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Friday, 08.06.2018.

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Report: US to enter Kosovo dialogue?

In addition to France, Germany and the Netherlands, which want to be included in the final stages of the Kosovo dialogue, the US also wants to join the process.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Actually this is historically fact. I did not make it up, but as a Serb once posted on B92 the hardest thing to do is to try and show a stupid person they are stupid..."

We realize this. An "investment banker" from Australia keeps arguing with an imaginary Albanian. Couldn't get any funnier! :)

"Like the funny about Kosovo being on the same level as the rest of Serbia LOL. One of the greatest miracles; no industry or tourism with unemployment over 40% and yet this miracle."

This applies equally to central and southern Serbia, so what's your point, Mr. Investment Banker?

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sj

pre 5 godina

"Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power????"

In your mind, everything is done by the United States. But that's your problem, not mine.
(JS, 13 June 2018 07:03)
Actually this is historically fact. I did not make it up, but as a Serb once posted on B92 the hardest thing to do is to try and show a stupid person they are stupid. I must admit you are the best so far – you don’t know what you are talking about but happy to continue.
Like the funny about Kosovo being on the same level as the rest of Serbia LOL. One of the greatest miracles; no industry or tourism with unemployment over 40% and yet this miracle. Now that using that special Albo calculator LOL.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"As I said your posts are nonsensical but, but devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts."

You are like Dragoljub. You think that because some Croatians were fascists, therefore Croatians are considerably more evil than other people, especially your "holy-chosen-nation" Serbs. And if I had learned this "lesson" then I would know to hate Croatians. This is your type of "historical knowledge." But reality is like David wrote in the Psalms and the Apostle Paul quoted in Romans 3:

"“There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes."

"Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power????"

In your mind, everything is done by the United States. But that's your problem, not mine.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"JS, I can see your brain has been fried by CNN and BBC. The US president calls them fake news."

I agree that CNN and BBC are extremely slanted. They are continuously pushing a super liberal agenda, and are very selective in what they write about. They have a big impact on public opinion, and in a very negative direction.

The problem is that Sputnik and others are just as much propaganda machines; just pushing public opinion in another direction with probably equally dishonest "journalism."

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Concerned Albanian

pre 5 godina

Yugoslavia's break up was imminent. If only politicians from both sides of the realm had made it happen on better terms. History repeats itself. Every nation tries to manipulate the weaker states.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Everything about Kosovo is exaggeration my little Albo. Look at Croatia where they claim the minimum annual salary is US$20,587, but 50,000 Croats left Croatia in 2017. Its PPP is $24,000 but still thousands left. In 2016 40,000 lost their jobs and in 2017 it was 60,000."

And everything in Serbia is exaggerated. I have gone through the statistics published by the Serbian government and talked with neighbors about the numbers and they do not reasonably match how many people actually and what amount people actually earn. It is the same everywhere: governments strongly tend to inflate statistics. So I don't see your point.

"Instead of ranting on about the same as central Serbia, I asked how do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry? Come on little Albo answer the question. How do they earn money apart from drug trafficking?????"

Still trying to discredit me by calling me an Albanian.

I live in Serbia, work in Serbia, raise a family in Serbia, welcome foreign guests to Serbia, work with my Serbian neighbors, cultivate my land and cut firewood in Serbia....while you sit in your office chair in a western country debating with non-existent Albanians. You are the envy of the world!

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ ChiTown

"Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.
(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)

JS, yet oddly you make the same exaggeration when comparing Kosovo to Serbia."

First, Kosovo is 8.4 times richer than Somalia. That is a big difference from the 1.46 times that Serbia is richer than Kosovo.

But we need to keep in mind Peggy's overwhelming wisdom when she reminds us that a real Serb isn't just a person who lives in Serbia (even for generations), speaks the language, and has the citizenship and passport...so that disqualifies nearly everyone in Vojvodina, the most prosperous part of the country. So, keeping ultranationalism in mind, yes "real Serbia" probably has the exact same GDP per capita as Kosovo.

So what are you ultranationalists squawking about?

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

JS, I can see your brain has been fried by CNN and BBC. The US president calls them fake news.
(Zoran, 12 June 2018 11:16)

You seem to know a thing or two about CNN and BBC. Look after your brain.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 11 June 2018 22:27)

Have a little backbone and stop posing as a Serb. I don’t pose as an Albo.

As I said your posts are nonsensical but, but devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts.
“In Iraq, to topple a dictator. In Syria, for humanitarian purposes. “

Topple a dictator and humanitarian reason ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. Don’t strain your brain by thinking too much. Humanitarian reasons ha,ha,ha.
If that was the case, why didn’t the US go into Rwanda – that was truly a humanitarian crisis? Next you will tell me that Santa Claus exists, opps you’re a Muslim so I take that back.

Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power???? Probably not since your mind does not go beyond $12.50.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)
Here are only a small portion of those “magical” investments by outside companies.

Zumtobel, Zopapas, Continental Tyres, Leoni, Chandry Group, Perutnna, JB Soulier, Tonnies, Ikea, Siemens, JLB Soulier; Blue Sky, Schneider Electrics, Turkish textile plants, Mei Ta, Vorwerk Autotec, TAFE.

Then there is Rakita Exploration [Canadian Nevsun (Resources)] and BHPBilliton.

Instead of ranting on about the same as central Serbia, I asked how do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry? Come on little Albo answer the question. How do they earn money apart from drug trafficking?????

China changed from pure communism under Deng Xiaoping because the old system did not work. It had nothing to do with the west. The current Chinese economy is EXACTLY the same as it was during Clinton’s time.
Everything about Kosovo is exaggeration my little Albo. Look at Croatia where they claim the minimum annual salary is US$20,587, but 50,000 Croats left Croatia in 2017. Its PPP is $24,000 but still thousands left. In 2016 40,000 lost their jobs and in 2017 it was 60,000.

When they quote that the US has only 4.1% unemployed even Trump does not believe it.

Kosovo’s growth last year was 4% and this year its projected to rise to 4.8%. How does it achieve that when there is no industry????

Note that when our little Albo, who poses as a “Serb”, can’t debate its back to the Russian troll farm LOL.

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ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.
(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)

JS, yet oddly you make the same exaggeration when comparing Kosovo to Serbia. Don't be a hypocrite... looks like you learned well at the Albanian/West Troll farm.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Since I have overestimated the number of foreign investments made in Serbia please enlighten me as to where I have overestimated?"

I doubt anyone on this forum knows where you magically come up with all these non-existent foreign investments that you refer to.

"How do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry there? And you reply “The same way most Serbs earn an income”. In Kosovo farming is very limited and government jobs are scarce, so what do they do apart from traffic in drugs???…??"

It's the same in central and southern Serbia so I don't know what you have to brag about, especially since you aren't a real Serb anyways.

"...say the US, EU, and others forced difficult changes to the Chinese economy for them to participate. What were those changes forced on China?"

If you don't know how China's economy changed since they were a purer communist country then you need more help than I can provide.

"Love the part how Kosovo economy is on the same level as the rest of Serbia. Try Somalia."

Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"...everything was staged from Rambouillet to Racak."

This is normally called a conspiracy theory.

"The US was hell bent on bombing Serbia, it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that."

I never met a single person during the more than three decades that I lived in the United States who could be considered "hell bent" on bombing Serbia.

"...it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that. Much like the Iraqis and the invasion they experienced using false information as justification."

The US military toppled Saddam's corrupt regime. It was not an attack on civilians. Yes, radical Muslims resisted the invasion but they're the same people you call terrorists so I don't see the point of your criticism of the US invasion.

"...calling me a radical Serb just puts you in the same boat as the radical Albanians."

Acting like a radical Serb nationalist puts a person in the same boat as a radical Albanian, radical Croatian, or radical whatever.

"It's the US and Albanians that are not interested, which is why I'm laughing. With reconciliation comes truth and do you really expect the truth to come out?"

Why wouldn't I want it to? I am not a nationalist of any type. I have nothing to defend.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"If you’re a Serb, then I’m French my Albo friend. Your terrible at concealing your Alboism."

As far as I'm concerned it is better that you stay in Australia. We don't need you poisining the minds of our Serbian youth.

"Your posts are nonsensical since you have no idea what you are talking about but bursting at the seams to say something."

Bursting at the seams. Uh huh. Continue rambling... :)

"Your amateurish and laughable in your pathetic attempts to carry a conversion that is devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts."

