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EU removes Kosovo symbols after receiving Serbia's protest

The Serbian Mission to the EU has sent a protest note to President of the European Committee of the Regions Karl-Heinz Lambertz.

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Aleks

pre 5 godina

Do original Americans have a say in America ?!! Did they evolve?! Did they even want to evolve ?!

Thats Albanians in the Balkans !
In fact ! Its not Albanians ! Its Shqipetar- illyrians !
Albanians are only the people in the Albans province ! Shqipetare - illyrians are all balkans ! Give them rights and see how many albanians wake up !

Dont forget that any albanian hero in Greece , Serbia , Montenegro , Italy ... in fact has been given any identity the history has chosen !

Dont forget that Albanians - illyrians- helens are one of the most genocided population on the planet !
As far as we know ... persia genocided them , ottmans , slavic ....

The biggest mistake is .... what is Albania ?! Albania is just a broken piece of the real Shqipetarian , illyrian, pelasgian people !
They are treated as second citizens in their own lands !
When you loose , you loose ! Illyrians have lost their plot and god help them ....

For more ...
Search ...
Genocide of Greeks ( now greeks are not greeks )on Çam population , Albanians on many occasions different years.


Genocie of Ottmans on Albanians 500 years ,

Genocide of slavic Montenegro on Albanians .
Genocide of Serbs on Albanians on many occasions .

Now ... what its believed the Helens as they say ... and illyrians ... last survivers are in the Albanian lands ... around the mountains ...

I am one of them !
My Heritage DNA came
95 percent Illyrian- Helenic and 5 percent English !!

Honcho

pre 5 godina

The documents written in Albanian did not appear before 1400-s, but I recall there is one document from 1200-s.

That makes even Sinti / Roma accounts on Balkan older, than Albanian.

However, Albanians are much longer there. Just without written language, without any building erected earlier than 1200-s and without known leaders.

The answer is probably the life style. Living up in the mountains and taking care of living stock is a different set of challenges.

That explains Ghegs. But I honestly do not understand about Tosks. They live in coastal areas, have different life style - but still are far from what Illyrians used to be.

And there is no sign of any meaningful resistance to Slavonic invasions.

That just happened: on the ruins of Roman Empire the Slavs appeared in big mass, without much resistance they settled as south as Thessaloniki.

The Church-Slavonic is in the fact what used to be the local Slavonic dialect of Thessaloniki. And it was chosen as the "Latin" for Slavs. If that's the case, there should be a big mass of Slavs at that time everywhere in the area.

So where was that Pelasgian Empire of proto-Albanians? They just peacefully disappeared without trace, without buildings, without roads, without coins...

Honcho

pre 5 godina

If albanians were in the Balkans before the begining of time how come you havent evolved more? You should be a prosporus regional leder. Your neither! Not even close.
(hank the Tank, 6 May 2018 09:03)

Good question. There is no good answer to it - except that Illyrians are essentially the Dalmatinci today. Even Glagolitsa, the early Croatian writing was called "Illyrian writing" in medieval times.

I have no doubt that Albanians in some form lived there for at least 3000 years, maybe more. Their problem is that they have pretty much zero to do with Illyrians.

For instance, why Illyrians were feared pirates - but Albanians did not do much in Venetian or Ottoman navy. Did they "forgot" how to do seal the sea?

On the other side of course Croatians from the coast were all over Venetian, Genovese, Spanish, Ottoman navy. So they did not forgot about the seas.

And why Glagolitic ("Illyrian") writing can be seen today all over HR on the road signs - but not a single trace of it in Albania?

Bullfrog

pre 5 godina

ChiTown,
Trolling has finally caught up with you. Serbs and Turks have the most similar DNA than any other Balkan group. It is no wonder since many Serbs were high up in the Turkish Army, some achieving the title of Pasha.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

@DedaCvetko
Easy to explain. Serbs destroyed them and/or presented them as their own.
(Avni, 5 May 2018 14:14)
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Riiight. so as soon as you got a chance you took a dump in them and broke the crosses and vandalized them.
If they were your originally, why did you do that?

hank the Tank

pre 5 godina

If albanians were in the Balkans before the begining of time how come you havent evolved more? You should be a prosporus regional leder. Your neither! Not even close.

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Chitown


Can you please provide any sources( non-serbian) that confirms your delusional bs propaganda? I thought so. I have sources based on FACTS that confirms that serbs did not migrate to the balkans until 500 A.D. while you can only throw nationalist trantrums. If Albanians are "Turks" then why are we not speaking a Turkic language but an indo-european language? Why are we not related and dont share the same genetic links with Turks? Why are there no scientific sources that confirms your pathetic lies? Can you provide me any academic sources about migrations from Anatolia? Thought so. You are neither educated or smart. All you can do is throwing insults and call me "troll" because you dont like the truth. Not my problem
(Cushing, 5 May 2018 19:25)

Cushy, I must of struck a chord with the Anatolia comment. I never see you Albos get so wound up until you mention your ancestral home - be proud of your Turkish heritage, after all, they did rule in the Balkans for a long time. Okay, for argument sake, let's say you aren't (wink, wink) from Anatolia. Let's just agree that you are Turkish leftovers from the Ottoman Empire - seems fair and accurate to me. No one in Europe looks more like the Turks than the Albanians - I wonder why this is?!?!

trizo

pre 5 godina

Cushing,

I never said Serbs were in Serbia before 500 AD so what the hell are you talking about?

I said that Albanians were most definitely after the slavs... and there's no evidence of them in Kosovo before 1200 (if that).

