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If Kosovo gets UN chair, RS will demand same for itself

If Kosovo get included in the UN and other international institutions, Banja Luka will demand the same path for itself.

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icj1

pre 5 godina

Nasir Oric was convicted of killing Serb civilians in the villages surrounding Srbrenica in 1992 and it was later overturned due to pressure from the west.
(njegos, 4 August 2018 14:03)

Just a small clarification that "due to pressure from the west" is according to a certain njegos' fantasy, because in the real world nobody called west exerted any pressure for overturning that verdict.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 6 August 2018 16:52)

The only thing you could school is crap that you preach to your Albos mate. You wouldn’t know what succession is if it hit you in the head, but God you are an expert on ignorance LOL.
The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. You need a RULING NOT AN ADVISORY OPINION oh ignorant one. I know its past your ability to understand what that means so ask someone to explain it to you with pictures.
Even Trump negotiates with States of the Union so why wouldn’t Vucic. He negotiated with Vojvodina on many issues.
The real question is where is the link that ties Illyrians to Albos and please don’t quote Ptolemy because what you have attached is pure BS. Here I will make it easy for you show me text from any reputable US university that shows without doubt that Albos are Illyrians – the best that I know is Chicago University since it has a school which covers the Balkans.
You Albos are a joke always trying to steal someone else’s history. First it was that classical Greek was based on Albo language then buildings clearly constructed by Romans and Greeks were all built by Albanians. You have to have at least a dozen because you cant be this silly playing with one.

Betsy Lalich

pre 5 godina

"Self-determination" goes both ways, not just for Albanians.
Republika Srpska has every right to exercise actions in its own self interest.
Yugoslavia is over.
Everyone has taken their own corner in this ring of war. Facts are facts.
Accept it and at least be good neighbors.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

sj: "Is there an Albo on this site that has even a clue about laws of succession?."


Why bother when there's Jeremic that knows them like the back of his hand, LOL. Where you part of his team as well, since you seem to be cut from the same bombastic but cheap and defective material.
ICJ ruled on whatever Serbia asked them to rule. In that case was whether the declaration of Independence was legal, which they ruled it was. If you are so certain on the laws of succession, and whether Kosova is still part of Serbia, please feel free to ask ICJ about that as well. It would be a slam dunk, open and shut case, right? Why is Serbia negotiating with Kosova, why is Vucic spending 99% of his time trying to find "a solution to the Kosovo" issue, agonizing and crying that he won't be able to get anything better than the present situation, why is Dacic going to all the far flunged reaches of the earth, and the entire nation of Serbia obsessed, if it was so easy? Go, get it in court if it's yours.
Like I said, Serbia has only partial successor state from FRY, that is sovereignty over Serbia proper, not Kosova. You know that, the rest is bullshit.
Here, I schooled you on the laws of succession, just like I schooled you before that Ptolemy had documented the Albani as an Illyrian tribe, in present day Albania (https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ#page/n229/mode/1up)
You're welcome.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 6 August 2018 07:15)

Is there an Albo on this site that has even a clue about laws of succession? So far I see only clueless individuals making absurd statements just like trying to take credit for ruins that were obviously built by Greeks and Romans.
According to International Law Serbia is the rightful successor to Yugoslavia and Kosovo is still part of Serbia mate.
Don’t crap on about ICJ because it NEVER RULED on the issue of separation of Kosovo from Serbia.
The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.
If you want indisputable proof that Kosovo has legally separated then go back to the ICJ and ask the question, that’s if the US does not shoot you for trying LOL.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zoran: "Serbia is the successor state of FRY, so what's your point? Serbia took on the UN seat of FRY while CG had to apply for one. Whatever refers to FRY in UNSCR1244 now means Serbia."

FRY did not have a UN seat when UNSCR1244 passed, Zoran!
Here's some chronology for you Zoran:
- 1244 passed on June 1999.
- FRY became UN member in November 2000, a year and a half later. According to what Serbs say on this site, FRY wasn't even a state in 1999 since it wasn't in UN.

Serbia can only claim partial successor state from FRY, ie only over Serbia; It has no claim over Kosova, which was already out of Yugoslavia, just like it has no claim over Montenegro.

So, if you feel that you are the successor state of Yugo and have some sort of legal claim over Kosova, please feel free to go to ICJ and ask them another question.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Zoran,
Your argument does not hold water since Serbia had to reapply to UN to get membership. UNRes 1244 is irrelevant when it comes to whether Serbia is a successor state of rump Yugoslavia.
(L.A. Serb, 4 August 2018 18:19)
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Please, get your facts right. Serbia never reapplied for UN membership, FRY reapplied on 27 October and was admitted on 1 November 2000. FRY was renamed to Serbia and Montenegro and when Montenegro left, Serbia assumed the seat. Serbia is the successor state to FRY and Azir you fool, I am talking about FRY, not SFRY. Learn history before making an idiot of yourself.

njegos

pre 5 godina

Dwight - Nasir Oric boasted about killing Serb civilians to the western media. He gleefully recounted the episodes in great detail and did so because he knew that the west protect him, which they did. Had a Serb admitted to what he admitted doing, he would have never seen the light of day again. The Nasir Oric case should tell you all you need to know about the objectivity and fairness of the Hague Tribunal.

L.A. Serb

pre 5 godina

Zoran,
Your argument does not hold water since Serbia had to reapply to UN to get membership. UNRes 1244 is irrelevant when it comes to whether Serbia is a successor state of rump Yugoslavia.

Azir

pre 5 godina

Zoran

If Serbia 🇷🇸 is the successor state to Yugoslavia than it must change its name to Yugoslavia.

Original Yugoslavia had Republics.

Therefore serbs must accept-

Republic of Hungarian- Vojvodina

Republic of Presheva Valley (Presheva ,Medvedja And Bujanoc)

Republic of Sandjak

If Serbia doesn’t follow through then it owes value of all Federation Asstes Serbia manipulated and illegally usurped.