Thank you! :)

"All Empires behave in the same manner and the US is no better or worse."

Then why do you rant and rave like a madman?

"Why did the US go into Iraq? Or why is the US involved in Syria? Most interested to hear your reply."

In Iraq, to topple a dictator. In Syria, for humanitarian purposes. But the US is barely engaged in Syria. If they had fully engaged like in Iraq, they would have crushed the Assad regime in no time flat. But the US took it easy because there isn't any purpose in getting in the middle of an inter-Islamic war. Oh, but you are a conspiracy theorist like Zoran, so you will probably write about some crazy nonsense that somehow the United States created the civil war in Syria.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 22:26)
If you’re a Serb, then I’m French my Albo friend. Your terrible at concealing your Alboism.
Your posts are nonsensical since you have no idea what you are talking about but bursting at the seams to say something. Your amateurish and laughable in your pathetic attempts to carry a conversion that is devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts. Your entire understanding of finance is based on $12.50 an hour and how the burger flippers makes more money than a Serb cab driver.
All Empires behave in the same manner and the US is no better or worse. Why did the US go into Iraq? Or why is the US involved in Syria? Most interested to hear your reply.
Since I have overestimated the number of foreign investments made in Serbia please enlighten me as to where I have overestimated?
How do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry there? And you reply “The same way most Serbs earn an income”. In Kosovo farming is very limited and government jobs are scarce, so what do they do apart from traffic in drugs???????????

Since you well appraised on how China gained access to the WTO, and say the US, EU, and others forced difficult changes to the Chinese economy for them to participate. What were those changes forced on China?
Love the part how Kosovo economy is on the same level as the rest of Serbia. Try Somalia.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

And the West also classified some Serbian actions in a similar manner. That's why they started bombing. So what's your point?

Without reconciliation, there is no hope for the future. But I guess you and other radical Serbs enjoy it that way.
(JS, 11 June 2018 10:26)
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You are obviously missing the big picture, like I already mentioned, Victoria Nuland stated back in 2016 that the US had been investing in Kosovo's independence for 20 years, meaning starting back in 1995/6. It didn't matter what the Serbs did, it was obvious the US was working with Albanians to achieve their goal and looking at events, it's obvious, at least to those paying attention, that everything was staged from Rambouillet to Racak. The US was hell bent on bombing Serbia, it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that. Much like the Iraqis and the invasion they experienced using false information as justification.

As for reconciliation, calling me a radical Serb just puts you in the same boat as the radical Albanians. It's not me who doesn't want reconciliation, I've called for it many time. It's the US and Albanians that are not interested, which is why I'm laughing. With reconciliation comes truth and do you really expect the truth to come out?

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"I was referring to the OSCE reports, which specifically stated acts of terrorism were being conducted by the KLA/Albanians. Look them up and see for yourself - OSCE KVM."

And the West also classified some Serbian actions in a similar manner. That's why they started bombing. So what's your point?

"Reconciliation? Who is trying to reconcile Serbs and Albanians? LOL!"

Without reconciliation, there is no hope for the future. But I guess you and other radical Serbs enjoy it that way.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

It is easy to call everyone on the other side of the conflict terrorists. But that won't bring you closer to truth or reconciliation.
(JS, 9 June 2018 15:14)
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I was referring to the OSCE reports, which specifically stated acts of terrorism were being conducted by the KLA/Albanians. Look them up and see for yourself - OSCE KVM.

Reconciliation? Who is trying to reconcile Serbs and Albanians? LOL!

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"Ummm, there was no civil war."

It is easy to call everyone on the other side of the conflict terrorists. But that won't bring you closer to truth or reconciliation.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

The only purpose I know of for US intervention in Kosovo is to stop the civil war and deal with the behavior of Milosević.
(JS, 8 June 2018 13:22)
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Ummm, there was no civil war. Kosovo had OSCE observers on the ground, reporting lots of terrorist activity by the KLA, but otherwise it was relatively peaceful. Serbia was given an ultimatum, sign Rambouillet or else and then came the Racak hoax. All Albanians were in Kosovo until NATO start dropping bombs, and then the fake news press worked overtime, trying to blame the Serbs for all seeking refugee status in the west.

But look, we know all about the fake news press, even the US president keep reminding us. Same culprits, CNN, BBC, etc...

But look, the US has been investing in Kosovo's independence since about 1995/96 so who is to blame? Check -> https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=07&dd=14&nav_id=98620

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Yep I my little Albo Serb LO I saw all the new Buildings but too bad they all housed the EU or US people."

Your imagination at work.

"Of course, everything is exaggerated..."

We agree!

"...but please tell us how the Kosovars manage to make a living when there is no industry?"

The same way most Serbs earn an income, my dear absent Westerner with Serb ancestry.

"Ok Kosovo has one of the worst economies in Europe. Then who are in the same league in Europe?"

Serbia and Albania.

"Its wonderful here on the Russian troll farm LOL."

Yeah, full of bitterness and hatred. That sounds like pure bliss!

"What does that have to do with what I have said?"

Because in every case you claim the US is evil, invading and stealing minerals. Eventually you will apply your one-size-fits-all answer to a place where it could not possibly apply. And then we will all laugh at you. Oh, whoops, we already are! ;)

"OK they stopped Milosevic’s behaviour, but why invest in Serbia when Albos are their bootlicks?"

You have things backwards here. For one, you are overestimating the number of investments being made in Serbia.

"Surely they would help you out by improving your standard of llving?"

According to you, the United States is because I am an ethnic Serb living in Serbia, unlike you who comes as a visitor.

"Is there a branch in Kosova?"

I don't know because I don't live there. Do you? ;)

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Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

Actually the truth is that billions of dollars were invested after the war. It only takes one drive around Kosovo to figure this out. So your reasoning is false. The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity. I just don't understand why they wanted Kosovo when they can't even figure out how to have a functioning state in Albania.
(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)

Nothing has changed, Yugoslavia pumped money into Kosovo and it was still as cesspool because it was run by Albanian Communists. EU is now pumping money into Kosovo which is now run by Albanian Terrorists. Kosovo is poor because its Albanian leaders are corrupt at the expense of its citizens.

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C

pre 5 godina

Yup the western powers getting together again to dicktate to the Balkans Again. The Albanians got efed at all these conferences and dialogues going all the way back to the 1800s, nothing will change.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

I have seen a dozen times where mines/mineral deposits are sold by a country and the local people hope that the mine will provide employment to locals only to have the new owners bring in outside crews on fourteen-day rotation and locals get nothing...
(sj, 8 June 2018 13:15)

So, since you are adamant that you have seen it happening a dozen times - as you said it at least twice - and you have also seen the owners bring in outside crews - as you put it - on 14 day rotation, then, for you to be fully sure you are not BS-ing us, you MUST have steared at the mines/mineral deposits - to use your words - at least 12 cycles of 14 day each. So, you have gazed at this phenomenon in Kosova for 168 days.

When did you do your investment banking mate?

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 13:22)

Yep I my little Albo Serb LO I saw all the new Buildings but too bad they all housed the EU or US people.

Of course, everything is exaggerated but please tell us how the Kosovars manage to make a living when there is no industry?

Ok Kosovo has one of the worst economies in Europe. Then who are in the same league in Europe? Now no gibberish just answer the question? Its wonderful here on the Russian troll farm LOL.

And you would probably also say the US invaded Afghanistan for the oil and to control the railroad system.

What does that have to do with what I have said? Are all Albos like you dyslexic? LOL??????? When unable to answer out comes the gibberish LOL??????

OK they stopped Milosevic’s behaviour, but why invest in Serbia when Albos are their bootlicks? Surely they would help you out by improving your standard of llving? Now name all the industry that the US/EU moved to Kosova? For example, Continental tyres have recently opened for business in Serbia. Its employing close to 1,000 Serbs and there are plenty of companies. Is there a branch in Kosova?

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity.
(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)
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To be honest, if you drive from Mitrovica to Pristina, you'll see lots of turbo mansions built. The politicians and corrupt officials have used the funds, for their own benefit, but it's visible.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 12:56)

Ahh our resident Italian Albo has difficulties in English. Well I’ll see if I can make it as simple as him so even he can understand.

I went to Kosovo in 2015.

I have seen a dozen times where mines/mineral deposits are sold by a country and the local people hope that the mine will provide employment to locals only to have the new owners bring in outside crews on fourteen-day rotation and locals get nothing.

