Serbs don't like NATO; NATO chief regrets innocent victims
Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that <a href="https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2017&mm=03&dd=24&nav_id=100847" class="text-link" target= "_blank">NATO's bombing of Serbia</a> "and the events in Kosovo" are the main reasons for "the very low popularity of NATO in Serbia."
"Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people."
Ethnically, I am Serb. But I don't defend "Serbs" or any other ethnicity because all ethnicities are socially constructed.
"You do too, you're just a hypocrite who's hiding behind the Bible. So, I'm not speaking from both sides of my mouth."
That's a logical fallacy. Even if I would be guilty of speaking out of both sides of my mouth, that doesn't make you innocent.
"You are."
I have never voted and never participated in the military. So how could I be guilty of "advancing my people's interests"?
"I've never hid behind the scriptures."
What am I hiding from?
"You on the other hand have clearly taken sides even though you have tried to hide that fact."
You and sj think so. But you push everyone into fixed ethnic and nation-state categories which not every recognizes or lives by. Please don't force your ignorance on those of us who try to live beyond them.
"Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people."
The problem is that you link morality to brute political force. When NATO defends their interest using influence or force, you condemn them as morally bankrupt. But when Serbia or Russia does that, you laud it as revealing their strong moral fiber. That's the crux of the issue. Quit acting like you are morally superior when in fact you are as earthly as NATO.
For people like you, I don't understand why you object to NATO so much. You have the exact same logic as they. You are in love with Russian military support but hate it when NATO pursues it's best interests. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
(JS, 9 October 2018 12:55)
=========================
Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people. You do too, you're just a hypocrite who's hiding behind the Bible. So, I'm not speaking from both sides of my mouth. You are.
I don't apologise for taking sides and I've never hid behind the scriptures.
You on the other hand have clearly taken sides even though you have tried to hide that fact.
I guess you are right. The missing are really not missing. And the rapes of women did not took place, And the displacement (under the point of gun) simply did not happened.
I just wonder whose corpses were those filling the mass graves over all Serbia.
In order to remind you my dear friend we are not living 1990' anymore. Open your eyes. And since you are there open your ears too, and your mind if you can...
For all of you Serbs that hate NATO, how come you tolerate these joint exercises? How come the leader you elected promotes them? Why do you continue to re-elect the same people who support these joint exercises?
My little fake Serb its people like you that don’t understand anything in this life – too much US TV.
No one ever asks the citizens. They just go to war.
I understand NATO only too well but it’s you that has no clues what’s going on.
Try reading the entire comment: "...But for people who pursue kingdoms on this earth, then someone needs to, not?"
I was saying that from my perspective, we should not try to solve problems militarily. But for people who build kingdoms in this world, they will make these types of engagements. And I can understand why they want to deal with problematic leaders by force.
For people like you, I don't understand why you object to NATO so much. You have the exact same logic as they. You are in love with Russian military support but hate it when NATO pursues it's best interests. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
Bill Clinton,Tony Blair,Havier Solana and some others are directly responsible for Nato bombing of Serbia,they should be always on alert because hand of Justice is out there somewhere and nobody knows when they gonna be punished.
Jens stay away from Serbia,your not welcome,go visit your satanist friends instead.
Stoltenberg spent more than a day in Serbia while he doesn’t spend more than 3 hours in Kosovo or Croatia, so I’d say NATO cares. As far as NATO war games well that only involved some 45,000 troops mostly from the former eastern bloc countries since the US does not have combat ready troops due to cut backs. Croatia sent about 150 troops to scare the Russians.
During these exercises its always the time to bring out your latest equipment, but there was nothing new in NATO’s arsenal on the field. Meanwhile Russia held its own exercise with 350,000 troops plus some from Mongolia and China and most of the equipment used was new such as the S400 and latest tank T14.
But if you think NATO has strength why does it not kick the Russians out of Crimea or Syria LOL.
What? Have you run out of steam oh fictive Serb and devolved to biblical quotes? You know what they say one of the last hiding places of a scoundrel is either politics or in your case religion LOL.
Serbs don’t like NATO, however, NATO doesn’t give a #$^&@ what Serbs think.
