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Thursday, 10.05.2018.

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"Resolution 1244 makes Kosovo's independence unlawful"

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic met on Thursday with President of Cyprus Nikos Anastasiades, <a href="https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=05&dd=10&nav_id=104126" class="text-link" target= "_blank">whom he welcomed in Belgrade earlier in the day.</a>

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Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"on the question of the ICJ most Albos, like you, don’t understand what is going on"

It's not rocket science, sj, everyone understands why Serbia chose that route, and why it chose to ask the question in that particular way. Nor it is hard to figure out the little switcheroo they were planning to play had the answer gone their way. If you think there was some kind of finesse in Serbia's strategy, I really feel sorry for you.


Also, yes, you don't set the programming, so why are you trying to chase others away? If this site talks about Albanians in the Serbian language, Albanians would not bother to comment. But if it does it in the English language, paying Google to up its ranking, it does so to aim for an international audience. Naturally when Albanians see this besmirching of their people and their country, they will comment to set the record straight. Internet has no borders. Unfortunately you can not handle an open debate, because you either dwell in conspiracy theories, or in blatant lies, or in bigoted/racist/genocidal thoughts, and that's why you are begging Albanians to please, please go away. Sorry dude, you can always go back and comment on the Serbian version of the site and be there as bigoted as you want.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

If an Albo site talked about Serbia or Serbs I would not even go on it, but its you guys that are so obsessed to comment. I can guarantee the clear majority of Serbs would not bother posting on an Albo site whereas you post on a Serb media site.
(sj, 16 May 2018 09:16)
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The reason we don't comment is because first, we don't care about what they say and second we have better things to do than to go on their site and annoy them. We are better than that.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 15 May 2018 19:50)

Who paid them? The west aka the US mate. Tadic has property in Austria, Germany and Switzerland – how do you think he amassed a small fortune? Working overtime while President?

Who is going to charge them? These people are protected, and no government will charge them with a traffic fine let alone treason. If you are that naïve to believe it otherwise then I can help you.

When you delve deeper on the question of the ICJ most Albos, like you, don’t understand what is going on nor the reasons behind it so it’s a waste of time trying to explain it to people like you.





If Kosova does not have any doubt that is independent nor do the majority of the countries in the world then who are you trying to convince? The Serbs or yourself.

The reason why is most of the news is about Albanians is a matter for that organisation not me? I don’t set the programming.

If an Albo site talked about Serbia or Serbs I would not even go on it, but its you guys that are so obsessed to comment. I can guarantee the clear majority of Serbs would not bother posting on an Albo site whereas you post on a Serb media site.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

The article is not showing something we don't already know.
It's not showing either who else beside modern Greeks has those genes (unless some one will claim there were inbred, all the people mixed with the other).


If you already knew that modern Peloponnesians had the same DNA as the ancient Mycenaeans and Cretans then you wouldn’t have made the claim about Kosovo Albanians. Secondly,the purpose of the DNA research was to prove any connections between modern Greeks and the ancient ones and They achieved that.
I have asked the same question many times before and let me ask you again. Can you show me any SERIOUS MODERN WORLD HISTORIAN who considers that Albanians have any relation to ancient peoples of the Balkans such as Macedonians, Dorians, Thessalians or Pelasgians, since the first three of them undoubtedly spoke Greek dialects and, in regards to the last ones, we don't have the slightest clue of what language they spoke?

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Vuk Jeremic and Boris Tadic were paid to ask a dubious question"
Who paid them, sj? Why hasn't the current government of Serbia charged them with treason? Or are they traitors as well? Do you see how fast you are going down the gutter of sillyness?

"But to remove any doubt why doesn’t Pristina go to the Court"
Kosova does not have any doubt that is independent nor do the majority of the countries in the world that recognized it as independent. But if you still have any doubts, please feel free to go back to ICJ and ask them another question.

And yes, I go to Kosova 2-3 times a year. It is a paradise compared to when it was ruled by Serbia.

If this is a Serb based medias site, why is the majority of the news about Albanians? Why are the Serbs and Vucic so obsessed with us? It's not healthy dudes.

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas,
The article is not showing something we don't already know.
It's not showing either who else beside modern Greeks has those genes (unless some one will claim there were inbred, all the people mixed with the other).

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

Explain to me how come Kosovar Albanians have pretty much the same haplogroup as Peloponnese Greeks, all referring to the same person living in the area thousand of years ago. We are talking about 27% to 33% match.
If KAlbanians were settled by Turks, so does the Christian Greeks in Peloponnese.
(Niko,

The only common feature between the Greeks of Peloponnese and Kosovo Albanians is that are both humans.All similarities stop there.If you really want to know who the modern Greeks are similar to just follow the link below:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 14 May 2018 21:05)

Vuk Jeremic and Boris Tadic were paid to ask a dubious question since it was obvious that a direct question on the actual separation of Kosovo from Serbia would have drawn a negative result and it would have looked bad for the USA. But to remove any doubt why doesn’t Pristina go to the Court and ask the question whether its separation was legal. It would remove any doubt for good.

I have been to Kosovo recently and if living like dogs is enjoying the fruits of Vuk’s legal interpretation then who am I to argue, but ask yourself why have over half a million left Kosovo since 1999?

On the issue of focusing on my culture perhaps you have not noticed this is a Serb based media site not Ablo so why don’t you go on your sites, if you even have one.

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas
I don't have to prove my Greekness to you or anyone else.
I don't play identity politics like you would expect me to to fulfill the narrative of national myths, being those of Albania or Greece.
Whether Albanians are native or settlers in the Balkans refer to the latest genetic studies avaible on internet. Explain to me how come Kosovar Albanians have pretty much the same haplogroup as Peloponnese Greeks, all referring to the same person living in the area thousand of years ago. We are talking about 27% to 33% match.
If KAlbanians were settled by Turks, so does the Christian Greeks in Peloponnese.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Albos have no understanding about the finesse of the legal system."

Yeah sure, I don't have an understanding of the finesse of the legal system, but thank God that Vuk Jeremic does. We'll just keep enjoying the fruits of his understanding.



"If I was an Albo ..."

Well, you are not an Albo, but if I was a Serbo, I would stop talking about Albanians day and night, and would focus on my own culture and society. But if I was so obsessed, I'd rather talk to them directly that badmouth them behind their back.

sj

pre 5 godina

There are 196 countries in the world. Please tell us, genius, how many of them obtained their independence from a legal ruling from ICJ?
(Albanopolis, 14 May 2018 06:37)

You quoted the ICJ not me. As I said Albos have no understanding about the finesse of the legal system. You guys are used to standing in the dock not on the other side.

If I was an Albo and certain on the standing of Kosovo plus have the military might on my side I would not bother posting on a Serb based website, but it appears that you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else of Kosovo’s independence.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

A legally endorsed declaration, paired with the military backing of the biggest alliance in the world, does make one independent. Kosova is more secure that Serbia will ever be and more secure than 99% of the countries in the world.
(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 16:55)
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Amen to that!! Those who give up freedom for temporary security deserve neither. Serbs have always fought for our freedom while Albanians have always looked for rulers. You guys are like minions, just slaves to your master.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Once again the finesse of legality pass Albos like you like a meteor."

Hahaha, the finesse of legality! It must pass the Serbian president as well since he called taking the case to ICJ "stupid and irresponsible policy that put the stamp on the envelope of Kosova's independence".

https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2018&mm=05&dd=13&nav_category=11&nav_id=1392048

There are 196 countries in the world. Please tell us, genius, how many of them obtained their independence from a legal ruling from ICJ?

icj1

pre 5 godina

He is just hypothesising as Kosovo is not independent as UNSCR1244 prevents it being independent
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

The UNSCR 1244 does not prevent anything being dependent or independent in its original version in Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish. But yes, you are correct based on the Serbian version of UNSCR 1244.
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As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent, as are the recent cases of both "Kosova"*** and Catalonia.
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

Of course, you are absolutely correct and "Kosova"*** is a perfect example of that indeed, since "Kosova"*** was independent from Serbia for almost 9 years before the declaration of independence in 2008.
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I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is.
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

It's not frustrating at all for "Kosova"*** to be independent from Serbia. But if Serbia is frustrated, well... yes, it is what it is.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

I am Albanian of Greek descent by blood. I am educated in Greece. That makes me Greek x 2.
Which Ghetto University you two graduated from?
(Niko,

By using the agrammatical moniker “Niko” doesn’t necessarily indicate your Greekness.If you were a Greek and educated in Greece-as you claim-you would’ve known that no Greek signs his name as “ Niko” but adds an s at the end and makes it “Nikos” which is short for Nikolaos.Furthermore,if you were a Greek you would’ve known that the Turks were alien to the history of Cyprus.Turkey invaded Cyprus illegally in 1974, carried ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots (1/4 of the population) and brought in afterwards hundreds of thousands of illegal Turkish settlers to change the demographics. Similar Ottoman policies were carried out in the Balkans during the Ottoman rule with massive Turkish migrations into the Balkan territories. Now “Niko” no Greek will ever claim that Turkey should’ve taken the whole of Cyprus and not be content with the 40% they currently occupy.My own guess is you’re an Albanian who is using Sub-Greek monikers for his own purposes,you’re not the first nor the last one.Not long ago various European news agencies were buzzing with stories of thousands of Albanians were entering their territories on forged Greek and Italian documents.So much for your “Greekness”

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas, CHiTown,
Thank you for your insults on personal level.
I have been called a dirty Greek, ignorant Albanian,stupid American , but now being called Ottoman turn and Gyftos is another honor, especially from you keyboard warriors.
I am Albanian of Greek descent by blood. I am educated in Greece. That makes me Greek x 2.
Which Ghetto University you two graduated from?

