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Thursday, 07.12.2017.

09:49

"Hague achieved no reconciliation, but had credible results"

Serge Brammertz says it is hard to disagree with those who say the Hague Tribunal (ICTY) has not achieved reconciliation in the former Yugoslavia.

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icj1

pre 6 godina

this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia
(Exasperated, 7 December 2017 18:54)

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.
(icj1, 8 December 2017 04:10)

As always you perform your role of the arrogant intelligentsia
(Doubly Exasperated, 10 December 2017 12:52)

There is nothing arrogant in what I wrote. I simply stated a fact that the responsibility for the crimes committed rests with the criminals that the UN found to have committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and/or genocide, not Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia.

It's really not clear why some people like this "Exasperated" want Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia to have their name sullied because of the crimes that were committed by just a few people who happened to be Serbs!

Doubly Exasperated

pre 6 godina

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.
(icj1, 8 December 2017 04:10)

As always you perform your role of the arrogant intelligentsia ,on this forum,to the bitter end. You're at least amusing as you well know the implication ,even if disguised,was intended.Your comments are equally hapless at disguising your love for Serbdom.

icj1

pre 6 godina

both Milosevic and Seselj revealed to the world the bought out witnesses (Rade Markovic reversing his testinomy), intimidation, killing of witnesses to cover up crimes (Haradinaj, Oric) and US protection of Islamic Fundamentalist Muslims.
(Jugoslavija, 8 December 2017 20:59)

It appears that Milosevic and Seselj revealed that stuff to you in your dreams because there is no evidence that it happened in the real world lol

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

The highlight of this Kangaroo court is that both Milosevic and Seselj revealed to the world the bought out witnesses (Rade Markovic reversing his testinomy), intimidation, killing of witnesses to cover up crimes (Haradinaj, Oric) and US protection of Islamic Fundamentalist Muslims. Both the Serbs and Croats who fought against them sentenced to the full extent of this so called court.

icj1

pre 6 godina

this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia
(Exasperated, 7 December 2017 18:54)

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.

icj1

pre 6 godina

It's horrifying that he can say that with a straight face after the acquittals of Oric, Gotovina and Haradinaj.
(Ari Gold, 7 December 2017 12:57)

Why? What's wrong with the acquittal of Albanian, Croat, Bosniak and Serb people for whom there was not sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt they had committed a crime under ICTY's jurisdiction?!

Reader

pre 6 godina

The goal of the Hague was to prosecute and bring war criminals to justice in an impartial way based on facts and witnesses. This it has done reasonably well. As for reconciliation, it can only go so far. The people in the region have to do their part. Having war criminals teach in the military academies certainly does not help with reconciliation.

Exasperated

pre 6 godina

It almost pains me to have to respond to this anti-Serbian puppet Brammertz,but his idiotic final comments carry within them the undisguised admission that this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia whilst giving the impression the other ethnicities did nothing? Still this can be no surprise,here we are 72 years on from the debacle that was the 2nd World War where the Serbs were treated even more heinously by their so-called neighbors (Croat,Bosniak,Albanian-the usual suspects!!) and those responsible for those crimes have gone to the grave unpunished as will this next tranche of so-called "liberators" get away with it again,in all likelihood!!!

rote

pre 6 godina

Serge Brammertz and the kind made their best so that we need another Tribunal that will prosecute the judges themselves. Their "US Special Forces" back vocals will be punished next. As an American instrument ICTY has served them bad service I think. Only it's not evident yet ... Next day after Russia finished in Syria it started to patrol the Chinese Sea ... Now that we are free from Seoul and the young Kim obligations we can also have a better look at other regions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikGyZh0VbPQ&list=RDkMs7SLDFZdI&index=11

US Special Forces

pre 6 godina

The ICTY credibly demonstrated themselves to be a circus.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 7 December 2017 13:41)


It's more like it that the ICTY credibly demonstrated that Serb war criminals were murderous clowns.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

It's horrifying that he can say that with a straight face after the acquittals of Oric, Gotovina and Haradinaj. The ICTY sought to legalize the murder and ethnic cleansing of Serb civilians and that is their only "achievement".

