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When Albanian and Bosnian Islamic terrorist and Croatian Nazi Ustase terrorize, torture, rob, rape, ethnic cleanse and murder Serbian people in the Balkans well than that is all fine and dandy for the USA, England and Germany !!!

During the 1990's did any one out there see any where on the USA controled world social media news any reports showing the attrocities Croatian Nazi Ustase and Albanian and Bosnian Islamic terrorist were doing to Serbian people in the Balkans ???

So always the same story from the USA, England and Germany - Serbian people get what they deserve !!!

So now the monster grew big and more determined and is spreading like a cancer upon Europe !!!

The EU countries “ ain’t seen nothing yet” as far as Islamic terrorism is concerned.The elites are refusing to face the ugly facts. Every time after an atrocity is committed they start posturing that they are going to do something about Islamic radicals which of course is hollow. Give it a few weeks and we'll be lectured over and over again that terrorism has nothing-- absolutely nothing!!!-- to do with Islam. Indeed to even mention the two in the same sentence is Islamophobic and racist. We in the west are getting millions and millions of more muslim immigrants over the next few decades. Muslim countries have massive overpopulation problems, few economic growth projects and many of them simply cannot physically sustain their fast-growing populations.
The future of Europe is Islam. I don't see a way out of it other than giving far-right parties the leeway to do what they want-- and I don't want that any more than I want Europe to be Islamic. The West, or what is left of it, is seriously screwed up, and I suspect, due to the poor leadership of its elites, we are all going to suffer immensely.

What will the U.S, U.K and Germany say when these Kosovar* Cockroaches start bombing their cities in the name of Allah and for ISIS???
These three countries want them ALL out of their own country because the world hates Albanians. Thwy are a cancerous disease.

Thank god Spain is in NATO. They're safe.

Smart Serb - Dear Serb Brother just a comment regarding the term " Kosovar ". Kosovo is Serbian, the Albanian Islamic terrorist who are occupying our Ancient Serbian Holy Land with the help of USA, England and Germany have nothing to do with Kosovo and therefore we don't call then Kosovar's, the are what they are Albanian Islamic terrorist !

Leonidas - Dear Greek Brother, " The Future of Europe is Islam " ! No problem with Islam in it self, the problem is with Islamic terrorism that Dirty Hilly Billy Clinton and Tony the queer Blair support, fund and arm in the Balkans to murder Eastern Orthodox Christianity ! Think about it, before the 1990's how much Islamic terrorism existed in the world and then especially after March 24, 1999 how much did Islamic terrorism grow in the world ???

The whole world saw what happen on September 11, 2001 in New York how Islamic terrorist pay back Uncle Sam for all the support they get in the Balkans to murder Eastern Orthodox Christianity !!!

Message to any suicidal Islamic terrorist:

The heaven you have been brain washed into believing in does not exist.

Kill yourself and all you achieve for yourself is self-annihilation.

The only good thing about your terrorist attack will be your death.... and we will be glad to be rid of you.

Dragoljub,
Yes you are right.
And you are very wise in your knowledge. It's the power in your writing that hurts these Western sympathizers.
They know you speak nothing but the truth, the issue is they are in a position that they MUST support their protector even if it's the devil in disguise.
The U.K, U.S and Germany have committed the most human atrocities throughout history that they divert the attention to everyone else but their dirty corrupt nations.
Keep up the good work Dragoljub👍

Leonidas

Yes, you state the truth in profound honest depth regarding radical Islam ! Our people suffer from Ottoman occupation for many centuries, you and I both know that ugly monster ! My referance to Islamic terrorism is that it finally worked it's way into the West, Roman Catholic Europe and other parts of the world never before achieved. Your comment most profoundy accurate, only the highest regard for your humble and honest words here on this Serbian news site !!!

"What will the U.S, U.K and Germany say when these Kosovar* Cockroaches start bombing their cities in the name of Allah and for ISIS??? "

You wish! You've been making these sick predictions for decades, but tell me when it was the last time an Albanian bombed Belgrade?
While you and Djurkovic, suck each-others peanut, leave Albanians out of this conversation please.

Message to any suicidal Islamic terrorist:

The heaven you have been brain washed into believing in does not exist.

Kill yourself and all you achieve for yourself is self-annihilation.

The only good thing about your terrorist attack will be your death.... and we will be glad to be rid of you.
(Bob, 18 August 2017 13:53) # Comment

Spoken like a true communist )))
Tito's communist ( no heaven)

Think about it, before the 1990's how much Islamic terrorism existed in the world
It seems to me you ignore that Islam has been attacking and slaughtering the Christian world openly for the last 150 years: 5 million orthodox Christians were systematically slaughtered in the Ottoman Empire during WW1 - that made Hitler's pogrom against the Jews rather amateurish.Now murderous Islam is reappearing via its slaughter of Christians in Nigeria,Central African Republic, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia and Hindus in India.
All of this represents Islam's unreported,but openly declared war on the rest of the world, particularly Christianity.Our media and politicians were too gutless to report this bloodbath, for fearing of being attacked by Muslims at home too.
In order to understand what Islam is all about you must understand their aims.It is the genuine belief held by all Muslims and as followers of Islam they must adhere to what is written in the Koran and that is world domination.Remember what the prophet said to his followers”the world is yours”.
Never has changed, never will change, there is not repeat not any such person as a moderate Muslim, there is no discretion, it is as dictated in the Koran.Their whole life is dedicated to Allah, praying five times a day, there is no life outside their religion and it is not going to change.
As Gladstone said in the UK Parliament “whilst this book the Koran exists, there will never be peace in this world”.