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

You may say you're an albanian but deep down you're an ignorant Ottoman Turk.Cyprus history didn't start in 1579 when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus but 4000 years ago.The Turks are just colonisers of Cyprus as Albanians are in Albania and Kosovo.If one was to apply your logic on Albania then the whole country should've been returned to Greece after the collapse of the Ottoman empire since the ancient Greek settlements extended as far as modern Montenegro.
(Leonidas, 12 May 2018 12:07)

Great point Leonidas. It's really difficult to get a point across to the Albanian Yiftos - they're lack of education and intellect really shines in this forum.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

Since GB withdraw from Cyprus it should have been returned to the Ottomans Empire successor state which is Turkey. Cyprus independence was a violation of Turkey territorial integrity.
Of course the above comments are ridiculous when apply to Cyprus and equally ridiculous when applying to Kosovo.
(Niko,

You may say you're an albanian but deep down you're an ignorant Ottoman Turk.Cyprus history didn't start in 1579 when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus but 4000 years ago.The Turks are just colonisers of Cyprus as Albanians are in Albania and Kosovo.If one was to apply your logic on Albania then the whole country should've been returned to Greece after the collapse of the Ottoman empire since the ancient Greek settlements extended as far as modern Montenegro.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 18:54)

Once again the finesse of legality pass Albos like you like a meteor. The Court was asked for a legal opinion not a ruling – there is difference – on the legality of declaring independence. I only used the example of seeking an opinion from a lawyer as an example since I did not want to complicate it for simple Albos. The advice provided was that since a declaration was not covered by international law it was not illegal. However, to obtain a ruling that separation was legal you need to go back to the Court, but since it would then open a pandora’s box for the US they will never allow it to happen since the Court would rule against the Albos as the separation was illegal under international law.

You need to lift your game and not lower yourself to writing non sense about Putin’s trolls.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

@ babbo nataleaj - Heavens no! I have nothing against the Albanian common spelling of their names...what I'm pointing out is the foolish names you Albanians use to make it look like the people around the whole world are supporting you...like "tom O'L...) name...I'm just pointing out you're an albanianian pretending to be Irish...The Irish, my friendaj, have no love for you Albanians...

That's all....by the way, Watcherovic is awesome, let's the world know I'm a proud Srb...think I'll keep it! Thanks;)
(Watcherovic, 11 May 2018 15:49)

This proud serb uses an english name while at the same time accusing albanians using foreign names. Now talking about the whole world and the love it shows towards the albanians and the serbs. You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.You do not represent the Irish or their opinion towards the albanians. But lets stick to facts. Serbs are the only european nation being bombed by western allies since the nazi germans. That is how much the world loves serbs.

Honcho

pre 5 godina

Isn't Cyprus the country which declared, they would not recognize Kosova even if Serbia would?
Isn't Cyprus in EU?

Looks like a nice place for Rocky for a vacation: "thank you Cyprus for recognizing Kosova, my next vacation is in Cyprus"

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion ... much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law. "

You got yourself confused, mate, a Court is not a Lawyer. A Lawyer does not take a vote; the ICJ heard different opinions and took a vote, on the "Accordance with International Law of the Unilateral Declaration of Independence In Respect of Kosovo" as requested by Serbia, and concluded that:
"the adoption of the declaration of independence of the 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'", nor did the adoption of the declaration of independence violate UN Security Council Resolution 1244, since this did not describe Kosovo's final status, nor had the Security Council reserved for itself the decision on final status"


"On the issue of declaring independence backed by military might, why are you on this site?"

Because this is an internet site, in the English language and open to anybody to would like to comment on the news it posts. You are not the owner of this site to tell me that I could not comment on it. Nor would commenting on an internet news site, would invalidate in any way, shape or form the independence of any country. Had that been the case, Putin's trolls would have taken over the world, and other countries would cease to exist.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 16:55)

Wrong Albo.

The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. An advisory opinion is an opinion issued by a court that merely advises on the legality or interpretation of law much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law.

The International Court said that there are no provisions under international law that prohibits the physical act of declaring independence. Therefore, the so-called physical declaration is not even recognized by the International Court or International law LOL. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.

However, the issue of Kosovo separating from Serbia is a legal matter that is covered by international law. If Kosovo wants real independence it must seek a ruling, not an opinion, on separation from Serbia, from the International Court to the effect that Kosovo is an independent state.

On the issue of declaring independence backed by military might, why are you on this site? If I was in your position I would not bother so that means you are trying to convince yourself? LOL

Thanks

pre 5 godina

These are the days when we have to be thankful to Jeremic for making the biggest blunder in the history of diplomacy when he asked the ICJ to give its opinion on whether Kosovo’s independence is legal or not.

Watcherovic

pre 5 godina

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)


Zoran,
Have the Serbs learned nothing from negotiating with the West. Do you want to see Serbia become a three time loser. First, in 1999 Serbia failed to take advantage of the offer made at Rambouillet and got bombed. Secondly, after a year and a half of negotiating the Ahtisaari plan, the Finnish guy got frustrated and shoved it down your throat. Thirdly and very soon, Serbia is going to be made an offer it can't afford to turn down, i.e. acknowledge the independence of Kosova. Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder. Off course, Putin will stand by helplessly, knowing Serbia was lost long ago.
(Tommy G., 11 May 2018 04:50)

@ tommy gaj - lol, we've been hearing this from you guys now , like...forever?

You're hanging your hat on "bigger" powers bullying Srbia into making you a "country"?
Good luck with that, LOL

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zoran: "I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is."

Far from frustrating, it is actually entertaining to have someone hypothesizing about international law in a press conference when there is an actual Court ruling. If every representative of every rock in the middle of the sea would make up rules on the fly - that would have been frustrating. Luckily - and with the help of Jeremic - we have a clear International Court ruling that legitimizes Kosova's independence. But, of course, some bozos can hypothesize all they want, because it's inconsequential.


"As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent,"

- A legally endorsed declaration, paired with the military backing of the biggest alliance in the world, does make one independent. Kosova is more secure that Serbia will ever be and more secure than 99% of the countries in the world.

Navi

pre 5 godina

You are so predictable. Didn't I say that in my previous comment about you won't be getting that point - just read above.

Let me predict you one more time. You will say that I don't understand your point. You want to bet?!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 21:09)

Of course I won't understand your point. Because you have no point to give. It's pretty clear. Your first post was nonsense. I pointed that out. You got angry and haughty. Very typical for someone who feels foolish for not having a point. You then spent all day yesterday and today defending it by accusing me and others out for being what you are: pointless. Many other besides me realize you have no point or argument. Maybe you feel you need to get the last word in, but you're only sounding less and less smart with every angry post your giving to defend your first foolish comment. Maybe you should give up.

Watcherovic

pre 5 godina

@Watcher

Why do you keep adding aj to the Albanians usernames? You think that is derogatory? Look how stupid it is Mr.Watcherovic.
(Babbo Natale, 11 May 2018 02:06)

@ babbo nataleaj - Heavens no! I have nothing against the Albanian common spelling of their names...what I'm pointing out is the foolish names you Albanians use to make it look like the people around the whole world are supporting you...like "tom O'L...) name...I'm just pointing out you're an albanianian pretending to be Irish...The Irish, my friendaj, have no love for you Albanians...

That's all....by the way, Watcherovic is awesome, let's the world know I'm a proud Srb...think I'll keep it! Thanks;)

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder.
(Tommy G., 11 May 2018 04:50)
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We have been humiliated throughout history, by the Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians and even the NAZIs. Oohhh, they are gone now so I wonder how this next "blunder" will be recorded in history? The US is looking very healthy as an empire, looks like it is going to last forever, while China and Russia are in the dumps. LOL!

Zoran

pre 5 godina

"Resolution 1244 makes Kosovo's independence unlawful"

Um, sorry Cyprus, this was mitigated at the International Court of Justice, that ruled that Kosova's declaration of independence is perfectly lawful.
(Albanopolis, 10 May 2018 23:06)
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He is just hypothesising as Kosovo is not independent as UNSCR1244 prevents it being independent regardless of the efforts made by the "independence" supporters. As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent, as are the recent cases of both "Kosova"*** and Catalonia.

I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

@ tomaj - not interested in getting into a stupid debate like that, but I can tell you ONE friend Putin has...Donald Trump!
(Watcher, 11 May 2018 00:21)

Is he the same Donald Trump who keeps increasing sanctions against Russia and pulled out of the agreement with Iran - Putin's coodestroyer of Syria? Yep, I agree, it is a stupid debate.

Tommy G.

pre 5 godina

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)


Zoran,
Have the Serbs learned nothing from negotiating with the West. Do you want to see Serbia become a three time loser. First, in 1999 Serbia failed to take advantage of the offer made at Rambouillet and got bombed. Secondly, after a year and a half of negotiating the Ahtisaari plan, the Finnish guy got frustrated and shoved it down your throat. Thirdly and very soon, Serbia is going to be made an offer it can't afford to turn down, i.e. acknowledge the independence of Kosova. Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder. Off course, Putin will stand by helplessly, knowing Serbia was lost long ago.

Tommy G.

pre 5 godina

Don't believe me? Ask the hordes looking for ways to escape this "paradise" called "kosova"..
(Watcher, 10 May 2018 15:26)


Not so fast, Watcheric, those hordes you are referring to include more than your fair share of Serbs. Otherwise, why are there so many ghost towns, especially near Nis. The young in Serbia have a very high unemployment rate equal to other parts of the Western Balkans.

