"How EU betrayed Ahtisaari and Kosovo"

Once again the question that is raised is "Was the unilaterally declaration of independence of Kosovo* legal??????????
To the corrupt bullies of Nato and E.U the answer is no.
If you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL. So much that it set a precedent which other nations feared. Then the propaganda by way of Google maps and U.S fake media started by promoting even holiday destinations to Pristina.Hahahaha.
U.S citizens are safer in South Central L.A than go on a holiday to a Ghetto like Pristina.
Double standards have started to appear.The E.U and U.S can't admitt a big error was made by supporting these terrorists and mafia run thugs. Now it's all about not embarrassing themselves but paying poor nations to recognize such illegal acts. Even the E.U courts and CAS(Sport Administration) have been pressured by the corrupt West politicians.
YOU MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION
Kosovo* is SERBIA

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.

How the E.U betrayed Serbia!!!!!
How NATO poised Serbia and Kosovo* by way of DEPLETED URANIUM!!!!!
How U.S companies are mining Trepica!!!!!

NO PLACE IN EU FOR BALKAN SAVAGES
(EU, 13 February 2018 10:28)

Well, you have the Croats and I can't think of any other ex-Yu nation that better fits your description.

Speaking of savages, what about Germany? Have you forgotten or are you trying to re-writing history? The history of other EU nations is not much less savage. The British, French, Belgians, Austrians, and Spanish have been quite savage to their poor colonies.

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence or deemed it legal; it merely stated that the proclamation did not violate international law. It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence. That ruling opened Pandora's box. The ruling is used by for instance Catalunya as a precedent for their own proclamation. But just like Kosovo's, their proclamation violated not only the constitution of Spain but also international law on territorial integrity. And the Helsinki accord. In the case of Yugoslavia, Kosovo independence also violated international law on federation. As did the whole breakup of Yugoslavia, actually. In the ruling on Sjesil, the court stated that the state of war in Yugoslavia was legal due to illegal secession.

Kosovo* is SERBIA but you dont have it and lost it
(Sam, 13 February 2018 15:20)

@ Sammy - You're right, Kosovo is Srpsko! We didn't lose it, it was stolen and you're right...we don't have it...yet!! But the clock is ticking...and I'm pretty sure Thaci & Hardinaj can hear it....

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:45)

Wrong way at it again. Do you ever get anything right LOL????

The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. An advisory opinion is an opinion issued by a court that merely advises on the legality or interpretation of law much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law.

The International Court said that there are no provisions under international law that prohibits the physical act of declaring independence. Therefore, the so-called physical declaration is not even recognized by the International Court or International law LOL. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.

However, the issue of Kosovo separating from Serbia is a legal matter that is covered by international law. If Kosovo wants real independence it must seek a ruling, not an opinion on separation from Serbia, from the International Court to the effect that Kosovo is an independent state.

You are very confused dear and you appear to not have any idea what exactly you are talking about!
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:37)

Says the one who is deliberately clueless about everything and anything they choose to invite themselves into the conversation about. Sorry sweetie, but Joe A is absolutely right about Kosovo. It's not his fault you're unable to understand what's been out there for more than 10 years.

From icj1 the Serb Hater: "Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law."

Wrong again sweetie. The Helsinki Accords, which state that countries that were signors to said accords, which Yugoslavia was, and later Serbia, cannot be altered by force. Yugoslavia's and later Serbia's borders were altered by force. Only a Serb Hater like icj1 would deny this. Not to mention the Yugoslav constitution was also violated. But when you have the U.S., Germany and England advocating the dismemberment of Yugoslavia and later Serbia, there was little chance that international law would be upheld. Unfortunate but true. Only a Serb Hating internet troll like icj1 who has lost all ability to think critically and independently, agrees with everything and anything that runs contrary to Serbian interests.

you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL.
(Smart Serb, 13 February 2018 11:35)

Dear, have you been in hibernation or living in another planet for the last 8 years or so?! lol

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:45)

@ icj prosta - sweetie, just when I thought you were doing better, you go back to being ignorant & more dumber than a stick! Have you been taking your medication? Just wondering, because when everybody's starting to see the writing on the wall, you revert back to saying stupid things again...

Kosovo was stolen from Serbia, we all know (including Albanians).
Some say there is nothing that Serbia can do except recognise an independent Kosovo.
There is an other way and maybe the only way that this issue gets resolved. Serbia should grant full autonomy to Kosovo, self rule, their own constitution even but with the provision that it remains a territory of Serbia.
The details of how exactly this arrangement should function can be discussed and so it should be, 'cause the path we're on now is never going to appease both sides.

As for NATO, we all saw Serbia disciplined by them in the most appropriate manner back in 1999 when even Russia turned its back on the barbaric cetniks. All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Hi Vicki (aka Jana Dovic) Russia is not the Russia of 20 years ago. Putin is not a sell out like Gorbachev, nor a drunk fool like Yeltsin.

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

And the international court ruling did not recognize Serbia's independence, either! So, what's your point?
----------
WHAT IS YOUR POINT ?
Mkqhz9SERBIA NEVER DECLARED INDEPENDENCE

it merely stated that the proclamation did not violate international law
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)
OK
Yes, which means that the proclamation was legal (under international law).
---------- OK

It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)
TRUE
Only if it does not violate international law. If/when somebody and their kitchen sink proclaim independence, let us know lol.
???????

(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:35) # Comment link

icq. As usual you make no sense.

(Joni, 14 February 2018 10:50)

What utter drivel much like the story of Albanians being indigenous to the region and being the Illyrians, but not a cave painting, bridge, building not even a tooth pick can be claimed as something the Albanians built.
Albanians are the only people to lay claim to being Illyrians, but they changed their from Illyrian to Albanian.

All those maps belong to the Ottoman Empire. Albos converted to Islam and they rode in with the Turks. There is no record of Albos in the Balkans before the Turks arrived. Albanians use old Turkish maps to lay claim to something they never had in the first place.

Two faces EU. That’s why we made such a painful process and accepted Ahtisaari plan. First they say they will then they will NOT.
Now - we must revoke Ahtisaari plan completely.

Let’s start the war if you up to?

Remember we are much stronger then in 1999?

@ T

Albanian territories - Albanian people lives - were stolen not Serbian lives or territories. And this is a proven fact, and all Serbs know that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1912%E2%80%9313

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2018 09:49)


You are correct and that God forsaken place is Serbia. It seems that the EU is playing Serbia for a fool
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

—-

You appear to be deluding yourself. According to this B92 article and the daily Koha Ditore, the “EU betrayed Ahtisaari and Kosovo".

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2018 09:49)

You are correct and that God forsaken place is Serbia. It seems that the EU is playing Serbia for a fool, with no intention of allowing Serbia to become a member.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

According to this article, the EU is certainly playing someone for a fool and it’s not Serbia. Moreover, the reality is the EU is openly discriminating against the “fools” of KiM who do not have Serbian travel documents.