Serbia's only option going forward is to employ Israeli tactics when it comes bringing justice for the terrorists that butchered its people. Sadly, Serbia is no Israel, nor does it have an elite that at all care about the plight their people experienced in the 90s.

Lenards Clone

pre 6 godina

The ICTY shown its weakness when it released war criminal Seselj. 70% Serbs convicted. Proves that Serbias aggression on others was orchestrated by the Slobo war machine. Despite all this we will all have to be pretend to be loving friends once again once the whole region joins the E.U. Brotherhood & Unity x 2.

Kirk

pre 6 godina

Michael Karnavas impressions of 12 years of experience with the ICTY:
http://michaelgkarnavas.net/blog/2017/12/05/praljaks-defiance/

This is Charles R. Shrader's analysis of the Croat-Muslim conflict:
https://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Croat-Civil-War-Central-Bosnia/dp/1585442615/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

Serious claims about irregularities during the trial:
http://vijesti.hrt.hr/419064/otvoreno-je-li-haski-sud-ispunio-zadacu

If JCE really is based on a conspiracy theory, then this is really a degradation of international law to standards of Middle Ages, probably for subduing smaller countries by larger ones like in good old colonial times. Misuse of UN institutions for third party political objectives. Absolute farce.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

A farce created by NATO nations that excluded their crimes. It just made Serbs more determined in the end and exposed the deep political nature of this so-called tribunal.

"Mission accomplished"... LOL! We've all heard that one before! The ending was appropriate, with a Croat committing suicide right in front of the world.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

A farce created by NATO nations that excluded their crimes. It just made Serbs more determined in the end and exposed the deep political nature of this so-called tribunal.

"Mission accomplished"... LOL! We've all heard that one before! The ending was appropriate, with a Croat committing suicide right in front of the world.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

It's horrifying that he can say that with a straight face after the acquittals of Oric, Gotovina and Haradinaj. The ICTY sought to legalize the murder and ethnic cleansing of Serb civilians and that is their only "achievement".

Serbia's only option going forward is to employ Israeli tactics when it comes bringing justice for the terrorists that butchered its people. Sadly, Serbia is no Israel, nor does it have an elite that at all care about the plight their people experienced in the 90s.

Kirk

pre 6 godina

Michael Karnavas impressions of 12 years of experience with the ICTY:
http://michaelgkarnavas.net/blog/2017/12/05/praljaks-defiance/

This is Charles R. Shrader's analysis of the Croat-Muslim conflict:
https://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Croat-Civil-War-Central-Bosnia/dp/1585442615/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

Serious claims about irregularities during the trial:
http://vijesti.hrt.hr/419064/otvoreno-je-li-haski-sud-ispunio-zadacu

If JCE really is based on a conspiracy theory, then this is really a degradation of international law to standards of Middle Ages, probably for subduing smaller countries by larger ones like in good old colonial times. Misuse of UN institutions for third party political objectives. Absolute farce.

Exasperated

pre 6 godina

It almost pains me to have to respond to this anti-Serbian puppet Brammertz,but his idiotic final comments carry within them the undisguised admission that this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia whilst giving the impression the other ethnicities did nothing? Still this can be no surprise,here we are 72 years on from the debacle that was the 2nd World War where the Serbs were treated even more heinously by their so-called neighbors (Croat,Bosniak,Albanian-the usual suspects!!) and those responsible for those crimes have gone to the grave unpunished as will this next tranche of so-called "liberators" get away with it again,in all likelihood!!!

Lenards Clone

pre 6 godina

The ICTY shown its weakness when it released war criminal Seselj. 70% Serbs convicted. Proves that Serbias aggression on others was orchestrated by the Slobo war machine. Despite all this we will all have to be pretend to be loving friends once again once the whole region joins the E.U. Brotherhood & Unity x 2.