Niko

pre 5 godina

Maybe Cyprus need to explain the legality of its own independence. To use Serbs terms for context of comparison, Cyprus was part of Ottoman Empire when it was occupied by Great Britain. Since GB withdraw from Cyprus it should have been returned to the Ottomans Empire successor state which is Turkey. Cyprus independence was a violation of Turkey territorial integrity.
Of course the above comments are ridiculous when apply to Cyprus and equally ridiculous when applying to Kosovo.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

@Watcher

Why do you keep adding aj to the Albanians usernames? You think that is derogatory? Look how stupid it is Mr.Watcherovic.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

May I kindly trouble you to enlighten us with the list of all Moscow's friends!? Actually one would suffice.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 18:28)

@ tomaj - not interested in getting into a stupid debate like that, but I can tell you ONE friend Putin has...Donald Trump!

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Resolution 1244 makes Kosovo's independence unlawful"

Um, sorry Cyprus, this was mitigated at the International Court of Justice, that ruled that Kosova's declaration of independence is perfectly lawful.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)

So in an attempt to explain the point you don't have, you decided to write back and make no sense to add to not having a point. Why do you even bother? You're only making a fool of yourself.
(Navi, 10 May 2018 19:56)

Navi,

You are so predictable. Didn't I say that in my previous comment about you won't be getting that point - just read above.

Let me predict you one more time. You will say that I don't understand your point. You want to bet?!!

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

you just refuse to see things for what they are..ignorance, maybe?
Russia's actions were just due only to the actions of western meddling into the business of these countries you mention.
Russia's actions weren't just because they "felt" like it...
I believe you know this, however you choose to try and discredit Putin & friends.
(Watcher, 10 May 2018 18:19)

Watcher,

Let me undo your thinking.

So, the dirty West meddled in Ukraine, Georgia and Syria, and by doing so, it interfered in those countries business, and Russia said 'hang on a minute, that's not right' and decided to help those countries by occupying huge parts of them (Georgia & Ukraine) and flatten them down fully (Syria), and according to your marvelous mind, Russia helped these countries by doing so!!!

I strongly advise you to drop the magical mushroom.

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14

If only you could spell to make your point.

Navi

pre 5 godina

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)

So in an attempt to explain the point you don't have, you decided to write back and make no sense to add to not having a point. Why do you even bother? You're only making a fool of yourself.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

Please email this opinion of yours to Putin. In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:22)

@ tomaj - you just refuse to see things for what they are..ignorance, maybe?
Russia's actions were just due only to the actions of western meddling into the business of these countries you mention.
Russia's actions weren't just because they "felt" like it...
I believe you know this, however you choose to try and discredit Putin & friends.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

.. That's the difference between Washington & Moscow..Moscow has friends, Washington has interests!...

(Watcher, 10 May 2018 15:26)

May I kindly trouble you to enlighten us with the list of all Moscow's friends!? Actually one would suffice.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:22)
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What did Russia do? You mean protect its interests? Ukraine, Georgia, Syria are a mess because of the west, not Russia. The precedent created by Kosovo is spreading around the world.

Also, UNSCR1244 is alive and well. Why else does the UNSC hold regular sessions on Kosovo? Because it's part of UNSCR1244, same reason UNMIK are still in Kosovo and why it's not independent.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

International Court has ruled on favour of Kosovo and clearly said that Independent of Kosovo did not violate any International law or any Resolution direct or indirect.

@ truth - It has ruled ANYBODY can DECLARE independence...it was a cowardly way of getting out of the question posed to them by Srbija.
However, it is exactly this ruling that all other "wanna be" countries like this land-grab theft abortion project called "kosova" are using to justify their agendas...Not exactly sure if that worked our for them, lol

Watcher

pre 5 godina

...I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?
(Navi, 10 May 2018 16:09)

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)
@ tomaj - actually, Navi has a great question we all are waiting to hear from you....don't dodge the question with your mumbo-jumbo posted above.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

...We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)

Please email this opinion of yours to Putin. In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

...I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?
(Navi, 10 May 2018 16:09)

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.

Navi

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 14:08)

Serbia supports the territorial integrity of Georgia, Ukraine, and Cyprus. It does not recognize any of the breakaway entities. This is common knowledge. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?

The Truth

pre 5 godina

You are a Coward , Cyprus is a mess and you come here and give us a lecture on Law.
International Court has ruled on favour of Kosovo and clearly said that Independent of Kosovo did not violate any International law or any Resolution direct or indirect.
UN resolution 1244 has died twice since ,first time on 2006 when serbia declared independence and Yugoslavia finished and second time on 2008 when Kosovo been declared Republic and independent State by elected MP’s from Kosovo people which they hold freely and democratic elections.
UN’s resolution mainly aimed to bring peace and stop the war and also it maded clearly that it’s up to people of Kosovo if they want to live with China or India or Want to form their own self government and thake their lives on their own.
When I hear comments like this makes me think some Politicians are Really crazy and Stupid
Or they don’t read or they just Stupid and been told to say whatever sh!t.

LOL

pre 5 godina

Unless you as a serb supporting Natural Albania....
(Azir, 10 May 2018 16:13)

A Serb, or anyone for that matter, supporting Natural Albania means Current Albania minus Skadar and Northern Epirus

Watcher

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.

Just another mutual patting shoulders exercise between people with hurt feelings for domestic use.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 14:08)

@ tomaj - It would be my suggestion for Georgia to ask USA to support them the same way Moscow is supporting Srbija!
That's the difference between Washington & Moscow..Moscow has friends, Washington has interests!
Albs - stop worrying about Srb politics and start focusing more on how to get your own "politicians", or leeches, to start doing their jobs! You're so busy whining about Dacic & Vucic that you fail to see your own :elected" are living the life with fancy cars, Villas, vacations, etc while the people are wondering where their next meal is coming from...
Don't believe me? Ask the hordes looking for ways to escape this "paradise" called "kosova"..

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.

Just another mutual patting shoulders exercise between people with hurt feelings for domestic use.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Hopefully a good reminder to Vucic that Serbia's sovereignty is not up for negotiations. We went through a lot and ended up with UNSCR1244, thus preventing "Kosova"*** becoming independent. They tried and they tried but have failed.

So lets not forget, it is the west that created chaos in the international system by breaking the rules. Their argument for this being a unique case, well, just ask Georgia, Ukraine, Spain, etc... what they think. Unique my a$$!

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Hopefully a good reminder to Vucic that Serbia's sovereignty is not up for negotiations. We went through a lot and ended up with UNSCR1244, thus preventing "Kosova"*** becoming independent. They tried and they tried but have failed.

So lets not forget, it is the west that created chaos in the international system by breaking the rules. Their argument for this being a unique case, well, just ask Georgia, Ukraine, Spain, etc... what they think. Unique my a$$!

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.

Just another mutual patting shoulders exercise between people with hurt feelings for domestic use.

Navi

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 14:08)

Serbia supports the territorial integrity of Georgia, Ukraine, and Cyprus. It does not recognize any of the breakaway entities. This is common knowledge. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?

LOL

pre 5 godina

Unless you as a serb supporting Natural Albania....
(Azir, 10 May 2018 16:13)

A Serb, or anyone for that matter, supporting Natural Albania means Current Albania minus Skadar and Northern Epirus

Watcher

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.

Just another mutual patting shoulders exercise between people with hurt feelings for domestic use.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 14:08)

@ tomaj - It would be my suggestion for Georgia to ask USA to support them the same way Moscow is supporting Srbija!
That's the difference between Washington & Moscow..Moscow has friends, Washington has interests!
Albs - stop worrying about Srb politics and start focusing more on how to get your own "politicians", or leeches, to start doing their jobs! You're so busy whining about Dacic & Vucic that you fail to see your own :elected" are living the life with fancy cars, Villas, vacations, etc while the people are wondering where their next meal is coming from...
Don't believe me? Ask the hordes looking for ways to escape this "paradise" called "kosova"..

The Truth

pre 5 godina

You are a Coward , Cyprus is a mess and you come here and give us a lecture on Law.
International Court has ruled on favour of Kosovo and clearly said that Independent of Kosovo did not violate any International law or any Resolution direct or indirect.
UN resolution 1244 has died twice since ,first time on 2006 when serbia declared independence and Yugoslavia finished and second time on 2008 when Kosovo been declared Republic and independent State by elected MP’s from Kosovo people which they hold freely and democratic elections.
UN’s resolution mainly aimed to bring peace and stop the war and also it maded clearly that it’s up to people of Kosovo if they want to live with China or India or Want to form their own self government and thake their lives on their own.
When I hear comments like this makes me think some Politicians are Really crazy and Stupid
Or they don’t read or they just Stupid and been told to say whatever sh!t.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

...We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)

Please email this opinion of yours to Putin. In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

...I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?
(Navi, 10 May 2018 16:09)

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

International Court has ruled on favour of Kosovo and clearly said that Independent of Kosovo did not violate any International law or any Resolution direct or indirect.

@ truth - It has ruled ANYBODY can DECLARE independence...it was a cowardly way of getting out of the question posed to them by Srbija.
However, it is exactly this ruling that all other "wanna be" countries like this land-grab theft abortion project called "kosova" are using to justify their agendas...Not exactly sure if that worked our for them, lol

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

.. That's the difference between Washington & Moscow..Moscow has friends, Washington has interests!...

(Watcher, 10 May 2018 15:26)

May I kindly trouble you to enlighten us with the list of all Moscow's friends!? Actually one would suffice.

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14

If only you could spell to make your point.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:22)
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What did Russia do? You mean protect its interests? Ukraine, Georgia, Syria are a mess because of the west, not Russia. The precedent created by Kosovo is spreading around the world.

