Just before resigning, ex-US ambassador wanted UNMIK gone

Its no wonder Haley is leaving. Her incompetence was legendary. Fancy threatening countries she will be taking down names of all those who vote contrary to the US to move the embassy to Jerusalem by saying "The president will be watching this vote carefully and has requested I report back on those who voted against us". I have found in life its always the lacklustre that end up making threats.

I await the next Washington-appointed buffoon to the UN. As I said before Rex Tillerson was a first class diplomat while the rest, you just shake you head.

It's funny how some people believe NATO won the war. If that was the case, why did it then agree to UNSCR1244? Why was the UN deployed. This is evidence that it didn't defeat Serbia and it's now trying to wiggle its way out of the agreement. Serbia is a thorn in the side the West and that's the way it will stay. We've held on and it's nice to see our friends, who have stood shoulder to shoulder with us, getting stronger and stronger. There is a light at the end of this tunnel and it's getting brighter. Everyone knows it.

Let's get this she resigns on day of this letter.... Clearly she knew none of her words at this point have any validity nor credibility. Moreover what does the head of UN say - for UN Kosova*** is not a state.

(sj, 17 October 2018 13:58
It doesn't matter if US likes us or not, what it matters is US hates you. If US wants they can stop Serbia from joining EU also. They're powerful 😂

Look people why USA will always have special place on Kosovars Hearts,With all they have USA want us to succeed and do better they don’t just support Kosovo and it’s people with UN and other organisations but they support locally and they have been doing for so long now building peace between communities,building schools,investing with all they efforts to bring peace and stability in the region.PLEASE PLEASE GOD BLESS USA PLEASE BLESS USA.Why we don’t get on with Russians and Serbs they not just Tried to wipe us from this world and done worst crime against us during the war but they have continued to date today and with all support they have investing millions just to stop Kosovo and it’s people doing better,How we can live together again,even if they were our father or mother we wouldn’t still live together after all this.One thing for sure never never never ever again under one state or together with Serbia and its mother Russia that always hides itself with words called Serbia.

(The Truth, 17 October 2018 12:42)

The US does not care about Albanians at all. You are a useful to them now and the only reason they came on your side is because they tried, and failed, to stop Russian influence in the Balkans.
If they loved Albanians so much what have they done for you? Given you a country? No, its a status quo problem where you can’t move forward or backward
New Your Times article Feb 2018:
Albanian: “I swear to God, if it wasn’t for all those who have laid down their lives for this, I would say let’s go back to the way it was before,” one man told me. “We had a better life then; we had more opportunities.”
“For as long as we are stuck in this ghetto, we will have problems,” Arben Berisha, the chairman of the Arsenal supporters club in Kosovo.
What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait.

@ Zoran

"It's funny how some people believe NATO won the war."

The bombing stopped, not because of any resistance from the armed forces in Serbia, but because NATO countries had accomplished their goals.

"If that was the case, why did it then agree to UNSCR1244?"

NATO set the parameters. UNSCR1244 was compatible with their aims.

"Why was the UN deployed. This is evidence that it didn't defeat Serbia and it's now trying to wiggle its way out of the agreement."

To help keep peace between two groups that we just trying to kill each other.

"Serbia is a thorn in the side the West and that's the way it will stay."

I never heard or felt anything like that before.

"We've held on and it's nice to see our friends, who have stood shoulder to shoulder with us, getting stronger and stronger. There is a light at the end of this tunnel and it's getting brighter. Everyone knows it."

Honesty is a prerequisite to things getting brighter. I don't see much of that in your post.

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia!
(JS, 17 October 2018 16:18)

@ js - yes, especially those Srbs, but all Srbs can wait.
With Srbija moving forward the most of ALL East Europe, give me a reason why it can't wait??

js - at the end of the day, whoever you feel "won" this aggression by NATO, everybody lost, including NATO...they lost face because this "kosovaaaa" project wasn't a "slam duck" like they thought it would be....today, whatever you think about being independent, half of the world doesn't agree with you, whether out of "fear" for own issues or love of Srbija, doesn't matter.
You can't just be "independent" because you say or feel you are, there are international guidelines...
Soon NATO will beg for a way to duck out of this mess...one way or another!

