EC claims Catalonia and Kosovo are "not comparable"

Catalonia was not legal but Kosovo was legal because it was a "special case". I fail to see how Kosovo is more "special" than Catalonia.

"Catalonia was not legal but Kosovo was legal because it was a "special case". I fail to see how Kosovo is more "special" than Catalonia"

Abe

Kosovo is a "special case" because the west has no other way of explaining the theft of Serbian land with a reasonable argument. Kosovo is comming back to bite the EU and america the a.s.

Nazi hypocrites. You reap what you sow. Not only will your member states fall apart, your union will collapse as well. What you deserve!

Yes, they are different. Kosovo* is an impoverished hole, ruled by organ traffickers and terrorists. Most of its Albanian population are begging to leave and paying Serbians their life's savings just to get out of the place. Catalonia on the on the other hand has a booming economy and a population that doesn't consist of toothless monkeys.

2. Spanish militias and militaries aren't active in Catalonia with large casualties.
Albanian Boy, 2 October 2017 15:33)
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They don't need to be active as there is no terrorist campaign by the Catalans. The Catalans aren't calling on NATO to bomb Spain either.

The real differences are Catalonia is a region with culture and history of its own. They haven't ambushed policaemen day in and out. They haven't run the biggest drug programme on the world.
Kla and drenica gang were terrorist criminals. The Americans said so. Why do they get special treatment? The army ran a counterterrorism campaign, with minimal collateral damage to civilians, and yet Kosovo was recognised by some.
The victims were Serbs, Albanians and other people. See today. these people live in a ghetto.

"the EC "declared" the Catalan independence referendum held the previous day was unconstitutional according to Spanish law" The violation of Serbia's constitution even without a referendum (which would still be illegal unless Serbs gave their consent) is perfectly fine and lawful simply because we re Serbs! Serbs remember this when politicians wanna bring us to the EU!

The two are not comparable. Catalonia is a developed region that can function on its own if given independence with skilled labor and an educated society. Kosovo is a backwater region populated by narco-terrorists who believe in blood feuds and live off of remittance money from abroad. Catalonia also has an historical identity. Kosovo is a Frankenstein state propped up by American diplomacy. Good thing someone pointed out the difference.

Its true, they cant be compared. Theres no Catalan ethnicity. Catalonia is just a cultural group of spain not an thnicity or minority.
Catalonia was never a province with full rights like kosovo, didnt go through a genocide and didnt have a UN protectorate with a resolution that does not prohibit independence. Their constituion does.
(People of Kosovo, 2 October 2017 20:58)

total perversion of history as always from the "people of Kosovo";
1. Catalonia had constitutions and and was a principality since the 13th century.
2. A distinctive Catalan culture and language developed since the 9th century
3. Catalonia is a autonomous region of Spain (just like Kosovo is an autonomous region of Serbia since 1974). No Yugoslav or Serb constitution allowed unilateral declarations of independence without the central governments "ok". No nation would allow this.
4. There was NO genocide in Kosovo so stop using a term that is an insult to real victims of genocide; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm

just take the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army out of the picture and you have the identical situation as in Kosovo in the 1980's. The only difference here is that the Catalans don't have the CIA support to start shooting police and army personnel as the Kosovo Albaniancs did with Serb police...

Junckner and the EC don't know what they are talking about.

Just because a country is part of the EU doesnt mean that country's separatist can't be compared to Kosovo's separatist and seperation.

It's a matter of sovereignty not whether the country is part of the EU club.

A matter of fact all separatists post Yugoslav war can be compared to the Kosovo desperation.

The door to Pandora's box has been opened in Kosovo, no matter how much people yell "special case" or "it's not the same"...nothing nobody can do about it as Russia & China kick back and enjoy the show...at the expense of Srbs and Albanians.
Spain's move of not recognizing Kosovo now is going to pay for itself many times over.....and so it starts...the hypocritical face of EU goes into defensive mode full steam....lol

It's true, each worm is different in the can of worms but they all came from the same can and it was the EU/US who opened the can. Now the worms are spreading while the media is comparing them to the first worm, named Kosovo.

Some politicians would like to say the Kosovo worm was a special, one-off case but most people know that is not true. NATO and the EU now have a worm problem. Catalonia and Kurdistan. LOL!