Or Serbia can reapply to UN and other international Organizations on
ITS OWN MERITS !!

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Dwight: "Nobody because that didnt happen.
Here we go again. 1000's of peaceful Serb civilians were killed first and the VRS etc were just helping poor Muslim women and children move from danger and then naughty Bill Clinton tricked them into massacring all the non-Serb men and boys."

Wrong again Dwight. Nasir Oric was convicted of killing Serb civilians in the villages surrounding Srbrenica in 1992 and it was later overturned due to pressure from the west. Oric boasted about killing Serb civilians in an interview with the Christian Science Monitor. He claimed they videotaped booby trapping areas of Serb villages and homes and gleefully watching Serb civilians getting blown up. But as usual, Dwight overlooks any wrongdoing committed against Serbs. If Dwight isn't revising the numbers of Ustasha victims from WWII, he's denying crimes committed against Serbs in the 90s. What a sad life.

factman

pre 5 godina

A lot of silly statements here.

Why would Serbia lose Vojvodina? It is 88% serb population.

And why would it lose Presevo or Sandzak? For that to happen someone bigger would need to take it away. That's not Kosovo. Nor is is it Albania. Both have smaller populations and inferior militaries (regardless of what they believe about some superiority).

Geopolitics is chess. So far Serbia has neutralized K for 20 years. Even K's biggest supporter (USA) no longer cares. American support is finished. Americans don't care about the problems of others anymore.

The one who wins is the one who sooner diversifies his economy.

Territories are expanded by militaries that can win those territories and also defend them. They are won by economies that can support those territories. And they are won by the support of neighbors who are Ok with it.

The smart boys here need to go back to school and think about these things. Go for a swim or go for a walk in the park with your girlfriend instead of saying foolish things in the internet. You show deep ignorance. You don't have very many options to fix your situation.

Guest

pre 5 godina

I’m Albanian and I say go for it. No skin of our backs. You should go even further and seek reunification with Serbia. Not right to keep brothers separated by imposed borders from tyrannical governments.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

No, it doesn't. Serbia is not mentioned at all in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia didn't even exist as a country when that resolution was passed.
(Albanopolis, 3 August 2018 19:54)
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Serbia is the successor state of FRY, so what's your point? Serbia took on the UN seat of FRY while CG had to apply for one. Whatever refers to FRY in UNSCR1244 now means Serbia.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Hang on Sir, doesn't it state in UNSCR 1244 that the territorial integrity of Serbia must be kept?
(Srbin, 3 August 2018 17:33)

No, it doesn't. Serbia is not mentioned at all in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia didn't even exist as a country when that resolution was passed.

Srbin

pre 5 godina

Well, Kosova is already part of FIFA, did Kaka Luka request to be part of it?
How about UEFA, Olympic Com., IMF, World Bank, ERBD, CEFTA, WCO, PCA?

The clown from Kaka Luka is just blowing hot air, as always.

RS was created as part of the Dayton Agreement.

When the Dayton Agreement was being negotiated, I don't remember Serbs asking for Kosova to have the same status. They were explicit and vociferous back then that the status of Kosova and the status of RS are not related. Ok, fine then! Kosova getting in UN should have no effect whatsoever on RS, which is bound by the Dayton agreement, of which Kosova is not a part of.

RS can renegotiate the Dayton Agreement with Bosnia and Croatia, but they too as well have no input of what Kosova does. There is nothing that Kosova can negotiate with RS and there is nothing that Bosnia and Croatia need to negotiate with Kosova regarding the Dayton Agreement.
(Albanopolis, 3 August 2018 16:53)

Hang on Sir, doesn't it state in UNSCR 1244 that the territorial integrity of Serbia must be kept?

iron knee

pre 5 godina

sure rs is part of bosnia because of dayton.
kosovo is part of serbia because of constitution.

both are two pieces of paper outlining an agreement/arrangement.

both geographic regions are recognized constituent parcels of a larger country.

Dwight

pre 5 godina

Then who killed 3,000 Serb civilians (old,children and women ) In Spring of 1992 in Srebrenica)))
(Sasa from near Jagodina, 3 August 2018 15:31)


Nobody because that didnt happen.
Here we go again. 1000's of peaceful Serb civilians were killed first and the VRS etc were just helping poor Muslim women and children move from danger and then naughty Bill Clinton tricked them into massacring all the non-Serb men and boys.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Well, Kosova is already part of FIFA, did Kaka Luka request to be part of it?
How about UEFA, Olympic Com., IMF, World Bank, ERBD, CEFTA, WCO, PCA?

The clown from Kaka Luka is just blowing hot air, as always.

RS was created as part of the Dayton Agreement.

When the Dayton Agreement was being negotiated, I don't remember Serbs asking for Kosova to have the same status. They were explicit and vociferous back then that the status of Kosova and the status of RS are not related. Ok, fine then! Kosova getting in UN should have no effect whatsoever on RS, which is bound by the Dayton agreement, of which Kosova is not a part of.

RS can renegotiate the Dayton Agreement with Bosnia and Croatia, but they too as well have no input of what Kosova does. There is nothing that Kosova can negotiate with RS and there is nothing that Bosnia and Croatia need to negotiate with Kosova regarding the Dayton Agreement.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia...
(Dwight, 3 August 2018 14:02)
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Autonomy was only ever temporary, that is why the international community accepted the name "Republika Srpska". Next step is to make it a republic and then join up with Serbia, just like they are attempting to do with Kosovo.

Montenegro will follow in the coming years. It's only natural.

Hank the Tank

pre 5 godina

Illyria

You use the word ethnic clensing without knowing what it stands for. More serbs were ethnicly clensed than any other people in the Balkan wars. In RS more muslims and croats have returned then serbs have been alowed to go back to their homes in the Federation. You are so full of s.it when you write lies like that. There is no more diverse country in formed Yugoslavia than Serbia. That is a fact!
Independece for RS is the only way to go should Kosovo gain independence and unite with Albania.