Meanwhile the new owners of the mine bribe local politicians and there are no problems.

Now name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"went to Kosovo in 2015 and saw all the billions invested by the west LOL."

You're such a faithful Serb, came as a tourist in 2015. You should be proud of yourself...

You only needed to open your eyes to see all the new buildings.


"Living standards are one of the worst in the world since there are no jobs."

Exaggeration. One of the worst in Europe, not the world. But I see you learned quickly when you were trained in the Russian troll farm.

"What people like you don’t understand is that Kosovars never had a chance to start off with mate. The west is only interested in the Russians influence in the Balkans – they don’t give a flying fig about anything else."

Not everyone is obsessed with Russia and the US like you...

"Once the assets come on sale it’s all over red rover. Minerals will be mined by fly-in/fly-out crews and bribe money will put into your politicians’ pockets while the rest live off money sent in by relatives working in the EU."

And you would probably also say the US invaded Afghanistan for the oil and to control the railroad system...

"Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date."

It isn't the responsibility of a foreign country to set up industries. The only purpose I know of for US intervention in Kosovo is to stop the civil war and deal with the behavior of Milosević.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 5 godina

Please give is more of that!
(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 12:56)

Tom, you’ve resorted to posting gibberish, that remains meaningless despite the inappropriate exclamation mark. Perhaps you should modify your abuse of punctuation marks the next time you change your moniker.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)

I went to Kosovo in 2015 and saw all the billions invested by the west LOL. Living standards are one of the worst in the world since there are no jobs.

What people like you don’t understand is that Kosovars never had a chance to start off with mate. The west is only interested in the Russians influence in the Balkans – they don’t give a flying fig about anything else. Once the assets come on sale it’s all over red rover. Minerals will be mined by fly-in/fly-out crews and bribe money will put into your politicians’ pockets while the rest live off money sent in by relatives working in the EU.

I have seen it a dozen times.

Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.

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sj

pre 5 godina

I notice, you are again investing fictive funds in Serbia. You must have been crap at Monopoly.
(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 11:23)

Well our Italian Albo comes out from his hiding place. You and icj1 have to be related since no one can come out with the same stupid lines over and over again and not be blood relatives.

OK, they are fictive funds, but how much has the west invested in Kosova to date. Name all the firms that have opened shop in Albo heaven. Is it MIcrosft? Perhaps Ford or GM?

This should be good fro a laugh LOL.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... I have seen it a dozen times.

Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.
(sj, 8 June 2018 12:40)

So, you have seen it a dozen time in two times you allegedly went to Kosova in 2015?

It doesn't add up again mate! Please give is more of that!

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

If the so called dialogue is a dictat to Serbia and requires no concession from the criminal bigots in Pristina, why are the latter so concerned about format and advisers?
Further, perhaps someone should ask the South Vietnamese, Georgians, Kurds, ISIL, Kashmir Pakistanese, Koreans, et al, on the extent of back-stabbing support one may expect from the USA.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in?"

I agree that the Russians would probably join if the US would participate.

"I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia."

How are Albanians doing this? I think you are exaggerating.

"Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it."

Actually the truth is that billions of dollars were invested after the war. It only takes one drive around Kosovo to figure this out. So your reasoning is false. The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity. I just don't understand why they wanted Kosovo when they can't even figure out how to have a functioning state in Albania.

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sj

pre 5 godina

Russians said they're ready, but Vucic knows well they're not apart of it. Therefore, Russians will have to sit this one out in s corner like a fat kid who is not invited to lunch.

Vucic knows what he has been told, Russians have to stay out of it for Serbia to even have a slight hope of joking EU

I know Serbs say it a lot we don't care about EU, or West in general, yet they keep migrating to western countries all the time.

Isn't that ironic?
(Guest, 8 June 2018 10:38)

Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in? I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia. Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in? I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia. Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it.
(sj, 8 June 2018 11:04)

I notice, you are again investing fictive funds in Serbia. You must have been crap at Monopoly.

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Smart Serb

pre 5 godina

Americans are never far from meddling in other nations affairs.
This disgusting U.S government has nothing good to offer Serbia.
F#*k Off U.S.A

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

Isn't that ironic?
(Guest, 8 June 2018 10:38)
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What's ironic is that Albanians love the west, do everything they ask and when they try to migrate, they keep getting sent back. They have no EU perspective and no investments coming from those they love. Why does "evil" Serbia keep getting everything? LOL!

If the US joins, so will Russia, no doubt about that. The whole negotiation process is a complete joke, there is no point continuing when Albanians can't even commit to the agreement. Spain and a few EU members are now causing problems. Might as well take it back to the UN.

I am doubtful an agreement will come forth. As far as I'm concerned, the frozen conflict stays until the geopolitical situation is firmly in Serbia's favour. Looking at the way the western alliance is falling apart, I don't think it's too far away, thus the rush (from the west) to get some kind of agreement.

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Guest

pre 5 godina

Russians will not be allowed to be apart of this discussion.

*Notice

Russians said they're ready, but Vucic knows well they're not apart of it. Therefore, Russians will have to sit this one out in s corner like a fat kid who is not invited to lunch.

Vucic knows what he has been told, Russians have to stay out of it for Serbia to even have a slight hope of joking EU

I know Serbs say it a lot we don't care about EU, or West in general, yet they keep migrating to western countries all the time.

Isn't that ironic?

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in? I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia. Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it.
(sj, 8 June 2018 11:04)

I notice, you are again investing fictive funds in Serbia. You must have been crap at Monopoly.

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Guest

pre 5 godina

Russians will not be allowed to be apart of this discussion.

*Notice

Russians said they're ready, but Vucic knows well they're not apart of it. Therefore, Russians will have to sit this one out in s corner like a fat kid who is not invited to lunch.

Vucic knows what he has been told, Russians have to stay out of it for Serbia to even have a slight hope of joking EU

I know Serbs say it a lot we don't care about EU, or West in general, yet they keep migrating to western countries all the time.

Isn't that ironic?

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Smart Serb

pre 5 godina

Americans are never far from meddling in other nations affairs.
This disgusting U.S government has nothing good to offer Serbia.
F#*k Off U.S.A

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... I have seen it a dozen times.

Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.
(sj, 8 June 2018 12:40)

So, you have seen it a dozen time in two times you allegedly went to Kosova in 2015?

It doesn't add up again mate! Please give is more of that!

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 5 godina

Please give is more of that!
(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 12:56)

Tom, you’ve resorted to posting gibberish, that remains meaningless despite the inappropriate exclamation mark. Perhaps you should modify your abuse of punctuation marks the next time you change your moniker.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

Isn't that ironic?
(Guest, 8 June 2018 10:38)
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What's ironic is that Albanians love the west, do everything they ask and when they try to migrate, they keep getting sent back. They have no EU perspective and no investments coming from those they love. Why does "evil" Serbia keep getting everything? LOL!

If the US joins, so will Russia, no doubt about that. The whole negotiation process is a complete joke, there is no point continuing when Albanians can't even commit to the agreement. Spain and a few EU members are now causing problems. Might as well take it back to the UN.

I am doubtful an agreement will come forth. As far as I'm concerned, the frozen conflict stays until the geopolitical situation is firmly in Serbia's favour. Looking at the way the western alliance is falling apart, I don't think it's too far away, thus the rush (from the west) to get some kind of agreement.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity.
(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)
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To be honest, if you drive from Mitrovica to Pristina, you'll see lots of turbo mansions built. The politicians and corrupt officials have used the funds, for their own benefit, but it's visible.

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Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

Actually the truth is that billions of dollars were invested after the war. It only takes one drive around Kosovo to figure this out. So your reasoning is false. The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity. I just don't understand why they wanted Kosovo when they can't even figure out how to have a functioning state in Albania.
(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)

Nothing has changed, Yugoslavia pumped money into Kosovo and it was still as cesspool because it was run by Albanian Communists. EU is now pumping money into Kosovo which is now run by Albanian Terrorists. Kosovo is poor because its Albanian leaders are corrupt at the expense of its citizens.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

If the so called dialogue is a dictat to Serbia and requires no concession from the criminal bigots in Pristina, why are the latter so concerned about format and advisers?
Further, perhaps someone should ask the South Vietnamese, Georgians, Kurds, ISIL, Kashmir Pakistanese, Koreans, et al, on the extent of back-stabbing support one may expect from the USA.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in?"