From Dwight: "Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government."

Hey Dwight, if you have some information that has not yet been passed along to the Hague, please by all means, share your information with the proper authorities. Otherwise, shut up because your general broad brush statements condemning Serbs is worthless. I don't remember seeing you speak out about the fact that not a single Croat has been brought to justice after nearly 2,000 civilians were killed during Storm. Are you as outraged about those crimes too Dwight?

SBut erbia revoked Kosovo Autonomy, sent tanks and put Kosovo under Terror Regime. And that wasn`t enough, when UCK fought back (the main target were always Armed Forces)

@ Free - Hey Free...was the baby Harindaj slaughtered in the Serbian Armed forces?....Idiot!!!!

Serbia was responsible for the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, if she had not been so brutally controlling every former Yugoslav citizen would be in the EU today.
(The Count of Kosova, 2 October 2017 20:03)

rightttt thats why all the albanians that emigrated to the west did so from kosovo, montenegro or macedonia during Yugoslavia in the 60s, 70s and 80s. ironic how your own family was able to emigrate and travel under the "brutal" serbs yet your albanian brothers in albania were in a stalinist prison NOBODY was allowed to leave EVER! This speaks volumes about you to those who know anything about Albanians...

A big F*** you EU.

It is hard to see the difference between Kosovo and Catalonia WHEN you don`t want to see it.

Kosovo had the Autonomous status (like Catalonia) Kosovo wanted the Republic status (not Independence like Catalonia).
Kosovo held a referendum for Independence (like Catalonia) and no one recognised its result (like Catalonia) except for Albania.


SBut erbia revoked Kosovo Autonomy, sent tanks and put Kosovo under Terror Regime. And that wasn`t enough, when UCK fought back (the main target were always Armed Forces) Serbia called them "terrorists" and under the "fighting terrorism" went for total ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.
Nothing like that in Crimea or Catalonia.

And let me remind you, ETA (who killed thousands of civilians) was never used by Madrid as an excuse for ethnic cleansing against Basks. Basks still have broad Autonomy, no tanks, no terror regime, no ethnic cleansing.

Serbs still brag they "won" against UCK (tanks and air forces against AK-47) and never realised that UCK won that war the day Serbia used the Army against civilians.

What about the violation of Serbia's constitution when Albanian civilians were treated as target practice by Serb soldiers and police. 
Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government. 
Maybe if you were as outraged about those violations of the constitution and illegalities, Serbia would not be in the mess it is now.

(Dwight, 2 October 2017 18:54)

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What about the violation of Serbia's constitution when Serbian, Albanian, Roma and a plethora of other people were treated as target practice by KLA soldiers and NATO pilots. Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government. 


Maybe if you were as outraged about those violations of the constitution and illegalities of international law, Serbia and its KiM province would not be in the mess it is now.


@ free - don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that! Go back and read what you wrote....You said that KLA ONLY went after Armed Serbian Forces...However, your "president" felt obligated to slaughter a BABY!!!!
I would be ok with all if you Albs would acknowledge that atrocities were commited on BOTH sides, but you always seem to "forget" about what your "brothers" in the KLA did....THAT is why it's so hard to deal with you...you seem to think only "your" peoples deaths were worthy of remembering, not anybody elses! Point the finger at yourself every once in awhile...you might learn something!

1. Catalonia's autonomy has not been withdrawn.

2. Spanish militias and militaries aren't active in Catalonia with large casualties.

Two big differences. Of course to the Serbian brain this can be difficult to comprehend, as they prefer to be eternally butthurt rather than try to understand the real world.

Its true, they cant be compared. Theres no Catalan ethnicity. Catalonia is just a cultural group of spain not an thnicity or minority.

Catalonia was never a province with full rights like kosovo, didnt go through a genocide and didnt have a UN protectorate with a resolution that does not prohibit independence. Their constituion does.

Noo!! Kosovo and Catalonia are not the same thing!
Why Serbs jump to be on Spain side?
Didn't allow them Montenegro being independent? Montenegro and Catalonia are the same.
Montenegro open the Pandora box watcher, not Kosovo! Kosovo is exactly like Cyprus!
I will wait to vomit after seeing Lavrov!
Seriously but aren't you ashamed?
If Montenegro with 600 000 inhabitants has the right to be independent- Catalonia can not!