Azir

pre 5 godina

Do do Dodic deserves a seat at The Hague.

Front row seat for War Criminal Dodic and his henchmen....

Genocidal reward is RS.

The International Community must eliminate this grave insult to the Bosnian victims and all Humanity.

Serbs have yet to pay for their crimes and now demand recognition of Genocidal reward aka Republica Serbs state (SS)

Sasa from near Jagodina

pre 5 godina

There is no "double standards"
Albanians had autonomy removed and the Albanian civilians were murdered by Serb soldiers

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs.
Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs
(Dwight, 3 August 2018 14:02)

Then who killed 3,000 Serb civilians (old,children and women )
In Spring of 1992 in Srebrenica)))
That started the war ?? Who ,the fairy God mother ),who but the Muslims that where 3 years later killed . Payback is a bitch ))
Let only the civilians R,I,P .

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Yes, I've been waiting for this. It's time to link RS to Kosovo, long overdue. In that case, western nations will start thinking twice about the double standards they keep pushing.

Illyria

pre 5 godina

To "srboslav"

I am afraid that you hang on the wrong pages on the internet. I returned from Albania yesterday, Ksamil more precisely. I took the llogara road to there and the inner road on my way back. Road SH4.

There are no greeks my friend, you might not know that but all the tourists in southern Albania see that, including many slavic speaking ones, which surprised me.

Max 500? If even that. Not a single Greek flag. So, why does southern Albania concern you when you can loose Vojvodina going by your mentality? If we change borders by ethnicity, albanians win the most.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Dwight the revisionist: "This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs."

Kosovo had autonomy and more rights that any minority in Europe. Pristina University even used the Albanian language. But this wasn't enough for the Albanians. With the help of the west, they incited a war and a very harsh retaliation by Milosevic. And no one in Kosovo is killing Albanians, but for the past 10 years Serbs are still being attacked and in some instances killed.

More from Dwight: "Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs"

The Serbs didn't illegally break away and start a war, your brethren, the Croats and Muslims did. The Serbs responded. You live by the sword and you die by the sword. Muslims combined with Croats in B-H outnumbered Serbs there. Therefore, it would follow that the two combined would have more casualties in a three-way civil war genius.

adrian_bucharest

pre 5 godina

I want to congratulate Serbia for the gdp grow from quater 2 of +4,4%

i think a gdp grow of at least +4% is very good

it seem to be that the year 2018 is the year when Serbs are weaking up

after all i think i had underestimated Vucic

srboslav

pre 5 godina

By this logic you loose both sanxhak and the Presheva valley. Though I am by principle against the independence of RS given that it a creation based on ethnic cleansing, this concerns more Bosnians and perhaps Croatians, than Albanians.

As we have nothing to loose by Dodiks statements but much to win.

And then let's split the Greek dominated areas in Albania.

Dwight

pre 5 godina

There is no "double standards"
Albanians had autonomy removed and the Albanian civilians were murdered by Serb soldiers

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs.
Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 5 godina

Serbian people need to be more concerned to their rapid declining population due to low or non existent birth rates ! Trying to hold on to lands or earthly possessions is futile, who will inherit Serbian properties when there are no Serbian children being born ? Bosna i Herzegovina will become like Kosovo, the majority of the population will be Croatian and Bosniak Muslums and the Serbs continue to die off. The Serbian people continue to die off and very negative birth rates ( Self Destruction ), so the Croatians and Albo - Bosniak Muslums can save their bullets because nature will take it's course and the extinction of Srbija will be a new frontier for the healthy and the living people of the Balkans !!!

Illyria

pre 5 godina

By this logic you loose both sanxhak and the Presheva valley. Though I am by principle against the independence of RS given that it a creation based on ethnic cleansing, this concerns more Bosnians and perhaps Croatians, than Albanians.

As we have nothing to loose by Dodiks statements but much to win.

Dwight

pre 5 godina

There is no "double standards"
Albanians had autonomy removed and the Albanian civilians were murdered by Serb soldiers

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs.
Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs

Illyria

pre 5 godina

By this logic you loose both sanxhak and the Presheva valley. Though I am by principle against the independence of RS given that it a creation based on ethnic cleansing, this concerns more Bosnians and perhaps Croatians, than Albanians.

As we have nothing to loose by Dodiks statements but much to win.

Illyria

pre 5 godina

To "srboslav"

I am afraid that you hang on the wrong pages on the internet. I returned from Albania yesterday, Ksamil more precisely. I took the llogara road to there and the inner road on my way back. Road SH4.

There are no greeks my friend, you might not know that but all the tourists in southern Albania see that, including many slavic speaking ones, which surprised me.

Max 500? If even that. Not a single Greek flag. So, why does southern Albania concern you when you can loose Vojvodina going by your mentality? If we change borders by ethnicity, albanians win the most.

Dwight

pre 5 godina

Then who killed 3,000 Serb civilians (old,children and women ) In Spring of 1992 in Srebrenica)))
(Sasa from near Jagodina, 3 August 2018 15:31)


Nobody because that didnt happen.
Here we go again. 1000's of peaceful Serb civilians were killed first and the VRS etc were just helping poor Muslim women and children move from danger and then naughty Bill Clinton tricked them into massacring all the non-Serb men and boys.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Well, Kosova is already part of FIFA, did Kaka Luka request to be part of it?
How about UEFA, Olympic Com., IMF, World Bank, ERBD, CEFTA, WCO, PCA?

The clown from Kaka Luka is just blowing hot air, as always.

RS was created as part of the Dayton Agreement.

When the Dayton Agreement was being negotiated, I don't remember Serbs asking for Kosova to have the same status. They were explicit and vociferous back then that the status of Kosova and the status of RS are not related. Ok, fine then! Kosova getting in UN should have no effect whatsoever on RS, which is bound by the Dayton agreement, of which Kosova is not a part of.