Furthermore, NATO doesn’t care what Russia thinks. If you haven’t noticed, NATO indicated what they think about Russia by inviting Putin and his Generals to watch, as spectators, the largest NATO war games in many years.
@ rebeli what the hell is a kosovar! Are you albanians that ignorant! Your albanian period! And those 3000 missing abanians are probably hiding in plain sight cause of fear prosecution from the war crimes they committed! Worst case scenario they are dead! Thats what happens when you raise arms in a country that you had no right to do so! Its called war not every death associated with war can or is classed as a war crime! Grow up!!!
It would be better if NATO would be less engaged abroad (militarily). But then the question remains: Who will deal with destructive leaders?
====================
Hey JS, it sounds like you do condone military intervention when you agree with who it's directed against.
So much for your Bible gibberish you use when you don't like answering direct questions with direct answers.
Some Serbs blame the stupidity of Milosevic.
(Bob, 8 October 2018 15:21)
===========================
Not the smart Serbs who know exactly why the bombing happened.
If Milosevic gave them what they wanted he would've been a traitor.
You do know what they wanted? Don't you?
I guess not.
Serbs don't like NATO, but like living in NATO countries. What else can one say?
(Avni, 8 October 2018 18:41)
===================
Albanians don't like Serbs but like Serbian hospitals and forests. What else can one say?
BTW, not everyone living in NATO countries like and approve of NATO, even the natives. Get some reality into your life.
If Serbs didn’t love NATO no one from NATO would be in Serbia right now. The fact is serbs love NATO tremendously. That’s why Serbian military does exercises with NATO all the time.
Shame on you Jens Stontelberg.
Did Aleksander Vucic (than Minsiter of Propoganda for Milloshevis) ever apologized for innocent Kosovars who lost their life from the Serbs military and paramilitary forces??
What about the women rapes...., ethnic cleansing....... or the 3000 Kosovars still missing.., Did he ever apologized for those too???
Tell me something, Would you have apologized if the Serbian had done these to the Norwegians?
So shame on you Jens Stoltenberg.
It would be better if NATO would be less engaged abroad (militarily). But then the question remains: Who will deal with destructive leaders? I leave the judgment to God. But for people who pursue kingdoms on this earth, then someone needs to, not?
I suggest you take the matter of Serb apologies up with Vucic who was on Milosevic team after all. But has Thaci apologized for the KLA killing of Serbs, moderate Albanians and other minorities?
Milosevic and KLA killing civilians is one thing but then you have an organization that uses "humanitarian intervention" (which is not a legitimate reason for war and their intervention was not in accordance with their own regulations, let alone sanctioned by the UNSC) as a reason to go to war. They supposedly wanted to stop the killing of civilians by.....killing civilians. And they did that over again on an even much larger scale in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
Jens is the personification of NATO, cheap and spineless.
Spineless, because if they were serious about saving lives and actually believed all the propaganda they were spouting, then invading Serbia from Hungary with an army was the best solution. Instead, they took the easy option of flying above 10,000m and extending the war, the casualties and the consequences for all to see. NATO attacks.
Cheap, because their new headquarters - across the road from the old one (you pass it if you take the 12/21 bus to the airport from Brussels)- was built by low cost Bulgarian labor, and even then the NATO partners squealed about the price. Security on the cheap, is cheap!
Here is a message for Jens and for NATO from all real Serbs:
You baby killers have proven to be war criminals who have spread lies and hate against Serbians, you have illegally bombed Serbia for 78 days (a war crime), and have attacked countless civilian targets, you are responsible for the deaths of innocent Serbian civilians, including children. You are not welcome to Serbia, you will never be welcome to Serbia. So stay the f%73 out of Serbia, we are not, and never will be, your slaves like so many of our neighbours are. Kindly F%&# O%$.
He should say these apologies face to face to the families of the civilians killed by NATO. If he has the guts to do that.
Then he has the nerve to say that the actions were conducted to protect civilians. Some 1700 civilians were killed at least in 1999 and civilian objects were specifically targeted when NATO found out they were not very successful in hitting military targets.
I find it very cynical that NATO is using an exercise on civil protection in order to improve their image. They did not care about civil protection in 1999 when they specifically targeted civilian objects and infrastructure.