Why would any organization wish to be associated with a genocidal entity that lacks civilized values.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Yes, countless Serbs, Roma, and other ethnicities have been killed or forced to leave KiM. That is why the EU wishes no association with the fenced-in apartheid bigots, or your “fools”.

All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Perhaps in your deluded mind, as the EU’s discrimination against the apartheid bigoted “fools” in KiM and the EU’s recent insistence on the so called “KLA court” for your “fools” contradict your delusion.

(T, 14 February 2018 09:44)

This is how it will be. It will take time but it has been worked upon for a while in silence between big players. I.e US, UN, Russia etc.
Now someone will say never never bla bla. Its not me who has proposed this. Read again who is involved.

Ahtisaari was a soldier in the war and he diid not fight on our side. Yet treason wasn't a EU way. Americans practice it all over the world to change their concomes ...

[link]
(rote, 13 February 2018 21:09)

You forget about your friend Chernomyrdin was a special representative of Russia in Yugoslavia. It was he who persuaded Slobodan Milošević to agree to an armistice and to place Kosovo under UN control. Sure Russia was in no shape financially or militarily but all Milosevic needed was resources. Putin won't make the same mistake.

Kosovo* is SERBIA but you dont have it and lost it

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

And the international court ruling did not recognize Serbia's independence, either! So, what's your point?
----------

it merely stated that the proclamation did not violate international law
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Yes, which means that the proclamation was legal (under international law).
----------

It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Only if it does not violate international law. If/when somebody and their kitchen sink proclaim independence, let us know lol.

The ruling is used by for instance Catalunya as a precedent for their own proclamation. But just like Kosovo's, their proclamation violated not only the constitution of Spain but also international law.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Catalunya can't violate international law, dear, because Calalunya is not a subject of international law. International law regulates relations of states with each other, and Catalynua is not a state. What regions/provinces of a state can or can't do is a matter of domestic law, not international law. As far as international law is concerned, anything that is done within Spain, is attributed to Spain.
----------

In the case of Yugoslavia, Kosovo independence also violated international law on federation.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

There is not any international law on federation that Kosovo's declaration of independence violated. You just made that up and it contradicts what you just wrote yourself that the proclamation did not violate international law.

You are very confused dear and you appear to not have any idea what exactly you are talking about!

@ sj
I told you once and I tell you again : What ancient history have Slavic people? Zero, right???
You still don't know where you came from. And you are millions, no?
The history is not written by Albanians, we use Turkish, British, German, Russian... which are identical with our maps sj? Fact!
You use imaginary maps, trying to convince yourself, not others.
You look just an spiteful Serb that claim a glorious history but still the most known Hero in the war against Turks is an Albanian.
You have no hero's sj, just war criminals and oportunist on all you history.
If attacking your neighbors is history to you, sorry but which is a Serbian hero known in Europe for protecting Europe by Turks?

Besides Skanderbeg and Hunyadi, there is not a single one that is honoured even after 600 years.

So, sorry! We still have more than you have.

(Joni, 15 February 2018 09:14)
Where are the archaeological finds that prove Albanian are the indigenous peoples of the Balkans? The only people who honour Skanderbeg and Hunyadi are Albanians, no one else has heard of them.

“Hero in the war against Turks is an Albanian” – you are 97% Muslims so for a people that battled the Turks why did you convert so quickly?????

I agree you do have more than the Serbs. Yep plenty of crap more likely. Please stop embarrassing yourself with this fake history.

(icj1, 15 February 2018 02:57

Wrong way wrong again. Do you ever get anything right LOL????

The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. An advisory opinion is an opinion issued by a court that merely advises on the legality or interpretation of law much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law.

The International Court said that there are no provisions under international law that prohibits the physical act of declaring independence. Therefore, the so-called physical declaration is not even recognized by the International Court or International law LOL. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.

However, the issue of Kosovo separating from Serbia is a legal matter that is covered by international law. If Kosovo wants real independence it must seek a ruling, not an opinion on separation from Serbia, from the International Court to the effect that Kosovo is an independent state.

England and Great Britain are used interchangeably in political discussions much like Holland and the Netherlands or America and the US and the list goes on. Once again icj1 is unable to support her Serb Hating arguments so she resorts to obfuscation and deflection from the subject at hand.
(njegos, 16 February 2018 15:01)

——

icj1 has admitted to being ignorant about a common term associated with GDP. icj1 is also a self-diagnosed nihilist. Moreover, as a self-proclaimed proud Ustasha apologist and disciple of warped Mengele medical diagnostic, icj1 inherently can not be expected to match or exceed the morality or comprehension of a 3 year old.

EU did not betray anyone... EU needs to stay out of these Balkan little countries who to this day behave like savages.

They have no place in EU none of them.

Croatia needs to be reconsidered considering they produce a lot of hate towards neighbors too.
Albania and Serbia should never even get the opportunity, and the rest can keep dreaming.

Slovenia has been the most successful one.

NO PLACE IN EU FOR BALKAN SAVAGES

If you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL.
(Smart Serb, 13 February 2018 11:35)

Dear, have you been in hibernation or living in another planet for the last 8 years or so?! lol

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.

Ahtisaari was a soldier in the war and he diid not fight on our side. Yet treason wasn't a EU way. Americans practice it all over the world to change their concomes ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMMBe0iLcIg

From icj1 the Serb Hater: Few people, if any, are aware of any country signor to Helsinki Accords that altered FRY's and Serbia's borders by force. So, it's not clear what you are talking about, dear lol "

Once again, the queen of obfuscation, deflection and double speak is talking in circles so as to avoid the subject. Hey icj1 - were Yugoslavia's borders altered by force? Were Serbia's? Did the US, Germany and England recognize the newly created states from the former Yugoslavia and later Serbia? Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords? Do the Helsinki Accords state that the borders of the countries who signed the accords could not be altered by force? Please answer each question icj1.

I apologize to the B92 readership for simplifying the above post, but this is the only way our dear friend icj1 the Serb Hater can understand the subject matter. It's a good thing I'm patient icj1. Very few others would be willing to work with such an intellectually challenged individual such as yourself. Fortunately for you I'm in a benevolent mood today.

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No

Wrong again icj!!! Every European country, except Albania, signed the Helsinki Accord in 1975. Actually, the follow up meeting took place in Belgrade, Yugoslavia 1978. Just wanted to clear up your little mistake so people aren't misinformed.

Further proof the icj1 the Serb Hater is a liar: The guiding principles of the Act (Helsinki Accords)

The Act's "Declaration on Principles Guiding Relations between Participating States" (also known as "The Decalogue")
•Enumerated the following 10 points:
•I. Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty
•II. Refraining from the threat or use of force
•III. Inviolability of frontiers
•IV. Territorial integrity of States
•V. Peaceful settlement of disputes
•VI. Non-intervention in internal affairs
•VII. Respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief
•VIII. Equal rights and self-determination of peoples
•IX. Co-operation among States
•X. Fulfillment in good faith of obligations under international law

Proving you a liar is getting easier and easier icj1. I didn't even break a sweat. Your hatred of anything and everything Serb has clouded your ability to think rationally. It's quite amusing watching you tell lie after lie to support your deep seeded hatred. Such a sad life you lead Ina dear.