Also, UNSCR1244 is alive and well. Why else does the UNSC hold regular sessions on Kosovo? Because it's part of UNSCR1244, same reason UNMIK are still in Kosovo and why it's not independent.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

Please email this opinion of yours to Putin. In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:22)

@ tomaj - you just refuse to see things for what they are..ignorance, maybe?
Russia's actions were just due only to the actions of western meddling into the business of these countries you mention.
Russia's actions weren't just because they "felt" like it...
I believe you know this, however you choose to try and discredit Putin & friends.

Navi

pre 5 godina

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)

So in an attempt to explain the point you don't have, you decided to write back and make no sense to add to not having a point. Why do you even bother? You're only making a fool of yourself.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

...I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?
(Navi, 10 May 2018 16:09)

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)
@ tomaj - actually, Navi has a great question we all are waiting to hear from you....don't dodge the question with your mumbo-jumbo posted above.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

Since GB withdraw from Cyprus it should have been returned to the Ottomans Empire successor state which is Turkey. Cyprus independence was a violation of Turkey territorial integrity.
Of course the above comments are ridiculous when apply to Cyprus and equally ridiculous when applying to Kosovo.
(Niko,

You may say you're an albanian but deep down you're an ignorant Ottoman Turk.Cyprus history didn't start in 1579 when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus but 4000 years ago.The Turks are just colonisers of Cyprus as Albanians are in Albania and Kosovo.If one was to apply your logic on Albania then the whole country should've been returned to Greece after the collapse of the Ottoman empire since the ancient Greek settlements extended as far as modern Montenegro.

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

You may say you're an albanian but deep down you're an ignorant Ottoman Turk.Cyprus history didn't start in 1579 when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus but 4000 years ago.The Turks are just colonisers of Cyprus as Albanians are in Albania and Kosovo.If one was to apply your logic on Albania then the whole country should've been returned to Greece after the collapse of the Ottoman empire since the ancient Greek settlements extended as far as modern Montenegro.
(Leonidas, 12 May 2018 12:07)

Great point Leonidas. It's really difficult to get a point across to the Albanian Yiftos - they're lack of education and intellect really shines in this forum.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

I am Albanian of Greek descent by blood. I am educated in Greece. That makes me Greek x 2.
Which Ghetto University you two graduated from?
(Niko,

By using the agrammatical moniker “Niko” doesn’t necessarily indicate your Greekness.If you were a Greek and educated in Greece-as you claim-you would’ve known that no Greek signs his name as “ Niko” but adds an s at the end and makes it “Nikos” which is short for Nikolaos.Furthermore,if you were a Greek you would’ve known that the Turks were alien to the history of Cyprus.Turkey invaded Cyprus illegally in 1974, carried ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots (1/4 of the population) and brought in afterwards hundreds of thousands of illegal Turkish settlers to change the demographics. Similar Ottoman policies were carried out in the Balkans during the Ottoman rule with massive Turkish migrations into the Balkan territories. Now “Niko” no Greek will ever claim that Turkey should’ve taken the whole of Cyprus and not be content with the 40% they currently occupy.My own guess is you’re an Albanian who is using Sub-Greek monikers for his own purposes,you’re not the first nor the last one.Not long ago various European news agencies were buzzing with stories of thousands of Albanians were entering their territories on forged Greek and Italian documents.So much for your “Greekness”

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Resolution 1244 makes Kosovo's independence unlawful"

Um, sorry Cyprus, this was mitigated at the International Court of Justice, that ruled that Kosova's declaration of independence is perfectly lawful.

Tommy G.

pre 5 godina

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)


Zoran,
Have the Serbs learned nothing from negotiating with the West. Do you want to see Serbia become a three time loser. First, in 1999 Serbia failed to take advantage of the offer made at Rambouillet and got bombed. Secondly, after a year and a half of negotiating the Ahtisaari plan, the Finnish guy got frustrated and shoved it down your throat. Thirdly and very soon, Serbia is going to be made an offer it can't afford to turn down, i.e. acknowledge the independence of Kosova. Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder. Off course, Putin will stand by helplessly, knowing Serbia was lost long ago.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

@ tomaj - not interested in getting into a stupid debate like that, but I can tell you ONE friend Putin has...Donald Trump!
(Watcher, 11 May 2018 00:21)

Is he the same Donald Trump who keeps increasing sanctions against Russia and pulled out of the agreement with Iran - Putin's coodestroyer of Syria? Yep, I agree, it is a stupid debate.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zoran: "I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is."

Far from frustrating, it is actually entertaining to have someone hypothesizing about international law in a press conference when there is an actual Court ruling. If every representative of every rock in the middle of the sea would make up rules on the fly - that would have been frustrating. Luckily - and with the help of Jeremic - we have a clear International Court ruling that legitimizes Kosova's independence. But, of course, some bozos can hypothesize all they want, because it's inconsequential.


"As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent,"

- A legally endorsed declaration, paired with the military backing of the biggest alliance in the world, does make one independent. Kosova is more secure that Serbia will ever be and more secure than 99% of the countries in the world.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

you just refuse to see things for what they are..ignorance, maybe?
Russia's actions were just due only to the actions of western meddling into the business of these countries you mention.
Russia's actions weren't just because they "felt" like it...
I believe you know this, however you choose to try and discredit Putin & friends.
(Watcher, 10 May 2018 18:19)

Watcher,

Let me undo your thinking.

So, the dirty West meddled in Ukraine, Georgia and Syria, and by doing so, it interfered in those countries business, and Russia said 'hang on a minute, that's not right' and decided to help those countries by occupying huge parts of them (Georgia & Ukraine) and flatten them down fully (Syria), and according to your marvelous mind, Russia helped these countries by doing so!!!

I strongly advise you to drop the magical mushroom.

Tommy G.

pre 5 godina

Don't believe me? Ask the hordes looking for ways to escape this "paradise" called "kosova"..
(Watcher, 10 May 2018 15:26)


Not so fast, Watcheric, those hordes you are referring to include more than your fair share of Serbs. Otherwise, why are there so many ghost towns, especially near Nis. The young in Serbia have a very high unemployment rate equal to other parts of the Western Balkans.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion ... much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law. "

You got yourself confused, mate, a Court is not a Lawyer. A Lawyer does not take a vote; the ICJ heard different opinions and took a vote, on the "Accordance with International Law of the Unilateral Declaration of Independence In Respect of Kosovo" as requested by Serbia, and concluded that:
"the adoption of the declaration of independence of the 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'", nor did the adoption of the declaration of independence violate UN Security Council Resolution 1244, since this did not describe Kosovo's final status, nor had the Security Council reserved for itself the decision on final status"


"On the issue of declaring independence backed by military might, why are you on this site?"

Because this is an internet site, in the English language and open to anybody to would like to comment on the news it posts. You are not the owner of this site to tell me that I could not comment on it. Nor would commenting on an internet news site, would invalidate in any way, shape or form the independence of any country. Had that been the case, Putin's trolls would have taken over the world, and other countries would cease to exist.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

@ babbo nataleaj - Heavens no! I have nothing against the Albanian common spelling of their names...what I'm pointing out is the foolish names you Albanians use to make it look like the people around the whole world are supporting you...like "tom O'L...) name...I'm just pointing out you're an albanianian pretending to be Irish...The Irish, my friendaj, have no love for you Albanians...

That's all....by the way, Watcherovic is awesome, let's the world know I'm a proud Srb...think I'll keep it! Thanks;)
(Watcherovic, 11 May 2018 15:49)

This proud serb uses an english name while at the same time accusing albanians using foreign names. Now talking about the whole world and the love it shows towards the albanians and the serbs. You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.You do not represent the Irish or their opinion towards the albanians. But lets stick to facts. Serbs are the only european nation being bombed by western allies since the nazi germans. That is how much the world loves serbs.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 18:54)

Once again the finesse of legality pass Albos like you like a meteor. The Court was asked for a legal opinion not a ruling – there is difference – on the legality of declaring independence. I only used the example of seeking an opinion from a lawyer as an example since I did not want to complicate it for simple Albos. The advice provided was that since a declaration was not covered by international law it was not illegal. However, to obtain a ruling that separation was legal you need to go back to the Court, but since it would then open a pandora’s box for the US they will never allow it to happen since the Court would rule against the Albos as the separation was illegal under international law.

You need to lift your game and not lower yourself to writing non sense about Putin’s trolls.

sj

pre 5 godina

There are 196 countries in the world. Please tell us, genius, how many of them obtained their independence from a legal ruling from ICJ?
(Albanopolis, 14 May 2018 06:37)

You quoted the ICJ not me. As I said Albos have no understanding about the finesse of the legal system. You guys are used to standing in the dock not on the other side.

If I was an Albo and certain on the standing of Kosovo plus have the military might on my side I would not bother posting on a Serb based website, but it appears that you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else of Kosovo’s independence.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)

So in an attempt to explain the point you don't have, you decided to write back and make no sense to add to not having a point. Why do you even bother? You're only making a fool of yourself.
(Navi, 10 May 2018 19:56)

Navi,

You are so predictable. Didn't I say that in my previous comment about you won't be getting that point - just read above.

Let me predict you one more time. You will say that I don't understand your point. You want to bet?!!

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder.
(Tommy G., 11 May 2018 04:50)
--
We have been humiliated throughout history, by the Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians and even the NAZIs. Oohhh, they are gone now so I wonder how this next "blunder" will be recorded in history? The US is looking very healthy as an empire, looks like it is going to last forever, while China and Russia are in the dumps. LOL!