(Joe A, 8 October 2018 13:10)
LMAO 🤣
HOW ABOUT ALL THE KOSOVA CITIZENS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD BY
SLOBO MILOSEVICH WITH HIS SERBIAN STATE SPONSORED KILLING MACHINE! WERE IS THAT APOLOGY AT JOE?
WHAT SERBIA RECEIVED FROM NATO WAS JUST AND SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED UNTIL THE COMPLETE FALL OF RADICAL-SERBIA!!!
MAYBE AND HOPEFULLY NATO AND ITS ALLIES WILL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE AT FINALLY BRINGING DOWN THE RADICAL SERBIAN STATE THAT STILL PLAQUES SOUTHEAST EUROPE!!!
Did Jens Stoltenberg recognize and regret that NATO bombed innocent civilians with Depleted Uranium or is he regretting that NATO/KFOR occupies SERBIA and has now opened Pandora's Box in Kosovo*
NATO are a bunch of muredering bullies that dicate the world today.
Serbia doesnt need to do an Emergency Drill with NATO
We Serbs will never trust your dirty world domination system.
He should say these apologies face to face to the families of the civilians killed by NATO. If he has the guts to do that.
Then he has the nerve to say that the actions were conducted to protect civilians. Some 1700 civilians were killed at least in 1999 and civilian objects were specifically targeted when NATO found out they were not very successful in hitting military targets.
I find it very cynical that NATO is using an exercise on civil protection in order to improve their image. They did not care about civil protection in 1999 when they specifically targeted civilian objects and infrastructure.
He should say these apologies face to face to the families of the civilians killed by NATO. If he has the guts to do that.
Then he has the nerve to say that the actions were conducted to protect civilians. Some 1700 civilians were killed at least in 1999 and civilian objects were specifically targeted when NATO found out they were not very successful in hitting military targets.
I find it very cynical that NATO is using an exercise on civil protection in order to improve their image. They did not care about civil protection in 1999 when they specifically targeted civilian objects and infrastructure.
Here is a message for Jens and for NATO from all real Serbs:
You baby killers have proven to be war criminals who have spread lies and hate against Serbians, you have illegally bombed Serbia for 78 days (a war crime), and have attacked countless civilian targets, you are responsible for the deaths of innocent Serbian civilians, including children. You are not welcome to Serbia, you will never be welcome to Serbia. So stay the f%73 out of Serbia, we are not, and never will be, your slaves like so many of our neighbours are. Kindly F%&# O%$.
Did Jens Stoltenberg recognize and regret that NATO bombed innocent civilians with Depleted Uranium or is he regretting that NATO/KFOR occupies SERBIA and has now opened Pandora's Box in Kosovo*
NATO are a bunch of muredering bullies that dicate the world today.
Serbia doesnt need to do an Emergency Drill with NATO
We Serbs will never trust your dirty world domination system.
I suggest you take the matter of Serb apologies up with Vucic who was on Milosevic team after all. But has Thaci apologized for the KLA killing of Serbs, moderate Albanians and other minorities?
Milosevic and KLA killing civilians is one thing but then you have an organization that uses "humanitarian intervention" (which is not a legitimate reason for war and their intervention was not in accordance with their own regulations, let alone sanctioned by the UNSC) as a reason to go to war. They supposedly wanted to stop the killing of civilians by.....killing civilians. And they did that over again on an even much larger scale in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
Jens is the personification of NATO, cheap and spineless.
Spineless, because if they were serious about saving lives and actually believed all the propaganda they were spouting, then invading Serbia from Hungary with an army was the best solution. Instead, they took the easy option of flying above 10,000m and extending the war, the casualties and the consequences for all to see. NATO attacks.
Cheap, because their new headquarters - across the road from the old one (you pass it if you take the 12/21 bus to the airport from Brussels)- was built by low cost Bulgarian labor, and even then the NATO partners squealed about the price. Security on the cheap, is cheap!
He should say these apologies face to face to the families of the civilians killed by NATO. If he has the guts to do that.
Then he has the nerve to say that the actions were conducted to protect civilians. Some 1700 civilians were killed at least in 1999 and civilian objects were specifically targeted when NATO found out they were not very successful in hitting military targets.