HAHAHA!! Is that the best you can come up with icj1?? Playing word games again? Every logical and educated person on this forum knows that England and Great Britain are used interchangeably in political discussions much like Holland and the Netherlands or America and the US and the list goes on. Once again icj1 is unable to support her Serb Hating arguments so she resorts to obfuscation and deflection from the subject at hand. And since icj1 didn't refute the guiding principles of the Helsinki Accords, she must agree that international law was broken as the Helsinki Accords were violated due to the forcible and violent breakup of Yugoslavia. Thank you for finally seeing the light on this subject. Your twisted mind couldn't conjure up a convoluted retort to this violation of international law. You're slipping dear Ina.

Exposing you as the fraud that you are was, once again, very fun!! You must be a glutton for punishment. How many times have you been proven to be a liar on this forum? I've lost count. LOL

Buried under an avalanche of lies and obfuscation, icj1 the Serb Hater continues to play her little word games. After being called out as a liar by several posters on this site and being proven wrong with researchable and verifiable facts, the best icj1 can do is to play word games to defend her weak Serb-Hating arguments. Ina dear, you epitomize the French saying that Croats are brave people not because they are fearless, but because they have no shame.

Well, nobody has proven me wrong
(icj1, 17 February 2018 20:59)

——

As a self proclaimed nihilist, you labeled icj1 as a “nobody”.

We agree, icj1 who is a “nobody”, consistently proves icj1 to be wrong.

From icj1 the Serb Hater: "Well, nobody has proven me wrong with researchable and verifiable facts"

Wrong!! You've been proven wrong over and over again. And your defense is to attempt to divert the subject away from its original meaning. A great example is your latest attempt to convince us that international law was not violated in the breakup of Yugoslavia and later Serbia. When I cited that the Helsinki Accords was broken and even spelled it out to your simple mind what it contains from a verifiable source, in your true cowardly fashion you diverted the subject to the usage of Great Britain vs England. Clearly, you couldn't, and still can't, defend the fact that international was broken which was the original point. Even Madeline Albright, who is no friend to the Serbs, admitted that international law was broken. At least she has some credibility, however little it may be, while you have none and obviously never will. Poor little misguided hate-filled Ina still playing word games. Very predictable and very laughable.

a certain nobody called "RighteousBilly" writes so
(icj1, 7 April 2017 12:22)

Well, nobody has proven me wrong
(icj1, 17 February 2018 20:59)


—-

In addition to icj1 proving themselves wrong, “RighteousBilly” who is also a nobody, has proven icj1 wrong.

More double speak, deflection and obfuscation from the Serb-Hater icj1, aka Ina from Australia. Well-versed in changing the subject and veering off on a tangent totally unrelated to the original subject, icj1 hides behind her computer conjuring up her anti-Serb vitriol for all to view.

icj1 is the only poster who, after being proven a liar with researhable and verifiable facts, continues to deny, lie and obfuscate. This comes from years and tears of trying to cleanse the image of her Ustasha relatives. This practice is very common as we have seen from other Ustasha apologists like Dwight. What is uncommon, however, is that icj1 still keeps coming back after she's been proven wrong by several posters. Dwight, on the other hand, has run away after being shamed by irrefutable facts that proved him wrong while icj1 continues to deny the facts. icj1 lies so much that she truly believes she is right and the rest of the world is wrong. icj1 has no shame. That's OK Ina, you keep lying and we'll keep proving you wrong.

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2018 09:49)


You are correct and that God forsaken place is Serbia. It seems that the EU is playing Serbia for a fool, with no intention of allowing Serbia to become a member. Why would any organization wish to be associated with a genocidal entity that lacks civilized values.

As for NATO, we all saw Serbia disciplined by them in the most appropriate manner back in 1999 when even Russia turned its back on the barbaric cetniks. All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.

The Helsinki Accords, which state that countries that were signors to said accords, which Yugoslavia was, and later Serbia, cannot be altered by force. Yugoslavia's and later Serbia's borders were altered by force.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Few people, if any, are aware of any country signor to Helsinki Accords that altered FRY's and Serbia's borders by force. So, it's not clear what you are talking about, dear lol
(icj1, 15 February 2018 02:49)

Hey icj1 - were Yugoslavia's borders altered by force? Were Serbia's?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

I could not find any country signor of the Helsinki Accords which altered Serbia's borders by force. If you are aware of such thing happening, feel free to provide the name of the country which did alter Serbia's borders by force and the date when that happened.

To icj1 the Serb Hater: From New World Encyclopedia Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords

United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).

Proof that you are a liar!!

United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).
Proof that you are a liar!!
(rodkos42, 15 February 2018 17:11)

That actually proves that I was correct, dear lol In your enthusiastic rush to comment, you failed to notice that the list that you quoted does not include England among the signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. Next time read more carefully to avoid writing BS :)
(icj1, 16 February 2018 01:46)

icj. I usually give your ignorance the benefit of doubt, but you have finally snapped altogether, and even exceeded the most ignorant comments that you've made thus far. Please reread your comment, find the mistake, correct your error, and come back and explain/repost your findings. You really need to do this so you don't lost the little credibility you have. Just trying to help, that's all.....

Watcher

you do get both the Serbs and Albanians will eventually get tired of fighting one day
Serbia will accept Kosovo Independence one day and Kosovo will accept Serbia's influence over Kosovo

you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL.
(Smart Serb, 13 February 2018 11:35)

Dear, have you been in hibernation or living in another planet for the last 8 years or so?! lol

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:45)

sweetie, just when I thought you were doing better, you go back to being ignorant & more dumber than a stick!
(Watcher, 13 February 2018 17:40)

I just referenced Vuk's herculean efforts which clarified that Kosovo's Declaration of Independence did not violate international law. If you believe that Vuk is ignorant & more dumber (sic) than a stick, feel free to sort it out with Vuk lol

It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Only if it does not violate international law. If/when somebody and their kitchen sink proclaim independence, let us know lol.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:35)

???????
(Sam D, 13 February 2018 20:46)

You are asking me about when somebody and their kitchen sink will proclaim independence?! I'm not aware of that ever happening and I'm pretty confident that it won't ever happen. But our dear friend "Joe A" appears to think otherwise, so feel free to direct that question to him/her :)

Did the US, Germany and England recognize the newly created states from the former Yugoslavia and later Serbia?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
----------

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
----------

Do the Helsinki Accords state that the borders of the countries who signed the accords could not be altered by force?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No

Any more questions you have, dear?