I agree that the Russians would probably join if the US would participate.

"I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia."

How are Albanians doing this? I think you are exaggerating.

"Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it."

Actually the truth is that billions of dollars were invested after the war. It only takes one drive around Kosovo to figure this out. So your reasoning is false. The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity. I just don't understand why they wanted Kosovo when they can't even figure out how to have a functioning state in Albania.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 13:22)

Yep I my little Albo Serb LO I saw all the new Buildings but too bad they all housed the EU or US people.

Of course, everything is exaggerated but please tell us how the Kosovars manage to make a living when there is no industry?

Ok Kosovo has one of the worst economies in Europe. Then who are in the same league in Europe? Now no gibberish just answer the question? Its wonderful here on the Russian troll farm LOL.

And you would probably also say the US invaded Afghanistan for the oil and to control the railroad system.

What does that have to do with what I have said? Are all Albos like you dyslexic? LOL??????? When unable to answer out comes the gibberish LOL??????

OK they stopped Milosevic’s behaviour, but why invest in Serbia when Albos are their bootlicks? Surely they would help you out by improving your standard of llving? Now name all the industry that the US/EU moved to Kosova? For example, Continental tyres have recently opened for business in Serbia. Its employing close to 1,000 Serbs and there are plenty of companies. Is there a branch in Kosova?

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

I have seen a dozen times where mines/mineral deposits are sold by a country and the local people hope that the mine will provide employment to locals only to have the new owners bring in outside crews on fourteen-day rotation and locals get nothing...
(sj, 8 June 2018 13:15)

So, since you are adamant that you have seen it happening a dozen times - as you said it at least twice - and you have also seen the owners bring in outside crews - as you put it - on 14 day rotation, then, for you to be fully sure you are not BS-ing us, you MUST have steared at the mines/mineral deposits - to use your words - at least 12 cycles of 14 day each. So, you have gazed at this phenomenon in Kosova for 168 days.

When did you do your investment banking mate?

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

The only purpose I know of for US intervention in Kosovo is to stop the civil war and deal with the behavior of Milosević.
(JS, 8 June 2018 13:22)
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Ummm, there was no civil war. Kosovo had OSCE observers on the ground, reporting lots of terrorist activity by the KLA, but otherwise it was relatively peaceful. Serbia was given an ultimatum, sign Rambouillet or else and then came the Racak hoax. All Albanians were in Kosovo until NATO start dropping bombs, and then the fake news press worked overtime, trying to blame the Serbs for all seeking refugee status in the west.

But look, we know all about the fake news press, even the US president keep reminding us. Same culprits, CNN, BBC, etc...

But look, the US has been investing in Kosovo's independence since about 1995/96 so who is to blame? Check -> https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=07&dd=14&nav_id=98620

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sj

pre 5 godina

Russians said they're ready, but Vucic knows well they're not apart of it. Therefore, Russians will have to sit this one out in s corner like a fat kid who is not invited to lunch.

Vucic knows what he has been told, Russians have to stay out of it for Serbia to even have a slight hope of joking EU

I know Serbs say it a lot we don't care about EU, or West in general, yet they keep migrating to western countries all the time.

Isn't that ironic?
(Guest, 8 June 2018 10:38)

Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in? I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia. Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it.

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sj

pre 5 godina

I notice, you are again investing fictive funds in Serbia. You must have been crap at Monopoly.
(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 11:23)

Well our Italian Albo comes out from his hiding place. You and icj1 have to be related since no one can come out with the same stupid lines over and over again and not be blood relatives.

OK, they are fictive funds, but how much has the west invested in Kosova to date. Name all the firms that have opened shop in Albo heaven. Is it MIcrosft? Perhaps Ford or GM?

This should be good fro a laugh LOL.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 12:56)

Ahh our resident Italian Albo has difficulties in English. Well I’ll see if I can make it as simple as him so even he can understand.

I went to Kosovo in 2015.

I have seen a dozen times where mines/mineral deposits are sold by a country and the local people hope that the mine will provide employment to locals only to have the new owners bring in outside crews on fourteen-day rotation and locals get nothing.

Meanwhile the new owners of the mine bribe local politicians and there are no problems.

Now name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"went to Kosovo in 2015 and saw all the billions invested by the west LOL."

You're such a faithful Serb, came as a tourist in 2015. You should be proud of yourself...

You only needed to open your eyes to see all the new buildings.


"Living standards are one of the worst in the world since there are no jobs."

Exaggeration. One of the worst in Europe, not the world. But I see you learned quickly when you were trained in the Russian troll farm.

"What people like you don’t understand is that Kosovars never had a chance to start off with mate. The west is only interested in the Russians influence in the Balkans – they don’t give a flying fig about anything else."

Not everyone is obsessed with Russia and the US like you...

"Once the assets come on sale it’s all over red rover. Minerals will be mined by fly-in/fly-out crews and bribe money will put into your politicians’ pockets while the rest live off money sent in by relatives working in the EU."

And you would probably also say the US invaded Afghanistan for the oil and to control the railroad system...

"Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date."

It isn't the responsibility of a foreign country to set up industries. The only purpose I know of for US intervention in Kosovo is to stop the civil war and deal with the behavior of Milosević.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)

I went to Kosovo in 2015 and saw all the billions invested by the west LOL. Living standards are one of the worst in the world since there are no jobs.

What people like you don’t understand is that Kosovars never had a chance to start off with mate. The west is only interested in the Russians influence in the Balkans – they don’t give a flying fig about anything else. Once the assets come on sale it’s all over red rover. Minerals will be mined by fly-in/fly-out crews and bribe money will put into your politicians’ pockets while the rest live off money sent in by relatives working in the EU.

I have seen it a dozen times.

Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Yep I my little Albo Serb LO I saw all the new Buildings but too bad they all housed the EU or US people."

Your imagination at work.

"Of course, everything is exaggerated..."

We agree!

"...but please tell us how the Kosovars manage to make a living when there is no industry?"

The same way most Serbs earn an income, my dear absent Westerner with Serb ancestry.

"Ok Kosovo has one of the worst economies in Europe. Then who are in the same league in Europe?"

Serbia and Albania.

"Its wonderful here on the Russian troll farm LOL."

Yeah, full of bitterness and hatred. That sounds like pure bliss!

"What does that have to do with what I have said?"

Because in every case you claim the US is evil, invading and stealing minerals. Eventually you will apply your one-size-fits-all answer to a place where it could not possibly apply. And then we will all laugh at you. Oh, whoops, we already are! ;)

"OK they stopped Milosevic’s behaviour, but why invest in Serbia when Albos are their bootlicks?"

You have things backwards here. For one, you are overestimating the number of investments being made in Serbia.

"Surely they would help you out by improving your standard of llving?"

According to you, the United States is because I am an ethnic Serb living in Serbia, unlike you who comes as a visitor.

"Is there a branch in Kosova?"

I don't know because I don't live there. Do you? ;)

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"Ummm, there was no civil war."

It is easy to call everyone on the other side of the conflict terrorists. But that won't bring you closer to truth or reconciliation.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

And the West also classified some Serbian actions in a similar manner. That's why they started bombing. So what's your point?

Without reconciliation, there is no hope for the future. But I guess you and other radical Serbs enjoy it that way.
(JS, 11 June 2018 10:26)
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You are obviously missing the big picture, like I already mentioned, Victoria Nuland stated back in 2016 that the US had been investing in Kosovo's independence for 20 years, meaning starting back in 1995/6. It didn't matter what the Serbs did, it was obvious the US was working with Albanians to achieve their goal and looking at events, it's obvious, at least to those paying attention, that everything was staged from Rambouillet to Racak. The US was hell bent on bombing Serbia, it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that. Much like the Iraqis and the invasion they experienced using false information as justification.

As for reconciliation, calling me a radical Serb just puts you in the same boat as the radical Albanians. It's not me who doesn't want reconciliation, I've called for it many time. It's the US and Albanians that are not interested, which is why I'm laughing. With reconciliation comes truth and do you really expect the truth to come out?

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

It is easy to call everyone on the other side of the conflict terrorists. But that won't bring you closer to truth or reconciliation.
(JS, 9 June 2018 15:14)
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I was referring to the OSCE reports, which specifically stated acts of terrorism were being conducted by the KLA/Albanians. Look them up and see for yourself - OSCE KVM.