Before you reply, try to understand the content of the discussion first so you can make your next post relevant.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

I can not believe how much people on this website say they are a product of 1000s of years incest. :D This includes guys from all sides. There is are genetically neither serbs, albanians, croatians, bosnians, greeks, romanians, bulgarians,... in the balkans. It is all a mix, just different languages, borders and religions are today defining the so called ethnical groups.
Regards a balkanian

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Chitown


Can you please provide any sources( non-serbian) that confirms your delusional bs propaganda? I thought so. I have sources based on FACTS that confirms that serbs did not migrate to the balkans until 500 A.D. while you can only throw nationalist trantrums. If Albanians are "Turks" then why are we not speaking a Turkic language but an indo-european language? Why are we not related and dont share the same genetic links with Turks? Why are there no scientific sources that confirms your pathetic lies? Can you provide me any academic sources about migrations from Anatolia? Thought so. You are neither educated or smart. All you can do is throwing insults and call me "troll" because you dont like the truth. Not my problem

WeWuzAncientIllyrians

pre 5 godina

The albos in this comment section (and in general) are absolutely delusional, they're so "native to the Balkans" that before the 13th century no one even noticed their extremely inbred gibberish language (of course reporting a crime) "The first written mention of the Albanian language was on 14 July 1284 in Dubrovnik in modern Croatia when a crime witness named Matthew testified: "I heard a voice shouting on the mountainside in the Albanian language" (Latin: Audivi unam vocem, clamantem in monte in lingua albanesca).[22][23]". There are no such things as" true natives"to the Balkans because if you go back far enough you'll see that every one immigrated at some point, Greeks from Ethiopia, Romanians from further east (same as Slavs), albos from hell once Satan was sick of them, etc, your inbred abomination of a nation wouldn't even exist without the West creating it, same as Kosovo, the west created "albania" and when they wish it so they will unmake it, you are a mongrel race and if you ever doubt it just look in the mirror if you can afford one, no further evidence is needed...

Avni

pre 5 godina

What's happening Serbs 😁

Ponovo panoi sa kosovskim simbolima u Briselu http://www.rtv.rs/sr_lat/politika/ponovo-panoi-sa-kosovskim-simbolima-u-briselu_915558.html

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Trizo


Posting "source" from a Russian propaganda site does not change anything. You are still immigrants from Central asia. Can you provide any source about serbs in Europe before 500 A.D.? Dont think so. Because you arrived in the balkans during the 6th century. Your "history" starts at 500 A.D. as a slavic tribe that settled in Moesia. You are slavs. And you came from central asia. End of that discussion

Trizo

pre 5 godina

You should have treated Albanians in Kosovo as equals and not second class citizens in their own lands during Yugoslavia, now your actions have come back and bitten you on your backside.
(Drink And Be Happy, 5 May 2018 00:5

Are you high?
Do you have any understanding of what happened during Yugoslavia? This is when they got the MOST rights... treated better than everyone else.

Starting to plan greater Albania and exploit the hospitality. Bit by bit, Serbs diminished.

Why would the population of Serbs continue decreasing but the Albanian increase with such “bad treatment” etc.

You can make up lies like the west as much as you want, but the reality is that Serbs were driven out of Kosovo.

Kosovo is a sacred place for Serbs, sacred monasteries etc.. serbs don’t just pack up and leave after such a long history there. It was in fact the powerhouse of Serbia for a long time.

Our numbers just decreased due to giving too many rights to Albanians. Then the autonomy spiraled out of control, the KLA pushed independence long before 99. No country will stand still while a Rebel group starts planning succession and starts killing Serbian citizens.

Mik

pre 5 godina

Time for Albanians to accept their greater Albanian project is dead and buried or they'll end up losing Albania in the long run. Serbia and Greece will divide up the left overs. Kosovo is Serbia.

DEDA CVETKO

pre 5 godina

"We dont speak a Turkic languange and neither do we share any genetic link with Turks. Both our genetics as well as languange and culture is the evidence that we are a paleo-balkanic people. You however are not native to the balkans. You are foreigners that colonized the balkans during the 6th century. You don't belong here. It's not your home. Never been and never will be your "home". You are slavic immigrants. Truth hurts, i know but in time you will accept that you are all immigrants and that you don't belong in the balkans.
(Cushing, 4 May 2018 17:02)"

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If you are so "indigenous" to the Balkans, why aren't there any monuments, churches, cemeteries, shrines, medieval deeds or documentary evidence of you "indigenous" presence in the Balkans older than 1650 AD?

icj1

pre 5 godina

There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand.
(Trizo, 4 May 2018 16:31)

And there is literally no data or evidence that suggest Serbs inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 5-600 (if that). There’s no mention of Serbs beforehand. So, what's your point?!
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You’re turks mixed with whatever descendants of ancient apes you want to call yourselves.
(Trizo, 4 May 2018 16:31)

So that means that Serbs are similar to the Albanians, since Serbs descended from ancient apes, too. You see, Serbs and Albanians have so many things in common, which is great.

Niko

pre 5 godina

The article is misleading at best..
It's not until the last paragraph that you discover that symbols were removed to please the 5 EU members that haven't recognized Kosovo, not to respect Serbia.
In fact this makes Serbia look like Slovakias or Romanias secretary..."dont forgot sir your appointment at six and that no Kosovo symbols are to be displayed as we don't recognize it."

Drink And Be Happy

pre 5 godina

Allot of back and forth here about each others origins. Serbs and other Southern Slavs are a mix of the native Balkan people and Slavic settlers between the 5-7th Centuries AD. Albanians are one of the three native ethnic groups in the Balkans alongside Greeks and present day Romanians ie. Vlachs. Everyone has a right to be here as all people can trace all or part of their heritage to the region. Pointless fighting amongst kin and the fact that you are pawns in America’s and Russia’s proxy wars is even more hilarious. Kosovo has made it very clear they don’t want to be part of Serbia or Albania, they want independence and they aren’t going change their ambitions because Serbs don’t like it. You should have treated Albanians in Kosovo as equals and not second class citizens in their own lands during Yugoslavia, now your actions have come back and bitten you on your backside.

Trizo

pre 5 godina

Albos who speak Serbian ... https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/zivot/201805041115484382-malagurski-albanci-iliri/?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=hzg7&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Even serb historians agree on this. serbs did not exist as a people before 500 A.D. Everyone knows this
(Cushing, 4 May 2018 16:52) # Comment link

Cushy, maybe you can enlighten us. So, your theory is that the Serbs just randomly travelled through a black hole, through time and space, from a parallel universe and somehow arrived 500AD to this wonderful paradise we call the Balkans - interesting... however, I think the Albanians travelled this same path, but didn't arrive in the Balkans well after 1389 .... this makes more sense!!! The irony here is that you're not even a good TROLL... Shame on you and all your ancestors from that parallel universe (aka Anatolia).

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Trizo "There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand. "

Your ignorance is epic. Albanopolis was founded in the 7th - 6th century BC and mentioned by Ptolemy in 150AD. So, yes, there is evidence and there is data.