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
(icj1, 15 February 2018 16:03)

Wrong again
(ChiTown, 15 February 2018 16:54)

Really?! When did England sign the Helsinki Accords?! I mean in reality, not in your dreams :)

Proving you a liar is getting easier and easier icj1.
(njegos, 15 February 2018 17:17)

Well, since according to you that it is easy, you should be able to easily come up with, at least, one thing that I've written which is a lie, because so far you've not come up with anything other than your Serb-hating comments!
----------

It's quite amusing watching you tell lie after lie to support your deep seeded hatred. Such a sad life you lead Ina dear.
(njegos, 15 February 2018 17:17)

You must have dreamed about the lies of this Ina in your dreams, dear. In the real world, no Ina wrote anything (whether lies or not) on this page. Feel free though to continue amusing yourself with your dreams lol

From New World Encyclopedia Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords
United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).
Proof that you are a liar!!
(rodkos42, 15 February 2018 17:11)

That actually proves that I was correct, dear lol In your enthusiastic rush to comment, you failed to notice that the list that you quoted does not include England among the signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. Next time read more carefully to avoid writing BS :)
(icj1, 16 February 2018 01:46)

you have finally snapped altogether, and even exceeded the most ignorant comments that you've made thus far.
(ChiTown, 16 February 2018 19:48)

I just stated a fact dear that England is not in rodkos42's list of Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. You might want to pay a visit to your oculist if your eyes see England in rodkos42's list of Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords lol

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
(icj1, 15 February 2018 16:03)

England and Great Britain are used interchangeably in political discussions
(njegos, 16 February 2018 15:01)

Few people, if any, use them interchangeably. That's because England and Great Britain are not the same political entity or geographical place. England, for example, is a city in USA, and has nothing to do with Great Britain. Just because you are a confused person does not mean that everybody else is confused like you.

Now, back to your questions... Do you have any other question you need help with, dear? Like any question about Great Britain or something else? lol

After being called out as a liar by several posters on this site and being proven wrong with researchable and verifiable facts, the best icj1 can do is to play word games
(njegos, 17 February 2018 14:03)

Well, nobody has proven me wrong with researchable and verifiable facts lol So, you or some other posters can call whatever you want, even three times a day (for breakfast, lunch and dinner) if you so wish; it does not make it true until you or these other posters provide researchable and verifiable facts to support whatever you or these other posters say.

As for NATO, we all saw Serbia disciplined by them in the most appropriate manner back in 1999 when even Russia turned its back on the barbaric cetniks. All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Hi Vicki (aka Jana Dovic) Russia is not the Russia of 20 years ago. Putin is not a sell out like Gorbachev, nor a drunk fool like Yeltsin.
(ChiTown, 14 February 2018 14:54)

That's correct. Putin is not a drunk fool like Yeltsin; Putin is much worse than that. Yeltsin sent the Russian soldiers to protect the cradle of Serbdom, whereas the sell out Putin betrayed Serbia (no surprise there) and withdrew the Russian soldiers from the cradle of Serbdom.

The Helsinki Accords, which state that countries that were signors to said accords, which Yugoslavia was, and later Serbia, cannot be altered by force. Yugoslavia's and later Serbia's borders were altered by force.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Few people, if any, are aware of any country signor to Helsinki Accords that altered FRY's and Serbia's borders by force. So, it's not clear what you are talking about, dear lol
----------

Not to mention the Yugoslav constitution was also violated.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Sure... But, I never wrote that Kosovo's Declaration of Independence was in accordance with FRY's Constitution. So feel free to tell that to yourself, not to me lol
----------

icj1 who has lost all ability to think critically and independently, agrees with everything and anything that runs contrary to Serbian interests.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Well, I agreed with something which was in accordance with international law. Only a Serb-hater like you considers Serbian interests as running contrary to international law!

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

And the international court ruling did not recognize Serbia's independence, either! So, what's your point?
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:35)

WHAT IS YOUR POINT ?
Mkqhz9SERBIA NEVER DECLARED INDEPENDENCE
(Sam D, 13 February 2018 20:46)

My point is the same as "Joe A"'s point.

Also, I wrote nothing about Serbia's declaration of independence, so it's not clear whom your comment was directed to. Was that a reminder to yourself that "SERBIA NEVER DECLARED INDEPENDENCE"?!

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
(icj1, 15 February 2018 16:03)

From New World Encyclopedia Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords

United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).
Proof that you are a liar!!
(rodkos42, 15 February 2018 17:11)

That actually proves that I was correct, dear lol In your enthusiastic rush to comment, you failed to notice that the list that you quoted does not include England among the signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. Next time read more carefully to avoid writing BS :)

After being called out as a liar by several posters on this site and being proven wrong with researchable and verifiable facts, the best icj1 can do is to play word games
(njegos, 17 February 2018 14:03)

Well, nobody has proven me wrong with researchable and verifiable facts lol So, you or some other posters can call whatever you want, even three times a day (for breakfast, lunch and dinner) if you so wish; it does not make it true until you or these other posters provide researchable and verifiable facts to support whatever you or these other posters say.
(icj1, 17 February 2018 20:59)

Wrong!! You've been proven wrong over and over again.
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

That has happened in your dreams only since, in reality, you still have not identified a single thing that I've written which has been proven to be wrong with researchable and verifiable facts. I totally understand though that, to you, your dreams appear the same as reality lol

A great example is your latest attempt to convince us that international law was not violated in the breakup of Yugoslavia and later Serbia
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

It’s already settled (thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts) that the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law. Few people, if any, care if you are convinced!
-----

you diverted the subject to the usage of Great Britain vs England
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

It was not me who first used England or Great Britain. It was you who pleaded me on 15 February 2018 14:51 to answer your question "Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?". I correctly answered that question on 15 February 2018 16:03. If you did not want the subject to be about England or Great Britain, feel free to sort that out with yourself.
-----

Clearly, you couldn't, and still can't, defend the fact that international was broken which was the original point
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

I never made the point that it’s a "fact that international was broken", so you are correct that I can't defend a point I never made. It’s the job of the person who made that point to defend it, not me :)
-----

Even Madeline Albright, who is no friend to the Serbs, admitted that international law was broken
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

Only a Serb-hater like you would agree with somebody who is no friend to the Serbs!

icj1 is the only poster who, after being proven a liar with researhable and verifiable facts, continues to deny, lie and obfuscate.
(njegos, 19 February 2018 18:50)

But you have not listed anything that I wrote which was proven to be incorrect "with researhable and verifiable facts" lol
----------

icj1 still keeps coming back after she's been proven wrong by several posters.
(njegos, 19 February 2018 18:50)

But you have not found a single poster who has proven me wrong on anything, dear :)
----------

icj1 lies so much that she truly believes she is right and the rest of the world is wrong.
(njegos, 19 February 2018 18:50)

Just because you believe that your dreams are true and the world is wrong for not believing them, that does not mean that everybody is like you dear!

EU did not betray anyone... EU needs to stay out of these Balkan little countries who to this day behave like savages.

They have no place in EU none of them.

Croatia needs to be reconsidered considering they produce a lot of hate towards neighbors too.
Albania and Serbia should never even get the opportunity, and the rest can keep dreaming.

Slovenia has been the most successful one.

NO PLACE IN EU FOR BALKAN SAVAGES

Two faces EU. That’s why we made such a painful process and accepted Ahtisaari plan. First they say they will then they will NOT.
Now - we must revoke Ahtisaari plan completely.

Let’s start the war if you up to?

Remember we are much stronger then in 1999?

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.