In the first chapters of the elementary school in comunist Albania we've been told that what we today know as Iran Iraq Afganistan and Egypt were home to the first finest mathematicians, astrologists, astronomists, writers, doctors, etc. Persia, Babylonia, Assyria and Syria, Egypt (Misir) all the persian gulf all that area that we today know as Isis' home, was in fact the cradle of civilization.
Obviously,you have no idea what you are talking about: you mix up the ancient civilizations of Persia,Babylonia and Assyria with the Islamic Ottomans and you try to produce an un-historical continuity in terms of Islamic scientific achievements.No serious world historian would ever claim that the Ottomans have any connection with the above ancient peoples, at least in terms of scientific works.
I cant spit on the Ottoman Empire as WE WERE the Ottoman Empire..our part of the great russian-turkish empire..
Skenderbeu please, could you tell where I can go and read about this, as I am awfully intrigued. I will not be reading anything written by an Albanian, though, let me give you warning. The last time I was reading Ottoman Archives in Turkey there was no mentioning of any connections or interactions between the Ottomans and the Russians at least until the first war between them broke out during the Romanov’s era. However, the role of Ottoman Albanians in suppressing the Christian populations of the Balkans is unquestionable.

. majority of the Orthodox population accepted Ottoman rule as preferable to the venetian rule.
They didn’t accept willingly, they either accepted or lost their heads. The economic situation of the majority of Greeks deteriorated heavily during the Ottoman occupation of the country. Heavy burdens of taxation were placed on the Christian peasantry, and many Greeks were reduced to subsistence farming. Greeks, like other Christians, were also made to pay the jizya, or Islamic poll-tax which all non-Muslims in the empire were forced to pay in order to practice their religion.The exception was in the Venetian held Ionian islands, where many Greeks lived in prosperity.It also suffices to say that education of any sort was not allowed under the Ottomans.
. you give muslims a better alternative than praying 5 times a day and go blow themselves like idiots and they will follow.
The first pre-requisite for a better alternative is one’s willingness to integrate with his new surroundings. Unfortunately,all attempts in Western countries to integrate Muslims to create a multicultural society have "utterly failed".This is one of the reasons why so many Jihadists that joined ISIS come from European countries.

Of course russians are in Syria for their national interests but their national interests happen to coincide with the syrian people ones: DEVELOPMENT, SOCIAL COHESION, RECONCILIATION, STRONG DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS
As I have said few times before, whatever one thinks of Putin's internal politics, when it comes to dealing with other countries he acts for and on behalf of Russia whereas with the Western lot of shysters, internally they look after themselves and externally they prefer to look after the world and its dog rather than their indigenous populations. Putin’s reasons for intervening in Syria have little to do with the Syria’s population welfare and more to do with the economic aspects of his intervention(stop the Qatari gas pipeline into Europe) and his strategic one(stopping the US from toppling Assad and subsequently the Mullahs in Iran)and encircling Russia militarily. Assad is a dictator, that's a fact, but there are lots of dictators in the ME and the West never had any problem doing business with any of them. Since before day one of this conflict the West and its "allies" in the Gulf have only ever had one plan for Syria - regime change. The plan was to follow Libya with a bogus R2P no fly zone that would morph into the rebel air force, as in Libya but Russia and China were not to be fooled again.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

Well slap my thighs! Another Muppet blaming Europe for every stupidity that is happening in Serbia. Go and stick your head back where you can't see the sunrise.

Smart Serb

You and your ilk are everything that is wrong in the world bet your mum still ties your laces

What will the U.S, U.K and Germany say when these Kosovar* Cockroaches start bombing their cities
(Smart Serb, 18 August 2017 11:09)

Same thing they said when Serbian* Cockroaches set the US Embassy in Belgrade on fire!

The only difference is that the setting of the US Embassy in Belgrade on fire actually happened, whereas what your wrote is hypothetical!

The Coran is just another translation and adaption of the Bible.
The Koran is not the same as the Bible. Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God! One God has a Son, the other hasn't. One God says, ' Love your neighbour as yourself.' the other says to kill the infidel ,the prophet said the whole world is ours. Of all the names for God in Islam not one of them is Love, whereas the Bible says God is Love. I could go on. If it was the same God, why would one set of his followers be intent on wiping out the other?

Ottomans were obliged to invent their version of the Bible

I am not familiar with conspiracy theories. Have you read any Ottoman history written by the Ottomans themselves to support your claim above?
It is violent as it does not accept any alternative view of the world and the same goes for the Bible.
If Bible didn’t accept any other religion as you claim how do you explain the fact that thousands of Mosques and temples from other religions were allowed to be constructed In Christian countries? Can you name a single church that was allowed to be erected in a Muslim county recently?
The Soviets were the first to understand the danger of the radical Islam in the '80s Afganistan
As the Muslim population in Soviet Central Asia grew a nationalist ideology was developed which didn’t include communism and the Soviets decided to send a message to the nationalist movement by invading Afghanistan. The Soviets intervened out of fear.