I find it very cynical that NATO is using an exercise on civil protection in order to improve their image. They did not care about civil protection in 1999 when they specifically targeted civilian objects and infrastructure.
(Joe A, 8 October 2018 13:10)
LMAO 🤣
HOW ABOUT ALL THE KOSOVA CITIZENS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD BY
SLOBO MILOSEVICH WITH HIS SERBIAN STATE SPONSORED KILLING MACHINE! WERE IS THAT APOLOGY AT JOE?
WHAT SERBIA RECEIVED FROM NATO WAS JUST AND SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED UNTIL THE COMPLETE FALL OF RADICAL-SERBIA!!!
MAYBE AND HOPEFULLY NATO AND ITS ALLIES WILL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE AT FINALLY BRINGING DOWN THE RADICAL SERBIAN STATE THAT STILL PLAQUES SOUTHEAST EUROPE!!!
It would be better if NATO would be less engaged abroad (militarily). But then the question remains: Who will deal with destructive leaders? I leave the judgment to God. But for people who pursue kingdoms on this earth, then someone needs to, not?
@ rebeli what the hell is a kosovar! Are you albanians that ignorant! Your albanian period! And those 3000 missing abanians are probably hiding in plain sight cause of fear prosecution from the war crimes they committed! Worst case scenario they are dead! Thats what happens when you raise arms in a country that you had no right to do so! Its called war not every death associated with war can or is classed as a war crime! Grow up!!!
Serbs don't like NATO, but like living in NATO countries. What else can one say?
(Avni, 8 October 2018 18:41)
===================
Albanians don't like Serbs but like Serbian hospitals and forests. What else can one say?
BTW, not everyone living in NATO countries like and approve of NATO, even the natives. Get some reality into your life.
For all of you Serbs that hate NATO, how come you tolerate these joint exercises? How come the leader you elected promotes them? Why do you continue to re-elect the same people who support these joint exercises?
Shame on you Jens Stontelberg.
Did Aleksander Vucic (than Minsiter of Propoganda for Milloshevis) ever apologized for innocent Kosovars who lost their life from the Serbs military and paramilitary forces??
What about the women rapes...., ethnic cleansing....... or the 3000 Kosovars still missing.., Did he ever apologized for those too???
Tell me something, Would you have apologized if the Serbian had done these to the Norwegians?
So shame on you Jens Stoltenberg.
Stoltenberg spent more than a day in Serbia while he doesn’t spend more than 3 hours in Kosovo or Croatia, so I’d say NATO cares. As far as NATO war games well that only involved some 45,000 troops mostly from the former eastern bloc countries since the US does not have combat ready troops due to cut backs. Croatia sent about 150 troops to scare the Russians.
During these exercises its always the time to bring out your latest equipment, but there was nothing new in NATO’s arsenal on the field. Meanwhile Russia held its own exercise with 350,000 troops plus some from Mongolia and China and most of the equipment used was new such as the S400 and latest tank T14.
But if you think NATO has strength why does it not kick the Russians out of Crimea or Syria LOL.
I guess you are right. The missing are really not missing. And the rapes of women did not took place, And the displacement (under the point of gun) simply did not happened.
I just wonder whose corpses were those filling the mass graves over all Serbia.
In order to remind you my dear friend we are not living 1990' anymore. Open your eyes. And since you are there open your ears too, and your mind if you can...
Some Serbs blame the stupidity of Milosevic.
(Bob, 8 October 2018 15:21)
===========================
Not the smart Serbs who know exactly why the bombing happened.
If Milosevic gave them what they wanted he would've been a traitor.
You do know what they wanted? Don't you?
I guess not.
What? Have you run out of steam oh fictive Serb and devolved to biblical quotes? You know what they say one of the last hiding places of a scoundrel is either politics or in your case religion LOL.
It would be better if NATO would be less engaged abroad (militarily). But then the question remains: Who will deal with destructive leaders?
====================
Hey JS, it sounds like you do condone military intervention when you agree with who it's directed against.
So much for your Bible gibberish you use when you don't like answering direct questions with direct answers.