Once again the question that is raised is "Was the unilaterally declaration of independence of Kosovo* legal??????????
To the corrupt bullies of Nato and E.U the answer is no.
If you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL. So much that it set a precedent which other nations feared. Then the propaganda by way of Google maps and U.S fake media started by promoting even holiday destinations to Pristina.Hahahaha.
U.S citizens are safer in South Central L.A than go on a holiday to a Ghetto like Pristina.
Double standards have started to appear.The E.U and U.S can't admitt a big error was made by supporting these terrorists and mafia run thugs. Now it's all about not embarrassing themselves but paying poor nations to recognize such illegal acts. Even the E.U courts and CAS(Sport Administration) have been pressured by the corrupt West politicians.
YOU MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION
Kosovo* is SERBIA

If you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL.
(Smart Serb, 13 February 2018 11:35)

Dear, have you been in hibernation or living in another planet for the last 8 years or so?! lol

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.

@ T

Albanian territories - Albanian people lives - were stolen not Serbian lives or territories. And this is a proven fact, and all Serbs know that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1912%E2%80%9313

Kosovo* is SERBIA but you dont have it and lost it

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

And the international court ruling did not recognize Serbia's independence, either! So, what's your point?
----------

it merely stated that the proclamation did not violate international law
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Yes, which means that the proclamation was legal (under international law).
----------

It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Only if it does not violate international law. If/when somebody and their kitchen sink proclaim independence, let us know lol.

The ruling is used by for instance Catalunya as a precedent for their own proclamation. But just like Kosovo's, their proclamation violated not only the constitution of Spain but also international law.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Catalunya can't violate international law, dear, because Calalunya is not a subject of international law. International law regulates relations of states with each other, and Catalynua is not a state. What regions/provinces of a state can or can't do is a matter of domestic law, not international law. As far as international law is concerned, anything that is done within Spain, is attributed to Spain.
----------

In the case of Yugoslavia, Kosovo independence also violated international law on federation.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

There is not any international law on federation that Kosovo's declaration of independence violated. You just made that up and it contradicts what you just wrote yourself that the proclamation did not violate international law.

You are very confused dear and you appear to not have any idea what exactly you are talking about!

How the E.U betrayed Serbia!!!!!
How NATO poised Serbia and Kosovo* by way of DEPLETED URANIUM!!!!!
How U.S companies are mining Trepica!!!!!

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2018 09:49)


You are correct and that God forsaken place is Serbia. It seems that the EU is playing Serbia for a fool, with no intention of allowing Serbia to become a member. Why would any organization wish to be associated with a genocidal entity that lacks civilized values.

As for NATO, we all saw Serbia disciplined by them in the most appropriate manner back in 1999 when even Russia turned its back on the barbaric cetniks. All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.

Kosovo* is SERBIA but you dont have it and lost it
(Sam, 13 February 2018 15:20)

@ Sammy - You're right, Kosovo is Srpsko! We didn't lose it, it was stolen and you're right...we don't have it...yet!! But the clock is ticking...and I'm pretty sure Thaci & Hardinaj can hear it....

you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL.
(Smart Serb, 13 February 2018 11:35)

Dear, have you been in hibernation or living in another planet for the last 8 years or so?! lol

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:45)

@ icj prosta - sweetie, just when I thought you were doing better, you go back to being ignorant & more dumber than a stick! Have you been taking your medication? Just wondering, because when everybody's starting to see the writing on the wall, you revert back to saying stupid things again...

NO PLACE IN EU FOR BALKAN SAVAGES
(EU, 13 February 2018 10:28)

Well, you have the Croats and I can't think of any other ex-Yu nation that better fits your description.

Speaking of savages, what about Germany? Have you forgotten or are you trying to re-writing history? The history of other EU nations is not much less savage. The British, French, Belgians, Austrians, and Spanish have been quite savage to their poor colonies.

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence or deemed it legal; it merely stated that the proclamation did not violate international law. It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence. That ruling opened Pandora's box. The ruling is used by for instance Catalunya as a precedent for their own proclamation. But just like Kosovo's, their proclamation violated not only the constitution of Spain but also international law on territorial integrity. And the Helsinki accord. In the case of Yugoslavia, Kosovo independence also violated international law on federation. As did the whole breakup of Yugoslavia, actually. In the ruling on Sjesil, the court stated that the state of war in Yugoslavia was legal due to illegal secession.

Ahtisaari was a soldier in the war and he diid not fight on our side. Yet treason wasn't a EU way. Americans practice it all over the world to change their concomes ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMMBe0iLcIg

Kosovo was stolen from Serbia, we all know (including Albanians).
Some say there is nothing that Serbia can do except recognise an independent Kosovo.
There is an other way and maybe the only way that this issue gets resolved. Serbia should grant full autonomy to Kosovo, self rule, their own constitution even but with the provision that it remains a territory of Serbia.
The details of how exactly this arrangement should function can be discussed and so it should be, 'cause the path we're on now is never going to appease both sides.

@ sj
I told you once and I tell you again : What ancient history have Slavic people? Zero, right???
You still don't know where you came from. And you are millions, no?
The history is not written by Albanians, we use Turkish, British, German, Russian... which are identical with our maps sj? Fact!
You use imaginary maps, trying to convince yourself, not others.
You look just an spiteful Serb that claim a glorious history but still the most known Hero in the war against Turks is an Albanian.
You have no hero's sj, just war criminals and oportunist on all you history.
If attacking your neighbors is history to you, sorry but which is a Serbian hero known in Europe for protecting Europe by Turks?

Besides Skanderbeg and Hunyadi, there is not a single one that is honoured even after 600 years.

So, sorry! We still have more than you have.

(Joni, 15 February 2018 09:14)
Where are the archaeological finds that prove Albanian are the indigenous peoples of the Balkans? The only people who honour Skanderbeg and Hunyadi are Albanians, no one else has heard of them.

“Hero in the war against Turks is an Albanian” – you are 97% Muslims so for a people that battled the Turks why did you convert so quickly?????

I agree you do have more than the Serbs. Yep plenty of crap more likely. Please stop embarrassing yourself with this fake history.

The Helsinki Accords, which state that countries that were signors to said accords, which Yugoslavia was, and later Serbia, cannot be altered by force. Yugoslavia's and later Serbia's borders were altered by force.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Few people, if any, are aware of any country signor to Helsinki Accords that altered FRY's and Serbia's borders by force. So, it's not clear what you are talking about, dear lol
(icj1, 15 February 2018 02:49)

Hey icj1 - were Yugoslavia's borders altered by force? Were Serbia's?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

I could not find any country signor of the Helsinki Accords which altered Serbia's borders by force. If you are aware of such thing happening, feel free to provide the name of the country which did alter Serbia's borders by force and the date when that happened.

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No

Wrong again icj!!! Every European country, except Albania, signed the Helsinki Accord in 1975. Actually, the follow up meeting took place in Belgrade, Yugoslavia 1978. Just wanted to clear up your little mistake so people aren't misinformed.

To icj1 the Serb Hater: From New World Encyclopedia Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords

United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).