"Under the Spanish Constitution, yesterday's vote in Catalonia was not legal," the European Commission said in a statement on Monday

Well according to lunatics like Lenny and Joni, the European Commission is just as wicked and evil as those dastardly Serbs. Juncker must be working for MUP :)

...plus, Spain is a infinitely more important than Serbia...hence its sensitivities are taken more into account, Serbia's are politely ignored

So you wanna know why the Serbs are so pro Russia and will be forever and ever amen hallelujah? smack in the middle of yo Europe.?

Well b. THAT'S WHY.

Two remarks: the EU is definitely discredited after Katalunja's referendum. Mogerini hid an entire day and Juncker also hid the whole day after Mogerini's skirt! Juncker's declaration is an imitation of russian ministry of foreign affairs declaration, these people do not know how to elaborate on everything important if Lavrov doesnt come up first and paves the way..Remark nr.2 If we want to be honest, Kosovo's case is more comparable with Kurdistan's case and Kurdistan's referendum. If we can agree on something is that nobody deserves the independence more than the Kurds, let us all recall they were gassed by Sadam, killed by Erdo, massacred by everybody etc. After fighting Isis with our kallashnikovs, courtesy of US, poor kurds voted for their independence. Same tale: US waited for Russia to declare its position and then betrayed the brave kurds once again and didnt dubled Kosova's "success story" in the middle east. Probably because aware of the epic failures in Ukraine and Kosova. No recognition of kurds' referendum.. Final remark: based on the decision of ICJ on Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence, courtesy of Serbia's Vuk Jeremic, the pandora box has been declared opened for everybody and nobody needs to claim any high moral grounds or any specific circumstances in order to declare a referendum on the independence. Self-determination is more important than soveregnity and integrity of national territory, be it Crimea, Donbas, Kosova, Katalunja, Kurdistan, Scotland, the municipality of Tirana, the municipality of Novi Sad, etc etc long list to be updated

Serbia was responsible for the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, if she had not been so brutally controlling every former Yugoslav citizen would be in the EU today.

who cares what the EU says they mean nothing just like america it's over....watch real news people on facebook,sputnik,RT....serbs world wide open your eyes.....and start also having big families again...cant you see what's going on...wake up now....the new world is arriving,...russia,china ,the brics plus...shaghie corp..eurasia....america and EU are dead.......

@ Watcher

No, i never denyed or justified the crimes against Serbs. I said "mainly targets". UCK never engaged on large scale against civilians. Serbs victims are in much smaller numbers than Albanian victims or Serb victims in Bosnia or Croatia.

Find those who killed the Serb civilian and let him rot in prison.

But The Terror Regime in Kosovo started long before UCK even shot a police.
Serbia not only never apologised for the genocide and ethnic cleansing but still make false accuse for "organ harvesting" showing no proves, no witnesses, no victims. That is hypocrisy.

And saying "every side commited atrocities" is a hypocrisy. UCK never committed genocide or ethnic cleansing. If so there wouldn`t be any Serb left South of Ibar.

And there is not a single Albanian hiding from International Courts. Many Serbs still are.

Separationists just keep on making trouble until they provoke nastiness.

In this case the separationists have succeeded in their aim to make trouble.

An Englishman can be proud of England but still be primarily British in identity and loyalty - and so have reason not to like Scottish separationists. The Scots were given a peaceable vote, but really all Brits should have allowed to say whether or not they want to lose part of THEIR country. Scotland is part of UK and so a UK citizen is part of Scotland.

I am sure many in Catalonia are proud to be Spanish, and many throughout Spain feel part of Catalonia. It’s the trouble makers who get on the news and who try to claim the high ground, even when they are pursuing a selfish goal, being divisive and acting illegally.

@ Free - Hey Free...was the baby Harindaj slaughtered in the Serbian Armed forces?....Idiot!!!!
(Watcher, 2 October 2017 16:01)

Oh, so all the massacres you committed before that baby was shot, and the whole genocide you committed after, all happened because Haradinaj killed that baby? I mean not that wanted to do any of that, but Haradinaj made you do that, right?