US Special Forces

pre 6 godina

The ICTY credibly demonstrated themselves to be a circus.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 7 December 2017 13:41)


It's more like it that the ICTY credibly demonstrated that Serb war criminals were murderous clowns.

rote

pre 6 godina

Serge Brammertz and the kind made their best so that we need another Tribunal that will prosecute the judges themselves. Their "US Special Forces" back vocals will be punished next. As an American instrument ICTY has served them bad service I think. Only it's not evident yet ... Next day after Russia finished in Syria it started to patrol the Chinese Sea ... Now that we are free from Seoul and the young Kim obligations we can also have a better look at other regions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikGyZh0VbPQ&list=RDkMs7SLDFZdI&index=11

Reader

pre 6 godina

The goal of the Hague was to prosecute and bring war criminals to justice in an impartial way based on facts and witnesses. This it has done reasonably well. As for reconciliation, it can only go so far. The people in the region have to do their part. Having war criminals teach in the military academies certainly does not help with reconciliation.

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

The highlight of this Kangaroo court is that both Milosevic and Seselj revealed to the world the bought out witnesses (Rade Markovic reversing his testinomy), intimidation, killing of witnesses to cover up crimes (Haradinaj, Oric) and US protection of Islamic Fundamentalist Muslims. Both the Serbs and Croats who fought against them sentenced to the full extent of this so called court.

icj1

pre 6 godina

It's horrifying that he can say that with a straight face after the acquittals of Oric, Gotovina and Haradinaj.
(Ari Gold, 7 December 2017 12:57)

Why? What's wrong with the acquittal of Albanian, Croat, Bosniak and Serb people for whom there was not sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt they had committed a crime under ICTY's jurisdiction?!

icj1

pre 6 godina

this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia
(Exasperated, 7 December 2017 18:54)

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.

icj1

pre 6 godina

both Milosevic and Seselj revealed to the world the bought out witnesses (Rade Markovic reversing his testinomy), intimidation, killing of witnesses to cover up crimes (Haradinaj, Oric) and US protection of Islamic Fundamentalist Muslims.
(Jugoslavija, 8 December 2017 20:59)

It appears that Milosevic and Seselj revealed that stuff to you in your dreams because there is no evidence that it happened in the real world lol

icj1

pre 6 godina

this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia
(Exasperated, 7 December 2017 18:54)

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.
(icj1, 8 December 2017 04:10)

As always you perform your role of the arrogant intelligentsia
(Doubly Exasperated, 10 December 2017 12:52)

There is nothing arrogant in what I wrote. I simply stated a fact that the responsibility for the crimes committed rests with the criminals that the UN found to have committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and/or genocide, not Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia.

It's really not clear why some people like this "Exasperated" want Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia to have their name sullied because of the crimes that were committed by just a few people who happened to be Serbs!

Doubly Exasperated

pre 6 godina

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.
(icj1, 8 December 2017 04:10)

As always you perform your role of the arrogant intelligentsia ,on this forum,to the bitter end. You're at least amusing as you well know the implication ,even if disguised,was intended.Your comments are equally hapless at disguising your love for Serbdom.

US Special Forces

pre 6 godina

The ICTY credibly demonstrated themselves to be a circus.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 7 December 2017 13:41)


It's more like it that the ICTY credibly demonstrated that Serb war criminals were murderous clowns.

Lenards Clone

pre 6 godina

The ICTY shown its weakness when it released war criminal Seselj. 70% Serbs convicted. Proves that Serbias aggression on others was orchestrated by the Slobo war machine. Despite all this we will all have to be pretend to be loving friends once again once the whole region joins the E.U. Brotherhood & Unity x 2.

Ari Gold

pre 6 godina

It's horrifying that he can say that with a straight face after the acquittals of Oric, Gotovina and Haradinaj. The ICTY sought to legalize the murder and ethnic cleansing of Serb civilians and that is their only "achievement".

Serbia's only option going forward is to employ Israeli tactics when it comes bringing justice for the terrorists that butchered its people. Sadly, Serbia is no Israel, nor does it have an elite that at all care about the plight their people experienced in the 90s.

Reader

pre 6 godina

The goal of the Hague was to prosecute and bring war criminals to justice in an impartial way based on facts and witnesses. This it has done reasonably well. As for reconciliation, it can only go so far. The people in the region have to do their part. Having war criminals teach in the military academies certainly does not help with reconciliation.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

A farce created by NATO nations that excluded their crimes. It just made Serbs more determined in the end and exposed the deep political nature of this so-called tribunal.

"Mission accomplished"... LOL! We've all heard that one before! The ending was appropriate, with a Croat committing suicide right in front of the world.