And instead, UNMIK remains, Nikki Haley is gone, and Kosovo lost another recognition. Oops.

The level of licking is approaching Monika's but unfortunately Im not Bill Clinton..Nimrata Nimrata Nimrata, does Niki Halja knows her last name means bathroom in eagles language?
(Skenderbeu 1444, 17 October 2018 14:22)

The only hale in this side it’s you, and it’s nevojtore so you know and not to pretend...

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia!

Take off that miserable ridiculous statue to a certified sexual maniac and then we can talk where and who is the real hale.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 17 October 2018 15:47)

Will you then put your real name viç o viç?
Mass rapers and mass murders complain about a statue of Bill Clinton and calling him rapist?

Hey, watcher!

"With Srbija moving forward the most of ALL East Europe, give me a reason why it can't wait??"

I have noticed notable investments. For example, near Niš a few factories opened or will open soon. But it's still challenging to export to the EU (which offer us the best prospects). Don't you agree?

"js - at the end of the day, whoever you feel "won" this aggression by NATO, everybody lost, including NATO...they lost face because this "kosovaaaa" project wasn't a "slam duck" like they thought it would be...."

I think you are overstating what NATO was hoping to accomplish with the bombing campaign.

"today, whatever you think about being independent, half of the world doesn't agree with you, whether out of "fear" for own issues or love of Srbija, doesn't matter.
You can't just be "independent" because you say or feel you are, there are international guidelines..."

True. This is political reality.

"Soon NATO will beg for a way to duck out of this mess...one way or another!"

I think you are overstating your case. Why can't NATO wait as long as we can?

It doesn't matter if US likes us or not, what it matters is US hates you. If US wants they can stop Serbia from joining EU also. They're powerful 😂
(Avni, 17 October 2018 17:42)

Man, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one. I'd almost ask the moderator to delete your post just to save you the embarrassment of looking like a fool for writing that and let you start again with something more witty.

What really matters is that the US hates Serbia? Serbia is far too unimportant for the US to hate. Serbs, Albanians, basically the entire Balkans are put in America's "Meh, whatever" pile. They don't see you as friends, and they don't see Serbs as enemies.

You people fell in love with America and America fell asleep.

And when does the US have any say in what happens in the EU? Last I checked they weren't a member, and under America's current Mad King, I can't really imagine him really getting involved in EU affairs.

Seriously, Albanians can't even troll well anymore... :)

Sve to samo pokazuje koliko su srpski rezim i njegove institucije nesposobne. Na svakom koraku dozivljavaju poraze, a onda samo kukumacu na svakodnevnim konferencijama za stampu. Kad lider prizna da je njegova politika o Kosovu dozivela fijasko i dalje ostane na funkciji sta reci o takvom politicaru. Hajde sklonite se ako nista bolje ne umete...narod je vec umoran od vasih poraza i laznih pobeda.(Fenomen, 17. oktobar 2018 10:58)

Mass rapers [sic] and mass murders complain about a statue of Bill Clinton and calling him rapist?
(Dibran Basha, 17 October 2018 16:39)

Really? Albanians finally started to complain that the Clinton statue is in homage to a rapist? Took you long enough. I just simply assume when you mean "mass rapists" and "Balkans" you obviously mean Albanians, right? Everyone here in Europe automatically equates the two terms with Albanians. That and drug dealers, car thieves, and women traffickers, and greaseball gangsters. You definitely deserve that statue to Clinton.

True. This is political reality.

"Soon NATO will beg for a way to duck out of this mess...one way or another!"

I think you are overstating your case. Why can't NATO wait as long as we can?
(JS, 17 October 2018 18:15)

@ js - They can...as a matter of fact, it's in their best interest to wait, along with BG, as long as their economy is moving forward at this rate!
it's the common "Kosovar" that cannot wait! "frozen Conflict" means even tougher life, that's why so many want out!

The level of licking is approaching Monika's but unfortunately Im not Bill Clinton..Nimrata Nimrata Nimrata, does Niki Halja knows her last name means bathroom in eagles language?

Take off that miserable ridiculous statue to a certified sexual maniac and then we can talk where and who is the real hale.