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Serb's the west is totally laughing at you http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/war-with-croatia-provides-vucic-with-cheap-thrills-05-03-2018 and your cadre of buffoonery "politicians". The more things change in Serbia the more they revert back to the same old Serb buffoonish ways. Yes they took Kosovo symbols so did they every one else when the meeting was over. Serb's go from victory to victory only in their delusional minds. Where is that Guru Karadzic https://boingboing.net/2016/03/24/radovan-karadzic-will-die-in-j.html when Serbs need him the most to cure you from delusions.

Watcher

pre 5 godina

You know what they say: "If you can't beat them, join them", meaning EU 😂
(Avni, 4 May 2018 17:23)

@ avniaj - lol, we're trying, lol!

Truth hurts.

pre 5 godina

"All symbols and markings representing Kosovo as a state have been removed" I guess that Serbian toilet paper worked after all :) Albanians lose again lol

The truth

pre 5 godina

Lol stop playing jokes I have seen many documents and other Kosovo symbols in Serbia all Officials Document are accepted in Serbia that have Symbols and Republic of Kosovo on them and you trying to make something out of kosovo with EU. Serbian Diplomacy and Government lately are proving that are Slobodan Milloshevich Followers not just with Kosovo but with Bosnia ,Croatia to but as sllobo did lose you will lose to.Poor serbia it’s start crying Kosovo Kosovo,Bosnia Bosnia ,Croatia Croatia just go and change the way you treat Vojvodina and Sanxhak as if you don’t you will lose those to and them you will have only Belgrade left.
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Avni

pre 5 godina

@Trizo
You must have watched too many Serbian propaganda movies. Even your PM these days is telling you to stop believing fairytales/myths. Let's hope when you join EU you'll become smarter. You know what they say: "If you can't beat them, join them", meaning EU 😂

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Trizio

"Turks"

We dont speak a Turkic languange and neither do we share any genetic link with Turks. Both our genetics as well as languange and culture is the evidence that we are a paleo-balkanic people. You however are not native to the balkans. You are foreigners that colonized the balkans during the 6th century. You don't belong here. It's not your home. Never been and never will be your "home". You are slavic immigrants. Truth hurts, i know but in time you will accept that you are all immigrants and that you don't belong in the balkans.

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Ratko

No you are not. You came to the balkans during the 6th century. You are slavs. Slavs are not native to the balkans. And serbs are slavs. Slavs migrated to the balkans during the 6th century. Even your historians agree that serbs settled in the balkans during the 6th century. This is basic fact that everyone agrees on. You are NOT native. You came and settled here during the 6th century. serbian history starts at 500 A.D. because that is the time when you migrated to europe. This not based on racism or insults, this is something everyone else agrees on. Even serb historians agree on this. serbs did not exist as a people before 500 A.D. Everyone knows this

prco

pre 5 godina

The department of paper recycling will take care of it “Your protests note” (Albanian American, 04. maj 2018 15:52) And the waste department will take care of your symbols

Trizo

pre 5 godina

You might be right, but long long loooong before anybody else . Or to maker clear so even you will understand that we are Autochthonous here
(Who, 4 May 2018 15:49)

There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand. You’re turks mixed with whatever descendants of ancient apes you want to call yourselves. There’s no link to ilyrians, that’s a fairytale you’re told at school and other folklore stories because you didn’t descend from one origin.

Who

pre 5 godina

Abanians on the other hand originate from mountains around black sea from that region (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the real invaders.
(Ratko, 4 May 2018 15:25)


You might be right, but long long loooong before anybody else . Or to maker clear so even you will understand that we are Autochthonous here

Ratko

pre 5 godina

@ cushing = internet paid troll

You are writing and repeating disinformation anti serb genocidal propaganda every day on this site.

Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. You know it and I know it. We never came from "somewhere" and invaded. This is the truth.

Abanians on the other hand originate from mountains around black sea from that region (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the real invaders.

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Why cant serbs crawl back to Russia where they came from? Your not native in the balkans or europe. You dont belong here. You are immigrants.Foreigners. You came and settled in the balkans during the 6th century and this is a FACT. Read any sources you find and they will tell you the same. "serbia" is not even your home to begin with. It was called Moesia and it was inhabited by Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians and Romans, before serbs came and pushed them out. No such thing as "serbian territory". You are invaders. End of that

Ratko

pre 5 godina

@ cushing = internet paid troll

You are writing and repeating disinformation anti serb genocidal propaganda every day on this site.

Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. You know it and I know it. We never came from "somewhere" and invaded. This is the truth.

Abanians on the other hand originate from mountains around black sea from that region (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the real invaders.

Trizo

pre 5 godina

You might be right, but long long loooong before anybody else . Or to maker clear so even you will understand that we are Autochthonous here
(Who, 4 May 2018 15:49)

There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand. You’re turks mixed with whatever descendants of ancient apes you want to call yourselves. There’s no link to ilyrians, that’s a fairytale you’re told at school and other folklore stories because you didn’t descend from one origin.

prco

pre 5 godina

The department of paper recycling will take care of it “Your protests note” (Albanian American, 04. maj 2018 15:52) And the waste department will take care of your symbols

Truth hurts.

pre 5 godina

"All symbols and markings representing Kosovo as a state have been removed" I guess that Serbian toilet paper worked after all :) Albanians lose again lol

DEDA CVETKO

pre 5 godina

"We dont speak a Turkic languange and neither do we share any genetic link with Turks. Both our genetics as well as languange and culture is the evidence that we are a paleo-balkanic people. You however are not native to the balkans. You are foreigners that colonized the balkans during the 6th century. You don't belong here. It's not your home. Never been and never will be your "home". You are slavic immigrants. Truth hurts, i know but in time you will accept that you are all immigrants and that you don't belong in the balkans.
(Cushing, 4 May 2018 17:02)"

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If you are so "indigenous" to the Balkans, why aren't there any monuments, churches, cemeteries, shrines, medieval deeds or documentary evidence of you "indigenous" presence in the Balkans older than 1650 AD?

Mik

pre 5 godina

Time for Albanians to accept their greater Albanian project is dead and buried or they'll end up losing Albania in the long run. Serbia and Greece will divide up the left overs. Kosovo is Serbia.