It was the Empire, the greatest ever Empire the world has seen

Not true. Neither by size nor by longevity and achievements.

these people once the cradle of the civilization
I don’t follow.What has Islam contributed to civilization? How could a degenerate philosophy like islam come up with any scientific thinking.? Free thinking is forbidden under Islam, and society is ruled by fear and violence: just like what we're seeing now

Yet only Russians are really helping these people. See the titanic work they are doing in Syria

Don’t get carried away. Russians are in Syria for their own specific national interests and not because they’re in love with Assad.

So you don't know nothing about the greek minority in albania,

You’re the first Albanian that concedes there is a Greek minority in Albania.If you haven’t noticed i’ve written extensively in the past about the ancient Greek cities in Albania and the Greeks of Northern Epirus only to be attached by several Albanian posters on the grounds that those people were in fact Albanians on the payroll of the Greek government to identify otherwise.The fact of the matter is many Greeks who lived under a repressive communist regime in S. Albania were forced to change their names and hide their identities (let alone that Albanian authorities, in violation of several treaties (ca 1913-14 etc) considered as Greek minority people only those who lived in certain areas, as designated by the Albanian authorities,and left out big chunks of minority Greeks by descent.It’s also fair to say that the impression that i got from Greeks during my visit to Albania ten years ago is that a large number of Greeks had emigrated to Greece due to poverty in Albania.

but you know for sure that Asad is a dictator?
A strongman like Assad compared to Western style of governance then he can be describedas a dictator. Brutal tyrant? No. He has a very high approval in his country; this would not happen if he was slaughtering hundreds of innocent people and throwing them in ditches. Furthermore, he had the balls to resist all Western and |Middle-Eastern aggression.

I insist again that in order to understand the middle east dynamics and the reason behind the recent surge of radical islam we need to read this article penned by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. @ Leonidas @ Dragoljub Read it very carefully, possibly analyzing any sentence. September 1957 Eisenhower advised Cia "we should do everything possible to stress the 'holy war' aspect"...If anyone has ever read a more exhaustive and unbiased analyses on this topic can also post it here. http://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/

@Leonidas The Coran is just another translation and adaption of the Bible..Ottomans were obliged to invent their version of the Bible after the forced recession from the remaining slavic part of the empire..It is violent as it does not accept any alternative view of the world and the same goes for the Bible. Both exclude each other, both promise to the faithful that the world is theirs and both can be interpreted as referring to this world or to the other one after death. The Sovietics were the first to understand the danger of the radical Islam in the '80s Afganistan and intervened ahead of time. But the surge of the radical Islam perfectly suited the Americans' geopolitical plots thats why Americans sided, trained, activly supported Osama Bin Laden & Co. Sovietics withdrew and the radical Islam spread to the whole Middle East and Balkans as well.

As for the Ottomans slaughtering millions of christians, armenians more specifically, it was the Empire, the greatest ever Empire the world has seen and the spade and violence against opposing ethnic groups has always been one the means empires affirm themselves. Not trying to justify anybody here but there cant be a moral interpretation of empires battles and means to achieve their goals. On the other hand, these people, the muslims or the arabs as we like to define them dont really need the dream of the virgins waiting for them in xhehnem, heaven in order to radicalize themselves and embrace terroristic means. These people have seen their countries exploited for centuries from uk and usa, these people once the cradle of the civilization have been forced into ignorance, poverty, endemic poverty and subsequently to a violent radicalization. Yet only Russians are really helping these people. See the titanic work they are doing in Syria to reconcile various tribes and thousands groups of different faith there and to make these societies regain the lost cohesion. Only Russia can succeed and we would just pray they succeed this time. Russians can because for various reasons they better understand the dynamics of these backward societies, plus they have a long tradition of living together with the muslims of the caucasian republics. 16 years of US intervention in afganistan and these incompetent idiots cannot even get to put together and lets arms down those fellow talibans they created, trained and armed 30 years ago.

you have the courage to tell me that ortodox population preferred vatican's rule to the ottoman one?

You talk as an Albanian occupier.Albanians never had it so good under the Ottomans.What about the occupied Greeks? What about those Ottoman massacres of Greeks in Constantiople ,Thessaloniki,Samothrace,Pylos in 1821? What about other Ottoman massacres in Chios and Naousa in 1822? What about those Albanian massacres of Greeks in Peloponnese in 1770 and Preveza in 1998? What about the massacres carried out by your favourite Egyptian/Albanian Ibrahim Pasha in Messolongi? He burned the city to the Ground and around 30000 of surviving women and children were sold to the human bazaars of Alexandria Egypt.
That’s the legacy of the Ottoman empire.

In the first chapters of the elementary school in comunist Albania we've been told that what we today know as Iran Iraq Afganistan and Egypt were home to the first finest mathematicians, astrologists, astronomists, writers, doctors, etc. Persia, Babylonia, Assyria and Syria, Egypt (Misir) all the persian gulf all that area that we today know as Isis' home, was in fact the cradle of civilization. This was repeated in high school and at the university level and I was once able to tell to my professors names and scientific works of those great mathematicians..I still remember their names but I am aware that b92 guys are working on weekends just to let us have these extracurricular chats..so Im trying to be laconic. I dont know what students in the west are told. I guess those who studied political sciences were also focused on the athenian democracy..At the height of the Sulejman the Magnificient the Ottoman Empire was a transcontinental empire which comprised 32 provinces including southeast Eu, parts of central Eu, western Asia, the Caucasus and north africa. So it happened that an albanian Muhammad Ali of Egypt became the founder of modern Egypt, wali of the Ottoman Empire. Fluent in several languages, Mehmet Ali Pasha could only engage in conversation with foreign dignitaries through his translators. Another great albanian Pashko Vasa became the governor of Lebanon..I cant spit on the Ottoman Empire as WE WERE the Ottoman Empire..our part of the great russian-turkish empire..

