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Church shouldn't be making key political decisions - Vucic

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."

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ida

pre 5 godina

Vucic should not be making decisions either as he is from Bosnia. Serbs should boot him back to Bosnia, and if the Bosniaks want to throw stones at him again - that would be his problem.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

Germany would bankrupt like greece if it would not get new credits to pay back the old credits.
Capitalism has the problem that it creates very poor and very rich people. And it will not be able to handle 8 billion people wanted all to have cars and other luxury products because there is a problem with resources.
'from a human rights standpoint they are communistic' you mix up communism with dictatorships. It was implemented in that way but that is not the idea of it.
Capitalistic (greedy) ideology will always win directly against communistic (social) ideology because it is too aggressive. But capitalism is limited because it needs growing economies and growth can not be unlimited.
In a social society people look after each other which gives people health insurances, retirement and so on. Of course if you meassure in money you will be right. If you add social aspects, free time, stress at work, difference between poor and rich... it is not so obvious anymore.
Sorry but the rising of nationalism is still the work of Tudjman, Milosevic and Izetbegovic. Enough states bankrupted without civil wars in history so that is a cheap excuse.

njegos

pre 5 godina

Tito reloaded - Communism doesn't work. Please show me one place on earth where it works. And don't say China because from an economic standpoint they behave more like a market-driven economy, but from a human rights standpoint they are communistic. Meaning there is no opportunity to speak out against the ruling government which was also true in Tito's Yugoslavia.

What you don't understand is that Tito borrowed heavily from more prosperous western countries. When it came time to pay the loans back, he couldn't and the country began to unravel. You're right that western countries borrow to keep their economies running also (too much in my opinion). The difference is that the western economies can service their debt, whereas Yugoslavia couldn't because their economy couldn't support the debt they took on. There's a difference between borrowing money and servicing that debt versus going bankrupt. Yugoslavia was on the road to bankruptcy which contributed to the rise of nationalism which ultimately ended in civil war. You can thank your hero Tito for all of that!

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Capitalism is like survival of the fittest and the rest shall die. Companies are growing until they have a monopoly and they are than out of control for governments and the people. They move production to the cheapest places, now China (which officially is still communistic) is better of thanks to this. In first place it hits the weaker western economies like Italy, greece, spain.
You bring up Cuba, well compare it to Haiti or many nations in Africa then they do not look so poor anymore.
The richness of Europe and North America is build on the time of colonization and even today goods are taken for cheap money from poor countries.
Minimum salaries in China are higher than in serbia.
Plus you must learn to distinguish the different forms in which communism was implemented. The purest form of communism was never implemented. It would not use resources like they are in capitalism in an unsustainable way. If the whole world would live like people in the west, there would be a big problem with resources. A global communistic society would recognize that everybody has to give up on many things so that everybody can have more or less the same living standards. Otherwise it will end up in constant fight for resources.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "Communism will alway be a little bit behind regarding technologies..."

A little bit behind? They are light years behind because there is no incentive to better themselves. The government provides for everything in theory. Communism will always be light years behind capitistic countries.

"Walk through certain areas in the capitalistic countries like USA, France and the UK. There were always a lot of poor people too."

Compare this to Cuba where the entire country poor!

"What would happen to USA, germany, france, italy,... if they would not get credits anymore? They all took more loans than they can ever pay back. The difference is they still get them, but when it stops we will see if they start civil wars there too. Without credits there economy would colaps too."

The difference is that in capitistic countries there are viable economies that have the ability to produce goods and services, innovate technologies and grow GDP. None of that potential exists under communism because the incentive to better oneself has been replaced by the government providing everything.

"Some none communists even lived better than I did. I do not make a difference if somebody is communist or not, as long as he is not a nationalist."