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Why cant serbs crawl back to Russia where they came from? Your not native in the balkans or europe. You dont belong here. You are immigrants.Foreigners. You came and settled in the balkans during the 6th century and this is a FACT. Read any sources you find and they will tell you the same. "serbia" is not even your home to begin with. It was called Moesia and it was inhabited by Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians and Romans, before serbs came and pushed them out. No such thing as "serbian territory". You are invaders. End of that

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Serb's the west is totally laughing at you http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/war-with-croatia-provides-vucic-with-cheap-thrills-05-03-2018 and your cadre of buffoonery "politicians". The more things change in Serbia the more they revert back to the same old Serb buffoonish ways. Yes they took Kosovo symbols so did they every one else when the meeting was over. Serb's go from victory to victory only in their delusional minds. Where is that Guru Karadzic https://boingboing.net/2016/03/24/radovan-karadzic-will-die-in-j.html when Serbs need him the most to cure you from delusions.

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Trizio

"Turks"

We dont speak a Turkic languange and neither do we share any genetic link with Turks. Both our genetics as well as languange and culture is the evidence that we are a paleo-balkanic people. You however are not native to the balkans. You are foreigners that colonized the balkans during the 6th century. You don't belong here. It's not your home. Never been and never will be your "home". You are slavic immigrants. Truth hurts, i know but in time you will accept that you are all immigrants and that you don't belong in the balkans.

The truth

pre 5 godina

Lol stop playing jokes I have seen many documents and other Kosovo symbols in Serbia all Officials Document are accepted in Serbia that have Symbols and Republic of Kosovo on them and you trying to make something out of kosovo with EU. Serbian Diplomacy and Government lately are proving that are Slobodan Milloshevich Followers not just with Kosovo but with Bosnia ,Croatia to but as sllobo did lose you will lose to.Poor serbia it’s start crying Kosovo Kosovo,Bosnia Bosnia ,Croatia Croatia just go and change the way you treat Vojvodina and Sanxhak as if you don’t you will lose those to and them you will have only Belgrade left.
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Avni

pre 5 godina

@Trizo
You must have watched too many Serbian propaganda movies. Even your PM these days is telling you to stop believing fairytales/myths. Let's hope when you join EU you'll become smarter. You know what they say: "If you can't beat them, join them", meaning EU 😂

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Ratko

No you are not. You came to the balkans during the 6th century. You are slavs. Slavs are not native to the balkans. And serbs are slavs. Slavs migrated to the balkans during the 6th century. Even your historians agree that serbs settled in the balkans during the 6th century. This is basic fact that everyone agrees on. You are NOT native. You came and settled here during the 6th century. serbian history starts at 500 A.D. because that is the time when you migrated to europe. This not based on racism or insults, this is something everyone else agrees on. Even serb historians agree on this. serbs did not exist as a people before 500 A.D. Everyone knows this

WeWuzAncientIllyrians

pre 5 godina

The albos in this comment section (and in general) are absolutely delusional, they're so "native to the Balkans" that before the 13th century no one even noticed their extremely inbred gibberish language (of course reporting a crime) "The first written mention of the Albanian language was on 14 July 1284 in Dubrovnik in modern Croatia when a crime witness named Matthew testified: "I heard a voice shouting on the mountainside in the Albanian language" (Latin: Audivi unam vocem, clamantem in monte in lingua albanesca).[22][23]". There are no such things as" true natives"to the Balkans because if you go back far enough you'll see that every one immigrated at some point, Greeks from Ethiopia, Romanians from further east (same as Slavs), albos from hell once Satan was sick of them, etc, your inbred abomination of a nation wouldn't even exist without the West creating it, same as Kosovo, the west created "albania" and when they wish it so they will unmake it, you are a mongrel race and if you ever doubt it just look in the mirror if you can afford one, no further evidence is needed...

Who

pre 5 godina

Abanians on the other hand originate from mountains around black sea from that region (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the real invaders.
(Ratko, 4 May 2018 15:25)


You might be right, but long long loooong before anybody else . Or to maker clear so even you will understand that we are Autochthonous here

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Even serb historians agree on this. serbs did not exist as a people before 500 A.D. Everyone knows this
(Cushing, 4 May 2018 16:52) # Comment link

Cushy, maybe you can enlighten us. So, your theory is that the Serbs just randomly travelled through a black hole, through time and space, from a parallel universe and somehow arrived 500AD to this wonderful paradise we call the Balkans - interesting... however, I think the Albanians travelled this same path, but didn't arrive in the Balkans well after 1389 .... this makes more sense!!! The irony here is that you're not even a good TROLL... Shame on you and all your ancestors from that parallel universe (aka Anatolia).

Trizo

pre 5 godina

You should have treated Albanians in Kosovo as equals and not second class citizens in their own lands during Yugoslavia, now your actions have come back and bitten you on your backside.
(Drink And Be Happy, 5 May 2018 00:5

Are you high?
Do you have any understanding of what happened during Yugoslavia? This is when they got the MOST rights... treated better than everyone else.

Starting to plan greater Albania and exploit the hospitality. Bit by bit, Serbs diminished.

Why would the population of Serbs continue decreasing but the Albanian increase with such “bad treatment” etc.

You can make up lies like the west as much as you want, but the reality is that Serbs were driven out of Kosovo.

Kosovo is a sacred place for Serbs, sacred monasteries etc.. serbs don’t just pack up and leave after such a long history there. It was in fact the powerhouse of Serbia for a long time.

Our numbers just decreased due to giving too many rights to Albanians. Then the autonomy spiraled out of control, the KLA pushed independence long before 99. No country will stand still while a Rebel group starts planning succession and starts killing Serbian citizens.

hank the Tank

pre 5 godina

If albanians were in the Balkans before the begining of time how come you havent evolved more? You should be a prosporus regional leder. Your neither! Not even close.

Drink And Be Happy

pre 5 godina

Allot of back and forth here about each others origins. Serbs and other Southern Slavs are a mix of the native Balkan people and Slavic settlers between the 5-7th Centuries AD. Albanians are one of the three native ethnic groups in the Balkans alongside Greeks and present day Romanians ie. Vlachs. Everyone has a right to be here as all people can trace all or part of their heritage to the region. Pointless fighting amongst kin and the fact that you are pawns in America’s and Russia’s proxy wars is even more hilarious. Kosovo has made it very clear they don’t want to be part of Serbia or Albania, they want independence and they aren’t going change their ambitions because Serbs don’t like it. You should have treated Albanians in Kosovo as equals and not second class citizens in their own lands during Yugoslavia, now your actions have come back and bitten you on your backside.

trizo

pre 5 godina

Cushing,

I never said Serbs were in Serbia before 500 AD so what the hell are you talking about?