Reconciliation? Who is trying to reconcile Serbs and Albanians? LOL!

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Since I have overestimated the number of foreign investments made in Serbia please enlighten me as to where I have overestimated?"

I doubt anyone on this forum knows where you magically come up with all these non-existent foreign investments that you refer to.

"How do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry there? And you reply “The same way most Serbs earn an income”. In Kosovo farming is very limited and government jobs are scarce, so what do they do apart from traffic in drugs???…??"

It's the same in central and southern Serbia so I don't know what you have to brag about, especially since you aren't a real Serb anyways.

"...say the US, EU, and others forced difficult changes to the Chinese economy for them to participate. What were those changes forced on China?"

If you don't know how China's economy changed since they were a purer communist country then you need more help than I can provide.

"Love the part how Kosovo economy is on the same level as the rest of Serbia. Try Somalia."

Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.

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C

pre 5 godina

Yup the western powers getting together again to dicktate to the Balkans Again. The Albanians got efed at all these conferences and dialogues going all the way back to the 1800s, nothing will change.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 22:26)
If you’re a Serb, then I’m French my Albo friend. Your terrible at concealing your Alboism.
Your posts are nonsensical since you have no idea what you are talking about but bursting at the seams to say something. Your amateurish and laughable in your pathetic attempts to carry a conversion that is devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts. Your entire understanding of finance is based on $12.50 an hour and how the burger flippers makes more money than a Serb cab driver.
All Empires behave in the same manner and the US is no better or worse. Why did the US go into Iraq? Or why is the US involved in Syria? Most interested to hear your reply.
Since I have overestimated the number of foreign investments made in Serbia please enlighten me as to where I have overestimated?
How do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry there? And you reply “The same way most Serbs earn an income”. In Kosovo farming is very limited and government jobs are scarce, so what do they do apart from traffic in drugs???????????

Since you well appraised on how China gained access to the WTO, and say the US, EU, and others forced difficult changes to the Chinese economy for them to participate. What were those changes forced on China?
Love the part how Kosovo economy is on the same level as the rest of Serbia. Try Somalia.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"I was referring to the OSCE reports, which specifically stated acts of terrorism were being conducted by the KLA/Albanians. Look them up and see for yourself - OSCE KVM."

And the West also classified some Serbian actions in a similar manner. That's why they started bombing. So what's your point?

"Reconciliation? Who is trying to reconcile Serbs and Albanians? LOL!"

Without reconciliation, there is no hope for the future. But I guess you and other radical Serbs enjoy it that way.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)
Here are only a small portion of those “magical” investments by outside companies.

Zumtobel, Zopapas, Continental Tyres, Leoni, Chandry Group, Perutnna, JB Soulier, Tonnies, Ikea, Siemens, JLB Soulier; Blue Sky, Schneider Electrics, Turkish textile plants, Mei Ta, Vorwerk Autotec, TAFE.

Then there is Rakita Exploration [Canadian Nevsun (Resources)] and BHPBilliton.

Instead of ranting on about the same as central Serbia, I asked how do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry? Come on little Albo answer the question. How do they earn money apart from drug trafficking?????

China changed from pure communism under Deng Xiaoping because the old system did not work. It had nothing to do with the west. The current Chinese economy is EXACTLY the same as it was during Clinton’s time.
Everything about Kosovo is exaggeration my little Albo. Look at Croatia where they claim the minimum annual salary is US$20,587, but 50,000 Croats left Croatia in 2017. Its PPP is $24,000 but still thousands left. In 2016 40,000 lost their jobs and in 2017 it was 60,000.

When they quote that the US has only 4.1% unemployed even Trump does not believe it.

Kosovo’s growth last year was 4% and this year its projected to rise to 4.8%. How does it achieve that when there is no industry????

Note that when our little Albo, who poses as a “Serb”, can’t debate its back to the Russian troll farm LOL.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

JS, I can see your brain has been fried by CNN and BBC. The US president calls them fake news.
(Zoran, 12 June 2018 11:16)

You seem to know a thing or two about CNN and BBC. Look after your brain.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"...everything was staged from Rambouillet to Racak."

This is normally called a conspiracy theory.

"The US was hell bent on bombing Serbia, it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that."

I never met a single person during the more than three decades that I lived in the United States who could be considered "hell bent" on bombing Serbia.

"...it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that. Much like the Iraqis and the invasion they experienced using false information as justification."

The US military toppled Saddam's corrupt regime. It was not an attack on civilians. Yes, radical Muslims resisted the invasion but they're the same people you call terrorists so I don't see the point of your criticism of the US invasion.

"...calling me a radical Serb just puts you in the same boat as the radical Albanians."

Acting like a radical Serb nationalist puts a person in the same boat as a radical Albanian, radical Croatian, or radical whatever.

"It's the US and Albanians that are not interested, which is why I'm laughing. With reconciliation comes truth and do you really expect the truth to come out?"

Why wouldn't I want it to? I am not a nationalist of any type. I have nothing to defend.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"If you’re a Serb, then I’m French my Albo friend. Your terrible at concealing your Alboism."

As far as I'm concerned it is better that you stay in Australia. We don't need you poisining the minds of our Serbian youth.

"Your posts are nonsensical since you have no idea what you are talking about but bursting at the seams to say something."

Bursting at the seams. Uh huh. Continue rambling... :)

"Your amateurish and laughable in your pathetic attempts to carry a conversion that is devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts."

Thank you! :)

"All Empires behave in the same manner and the US is no better or worse."

Then why do you rant and rave like a madman?

"Why did the US go into Iraq? Or why is the US involved in Syria? Most interested to hear your reply."

In Iraq, to topple a dictator. In Syria, for humanitarian purposes. But the US is barely engaged in Syria. If they had fully engaged like in Iraq, they would have crushed the Assad regime in no time flat. But the US took it easy because there isn't any purpose in getting in the middle of an inter-Islamic war. Oh, but you are a conspiracy theorist like Zoran, so you will probably write about some crazy nonsense that somehow the United States created the civil war in Syria.

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ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.
(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)

JS, yet oddly you make the same exaggeration when comparing Kosovo to Serbia. Don't be a hypocrite... looks like you learned well at the Albanian/West Troll farm.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"As I said your posts are nonsensical but, but devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts."

You are like Dragoljub. You think that because some Croatians were fascists, therefore Croatians are considerably more evil than other people, especially your "holy-chosen-nation" Serbs. And if I had learned this "lesson" then I would know to hate Croatians. This is your type of "historical knowledge." But reality is like David wrote in the Psalms and the Apostle Paul quoted in Romans 3:

"“There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes."

"Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power????"

In your mind, everything is done by the United States. But that's your problem, not mine.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Actually this is historically fact. I did not make it up, but as a Serb once posted on B92 the hardest thing to do is to try and show a stupid person they are stupid..."

We realize this. An "investment banker" from Australia keeps arguing with an imaginary Albanian. Couldn't get any funnier! :)

"Like the funny about Kosovo being on the same level as the rest of Serbia LOL. One of the greatest miracles; no industry or tourism with unemployment over 40% and yet this miracle."

This applies equally to central and southern Serbia, so what's your point, Mr. Investment Banker?

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 11 June 2018 22:27)

Have a little backbone and stop posing as a Serb. I don’t pose as an Albo.

As I said your posts are nonsensical but, but devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts.
“In Iraq, to topple a dictator. In Syria, for humanitarian purposes. “

Topple a dictator and humanitarian reason ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. Don’t strain your brain by thinking too much. Humanitarian reasons ha,ha,ha.
If that was the case, why didn’t the US go into Rwanda – that was truly a humanitarian crisis? Next you will tell me that Santa Claus exists, opps you’re a Muslim so I take that back.

Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power???? Probably not since your mind does not go beyond $12.50.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ ChiTown

"Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.
(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)

JS, yet oddly you make the same exaggeration when comparing Kosovo to Serbia."

First, Kosovo is 8.4 times richer than Somalia. That is a big difference from the 1.46 times that Serbia is richer than Kosovo.

But we need to keep in mind Peggy's overwhelming wisdom when she reminds us that a real Serb isn't just a person who lives in Serbia (even for generations), speaks the language, and has the citizenship and passport...so that disqualifies nearly everyone in Vojvodina, the most prosperous part of the country. So, keeping ultranationalism in mind, yes "real Serbia" probably has the exact same GDP per capita as Kosovo.