(JS, 18 October 2018 12:25)

I’m not sure which decade you live in, but the EU and Serbia have signed several trade agreements and I’m not talking about tomatoes or watermelons, which Serbia does not grow sufficient quantities, so they import those from Macedonia.
You definitely do not live in Serbia otherwise you would know what Serbia has signed.

The only place you are travelling to is the social security office in Chicago.

Rapist??? Who talked about rapists??? I envy Kllintonin Oh Monika faster Monika, faster Monika, oh Monika oh my jewish Monika, faster Monika, is coming Monikaaaaaa!!! Kosovaaaaaa's indipindent Monikaaaaaaaa!!!!!

what is she talking about!?! There has been no success just total failure. Only thing to do is total partition and removing north Kosovo from kosovo

(JS, 18 October 2018 10:17)

No its not difficult at all. The EU has trade agreements with Serbia which allow Serbian companies to sell their products in the EU provided there is a market for them.
For example, two companies that sell their products in the EU are Forma Ideale manufactures of cheap furniture and Srce Sweets both from Kragujevac. There are others such as manufacturers of kit homes etc.
I found many people in Serbia are switched on to how the world works, but you exhibit all the signs of someone who lives in the US and you claim you live in Serbia.

@ sj

"I don’t live in Serbia and neither do you"

Who are you trying to convince? You remind me of the Canaanites. No matter how many times they bowed the knee to Baal, the false god did not come to life or do anything for them. You can repeat an untruth until you are red in the face but it won't make it true. Whether you like it or not, I live in Serbia and you don't.

I would (once again) send greetings from Serbia but I am traveling at the moment.

Not being part of the EU, it is much more difficult for Serbs to export to Germany or France than other EU member States to sell there. That's the point, and there is nothing controversial about it.
(JS, 18 October 2018 12:25)
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Who says Serbia would be given the green light to export that or anything else if it joins EU?
Serbia might just be forced to import inferior cr@ap from other member states.

(JS, 18 October 2018 11:30)

What are you talking about? What argument is that? You asked a question.
“The factories are beneficial, no doubt about that. I should have separated paragraphs because the problematic part is Serbian companies, especially farmers trying to export finished products to the EU. Its difficult business. It isn't like manufacturing in Ohio and selling the finished product in Michigan.”
I gave you the answer so what argument is that?. What have you been drinking?

Its more like you are the petulant child when someone shows you up that have no idea what you are talking about.

I don’t live in Serbia and neither do you

(sj, 18 October 2018 14:19)

If you lived here, you would know there is a massive overabundance of fruits and vegetables. In season, the markets are packed full. In fact, massively overstocked is the most accurate description.

This summer we were buying paprika for as little as 6rsd; watermelon for as little as 10rsd per kilo; and tomatoes for as little as 20rsd per kilo.

Oh, yes, this nonsense about buying watermelon from Macedonia because we don't produce enough. While our markets are overloaded with them in season.

Oh yeah, and those truckloads of tomatoes that the Vlasotince threw in the river last year, was that in protest because of high prices because too many of the farmers were exporting their tomatoes to EU countries?

If it makes you happy, just keep sitting there in your office chair in Australia showing yourself to be completely ignorant about real life in Serbia. We are enjoying every laugh!

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia!
(JS, 17 October 2018 16:18)

Yes Ramush. Ps what’s the weather like in Chicago?

(JS, 17 October 2018 18:15)
I have noticed notable investments. For example, near Niš a few factories opened or will open soon. But it's still challenging to export to the EU (which offer us the best prospects). Don't you agree?

Ramush, where were you educated? These new factories are not owned by the Serbian Government, but by EU companies. They opened for business in Serbia because of favourable investment conditions to them and they will bring some of those finished products back to the EU and sell them while others will be sold outside the EU. How does that prove problematic?

"How does that prove problematic?"

The factories are beneficial, no doubt about that. I should have separated paragraphs because the problematic part is Serbian companies, especially farmers trying to export finished products to the EU. Its difficult business. It isn't like manufacturing in Ohio and selling the finished product in Michigan.

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia! :)

"I found many people in Serbia are switched on to how the world works, but you exhibit all the signs of someone who lives in the US and you claim you live in Serbia."

When you lose an argument you often try to turn it back on the person who just made you look stupid. Signs of desperation all around! Reminds me so much of a child throwing a temper tantrum.