I said that Albanians were most definitely after the slavs... and there's no evidence of them in Kosovo before 1200 (if that).

Before you reply, try to understand the content of the discussion first so you can make your next post relevant.

Peggy

pre 5 godina

@DedaCvetko
Easy to explain. Serbs destroyed them and/or presented them as their own.
(Avni, 5 May 2018 14:14)
====================
Riiight. so as soon as you got a chance you took a dump in them and broke the crosses and vandalized them.
If they were your originally, why did you do that?

Niko

pre 5 godina

The article is misleading at best..
It's not until the last paragraph that you discover that symbols were removed to please the 5 EU members that haven't recognized Kosovo, not to respect Serbia.
In fact this makes Serbia look like Slovakias or Romanias secretary..."dont forgot sir your appointment at six and that no Kosovo symbols are to be displayed as we don't recognize it."

icj1

pre 5 godina

There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand.
(Trizo, 4 May 2018 16:31)

And there is literally no data or evidence that suggest Serbs inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 5-600 (if that). There’s no mention of Serbs beforehand. So, what's your point?!
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You’re turks mixed with whatever descendants of ancient apes you want to call yourselves.
(Trizo, 4 May 2018 16:31)

So that means that Serbs are similar to the Albanians, since Serbs descended from ancient apes, too. You see, Serbs and Albanians have so many things in common, which is great.

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Trizo


Posting "source" from a Russian propaganda site does not change anything. You are still immigrants from Central asia. Can you provide any source about serbs in Europe before 500 A.D.? Dont think so. Because you arrived in the balkans during the 6th century. Your "history" starts at 500 A.D. as a slavic tribe that settled in Moesia. You are slavs. And you came from central asia. End of that discussion

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Chitown


Can you please provide any sources( non-serbian) that confirms your delusional bs propaganda? I thought so. I have sources based on FACTS that confirms that serbs did not migrate to the balkans until 500 A.D. while you can only throw nationalist trantrums. If Albanians are "Turks" then why are we not speaking a Turkic language but an indo-european language? Why are we not related and dont share the same genetic links with Turks? Why are there no scientific sources that confirms your pathetic lies? Can you provide me any academic sources about migrations from Anatolia? Thought so. You are neither educated or smart. All you can do is throwing insults and call me "troll" because you dont like the truth. Not my problem
(Cushing, 5 May 2018 19:25)

Cushy, I must of struck a chord with the Anatolia comment. I never see you Albos get so wound up until you mention your ancestral home - be proud of your Turkish heritage, after all, they did rule in the Balkans for a long time. Okay, for argument sake, let's say you aren't (wink, wink) from Anatolia. Let's just agree that you are Turkish leftovers from the Ottoman Empire - seems fair and accurate to me. No one in Europe looks more like the Turks than the Albanians - I wonder why this is?!?!

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Chitown


Can you please provide any sources( non-serbian) that confirms your delusional bs propaganda? I thought so. I have sources based on FACTS that confirms that serbs did not migrate to the balkans until 500 A.D. while you can only throw nationalist trantrums. If Albanians are "Turks" then why are we not speaking a Turkic language but an indo-european language? Why are we not related and dont share the same genetic links with Turks? Why are there no scientific sources that confirms your pathetic lies? Can you provide me any academic sources about migrations from Anatolia? Thought so. You are neither educated or smart. All you can do is throwing insults and call me "troll" because you dont like the truth. Not my problem

Watcher

pre 5 godina

You know what they say: "If you can't beat them, join them", meaning EU 😂
(Avni, 4 May 2018 17:23)

@ avniaj - lol, we're trying, lol!

Trizo

pre 5 godina

Albos who speak Serbian ... https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/zivot/201805041115484382-malagurski-albanci-iliri/?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=hzg7&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Trizo "There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand. "

Your ignorance is epic. Albanopolis was founded in the 7th - 6th century BC and mentioned by Ptolemy in 150AD. So, yes, there is evidence and there is data.

Avni

pre 5 godina

What's happening Serbs 😁

Ponovo panoi sa kosovskim simbolima u Briselu http://www.rtv.rs/sr_lat/politika/ponovo-panoi-sa-kosovskim-simbolima-u-briselu_915558.html

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

I can not believe how much people on this website say they are a product of 1000s of years incest. :D This includes guys from all sides. There is are genetically neither serbs, albanians, croatians, bosnians, greeks, romanians, bulgarians,... in the balkans. It is all a mix, just different languages, borders and religions are today defining the so called ethnical groups.
Regards a balkanian

Bullfrog

pre 5 godina

ChiTown,
Trolling has finally caught up with you. Serbs and Turks have the most similar DNA than any other Balkan group. It is no wonder since many Serbs were high up in the Turkish Army, some achieving the title of Pasha.

Honcho

pre 5 godina

If albanians were in the Balkans before the begining of time how come you havent evolved more? You should be a prosporus regional leder. Your neither! Not even close.
(hank the Tank, 6 May 2018 09:03)

Good question. There is no good answer to it - except that Illyrians are essentially the Dalmatinci today. Even Glagolitsa, the early Croatian writing was called "Illyrian writing" in medieval times.

I have no doubt that Albanians in some form lived there for at least 3000 years, maybe more. Their problem is that they have pretty much zero to do with Illyrians.

For instance, why Illyrians were feared pirates - but Albanians did not do much in Venetian or Ottoman navy. Did they "forgot" how to do seal the sea?

On the other side of course Croatians from the coast were all over Venetian, Genovese, Spanish, Ottoman navy. So they did not forgot about the seas.

And why Glagolitic ("Illyrian") writing can be seen today all over HR on the road signs - but not a single trace of it in Albania?

Honcho

pre 5 godina

The documents written in Albanian did not appear before 1400-s, but I recall there is one document from 1200-s.

That makes even Sinti / Roma accounts on Balkan older, than Albanian.

However, Albanians are much longer there. Just without written language, without any building erected earlier than 1200-s and without known leaders.

The answer is probably the life style. Living up in the mountains and taking care of living stock is a different set of challenges.

That explains Ghegs. But I honestly do not understand about Tosks. They live in coastal areas, have different life style - but still are far from what Illyrians used to be.

And there is no sign of any meaningful resistance to Slavonic invasions.

