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Friday, 13.07.2018.

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British report about Balkans: Russians, Chinese, Turks...

Outside actors such as Russia, China and Turkey have filled a void created by EU neglect of the Western Balkans over the past decade.

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icj1

pre 5 godina

I welcome further involvement of Russia, China and even Turkey in the region.

And I'm sick of Western politicians taking credit for investment in the region. Western companies come to the Balkans just like anywhere else to turn a profit. And they will stay there if their business objectives are being met, regardless of where countries sway politically.
(Ari Gold, 13 July 2018 14:19)

That's what Chinese companies do, as well, so it's not clear what point you are trying to make, dear!

JS

pre 5 godina

"If you have to ask that then you should not be discussing grown ups' issues."

People usually evade a question when they don't have an answer...

Peggy

pre 5 godina

By the way, what are Brits doing wrong?
(JS, 13 July 2018 21:59)
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If you have to ask that then you should not be discussing grown ups' issues.

JS

pre 5 godina

@ ari Gold

"Demented and idiotic statements like these only show the weakness and impotence of NATO powers to keep their stranglehold on the region forever."

I agree with whoever was posting the humorous "safe places for Serbs." Your comment is a perfect example of why we need to create safe spaces for Serbs, to get away from the deadly "stranglehold" of the Brits.

By the way, what are Brits doing wrong?

Ian

pre 5 godina

This coming from a country that has pillaged and blackmailed the entirr planet. The nerve of the british is unbelievable. Tey themselves do not even have a democracy as they work day and night to undermine a very recent referendum and try to force the governments will onto the people. Take a look in the mirror, you can easily replace russia with england in this article and everything could actually be proven to be true. Nobody in the world has a bigger touch of death than england.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 5 godina

Also did anybody see the drunken Juncker at Nato summit and the moment he hits poor Poroshenko? That video represents what has Nato and what has the EU and their mothers euroatlantic perspective has become!! Sir Robert Cooper answer to this simple simple question! For 30 long long years Russia has been absent on the international scene for objective reasons. For 30 long long years you were the winning part of the european history. What prevented you by modernizing your states and by being successful internally and internationally? What prevented you by investing in innovation and economic reforms? With an absent Russia for the last 2 decades west's gdp growth and other economic indicators have gone from bad to very bad. You see degradation and poverty everywhere in Europe. People look like mad very nervous very desperate. The right wing blames immigration and multiculturalism the left is dead and has abandoned what was supposed to be it's electoral base so workers and farmers and comes up with more right wing policies than the right wing does. Why dont you focus on these issues Mr Cooper instead of breaking our d* with your paranoia about Russia? Live with it Russia is here to stay and sincerely sincerely and very sincerely we in the balkans cant wait for Russia to become even more aggressive and to finally make a real REAL aggression on these abandoned lands!

Sreten

pre 5 godina

This is UK parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee report?
Julian Harston, Andy UK....It is obvious that your government is completely overrun by anti-Russian collective paranoia when fake news report constitute the base of government reports.
There is Russian support for destabilizing activities in Bosnia and report "cited media reports in early 2018 that local police were purchasing 'long-barreled weapons' from Russia, ".
It was made up by Guardian and other media carried it on. They said that RS is procuring weapons worth nearly 1 million dollars, and that purchase is arranged without consent from Sarajevo, also wondering why RS police would need million dollars of weapons?
Guardian also stated that RS Police Counter-Terrorism Training Center will open in Zaluzani, near Banja Luka in April where Russian special forces will provide counter-terrorist training in the Serb entity.
Guardian story quickly became a topic in every newspaper in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia...
The story quickly unfolded - Why RS Police need million dollars weapons purchase? Why not? They forgot to mention that Canton Sarajevo Police alone procured 1 million dollars worth of weapons in the same period.
Weapons entered country legally, and Customs permit was issued in Sarajevo, and it wasn't smuggled as Guardian and other UK papers claimed.
Weapons wasn't purchased from Russia, but from Serbia.
Instructors in Zaluzani Training Centre were not from Russia, but from US and EU...

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 5 godina

The void of EU in western balkans will be filled by Russia China and Turkey? Which void when for the last 30 years our elites have been licking the asses of EU and US economically politically diplomatically socially privately? Western advisers have been attached in any single ministry in our countries. The Eu and Us diplomats are God on earth for any political party in our countries but you know Russia is very good at worsening bad situations! Balkans problems are huge rates of unemployment Balkans problems are our kafene full of young people siping their daily dose of makiato or rakia and desperation and applications for emigrations and you still have the courage to blame Russia? What has Russia to do with the inability of our elites to offer hope and better perspective to the idiots who vote for them? What has Russia to do with the mess you created and your being incompetent in any field?