Bill Clinton,Tony Blair,Havier Solana and some others are directly responsible for Nato bombing of Serbia,they should be always on alert because hand of Justice is out there somewhere and nobody knows when they gonna be punished.
Jens stay away from Serbia,your not welcome,go visit your satanist friends instead.
"Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people."
The problem is that you link morality to brute political force. When NATO defends their interest using influence or force, you condemn them as morally bankrupt. But when Serbia or Russia does that, you laud it as revealing their strong moral fiber. That's the crux of the issue. Quit acting like you are morally superior when in fact you are as earthly as NATO.
Serbs don’t like NATO, however, NATO doesn’t give a #$^&@ what Serbs think.
Furthermore, NATO doesn’t care what Russia thinks. If you haven’t noticed, NATO indicated what they think about Russia by inviting Putin and his Generals to watch, as spectators, the largest NATO war games in many years.
If Serbs didn’t love NATO no one from NATO would be in Serbia right now. The fact is serbs love NATO tremendously. That’s why Serbian military does exercises with NATO all the time.
Try reading the entire comment: "...But for people who pursue kingdoms on this earth, then someone needs to, not?"
I was saying that from my perspective, we should not try to solve problems militarily. But for people who build kingdoms in this world, they will make these types of engagements. And I can understand why they want to deal with problematic leaders by force.
For people like you, I don't understand why you object to NATO so much. You have the exact same logic as they. You are in love with Russian military support but hate it when NATO pursues it's best interests. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
My little fake Serb its people like you that don’t understand anything in this life – too much US TV.
No one ever asks the citizens. They just go to war.
I understand NATO only too well but it’s you that has no clues what’s going on.
For people like you, I don't understand why you object to NATO so much. You have the exact same logic as they. You are in love with Russian military support but hate it when NATO pursues it's best interests. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
(JS, 9 October 2018 12:55)
=========================
Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people. You do too, you're just a hypocrite who's hiding behind the Bible. So, I'm not speaking from both sides of my mouth. You are.
I don't apologise for taking sides and I've never hid behind the scriptures.
You on the other hand have clearly taken sides even though you have tried to hide that fact.
"Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people."
Ethnically, I am Serb. But I don't defend "Serbs" or any other ethnicity because all ethnicities are socially constructed.
"You do too, you're just a hypocrite who's hiding behind the Bible. So, I'm not speaking from both sides of my mouth."
That's a logical fallacy. Even if I would be guilty of speaking out of both sides of my mouth, that doesn't make you innocent.
"You are."
I have never voted and never participated in the military. So how could I be guilty of "advancing my people's interests"?
"I've never hid behind the scriptures."
What am I hiding from?
"You on the other hand have clearly taken sides even though you have tried to hide that fact."
You and sj think so. But you push everyone into fixed ethnic and nation-state categories which not every recognizes or lives by. Please don't force your ignorance on those of us who try to live beyond them.
He should say these apologies face to face to the families of the civilians killed by NATO. If he has the guts to do that.
Then he has the nerve to say that the actions were conducted to protect civilians. Some 1700 civilians were killed at least in 1999 and civilian objects were specifically targeted when NATO found out they were not very successful in hitting military targets.
I find it very cynical that NATO is using an exercise on civil protection in order to improve their image. They did not care about civil protection in 1999 when they specifically targeted civilian objects and infrastructure.
(Joe A, 8 October 2018 13:10)
LMAO 🤣
HOW ABOUT ALL THE KOSOVA CITIZENS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD BY
SLOBO MILOSEVICH WITH HIS SERBIAN STATE SPONSORED KILLING MACHINE! WERE IS THAT APOLOGY AT JOE?
WHAT SERBIA RECEIVED FROM NATO WAS JUST AND SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED UNTIL THE COMPLETE FALL OF RADICAL-SERBIA!!!
MAYBE AND HOPEFULLY NATO AND ITS ALLIES WILL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE AT FINALLY BRINGING DOWN THE RADICAL SERBIAN STATE THAT STILL PLAQUES SOUTHEAST EUROPE!!!
Shame on you Jens Stontelberg.
Did Aleksander Vucic (than Minsiter of Propoganda for Milloshevis) ever apologized for innocent Kosovars who lost their life from the Serbs military and paramilitary forces??