That just happened: on the ruins of Roman Empire the Slavs appeared in big mass, without much resistance they settled as south as Thessaloniki.

The Church-Slavonic is in the fact what used to be the local Slavonic dialect of Thessaloniki. And it was chosen as the "Latin" for Slavs. If that's the case, there should be a big mass of Slavs at that time everywhere in the area.

So where was that Pelasgian Empire of proto-Albanians? They just peacefully disappeared without trace, without buildings, without roads, without coins...

Aleks

pre 5 godina

Do original Americans have a say in America ?!! Did they evolve?! Did they even want to evolve ?!

Thats Albanians in the Balkans !
In fact ! Its not Albanians ! Its Shqipetar- illyrians !
Albanians are only the people in the Albans province ! Shqipetare - illyrians are all balkans ! Give them rights and see how many albanians wake up !

Dont forget that any albanian hero in Greece , Serbia , Montenegro , Italy ... in fact has been given any identity the history has chosen !

Dont forget that Albanians - illyrians- helens are one of the most genocided population on the planet !
As far as we know ... persia genocided them , ottmans , slavic ....

The biggest mistake is .... what is Albania ?! Albania is just a broken piece of the real Shqipetarian , illyrian, pelasgian people !
They are treated as second citizens in their own lands !
When you loose , you loose ! Illyrians have lost their plot and god help them ....

For more ...
Search ...
Genocide of Greeks ( now greeks are not greeks )on Çam population , Albanians on many occasions different years.


Genocie of Ottmans on Albanians 500 years ,

Genocide of slavic Montenegro on Albanians .
Genocide of Serbs on Albanians on many occasions .

Now ... what its believed the Helens as they say ... and illyrians ... last survivers are in the Albanian lands ... around the mountains ...

I am one of them !
My Heritage DNA came
95 percent Illyrian- Helenic and 5 percent English !!

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Why cant serbs crawl back to Russia where they came from? Your not native in the balkans or europe. You dont belong here. You are immigrants.Foreigners. You came and settled in the balkans during the 6th century and this is a FACT. Read any sources you find and they will tell you the same. "serbia" is not even your home to begin with. It was called Moesia and it was inhabited by Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians and Romans, before serbs came and pushed them out. No such thing as "serbian territory". You are invaders. End of that

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Ratko

No you are not. You came to the balkans during the 6th century. You are slavs. Slavs are not native to the balkans. And serbs are slavs. Slavs migrated to the balkans during the 6th century. Even your historians agree that serbs settled in the balkans during the 6th century. This is basic fact that everyone agrees on. You are NOT native. You came and settled here during the 6th century. serbian history starts at 500 A.D. because that is the time when you migrated to europe. This not based on racism or insults, this is something everyone else agrees on. Even serb historians agree on this. serbs did not exist as a people before 500 A.D. Everyone knows this

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Trizio

"Turks"

We dont speak a Turkic languange and neither do we share any genetic link with Turks. Both our genetics as well as languange and culture is the evidence that we are a paleo-balkanic people. You however are not native to the balkans. You are foreigners that colonized the balkans during the 6th century. You don't belong here. It's not your home. Never been and never will be your "home". You are slavic immigrants. Truth hurts, i know but in time you will accept that you are all immigrants and that you don't belong in the balkans.

The truth

pre 5 godina

Lol stop playing jokes I have seen many documents and other Kosovo symbols in Serbia all Officials Document are accepted in Serbia that have Symbols and Republic of Kosovo on them and you trying to make something out of kosovo with EU. Serbian Diplomacy and Government lately are proving that are Slobodan Milloshevich Followers not just with Kosovo but with Bosnia ,Croatia to but as sllobo did lose you will lose to.Poor serbia it’s start crying Kosovo Kosovo,Bosnia Bosnia ,Croatia Croatia just go and change the way you treat Vojvodina and Sanxhak as if you don’t you will lose those to and them you will have only Belgrade left.
Mam Russia is dying as Big boss Donald Trump is Hitting them nicely and Smart long live 🇦🇱🇺🇸🇽🇰🇪🇺🇬🇧 New Era with Trup nicely and smart

Avni

pre 5 godina

@Trizo
You must have watched too many Serbian propaganda movies. Even your PM these days is telling you to stop believing fairytales/myths. Let's hope when you join EU you'll become smarter. You know what they say: "If you can't beat them, join them", meaning EU 😂

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Serb's the west is totally laughing at you http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/war-with-croatia-provides-vucic-with-cheap-thrills-05-03-2018 and your cadre of buffoonery "politicians". The more things change in Serbia the more they revert back to the same old Serb buffoonish ways. Yes they took Kosovo symbols so did they every one else when the meeting was over. Serb's go from victory to victory only in their delusional minds. Where is that Guru Karadzic https://boingboing.net/2016/03/24/radovan-karadzic-will-die-in-j.html when Serbs need him the most to cure you from delusions.

Who

pre 5 godina

Abanians on the other hand originate from mountains around black sea from that region (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the real invaders.
(Ratko, 4 May 2018 15:25)


You might be right, but long long loooong before anybody else . Or to maker clear so even you will understand that we are Autochthonous here

Ratko

pre 5 godina

@ cushing = internet paid troll

You are writing and repeating disinformation anti serb genocidal propaganda every day on this site.

Serbs are indigenous to this region these are our lands. You know it and I know it. We never came from "somewhere" and invaded. This is the truth.

Abanians on the other hand originate from mountains around black sea from that region (most likely present day turkey). So albanians are the real invaders.

Trizo

pre 5 godina

You might be right, but long long loooong before anybody else . Or to maker clear so even you will understand that we are Autochthonous here
(Who, 4 May 2018 15:49)

There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand. You’re turks mixed with whatever descendants of ancient apes you want to call yourselves. There’s no link to ilyrians, that’s a fairytale you’re told at school and other folklore stories because you didn’t descend from one origin.

prco

pre 5 godina

The department of paper recycling will take care of it “Your protests note” (Albanian American, 04. maj 2018 15:52) And the waste department will take care of your symbols

icj1

pre 5 godina

There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand.
(Trizo, 4 May 2018 16:31)

And there is literally no data or evidence that suggest Serbs inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 5-600 (if that). There’s no mention of Serbs beforehand. So, what's your point?!
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You’re turks mixed with whatever descendants of ancient apes you want to call yourselves.
(Trizo, 4 May 2018 16:31)

So that means that Serbs are similar to the Albanians, since Serbs descended from ancient apes, too. You see, Serbs and Albanians have so many things in common, which is great.