RS can renegotiate the Dayton Agreement with Bosnia and Croatia, but they too as well have no input of what Kosova does. There is nothing that Kosova can negotiate with RS and there is nothing that Bosnia and Croatia need to negotiate with Kosova regarding the Dayton Agreement.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Hang on Sir, doesn't it state in UNSCR 1244 that the territorial integrity of Serbia must be kept?
(Srbin, 3 August 2018 17:33)

No, it doesn't. Serbia is not mentioned at all in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia didn't even exist as a country when that resolution was passed.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 5 godina

Serbian people need to be more concerned to their rapid declining population due to low or non existent birth rates ! Trying to hold on to lands or earthly possessions is futile, who will inherit Serbian properties when there are no Serbian children being born ? Bosna i Herzegovina will become like Kosovo, the majority of the population will be Croatian and Bosniak Muslums and the Serbs continue to die off. The Serbian people continue to die off and very negative birth rates ( Self Destruction ), so the Croatians and Albo - Bosniak Muslums can save their bullets because nature will take it's course and the extinction of Srbija will be a new frontier for the healthy and the living people of the Balkans !!!

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Dwight the revisionist: "This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs."

Kosovo had autonomy and more rights that any minority in Europe. Pristina University even used the Albanian language. But this wasn't enough for the Albanians. With the help of the west, they incited a war and a very harsh retaliation by Milosevic. And no one in Kosovo is killing Albanians, but for the past 10 years Serbs are still being attacked and in some instances killed.

More from Dwight: "Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs"

The Serbs didn't illegally break away and start a war, your brethren, the Croats and Muslims did. The Serbs responded. You live by the sword and you die by the sword. Muslims combined with Croats in B-H outnumbered Serbs there. Therefore, it would follow that the two combined would have more casualties in a three-way civil war genius.

Sasa from near Jagodina

pre 5 godina

There is no "double standards"
Albanians had autonomy removed and the Albanian civilians were murdered by Serb soldiers

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs.
Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs
(Dwight, 3 August 2018 14:02)

Then who killed 3,000 Serb civilians (old,children and women )
In Spring of 1992 in Srebrenica)))
That started the war ?? Who ,the fairy God mother ),who but the Muslims that where 3 years later killed . Payback is a bitch ))
Let only the civilians R,I,P .

Zoran

pre 5 godina

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia...
(Dwight, 3 August 2018 14:02)
--
Autonomy was only ever temporary, that is why the international community accepted the name "Republika Srpska". Next step is to make it a republic and then join up with Serbia, just like they are attempting to do with Kosovo.

Montenegro will follow in the coming years. It's only natural.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

No, it doesn't. Serbia is not mentioned at all in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia didn't even exist as a country when that resolution was passed.
(Albanopolis, 3 August 2018 19:54)
--
Serbia is the successor state of FRY, so what's your point? Serbia took on the UN seat of FRY while CG had to apply for one. Whatever refers to FRY in UNSCR1244 now means Serbia.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Yes, I've been waiting for this. It's time to link RS to Kosovo, long overdue. In that case, western nations will start thinking twice about the double standards they keep pushing.

Azir

pre 5 godina

Do do Dodic deserves a seat at The Hague.

Front row seat for War Criminal Dodic and his henchmen....

Genocidal reward is RS.

The International Community must eliminate this grave insult to the Bosnian victims and all Humanity.

Serbs have yet to pay for their crimes and now demand recognition of Genocidal reward aka Republica Serbs state (SS)

Hank the Tank

pre 5 godina

Illyria

You use the word ethnic clensing without knowing what it stands for. More serbs were ethnicly clensed than any other people in the Balkan wars. In RS more muslims and croats have returned then serbs have been alowed to go back to their homes in the Federation. You are so full of s.it when you write lies like that. There is no more diverse country in formed Yugoslavia than Serbia. That is a fact!
Independece for RS is the only way to go should Kosovo gain independence and unite with Albania.

srboslav

pre 5 godina

By this logic you loose both sanxhak and the Presheva valley. Though I am by principle against the independence of RS given that it a creation based on ethnic cleansing, this concerns more Bosnians and perhaps Croatians, than Albanians.

As we have nothing to loose by Dodiks statements but much to win.

And then let's split the Greek dominated areas in Albania.

Guest

pre 5 godina

I’m Albanian and I say go for it. No skin of our backs. You should go even further and seek reunification with Serbia. Not right to keep brothers separated by imposed borders from tyrannical governments.

Srbin

pre 5 godina

Well, Kosova is already part of FIFA, did Kaka Luka request to be part of it?
How about UEFA, Olympic Com., IMF, World Bank, ERBD, CEFTA, WCO, PCA?

The clown from Kaka Luka is just blowing hot air, as always.

RS was created as part of the Dayton Agreement.

When the Dayton Agreement was being negotiated, I don't remember Serbs asking for Kosova to have the same status. They were explicit and vociferous back then that the status of Kosova and the status of RS are not related. Ok, fine then! Kosova getting in UN should have no effect whatsoever on RS, which is bound by the Dayton agreement, of which Kosova is not a part of.

RS can renegotiate the Dayton Agreement with Bosnia and Croatia, but they too as well have no input of what Kosova does. There is nothing that Kosova can negotiate with RS and there is nothing that Bosnia and Croatia need to negotiate with Kosova regarding the Dayton Agreement.
(Albanopolis, 3 August 2018 16:53)

Hang on Sir, doesn't it state in UNSCR 1244 that the territorial integrity of Serbia must be kept?

njegos

pre 5 godina

Dwight - Nasir Oric boasted about killing Serb civilians to the western media. He gleefully recounted the episodes in great detail and did so because he knew that the west protect him, which they did. Had a Serb admitted to what he admitted doing, he would have never seen the light of day again. The Nasir Oric case should tell you all you need to know about the objectivity and fairness of the Hague Tribunal.