What about the women rapes...., ethnic cleansing....... or the 3000 Kosovars still missing.., Did he ever apologized for those too???
Tell me something, Would you have apologized if the Serbian had done these to the Norwegians?
So shame on you Jens Stoltenberg.
It would be better if NATO would be less engaged abroad (militarily). But then the question remains: Who will deal with destructive leaders? I leave the judgment to God. But for people who pursue kingdoms on this earth, then someone needs to, not?
Did Jens Stoltenberg recognize and regret that NATO bombed innocent civilians with Depleted Uranium or is he regretting that NATO/KFOR occupies SERBIA and has now opened Pandora's Box in Kosovo*
NATO are a bunch of muredering bullies that dicate the world today.
Serbia doesnt need to do an Emergency Drill with NATO
We Serbs will never trust your dirty world domination system.
He should say these apologies face to face to the families of the civilians killed by NATO. If he has the guts to do that.
Then he has the nerve to say that the actions were conducted to protect civilians. Some 1700 civilians were killed at least in 1999 and civilian objects were specifically targeted when NATO found out they were not very successful in hitting military targets.
I find it very cynical that NATO is using an exercise on civil protection in order to improve their image. They did not care about civil protection in 1999 when they specifically targeted civilian objects and infrastructure.
Here is a message for Jens and for NATO from all real Serbs:
You baby killers have proven to be war criminals who have spread lies and hate against Serbians, you have illegally bombed Serbia for 78 days (a war crime), and have attacked countless civilian targets, you are responsible for the deaths of innocent Serbian civilians, including children. You are not welcome to Serbia, you will never be welcome to Serbia. So stay the f%73 out of Serbia, we are not, and never will be, your slaves like so many of our neighbours are. Kindly F%&# O%$.
I suggest you take the matter of Serb apologies up with Vucic who was on Milosevic team after all. But has Thaci apologized for the KLA killing of Serbs, moderate Albanians and other minorities?
Milosevic and KLA killing civilians is one thing but then you have an organization that uses "humanitarian intervention" (which is not a legitimate reason for war and their intervention was not in accordance with their own regulations, let alone sanctioned by the UNSC) as a reason to go to war. They supposedly wanted to stop the killing of civilians by.....killing civilians. And they did that over again on an even much larger scale in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
Jens is the personification of NATO, cheap and spineless.
Spineless, because if they were serious about saving lives and actually believed all the propaganda they were spouting, then invading Serbia from Hungary with an army was the best solution. Instead, they took the easy option of flying above 10,000m and extending the war, the casualties and the consequences for all to see. NATO attacks.
Cheap, because their new headquarters - across the road from the old one (you pass it if you take the 12/21 bus to the airport from Brussels)- was built by low cost Bulgarian labor, and even then the NATO partners squealed about the price. Security on the cheap, is cheap!
If Serbs didn’t love NATO no one from NATO would be in Serbia right now. The fact is serbs love NATO tremendously. That’s why Serbian military does exercises with NATO all the time.
Serbs don’t like NATO, however, NATO doesn’t give a #$^&@ what Serbs think.
Furthermore, NATO doesn’t care what Russia thinks. If you haven’t noticed, NATO indicated what they think about Russia by inviting Putin and his Generals to watch, as spectators, the largest NATO war games in many years.
My little fake Serb its people like you that don’t understand anything in this life – too much US TV.
No one ever asks the citizens. They just go to war.
I understand NATO only too well but it’s you that has no clues what’s going on.
Some Serbs blame the stupidity of Milosevic.
(Bob, 8 October 2018 15:21)
===========================
Not the smart Serbs who know exactly why the bombing happened.
If Milosevic gave them what they wanted he would've been a traitor.
You do know what they wanted? Don't you?
I guess not.
@ rebeli what the hell is a kosovar! Are you albanians that ignorant! Your albanian period! And those 3000 missing abanians are probably hiding in plain sight cause of fear prosecution from the war crimes they committed! Worst case scenario they are dead! Thats what happens when you raise arms in a country that you had no right to do so! Its called war not every death associated with war can or is classed as a war crime! Grow up!!!