Just to remind you....its easy to wait for people (like you) who don't live in Serbia!

@ sj

You can't just build furniture and drive it to Ljubljana and put it in a store to sell. You can't raise some tomatoes and watermelon and just drive them to Hungary and sell them in a Budapest market.

Not being part of the EU, it is much more difficult for Serbs to export to Germany or France than other EU member States to sell there. That's the point, and there is nothing controversial about it.

(JS, 18 October 2018 16:16)

The problem with people like you, fictive Serb, is they think they are smart, but it’s the extreme opposite.
It matters little what they charge at the local markets but where they source the produce and long gone are those days were the producer would turn up to sell his/her produce at the local market except for cheese and clotted cream. That is still mostly done by people in villages.
The problem is further exacerbated by the fact that the young don’t stay in villages, so the only farmers left are old and near pension age. Its only in the last year and a half Serbia started to offer some assistance to young staying in villages.
Serbia imports from Macedonia fruits, nuts, citrus, melons and vegetables aka fresh and canned – some years more some less depending on conditions in Serbia. It also imports steel, raw iron and plastics. Since you live in Serbia next time you are in Belgrade pop in at the Ministry of Finance corner of Knez Milos and Nemaninja streets and ask them what goods Serbia imports from Macedonia.
The only thing you could laugh at is your lack of awareness despite living in “Serbia”. As I said you display all the hallmarks of schooling in the US – amazing LOL.
Ps I saw a program on RTS recently on this very subject and they were quoting similar prices for fruit and vegetables and talking about the overabundance of these items.

"It matters little what they charge at the local markets but where they source the produce and long gone are those days were the producer would turn up to sell his/her produce at the local market except for cheese and clotted cream. That is still mostly done by people in villages."

Very few Serbs buy their fruits and vegetables in supermarkets. 90% buy at local markets because the price is lower and quality is higher. You would have known that if you lived in Serbia.
(JS, 19 October 2018 12:09)

My little fictive Serb you are wigging out LOL. Who was talking about supermarkets? Why not read my post correctly. In fact, I mention local markets several times, but what the heck why let that get in the way of looking silly LOL.

@ sj

"Who was talking about supermarkets? Why not read my post correctly. In fact, I mention local markets several times..."

About the only folks buying abroad are supermarkets. So they're the only ones you could be referring to. You think the guys sitting in the open markets all around Serbia are importing from foreign countries; selling imported tomatoes for 40rsd/kg and watermelon for 20rsd/kg? You never pass up an opportunity to prove yourself completely clueless about Serbia (and economics), do you?

@ sj

"It matters little what they charge at the local markets but where they source the produce and long gone are those days were the producer would turn up to sell his/her produce at the local market except for cheese and clotted cream. That is still mostly done by people in villages."

Very few Serbs buy their fruits and vegetables in supermarkets. 90% buy at local markets because the price is lower and quality is higher. You would have known that if you lived in Serbia.

You never pass up an opportunity to prove yourself completely clueless about Serbia (and economics), do you?
(JS, 19 October 2018 18:39)

No offense - but both of you sound precisely like two Serbs, who decided to argue, how many angels can fit on the top of a needle.

(Honcho, 21 October 2018 08:20)

The hourly rate that would satisfy the criterion that working in the US is far better starts at $25 and up”. (sj, 20 August 2018 12:05)

That's an insane calculation considering that average household income in Serbia was only $2504 as of December 2017.

But even if sj's citation was true, average household income in the US was $57,000+. That's more than one person working full-time and earning $25/hr. So both parts of sj's claim are baseless.

But to see the logical incoherence of what he writes, note what he recently commented:

"The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism...the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive..."

We have been listening endlessly to his claim that Serbs have a standard of living that is equal to Americans but now all of a sudden he writes that Serbs are working for a pittance, just to survive.

The only thread that ties all of sj's statements together is his obsession and hatred for "the West." Facts are only used by him -- twisted and distorted -- to try to slam "the West," especially the US. That is why he writes contradictory statements depending on which type of argument he is crafting.

Overwhelmed by bitterness and living without respect for facts, love of truth, or logical coherence of his beliefs, there is no benefit to interacting with him.

I like how the New Testament says it: don't cast your pearls before swine!