Ari Gold

pre 5 godina

"The Russians, as they do in other places, are very good at making a bad situation worse. That is one of their great skills. This is a place where there are quite a lot of bad situations, and they work on them," Robert Cooper, a former EU diplomat, is quoted as telling the committee.

Demented and idiotic statements like these only show the weakness and impotence of NATO powers to keep their stranglehold on the region forever. I welcome further involvement of Russia, China and even Turkey in the region.

And I'm sick of Western politicians taking credit for investment in the region. Western companies come to the Balkans just like anywhere else to turn a profit. And they will stay there if their business objectives are being met, regardless of where countries sway politically.

Offer great investment opportunities for all, but build political links to the emerging powers of the world.

EU Dude

pre 5 godina

The clear solution is to bring back the British Empire! Nothing but sweetness an light all brought by magnanimous London!

So, the FCO and friends publish a report justifying further interference in the Balkans by the west because the savages cannot be trusted to make the right choices. The FCO has also provided funds for the BBC World Service in Serbian to return after many years and has also announced that it will send more of its 'military advisors' to the region... to help. Whom? Itself of course.

You can be sure that UK will stop anyone else having influence in the region, even if it means destroying it to save it.

Julian Harston

pre 5 godina

And this goes some way to explaining the weakness and failures in UK policy in the Balkans. A policy still based on a picture of the Balkans at the end of the 20th century. And of course the continuing need to justify the illegal bombing of Serbia.unfortunately it matters. The UK still has more influence than it perhaps deserves because of its permanent seat on the Security Council.

Julian Harston

pre 5 godina

And this goes some way to explaining the weakness and failures in UK policy in the Balkans. A policy still based on a picture of the Balkans at the end of the 20th century. And of course the continuing need to justify the illegal bombing of Serbia.unfortunately it matters. The UK still has more influence than it perhaps deserves because of its permanent seat on the Security Council.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 5 godina

The void of EU in western balkans will be filled by Russia China and Turkey? Which void when for the last 30 years our elites have been licking the asses of EU and US economically politically diplomatically socially privately? Western advisers have been attached in any single ministry in our countries. The Eu and Us diplomats are God on earth for any political party in our countries but you know Russia is very good at worsening bad situations! Balkans problems are huge rates of unemployment Balkans problems are our kafene full of young people siping their daily dose of makiato or rakia and desperation and applications for emigrations and you still have the courage to blame Russia? What has Russia to do with the inability of our elites to offer hope and better perspective to the idiots who vote for them? What has Russia to do with the mess you created and your being incompetent in any field?

EU Dude

pre 5 godina

The clear solution is to bring back the British Empire! Nothing but sweetness an light all brought by magnanimous London!

So, the FCO and friends publish a report justifying further interference in the Balkans by the west because the savages cannot be trusted to make the right choices. The FCO has also provided funds for the BBC World Service in Serbian to return after many years and has also announced that it will send more of its 'military advisors' to the region... to help. Whom? Itself of course.

You can be sure that UK will stop anyone else having influence in the region, even if it means destroying it to save it.

Ari Gold

pre 5 godina

"The Russians, as they do in other places, are very good at making a bad situation worse. That is one of their great skills. This is a place where there are quite a lot of bad situations, and they work on them," Robert Cooper, a former EU diplomat, is quoted as telling the committee.

Demented and idiotic statements like these only show the weakness and impotence of NATO powers to keep their stranglehold on the region forever. I welcome further involvement of Russia, China and even Turkey in the region.

And I'm sick of Western politicians taking credit for investment in the region. Western companies come to the Balkans just like anywhere else to turn a profit. And they will stay there if their business objectives are being met, regardless of where countries sway politically.

Offer great investment opportunities for all, but build political links to the emerging powers of the world.

Ian

pre 5 godina

This coming from a country that has pillaged and blackmailed the entirr planet. The nerve of the british is unbelievable. Tey themselves do not even have a democracy as they work day and night to undermine a very recent referendum and try to force the governments will onto the people. Take a look in the mirror, you can easily replace russia with england in this article and everything could actually be proven to be true. Nobody in the world has a bigger touch of death than england.