Proof that you are a liar!!

Further proof the icj1 the Serb Hater is a liar: The guiding principles of the Act (Helsinki Accords)

The Act's "Declaration on Principles Guiding Relations between Participating States" (also known as "The Decalogue")
•Enumerated the following 10 points:
•I. Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty
•II. Refraining from the threat or use of force
•III. Inviolability of frontiers
•IV. Territorial integrity of States
•V. Peaceful settlement of disputes
•VI. Non-intervention in internal affairs
•VII. Respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief
•VIII. Equal rights and self-determination of peoples
•IX. Co-operation among States
•X. Fulfillment in good faith of obligations under international law

Proving you a liar is getting easier and easier icj1. I didn't even break a sweat. Your hatred of anything and everything Serb has clouded your ability to think rationally. It's quite amusing watching you tell lie after lie to support your deep seeded hatred. Such a sad life you lead Ina dear.

From New World Encyclopedia Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords
United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).
Proof that you are a liar!!
(rodkos42, 15 February 2018 17:11)

That actually proves that I was correct, dear lol In your enthusiastic rush to comment, you failed to notice that the list that you quoted does not include England among the signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. Next time read more carefully to avoid writing BS :)
(icj1, 16 February 2018 01:46)

you have finally snapped altogether, and even exceeded the most ignorant comments that you've made thus far.
(ChiTown, 16 February 2018 19:48)

I just stated a fact dear that England is not in rodkos42's list of Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. You might want to pay a visit to your oculist if your eyes see England in rodkos42's list of Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords lol

Watcher

you do get both the Serbs and Albanians will eventually get tired of fighting one day
Serbia will accept Kosovo Independence one day and Kosovo will accept Serbia's influence over Kosovo

As for NATO, we all saw Serbia disciplined by them in the most appropriate manner back in 1999 when even Russia turned its back on the barbaric cetniks. All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Hi Vicki (aka Jana Dovic) Russia is not the Russia of 20 years ago. Putin is not a sell out like Gorbachev, nor a drunk fool like Yeltsin.

As for NATO, we all saw Serbia disciplined by them in the most appropriate manner back in 1999 when even Russia turned its back on the barbaric cetniks. All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Hi Vicki (aka Jana Dovic) Russia is not the Russia of 20 years ago. Putin is not a sell out like Gorbachev, nor a drunk fool like Yeltsin.
(ChiTown, 14 February 2018 14:54)

That's correct. Putin is not a drunk fool like Yeltsin; Putin is much worse than that. Yeltsin sent the Russian soldiers to protect the cradle of Serbdom, whereas the sell out Putin betrayed Serbia (no surprise there) and withdrew the Russian soldiers from the cradle of Serbdom.

From icj1 the Serb Hater: Few people, if any, are aware of any country signor to Helsinki Accords that altered FRY's and Serbia's borders by force. So, it's not clear what you are talking about, dear lol "

Once again, the queen of obfuscation, deflection and double speak is talking in circles so as to avoid the subject. Hey icj1 - were Yugoslavia's borders altered by force? Were Serbia's? Did the US, Germany and England recognize the newly created states from the former Yugoslavia and later Serbia? Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords? Do the Helsinki Accords state that the borders of the countries who signed the accords could not be altered by force? Please answer each question icj1.

I apologize to the B92 readership for simplifying the above post, but this is the only way our dear friend icj1 the Serb Hater can understand the subject matter. It's a good thing I'm patient icj1. Very few others would be willing to work with such an intellectually challenged individual such as yourself. Fortunately for you I'm in a benevolent mood today.

Did the US, Germany and England recognize the newly created states from the former Yugoslavia and later Serbia?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
----------

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
----------

Do the Helsinki Accords state that the borders of the countries who signed the accords could not be altered by force?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No

Any more questions you have, dear?

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
(icj1, 15 February 2018 16:03)

From New World Encyclopedia Signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords

United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).
Proof that you are a liar!!
(rodkos42, 15 February 2018 17:11)

That actually proves that I was correct, dear lol In your enthusiastic rush to comment, you failed to notice that the list that you quoted does not include England among the signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. Next time read more carefully to avoid writing BS :)

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
(icj1, 15 February 2018 16:03)

Wrong again
(ChiTown, 15 February 2018 16:54)

Really?! When did England sign the Helsinki Accords?! I mean in reality, not in your dreams :)

Proving you a liar is getting easier and easier icj1.
(njegos, 15 February 2018 17:17)

Well, since according to you that it is easy, you should be able to easily come up with, at least, one thing that I've written which is a lie, because so far you've not come up with anything other than your Serb-hating comments!
----------

It's quite amusing watching you tell lie after lie to support your deep seeded hatred. Such a sad life you lead Ina dear.
(njegos, 15 February 2018 17:17)

You must have dreamed about the lies of this Ina in your dreams, dear. In the real world, no Ina wrote anything (whether lies or not) on this page. Feel free though to continue amusing yourself with your dreams lol

Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?
(njegos, 15 February 2018 14:51)

The answer to that question is No
(icj1, 15 February 2018 16:03)

England and Great Britain are used interchangeably in political discussions
(njegos, 16 February 2018 15:01)

Few people, if any, use them interchangeably. That's because England and Great Britain are not the same political entity or geographical place. England, for example, is a city in USA, and has nothing to do with Great Britain. Just because you are a confused person does not mean that everybody else is confused like you.

Now, back to your questions... Do you have any other question you need help with, dear? Like any question about Great Britain or something else? lol

After being called out as a liar by several posters on this site and being proven wrong with researchable and verifiable facts, the best icj1 can do is to play word games
(njegos, 17 February 2018 14:03)

Well, nobody has proven me wrong with researchable and verifiable facts lol So, you or some other posters can call whatever you want, even three times a day (for breakfast, lunch and dinner) if you so wish; it does not make it true until you or these other posters provide researchable and verifiable facts to support whatever you or these other posters say.

After being called out as a liar by several posters on this site and being proven wrong with researchable and verifiable facts, the best icj1 can do is to play word games
(njegos, 17 February 2018 14:03)

Well, nobody has proven me wrong with researchable and verifiable facts lol So, you or some other posters can call whatever you want, even three times a day (for breakfast, lunch and dinner) if you so wish; it does not make it true until you or these other posters provide researchable and verifiable facts to support whatever you or these other posters say.
(icj1, 17 February 2018 20:59)

Wrong!! You've been proven wrong over and over again.
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

That has happened in your dreams only since, in reality, you still have not identified a single thing that I've written which has been proven to be wrong with researchable and verifiable facts. I totally understand though that, to you, your dreams appear the same as reality lol

You are very confused dear and you appear to not have any idea what exactly you are talking about!
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:37)

Says the one who is deliberately clueless about everything and anything they choose to invite themselves into the conversation about. Sorry sweetie, but Joe A is absolutely right about Kosovo. It's not his fault you're unable to understand what's been out there for more than 10 years.