Look people why USA will always have special place on Kosovars Hearts,With all they have USA want us to succeed and do better they don’t just support Kosovo and it’s people with UN and other organisations but they support locally and they have been doing for so long now building peace between communities,building schools,investing with all they efforts to bring peace and stability in the region.PLEASE PLEASE GOD BLESS USA PLEASE BLESS USA.Why we don’t get on with Russians and Serbs they not just Tried to wipe us from this world and done worst crime against us during the war but they have continued to date today and with all support they have investing millions just to stop Kosovo and it’s people doing better,How we can live together again,even if they were our father or mother we wouldn’t still live together after all this.One thing for sure never never never ever again under one state or together with Serbia and its mother Russia that always hides itself with words called Serbia.

Its no wonder Haley is leaving. Her incompetence was legendary. Fancy threatening countries she will be taking down names of all those who vote contrary to the US to move the embassy to Jerusalem by saying "The president will be watching this vote carefully and has requested I report back on those who voted against us". I have found in life its always the lacklustre that end up making threats.

I await the next Washington-appointed buffoon to the UN. As I said before Rex Tillerson was a first class diplomat while the rest, you just shake you head.

Mass rapers [sic] and mass murders complain about a statue of Bill Clinton and calling him rapist?
(Dibran Basha, 17 October 2018 16:39)

Really? Albanians finally started to complain that the Clinton statue is in homage to a rapist? Took you long enough. I just simply assume when you mean "mass rapists" and "Balkans" you obviously mean Albanians, right? Everyone here in Europe automatically equates the two terms with Albanians. That and drug dealers, car thieves, and women traffickers, and greaseball gangsters. You definitely deserve that statue to Clinton.

The level of licking is approaching Monika's but unfortunately Im not Bill Clinton..Nimrata Nimrata Nimrata, does Niki Halja knows her last name means bathroom in eagles language?

Rapist??? Who talked about rapists??? I envy Kllintonin Oh Monika faster Monika, faster Monika, oh Monika oh my jewish Monika, faster Monika, is coming Monikaaaaaa!!! Kosovaaaaaa's indipindent Monikaaaaaaaa!!!!!

And instead, UNMIK remains, Nikki Haley is gone, and Kosovo lost another recognition. Oops.

Take off that miserable ridiculous statue to a certified sexual maniac and then we can talk where and who is the real hale.

Take off that miserable ridiculous statue to a certified sexual maniac and then we can talk where and who is the real hale.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 17 October 2018 15:47)

Will you then put your real name viç o viç?
Mass rapers and mass murders complain about a statue of Bill Clinton and calling him rapist?

what is she talking about!?! There has been no success just total failure. Only thing to do is total partition and removing north Kosovo from kosovo

It's funny how some people believe NATO won the war. If that was the case, why did it then agree to UNSCR1244? Why was the UN deployed. This is evidence that it didn't defeat Serbia and it's now trying to wiggle its way out of the agreement. Serbia is a thorn in the side the West and that's the way it will stay. We've held on and it's nice to see our friends, who have stood shoulder to shoulder with us, getting stronger and stronger. There is a light at the end of this tunnel and it's getting brighter. Everyone knows it.

(The Truth, 17 October 2018 12:42)

The US does not care about Albanians at all. You are a useful to them now and the only reason they came on your side is because they tried, and failed, to stop Russian influence in the Balkans.
If they loved Albanians so much what have they done for you? Given you a country? No, its a status quo problem where you can’t move forward or backward
New Your Times article Feb 2018:
Albanian: “I swear to God, if it wasn’t for all those who have laid down their lives for this, I would say let’s go back to the way it was before,” one man told me. “We had a better life then; we had more opportunities.”
“For as long as we are stuck in this ghetto, we will have problems,” Arben Berisha, the chairman of the Arsenal supporters club in Kosovo.
What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait.

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia!
(JS, 17 October 2018 16:18)

@ js - yes, especially those Srbs, but all Srbs can wait.
With Srbija moving forward the most of ALL East Europe, give me a reason why it can't wait??

js - at the end of the day, whoever you feel "won" this aggression by NATO, everybody lost, including NATO...they lost face because this "kosovaaaa" project wasn't a "slam duck" like they thought it would be....today, whatever you think about being independent, half of the world doesn't agree with you, whether out of "fear" for own issues or love of Srbija, doesn't matter.
You can't just be "independent" because you say or feel you are, there are international guidelines...
Soon NATO will beg for a way to duck out of this mess...one way or another!