What about the christians? Well the "majority of the Orthodox population accepted Ottoman rule as preferable to the venetian rule" -Norman Stone "Turkey in the Russian mirror" - Russia War Peace and Diplomacy, p.94 Weidenfeld & Nicolson. We cannot give to the world another Enver Hoxha and we cant ban a religion only because we rightly feel it is a violent one and a degenerate philosophy of life. We cant, simple like that, as freedom of religion is one of the pillars of the western "democracy". Personally Im fine with what the Chinese are doing with their muslims, banning them to put religious muslim names to their children. But China is a country lead by a communist party who can do that because China has a better alternative of development to offer to its muslims. This life is all about alternatives Leonidas, you give muslims a better alternative than praying 5 times a day and go blow themselves like idiots and they will follow.

Of course I like a lot more that huge mosque built recently by Putini in Moscow. So if you want to pray (your degenerated god of hatred) you're free to do it BUT you need to be loyal citizens to a laik state so forget about sharia and political Islam, eat your piece of bread like anybody else and enjoy life! LAIK STATE like that laik state Syria was before, like Afganistan was before Osama Bin Laden..they destroyed these countries. Now Putini can be a thousand different things but Putini has never claimed to be mother Tereza. Of course russians are in Syria for their national interests but their national interests happen to coincide with the syrian people ones: DEVELOPMENT, SOCIAL COHESION, RECONCILIATION, STRONG DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. Do you know syrians are returning back home in thousands any day? Right in the arms of Asad the dictator!! Americans are also for their national interests in ukraine, bosnia and kosova (free independent and with foreign judges) but they have no long-term plan on how to help people in these countries and people are fleeing in millions. Not because they are necessarily evil but mainly because of lack of vision and incompetence. 11500+ tonnes of humanitarian aid delivered to 7 countries incl syria and yemen in 2017, read also the bulletin of the Russian Centre for reconciliation of opposing sides in Syria. Now these people, the westerners are unable to take a city in Iraq and again are unable to fight against some tribes they trained in afganistan but I should trust their chronologists? Why should I? I have no trust in their brain and their flawed logics nor do I have in their democracy.

Mamelukes are back to their Bars Alaana in their Goth Alania .. But they no longer speak Russian, Ossetian and Cherkess.

There has always been a greek minority in albania but dont expect the idiots and various pseudo patriots to elaborate here on this. Under Enver Hoxha as long as the greeks were loyal to his regime they could and actually became ministers of his government. Many of them were successful intelectuals. My generation still remembers Hoxha going to the south and greeting and speaking in greek to the greeks. Of course I dont exclude that others were discriminated. But Hoxha was very careful with the greek minority. Add here the fact that albania became home to several greek comunists who left greece during the "generals' dictature" as we call it. One of them was my family's neighbor and my father's best friend. Will try the brandy.

We can agree on many things you wrote, some make sense. Yet it looks to me that there is something that always escapes to your grasp of the history and of the Ottoman Empire. Of course I didn't claim that there is a connection between the once prosperous Mesapotamia Babylonia and Assyria and the Ottomans at least not based on official academia. Which I dont trust anymore. Something like a detail, something like you lack a teleological interpretation of the history. You dont get involved personally and maybe I identify myself with the muslims of the empire and an agnosticist like me shouldnt do that! Can you explain me why the hell the greek minority in albania gave their votes overwhelmingly to Rama? Cause these are my limits instead, and this is why I cant understand greeks sometimes..

@ Moskovi Other Mamelukes are heading to Ioanina and Misir..Some bet heard them tell each other: Ky-ky moj preferred venetian rule ky-ky!! :) wake up Leonidas!!

Yet it looks to me that there is something that always escapes to your grasp of the history and of the Ottoman Empire.
You’re beating around the bush and you’re not brave enough to tell me that you do not agree with the Turkish version of the Ottoman history which of course is accepted by contemporary academia and which is also supported by the views of Foreign diplomats based in Constantinopole at the time.Lets remind ourselves that the first English ambassador to the Ottoman empire took up his position around 1580 AD.
Of course I didn't claim that there is a connection between the once prosperous Mesapotamia Babylonia and Assyria and the Ottomans at least not based on official academia.
Why did you throw these civilizations into the discussion then?
Which I dont trust anymore.
Whish interpretation do you trust then?
Something something like you lack a teleological interpretation of the history.
We’re talking about the Ottomans here and not having a philosophical argument on God.
Can you explain me why the hell the greek minority in albania gave their votes overwhelmingly to Rama?
I don’t know.It’s probably because he wears snickers!

wake up Leonidas!!
(Skenderbeu 1444, 21 August 2017 18:31)

Conspiracy theories and their proponents often get maligned as crackpots, weirdos, outsiders, nut jobs.They get maligned because they provide poor to non-existent evidence of their claims and when given proof that clearly demonstrates that they are wrong, they refuse to accept it.As I've said before I've never claimed that world history has been written accurately for various reasons.Literacy levels in ancient and medieval times were nearly non-existent and therefore various events were written by the elites of those societies.However,illiteracy is not equal to conspiracy theories.
At least i was brave enough to visit Turkey few times and hear it from the horse's mouth.Are you brave enough to do the same?
BTW The Ottoman archives are dated back to the 9th century.They're written in Ottoman Turkish but there're also English translations.