The violation of Serbia's constitution even without a referendum
(Serb and Proud, 2 October 2017 17:45)

What about the violation of Serbia's constitution when Albanian civilians were treated as target practice by Serb soldiers and police.
Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government.
Maybe if you were as outraged about those violations of the constitution and illegalities, Serbia would not be in the mess it is now.

A big F*** you EU.
(American in Nis, 2 October 2017 21:15)

F $$$ you!
Catalonia is the same as Montenegro!

Nothing in common with Kosovo!

Skenderbeu

KURD = K-URDU = K- ORDA and that's why they are deployed so far from one another and their dialects and happlogroup differ so much. There are plenty of Kurd villages in Uzbekistan , Turkmenistan, Iran, Armenia, Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran ect. They can merely be called one narion and they even belong to different religions. See their happlogroups in 3 countries. Some of them have much in common with the Shqiptars who (like Greeks, Armenians and many others) themselves are a combined paople.


Y-хромосомные гаплогруппы турецких курдов: J2-M172=19,9%, F*-M89=14,3%, R1a1-M17=12,4%, R1-M173=
11,2%, J1-M267=11,2%, P-M45=10%, T-M70=4,8%, E1b1b1a-M78=4%, E1b1b1c-M123=4%, G-M201=2%.

Y-хромосомные гаплогруппы иракских курдов: J2=28,4%, R1b=16,8%, I=16,8%, R1a=11,6%, J1=11,6%, E1b1b=7,4%, G=4,2%, T=3,2%.

Y-хромосомные гаплогруппы иранских курдов: C=4,0%, E=12,0%, G=8,0%, H1=0%, I=4,0%, J=60,0%, L=8,0%, Q=0%, R1a1=0%, R1b=0%, R2a=4,0%, T1=0%.

@ Rote How come that these Kurds have such a strange religion as zoroastrianism? Some of them are muslims. These Yazidis further complicate the whole situation. That area there is such a big mess and only russians can solve some issues there I think. I dont know how can these people live together and I need to admit I never knew there were so many christians in what we call the "arabic world".

For the time being shqiptar prospects for independence seem to be worse than it was last week. But things may change so best if we wait and see the developments without further worsening the relations. Balkans is a powder barrel in this fast degradating world. So all pseudo states here must be ready for compromise I believe.

Interesting also is that words KOSOVO (Cosakovo) and CATALAN (Goth-Alan) both have Russian orygin as well as most of the other toponymals in the two regions.

One more thing is that genetically the Spaniards (Spain Horde) and Barcelons (Bars Alans) have zero difference. De facto they both are Slavs from the same village. But they speacck absolute different languages both artificial and both developed in 17-18 centuries.

The conflict will wake interest for thhe history of 1550-1670 when all old European states were formed. Castiliia (Albanians) of Filippe II , Aragon (Ottomans) of Herzog Alba , the Qtaris (Bogomils) of Radomiir, the Mamelukes of the House of Medici were the last defenders of thhe Great Horde in Europe.

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Sergio, 2 October 2017 15:58)

Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha nice one

SKENDERBEU @ Rote How come that these Kurds have such a strange religion as zoroastrianism? Some of them are muslims. These Yazidis further complicate the whole situation.

OUR TROOPS WERE CALLED HORDES IN EUROPE AND TARTARIAS IN ASIA AND SO WERE THE LANDS THAT THEY CONTROLLED. THOSE WERE SEMI-AUTONOMUS UNITS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT KEEP UP CLOSE CONTACTS WITH YOUR REMOTE CAPITOL.

KURD = K-URDU = K-HORDE = KHAN'S ORDA WERE RRECRUITED IN VARIOUS REGIONS OF THE EMPIRE. AND IT EXPLAINS ALL THE DIFFERENCES IN THEIR DIALECTS, HAPPLOGROUPS AND RELIGION. THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ONE NATION BUT HAVE MANY CULTURAL TIES. MOST ARE SUNNI BUT BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY ITSELF IS A RELIGION OF THE SUN KURDS OF VARIOUS BELIEFS TOOK MANY COMPONENTS FROM US. YAZIDS ARE A SORT OF CHRISTIANS AND THEY TOP THE RUSSIAN MAFIA LAST DECADES.

1. Catalonia's autonomy has not been withdrawn.

2. Spanish militias and militaries aren't active in Catalonia with large casualties.

Two big differences. Of course to the Serbian brain this can be difficult to comprehend, as they prefer to be eternally butthurt rather than try to understand the real world.