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

Explain to me how come Kosovar Albanians have pretty much the same haplogroup as Peloponnese Greeks, all referring to the same person living in the area thousand of years ago. We are talking about 27% to 33% match.
If KAlbanians were settled by Turks, so does the Christian Greeks in Peloponnese.
(Niko,

The only common feature between the Greeks of Peloponnese and Kosovo Albanians is that are both humans.All similarities stop there.If you really want to know who the modern Greeks are similar to just follow the link below:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

Niko

pre 5 godina

Maybe Cyprus need to explain the legality of its own independence. To use Serbs terms for context of comparison, Cyprus was part of Ottoman Empire when it was occupied by Great Britain. Since GB withdraw from Cyprus it should have been returned to the Ottomans Empire successor state which is Turkey. Cyprus independence was a violation of Turkey territorial integrity.
Of course the above comments are ridiculous when apply to Cyprus and equally ridiculous when applying to Kosovo.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

"Resolution 1244 makes Kosovo's independence unlawful"

Um, sorry Cyprus, this was mitigated at the International Court of Justice, that ruled that Kosova's declaration of independence is perfectly lawful.
(Albanopolis, 10 May 2018 23:06)
--
He is just hypothesising as Kosovo is not independent as UNSCR1244 prevents it being independent regardless of the efforts made by the "independence" supporters. As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent, as are the recent cases of both "Kosova"*** and Catalonia.

I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is.

Navi

pre 5 godina

You are so predictable. Didn't I say that in my previous comment about you won't be getting that point - just read above.

Let me predict you one more time. You will say that I don't understand your point. You want to bet?!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 21:09)

Of course I won't understand your point. Because you have no point to give. It's pretty clear. Your first post was nonsense. I pointed that out. You got angry and haughty. Very typical for someone who feels foolish for not having a point. You then spent all day yesterday and today defending it by accusing me and others out for being what you are: pointless. Many other besides me realize you have no point or argument. Maybe you feel you need to get the last word in, but you're only sounding less and less smart with every angry post your giving to defend your first foolish comment. Maybe you should give up.

Watcherovic

pre 5 godina

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)


Zoran,
Have the Serbs learned nothing from negotiating with the West. Do you want to see Serbia become a three time loser. First, in 1999 Serbia failed to take advantage of the offer made at Rambouillet and got bombed. Secondly, after a year and a half of negotiating the Ahtisaari plan, the Finnish guy got frustrated and shoved it down your throat. Thirdly and very soon, Serbia is going to be made an offer it can't afford to turn down, i.e. acknowledge the independence of Kosova. Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder. Off course, Putin will stand by helplessly, knowing Serbia was lost long ago.
(Tommy G., 11 May 2018 04:50)

@ tommy gaj - lol, we've been hearing this from you guys now , like...forever?

You're hanging your hat on "bigger" powers bullying Srbia into making you a "country"?
Good luck with that, LOL

Thanks

pre 5 godina

These are the days when we have to be thankful to Jeremic for making the biggest blunder in the history of diplomacy when he asked the ICJ to give its opinion on whether Kosovo’s independence is legal or not.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 16:55)

Wrong Albo.

The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. An advisory opinion is an opinion issued by a court that merely advises on the legality or interpretation of law much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law.

The International Court said that there are no provisions under international law that prohibits the physical act of declaring independence. Therefore, the so-called physical declaration is not even recognized by the International Court or International law LOL. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.

However, the issue of Kosovo separating from Serbia is a legal matter that is covered by international law. If Kosovo wants real independence it must seek a ruling, not an opinion, on separation from Serbia, from the International Court to the effect that Kosovo is an independent state.

On the issue of declaring independence backed by military might, why are you on this site? If I was in your position I would not bother so that means you are trying to convince yourself? LOL

Zoran

pre 5 godina

A legally endorsed declaration, paired with the military backing of the biggest alliance in the world, does make one independent. Kosova is more secure that Serbia will ever be and more secure than 99% of the countries in the world.
(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 16:55)
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Amen to that!! Those who give up freedom for temporary security deserve neither. Serbs have always fought for our freedom while Albanians have always looked for rulers. You guys are like minions, just slaves to your master.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

@Watcher

Why do you keep adding aj to the Albanians usernames? You think that is derogatory? Look how stupid it is Mr.Watcherovic.

Watcherovic

pre 5 godina

@Watcher

Why do you keep adding aj to the Albanians usernames? You think that is derogatory? Look how stupid it is Mr.Watcherovic.
(Babbo Natale, 11 May 2018 02:06)

@ babbo nataleaj - Heavens no! I have nothing against the Albanian common spelling of their names...what I'm pointing out is the foolish names you Albanians use to make it look like the people around the whole world are supporting you...like "tom O'L...) name...I'm just pointing out you're an albanianian pretending to be Irish...The Irish, my friendaj, have no love for you Albanians...

That's all....by the way, Watcherovic is awesome, let's the world know I'm a proud Srb...think I'll keep it! Thanks;)

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas, CHiTown,
Thank you for your insults on personal level.
I have been called a dirty Greek, ignorant Albanian,stupid American , but now being called Ottoman turn and Gyftos is another honor, especially from you keyboard warriors.
I am Albanian of Greek descent by blood. I am educated in Greece. That makes me Greek x 2.
Which Ghetto University you two graduated from?

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 14 May 2018 21:05)

Vuk Jeremic and Boris Tadic were paid to ask a dubious question since it was obvious that a direct question on the actual separation of Kosovo from Serbia would have drawn a negative result and it would have looked bad for the USA. But to remove any doubt why doesn’t Pristina go to the Court and ask the question whether its separation was legal. It would remove any doubt for good.

I have been to Kosovo recently and if living like dogs is enjoying the fruits of Vuk’s legal interpretation then who am I to argue, but ask yourself why have over half a million left Kosovo since 1999?

On the issue of focusing on my culture perhaps you have not noticed this is a Serb based media site not Ablo so why don’t you go on your sites, if you even have one.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

The article is not showing something we don't already know.
It's not showing either who else beside modern Greeks has those genes (unless some one will claim there were inbred, all the people mixed with the other).


If you already knew that modern Peloponnesians had the same DNA as the ancient Mycenaeans and Cretans then you wouldn’t have made the claim about Kosovo Albanians. Secondly,the purpose of the DNA research was to prove any connections between modern Greeks and the ancient ones and They achieved that.
I have asked the same question many times before and let me ask you again. Can you show me any SERIOUS MODERN WORLD HISTORIAN who considers that Albanians have any relation to ancient peoples of the Balkans such as Macedonians, Dorians, Thessalians or Pelasgians, since the first three of them undoubtedly spoke Greek dialects and, in regards to the last ones, we don't have the slightest clue of what language they spoke?

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"on the question of the ICJ most Albos, like you, don’t understand what is going on"

It's not rocket science, sj, everyone understands why Serbia chose that route, and why it chose to ask the question in that particular way. Nor it is hard to figure out the little switcheroo they were planning to play had the answer gone their way. If you think there was some kind of finesse in Serbia's strategy, I really feel sorry for you.


Also, yes, you don't set the programming, so why are you trying to chase others away? If this site talks about Albanians in the Serbian language, Albanians would not bother to comment. But if it does it in the English language, paying Google to up its ranking, it does so to aim for an international audience. Naturally when Albanians see this besmirching of their people and their country, they will comment to set the record straight. Internet has no borders. Unfortunately you can not handle an open debate, because you either dwell in conspiracy theories, or in blatant lies, or in bigoted/racist/genocidal thoughts, and that's why you are begging Albanians to please, please go away. Sorry dude, you can always go back and comment on the Serbian version of the site and be there as bigoted as you want.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

May I kindly trouble you to enlighten us with the list of all Moscow's friends!? Actually one would suffice.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 18:28)

@ tomaj - not interested in getting into a stupid debate like that, but I can tell you ONE friend Putin has...Donald Trump!

Honcho

pre 5 godina

Isn't Cyprus the country which declared, they would not recognize Kosova even if Serbia would?
Isn't Cyprus in EU?

Looks like a nice place for Rocky for a vacation: "thank you Cyprus for recognizing Kosova, my next vacation is in Cyprus"

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 15 May 2018 19:50)

Who paid them? The west aka the US mate. Tadic has property in Austria, Germany and Switzerland – how do you think he amassed a small fortune? Working overtime while President?

Who is going to charge them? These people are protected, and no government will charge them with a traffic fine let alone treason. If you are that naïve to believe it otherwise then I can help you.

When you delve deeper on the question of the ICJ most Albos, like you, don’t understand what is going on nor the reasons behind it so it’s a waste of time trying to explain it to people like you.





If Kosova does not have any doubt that is independent nor do the majority of the countries in the world then who are you trying to convince? The Serbs or yourself.

The reason why is most of the news is about Albanians is a matter for that organisation not me? I don’t set the programming.

If an Albo site talked about Serbia or Serbs I would not even go on it, but its you guys that are so obsessed to comment. I can guarantee the clear majority of Serbs would not bother posting on an Albo site whereas you post on a Serb media site.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

If an Albo site talked about Serbia or Serbs I would not even go on it, but its you guys that are so obsessed to comment. I can guarantee the clear majority of Serbs would not bother posting on an Albo site whereas you post on a Serb media site.
(sj, 16 May 2018 09:16)
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The reason we don't comment is because first, we don't care about what they say and second we have better things to do than to go on their site and annoy them. We are better than that.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Once again the finesse of legality pass Albos like you like a meteor."

Hahaha, the finesse of legality! It must pass the Serbian president as well since he called taking the case to ICJ "stupid and irresponsible policy that put the stamp on the envelope of Kosova's independence".

https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2018&mm=05&dd=13&nav_category=11&nav_id=1392048

There are 196 countries in the world. Please tell us, genius, how many of them obtained their independence from a legal ruling from ICJ?