Not buying it. I know what my family went through there and if you weren't part of the system, you were an outcast. And if you were honest, you would admit that.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Communism will alway be a little bit behind regarding technologies, because it is not as aggressive as capitalism.
Walk through certain areas in the capitalistic countries like USA, France and the UK. There were always a lot of poor people too. Health insurance in the USA was at the time of Yugoslavia for many people too expensive. In UK today there are very poor areas, france has no go areas.
What would happen to USA, germany, france, italy,... if they would not get credits anymore? They all took more loans than they can ever pay back. The difference is they still get them, but when it stops we will see if they start civil wars there too. Without credits there economy would colaps too.
Some none communists even lived better than I did. I do not make a difference if somebody is communist or not, as long as he is not a nationalist.

icj1

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.
(Zoran, 21 May 2018 17:25)

Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women.
(icj1, 22 May 2018 03:23)

Except when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia, right icj1?
(njegos, 22 May 2018 15:11)

No dear, you making an exception when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia is not right... Your double standards are appalling!!!

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "How much people in serbia live today without a health insurance? I know quiet a lot more than in the days of communist Yugoslavia."

Anyone with a basic understanding of economics knows that when you borrow money, you have to pay it back at some point in the future. Tito's Yugoslavia borrowed heavily from western countries which allowed a nice lifestyle for (communists) in Yugoslavia. The country began to run into problems when those loans had to be paid back. Croatia and Slovenia felt that their industry paid disproportionately relative to the other republics. This led to increased tension between the various ethnic groups of Yugoslavia and soon it unraveled into civil war. Poor economic conditions exacerbated by heavy borrowing with no way to pay the loans back was the catalyst that set things in motion.

And tell me, TR, how many non-communists were you friends with? Did they live the same lifestyle you and your comrades did? I can tell you my family didn't.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Let me think for a second, when was the flower of Jasenovac build? And when did Tito die?
Did Mr. Bogdan Bogdanovic (who had to live his home because of nationalists later) build this monument secretly?
As far as I remember there where Ustasha in the old Partizan movies too, damn how could he miss that.
Without Tito there would have been east block style communism in yugoslavija.
And when was there a period of 40 years without war in the region?

How much people in serbia live today without a health insurance? I know quiet a lot more than in the days of communist Yugoslavia.
Yes it was not perfect but better than now.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Genti: "The Serbian Church is calling for holy war on the non-believers :) Sounds like ISIS to me. Serbia is a barbaric country that does not belong in civilized Europe."

Hey Gent - FYI, Kosovo has the highest number per capita of ISIS members of any state in Europe. Keep reaching though. LOL

njegos

pre 5 godina

From icji: "Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women."

Except when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia, right icj1? Your double standards are appalling.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "I guess Patriarch Irinej would prefer a god state like the islamic state.
It is time to remove all religions on this planet. How stupid is it to believe in something like a god or an afterlife? To bad communists did not flaten all churches and mosques in Yugoslavia."

Hey TR: Communism never worked anywhere. And before you tell me how great things were in Tito's Yugoslavia, may I remind you that he was a dictator that ruled with an iron fist. There was no room for opposing views. If you didn't belong to the communist party, you were treated like a 2nd class citizen. Tito massacred thousands and thousands who were returned from displaced persons camps in Italy after the war. He concealed the massacres of Serbs, Jews and Roma by the Croat Ustasha and forbade anyone to talk about it. And his borrowing from western countries with no viable way to repay those loans contributed more to the breakup of Yugoslavia than any form of nationalism. Why don't you move to North Korea or Cuba where can be surrounded by like-minded individuals.

icj1

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.
(Zoran, 21 May 2018 17:25)

Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women.

Genti

pre 5 godina

The Serbian Church is calling for holy war on the non-believers :) Sounds like ISIS to me. Serbia is a barbaric country that does not belong in civilized Europe.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

I guess Patriarch Irinej would prefer a god state like the islamic state.
It is time to remove all religions on this planet. How stupid is it to believe in something like a god or an afterlife? To bad communists did not flaten all churches and mosques in Yugoslavia.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

Speaking at a round table at the Belgrade Theological Seminary, he added that Patriarch Irinej saying that something that is taken by force "will be returned; however, that which is given to another is lost forever," should also be understood by "our tadpoles who do not know what people and genuine humans are, but are instead sacrificing everything to the colon, accepting the Euro-American civilization, that is worse than Communism."