Serbia was responsible for the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, if she had not been so brutally controlling every former Yugoslav citizen would be in the EU today.

It is hard to see the difference between Kosovo and Catalonia WHEN you don`t want to see it.

Kosovo had the Autonomous status (like Catalonia) Kosovo wanted the Republic status (not Independence like Catalonia).
Kosovo held a referendum for Independence (like Catalonia) and no one recognised its result (like Catalonia) except for Albania.


SBut erbia revoked Kosovo Autonomy, sent tanks and put Kosovo under Terror Regime. And that wasn`t enough, when UCK fought back (the main target were always Armed Forces) Serbia called them "terrorists" and under the "fighting terrorism" went for total ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.
Nothing like that in Crimea or Catalonia.

And let me remind you, ETA (who killed thousands of civilians) was never used by Madrid as an excuse for ethnic cleansing against Basks. Basks still have broad Autonomy, no tanks, no terror regime, no ethnic cleansing.

Serbs still brag they "won" against UCK (tanks and air forces against AK-47) and never realised that UCK won that war the day Serbia used the Army against civilians.

The violation of Serbia's constitution even without a referendum
(Serb and Proud, 2 October 2017 17:45)

What about the violation of Serbia's constitution when Albanian civilians were treated as target practice by Serb soldiers and police.
Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government.
Maybe if you were as outraged about those violations of the constitution and illegalities, Serbia would not be in the mess it is now.

Its true, they cant be compared. Theres no Catalan ethnicity. Catalonia is just a cultural group of spain not an thnicity or minority.

Catalonia was never a province with full rights like kosovo, didnt go through a genocide and didnt have a UN protectorate with a resolution that does not prohibit independence. Their constituion does.

@ Free - Hey Free...was the baby Harindaj slaughtered in the Serbian Armed forces?....Idiot!!!!
(Watcher, 2 October 2017 16:01)

Oh, so all the massacres you committed before that baby was shot, and the whole genocide you committed after, all happened because Haradinaj killed that baby? I mean not that wanted to do any of that, but Haradinaj made you do that, right?

@ Watcher

No, i never denyed or justified the crimes against Serbs. I said "mainly targets". UCK never engaged on large scale against civilians. Serbs victims are in much smaller numbers than Albanian victims or Serb victims in Bosnia or Croatia.

Find those who killed the Serb civilian and let him rot in prison.

But The Terror Regime in Kosovo started long before UCK even shot a police.
Serbia not only never apologised for the genocide and ethnic cleansing but still make false accuse for "organ harvesting" showing no proves, no witnesses, no victims. That is hypocrisy.

And saying "every side commited atrocities" is a hypocrisy. UCK never committed genocide or ethnic cleansing. If so there wouldn`t be any Serb left South of Ibar.

And there is not a single Albanian hiding from International Courts. Many Serbs still are.

A big F*** you EU.
(American in Nis, 2 October 2017 21:15)

F $$$ you!
Catalonia is the same as Montenegro!

Nothing in common with Kosovo!

"Catalonia was not legal but Kosovo was legal because it was a "special case". I fail to see how Kosovo is more "special" than Catalonia"

Abe

Kosovo is a "special case" because the west has no other way of explaining the theft of Serbian land with a reasonable argument. Kosovo is comming back to bite the EU and america the a.s.

Yes, they are different. Kosovo* is an impoverished hole, ruled by organ traffickers and terrorists. Most of its Albanian population are begging to leave and paying Serbians their life's savings just to get out of the place. Catalonia on the on the other hand has a booming economy and a population that doesn't consist of toothless monkeys.

The real differences are Catalonia is a region with culture and history of its own. They haven't ambushed policaemen day in and out. They haven't run the biggest drug programme on the world.
Kla and drenica gang were terrorist criminals. The Americans said so. Why do they get special treatment? The army ran a counterterrorism campaign, with minimal collateral damage to civilians, and yet Kosovo was recognised by some.
The victims were Serbs, Albanians and other people. See today. these people live in a ghetto.