So what are you ultranationalists squawking about?

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Everything about Kosovo is exaggeration my little Albo. Look at Croatia where they claim the minimum annual salary is US$20,587, but 50,000 Croats left Croatia in 2017. Its PPP is $24,000 but still thousands left. In 2016 40,000 lost their jobs and in 2017 it was 60,000."

And everything in Serbia is exaggerated. I have gone through the statistics published by the Serbian government and talked with neighbors about the numbers and they do not reasonably match how many people actually and what amount people actually earn. It is the same everywhere: governments strongly tend to inflate statistics. So I don't see your point.

"Instead of ranting on about the same as central Serbia, I asked how do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry? Come on little Albo answer the question. How do they earn money apart from drug trafficking?????"

Still trying to discredit me by calling me an Albanian.

I live in Serbia, work in Serbia, raise a family in Serbia, welcome foreign guests to Serbia, work with my Serbian neighbors, cultivate my land and cut firewood in Serbia....while you sit in your office chair in a western country debating with non-existent Albanians. You are the envy of the world!

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"JS, I can see your brain has been fried by CNN and BBC. The US president calls them fake news."

I agree that CNN and BBC are extremely slanted. They are continuously pushing a super liberal agenda, and are very selective in what they write about. They have a big impact on public opinion, and in a very negative direction.

The problem is that Sputnik and others are just as much propaganda machines; just pushing public opinion in another direction with probably equally dishonest "journalism."

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Concerned Albanian

pre 5 godina

Yugoslavia's break up was imminent. If only politicians from both sides of the realm had made it happen on better terms. History repeats itself. Every nation tries to manipulate the weaker states.

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sj

pre 5 godina

"Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power????"

In your mind, everything is done by the United States. But that's your problem, not mine.
(JS, 13 June 2018 07:03)
Actually this is historically fact. I did not make it up, but as a Serb once posted on B92 the hardest thing to do is to try and show a stupid person they are stupid. I must admit you are the best so far – you don’t know what you are talking about but happy to continue.
Like the funny about Kosovo being on the same level as the rest of Serbia LOL. One of the greatest miracles; no industry or tourism with unemployment over 40% and yet this miracle. Now that using that special Albo calculator LOL.

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Guest

pre 5 godina

Russians will not be allowed to be apart of this discussion.

*Notice

Russians said they're ready, but Vucic knows well they're not apart of it. Therefore, Russians will have to sit this one out in s corner like a fat kid who is not invited to lunch.

Vucic knows what he has been told, Russians have to stay out of it for Serbia to even have a slight hope of joking EU

I know Serbs say it a lot we don't care about EU, or West in general, yet they keep migrating to western countries all the time.

Isn't that ironic?

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 5 godina

Please give is more of that!
(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 12:56)

Tom, you’ve resorted to posting gibberish, that remains meaningless despite the inappropriate exclamation mark. Perhaps you should modify your abuse of punctuation marks the next time you change your moniker.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

Isn't that ironic?
(Guest, 8 June 2018 10:38)
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What's ironic is that Albanians love the west, do everything they ask and when they try to migrate, they keep getting sent back. They have no EU perspective and no investments coming from those they love. Why does "evil" Serbia keep getting everything? LOL!

If the US joins, so will Russia, no doubt about that. The whole negotiation process is a complete joke, there is no point continuing when Albanians can't even commit to the agreement. Spain and a few EU members are now causing problems. Might as well take it back to the UN.

I am doubtful an agreement will come forth. As far as I'm concerned, the frozen conflict stays until the geopolitical situation is firmly in Serbia's favour. Looking at the way the western alliance is falling apart, I don't think it's too far away, thus the rush (from the west) to get some kind of agreement.

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sj

pre 5 godina

Russians said they're ready, but Vucic knows well they're not apart of it. Therefore, Russians will have to sit this one out in s corner like a fat kid who is not invited to lunch.

Vucic knows what he has been told, Russians have to stay out of it for Serbia to even have a slight hope of joking EU

I know Serbs say it a lot we don't care about EU, or West in general, yet they keep migrating to western countries all the time.

Isn't that ironic?
(Guest, 8 June 2018 10:38)

Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in? I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia. Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it.

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Smart Serb

pre 5 godina

Americans are never far from meddling in other nations affairs.
This disgusting U.S government has nothing good to offer Serbia.
F#*k Off U.S.A

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sj

pre 5 godina

I notice, you are again investing fictive funds in Serbia. You must have been crap at Monopoly.
(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 11:23)

Well our Italian Albo comes out from his hiding place. You and icj1 have to be related since no one can come out with the same stupid lines over and over again and not be blood relatives.

OK, they are fictive funds, but how much has the west invested in Kosova to date. Name all the firms that have opened shop in Albo heaven. Is it MIcrosft? Perhaps Ford or GM?

This should be good fro a laugh LOL.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 13:22)

Yep I my little Albo Serb LO I saw all the new Buildings but too bad they all housed the EU or US people.

Of course, everything is exaggerated but please tell us how the Kosovars manage to make a living when there is no industry?

Ok Kosovo has one of the worst economies in Europe. Then who are in the same league in Europe? Now no gibberish just answer the question? Its wonderful here on the Russian troll farm LOL.

And you would probably also say the US invaded Afghanistan for the oil and to control the railroad system.

What does that have to do with what I have said? Are all Albos like you dyslexic? LOL??????? When unable to answer out comes the gibberish LOL??????

OK they stopped Milosevic’s behaviour, but why invest in Serbia when Albos are their bootlicks? Surely they would help you out by improving your standard of llving? Now name all the industry that the US/EU moved to Kosova? For example, Continental tyres have recently opened for business in Serbia. Its employing close to 1,000 Serbs and there are plenty of companies. Is there a branch in Kosova?

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity.
(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)
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To be honest, if you drive from Mitrovica to Pristina, you'll see lots of turbo mansions built. The politicians and corrupt officials have used the funds, for their own benefit, but it's visible.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in? I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia. Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it.
(sj, 8 June 2018 11:04)

I notice, you are again investing fictive funds in Serbia. You must have been crap at Monopoly.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(Tom L'Orizi, 8 June 2018 12:56)

Ahh our resident Italian Albo has difficulties in English. Well I’ll see if I can make it as simple as him so even he can understand.

I went to Kosovo in 2015.

I have seen a dozen times where mines/mineral deposits are sold by a country and the local people hope that the mine will provide employment to locals only to have the new owners bring in outside crews on fourteen-day rotation and locals get nothing.

Meanwhile the new owners of the mine bribe local politicians and there are no problems.

Now name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"went to Kosovo in 2015 and saw all the billions invested by the west LOL."

You're such a faithful Serb, came as a tourist in 2015. You should be proud of yourself...

You only needed to open your eyes to see all the new buildings.


"Living standards are one of the worst in the world since there are no jobs."

Exaggeration. One of the worst in Europe, not the world. But I see you learned quickly when you were trained in the Russian troll farm.

"What people like you don’t understand is that Kosovars never had a chance to start off with mate. The west is only interested in the Russians influence in the Balkans – they don’t give a flying fig about anything else."

Not everyone is obsessed with Russia and the US like you...

"Once the assets come on sale it’s all over red rover. Minerals will be mined by fly-in/fly-out crews and bribe money will put into your politicians’ pockets while the rest live off money sent in by relatives working in the EU."

And you would probably also say the US invaded Afghanistan for the oil and to control the railroad system...

"Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date."

It isn't the responsibility of a foreign country to set up industries. The only purpose I know of for US intervention in Kosovo is to stop the civil war and deal with the behavior of Milosević.

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Zhukov

pre 5 godina

If the so called dialogue is a dictat to Serbia and requires no concession from the criminal bigots in Pristina, why are the latter so concerned about format and advisers?
Further, perhaps someone should ask the South Vietnamese, Georgians, Kurds, ISIL, Kashmir Pakistanese, Koreans, et al, on the extent of back-stabbing support one may expect from the USA.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

I have seen a dozen times where mines/mineral deposits are sold by a country and the local people hope that the mine will provide employment to locals only to have the new owners bring in outside crews on fourteen-day rotation and locals get nothing...
(sj, 8 June 2018 13:15)

So, since you are adamant that you have seen it happening a dozen times - as you said it at least twice - and you have also seen the owners bring in outside crews - as you put it - on 14 day rotation, then, for you to be fully sure you are not BS-ing us, you MUST have steared at the mines/mineral deposits - to use your words - at least 12 cycles of 14 day each. So, you have gazed at this phenomenon in Kosova for 168 days.