Kirk

pre 6 godina

Michael Karnavas impressions of 12 years of experience with the ICTY:
http://michaelgkarnavas.net/blog/2017/12/05/praljaks-defiance/

This is Charles R. Shrader's analysis of the Croat-Muslim conflict:
https://www.amazon.com/Muslim-Croat-Civil-War-Central-Bosnia/dp/1585442615/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

Serious claims about irregularities during the trial:
http://vijesti.hrt.hr/419064/otvoreno-je-li-haski-sud-ispunio-zadacu

If JCE really is based on a conspiracy theory, then this is really a degradation of international law to standards of Middle Ages, probably for subduing smaller countries by larger ones like in good old colonial times. Misuse of UN institutions for third party political objectives. Absolute farce.

rote

pre 6 godina

Serge Brammertz and the kind made their best so that we need another Tribunal that will prosecute the judges themselves. Their "US Special Forces" back vocals will be punished next. As an American instrument ICTY has served them bad service I think. Only it's not evident yet ... Next day after Russia finished in Syria it started to patrol the Chinese Sea ... Now that we are free from Seoul and the young Kim obligations we can also have a better look at other regions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikGyZh0VbPQ&list=RDkMs7SLDFZdI&index=11

Exasperated

pre 6 godina

It almost pains me to have to respond to this anti-Serbian puppet Brammertz,but his idiotic final comments carry within them the undisguised admission that this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia whilst giving the impression the other ethnicities did nothing? Still this can be no surprise,here we are 72 years on from the debacle that was the 2nd World War where the Serbs were treated even more heinously by their so-called neighbors (Croat,Bosniak,Albanian-the usual suspects!!) and those responsible for those crimes have gone to the grave unpunished as will this next tranche of so-called "liberators" get away with it again,in all likelihood!!!

icj1

pre 6 godina

It's horrifying that he can say that with a straight face after the acquittals of Oric, Gotovina and Haradinaj.
(Ari Gold, 7 December 2017 12:57)

Why? What's wrong with the acquittal of Albanian, Croat, Bosniak and Serb people for whom there was not sufficient evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt they had committed a crime under ICTY's jurisdiction?!

icj1

pre 6 godina

this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia
(Exasperated, 7 December 2017 18:54)

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

The highlight of this Kangaroo court is that both Milosevic and Seselj revealed to the world the bought out witnesses (Rade Markovic reversing his testinomy), intimidation, killing of witnesses to cover up crimes (Haradinaj, Oric) and US protection of Islamic Fundamentalist Muslims. Both the Serbs and Croats who fought against them sentenced to the full extent of this so called court.

icj1

pre 6 godina

both Milosevic and Seselj revealed to the world the bought out witnesses (Rade Markovic reversing his testinomy), intimidation, killing of witnesses to cover up crimes (Haradinaj, Oric) and US protection of Islamic Fundamentalist Muslims.
(Jugoslavija, 8 December 2017 20:59)

It appears that Milosevic and Seselj revealed that stuff to you in your dreams because there is no evidence that it happened in the real world lol

Doubly Exasperated

pre 6 godina

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.
(icj1, 8 December 2017 04:10)

As always you perform your role of the arrogant intelligentsia ,on this forum,to the bitter end. You're at least amusing as you well know the implication ,even if disguised,was intended.Your comments are equally hapless at disguising your love for Serbdom.

icj1

pre 6 godina

this was indeed an exercise constructed to further sully the name of Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia
(Exasperated, 7 December 2017 18:54)

No dear, just because some criminal convicted by ICTY happened to be a Serb, that does not mean that Serbia's people or the Serbs are criminals.
(icj1, 8 December 2017 04:10)

As always you perform your role of the arrogant intelligentsia
(Doubly Exasperated, 10 December 2017 12:52)

There is nothing arrogant in what I wrote. I simply stated a fact that the responsibility for the crimes committed rests with the criminals that the UN found to have committed war crimes, crimes against humanity and/or genocide, not Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia.

It's really not clear why some people like this "Exasperated" want Serbia and Serbs throughout Yugoslavia to have their name sullied because of the crimes that were committed by just a few people who happened to be Serbs!