Its true, they cant be compared. Theres no Catalan ethnicity. Catalonia is just a cultural group of spain not an thnicity or minority.
Catalonia was never a province with full rights like kosovo, didnt go through a genocide and didnt have a UN protectorate with a resolution that does not prohibit independence. Their constituion does.
(People of Kosovo, 2 October 2017 20:58)

total perversion of history as always from the "people of Kosovo";
1. Catalonia had constitutions and and was a principality since the 13th century.
2. A distinctive Catalan culture and language developed since the 9th century
3. Catalonia is a autonomous region of Spain (just like Kosovo is an autonomous region of Serbia since 1974). No Yugoslav or Serb constitution allowed unilateral declarations of independence without the central governments "ok". No nation would allow this.
4. There was NO genocide in Kosovo so stop using a term that is an insult to real victims of genocide; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1530781.stm

just take the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army out of the picture and you have the identical situation as in Kosovo in the 1980's. The only difference here is that the Catalans don't have the CIA support to start shooting police and army personnel as the Kosovo Albaniancs did with Serb police...

Catalonia was not legal but Kosovo was legal because it was a "special case". I fail to see how Kosovo is more "special" than Catalonia.

Skenderbeu

KURD = K-URDU = K- ORDA and that's why they are deployed so far from one another and their dialects and happlogroup differ so much. There are plenty of Kurd villages in Uzbekistan , Turkmenistan, Iran, Armenia, Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran ect. They can merely be called one narion and they even belong to different religions. See their happlogroups in 3 countries. Some of them have much in common with the Shqiptars who (like Greeks, Armenians and many others) themselves are a combined paople.


Y-хромосомные гаплогруппы турецких курдов: J2-M172=19,9%, F*-M89=14,3%, R1a1-M17=12,4%, R1-M173=
11,2%, J1-M267=11,2%, P-M45=10%, T-M70=4,8%, E1b1b1a-M78=4%, E1b1b1c-M123=4%, G-M201=2%.

Y-хромосомные гаплогруппы иракских курдов: J2=28,4%, R1b=16,8%, I=16,8%, R1a=11,6%, J1=11,6%, E1b1b=7,4%, G=4,2%, T=3,2%.

Y-хромосомные гаплогруппы иранских курдов: C=4,0%, E=12,0%, G=8,0%, H1=0%, I=4,0%, J=60,0%, L=8,0%, Q=0%, R1a1=0%, R1b=0%, R2a=4,0%, T1=0%.

It's true, each worm is different in the can of worms but they all came from the same can and it was the EU/US who opened the can. Now the worms are spreading while the media is comparing them to the first worm, named Kosovo.

Some politicians would like to say the Kosovo worm was a special, one-off case but most people know that is not true. NATO and the EU now have a worm problem. Catalonia and Kurdistan. LOL!

...plus, Spain is a infinitely more important than Serbia...hence its sensitivities are taken more into account, Serbia's are politely ignored

The two are not comparable. Catalonia is a developed region that can function on its own if given independence with skilled labor and an educated society. Kosovo is a backwater region populated by narco-terrorists who believe in blood feuds and live off of remittance money from abroad. Catalonia also has an historical identity. Kosovo is a Frankenstein state propped up by American diplomacy. Good thing someone pointed out the difference.

@ free - don't put words in my mouth. I did not say that! Go back and read what you wrote....You said that KLA ONLY went after Armed Serbian Forces...However, your "president" felt obligated to slaughter a BABY!!!!
I would be ok with all if you Albs would acknowledge that atrocities were commited on BOTH sides, but you always seem to "forget" about what your "brothers" in the KLA did....THAT is why it's so hard to deal with you...you seem to think only "your" peoples deaths were worthy of remembering, not anybody elses! Point the finger at yourself every once in awhile...you might learn something!

who cares what the EU says they mean nothing just like america it's over....watch real news people on facebook,sputnik,RT....serbs world wide open your eyes.....and start also having big families again...cant you see what's going on...wake up now....the new world is arriving,...russia,china ,the brics plus...shaghie corp..eurasia....america and EU are dead.......

A big F*** you EU.

"Under the Spanish Constitution, yesterday's vote in Catalonia was not legal," the European Commission said in a statement on Monday

Well according to lunatics like Lenny and Joni, the European Commission is just as wicked and evil as those dastardly Serbs. Juncker must be working for MUP :)

Nazi hypocrites. You reap what you sow. Not only will your member states fall apart, your union will collapse as well. What you deserve!