This guy looks and certainly sounds like Ayatollah Khomeini.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

Speaking at a round table at the Belgrade Theological Seminary, he added that Patriarch Irinej saying that something that is taken by force "will be returned; however, that which is given to another is lost forever," should also be understood by "our tadpoles who do not know what people and genuine humans are, but are instead sacrificing everything to the colon, accepting the Euro-American civilization, that is worse than Communism."


This guy looks and certainly sounds like Ayatollah Khomeini.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

I guess Patriarch Irinej would prefer a god state like the islamic state.
It is time to remove all religions on this planet. How stupid is it to believe in something like a god or an afterlife? To bad communists did not flaten all churches and mosques in Yugoslavia.

Genti

pre 5 godina

The Serbian Church is calling for holy war on the non-believers :) Sounds like ISIS to me. Serbia is a barbaric country that does not belong in civilized Europe.

icj1

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.
(Zoran, 21 May 2018 17:25)

Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From icji: "Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women."

Except when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia, right icj1? Your double standards are appalling.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "I guess Patriarch Irinej would prefer a god state like the islamic state.
It is time to remove all religions on this planet. How stupid is it to believe in something like a god or an afterlife? To bad communists did not flaten all churches and mosques in Yugoslavia."

Hey TR: Communism never worked anywhere. And before you tell me how great things were in Tito's Yugoslavia, may I remind you that he was a dictator that ruled with an iron fist. There was no room for opposing views. If you didn't belong to the communist party, you were treated like a 2nd class citizen. Tito massacred thousands and thousands who were returned from displaced persons camps in Italy after the war. He concealed the massacres of Serbs, Jews and Roma by the Croat Ustasha and forbade anyone to talk about it. And his borrowing from western countries with no viable way to repay those loans contributed more to the breakup of Yugoslavia than any form of nationalism. Why don't you move to North Korea or Cuba where can be surrounded by like-minded individuals.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Genti: "The Serbian Church is calling for holy war on the non-believers :) Sounds like ISIS to me. Serbia is a barbaric country that does not belong in civilized Europe."

Hey Gent - FYI, Kosovo has the highest number per capita of ISIS members of any state in Europe. Keep reaching though. LOL

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Let me think for a second, when was the flower of Jasenovac build? And when did Tito die?
Did Mr. Bogdan Bogdanovic (who had to live his home because of nationalists later) build this monument secretly?
As far as I remember there where Ustasha in the old Partizan movies too, damn how could he miss that.
Without Tito there would have been east block style communism in yugoslavija.
And when was there a period of 40 years without war in the region?

How much people in serbia live today without a health insurance? I know quiet a lot more than in the days of communist Yugoslavia.
Yes it was not perfect but better than now.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "How much people in serbia live today without a health insurance? I know quiet a lot more than in the days of communist Yugoslavia."

Anyone with a basic understanding of economics knows that when you borrow money, you have to pay it back at some point in the future. Tito's Yugoslavia borrowed heavily from western countries which allowed a nice lifestyle for (communists) in Yugoslavia. The country began to run into problems when those loans had to be paid back. Croatia and Slovenia felt that their industry paid disproportionately relative to the other republics. This led to increased tension between the various ethnic groups of Yugoslavia and soon it unraveled into civil war. Poor economic conditions exacerbated by heavy borrowing with no way to pay the loans back was the catalyst that set things in motion.

And tell me, TR, how many non-communists were you friends with? Did they live the same lifestyle you and your comrades did? I can tell you my family didn't.

icj1

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.
(Zoran, 21 May 2018 17:25)

Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women.
(icj1, 22 May 2018 03:23)

Except when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia, right icj1?
(njegos, 22 May 2018 15:11)

No dear, you making an exception when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia is not right... Your double standards are appalling!!!

njegos

pre 5 godina

Tito reloaded - Communism doesn't work. Please show me one place on earth where it works. And don't say China because from an economic standpoint they behave more like a market-driven economy, but from a human rights standpoint they are communistic. Meaning there is no opportunity to speak out against the ruling government which was also true in Tito's Yugoslavia.