So you don't know nothing about the greek minority in albania, which is a diplomatic way to say that you don't give a sh. about them, but you know for sure that Asad is a dictator? So me and the poor desperate people of albania, greeks, bulgarians and albanians who live here can go f. themselves for other four 4 long years and you find the right moment to jerk me saying that you dont know anything but maybe they voted him for the sneakers? You remind me of J. a friend of mine here. I for real start questioning the balcanic diaspora mental imtegrity now. So apparently brilliant expats who are able to analize any international event in perfect and very elaborated english, do not know nothing but know that Litvinienko was killed by Putini and that it is a fact that Asad is a dictator!! Sic!! Sic and again sic!!

I dont know, its probably because he wears sneakers!! Was it also because pope's crussaders wore sneakers that you have the courage to tell me that ortodox population preferred vatican's rule to the ottoman one? Because this is the greatest bs I've ever read here from you! Now since I read a lot many of the new albanian researchers (muslims) who are studying the ottoman archives, I know for sure that our ortodoxes including greeks have always seeked help to ottomans and Catherine the Great to defend themselves from the venetians and the vatican. And THIS IS A FACT!! Italian mafiozi have always tried to convert them and THIS IS A FACT!! WE THE TURKS MILET HAVE AND WILL ALWAYS BE THEIR ONLY GUARANTEE AND DEFENDORS!! Put this into your thick hellenic head!!

Now why should I visit Turkey when I already live in a kind of Turkmenistan? Besides we normally visit Turkey when we are about to die and not because we want to see for the last time the Blue Mosque but because Turkey has really decent private hospitals at affordable prices. I like turks and will never ever spit on our common legacy and the Empire is our common legacy. But I know that today's turks know less than I know about the Empire. So I dont have great expectations from those who are studying the ottoman archives although I support them and you as a researcher and reader of the ottoman archives. I trust my own interpretation which tends to be a teleological one. Was it Aristotle who claimed that an acorn's intrinsic telos is to become a fully grown oak tree? Now I want some metaxa ouzo!!

But I know that today's turks know less than I know about the Empire.
Really? That’s not the impression i go from the various discussions i had with Turks.It’s true tough that since the emergence of the islamist Erdodan and his Islamization drive there’s been an increased nterest amongst young Turks in researching their past.Lets not forget the study of the Ottoman history and its religious character is compulsory and starts in Turkish primary schools.
So I dont have great expectations from those who are studying the ottoman archives
They’re written by the Ottoman themselves and not by some fiction pseudo-historians.
Now I want some metaxa ouzo!!
Try the Brandy!

Have you ever had the curiosity to even see the faces of these "pseudo hystorians"? No you havent as being humble is not part of our cultures, not the greek one not the albanian one. As long as these RESEARCHERS can provide anwers to my many questions never answered by the incompetent storytellers of official academia, I will go on admiring their huge knowledge. Simple like that. Lets not end up like those old ladies wearing black in our countries who badmouth the whole neighborhood. For any cruel muslim albanian who fought with the ottoman empire, there are other 10 albanians who fought with greeks and were equally cruel with the albanian muslims, the turks of empire.

When Albanian and Bosnian Islamic terrorist and Croatian Nazi Ustase terrorize, torture, rob, rape, ethnic cleanse and murder Serbian people in the Balkans well than that is all fine and dandy for the USA, England and Germany !!!

During the 1990's did any one out there see any where on the USA controled world social media news any reports showing the attrocities Croatian Nazi Ustase and Albanian and Bosnian Islamic terrorist were doing to Serbian people in the Balkans ???

So always the same story from the USA, England and Germany - Serbian people get what they deserve !!!

So now the monster grew big and more determined and is spreading like a cancer upon Europe !!!

Smart Serb - Dear Serb Brother just a comment regarding the term " Kosovar ". Kosovo is Serbian, the Albanian Islamic terrorist who are occupying our Ancient Serbian Holy Land with the help of USA, England and Germany have nothing to do with Kosovo and therefore we don't call then Kosovar's, the are what they are Albanian Islamic terrorist !

Leonidas - Dear Greek Brother, " The Future of Europe is Islam " ! No problem with Islam in it self, the problem is with Islamic terrorism that Dirty Hilly Billy Clinton and Tony the queer Blair support, fund and arm in the Balkans to murder Eastern Orthodox Christianity ! Think about it, before the 1990's how much Islamic terrorism existed in the world and then especially after March 24, 1999 how much did Islamic terrorism grow in the world ???

The whole world saw what happen on September 11, 2001 in New York how Islamic terrorist pay back Uncle Sam for all the support they get in the Balkans to murder Eastern Orthodox Christianity !!!