Noo!! Kosovo and Catalonia are not the same thing!
Why Serbs jump to be on Spain side?
Didn't allow them Montenegro being independent? Montenegro and Catalonia are the same.
Montenegro open the Pandora box watcher, not Kosovo! Kosovo is exactly like Cyprus!
I will wait to vomit after seeing Lavrov!
Seriously but aren't you ashamed?
If Montenegro with 600 000 inhabitants has the right to be independent- Catalonia can not!

Separationists just keep on making trouble until they provoke nastiness.

In this case the separationists have succeeded in their aim to make trouble.

An Englishman can be proud of England but still be primarily British in identity and loyalty - and so have reason not to like Scottish separationists. The Scots were given a peaceable vote, but really all Brits should have allowed to say whether or not they want to lose part of THEIR country. Scotland is part of UK and so a UK citizen is part of Scotland.

I am sure many in Catalonia are proud to be Spanish, and many throughout Spain feel part of Catalonia. It’s the trouble makers who get on the news and who try to claim the high ground, even when they are pursuing a selfish goal, being divisive and acting illegally.

SBut erbia revoked Kosovo Autonomy, sent tanks and put Kosovo under Terror Regime. And that wasn`t enough, when UCK fought back (the main target were always Armed Forces)

@ Free - Hey Free...was the baby Harindaj slaughtered in the Serbian Armed forces?....Idiot!!!!

The door to Pandora's box has been opened in Kosovo, no matter how much people yell "special case" or "it's not the same"...nothing nobody can do about it as Russia & China kick back and enjoy the show...at the expense of Srbs and Albanians.
Spain's move of not recognizing Kosovo now is going to pay for itself many times over.....and so it starts...the hypocritical face of EU goes into defensive mode full steam....lol

Junckner and the EC don't know what they are talking about.

Just because a country is part of the EU doesnt mean that country's separatist can't be compared to Kosovo's separatist and seperation.

It's a matter of sovereignty not whether the country is part of the EU club.

A matter of fact all separatists post Yugoslav war can be compared to the Kosovo desperation.

2. Spanish militias and militaries aren't active in Catalonia with large casualties.
Albanian Boy, 2 October 2017 15:33)
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They don't need to be active as there is no terrorist campaign by the Catalans. The Catalans aren't calling on NATO to bomb Spain either.

From Dwight: "Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government."

Hey Dwight, if you have some information that has not yet been passed along to the Hague, please by all means, share your information with the proper authorities. Otherwise, shut up because your general broad brush statements condemning Serbs is worthless. I don't remember seeing you speak out about the fact that not a single Croat has been brought to justice after nearly 2,000 civilians were killed during Storm. Are you as outraged about those crimes too Dwight?

So you wanna know why the Serbs are so pro Russia and will be forever and ever amen hallelujah? smack in the middle of yo Europe.?

Well b. THAT'S WHY.

Two remarks: the EU is definitely discredited after Katalunja's referendum. Mogerini hid an entire day and Juncker also hid the whole day after Mogerini's skirt! Juncker's declaration is an imitation of russian ministry of foreign affairs declaration, these people do not know how to elaborate on everything important if Lavrov doesnt come up first and paves the way..Remark nr.2 If we want to be honest, Kosovo's case is more comparable with Kurdistan's case and Kurdistan's referendum. If we can agree on something is that nobody deserves the independence more than the Kurds, let us all recall they were gassed by Sadam, killed by Erdo, massacred by everybody etc. After fighting Isis with our kallashnikovs, courtesy of US, poor kurds voted for their independence. Same tale: US waited for Russia to declare its position and then betrayed the brave kurds once again and didnt dubled Kosova's "success story" in the middle east. Probably because aware of the epic failures in Ukraine and Kosova. No recognition of kurds' referendum.. Final remark: based on the decision of ICJ on Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence, courtesy of Serbia's Vuk Jeremic, the pandora box has been declared opened for everybody and nobody needs to claim any high moral grounds or any specific circumstances in order to declare a referendum on the independence. Self-determination is more important than soveregnity and integrity of national territory, be it Crimea, Donbas, Kosova, Katalunja, Kurdistan, Scotland, the municipality of Tirana, the municipality of Novi Sad, etc etc long list to be updated

"the EC "declared" the Catalan independence referendum held the previous day was unconstitutional according to Spanish law" The violation of Serbia's constitution even without a referendum (which would still be illegal unless Serbs gave their consent) is perfectly fine and lawful simply because we re Serbs! Serbs remember this when politicians wanna bring us to the EU!