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 5 godina

Also did anybody see the drunken Juncker at Nato summit and the moment he hits poor Poroshenko? That video represents what has Nato and what has the EU and their mothers euroatlantic perspective has become!! Sir Robert Cooper answer to this simple simple question! For 30 long long years Russia has been absent on the international scene for objective reasons. For 30 long long years you were the winning part of the european history. What prevented you by modernizing your states and by being successful internally and internationally? What prevented you by investing in innovation and economic reforms? With an absent Russia for the last 2 decades west's gdp growth and other economic indicators have gone from bad to very bad. You see degradation and poverty everywhere in Europe. People look like mad very nervous very desperate. The right wing blames immigration and multiculturalism the left is dead and has abandoned what was supposed to be it's electoral base so workers and farmers and comes up with more right wing policies than the right wing does. Why dont you focus on these issues Mr Cooper instead of breaking our d* with your paranoia about Russia? Live with it Russia is here to stay and sincerely sincerely and very sincerely we in the balkans cant wait for Russia to become even more aggressive and to finally make a real REAL aggression on these abandoned lands!

Sreten

pre 5 godina

This is UK parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee report?
Julian Harston, Andy UK....It is obvious that your government is completely overrun by anti-Russian collective paranoia when fake news report constitute the base of government reports.
There is Russian support for destabilizing activities in Bosnia and report "cited media reports in early 2018 that local police were purchasing 'long-barreled weapons' from Russia, ".
It was made up by Guardian and other media carried it on. They said that RS is procuring weapons worth nearly 1 million dollars, and that purchase is arranged without consent from Sarajevo, also wondering why RS police would need million dollars of weapons?
Guardian also stated that RS Police Counter-Terrorism Training Center will open in Zaluzani, near Banja Luka in April where Russian special forces will provide counter-terrorist training in the Serb entity.
Guardian story quickly became a topic in every newspaper in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia...
The story quickly unfolded - Why RS Police need million dollars weapons purchase? Why not? They forgot to mention that Canton Sarajevo Police alone procured 1 million dollars worth of weapons in the same period.
Weapons entered country legally, and Customs permit was issued in Sarajevo, and it wasn't smuggled as Guardian and other UK papers claimed.
Weapons wasn't purchased from Russia, but from Serbia.
Instructors in Zaluzani Training Centre were not from Russia, but from US and EU...

JS

pre 5 godina

"If you have to ask that then you should not be discussing grown ups' issues."

People usually evade a question when they don't have an answer...

JS

pre 5 godina

@ ari Gold

"Demented and idiotic statements like these only show the weakness and impotence of NATO powers to keep their stranglehold on the region forever."

I agree with whoever was posting the humorous "safe places for Serbs." Your comment is a perfect example of why we need to create safe spaces for Serbs, to get away from the deadly "stranglehold" of the Brits.

By the way, what are Brits doing wrong?

Peggy

pre 5 godina

By the way, what are Brits doing wrong?
(JS, 13 July 2018 21:59)
=====================
If you have to ask that then you should not be discussing grown ups' issues.

icj1

pre 5 godina

I welcome further involvement of Russia, China and even Turkey in the region.

And I'm sick of Western politicians taking credit for investment in the region. Western companies come to the Balkans just like anywhere else to turn a profit. And they will stay there if their business objectives are being met, regardless of where countries sway politically.
(Ari Gold, 13 July 2018 14:19)

That's what Chinese companies do, as well, so it's not clear what point you are trying to make, dear!

Julian Harston

pre 5 godina

And this goes some way to explaining the weakness and failures in UK policy in the Balkans. A policy still based on a picture of the Balkans at the end of the 20th century. And of course the continuing need to justify the illegal bombing of Serbia.unfortunately it matters. The UK still has more influence than it perhaps deserves because of its permanent seat on the Security Council.

Ari Gold

pre 5 godina

"The Russians, as they do in other places, are very good at making a bad situation worse. That is one of their great skills. This is a place where there are quite a lot of bad situations, and they work on them," Robert Cooper, a former EU diplomat, is quoted as telling the committee.

Demented and idiotic statements like these only show the weakness and impotence of NATO powers to keep their stranglehold on the region forever. I welcome further involvement of Russia, China and even Turkey in the region.

And I'm sick of Western politicians taking credit for investment in the region. Western companies come to the Balkans just like anywhere else to turn a profit. And they will stay there if their business objectives are being met, regardless of where countries sway politically.

Offer great investment opportunities for all, but build political links to the emerging powers of the world.

EU Dude

pre 5 godina

The clear solution is to bring back the British Empire! Nothing but sweetness an light all brought by magnanimous London!

So, the FCO and friends publish a report justifying further interference in the Balkans by the west because the savages cannot be trusted to make the right choices. The FCO has also provided funds for the BBC World Service in Serbian to return after many years and has also announced that it will send more of its 'military advisors' to the region... to help. Whom? Itself of course.