(sj, 17 October 2018 13:58
It doesn't matter if US likes us or not, what it matters is US hates you. If US wants they can stop Serbia from joining EU also. They're powerful 😂

True. This is political reality.

"Soon NATO will beg for a way to duck out of this mess...one way or another!"

I think you are overstating your case. Why can't NATO wait as long as we can?
(JS, 17 October 2018 18:15)

@ js - They can...as a matter of fact, it's in their best interest to wait, along with BG, as long as their economy is moving forward at this rate!
it's the common "Kosovar" that cannot wait! "frozen Conflict" means even tougher life, that's why so many want out!

Let's get this she resigns on day of this letter.... Clearly she knew none of her words at this point have any validity nor credibility. Moreover what does the head of UN say - for UN Kosova*** is not a state.

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia!

It doesn't matter if US likes us or not, what it matters is US hates you. If US wants they can stop Serbia from joining EU also. They're powerful 😂
(Avni, 17 October 2018 17:42)

Man, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one. I'd almost ask the moderator to delete your post just to save you the embarrassment of looking like a fool for writing that and let you start again with something more witty.

What really matters is that the US hates Serbia? Serbia is far too unimportant for the US to hate. Serbs, Albanians, basically the entire Balkans are put in America's "Meh, whatever" pile. They don't see you as friends, and they don't see Serbs as enemies.

You people fell in love with America and America fell asleep.

And when does the US have any say in what happens in the EU? Last I checked they weren't a member, and under America's current Mad King, I can't really imagine him really getting involved in EU affairs.

Seriously, Albanians can't even troll well anymore... :)

@ Zoran

"It's funny how some people believe NATO won the war."

The bombing stopped, not because of any resistance from the armed forces in Serbia, but because NATO countries had accomplished their goals.

"If that was the case, why did it then agree to UNSCR1244?"

NATO set the parameters. UNSCR1244 was compatible with their aims.

"Why was the UN deployed. This is evidence that it didn't defeat Serbia and it's now trying to wiggle its way out of the agreement."

To help keep peace between two groups that we just trying to kill each other.

"Serbia is a thorn in the side the West and that's the way it will stay."

I never heard or felt anything like that before.

"We've held on and it's nice to see our friends, who have stood shoulder to shoulder with us, getting stronger and stronger. There is a light at the end of this tunnel and it's getting brighter. Everyone knows it."

Honesty is a prerequisite to things getting brighter. I don't see much of that in your post.

The level of licking is approaching Monika's but unfortunately Im not Bill Clinton..Nimrata Nimrata Nimrata, does Niki Halja knows her last name means bathroom in eagles language?
(Skenderbeu 1444, 17 October 2018 14:22)

The only hale in this side it’s you, and it’s nevojtore so you know and not to pretend...

Sve to samo pokazuje koliko su srpski rezim i njegove institucije nesposobne. Na svakom koraku dozivljavaju poraze, a onda samo kukumacu na svakodnevnim konferencijama za stampu. Kad lider prizna da je njegova politika o Kosovu dozivela fijasko i dalje ostane na funkciji sta reci o takvom politicaru. Hajde sklonite se ako nista bolje ne umete...narod je vec umoran od vasih poraza i laznih pobeda.(Fenomen, 17. oktobar 2018 10:58)

Hey, watcher!

"With Srbija moving forward the most of ALL East Europe, give me a reason why it can't wait??"

I have noticed notable investments. For example, near Niš a few factories opened or will open soon. But it's still challenging to export to the EU (which offer us the best prospects). Don't you agree?

"js - at the end of the day, whoever you feel "won" this aggression by NATO, everybody lost, including NATO...they lost face because this "kosovaaaa" project wasn't a "slam duck" like they thought it would be...."

I think you are overstating what NATO was hoping to accomplish with the bombing campaign.

"today, whatever you think about being independent, half of the world doesn't agree with you, whether out of "fear" for own issues or love of Srbija, doesn't matter.
You can't just be "independent" because you say or feel you are, there are international guidelines..."