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas
I don't have to prove my Greekness to you or anyone else.
I don't play identity politics like you would expect me to to fulfill the narrative of national myths, being those of Albania or Greece.
Whether Albanians are native or settlers in the Balkans refer to the latest genetic studies avaible on internet. Explain to me how come Kosovar Albanians have pretty much the same haplogroup as Peloponnese Greeks, all referring to the same person living in the area thousand of years ago. We are talking about 27% to 33% match.
If KAlbanians were settled by Turks, so does the Christian Greeks in Peloponnese.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Vuk Jeremic and Boris Tadic were paid to ask a dubious question"
Who paid them, sj? Why hasn't the current government of Serbia charged them with treason? Or are they traitors as well? Do you see how fast you are going down the gutter of sillyness?

"But to remove any doubt why doesn’t Pristina go to the Court"
Kosova does not have any doubt that is independent nor do the majority of the countries in the world that recognized it as independent. But if you still have any doubts, please feel free to go back to ICJ and ask them another question.

And yes, I go to Kosova 2-3 times a year. It is a paradise compared to when it was ruled by Serbia.

If this is a Serb based medias site, why is the majority of the news about Albanians? Why are the Serbs and Vucic so obsessed with us? It's not healthy dudes.

icj1

pre 5 godina

He is just hypothesising as Kosovo is not independent as UNSCR1244 prevents it being independent
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

The UNSCR 1244 does not prevent anything being dependent or independent in its original version in Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish. But yes, you are correct based on the Serbian version of UNSCR 1244.
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As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent, as are the recent cases of both "Kosova"*** and Catalonia.
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

Of course, you are absolutely correct and "Kosova"*** is a perfect example of that indeed, since "Kosova"*** was independent from Serbia for almost 9 years before the declaration of independence in 2008.
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I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is.
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

It's not frustrating at all for "Kosova"*** to be independent from Serbia. But if Serbia is frustrated, well... yes, it is what it is.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Albos have no understanding about the finesse of the legal system."

Yeah sure, I don't have an understanding of the finesse of the legal system, but thank God that Vuk Jeremic does. We'll just keep enjoying the fruits of his understanding.



"If I was an Albo ..."

Well, you are not an Albo, but if I was a Serbo, I would stop talking about Albanians day and night, and would focus on my own culture and society. But if I was so obsessed, I'd rather talk to them directly that badmouth them behind their back.

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas,
The article is not showing something we don't already know.
It's not showing either who else beside modern Greeks has those genes (unless some one will claim there were inbred, all the people mixed with the other).

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.

Just another mutual patting shoulders exercise between people with hurt feelings for domestic use.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Hopefully a good reminder to Vucic that Serbia's sovereignty is not up for negotiations. We went through a lot and ended up with UNSCR1244, thus preventing "Kosova"*** becoming independent. They tried and they tried but have failed.

So lets not forget, it is the west that created chaos in the international system by breaking the rules. Their argument for this being a unique case, well, just ask Georgia, Ukraine, Spain, etc... what they think. Unique my a$$!

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.

Just another mutual patting shoulders exercise between people with hurt feelings for domestic use.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 14:08)

@ tomaj - It would be my suggestion for Georgia to ask USA to support them the same way Moscow is supporting Srbija!
That's the difference between Washington & Moscow..Moscow has friends, Washington has interests!
Albs - stop worrying about Srb politics and start focusing more on how to get your own "politicians", or leeches, to start doing their jobs! You're so busy whining about Dacic & Vucic that you fail to see your own :elected" are living the life with fancy cars, Villas, vacations, etc while the people are wondering where their next meal is coming from...
Don't believe me? Ask the hordes looking for ways to escape this "paradise" called "kosova"..

LOL

pre 5 godina

Unless you as a serb supporting Natural Albania....
(Azir, 10 May 2018 16:13)

A Serb, or anyone for that matter, supporting Natural Albania means Current Albania minus Skadar and Northern Epirus

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

...We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)

Please email this opinion of yours to Putin. In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.

The Truth

pre 5 godina

You are a Coward , Cyprus is a mess and you come here and give us a lecture on Law.
International Court has ruled on favour of Kosovo and clearly said that Independent of Kosovo did not violate any International law or any Resolution direct or indirect.
UN resolution 1244 has died twice since ,first time on 2006 when serbia declared independence and Yugoslavia finished and second time on 2008 when Kosovo been declared Republic and independent State by elected MP’s from Kosovo people which they hold freely and democratic elections.
UN’s resolution mainly aimed to bring peace and stop the war and also it maded clearly that it’s up to people of Kosovo if they want to live with China or India or Want to form their own self government and thake their lives on their own.
When I hear comments like this makes me think some Politicians are Really crazy and Stupid
Or they don’t read or they just Stupid and been told to say whatever sh!t.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

...I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?
(Navi, 10 May 2018 16:09)

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

.. That's the difference between Washington & Moscow..Moscow has friends, Washington has interests!...

(Watcher, 10 May 2018 15:26)

May I kindly trouble you to enlighten us with the list of all Moscow's friends!? Actually one would suffice.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

International Court has ruled on favour of Kosovo and clearly said that Independent of Kosovo did not violate any International law or any Resolution direct or indirect.

@ truth - It has ruled ANYBODY can DECLARE independence...it was a cowardly way of getting out of the question posed to them by Srbija.
However, it is exactly this ruling that all other "wanna be" countries like this land-grab theft abortion project called "kosova" are using to justify their agendas...Not exactly sure if that worked our for them, lol

Zoran

pre 5 godina

In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:22)
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What did Russia do? You mean protect its interests? Ukraine, Georgia, Syria are a mess because of the west, not Russia. The precedent created by Kosovo is spreading around the world.

Also, UNSCR1244 is alive and well. Why else does the UNSC hold regular sessions on Kosovo? Because it's part of UNSCR1244, same reason UNMIK are still in Kosovo and why it's not independent.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

Please email this opinion of yours to Putin. In your previous comments you didn't hide your joy for what Russia has done to Ukraine, Georgia and Syria. You don't add up.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:22)

@ tomaj - you just refuse to see things for what they are..ignorance, maybe?
Russia's actions were just due only to the actions of western meddling into the business of these countries you mention.
Russia's actions weren't just because they "felt" like it...
I believe you know this, however you choose to try and discredit Putin & friends.

Navi

pre 5 godina

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)

So in an attempt to explain the point you don't have, you decided to write back and make no sense to add to not having a point. Why do you even bother? You're only making a fool of yourself.

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14

If only you could spell to make your point.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

...I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?
(Navi, 10 May 2018 16:09)

The explanation why you don't get my point, and any other point, is in your nickname with last two letters swoping places. Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)
@ tomaj - actually, Navi has a great question we all are waiting to hear from you....don't dodge the question with your mumbo-jumbo posted above.

Navi

pre 5 godina

It would be very interesting if Gergian president Giorgi Margvelashvili comes to Serbia and states the equivalent about his country's sovereignty.

I don't remember Vučić to have dared to remind Putin about Ukraine's sovereignty nor Erdogan about Cyprus's sovereignty when he was in both Russia and Turkey few days ago.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 14:08)

Serbia supports the territorial integrity of Georgia, Ukraine, and Cyprus. It does not recognize any of the breakaway entities. This is common knowledge. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you even have a point?

Zoran

pre 5 godina

"Resolution 1244 makes Kosovo's independence unlawful"

Um, sorry Cyprus, this was mitigated at the International Court of Justice, that ruled that Kosova's declaration of independence is perfectly lawful.
(Albanopolis, 10 May 2018 23:06)
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He is just hypothesising as Kosovo is not independent as UNSCR1244 prevents it being independent regardless of the efforts made by the "independence" supporters. As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent, as are the recent cases of both "Kosova"*** and Catalonia.

I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is.

Watcherovic

pre 5 godina

@Watcher

Why do you keep adding aj to the Albanians usernames? You think that is derogatory? Look how stupid it is Mr.Watcherovic.
(Babbo Natale, 11 May 2018 02:06)

@ babbo nataleaj - Heavens no! I have nothing against the Albanian common spelling of their names...what I'm pointing out is the foolish names you Albanians use to make it look like the people around the whole world are supporting you...like "tom O'L...) name...I'm just pointing out you're an albanianian pretending to be Irish...The Irish, my friendaj, have no love for you Albanians...

That's all....by the way, Watcherovic is awesome, let's the world know I'm a proud Srb...think I'll keep it! Thanks;)

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas, CHiTown,
Thank you for your insults on personal level.
I have been called a dirty Greek, ignorant Albanian,stupid American , but now being called Ottoman turn and Gyftos is another honor, especially from you keyboard warriors.
I am Albanian of Greek descent by blood. I am educated in Greece. That makes me Greek x 2.
Which Ghetto University you two graduated from?

Tommy G.

pre 5 godina

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)


Zoran,
Have the Serbs learned nothing from negotiating with the West. Do you want to see Serbia become a three time loser. First, in 1999 Serbia failed to take advantage of the offer made at Rambouillet and got bombed. Secondly, after a year and a half of negotiating the Ahtisaari plan, the Finnish guy got frustrated and shoved it down your throat. Thirdly and very soon, Serbia is going to be made an offer it can't afford to turn down, i.e. acknowledge the independence of Kosova. Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder. Off course, Putin will stand by helplessly, knowing Serbia was lost long ago.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder.
(Tommy G., 11 May 2018 04:50)
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We have been humiliated throughout history, by the Ottomans, Austro-Hungarians and even the NAZIs. Oohhh, they are gone now so I wonder how this next "blunder" will be recorded in history? The US is looking very healthy as an empire, looks like it is going to last forever, while China and Russia are in the dumps. LOL!