Dragoljub,
Yes you are right.
And you are very wise in your knowledge. It's the power in your writing that hurts these Western sympathizers.
They know you speak nothing but the truth, the issue is they are in a position that they MUST support their protector even if it's the devil in disguise.
The U.K, U.S and Germany have committed the most human atrocities throughout history that they divert the attention to everyone else but their dirty corrupt nations.
Keep up the good work Dragoljub👍

Thank god Spain is in NATO. They're safe.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

Well slap my thighs! Another Muppet blaming Europe for every stupidity that is happening in Serbia. Go and stick your head back where you can't see the sunrise.

Smart Serb

You and your ilk are everything that is wrong in the world bet your mum still ties your laces

"What will the U.S, U.K and Germany say when these Kosovar* Cockroaches start bombing their cities in the name of Allah and for ISIS??? "

You wish! You've been making these sick predictions for decades, but tell me when it was the last time an Albanian bombed Belgrade?
While you and Djurkovic, suck each-others peanut, leave Albanians out of this conversation please.

What will the U.S, U.K and Germany say when these Kosovar* Cockroaches start bombing their cities in the name of Allah and for ISIS???
These three countries want them ALL out of their own country because the world hates Albanians. Thwy are a cancerous disease.

Message to any suicidal Islamic terrorist:

The heaven you have been brain washed into believing in does not exist.

Kill yourself and all you achieve for yourself is self-annihilation.

The only good thing about your terrorist attack will be your death.... and we will be glad to be rid of you.

Think about it, before the 1990's how much Islamic terrorism existed in the world
It seems to me you ignore that Islam has been attacking and slaughtering the Christian world openly for the last 150 years: 5 million orthodox Christians were systematically slaughtered in the Ottoman Empire during WW1 - that made Hitler's pogrom against the Jews rather amateurish.Now murderous Islam is reappearing via its slaughter of Christians in Nigeria,Central African Republic, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia and Hindus in India.
All of this represents Islam's unreported,but openly declared war on the rest of the world, particularly Christianity.Our media and politicians were too gutless to report this bloodbath, for fearing of being attacked by Muslims at home too.
In order to understand what Islam is all about you must understand their aims.It is the genuine belief held by all Muslims and as followers of Islam they must adhere to what is written in the Koran and that is world domination.Remember what the prophet said to his followers”the world is yours”.
Never has changed, never will change, there is not repeat not any such person as a moderate Muslim, there is no discretion, it is as dictated in the Koran.Their whole life is dedicated to Allah, praying five times a day, there is no life outside their religion and it is not going to change.
As Gladstone said in the UK Parliament “whilst this book the Koran exists, there will never be peace in this world”.

Leonidas

Yes, you state the truth in profound honest depth regarding radical Islam ! Our people suffer from Ottoman occupation for many centuries, you and I both know that ugly monster ! My referance to Islamic terrorism is that it finally worked it's way into the West, Roman Catholic Europe and other parts of the world never before achieved. Your comment most profoundy accurate, only the highest regard for your humble and honest words here on this Serbian news site !!!

The EU countries “ ain’t seen nothing yet” as far as Islamic terrorism is concerned.The elites are refusing to face the ugly facts. Every time after an atrocity is committed they start posturing that they are going to do something about Islamic radicals which of course is hollow. Give it a few weeks and we'll be lectured over and over again that terrorism has nothing-- absolutely nothing!!!-- to do with Islam. Indeed to even mention the two in the same sentence is Islamophobic and racist. We in the west are getting millions and millions of more muslim immigrants over the next few decades. Muslim countries have massive overpopulation problems, few economic growth projects and many of them simply cannot physically sustain their fast-growing populations.
The future of Europe is Islam. I don't see a way out of it other than giving far-right parties the leeway to do what they want-- and I don't want that any more than I want Europe to be Islamic. The West, or what is left of it, is seriously screwed up, and I suspect, due to the poor leadership of its elites, we are all going to suffer immensely.

Message to any suicidal Islamic terrorist:

The heaven you have been brain washed into believing in does not exist.

Kill yourself and all you achieve for yourself is self-annihilation.

The only good thing about your terrorist attack will be your death.... and we will be glad to be rid of you.
(Bob, 18 August 2017 13:53) # Comment

Spoken like a true communist )))
Tito's communist ( no heaven)

What will the U.S, U.K and Germany say when these Kosovar* Cockroaches start bombing their cities
(Smart Serb, 18 August 2017 11:09)

Same thing they said when Serbian* Cockroaches set the US Embassy in Belgrade on fire!

The only difference is that the setting of the US Embassy in Belgrade on fire actually happened, whereas what your wrote is hypothetical!

@Leonidas The Coran is just another translation and adaption of the Bible..Ottomans were obliged to invent their version of the Bible after the forced recession from the remaining slavic part of the empire..It is violent as it does not accept any alternative view of the world and the same goes for the Bible. Both exclude each other, both promise to the faithful that the world is theirs and both can be interpreted as referring to this world or to the other one after death. The Sovietics were the first to understand the danger of the radical Islam in the '80s Afganistan and intervened ahead of time. But the surge of the radical Islam perfectly suited the Americans' geopolitical plots thats why Americans sided, trained, activly supported Osama Bin Laden & Co. Sovietics withdrew and the radical Islam spread to the whole Middle East and Balkans as well.