When did you do your investment banking mate?

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Yep I my little Albo Serb LO I saw all the new Buildings but too bad they all housed the EU or US people."

Your imagination at work.

"Of course, everything is exaggerated..."

We agree!

"...but please tell us how the Kosovars manage to make a living when there is no industry?"

The same way most Serbs earn an income, my dear absent Westerner with Serb ancestry.

"Ok Kosovo has one of the worst economies in Europe. Then who are in the same league in Europe?"

Serbia and Albania.

"Its wonderful here on the Russian troll farm LOL."

Yeah, full of bitterness and hatred. That sounds like pure bliss!

"What does that have to do with what I have said?"

Because in every case you claim the US is evil, invading and stealing minerals. Eventually you will apply your one-size-fits-all answer to a place where it could not possibly apply. And then we will all laugh at you. Oh, whoops, we already are! ;)

"OK they stopped Milosevic’s behaviour, but why invest in Serbia when Albos are their bootlicks?"

You have things backwards here. For one, you are overestimating the number of investments being made in Serbia.

"Surely they would help you out by improving your standard of llving?"

According to you, the United States is because I am an ethnic Serb living in Serbia, unlike you who comes as a visitor.

"Is there a branch in Kosova?"

I don't know because I don't live there. Do you? ;)

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"Ummm, there was no civil war."

It is easy to call everyone on the other side of the conflict terrorists. But that won't bring you closer to truth or reconciliation.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)

I went to Kosovo in 2015 and saw all the billions invested by the west LOL. Living standards are one of the worst in the world since there are no jobs.

What people like you don’t understand is that Kosovars never had a chance to start off with mate. The west is only interested in the Russians influence in the Balkans – they don’t give a flying fig about anything else. Once the assets come on sale it’s all over red rover. Minerals will be mined by fly-in/fly-out crews and bribe money will put into your politicians’ pockets while the rest live off money sent in by relatives working in the EU.

I have seen it a dozen times.

Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... I have seen it a dozen times.

Now if I am wrong please name all the industries the west opened in Kosovo to date.
(sj, 8 June 2018 12:40)

So, you have seen it a dozen time in two times you allegedly went to Kosova in 2015?

It doesn't add up again mate! Please give is more of that!

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Wanna bet that the Russians will not be there if the US joins in?"

I agree that the Russians would probably join if the US would participate.

"I don't understand you guys kiss western arse and they give you nothing, but Serbs don't cow tail and look at all those western investing in Serbia."

How are Albanians doing this? I think you are exaggerating.

"Now why is that? Surely your boot licking would attract a kiosk being opened in Kosova? Alas no. Tells you all; doesn't it."

Actually the truth is that billions of dollars were invested after the war. It only takes one drive around Kosovo to figure this out. So your reasoning is false. The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity. I just don't understand why they wanted Kosovo when they can't even figure out how to have a functioning state in Albania.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

The only purpose I know of for US intervention in Kosovo is to stop the civil war and deal with the behavior of Milosević.
(JS, 8 June 2018 13:22)
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Ummm, there was no civil war. Kosovo had OSCE observers on the ground, reporting lots of terrorist activity by the KLA, but otherwise it was relatively peaceful. Serbia was given an ultimatum, sign Rambouillet or else and then came the Racak hoax. All Albanians were in Kosovo until NATO start dropping bombs, and then the fake news press worked overtime, trying to blame the Serbs for all seeking refugee status in the west.

But look, we know all about the fake news press, even the US president keep reminding us. Same culprits, CNN, BBC, etc...

But look, the US has been investing in Kosovo's independence since about 1995/96 so who is to blame? Check -> https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=07&dd=14&nav_id=98620

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Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

Actually the truth is that billions of dollars were invested after the war. It only takes one drive around Kosovo to figure this out. So your reasoning is false. The truth is that Kosovars have squandered the opportunity. I just don't understand why they wanted Kosovo when they can't even figure out how to have a functioning state in Albania.
(JS, 8 June 2018 11:51)

Nothing has changed, Yugoslavia pumped money into Kosovo and it was still as cesspool because it was run by Albanian Communists. EU is now pumping money into Kosovo which is now run by Albanian Terrorists. Kosovo is poor because its Albanian leaders are corrupt at the expense of its citizens.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"I was referring to the OSCE reports, which specifically stated acts of terrorism were being conducted by the KLA/Albanians. Look them up and see for yourself - OSCE KVM."

And the West also classified some Serbian actions in a similar manner. That's why they started bombing. So what's your point?

"Reconciliation? Who is trying to reconcile Serbs and Albanians? LOL!"

Without reconciliation, there is no hope for the future. But I guess you and other radical Serbs enjoy it that way.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 11 June 2018 22:27)

Have a little backbone and stop posing as a Serb. I don’t pose as an Albo.

As I said your posts are nonsensical but, but devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts.
“In Iraq, to topple a dictator. In Syria, for humanitarian purposes. “

Topple a dictator and humanitarian reason ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. Don’t strain your brain by thinking too much. Humanitarian reasons ha,ha,ha.
If that was the case, why didn’t the US go into Rwanda – that was truly a humanitarian crisis? Next you will tell me that Santa Claus exists, opps you’re a Muslim so I take that back.

Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power???? Probably not since your mind does not go beyond $12.50.

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C

pre 5 godina

Yup the western powers getting together again to dicktate to the Balkans Again. The Albanians got efed at all these conferences and dialogues going all the way back to the 1800s, nothing will change.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 8 June 2018 22:26)
If you’re a Serb, then I’m French my Albo friend. Your terrible at concealing your Alboism.
Your posts are nonsensical since you have no idea what you are talking about but bursting at the seams to say something. Your amateurish and laughable in your pathetic attempts to carry a conversion that is devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts. Your entire understanding of finance is based on $12.50 an hour and how the burger flippers makes more money than a Serb cab driver.
All Empires behave in the same manner and the US is no better or worse. Why did the US go into Iraq? Or why is the US involved in Syria? Most interested to hear your reply.
Since I have overestimated the number of foreign investments made in Serbia please enlighten me as to where I have overestimated?
How do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry there? And you reply “The same way most Serbs earn an income”. In Kosovo farming is very limited and government jobs are scarce, so what do they do apart from traffic in drugs???????????

Since you well appraised on how China gained access to the WTO, and say the US, EU, and others forced difficult changes to the Chinese economy for them to participate. What were those changes forced on China?
Love the part how Kosovo economy is on the same level as the rest of Serbia. Try Somalia.

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sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)
Here are only a small portion of those “magical” investments by outside companies.

Zumtobel, Zopapas, Continental Tyres, Leoni, Chandry Group, Perutnna, JB Soulier, Tonnies, Ikea, Siemens, JLB Soulier; Blue Sky, Schneider Electrics, Turkish textile plants, Mei Ta, Vorwerk Autotec, TAFE.

Then there is Rakita Exploration [Canadian Nevsun (Resources)] and BHPBilliton.

Instead of ranting on about the same as central Serbia, I asked how do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry? Come on little Albo answer the question. How do they earn money apart from drug trafficking?????

China changed from pure communism under Deng Xiaoping because the old system did not work. It had nothing to do with the west. The current Chinese economy is EXACTLY the same as it was during Clinton’s time.
Everything about Kosovo is exaggeration my little Albo. Look at Croatia where they claim the minimum annual salary is US$20,587, but 50,000 Croats left Croatia in 2017. Its PPP is $24,000 but still thousands left. In 2016 40,000 lost their jobs and in 2017 it was 60,000.

When they quote that the US has only 4.1% unemployed even Trump does not believe it.

Kosovo’s growth last year was 4% and this year its projected to rise to 4.8%. How does it achieve that when there is no industry????

Note that when our little Albo, who poses as a “Serb”, can’t debate its back to the Russian troll farm LOL.

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

It is easy to call everyone on the other side of the conflict terrorists. But that won't bring you closer to truth or reconciliation.
(JS, 9 June 2018 15:14)
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I was referring to the OSCE reports, which specifically stated acts of terrorism were being conducted by the KLA/Albanians. Look them up and see for yourself - OSCE KVM.

Reconciliation? Who is trying to reconcile Serbs and Albanians? LOL!