Watcherovic

pre 5 godina

We can negotiate technical issues but sovereignty is not up for negotiations.
(Zoran, 10 May 2018 14:35)


Zoran,
Have the Serbs learned nothing from negotiating with the West. Do you want to see Serbia become a three time loser. First, in 1999 Serbia failed to take advantage of the offer made at Rambouillet and got bombed. Secondly, after a year and a half of negotiating the Ahtisaari plan, the Finnish guy got frustrated and shoved it down your throat. Thirdly and very soon, Serbia is going to be made an offer it can't afford to turn down, i.e. acknowledge the independence of Kosova. Not accepting this generous offer will leave Serbia humiliated and faced with having it recorded in history as a major political blunder. Off course, Putin will stand by helplessly, knowing Serbia was lost long ago.
(Tommy G., 11 May 2018 04:50)

@ tommy gaj - lol, we've been hearing this from you guys now , like...forever?

You're hanging your hat on "bigger" powers bullying Srbia into making you a "country"?
Good luck with that, LOL

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 16:55)

Wrong Albo.

The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. An advisory opinion is an opinion issued by a court that merely advises on the legality or interpretation of law much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law.

The International Court said that there are no provisions under international law that prohibits the physical act of declaring independence. Therefore, the so-called physical declaration is not even recognized by the International Court or International law LOL. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.

However, the issue of Kosovo separating from Serbia is a legal matter that is covered by international law. If Kosovo wants real independence it must seek a ruling, not an opinion, on separation from Serbia, from the International Court to the effect that Kosovo is an independent state.

On the issue of declaring independence backed by military might, why are you on this site? If I was in your position I would not bother so that means you are trying to convince yourself? LOL

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

You may say you're an albanian but deep down you're an ignorant Ottoman Turk.Cyprus history didn't start in 1579 when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus but 4000 years ago.The Turks are just colonisers of Cyprus as Albanians are in Albania and Kosovo.If one was to apply your logic on Albania then the whole country should've been returned to Greece after the collapse of the Ottoman empire since the ancient Greek settlements extended as far as modern Montenegro.
(Leonidas, 12 May 2018 12:07)

Great point Leonidas. It's really difficult to get a point across to the Albanian Yiftos - they're lack of education and intellect really shines in this forum.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

May I kindly trouble you to enlighten us with the list of all Moscow's friends!? Actually one would suffice.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 18:28)

@ tomaj - not interested in getting into a stupid debate like that, but I can tell you ONE friend Putin has...Donald Trump!

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 18:54)

Once again the finesse of legality pass Albos like you like a meteor. The Court was asked for a legal opinion not a ruling – there is difference – on the legality of declaring independence. I only used the example of seeking an opinion from a lawyer as an example since I did not want to complicate it for simple Albos. The advice provided was that since a declaration was not covered by international law it was not illegal. However, to obtain a ruling that separation was legal you need to go back to the Court, but since it would then open a pandora’s box for the US they will never allow it to happen since the Court would rule against the Albos as the separation was illegal under international law.

You need to lift your game and not lower yourself to writing non sense about Putin’s trolls.

icj1

pre 5 godina

He is just hypothesising as Kosovo is not independent as UNSCR1244 prevents it being independent
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

The UNSCR 1244 does not prevent anything being dependent or independent in its original version in Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish. But yes, you are correct based on the Serbian version of UNSCR 1244.
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As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent, as are the recent cases of both "Kosova"*** and Catalonia.
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

Of course, you are absolutely correct and "Kosova"*** is a perfect example of that indeed, since "Kosova"*** was independent from Serbia for almost 9 years before the declaration of independence in 2008.
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I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is.
(Zoran, 11 May 2018 11:17)

It's not frustrating at all for "Kosova"*** to be independent from Serbia. But if Serbia is frustrated, well... yes, it is what it is.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Resolution 1244 makes Kosovo's independence unlawful"

Um, sorry Cyprus, this was mitigated at the International Court of Justice, that ruled that Kosova's declaration of independence is perfectly lawful.

Navi

pre 5 godina

You are so predictable. Didn't I say that in my previous comment about you won't be getting that point - just read above.

Let me predict you one more time. You will say that I don't understand your point. You want to bet?!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 21:09)

Of course I won't understand your point. Because you have no point to give. It's pretty clear. Your first post was nonsense. I pointed that out. You got angry and haughty. Very typical for someone who feels foolish for not having a point. You then spent all day yesterday and today defending it by accusing me and others out for being what you are: pointless. Many other besides me realize you have no point or argument. Maybe you feel you need to get the last word in, but you're only sounding less and less smart with every angry post your giving to defend your first foolish comment. Maybe you should give up.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Once again the finesse of legality pass Albos like you like a meteor."

Hahaha, the finesse of legality! It must pass the Serbian president as well since he called taking the case to ICJ "stupid and irresponsible policy that put the stamp on the envelope of Kosova's independence".

https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2018&mm=05&dd=13&nav_category=11&nav_id=1392048

There are 196 countries in the world. Please tell us, genius, how many of them obtained their independence from a legal ruling from ICJ?

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

... Probably you won't get this point too. So, no point pointing you to things due to your pointlessness.
(Tom L'Orizi, 10 May 2018 17:14)

So in an attempt to explain the point you don't have, you decided to write back and make no sense to add to not having a point. Why do you even bother? You're only making a fool of yourself.
(Navi, 10 May 2018 19:56)

Navi,

You are so predictable. Didn't I say that in my previous comment about you won't be getting that point - just read above.

Let me predict you one more time. You will say that I don't understand your point. You want to bet?!!

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

you just refuse to see things for what they are..ignorance, maybe?
Russia's actions were just due only to the actions of western meddling into the business of these countries you mention.
Russia's actions weren't just because they "felt" like it...
I believe you know this, however you choose to try and discredit Putin & friends.
(Watcher, 10 May 2018 18:19)

Watcher,

Let me undo your thinking.

So, the dirty West meddled in Ukraine, Georgia and Syria, and by doing so, it interfered in those countries business, and Russia said 'hang on a minute, that's not right' and decided to help those countries by occupying huge parts of them (Georgia & Ukraine) and flatten them down fully (Syria), and according to your marvelous mind, Russia helped these countries by doing so!!!

I strongly advise you to drop the magical mushroom.

Tommy G.

pre 5 godina

Don't believe me? Ask the hordes looking for ways to escape this "paradise" called "kosova"..
(Watcher, 10 May 2018 15:26)


Not so fast, Watcheric, those hordes you are referring to include more than your fair share of Serbs. Otherwise, why are there so many ghost towns, especially near Nis. The young in Serbia have a very high unemployment rate equal to other parts of the Western Balkans.

Niko

pre 5 godina

Maybe Cyprus need to explain the legality of its own independence. To use Serbs terms for context of comparison, Cyprus was part of Ottoman Empire when it was occupied by Great Britain. Since GB withdraw from Cyprus it should have been returned to the Ottomans Empire successor state which is Turkey. Cyprus independence was a violation of Turkey territorial integrity.
Of course the above comments are ridiculous when apply to Cyprus and equally ridiculous when applying to Kosovo.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

@ tomaj - not interested in getting into a stupid debate like that, but I can tell you ONE friend Putin has...Donald Trump!
(Watcher, 11 May 2018 00:21)

Is he the same Donald Trump who keeps increasing sanctions against Russia and pulled out of the agreement with Iran - Putin's coodestroyer of Syria? Yep, I agree, it is a stupid debate.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zoran: "I understand it's frustrating but it is what it is."

Far from frustrating, it is actually entertaining to have someone hypothesizing about international law in a press conference when there is an actual Court ruling. If every representative of every rock in the middle of the sea would make up rules on the fly - that would have been frustrating. Luckily - and with the help of Jeremic - we have a clear International Court ruling that legitimizes Kosova's independence. But, of course, some bozos can hypothesize all they want, because it's inconsequential.


"As for actually declaring independence, that does not make one independent,"

- A legally endorsed declaration, paired with the military backing of the biggest alliance in the world, does make one independent. Kosova is more secure that Serbia will ever be and more secure than 99% of the countries in the world.

Honcho

pre 5 godina

Isn't Cyprus the country which declared, they would not recognize Kosova even if Serbia would?
Isn't Cyprus in EU?

Looks like a nice place for Rocky for a vacation: "thank you Cyprus for recognizing Kosova, my next vacation is in Cyprus"

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

Since GB withdraw from Cyprus it should have been returned to the Ottomans Empire successor state which is Turkey. Cyprus independence was a violation of Turkey territorial integrity.
Of course the above comments are ridiculous when apply to Cyprus and equally ridiculous when applying to Kosovo.
(Niko,

You may say you're an albanian but deep down you're an ignorant Ottoman Turk.Cyprus history didn't start in 1579 when the Ottomans invaded Cyprus but 4000 years ago.The Turks are just colonisers of Cyprus as Albanians are in Albania and Kosovo.If one was to apply your logic on Albania then the whole country should've been returned to Greece after the collapse of the Ottoman empire since the ancient Greek settlements extended as far as modern Montenegro.

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas
I don't have to prove my Greekness to you or anyone else.
I don't play identity politics like you would expect me to to fulfill the narrative of national myths, being those of Albania or Greece.
Whether Albanians are native or settlers in the Balkans refer to the latest genetic studies avaible on internet. Explain to me how come Kosovar Albanians have pretty much the same haplogroup as Peloponnese Greeks, all referring to the same person living in the area thousand of years ago. We are talking about 27% to 33% match.
If KAlbanians were settled by Turks, so does the Christian Greeks in Peloponnese.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

@Watcher

Why do you keep adding aj to the Albanians usernames? You think that is derogatory? Look how stupid it is Mr.Watcherovic.