True. This is political reality.

"Soon NATO will beg for a way to duck out of this mess...one way or another!"

I think you are overstating your case. Why can't NATO wait as long as we can?

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia! :)

(JS, 18 October 2018 12:25)

I’m not sure which decade you live in, but the EU and Serbia have signed several trade agreements and I’m not talking about tomatoes or watermelons, which Serbia does not grow sufficient quantities, so they import those from Macedonia.
You definitely do not live in Serbia otherwise you would know what Serbia has signed.

The only place you are travelling to is the social security office in Chicago.

(sj, 18 October 2018 14:19)

If you lived here, you would know there is a massive overabundance of fruits and vegetables. In season, the markets are packed full. In fact, massively overstocked is the most accurate description.

This summer we were buying paprika for as little as 6rsd; watermelon for as little as 10rsd per kilo; and tomatoes for as little as 20rsd per kilo.

Oh, yes, this nonsense about buying watermelon from Macedonia because we don't produce enough. While our markets are overloaded with them in season.

Oh yeah, and those truckloads of tomatoes that the Vlasotince threw in the river last year, was that in protest because of high prices because too many of the farmers were exporting their tomatoes to EU countries?

If it makes you happy, just keep sitting there in your office chair in Australia showing yourself to be completely ignorant about real life in Serbia. We are enjoying every laugh!

(JS, 18 October 2018 10:17)

No its not difficult at all. The EU has trade agreements with Serbia which allow Serbian companies to sell their products in the EU provided there is a market for them.
For example, two companies that sell their products in the EU are Forma Ideale manufactures of cheap furniture and Srce Sweets both from Kragujevac. There are others such as manufacturers of kit homes etc.
I found many people in Serbia are switched on to how the world works, but you exhibit all the signs of someone who lives in the US and you claim you live in Serbia.

"I found many people in Serbia are switched on to how the world works, but you exhibit all the signs of someone who lives in the US and you claim you live in Serbia."

When you lose an argument you often try to turn it back on the person who just made you look stupid. Signs of desperation all around! Reminds me so much of a child throwing a temper tantrum.

Just to remind you....its easy to wait for people (like you) who don't live in Serbia!

@ sj

"I don’t live in Serbia and neither do you"

Who are you trying to convince? You remind me of the Canaanites. No matter how many times they bowed the knee to Baal, the false god did not come to life or do anything for them. You can repeat an untruth until you are red in the face but it won't make it true. Whether you like it or not, I live in Serbia and you don't.

I would (once again) send greetings from Serbia but I am traveling at the moment.

(JS, 18 October 2018 16:16)

The problem with people like you, fictive Serb, is they think they are smart, but it’s the extreme opposite.
It matters little what they charge at the local markets but where they source the produce and long gone are those days were the producer would turn up to sell his/her produce at the local market except for cheese and clotted cream. That is still mostly done by people in villages.
The problem is further exacerbated by the fact that the young don’t stay in villages, so the only farmers left are old and near pension age. Its only in the last year and a half Serbia started to offer some assistance to young staying in villages.
Serbia imports from Macedonia fruits, nuts, citrus, melons and vegetables aka fresh and canned – some years more some less depending on conditions in Serbia. It also imports steel, raw iron and plastics. Since you live in Serbia next time you are in Belgrade pop in at the Ministry of Finance corner of Knez Milos and Nemaninja streets and ask them what goods Serbia imports from Macedonia.
The only thing you could laugh at is your lack of awareness despite living in “Serbia”. As I said you display all the hallmarks of schooling in the US – amazing LOL.
Ps I saw a program on RTS recently on this very subject and they were quoting similar prices for fruit and vegetables and talking about the overabundance of these items.

"How does that prove problematic?"

The factories are beneficial, no doubt about that. I should have separated paragraphs because the problematic part is Serbian companies, especially farmers trying to export finished products to the EU. Its difficult business. It isn't like manufacturing in Ohio and selling the finished product in Michigan.

(JS, 18 October 2018 11:30)

What are you talking about? What argument is that? You asked a question.
“The factories are beneficial, no doubt about that. I should have separated paragraphs because the problematic part is Serbian companies, especially farmers trying to export finished products to the EU. Its difficult business. It isn't like manufacturing in Ohio and selling the finished product in Michigan.”
I gave you the answer so what argument is that?. What have you been drinking?