Mik

pre 5 godina

Time for Albanians to accept their greater Albanian project is dead and buried or they'll end up losing Albania in the long run. Serbia and Greece will divide up the left overs. Kosovo is Serbia.

Drink And Be Happy

pre 5 godina

Allot of back and forth here about each others origins. Serbs and other Southern Slavs are a mix of the native Balkan people and Slavic settlers between the 5-7th Centuries AD. Albanians are one of the three native ethnic groups in the Balkans alongside Greeks and present day Romanians ie. Vlachs. Everyone has a right to be here as all people can trace all or part of their heritage to the region. Pointless fighting amongst kin and the fact that you are pawns in America’s and Russia’s proxy wars is even more hilarious. Kosovo has made it very clear they don’t want to be part of Serbia or Albania, they want independence and they aren’t going change their ambitions because Serbs don’t like it. You should have treated Albanians in Kosovo as equals and not second class citizens in their own lands during Yugoslavia, now your actions have come back and bitten you on your backside.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Trizo "There is literally no data or evidence that suggest Albanians inhabited the area (especially Kosovo) before 11-1200 (if that). There’s no mention of Albanians beforehand. "

Your ignorance is epic. Albanopolis was founded in the 7th - 6th century BC and mentioned by Ptolemy in 150AD. So, yes, there is evidence and there is data.

DEDA CVETKO

pre 5 godina

"We dont speak a Turkic languange and neither do we share any genetic link with Turks. Both our genetics as well as languange and culture is the evidence that we are a paleo-balkanic people. You however are not native to the balkans. You are foreigners that colonized the balkans during the 6th century. You don't belong here. It's not your home. Never been and never will be your "home". You are slavic immigrants. Truth hurts, i know but in time you will accept that you are all immigrants and that you don't belong in the balkans.
(Cushing, 4 May 2018 17:02)"

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If you are so "indigenous" to the Balkans, why aren't there any monuments, churches, cemeteries, shrines, medieval deeds or documentary evidence of you "indigenous" presence in the Balkans older than 1650 AD?

Watcher

pre 5 godina

You know what they say: "If you can't beat them, join them", meaning EU 😂
(Avni, 4 May 2018 17:23)

@ avniaj - lol, we're trying, lol!

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Chitown


Can you please provide any sources( non-serbian) that confirms your delusional bs propaganda? I thought so. I have sources based on FACTS that confirms that serbs did not migrate to the balkans until 500 A.D. while you can only throw nationalist trantrums. If Albanians are "Turks" then why are we not speaking a Turkic language but an indo-european language? Why are we not related and dont share the same genetic links with Turks? Why are there no scientific sources that confirms your pathetic lies? Can you provide me any academic sources about migrations from Anatolia? Thought so. You are neither educated or smart. All you can do is throwing insults and call me "troll" because you dont like the truth. Not my problem

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Even serb historians agree on this. serbs did not exist as a people before 500 A.D. Everyone knows this
(Cushing, 4 May 2018 16:52) # Comment link

Cushy, maybe you can enlighten us. So, your theory is that the Serbs just randomly travelled through a black hole, through time and space, from a parallel universe and somehow arrived 500AD to this wonderful paradise we call the Balkans - interesting... however, I think the Albanians travelled this same path, but didn't arrive in the Balkans well after 1389 .... this makes more sense!!! The irony here is that you're not even a good TROLL... Shame on you and all your ancestors from that parallel universe (aka Anatolia).

WeWuzAncientIllyrians

pre 5 godina

The albos in this comment section (and in general) are absolutely delusional, they're so "native to the Balkans" that before the 13th century no one even noticed their extremely inbred gibberish language (of course reporting a crime) "The first written mention of the Albanian language was on 14 July 1284 in Dubrovnik in modern Croatia when a crime witness named Matthew testified: "I heard a voice shouting on the mountainside in the Albanian language" (Latin: Audivi unam vocem, clamantem in monte in lingua albanesca).[22][23]". There are no such things as" true natives"to the Balkans because if you go back far enough you'll see that every one immigrated at some point, Greeks from Ethiopia, Romanians from further east (same as Slavs), albos from hell once Satan was sick of them, etc, your inbred abomination of a nation wouldn't even exist without the West creating it, same as Kosovo, the west created "albania" and when they wish it so they will unmake it, you are a mongrel race and if you ever doubt it just look in the mirror if you can afford one, no further evidence is needed...

Truth hurts.

pre 5 godina

"All symbols and markings representing Kosovo as a state have been removed" I guess that Serbian toilet paper worked after all :) Albanians lose again lol

Trizo

pre 5 godina

Albos who speak Serbian ... https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/zivot/201805041115484382-malagurski-albanci-iliri/?utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=hzg7&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Trizo

pre 5 godina

You should have treated Albanians in Kosovo as equals and not second class citizens in their own lands during Yugoslavia, now your actions have come back and bitten you on your backside.
(Drink And Be Happy, 5 May 2018 00:5

Are you high?
Do you have any understanding of what happened during Yugoslavia? This is when they got the MOST rights... treated better than everyone else.

Starting to plan greater Albania and exploit the hospitality. Bit by bit, Serbs diminished.

Why would the population of Serbs continue decreasing but the Albanian increase with such “bad treatment” etc.

You can make up lies like the west as much as you want, but the reality is that Serbs were driven out of Kosovo.

Kosovo is a sacred place for Serbs, sacred monasteries etc.. serbs don’t just pack up and leave after such a long history there. It was in fact the powerhouse of Serbia for a long time.

Our numbers just decreased due to giving too many rights to Albanians. Then the autonomy spiraled out of control, the KLA pushed independence long before 99. No country will stand still while a Rebel group starts planning succession and starts killing Serbian citizens.

Cushing

pre 5 godina

Trizo


Posting "source" from a Russian propaganda site does not change anything. You are still immigrants from Central asia. Can you provide any source about serbs in Europe before 500 A.D.? Dont think so. Because you arrived in the balkans during the 6th century. Your "history" starts at 500 A.D. as a slavic tribe that settled in Moesia. You are slavs. And you came from central asia. End of that discussion

hank the Tank

pre 5 godina

If albanians were in the Balkans before the begining of time how come you havent evolved more? You should be a prosporus regional leder. Your neither! Not even close.