Azir

pre 5 godina

Zoran

If Serbia 🇷🇸 is the successor state to Yugoslavia than it must change its name to Yugoslavia.

Original Yugoslavia had Republics.

Therefore serbs must accept-

Republic of Hungarian- Vojvodina

Republic of Presheva Valley (Presheva ,Medvedja And Bujanoc)

Republic of Sandjak

If Serbia doesn’t follow through then it owes value of all Federation Asstes Serbia manipulated and illegally usurped.

Or Serbia can reapply to UN and other international Organizations on
ITS OWN MERITS !!

iron knee

pre 5 godina

sure rs is part of bosnia because of dayton.
kosovo is part of serbia because of constitution.

both are two pieces of paper outlining an agreement/arrangement.

both geographic regions are recognized constituent parcels of a larger country.

factman

pre 5 godina

A lot of silly statements here.

Why would Serbia lose Vojvodina? It is 88% serb population.

And why would it lose Presevo or Sandzak? For that to happen someone bigger would need to take it away. That's not Kosovo. Nor is is it Albania. Both have smaller populations and inferior militaries (regardless of what they believe about some superiority).

Geopolitics is chess. So far Serbia has neutralized K for 20 years. Even K's biggest supporter (USA) no longer cares. American support is finished. Americans don't care about the problems of others anymore.

The one who wins is the one who sooner diversifies his economy.

Territories are expanded by militaries that can win those territories and also defend them. They are won by economies that can support those territories. And they are won by the support of neighbors who are Ok with it.

The smart boys here need to go back to school and think about these things. Go for a swim or go for a walk in the park with your girlfriend instead of saying foolish things in the internet. You show deep ignorance. You don't have very many options to fix your situation.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Dwight: "Nobody because that didnt happen.
Here we go again. 1000's of peaceful Serb civilians were killed first and the VRS etc were just helping poor Muslim women and children move from danger and then naughty Bill Clinton tricked them into massacring all the non-Serb men and boys."

Wrong again Dwight. Nasir Oric was convicted of killing Serb civilians in the villages surrounding Srbrenica in 1992 and it was later overturned due to pressure from the west. Oric boasted about killing Serb civilians in an interview with the Christian Science Monitor. He claimed they videotaped booby trapping areas of Serb villages and homes and gleefully watching Serb civilians getting blown up. But as usual, Dwight overlooks any wrongdoing committed against Serbs. If Dwight isn't revising the numbers of Ustasha victims from WWII, he's denying crimes committed against Serbs in the 90s. What a sad life.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 6 August 2018 07:15)

Is there an Albo on this site that has even a clue about laws of succession? So far I see only clueless individuals making absurd statements just like trying to take credit for ruins that were obviously built by Greeks and Romans.
According to International Law Serbia is the rightful successor to Yugoslavia and Kosovo is still part of Serbia mate.
Don’t crap on about ICJ because it NEVER RULED on the issue of separation of Kosovo from Serbia.
The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.
If you want indisputable proof that Kosovo has legally separated then go back to the ICJ and ask the question, that’s if the US does not shoot you for trying LOL.

L.A. Serb

pre 5 godina

Zoran,
Your argument does not hold water since Serbia had to reapply to UN to get membership. UNRes 1244 is irrelevant when it comes to whether Serbia is a successor state of rump Yugoslavia.

Betsy Lalich

pre 5 godina

"Self-determination" goes both ways, not just for Albanians.
Republika Srpska has every right to exercise actions in its own self interest.
Yugoslavia is over.
Everyone has taken their own corner in this ring of war. Facts are facts.
Accept it and at least be good neighbors.

adrian_bucharest

pre 5 godina

I want to congratulate Serbia for the gdp grow from quater 2 of +4,4%

i think a gdp grow of at least +4% is very good

it seem to be that the year 2018 is the year when Serbs are weaking up

after all i think i had underestimated Vucic

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Zoran,
Your argument does not hold water since Serbia had to reapply to UN to get membership. UNRes 1244 is irrelevant when it comes to whether Serbia is a successor state of rump Yugoslavia.
(L.A. Serb, 4 August 2018 18:19)
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Please, get your facts right. Serbia never reapplied for UN membership, FRY reapplied on 27 October and was admitted on 1 November 2000. FRY was renamed to Serbia and Montenegro and when Montenegro left, Serbia assumed the seat. Serbia is the successor state to FRY and Azir you fool, I am talking about FRY, not SFRY. Learn history before making an idiot of yourself.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

sj: "Is there an Albo on this site that has even a clue about laws of succession?."


Why bother when there's Jeremic that knows them like the back of his hand, LOL. Where you part of his team as well, since you seem to be cut from the same bombastic but cheap and defective material.
ICJ ruled on whatever Serbia asked them to rule. In that case was whether the declaration of Independence was legal, which they ruled it was. If you are so certain on the laws of succession, and whether Kosova is still part of Serbia, please feel free to ask ICJ about that as well. It would be a slam dunk, open and shut case, right? Why is Serbia negotiating with Kosova, why is Vucic spending 99% of his time trying to find "a solution to the Kosovo" issue, agonizing and crying that he won't be able to get anything better than the present situation, why is Dacic going to all the far flunged reaches of the earth, and the entire nation of Serbia obsessed, if it was so easy? Go, get it in court if it's yours.
Like I said, Serbia has only partial successor state from FRY, that is sovereignty over Serbia proper, not Kosova. You know that, the rest is bullshit.
Here, I schooled you on the laws of succession, just like I schooled you before that Ptolemy had documented the Albani as an Illyrian tribe, in present day Albania (https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ#page/n229/mode/1up)
You're welcome.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zoran: "Serbia is the successor state of FRY, so what's your point? Serbia took on the UN seat of FRY while CG had to apply for one. Whatever refers to FRY in UNSCR1244 now means Serbia."