As for the Ottomans slaughtering millions of christians, armenians more specifically, it was the Empire, the greatest ever Empire the world has seen and the spade and violence against opposing ethnic groups has always been one the means empires affirm themselves. Not trying to justify anybody here but there cant be a moral interpretation of empires battles and means to achieve their goals. On the other hand, these people, the muslims or the arabs as we like to define them dont really need the dream of the virgins waiting for them in xhehnem, heaven in order to radicalize themselves and embrace terroristic means. These people have seen their countries exploited for centuries from uk and usa, these people once the cradle of the civilization have been forced into ignorance, poverty, endemic poverty and subsequently to a violent radicalization. Yet only Russians are really helping these people. See the titanic work they are doing in Syria to reconcile various tribes and thousands groups of different faith there and to make these societies regain the lost cohesion. Only Russia can succeed and we would just pray they succeed this time. Russians can because for various reasons they better understand the dynamics of these backward societies, plus they have a long tradition of living together with the muslims of the caucasian republics. 16 years of US intervention in afganistan and these incompetent idiots cannot even get to put together and lets arms down those fellow talibans they created, trained and armed 30 years ago.

The Coran is just another translation and adaption of the Bible.
The Koran is not the same as the Bible. Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God! One God has a Son, the other hasn't. One God says, ' Love your neighbour as yourself.' the other says to kill the infidel ,the prophet said the whole world is ours. Of all the names for God in Islam not one of them is Love, whereas the Bible says God is Love. I could go on. If it was the same God, why would one set of his followers be intent on wiping out the other?

Ottomans were obliged to invent their version of the Bible

I am not familiar with conspiracy theories. Have you read any Ottoman history written by the Ottomans themselves to support your claim above?
It is violent as it does not accept any alternative view of the world and the same goes for the Bible.
If Bible didn’t accept any other religion as you claim how do you explain the fact that thousands of Mosques and temples from other religions were allowed to be constructed In Christian countries? Can you name a single church that was allowed to be erected in a Muslim county recently?
The Soviets were the first to understand the danger of the radical Islam in the '80s Afganistan
As the Muslim population in Soviet Central Asia grew a nationalist ideology was developed which didn’t include communism and the Soviets decided to send a message to the nationalist movement by invading Afghanistan. The Soviets intervened out of fear.

It was the Empire, the greatest ever Empire the world has seen

Not true. Neither by size nor by longevity and achievements.

these people once the cradle of the civilization
I don’t follow.What has Islam contributed to civilization? How could a degenerate philosophy like islam come up with any scientific thinking.? Free thinking is forbidden under Islam, and society is ruled by fear and violence: just like what we're seeing now

Yet only Russians are really helping these people. See the titanic work they are doing in Syria

Don’t get carried away. Russians are in Syria for their own specific national interests and not because they’re in love with Assad.

I insist again that in order to understand the middle east dynamics and the reason behind the recent surge of radical islam we need to read this article penned by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. @ Leonidas @ Dragoljub Read it very carefully, possibly analyzing any sentence. September 1957 Eisenhower advised Cia "we should do everything possible to stress the 'holy war' aspect"...If anyone has ever read a more exhaustive and unbiased analyses on this topic can also post it here. http://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/

In the first chapters of the elementary school in comunist Albania we've been told that what we today know as Iran Iraq Afganistan and Egypt were home to the first finest mathematicians, astrologists, astronomists, writers, doctors, etc. Persia, Babylonia, Assyria and Syria, Egypt (Misir) all the persian gulf all that area that we today know as Isis' home, was in fact the cradle of civilization. This was repeated in high school and at the university level and I was once able to tell to my professors names and scientific works of those great mathematicians..I still remember their names but I am aware that b92 guys are working on weekends just to let us have these extracurricular chats..so Im trying to be laconic. I dont know what students in the west are told. I guess those who studied political sciences were also focused on the athenian democracy..At the height of the Sulejman the Magnificient the Ottoman Empire was a transcontinental empire which comprised 32 provinces including southeast Eu, parts of central Eu, western Asia, the Caucasus and north africa. So it happened that an albanian Muhammad Ali of Egypt became the founder of modern Egypt, wali of the Ottoman Empire. Fluent in several languages, Mehmet Ali Pasha could only engage in conversation with foreign dignitaries through his translators. Another great albanian Pashko Vasa became the governor of Lebanon..I cant spit on the Ottoman Empire as WE WERE the Ottoman Empire..our part of the great russian-turkish empire..

What about the christians? Well the "majority of the Orthodox population accepted Ottoman rule as preferable to the venetian rule" -Norman Stone "Turkey in the Russian mirror" - Russia War Peace and Diplomacy, p.94 Weidenfeld & Nicolson. We cannot give to the world another Enver Hoxha and we cant ban a religion only because we rightly feel it is a violent one and a degenerate philosophy of life. We cant, simple like that, as freedom of religion is one of the pillars of the western "democracy". Personally Im fine with what the Chinese are doing with their muslims, banning them to put religious muslim names to their children. But China is a country lead by a communist party who can do that because China has a better alternative of development to offer to its muslims. This life is all about alternatives Leonidas, you give muslims a better alternative than praying 5 times a day and go blow themselves like idiots and they will follow.