For the time being shqiptar prospects for independence seem to be worse than it was last week. But things may change so best if we wait and see the developments without further worsening the relations. Balkans is a powder barrel in this fast degradating world. So all pseudo states here must be ready for compromise I believe.

Interesting also is that words KOSOVO (Cosakovo) and CATALAN (Goth-Alan) both have Russian orygin as well as most of the other toponymals in the two regions.

One more thing is that genetically the Spaniards (Spain Horde) and Barcelons (Bars Alans) have zero difference. De facto they both are Slavs from the same village. But they speacck absolute different languages both artificial and both developed in 17-18 centuries.

The conflict will wake interest for thhe history of 1550-1670 when all old European states were formed. Castiliia (Albanians) of Filippe II , Aragon (Ottomans) of Herzog Alba , the Qtaris (Bogomils) of Radomiir, the Mamelukes of the House of Medici were the last defenders of thhe Great Horde in Europe.

ФК «Алания» https://vk.com/pfcalania2016
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=фк%20алания%20владикавказ

FC Barcelona ... https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=fc%20barcelona%20photos

Bars as coat of arms of Nothern Ossetia-Alania ... https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=алания%20владикавказ

Sergio, 2 October 2017 15:58)

Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha nice one

Serbia was responsible for the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, if she had not been so brutally controlling every former Yugoslav citizen would be in the EU today.
(The Count of Kosova, 2 October 2017 20:03)

rightttt thats why all the albanians that emigrated to the west did so from kosovo, montenegro or macedonia during Yugoslavia in the 60s, 70s and 80s. ironic how your own family was able to emigrate and travel under the "brutal" serbs yet your albanian brothers in albania were in a stalinist prison NOBODY was allowed to leave EVER! This speaks volumes about you to those who know anything about Albanians...

@ Rote How come that these Kurds have such a strange religion as zoroastrianism? Some of them are muslims. These Yazidis further complicate the whole situation. That area there is such a big mess and only russians can solve some issues there I think. I dont know how can these people live together and I need to admit I never knew there were so many christians in what we call the "arabic world".

What about the violation of Serbia's constitution when Albanian civilians were treated as target practice by Serb soldiers and police. 
Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government. 
Maybe if you were as outraged about those violations of the constitution and illegalities, Serbia would not be in the mess it is now.

(Dwight, 2 October 2017 18:54)

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What about the violation of Serbia's constitution when Serbian, Albanian, Roma and a plethora of other people were treated as target practice by KLA soldiers and NATO pilots. Many of the people who committed and aided these crimes are free, some are even in government. 


Maybe if you were as outraged about those violations of the constitution and illegalities of international law, Serbia and its KiM province would not be in the mess it is now.


SKENDERBEU @ Rote How come that these Kurds have such a strange religion as zoroastrianism? Some of them are muslims. These Yazidis further complicate the whole situation.

OUR TROOPS WERE CALLED HORDES IN EUROPE AND TARTARIAS IN ASIA AND SO WERE THE LANDS THAT THEY CONTROLLED. THOSE WERE SEMI-AUTONOMUS UNITS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT KEEP UP CLOSE CONTACTS WITH YOUR REMOTE CAPITOL.

KURD = K-URDU = K-HORDE = KHAN'S ORDA WERE RRECRUITED IN VARIOUS REGIONS OF THE EMPIRE. AND IT EXPLAINS ALL THE DIFFERENCES IN THEIR DIALECTS, HAPPLOGROUPS AND RELIGION. THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ONE NATION BUT HAVE MANY CULTURAL TIES. MOST ARE SUNNI BUT BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY ITSELF IS A RELIGION OF THE SUN KURDS OF VARIOUS BELIEFS TOOK MANY COMPONENTS FROM US. YAZIDS ARE A SORT OF CHRISTIANS AND THEY TOP THE RUSSIAN MAFIA LAST DECADES.