Its more like you are the petulant child when someone shows you up that have no idea what you are talking about.

I don’t live in Serbia and neither do you

@ sj

You can't just build furniture and drive it to Ljubljana and put it in a store to sell. You can't raise some tomatoes and watermelon and just drive them to Hungary and sell them in a Budapest market.

Not being part of the EU, it is much more difficult for Serbs to export to Germany or France than other EU member States to sell there. That's the point, and there is nothing controversial about it.

"What you don’t get is that Serbs can wait."

Especially the ones that don't live in Serbia!
(JS, 17 October 2018 16:18)

Yes Ramush. Ps what’s the weather like in Chicago?

Not being part of the EU, it is much more difficult for Serbs to export to Germany or France than other EU member States to sell there. That's the point, and there is nothing controversial about it.
(JS, 18 October 2018 12:25)
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Who says Serbia would be given the green light to export that or anything else if it joins EU?
Serbia might just be forced to import inferior cr@ap from other member states.

@ sj

"It matters little what they charge at the local markets but where they source the produce and long gone are those days were the producer would turn up to sell his/her produce at the local market except for cheese and clotted cream. That is still mostly done by people in villages."

Very few Serbs buy their fruits and vegetables in supermarkets. 90% buy at local markets because the price is lower and quality is higher. You would have known that if you lived in Serbia.

"It matters little what they charge at the local markets but where they source the produce and long gone are those days were the producer would turn up to sell his/her produce at the local market except for cheese and clotted cream. That is still mostly done by people in villages."

Very few Serbs buy their fruits and vegetables in supermarkets. 90% buy at local markets because the price is lower and quality is higher. You would have known that if you lived in Serbia.
(JS, 19 October 2018 12:09)

My little fictive Serb you are wigging out LOL. Who was talking about supermarkets? Why not read my post correctly. In fact, I mention local markets several times, but what the heck why let that get in the way of looking silly LOL.

@ sj

"Who was talking about supermarkets? Why not read my post correctly. In fact, I mention local markets several times..."

About the only folks buying abroad are supermarkets. So they're the only ones you could be referring to. You think the guys sitting in the open markets all around Serbia are importing from foreign countries; selling imported tomatoes for 40rsd/kg and watermelon for 20rsd/kg? You never pass up an opportunity to prove yourself completely clueless about Serbia (and economics), do you?

(JS, 17 October 2018 18:15)
I have noticed notable investments. For example, near Niš a few factories opened or will open soon. But it's still challenging to export to the EU (which offer us the best prospects). Don't you agree?

Ramush, where were you educated? These new factories are not owned by the Serbian Government, but by EU companies. They opened for business in Serbia because of favourable investment conditions to them and they will bring some of those finished products back to the EU and sell them while others will be sold outside the EU. How does that prove problematic?

You never pass up an opportunity to prove yourself completely clueless about Serbia (and economics), do you?
(JS, 19 October 2018 18:39)

No offense - but both of you sound precisely like two Serbs, who decided to argue, how many angels can fit on the top of a needle.

(Honcho, 21 October 2018 08:20)

The hourly rate that would satisfy the criterion that working in the US is far better starts at $25 and up”. (sj, 20 August 2018 12:05)

That's an insane calculation considering that average household income in Serbia was only $2504 as of December 2017.

But even if sj's citation was true, average household income in the US was $57,000+. That's more than one person working full-time and earning $25/hr. So both parts of sj's claim are baseless.

But to see the logical incoherence of what he writes, note what he recently commented:

"The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism...the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive..."

We have been listening endlessly to his claim that Serbs have a standard of living that is equal to Americans but now all of a sudden he writes that Serbs are working for a pittance, just to survive.

The only thread that ties all of sj's statements together is his obsession and hatred for "the West." Facts are only used by him -- twisted and distorted -- to try to slam "the West," especially the US. That is why he writes contradictory statements depending on which type of argument he is crafting.

Overwhelmed by bitterness and living without respect for facts, love of truth, or logical coherence of his beliefs, there is no benefit to interacting with him.

I like how the New Testament says it: don't cast your pearls before swine!