What you don't understand is that Tito borrowed heavily from more prosperous western countries. When it came time to pay the loans back, he couldn't and the country began to unravel. You're right that western countries borrow to keep their economies running also (too much in my opinion). The difference is that the western economies can service their debt, whereas Yugoslavia couldn't because their economy couldn't support the debt they took on. There's a difference between borrowing money and servicing that debt versus going bankrupt. Yugoslavia was on the road to bankruptcy which contributed to the rise of nationalism which ultimately ended in civil war. You can thank your hero Tito for all of that!

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "Communism will alway be a little bit behind regarding technologies..."

A little bit behind? They are light years behind because there is no incentive to better themselves. The government provides for everything in theory. Communism will always be light years behind capitistic countries.

"Walk through certain areas in the capitalistic countries like USA, France and the UK. There were always a lot of poor people too."

Compare this to Cuba where the entire country poor!

"What would happen to USA, germany, france, italy,... if they would not get credits anymore? They all took more loans than they can ever pay back. The difference is they still get them, but when it stops we will see if they start civil wars there too. Without credits there economy would colaps too."

The difference is that in capitistic countries there are viable economies that have the ability to produce goods and services, innovate technologies and grow GDP. None of that potential exists under communism because the incentive to better oneself has been replaced by the government providing everything.

"Some none communists even lived better than I did. I do not make a difference if somebody is communist or not, as long as he is not a nationalist."

Not buying it. I know what my family went through there and if you weren't part of the system, you were an outcast. And if you were honest, you would admit that.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Capitalism is like survival of the fittest and the rest shall die. Companies are growing until they have a monopoly and they are than out of control for governments and the people. They move production to the cheapest places, now China (which officially is still communistic) is better of thanks to this. In first place it hits the weaker western economies like Italy, greece, spain.
You bring up Cuba, well compare it to Haiti or many nations in Africa then they do not look so poor anymore.
The richness of Europe and North America is build on the time of colonization and even today goods are taken for cheap money from poor countries.
Minimum salaries in China are higher than in serbia.
Plus you must learn to distinguish the different forms in which communism was implemented. The purest form of communism was never implemented. It would not use resources like they are in capitalism in an unsustainable way. If the whole world would live like people in the west, there would be a big problem with resources. A global communistic society would recognize that everybody has to give up on many things so that everybody can have more or less the same living standards. Otherwise it will end up in constant fight for resources.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

Germany would bankrupt like greece if it would not get new credits to pay back the old credits.
Capitalism has the problem that it creates very poor and very rich people. And it will not be able to handle 8 billion people wanted all to have cars and other luxury products because there is a problem with resources.
'from a human rights standpoint they are communistic' you mix up communism with dictatorships. It was implemented in that way but that is not the idea of it.
Capitalistic (greedy) ideology will always win directly against communistic (social) ideology because it is too aggressive. But capitalism is limited because it needs growing economies and growth can not be unlimited.
In a social society people look after each other which gives people health insurances, retirement and so on. Of course if you meassure in money you will be right. If you add social aspects, free time, stress at work, difference between poor and rich... it is not so obvious anymore.
Sorry but the rising of nationalism is still the work of Tudjman, Milosevic and Izetbegovic. Enough states bankrupted without civil wars in history so that is a cheap excuse.

ida

pre 5 godina

Vucic should not be making decisions either as he is from Bosnia. Serbs should boot him back to Bosnia, and if the Bosniaks want to throw stones at him again - that would be his problem.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Communism will alway be a little bit behind regarding technologies, because it is not as aggressive as capitalism.
Walk through certain areas in the capitalistic countries like USA, France and the UK. There were always a lot of poor people too. Health insurance in the USA was at the time of Yugoslavia for many people too expensive. In UK today there are very poor areas, france has no go areas.
What would happen to USA, germany, france, italy,... if they would not get credits anymore? They all took more loans than they can ever pay back. The difference is they still get them, but when it stops we will see if they start civil wars there too. Without credits there economy would colaps too.
Some none communists even lived better than I did. I do not make a difference if somebody is communist or not, as long as he is not a nationalist.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

I guess Patriarch Irinej would prefer a god state like the islamic state.
It is time to remove all religions on this planet. How stupid is it to believe in something like a god or an afterlife? To bad communists did not flaten all churches and mosques in Yugoslavia.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

Speaking at a round table at the Belgrade Theological Seminary, he added that Patriarch Irinej saying that something that is taken by force "will be returned; however, that which is given to another is lost forever," should also be understood by "our tadpoles who do not know what people and genuine humans are, but are instead sacrificing everything to the colon, accepting the Euro-American civilization, that is worse than Communism."