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Zoran

pre 5 godina

And the West also classified some Serbian actions in a similar manner. That's why they started bombing. So what's your point?

Without reconciliation, there is no hope for the future. But I guess you and other radical Serbs enjoy it that way.
(JS, 11 June 2018 10:26)
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You are obviously missing the big picture, like I already mentioned, Victoria Nuland stated back in 2016 that the US had been investing in Kosovo's independence for 20 years, meaning starting back in 1995/6. It didn't matter what the Serbs did, it was obvious the US was working with Albanians to achieve their goal and looking at events, it's obvious, at least to those paying attention, that everything was staged from Rambouillet to Racak. The US was hell bent on bombing Serbia, it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that. Much like the Iraqis and the invasion they experienced using false information as justification.

As for reconciliation, calling me a radical Serb just puts you in the same boat as the radical Albanians. It's not me who doesn't want reconciliation, I've called for it many time. It's the US and Albanians that are not interested, which is why I'm laughing. With reconciliation comes truth and do you really expect the truth to come out?

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ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.
(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)

JS, yet oddly you make the same exaggeration when comparing Kosovo to Serbia. Don't be a hypocrite... looks like you learned well at the Albanian/West Troll farm.

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Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

JS, I can see your brain has been fried by CNN and BBC. The US president calls them fake news.
(Zoran, 12 June 2018 11:16)

You seem to know a thing or two about CNN and BBC. Look after your brain.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"...everything was staged from Rambouillet to Racak."

This is normally called a conspiracy theory.

"The US was hell bent on bombing Serbia, it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that."

I never met a single person during the more than three decades that I lived in the United States who could be considered "hell bent" on bombing Serbia.

"...it didn't matter what Serbs did, we were the "bad guys" and that was that. Much like the Iraqis and the invasion they experienced using false information as justification."

The US military toppled Saddam's corrupt regime. It was not an attack on civilians. Yes, radical Muslims resisted the invasion but they're the same people you call terrorists so I don't see the point of your criticism of the US invasion.

"...calling me a radical Serb just puts you in the same boat as the radical Albanians."

Acting like a radical Serb nationalist puts a person in the same boat as a radical Albanian, radical Croatian, or radical whatever.

"It's the US and Albanians that are not interested, which is why I'm laughing. With reconciliation comes truth and do you really expect the truth to come out?"

Why wouldn't I want it to? I am not a nationalist of any type. I have nothing to defend.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"If you’re a Serb, then I’m French my Albo friend. Your terrible at concealing your Alboism."

As far as I'm concerned it is better that you stay in Australia. We don't need you poisining the minds of our Serbian youth.

"Your posts are nonsensical since you have no idea what you are talking about but bursting at the seams to say something."

Bursting at the seams. Uh huh. Continue rambling... :)

"Your amateurish and laughable in your pathetic attempts to carry a conversion that is devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts."

Thank you! :)

"All Empires behave in the same manner and the US is no better or worse."

Then why do you rant and rave like a madman?

"Why did the US go into Iraq? Or why is the US involved in Syria? Most interested to hear your reply."

In Iraq, to topple a dictator. In Syria, for humanitarian purposes. But the US is barely engaged in Syria. If they had fully engaged like in Iraq, they would have crushed the Assad regime in no time flat. But the US took it easy because there isn't any purpose in getting in the middle of an inter-Islamic war. Oh, but you are a conspiracy theorist like Zoran, so you will probably write about some crazy nonsense that somehow the United States created the civil war in Syria.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Since I have overestimated the number of foreign investments made in Serbia please enlighten me as to where I have overestimated?"

I doubt anyone on this forum knows where you magically come up with all these non-existent foreign investments that you refer to.

"How do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry there? And you reply “The same way most Serbs earn an income”. In Kosovo farming is very limited and government jobs are scarce, so what do they do apart from traffic in drugs???…??"

It's the same in central and southern Serbia so I don't know what you have to brag about, especially since you aren't a real Serb anyways.

"...say the US, EU, and others forced difficult changes to the Chinese economy for them to participate. What were those changes forced on China?"

If you don't know how China's economy changed since they were a purer communist country then you need more help than I can provide.

"Love the part how Kosovo economy is on the same level as the rest of Serbia. Try Somalia."

Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.

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sj

pre 5 godina

"Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power????"

In your mind, everything is done by the United States. But that's your problem, not mine.
(JS, 13 June 2018 07:03)
Actually this is historically fact. I did not make it up, but as a Serb once posted on B92 the hardest thing to do is to try and show a stupid person they are stupid. I must admit you are the best so far – you don’t know what you are talking about but happy to continue.
Like the funny about Kosovo being on the same level as the rest of Serbia LOL. One of the greatest miracles; no industry or tourism with unemployment over 40% and yet this miracle. Now that using that special Albo calculator LOL.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ ChiTown

"Per capita GDP in Serbia is $5348; in Kosovo it is $3661; in Somalia its $434. Another example of exaggeration. You learned very well at the Russian troll farm where you were trained to spread disinformation.
(JS, 11 June 2018 22:33)

JS, yet oddly you make the same exaggeration when comparing Kosovo to Serbia."

First, Kosovo is 8.4 times richer than Somalia. That is a big difference from the 1.46 times that Serbia is richer than Kosovo.

But we need to keep in mind Peggy's overwhelming wisdom when she reminds us that a real Serb isn't just a person who lives in Serbia (even for generations), speaks the language, and has the citizenship and passport...so that disqualifies nearly everyone in Vojvodina, the most prosperous part of the country. So, keeping ultranationalism in mind, yes "real Serbia" probably has the exact same GDP per capita as Kosovo.

So what are you ultranationalists squawking about?

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Everything about Kosovo is exaggeration my little Albo. Look at Croatia where they claim the minimum annual salary is US$20,587, but 50,000 Croats left Croatia in 2017. Its PPP is $24,000 but still thousands left. In 2016 40,000 lost their jobs and in 2017 it was 60,000."

And everything in Serbia is exaggerated. I have gone through the statistics published by the Serbian government and talked with neighbors about the numbers and they do not reasonably match how many people actually and what amount people actually earn. It is the same everywhere: governments strongly tend to inflate statistics. So I don't see your point.

"Instead of ranting on about the same as central Serbia, I asked how do your Kosovars make a living since there is no industry? Come on little Albo answer the question. How do they earn money apart from drug trafficking?????"

Still trying to discredit me by calling me an Albanian.

I live in Serbia, work in Serbia, raise a family in Serbia, welcome foreign guests to Serbia, work with my Serbian neighbors, cultivate my land and cut firewood in Serbia....while you sit in your office chair in a western country debating with non-existent Albanians. You are the envy of the world!

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"As I said your posts are nonsensical but, but devoid of any knowledge of history or political facts."

You are like Dragoljub. You think that because some Croatians were fascists, therefore Croatians are considerably more evil than other people, especially your "holy-chosen-nation" Serbs. And if I had learned this "lesson" then I would know to hate Croatians. This is your type of "historical knowledge." But reality is like David wrote in the Psalms and the Apostle Paul quoted in Romans 3:

"“There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes."

"Are you aware that the US put both Saddam Hussein of Iraq and the Assad family of Syria into power????"

In your mind, everything is done by the United States. But that's your problem, not mine.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ Zoran

"JS, I can see your brain has been fried by CNN and BBC. The US president calls them fake news."

I agree that CNN and BBC are extremely slanted. They are continuously pushing a super liberal agenda, and are very selective in what they write about. They have a big impact on public opinion, and in a very negative direction.

The problem is that Sputnik and others are just as much propaganda machines; just pushing public opinion in another direction with probably equally dishonest "journalism."

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Concerned Albanian

pre 5 godina

Yugoslavia's break up was imminent. If only politicians from both sides of the realm had made it happen on better terms. History repeats itself. Every nation tries to manipulate the weaker states.

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JS

pre 5 godina

@ sj

"Actually this is historically fact. I did not make it up, but as a Serb once posted on B92 the hardest thing to do is to try and show a stupid person they are stupid..."

We realize this. An "investment banker" from Australia keeps arguing with an imaginary Albanian. Couldn't get any funnier! :)

"Like the funny about Kosovo being on the same level as the rest of Serbia LOL. One of the greatest miracles; no industry or tourism with unemployment over 40% and yet this miracle."

This applies equally to central and southern Serbia, so what's your point, Mr. Investment Banker?

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