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

And the international court ruling did not recognize Serbia's independence, either! So, what's your point?
----------
WHAT IS YOUR POINT ?
Mkqhz9SERBIA NEVER DECLARED INDEPENDENCE

it merely stated that the proclamation did not violate international law
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)
OK
Yes, which means that the proclamation was legal (under international law).
---------- OK

It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)
TRUE
Only if it does not violate international law. If/when somebody and their kitchen sink proclaim independence, let us know lol.
???????

(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:35) # Comment link

icq. As usual you make no sense.

From icj1 the Serb Hater: "Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law."

Wrong again sweetie. The Helsinki Accords, which state that countries that were signors to said accords, which Yugoslavia was, and later Serbia, cannot be altered by force. Yugoslavia's and later Serbia's borders were altered by force. Only a Serb Hater like icj1 would deny this. Not to mention the Yugoslav constitution was also violated. But when you have the U.S., Germany and England advocating the dismemberment of Yugoslavia and later Serbia, there was little chance that international law would be upheld. Unfortunate but true. Only a Serb Hating internet troll like icj1 who has lost all ability to think critically and independently, agrees with everything and anything that runs contrary to Serbian interests.

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:45)

Wrong way at it again. Do you ever get anything right LOL????

The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. An advisory opinion is an opinion issued by a court that merely advises on the legality or interpretation of law much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law.

The International Court said that there are no provisions under international law that prohibits the physical act of declaring independence. Therefore, the so-called physical declaration is not even recognized by the International Court or International law LOL. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.

However, the issue of Kosovo separating from Serbia is a legal matter that is covered by international law. If Kosovo wants real independence it must seek a ruling, not an opinion on separation from Serbia, from the International Court to the effect that Kosovo is an independent state.

(Joni, 14 February 2018 10:50)

What utter drivel much like the story of Albanians being indigenous to the region and being the Illyrians, but not a cave painting, bridge, building not even a tooth pick can be claimed as something the Albanians built.
Albanians are the only people to lay claim to being Illyrians, but they changed their from Illyrian to Albanian.

All those maps belong to the Ottoman Empire. Albos converted to Islam and they rode in with the Turks. There is no record of Albos in the Balkans before the Turks arrived. Albanians use old Turkish maps to lay claim to something they never had in the first place.

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2018 09:49)

You are correct and that God forsaken place is Serbia. It seems that the EU is playing Serbia for a fool, with no intention of allowing Serbia to become a member.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

According to this article, the EU is certainly playing someone for a fool and it’s not Serbia. Moreover, the reality is the EU is openly discriminating against the “fools” of KiM who do not have Serbian travel documents.


Why would any organization wish to be associated with a genocidal entity that lacks civilized values.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Yes, countless Serbs, Roma, and other ethnicities have been killed or forced to leave KiM. That is why the EU wishes no association with the fenced-in apartheid bigots, or your “fools”.

All in all, the best position for Serbia is to be face down in the mud until or if it is ever able to reform itself.
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

Perhaps in your deluded mind, as the EU’s discrimination against the apartheid bigoted “fools” in KiM and the EU’s recent insistence on the so called “KLA court” for your “fools” contradict your delusion.

Perhaps the EU and NATO wanted the apartheid bigots fenced-in and isolated in a dysfunctional ghetto.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 13 February 2018 09:49)


You are correct and that God forsaken place is Serbia. It seems that the EU is playing Serbia for a fool
(Jana Dovic, 14 February 2018 06:38)

—-

You appear to be deluding yourself. According to this B92 article and the daily Koha Ditore, the “EU betrayed Ahtisaari and Kosovo".

(T, 14 February 2018 09:44)

This is how it will be. It will take time but it has been worked upon for a while in silence between big players. I.e US, UN, Russia etc.
Now someone will say never never bla bla. Its not me who has proposed this. Read again who is involved.

Ahtisaari was a soldier in the war and he diid not fight on our side. Yet treason wasn't a EU way. Americans practice it all over the world to change their concomes ...

[link]
(rote, 13 February 2018 21:09)

You forget about your friend Chernomyrdin was a special representative of Russia in Yugoslavia. It was he who persuaded Slobodan Milošević to agree to an armistice and to place Kosovo under UN control. Sure Russia was in no shape financially or militarily but all Milosevic needed was resources. Putin won't make the same mistake.

The Helsinki Accords, which state that countries that were signors to said accords, which Yugoslavia was, and later Serbia, cannot be altered by force. Yugoslavia's and later Serbia's borders were altered by force.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Few people, if any, are aware of any country signor to Helsinki Accords that altered FRY's and Serbia's borders by force. So, it's not clear what you are talking about, dear lol
----------

Not to mention the Yugoslav constitution was also violated.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Sure... But, I never wrote that Kosovo's Declaration of Independence was in accordance with FRY's Constitution. So feel free to tell that to yourself, not to me lol
----------

icj1 who has lost all ability to think critically and independently, agrees with everything and anything that runs contrary to Serbian interests.
(njegos, 14 February 2018 01:07)

Well, I agreed with something which was in accordance with international law. Only a Serb-hater like you considers Serbian interests as running contrary to international law!

you look at international law then the declaration was definitely ILLEGAL.
(Smart Serb, 13 February 2018 11:35)

Dear, have you been in hibernation or living in another planet for the last 8 years or so?! lol

Thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts, the question about whether Kosovo's declaration of independence violated international law was answered almost 8 years ago... i.e. the declaration did not violate any applicable international law.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:45)

sweetie, just when I thought you were doing better, you go back to being ignorant & more dumber than a stick!
(Watcher, 13 February 2018 17:40)

I just referenced Vuk's herculean efforts which clarified that Kosovo's Declaration of Independence did not violate international law. If you believe that Vuk is ignorant & more dumber (sic) than a stick, feel free to sort it out with Vuk lol

The international court on Kosovo ruling did not recognize Kosovo's independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

And the international court ruling did not recognize Serbia's independence, either! So, what's your point?
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:35)

WHAT IS YOUR POINT ?
Mkqhz9SERBIA NEVER DECLARED INDEPENDENCE
(Sam D, 13 February 2018 20:46)

My point is the same as "Joe A"'s point.

Also, I wrote nothing about Serbia's declaration of independence, so it's not clear whom your comment was directed to. Was that a reminder to yourself that "SERBIA NEVER DECLARED INDEPENDENCE"?!

It means that now everybody and their kitchen sink can proclaim independence.
(Joe A, 13 February 2018 13:33)

Only if it does not violate international law. If/when somebody and their kitchen sink proclaim independence, let us know lol.
(icj1, 13 February 2018 15:35)

???????
(Sam D, 13 February 2018 20:46)

You are asking me about when somebody and their kitchen sink will proclaim independence?! I'm not aware of that ever happening and I'm pretty confident that it won't ever happen. But our dear friend "Joe A" appears to think otherwise, so feel free to direct that question to him/her :)

(icj1, 15 February 2018 02:57

Wrong way wrong again. Do you ever get anything right LOL????

The International Court was sought to provide an advisory opinion, not ruling, on Kosovo's declaration of independence. An advisory opinion is an opinion issued by a court that merely advises on the legality or interpretation of law much like going to a lawyer to seek an opinion on a certain aspect of law.