Niko

pre 5 godina

The article is misleading at best..
It's not until the last paragraph that you discover that symbols were removed to please the 5 EU members that haven't recognized Kosovo, not to respect Serbia.
In fact this makes Serbia look like Slovakias or Romanias secretary..."dont forgot sir your appointment at six and that no Kosovo symbols are to be displayed as we don't recognize it."

Peggy

pre 5 godina

@DedaCvetko
Easy to explain. Serbs destroyed them and/or presented them as their own.
(Avni, 5 May 2018 14:14)
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Riiight. so as soon as you got a chance you took a dump in them and broke the crosses and vandalized them.
If they were your originally, why did you do that?

Avni

pre 5 godina

What's happening Serbs 😁

Ponovo panoi sa kosovskim simbolima u Briselu http://www.rtv.rs/sr_lat/politika/ponovo-panoi-sa-kosovskim-simbolima-u-briselu_915558.html

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

I can not believe how much people on this website say they are a product of 1000s of years incest. :D This includes guys from all sides. There is are genetically neither serbs, albanians, croatians, bosnians, greeks, romanians, bulgarians,... in the balkans. It is all a mix, just different languages, borders and religions are today defining the so called ethnical groups.
Regards a balkanian

trizo

pre 5 godina

Cushing,

I never said Serbs were in Serbia before 500 AD so what the hell are you talking about?

I said that Albanians were most definitely after the slavs... and there's no evidence of them in Kosovo before 1200 (if that).

Before you reply, try to understand the content of the discussion first so you can make your next post relevant.

ChiTown

pre 5 godina

Chitown


Can you please provide any sources( non-serbian) that confirms your delusional bs propaganda? I thought so. I have sources based on FACTS that confirms that serbs did not migrate to the balkans until 500 A.D. while you can only throw nationalist trantrums. If Albanians are "Turks" then why are we not speaking a Turkic language but an indo-european language? Why are we not related and dont share the same genetic links with Turks? Why are there no scientific sources that confirms your pathetic lies? Can you provide me any academic sources about migrations from Anatolia? Thought so. You are neither educated or smart. All you can do is throwing insults and call me "troll" because you dont like the truth. Not my problem
(Cushing, 5 May 2018 19:25)

Cushy, I must of struck a chord with the Anatolia comment. I never see you Albos get so wound up until you mention your ancestral home - be proud of your Turkish heritage, after all, they did rule in the Balkans for a long time. Okay, for argument sake, let's say you aren't (wink, wink) from Anatolia. Let's just agree that you are Turkish leftovers from the Ottoman Empire - seems fair and accurate to me. No one in Europe looks more like the Turks than the Albanians - I wonder why this is?!?!

Bullfrog

pre 5 godina

ChiTown,
Trolling has finally caught up with you. Serbs and Turks have the most similar DNA than any other Balkan group. It is no wonder since many Serbs were high up in the Turkish Army, some achieving the title of Pasha.

Honcho

pre 5 godina

If albanians were in the Balkans before the begining of time how come you havent evolved more? You should be a prosporus regional leder. Your neither! Not even close.
(hank the Tank, 6 May 2018 09:03)

Good question. There is no good answer to it - except that Illyrians are essentially the Dalmatinci today. Even Glagolitsa, the early Croatian writing was called "Illyrian writing" in medieval times.

I have no doubt that Albanians in some form lived there for at least 3000 years, maybe more. Their problem is that they have pretty much zero to do with Illyrians.

For instance, why Illyrians were feared pirates - but Albanians did not do much in Venetian or Ottoman navy. Did they "forgot" how to do seal the sea?

On the other side of course Croatians from the coast were all over Venetian, Genovese, Spanish, Ottoman navy. So they did not forgot about the seas.

And why Glagolitic ("Illyrian") writing can be seen today all over HR on the road signs - but not a single trace of it in Albania?

Honcho

pre 5 godina

The documents written in Albanian did not appear before 1400-s, but I recall there is one document from 1200-s.

That makes even Sinti / Roma accounts on Balkan older, than Albanian.

However, Albanians are much longer there. Just without written language, without any building erected earlier than 1200-s and without known leaders.

The answer is probably the life style. Living up in the mountains and taking care of living stock is a different set of challenges.

That explains Ghegs. But I honestly do not understand about Tosks. They live in coastal areas, have different life style - but still are far from what Illyrians used to be.

And there is no sign of any meaningful resistance to Slavonic invasions.

That just happened: on the ruins of Roman Empire the Slavs appeared in big mass, without much resistance they settled as south as Thessaloniki.

The Church-Slavonic is in the fact what used to be the local Slavonic dialect of Thessaloniki. And it was chosen as the "Latin" for Slavs. If that's the case, there should be a big mass of Slavs at that time everywhere in the area.

So where was that Pelasgian Empire of proto-Albanians? They just peacefully disappeared without trace, without buildings, without roads, without coins...

Aleks

pre 5 godina

Do original Americans have a say in America ?!! Did they evolve?! Did they even want to evolve ?!

Thats Albanians in the Balkans !
In fact ! Its not Albanians ! Its Shqipetar- illyrians !
Albanians are only the people in the Albans province ! Shqipetare - illyrians are all balkans ! Give them rights and see how many albanians wake up !

Dont forget that any albanian hero in Greece , Serbia , Montenegro , Italy ... in fact has been given any identity the history has chosen !

Dont forget that Albanians - illyrians- helens are one of the most genocided population on the planet !
As far as we know ... persia genocided them , ottmans , slavic ....

The biggest mistake is .... what is Albania ?! Albania is just a broken piece of the real Shqipetarian , illyrian, pelasgian people !
They are treated as second citizens in their own lands !
When you loose , you loose ! Illyrians have lost their plot and god help them ....

For more ...
Search ...
Genocide of Greeks ( now greeks are not greeks )on Çam population , Albanians on many occasions different years.


Genocie of Ottmans on Albanians 500 years ,

Genocide of slavic Montenegro on Albanians .
Genocide of Serbs on Albanians on many occasions .

Now ... what its believed the Helens as they say ... and illyrians ... last survivers are in the Albanian lands ... around the mountains ...

I am one of them !
My Heritage DNA came
95 percent Illyrian- Helenic and 5 percent English !!