FRY did not have a UN seat when UNSCR1244 passed, Zoran!
Here's some chronology for you Zoran:
- 1244 passed on June 1999.
- FRY became UN member in November 2000, a year and a half later. According to what Serbs say on this site, FRY wasn't even a state in 1999 since it wasn't in UN.

Serbia can only claim partial successor state from FRY, ie only over Serbia; It has no claim over Kosova, which was already out of Yugoslavia, just like it has no claim over Montenegro.

So, if you feel that you are the successor state of Yugo and have some sort of legal claim over Kosova, please feel free to go to ICJ and ask them another question.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 6 August 2018 16:52)

The only thing you could school is crap that you preach to your Albos mate. You wouldn’t know what succession is if it hit you in the head, but God you are an expert on ignorance LOL.
The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. You need a RULING NOT AN ADVISORY OPINION oh ignorant one. I know its past your ability to understand what that means so ask someone to explain it to you with pictures.
Even Trump negotiates with States of the Union so why wouldn’t Vucic. He negotiated with Vojvodina on many issues.
The real question is where is the link that ties Illyrians to Albos and please don’t quote Ptolemy because what you have attached is pure BS. Here I will make it easy for you show me text from any reputable US university that shows without doubt that Albos are Illyrians – the best that I know is Chicago University since it has a school which covers the Balkans.
You Albos are a joke always trying to steal someone else’s history. First it was that classical Greek was based on Albo language then buildings clearly constructed by Romans and Greeks were all built by Albanians. You have to have at least a dozen because you cant be this silly playing with one.

icj1

pre 5 godina

Nasir Oric was convicted of killing Serb civilians in the villages surrounding Srbrenica in 1992 and it was later overturned due to pressure from the west.
(njegos, 4 August 2018 14:03)

Just a small clarification that "due to pressure from the west" is according to a certain njegos' fantasy, because in the real world nobody called west exerted any pressure for overturning that verdict.

Illyria

pre 5 godina

By this logic you loose both sanxhak and the Presheva valley. Though I am by principle against the independence of RS given that it a creation based on ethnic cleansing, this concerns more Bosnians and perhaps Croatians, than Albanians.

As we have nothing to loose by Dodiks statements but much to win.

srboslav

pre 5 godina

By this logic you loose both sanxhak and the Presheva valley. Though I am by principle against the independence of RS given that it a creation based on ethnic cleansing, this concerns more Bosnians and perhaps Croatians, than Albanians.

As we have nothing to loose by Dodiks statements but much to win.

And then let's split the Greek dominated areas in Albania.

Azir

pre 5 godina

Do do Dodic deserves a seat at The Hague.

Front row seat for War Criminal Dodic and his henchmen....

Genocidal reward is RS.

The International Community must eliminate this grave insult to the Bosnian victims and all Humanity.

Serbs have yet to pay for their crimes and now demand recognition of Genocidal reward aka Republica Serbs state (SS)

Hank the Tank

pre 5 godina

Illyria

You use the word ethnic clensing without knowing what it stands for. More serbs were ethnicly clensed than any other people in the Balkan wars. In RS more muslims and croats have returned then serbs have been alowed to go back to their homes in the Federation. You are so full of s.it when you write lies like that. There is no more diverse country in formed Yugoslavia than Serbia. That is a fact!
Independece for RS is the only way to go should Kosovo gain independence and unite with Albania.

Dwight

pre 5 godina

There is no "double standards"
Albanians had autonomy removed and the Albanian civilians were murdered by Serb soldiers

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs.
Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs

adrian_bucharest

pre 5 godina

I want to congratulate Serbia for the gdp grow from quater 2 of +4,4%

i think a gdp grow of at least +4% is very good

it seem to be that the year 2018 is the year when Serbs are weaking up

after all i think i had underestimated Vucic

Illyria

pre 5 godina

To "srboslav"

I am afraid that you hang on the wrong pages on the internet. I returned from Albania yesterday, Ksamil more precisely. I took the llogara road to there and the inner road on my way back. Road SH4.

There are no greeks my friend, you might not know that but all the tourists in southern Albania see that, including many slavic speaking ones, which surprised me.

Max 500? If even that. Not a single Greek flag. So, why does southern Albania concern you when you can loose Vojvodina going by your mentality? If we change borders by ethnicity, albanians win the most.

Sasa from near Jagodina

pre 5 godina

There is no "double standards"
Albanians had autonomy removed and the Albanian civilians were murdered by Serb soldiers

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs.
Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs
(Dwight, 3 August 2018 14:02)

Then who killed 3,000 Serb civilians (old,children and women )
In Spring of 1992 in Srebrenica)))
That started the war ?? Who ,the fairy God mother ),who but the Muslims that where 3 years later killed . Payback is a bitch ))
Let only the civilians R,I,P .

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Yes, I've been waiting for this. It's time to link RS to Kosovo, long overdue. In that case, western nations will start thinking twice about the double standards they keep pushing.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Dwight the revisionist: "This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia and there is no-one killing Serbs."

Kosovo had autonomy and more rights that any minority in Europe. Pristina University even used the Albanian language. But this wasn't enough for the Albanians. With the help of the west, they incited a war and a very harsh retaliation by Milosevic. And no one in Kosovo is killing Albanians, but for the past 10 years Serbs are still being attacked and in some instances killed.

More from Dwight: "Most of the killing during the Bosnian war was done to other groups by the Serbs"

The Serbs didn't illegally break away and start a war, your brethren, the Croats and Muslims did. The Serbs responded. You live by the sword and you die by the sword. Muslims combined with Croats in B-H outnumbered Serbs there. Therefore, it would follow that the two combined would have more casualties in a three-way civil war genius.

Srbin

pre 5 godina

Well, Kosova is already part of FIFA, did Kaka Luka request to be part of it?
How about UEFA, Olympic Com., IMF, World Bank, ERBD, CEFTA, WCO, PCA?