The International Court said that there are no provisions under international law that prohibits the physical act of declaring independence. Therefore, the so-called physical declaration is not even recognized by the International Court or International law LOL. The Court did not validate Kosovo’s so-called declaration of independence in the eyes of international law with its advisory opinion, but that is what you need.

However, the issue of Kosovo separating from Serbia is a legal matter that is covered by international law. If Kosovo wants real independence it must seek a ruling, not an opinion on separation from Serbia, from the International Court to the effect that Kosovo is an independent state.

HAHAHA!! Is that the best you can come up with icj1?? Playing word games again? Every logical and educated person on this forum knows that England and Great Britain are used interchangeably in political discussions much like Holland and the Netherlands or America and the US and the list goes on. Once again icj1 is unable to support her Serb Hating arguments so she resorts to obfuscation and deflection from the subject at hand. And since icj1 didn't refute the guiding principles of the Helsinki Accords, she must agree that international law was broken as the Helsinki Accords were violated due to the forcible and violent breakup of Yugoslavia. Thank you for finally seeing the light on this subject. Your twisted mind couldn't conjure up a convoluted retort to this violation of international law. You're slipping dear Ina.

Exposing you as the fraud that you are was, once again, very fun!! You must be a glutton for punishment. How many times have you been proven to be a liar on this forum? I've lost count. LOL

United States, Canada, the Soviet Union, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Finland, France, the German Democratic Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, Greece, the Holy See, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Kingdom, Yugoslavia; excluding Albania and Andorra).
Proof that you are a liar!!
(rodkos42, 15 February 2018 17:11)

That actually proves that I was correct, dear lol In your enthusiastic rush to comment, you failed to notice that the list that you quoted does not include England among the signatory countries to the Helsinki Accords. Next time read more carefully to avoid writing BS :)
(icj1, 16 February 2018 01:46)

icj. I usually give your ignorance the benefit of doubt, but you have finally snapped altogether, and even exceeded the most ignorant comments that you've made thus far. Please reread your comment, find the mistake, correct your error, and come back and explain/repost your findings. You really need to do this so you don't lost the little credibility you have. Just trying to help, that's all.....

England and Great Britain are used interchangeably in political discussions much like Holland and the Netherlands or America and the US and the list goes on. Once again icj1 is unable to support her Serb Hating arguments so she resorts to obfuscation and deflection from the subject at hand.
(njegos, 16 February 2018 15:01)

——

icj1 has admitted to being ignorant about a common term associated with GDP. icj1 is also a self-diagnosed nihilist. Moreover, as a self-proclaimed proud Ustasha apologist and disciple of warped Mengele medical diagnostic, icj1 inherently can not be expected to match or exceed the morality or comprehension of a 3 year old.

Buried under an avalanche of lies and obfuscation, icj1 the Serb Hater continues to play her little word games. After being called out as a liar by several posters on this site and being proven wrong with researchable and verifiable facts, the best icj1 can do is to play word games to defend her weak Serb-Hating arguments. Ina dear, you epitomize the French saying that Croats are brave people not because they are fearless, but because they have no shame.

Well, nobody has proven me wrong
(icj1, 17 February 2018 20:59)

——

As a self proclaimed nihilist, you labeled icj1 as a “nobody”.

We agree, icj1 who is a “nobody”, consistently proves icj1 to be wrong.

From icj1 the Serb Hater: "Well, nobody has proven me wrong with researchable and verifiable facts"

Wrong!! You've been proven wrong over and over again. And your defense is to attempt to divert the subject away from its original meaning. A great example is your latest attempt to convince us that international law was not violated in the breakup of Yugoslavia and later Serbia. When I cited that the Helsinki Accords was broken and even spelled it out to your simple mind what it contains from a verifiable source, in your true cowardly fashion you diverted the subject to the usage of Great Britain vs England. Clearly, you couldn't, and still can't, defend the fact that international was broken which was the original point. Even Madeline Albright, who is no friend to the Serbs, admitted that international law was broken. At least she has some credibility, however little it may be, while you have none and obviously never will. Poor little misguided hate-filled Ina still playing word games. Very predictable and very laughable.

a certain nobody called "RighteousBilly" writes so
(icj1, 7 April 2017 12:22)

Well, nobody has proven me wrong
(icj1, 17 February 2018 20:59)


—-

In addition to icj1 proving themselves wrong, “RighteousBilly” who is also a nobody, has proven icj1 wrong.

A great example is your latest attempt to convince us that international law was not violated in the breakup of Yugoslavia and later Serbia
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

It’s already settled (thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts) that the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law. Few people, if any, care if you are convinced!
-----

you diverted the subject to the usage of Great Britain vs England
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

It was not me who first used England or Great Britain. It was you who pleaded me on 15 February 2018 14:51 to answer your question "Were Yugoslavia, the US, Germany and England signatories of the Helsinki Accords?". I correctly answered that question on 15 February 2018 16:03. If you did not want the subject to be about England or Great Britain, feel free to sort that out with yourself.
-----

Clearly, you couldn't, and still can't, defend the fact that international was broken which was the original point
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

I never made the point that it’s a "fact that international was broken", so you are correct that I can't defend a point I never made. It’s the job of the person who made that point to defend it, not me :)
-----

Even Madeline Albright, who is no friend to the Serbs, admitted that international law was broken
(njegos, 18 February 2018 14:08)

Only a Serb-hater like you would agree with somebody who is no friend to the Serbs!

More double speak, deflection and obfuscation from the Serb-Hater icj1, aka Ina from Australia. Well-versed in changing the subject and veering off on a tangent totally unrelated to the original subject, icj1 hides behind her computer conjuring up her anti-Serb vitriol for all to view.

icj1 is the only poster who, after being proven a liar with researhable and verifiable facts, continues to deny, lie and obfuscate. This comes from years and tears of trying to cleanse the image of her Ustasha relatives. This practice is very common as we have seen from other Ustasha apologists like Dwight. What is uncommon, however, is that icj1 still keeps coming back after she's been proven wrong by several posters. Dwight, on the other hand, has run away after being shamed by irrefutable facts that proved him wrong while icj1 continues to deny the facts. icj1 lies so much that she truly believes she is right and the rest of the world is wrong. icj1 has no shame. That's OK Ina, you keep lying and we'll keep proving you wrong.

icj1 is the only poster who, after being proven a liar with researhable and verifiable facts, continues to deny, lie and obfuscate.
(njegos, 19 February 2018 18:50)

But you have not listed anything that I wrote which was proven to be incorrect "with researhable and verifiable facts" lol
----------

icj1 still keeps coming back after she's been proven wrong by several posters.
(njegos, 19 February 2018 18:50)

But you have not found a single poster who has proven me wrong on anything, dear :)
----------

icj1 lies so much that she truly believes she is right and the rest of the world is wrong.
(njegos, 19 February 2018 18:50)

Just because you believe that your dreams are true and the world is wrong for not believing them, that does not mean that everybody is like you dear!