You can be sure that UK will stop anyone else having influence in the region, even if it means destroying it to save it.

JS

pre 5 godina

@ ari Gold

"Demented and idiotic statements like these only show the weakness and impotence of NATO powers to keep their stranglehold on the region forever."

I agree with whoever was posting the humorous "safe places for Serbs." Your comment is a perfect example of why we need to create safe spaces for Serbs, to get away from the deadly "stranglehold" of the Brits.

By the way, what are Brits doing wrong?

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 5 godina

The void of EU in western balkans will be filled by Russia China and Turkey? Which void when for the last 30 years our elites have been licking the asses of EU and US economically politically diplomatically socially privately? Western advisers have been attached in any single ministry in our countries. The Eu and Us diplomats are God on earth for any political party in our countries but you know Russia is very good at worsening bad situations! Balkans problems are huge rates of unemployment Balkans problems are our kafene full of young people siping their daily dose of makiato or rakia and desperation and applications for emigrations and you still have the courage to blame Russia? What has Russia to do with the inability of our elites to offer hope and better perspective to the idiots who vote for them? What has Russia to do with the mess you created and your being incompetent in any field?

Skenderbeu 1444

pre 5 godina

Also did anybody see the drunken Juncker at Nato summit and the moment he hits poor Poroshenko? That video represents what has Nato and what has the EU and their mothers euroatlantic perspective has become!! Sir Robert Cooper answer to this simple simple question! For 30 long long years Russia has been absent on the international scene for objective reasons. For 30 long long years you were the winning part of the european history. What prevented you by modernizing your states and by being successful internally and internationally? What prevented you by investing in innovation and economic reforms? With an absent Russia for the last 2 decades west's gdp growth and other economic indicators have gone from bad to very bad. You see degradation and poverty everywhere in Europe. People look like mad very nervous very desperate. The right wing blames immigration and multiculturalism the left is dead and has abandoned what was supposed to be it's electoral base so workers and farmers and comes up with more right wing policies than the right wing does. Why dont you focus on these issues Mr Cooper instead of breaking our d* with your paranoia about Russia? Live with it Russia is here to stay and sincerely sincerely and very sincerely we in the balkans cant wait for Russia to become even more aggressive and to finally make a real REAL aggression on these abandoned lands!

Ian

pre 5 godina

This coming from a country that has pillaged and blackmailed the entirr planet. The nerve of the british is unbelievable. Tey themselves do not even have a democracy as they work day and night to undermine a very recent referendum and try to force the governments will onto the people. Take a look in the mirror, you can easily replace russia with england in this article and everything could actually be proven to be true. Nobody in the world has a bigger touch of death than england.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

By the way, what are Brits doing wrong?
(JS, 13 July 2018 21:59)
=====================
If you have to ask that then you should not be discussing grown ups' issues.

Sreten

pre 5 godina

This is UK parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee report?
Julian Harston, Andy UK....It is obvious that your government is completely overrun by anti-Russian collective paranoia when fake news report constitute the base of government reports.
There is Russian support for destabilizing activities in Bosnia and report "cited media reports in early 2018 that local police were purchasing 'long-barreled weapons' from Russia, ".
It was made up by Guardian and other media carried it on. They said that RS is procuring weapons worth nearly 1 million dollars, and that purchase is arranged without consent from Sarajevo, also wondering why RS police would need million dollars of weapons?
Guardian also stated that RS Police Counter-Terrorism Training Center will open in Zaluzani, near Banja Luka in April where Russian special forces will provide counter-terrorist training in the Serb entity.
Guardian story quickly became a topic in every newspaper in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia...
The story quickly unfolded - Why RS Police need million dollars weapons purchase? Why not? They forgot to mention that Canton Sarajevo Police alone procured 1 million dollars worth of weapons in the same period.
Weapons entered country legally, and Customs permit was issued in Sarajevo, and it wasn't smuggled as Guardian and other UK papers claimed.
Weapons wasn't purchased from Russia, but from Serbia.
Instructors in Zaluzani Training Centre were not from Russia, but from US and EU...

JS

pre 5 godina

"If you have to ask that then you should not be discussing grown ups' issues."

People usually evade a question when they don't have an answer...

icj1

pre 5 godina

I welcome further involvement of Russia, China and even Turkey in the region.

And I'm sick of Western politicians taking credit for investment in the region. Western companies come to the Balkans just like anywhere else to turn a profit. And they will stay there if their business objectives are being met, regardless of where countries sway politically.
(Ari Gold, 13 July 2018 14:19)

That's what Chinese companies do, as well, so it's not clear what point you are trying to make, dear!