Babbo Natale

pre 5 godina

@ babbo nataleaj - Heavens no! I have nothing against the Albanian common spelling of their names...what I'm pointing out is the foolish names you Albanians use to make it look like the people around the whole world are supporting you...like "tom O'L...) name...I'm just pointing out you're an albanianian pretending to be Irish...The Irish, my friendaj, have no love for you Albanians...

That's all....by the way, Watcherovic is awesome, let's the world know I'm a proud Srb...think I'll keep it! Thanks;)
(Watcherovic, 11 May 2018 15:49)

This proud serb uses an english name while at the same time accusing albanians using foreign names. Now talking about the whole world and the love it shows towards the albanians and the serbs. You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts.You do not represent the Irish or their opinion towards the albanians. But lets stick to facts. Serbs are the only european nation being bombed by western allies since the nazi germans. That is how much the world loves serbs.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Albos have no understanding about the finesse of the legal system."

Yeah sure, I don't have an understanding of the finesse of the legal system, but thank God that Vuk Jeremic does. We'll just keep enjoying the fruits of his understanding.



"If I was an Albo ..."

Well, you are not an Albo, but if I was a Serbo, I would stop talking about Albanians day and night, and would focus on my own culture and society. But if I was so obsessed, I'd rather talk to them directly that badmouth them behind their back.

Niko

pre 5 godina

Leonidas,
The article is not showing something we don't already know.
It's not showing either who else beside modern Greeks has those genes (unless some one will claim there were inbred, all the people mixed with the other).

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"Vuk Jeremic and Boris Tadic were paid to ask a dubious question"
Who paid them, sj? Why hasn't the current government of Serbia charged them with treason? Or are they traitors as well? Do you see how fast you are going down the gutter of sillyness?

"But to remove any doubt why doesn’t Pristina go to the Court"
Kosova does not have any doubt that is independent nor do the majority of the countries in the world that recognized it as independent. But if you still have any doubts, please feel free to go back to ICJ and ask them another question.

And yes, I go to Kosova 2-3 times a year. It is a paradise compared to when it was ruled by Serbia.

If this is a Serb based medias site, why is the majority of the news about Albanians? Why are the Serbs and Vucic so obsessed with us? It's not healthy dudes.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 15 May 2018 19:50)

Who paid them? The west aka the US mate. Tadic has property in Austria, Germany and Switzerland – how do you think he amassed a small fortune? Working overtime while President?

Who is going to charge them? These people are protected, and no government will charge them with a traffic fine let alone treason. If you are that naïve to believe it otherwise then I can help you.

When you delve deeper on the question of the ICJ most Albos, like you, don’t understand what is going on nor the reasons behind it so it’s a waste of time trying to explain it to people like you.





If Kosova does not have any doubt that is independent nor do the majority of the countries in the world then who are you trying to convince? The Serbs or yourself.

The reason why is most of the news is about Albanians is a matter for that organisation not me? I don’t set the programming.

If an Albo site talked about Serbia or Serbs I would not even go on it, but its you guys that are so obsessed to comment. I can guarantee the clear majority of Serbs would not bother posting on an Albo site whereas you post on a Serb media site.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

If an Albo site talked about Serbia or Serbs I would not even go on it, but its you guys that are so obsessed to comment. I can guarantee the clear majority of Serbs would not bother posting on an Albo site whereas you post on a Serb media site.
(sj, 16 May 2018 09:16)
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The reason we don't comment is because first, we don't care about what they say and second we have better things to do than to go on their site and annoy them. We are better than that.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"on the question of the ICJ most Albos, like you, don’t understand what is going on"

It's not rocket science, sj, everyone understands why Serbia chose that route, and why it chose to ask the question in that particular way. Nor it is hard to figure out the little switcheroo they were planning to play had the answer gone their way. If you think there was some kind of finesse in Serbia's strategy, I really feel sorry for you.


Also, yes, you don't set the programming, so why are you trying to chase others away? If this site talks about Albanians in the Serbian language, Albanians would not bother to comment. But if it does it in the English language, paying Google to up its ranking, it does so to aim for an international audience. Naturally when Albanians see this besmirching of their people and their country, they will comment to set the record straight. Internet has no borders. Unfortunately you can not handle an open debate, because you either dwell in conspiracy theories, or in blatant lies, or in bigoted/racist/genocidal thoughts, and that's why you are begging Albanians to please, please go away. Sorry dude, you can always go back and comment on the Serbian version of the site and be there as bigoted as you want.

Thanks

pre 5 godina

These are the days when we have to be thankful to Jeremic for making the biggest blunder in the history of diplomacy when he asked the ICJ to give its opinion on whether Kosovo’s independence is legal or not.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

"The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion ... much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law. "

You got yourself confused, mate, a Court is not a Lawyer. A Lawyer does not take a vote; the ICJ heard different opinions and took a vote, on the "Accordance with International Law of the Unilateral Declaration of Independence In Respect of Kosovo" as requested by Serbia, and concluded that:
"the adoption of the declaration of independence of the 17 February 2008 did not violate general international law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'", nor did the adoption of the declaration of independence violate UN Security Council Resolution 1244, since this did not describe Kosovo's final status, nor had the Security Council reserved for itself the decision on final status"


"On the issue of declaring independence backed by military might, why are you on this site?"

Because this is an internet site, in the English language and open to anybody to would like to comment on the news it posts. You are not the owner of this site to tell me that I could not comment on it. Nor would commenting on an internet news site, would invalidate in any way, shape or form the independence of any country. Had that been the case, Putin's trolls would have taken over the world, and other countries would cease to exist.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

I am Albanian of Greek descent by blood. I am educated in Greece. That makes me Greek x 2.
Which Ghetto University you two graduated from?
(Niko,

By using the agrammatical moniker “Niko” doesn’t necessarily indicate your Greekness.If you were a Greek and educated in Greece-as you claim-you would’ve known that no Greek signs his name as “ Niko” but adds an s at the end and makes it “Nikos” which is short for Nikolaos.Furthermore,if you were a Greek you would’ve known that the Turks were alien to the history of Cyprus.Turkey invaded Cyprus illegally in 1974, carried ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots (1/4 of the population) and brought in afterwards hundreds of thousands of illegal Turkish settlers to change the demographics. Similar Ottoman policies were carried out in the Balkans during the Ottoman rule with massive Turkish migrations into the Balkan territories. Now “Niko” no Greek will ever claim that Turkey should’ve taken the whole of Cyprus and not be content with the 40% they currently occupy.My own guess is you’re an Albanian who is using Sub-Greek monikers for his own purposes,you’re not the first nor the last one.Not long ago various European news agencies were buzzing with stories of thousands of Albanians were entering their territories on forged Greek and Italian documents.So much for your “Greekness”

Zoran

pre 5 godina

A legally endorsed declaration, paired with the military backing of the biggest alliance in the world, does make one independent. Kosova is more secure that Serbia will ever be and more secure than 99% of the countries in the world.
(Albanopolis, 11 May 2018 16:55)
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Amen to that!! Those who give up freedom for temporary security deserve neither. Serbs have always fought for our freedom while Albanians have always looked for rulers. You guys are like minions, just slaves to your master.

sj

pre 5 godina

There are 196 countries in the world. Please tell us, genius, how many of them obtained their independence from a legal ruling from ICJ?
(Albanopolis, 14 May 2018 06:37)

You quoted the ICJ not me. As I said Albos have no understanding about the finesse of the legal system. You guys are used to standing in the dock not on the other side.

If I was an Albo and certain on the standing of Kosovo plus have the military might on my side I would not bother posting on a Serb based website, but it appears that you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else of Kosovo’s independence.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Albanopolis, 14 May 2018 21:05)

Vuk Jeremic and Boris Tadic were paid to ask a dubious question since it was obvious that a direct question on the actual separation of Kosovo from Serbia would have drawn a negative result and it would have looked bad for the USA. But to remove any doubt why doesn’t Pristina go to the Court and ask the question whether its separation was legal. It would remove any doubt for good.

I have been to Kosovo recently and if living like dogs is enjoying the fruits of Vuk’s legal interpretation then who am I to argue, but ask yourself why have over half a million left Kosovo since 1999?

On the issue of focusing on my culture perhaps you have not noticed this is a Serb based media site not Ablo so why don’t you go on your sites, if you even have one.

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

Explain to me how come Kosovar Albanians have pretty much the same haplogroup as Peloponnese Greeks, all referring to the same person living in the area thousand of years ago. We are talking about 27% to 33% match.
If KAlbanians were settled by Turks, so does the Christian Greeks in Peloponnese.
(Niko,

The only common feature between the Greeks of Peloponnese and Kosovo Albanians is that are both humans.All similarities stop there.If you really want to know who the modern Greeks are similar to just follow the link below:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

Leonidas

pre 5 godina

The article is not showing something we don't already know.
It's not showing either who else beside modern Greeks has those genes (unless some one will claim there were inbred, all the people mixed with the other).


If you already knew that modern Peloponnesians had the same DNA as the ancient Mycenaeans and Cretans then you wouldn’t have made the claim about Kosovo Albanians. Secondly,the purpose of the DNA research was to prove any connections between modern Greeks and the ancient ones and They achieved that.
I have asked the same question many times before and let me ask you again. Can you show me any SERIOUS MODERN WORLD HISTORIAN who considers that Albanians have any relation to ancient peoples of the Balkans such as Macedonians, Dorians, Thessalians or Pelasgians, since the first three of them undoubtedly spoke Greek dialects and, in regards to the last ones, we don't have the slightest clue of what language they spoke?