This guy looks and certainly sounds like Ayatollah Khomeini.

Genti

pre 5 godina

The Serbian Church is calling for holy war on the non-believers :) Sounds like ISIS to me. Serbia is a barbaric country that does not belong in civilized Europe.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From icji: "Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women."

Except when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia, right icj1? Your double standards are appalling.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "I guess Patriarch Irinej would prefer a god state like the islamic state.
It is time to remove all religions on this planet. How stupid is it to believe in something like a god or an afterlife? To bad communists did not flaten all churches and mosques in Yugoslavia."

Hey TR: Communism never worked anywhere. And before you tell me how great things were in Tito's Yugoslavia, may I remind you that he was a dictator that ruled with an iron fist. There was no room for opposing views. If you didn't belong to the communist party, you were treated like a 2nd class citizen. Tito massacred thousands and thousands who were returned from displaced persons camps in Italy after the war. He concealed the massacres of Serbs, Jews and Roma by the Croat Ustasha and forbade anyone to talk about it. And his borrowing from western countries with no viable way to repay those loans contributed more to the breakup of Yugoslavia than any form of nationalism. Why don't you move to North Korea or Cuba where can be surrounded by like-minded individuals.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Genti: "The Serbian Church is calling for holy war on the non-believers :) Sounds like ISIS to me. Serbia is a barbaric country that does not belong in civilized Europe."

Hey Gent - FYI, Kosovo has the highest number per capita of ISIS members of any state in Europe. Keep reaching though. LOL

icj1

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.
(Zoran, 21 May 2018 17:25)

Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women.
(icj1, 22 May 2018 03:23)

Except when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia, right icj1?
(njegos, 22 May 2018 15:11)

No dear, you making an exception when it relates to the breakup of the Yugoslavia is not right... Your double standards are appalling!!!

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Communism will alway be a little bit behind regarding technologies, because it is not as aggressive as capitalism.
Walk through certain areas in the capitalistic countries like USA, France and the UK. There were always a lot of poor people too. Health insurance in the USA was at the time of Yugoslavia for many people too expensive. In UK today there are very poor areas, france has no go areas.
What would happen to USA, germany, france, italy,... if they would not get credits anymore? They all took more loans than they can ever pay back. The difference is they still get them, but when it stops we will see if they start civil wars there too. Without credits there economy would colaps too.
Some none communists even lived better than I did. I do not make a difference if somebody is communist or not, as long as he is not a nationalist.

icj1

pre 5 godina

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said on Monday that he "does not think that key political decisions should be made by the Church."
--
Neither should it be made by one man.
(Zoran, 21 May 2018 17:25)

Exactly... key political decisions should only be made by people who have been elected by the majority of all the voting men and women.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Let me think for a second, when was the flower of Jasenovac build? And when did Tito die?
Did Mr. Bogdan Bogdanovic (who had to live his home because of nationalists later) build this monument secretly?
As far as I remember there where Ustasha in the old Partizan movies too, damn how could he miss that.
Without Tito there would have been east block style communism in yugoslavija.
And when was there a period of 40 years without war in the region?

How much people in serbia live today without a health insurance? I know quiet a lot more than in the days of communist Yugoslavia.
Yes it was not perfect but better than now.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "How much people in serbia live today without a health insurance? I know quiet a lot more than in the days of communist Yugoslavia."

Anyone with a basic understanding of economics knows that when you borrow money, you have to pay it back at some point in the future. Tito's Yugoslavia borrowed heavily from western countries which allowed a nice lifestyle for (communists) in Yugoslavia. The country began to run into problems when those loans had to be paid back. Croatia and Slovenia felt that their industry paid disproportionately relative to the other republics. This led to increased tension between the various ethnic groups of Yugoslavia and soon it unraveled into civil war. Poor economic conditions exacerbated by heavy borrowing with no way to pay the loans back was the catalyst that set things in motion.