The clown from Kaka Luka is just blowing hot air, as always.

RS was created as part of the Dayton Agreement.

When the Dayton Agreement was being negotiated, I don't remember Serbs asking for Kosova to have the same status. They were explicit and vociferous back then that the status of Kosova and the status of RS are not related. Ok, fine then! Kosova getting in UN should have no effect whatsoever on RS, which is bound by the Dayton agreement, of which Kosova is not a part of.

RS can renegotiate the Dayton Agreement with Bosnia and Croatia, but they too as well have no input of what Kosova does. There is nothing that Kosova can negotiate with RS and there is nothing that Bosnia and Croatia need to negotiate with Kosova regarding the Dayton Agreement.
(Albanopolis, 3 August 2018 16:53)

Hang on Sir, doesn't it state in UNSCR 1244 that the territorial integrity of Serbia must be kept?

Zoran

pre 5 godina

This is not the situation in RS which already has autonomy from Bosnia...
(Dwight, 3 August 2018 14:02)
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Autonomy was only ever temporary, that is why the international community accepted the name "Republika Srpska". Next step is to make it a republic and then join up with Serbia, just like they are attempting to do with Kosovo.

Montenegro will follow in the coming years. It's only natural.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

No, it doesn't. Serbia is not mentioned at all in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia didn't even exist as a country when that resolution was passed.
(Albanopolis, 3 August 2018 19:54)
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Serbia is the successor state of FRY, so what's your point? Serbia took on the UN seat of FRY while CG had to apply for one. Whatever refers to FRY in UNSCR1244 now means Serbia.

Dwight

pre 5 godina

Then who killed 3,000 Serb civilians (old,children and women ) In Spring of 1992 in Srebrenica)))
(Sasa from near Jagodina, 3 August 2018 15:31)


Nobody because that didnt happen.
Here we go again. 1000's of peaceful Serb civilians were killed first and the VRS etc were just helping poor Muslim women and children move from danger and then naughty Bill Clinton tricked them into massacring all the non-Serb men and boys.

iron knee

pre 5 godina

sure rs is part of bosnia because of dayton.
kosovo is part of serbia because of constitution.

both are two pieces of paper outlining an agreement/arrangement.

both geographic regions are recognized constituent parcels of a larger country.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Well, Kosova is already part of FIFA, did Kaka Luka request to be part of it?
How about UEFA, Olympic Com., IMF, World Bank, ERBD, CEFTA, WCO, PCA?

The clown from Kaka Luka is just blowing hot air, as always.

RS was created as part of the Dayton Agreement.

When the Dayton Agreement was being negotiated, I don't remember Serbs asking for Kosova to have the same status. They were explicit and vociferous back then that the status of Kosova and the status of RS are not related. Ok, fine then! Kosova getting in UN should have no effect whatsoever on RS, which is bound by the Dayton agreement, of which Kosova is not a part of.

RS can renegotiate the Dayton Agreement with Bosnia and Croatia, but they too as well have no input of what Kosova does. There is nothing that Kosova can negotiate with RS and there is nothing that Bosnia and Croatia need to negotiate with Kosova regarding the Dayton Agreement.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Hang on Sir, doesn't it state in UNSCR 1244 that the territorial integrity of Serbia must be kept?
(Srbin, 3 August 2018 17:33)

No, it doesn't. Serbia is not mentioned at all in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia didn't even exist as a country when that resolution was passed.

Azir

pre 5 godina

Zoran

If Serbia 🇷🇸 is the successor state to Yugoslavia than it must change its name to Yugoslavia.

Original Yugoslavia had Republics.

Therefore serbs must accept-

Republic of Hungarian- Vojvodina

Republic of Presheva Valley (Presheva ,Medvedja And Bujanoc)

Republic of Sandjak

If Serbia doesn’t follow through then it owes value of all Federation Asstes Serbia manipulated and illegally usurped.

Or Serbia can reapply to UN and other international Organizations on
ITS OWN MERITS !!

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 5 godina

Serbian people need to be more concerned to their rapid declining population due to low or non existent birth rates ! Trying to hold on to lands or earthly possessions is futile, who will inherit Serbian properties when there are no Serbian children being born ? Bosna i Herzegovina will become like Kosovo, the majority of the population will be Croatian and Bosniak Muslums and the Serbs continue to die off. The Serbian people continue to die off and very negative birth rates ( Self Destruction ), so the Croatians and Albo - Bosniak Muslums can save their bullets because nature will take it's course and the extinction of Srbija will be a new frontier for the healthy and the living people of the Balkans !!!

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Dwight: "Nobody because that didnt happen.
Here we go again. 1000's of peaceful Serb civilians were killed first and the VRS etc were just helping poor Muslim women and children move from danger and then naughty Bill Clinton tricked them into massacring all the non-Serb men and boys."

Wrong again Dwight. Nasir Oric was convicted of killing Serb civilians in the villages surrounding Srbrenica in 1992 and it was later overturned due to pressure from the west. Oric boasted about killing Serb civilians in an interview with the Christian Science Monitor. He claimed they videotaped booby trapping areas of Serb villages and homes and gleefully watching Serb civilians getting blown up. But as usual, Dwight overlooks any wrongdoing committed against Serbs. If Dwight isn't revising the numbers of Ustasha victims from WWII, he's denying crimes committed against Serbs in the 90s. What a sad life.