Stoltenberg spent more than a day in Serbia while he doesn’t spend more than 3 hours in Kosovo or Croatia, so I’d say NATO cares. As far as NATO war games well that only involved some 45,000 troops mostly from the former eastern bloc countries since the US does not have combat ready troops due to cut backs. Croatia sent about 150 troops to scare the Russians.
During these exercises its always the time to bring out your latest equipment, but there was nothing new in NATO’s arsenal on the field. Meanwhile Russia held its own exercise with 350,000 troops plus some from Mongolia and China and most of the equipment used was new such as the S400 and latest tank T14.
But if you think NATO has strength why does it not kick the Russians out of Crimea or Syria LOL.
For all of you Serbs that hate NATO, how come you tolerate these joint exercises? How come the leader you elected promotes them? Why do you continue to re-elect the same people who support these joint exercises?
Serbs don't like NATO, but like living in NATO countries. What else can one say?
(Avni, 8 October 2018 18:41)
===================
Albanians don't like Serbs but like Serbian hospitals and forests. What else can one say?
BTW, not everyone living in NATO countries like and approve of NATO, even the natives. Get some reality into your life.
It would be better if NATO would be less engaged abroad (militarily). But then the question remains: Who will deal with destructive leaders?
====================
Hey JS, it sounds like you do condone military intervention when you agree with who it's directed against.
So much for your Bible gibberish you use when you don't like answering direct questions with direct answers.
What? Have you run out of steam oh fictive Serb and devolved to biblical quotes? You know what they say one of the last hiding places of a scoundrel is either politics or in your case religion LOL.
I guess you are right. The missing are really not missing. And the rapes of women did not took place, And the displacement (under the point of gun) simply did not happened.
I just wonder whose corpses were those filling the mass graves over all Serbia.
In order to remind you my dear friend we are not living 1990' anymore. Open your eyes. And since you are there open your ears too, and your mind if you can...
For people like you, I don't understand why you object to NATO so much. You have the exact same logic as they. You are in love with Russian military support but hate it when NATO pursues it's best interests. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
(JS, 9 October 2018 12:55)
=========================
Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people. You do too, you're just a hypocrite who's hiding behind the Bible. So, I'm not speaking from both sides of my mouth. You are.
I don't apologise for taking sides and I've never hid behind the scriptures.
You on the other hand have clearly taken sides even though you have tried to hide that fact.
"Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people."
The problem is that you link morality to brute political force. When NATO defends their interest using influence or force, you condemn them as morally bankrupt. But when Serbia or Russia does that, you laud it as revealing their strong moral fiber. That's the crux of the issue. Quit acting like you are morally superior when in fact you are as earthly as NATO.
Try reading the entire comment: "...But for people who pursue kingdoms on this earth, then someone needs to, not?"
I was saying that from my perspective, we should not try to solve problems militarily. But for people who build kingdoms in this world, they will make these types of engagements. And I can understand why they want to deal with problematic leaders by force.
For people like you, I don't understand why you object to NATO so much. You have the exact same logic as they. You are in love with Russian military support but hate it when NATO pursues it's best interests. You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
Bill Clinton,Tony Blair,Havier Solana and some others are directly responsible for Nato bombing of Serbia,they should be always on alert because hand of Justice is out there somewhere and nobody knows when they gonna be punished.
Jens stay away from Serbia,your not welcome,go visit your satanist friends instead.
"Because we all take sides according to what's in the best interests of us and our people."
Ethnically, I am Serb. But I don't defend "Serbs" or any other ethnicity because all ethnicities are socially constructed.
"You do too, you're just a hypocrite who's hiding behind the Bible. So, I'm not speaking from both sides of my mouth."
That's a logical fallacy. Even if I would be guilty of speaking out of both sides of my mouth, that doesn't make you innocent.
"You are."
I have never voted and never participated in the military. So how could I be guilty of "advancing my people's interests"?
"I've never hid behind the scriptures."
What am I hiding from?
"You on the other hand have clearly taken sides even though you have tried to hide that fact."
You and sj think so. But you push everyone into fixed ethnic and nation-state categories which not every recognizes or lives by. Please don't force your ignorance on those of us who try to live beyond them.
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