And tell me, TR, how many non-communists were you friends with? Did they live the same lifestyle you and your comrades did? I can tell you my family didn't.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@njegos
Capitalism is like survival of the fittest and the rest shall die. Companies are growing until they have a monopoly and they are than out of control for governments and the people. They move production to the cheapest places, now China (which officially is still communistic) is better of thanks to this. In first place it hits the weaker western economies like Italy, greece, spain.
You bring up Cuba, well compare it to Haiti or many nations in Africa then they do not look so poor anymore.
The richness of Europe and North America is build on the time of colonization and even today goods are taken for cheap money from poor countries.
Minimum salaries in China are higher than in serbia.
Plus you must learn to distinguish the different forms in which communism was implemented. The purest form of communism was never implemented. It would not use resources like they are in capitalism in an unsustainable way. If the whole world would live like people in the west, there would be a big problem with resources. A global communistic society would recognize that everybody has to give up on many things so that everybody can have more or less the same living standards. Otherwise it will end up in constant fight for resources.

njegos

pre 5 godina

From Tito reloaded: "Communism will alway be a little bit behind regarding technologies..."

A little bit behind? They are light years behind because there is no incentive to better themselves. The government provides for everything in theory. Communism will always be light years behind capitistic countries.

"Walk through certain areas in the capitalistic countries like USA, France and the UK. There were always a lot of poor people too."

Compare this to Cuba where the entire country poor!

"What would happen to USA, germany, france, italy,... if they would not get credits anymore? They all took more loans than they can ever pay back. The difference is they still get them, but when it stops we will see if they start civil wars there too. Without credits there economy would colaps too."

The difference is that in capitistic countries there are viable economies that have the ability to produce goods and services, innovate technologies and grow GDP. None of that potential exists under communism because the incentive to better oneself has been replaced by the government providing everything.

"Some none communists even lived better than I did. I do not make a difference if somebody is communist or not, as long as he is not a nationalist."

Not buying it. I know what my family went through there and if you weren't part of the system, you were an outcast. And if you were honest, you would admit that.

njegos

pre 5 godina

Tito reloaded - Communism doesn't work. Please show me one place on earth where it works. And don't say China because from an economic standpoint they behave more like a market-driven economy, but from a human rights standpoint they are communistic. Meaning there is no opportunity to speak out against the ruling government which was also true in Tito's Yugoslavia.

What you don't understand is that Tito borrowed heavily from more prosperous western countries. When it came time to pay the loans back, he couldn't and the country began to unravel. You're right that western countries borrow to keep their economies running also (too much in my opinion). The difference is that the western economies can service their debt, whereas Yugoslavia couldn't because their economy couldn't support the debt they took on. There's a difference between borrowing money and servicing that debt versus going bankrupt. Yugoslavia was on the road to bankruptcy which contributed to the rise of nationalism which ultimately ended in civil war. You can thank your hero Tito for all of that!

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

Germany would bankrupt like greece if it would not get new credits to pay back the old credits.
Capitalism has the problem that it creates very poor and very rich people. And it will not be able to handle 8 billion people wanted all to have cars and other luxury products because there is a problem with resources.
'from a human rights standpoint they are communistic' you mix up communism with dictatorships. It was implemented in that way but that is not the idea of it.
Capitalistic (greedy) ideology will always win directly against communistic (social) ideology because it is too aggressive. But capitalism is limited because it needs growing economies and growth can not be unlimited.
In a social society people look after each other which gives people health insurances, retirement and so on. Of course if you meassure in money you will be right. If you add social aspects, free time, stress at work, difference between poor and rich... it is not so obvious anymore.
Sorry but the rising of nationalism is still the work of Tudjman, Milosevic and Izetbegovic. Enough states bankrupted without civil wars in history so that is a cheap excuse.

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Vucic should not be making decisions either as he is from Bosnia. Serbs should boot him back to Bosnia, and if the Bosniaks want to throw stones at him again - that would be his problem.