L.A. Serb

pre 5 godina

Zoran,
Your argument does not hold water since Serbia had to reapply to UN to get membership. UNRes 1244 is irrelevant when it comes to whether Serbia is a successor state of rump Yugoslavia.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 6 August 2018 16:52)

The only thing you could school is crap that you preach to your Albos mate. You wouldn’t know what succession is if it hit you in the head, but God you are an expert on ignorance LOL.
The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. You need a RULING NOT AN ADVISORY OPINION oh ignorant one. I know its past your ability to understand what that means so ask someone to explain it to you with pictures.
Even Trump negotiates with States of the Union so why wouldn’t Vucic. He negotiated with Vojvodina on many issues.
The real question is where is the link that ties Illyrians to Albos and please don’t quote Ptolemy because what you have attached is pure BS. Here I will make it easy for you show me text from any reputable US university that shows without doubt that Albos are Illyrians – the best that I know is Chicago University since it has a school which covers the Balkans.
You Albos are a joke always trying to steal someone else’s history. First it was that classical Greek was based on Albo language then buildings clearly constructed by Romans and Greeks were all built by Albanians. You have to have at least a dozen because you cant be this silly playing with one.

factman

pre 5 godina

A lot of silly statements here.

Why would Serbia lose Vojvodina? It is 88% serb population.

And why would it lose Presevo or Sandzak? For that to happen someone bigger would need to take it away. That's not Kosovo. Nor is is it Albania. Both have smaller populations and inferior militaries (regardless of what they believe about some superiority).

Geopolitics is chess. So far Serbia has neutralized K for 20 years. Even K's biggest supporter (USA) no longer cares. American support is finished. Americans don't care about the problems of others anymore.

The one who wins is the one who sooner diversifies his economy.

Territories are expanded by militaries that can win those territories and also defend them. They are won by economies that can support those territories. And they are won by the support of neighbors who are Ok with it.

The smart boys here need to go back to school and think about these things. Go for a swim or go for a walk in the park with your girlfriend instead of saying foolish things in the internet. You show deep ignorance. You don't have very many options to fix your situation.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 6 August 2018 07:15)

Is there an Albo on this site that has even a clue about laws of succession? So far I see only clueless individuals making absurd statements just like trying to take credit for ruins that were obviously built by Greeks and Romans.
According to International Law Serbia is the rightful successor to Yugoslavia and Kosovo is still part of Serbia mate.
Don’t crap on about ICJ because it NEVER RULED on the issue of separation of Kosovo from Serbia.
The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.
If you want indisputable proof that Kosovo has legally separated then go back to the ICJ and ask the question, that’s if the US does not shoot you for trying LOL.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zoran: "Serbia is the successor state of FRY, so what's your point? Serbia took on the UN seat of FRY while CG had to apply for one. Whatever refers to FRY in UNSCR1244 now means Serbia."

FRY did not have a UN seat when UNSCR1244 passed, Zoran!
Here's some chronology for you Zoran:
- 1244 passed on June 1999.
- FRY became UN member in November 2000, a year and a half later. According to what Serbs say on this site, FRY wasn't even a state in 1999 since it wasn't in UN.

Serbia can only claim partial successor state from FRY, ie only over Serbia; It has no claim over Kosova, which was already out of Yugoslavia, just like it has no claim over Montenegro.

So, if you feel that you are the successor state of Yugo and have some sort of legal claim over Kosova, please feel free to go to ICJ and ask them another question.

Betsy Lalich

pre 5 godina

"Self-determination" goes both ways, not just for Albanians.
Republika Srpska has every right to exercise actions in its own self interest.
Yugoslavia is over.
Everyone has taken their own corner in this ring of war. Facts are facts.
Accept it and at least be good neighbors.

njegos

pre 5 godina

Dwight - Nasir Oric boasted about killing Serb civilians to the western media. He gleefully recounted the episodes in great detail and did so because he knew that the west protect him, which they did. Had a Serb admitted to what he admitted doing, he would have never seen the light of day again. The Nasir Oric case should tell you all you need to know about the objectivity and fairness of the Hague Tribunal.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Zoran,
Your argument does not hold water since Serbia had to reapply to UN to get membership. UNRes 1244 is irrelevant when it comes to whether Serbia is a successor state of rump Yugoslavia.
(L.A. Serb, 4 August 2018 18:19)
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Please, get your facts right. Serbia never reapplied for UN membership, FRY reapplied on 27 October and was admitted on 1 November 2000. FRY was renamed to Serbia and Montenegro and when Montenegro left, Serbia assumed the seat. Serbia is the successor state to FRY and Azir you fool, I am talking about FRY, not SFRY. Learn history before making an idiot of yourself.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

sj: "Is there an Albo on this site that has even a clue about laws of succession?."


Why bother when there's Jeremic that knows them like the back of his hand, LOL. Where you part of his team as well, since you seem to be cut from the same bombastic but cheap and defective material.
ICJ ruled on whatever Serbia asked them to rule. In that case was whether the declaration of Independence was legal, which they ruled it was. If you are so certain on the laws of succession, and whether Kosova is still part of Serbia, please feel free to ask ICJ about that as well. It would be a slam dunk, open and shut case, right? Why is Serbia negotiating with Kosova, why is Vucic spending 99% of his time trying to find "a solution to the Kosovo" issue, agonizing and crying that he won't be able to get anything better than the present situation, why is Dacic going to all the far flunged reaches of the earth, and the entire nation of Serbia obsessed, if it was so easy? Go, get it in court if it's yours.
Like I said, Serbia has only partial successor state from FRY, that is sovereignty over Serbia proper, not Kosova. You know that, the rest is bullshit.
Here, I schooled you on the laws of succession, just like I schooled you before that Ptolemy had documented the Albani as an Illyrian tribe, in present day Albania (https://archive.org/stream/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ#page/n229/mode/1up)
You're welcome.

icj1

pre 5 godina

Nasir Oric was convicted of killing Serb civilians in the villages surrounding Srbrenica in 1992 and it was later overturned due to pressure from the west.
(njegos, 4 August 2018 14:03)

Just a small clarification that "due to pressure from the west" is according to a certain njegos' fantasy, because in the real world nobody called west exerted any pressure for overturning that verdict.

Guest

pre 5 godina

I’m Albanian and I say go for it. No skin of our backs. You should go even further and seek reunification with Serbia. Not right to keep brothers separated by imposed borders from tyrannical governments.