Of course I like a lot more that huge mosque built recently by Putini in Moscow. So if you want to pray (your degenerated god of hatred) you're free to do it BUT you need to be loyal citizens to a laik state so forget about sharia and political Islam, eat your piece of bread like anybody else and enjoy life! LAIK STATE like that laik state Syria was before, like Afganistan was before Osama Bin Laden..they destroyed these countries. Now Putini can be a thousand different things but Putini has never claimed to be mother Tereza. Of course russians are in Syria for their national interests but their national interests happen to coincide with the syrian people ones: DEVELOPMENT, SOCIAL COHESION, RECONCILIATION, STRONG DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. Do you know syrians are returning back home in thousands any day? Right in the arms of Asad the dictator!! Americans are also for their national interests in ukraine, bosnia and kosova (free independent and with foreign judges) but they have no long-term plan on how to help people in these countries and people are fleeing in millions. Not because they are necessarily evil but mainly because of lack of vision and incompetence. 11500+ tonnes of humanitarian aid delivered to 7 countries incl syria and yemen in 2017, read also the bulletin of the Russian Centre for reconciliation of opposing sides in Syria. Now these people, the westerners are unable to take a city in Iraq and again are unable to fight against some tribes they trained in afganistan but I should trust their chronologists? Why should I? I have no trust in their brain and their flawed logics nor do I have in their democracy.

In the first chapters of the elementary school in comunist Albania we've been told that what we today know as Iran Iraq Afganistan and Egypt were home to the first finest mathematicians, astrologists, astronomists, writers, doctors, etc. Persia, Babylonia, Assyria and Syria, Egypt (Misir) all the persian gulf all that area that we today know as Isis' home, was in fact the cradle of civilization.
Obviously,you have no idea what you are talking about: you mix up the ancient civilizations of Persia,Babylonia and Assyria with the Islamic Ottomans and you try to produce an un-historical continuity in terms of Islamic scientific achievements.No serious world historian would ever claim that the Ottomans have any connection with the above ancient peoples, at least in terms of scientific works.
I cant spit on the Ottoman Empire as WE WERE the Ottoman Empire..our part of the great russian-turkish empire..
Skenderbeu please, could you tell where I can go and read about this, as I am awfully intrigued. I will not be reading anything written by an Albanian, though, let me give you warning. The last time I was reading Ottoman Archives in Turkey there was no mentioning of any connections or interactions between the Ottomans and the Russians at least until the first war between them broke out during the Romanov’s era. However, the role of Ottoman Albanians in suppressing the Christian populations of the Balkans is unquestionable.

. majority of the Orthodox population accepted Ottoman rule as preferable to the venetian rule.
They didn’t accept willingly, they either accepted or lost their heads. The economic situation of the majority of Greeks deteriorated heavily during the Ottoman occupation of the country. Heavy burdens of taxation were placed on the Christian peasantry, and many Greeks were reduced to subsistence farming. Greeks, like other Christians, were also made to pay the jizya, or Islamic poll-tax which all non-Muslims in the empire were forced to pay in order to practice their religion.The exception was in the Venetian held Ionian islands, where many Greeks lived in prosperity.It also suffices to say that education of any sort was not allowed under the Ottomans.
. you give muslims a better alternative than praying 5 times a day and go blow themselves like idiots and they will follow.
The first pre-requisite for a better alternative is one’s willingness to integrate with his new surroundings. Unfortunately,all attempts in Western countries to integrate Muslims to create a multicultural society have "utterly failed".This is one of the reasons why so many Jihadists that joined ISIS come from European countries.

Of course russians are in Syria for their national interests but their national interests happen to coincide with the syrian people ones: DEVELOPMENT, SOCIAL COHESION, RECONCILIATION, STRONG DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS
As I have said few times before, whatever one thinks of Putin's internal politics, when it comes to dealing with other countries he acts for and on behalf of Russia whereas with the Western lot of shysters, internally they look after themselves and externally they prefer to look after the world and its dog rather than their indigenous populations. Putin’s reasons for intervening in Syria have little to do with the Syria’s population welfare and more to do with the economic aspects of his intervention(stop the Qatari gas pipeline into Europe) and his strategic one(stopping the US from toppling Assad and subsequently the Mullahs in Iran)and encircling Russia militarily. Assad is a dictator, that's a fact, but there are lots of dictators in the ME and the West never had any problem doing business with any of them. Since before day one of this conflict the West and its "allies" in the Gulf have only ever had one plan for Syria - regime change. The plan was to follow Libya with a bogus R2P no fly zone that would morph into the rebel air force, as in Libya but Russia and China were not to be fooled again.

We can agree on many things you wrote, some make sense. Yet it looks to me that there is something that always escapes to your grasp of the history and of the Ottoman Empire. Of course I didn't claim that there is a connection between the once prosperous Mesapotamia Babylonia and Assyria and the Ottomans at least not based on official academia. Which I dont trust anymore. Something like a detail, something like you lack a teleological interpretation of the history. You dont get involved personally and maybe I identify myself with the muslims of the empire and an agnosticist like me shouldnt do that! Can you explain me why the hell the greek minority in albania gave their votes overwhelmingly to Rama? Cause these are my limits instead, and this is why I cant understand greeks sometimes..

Mamelukes are back to their Bars Alaana in their Goth Alania .. But they no longer speak Russian, Ossetian and Cherkess.

@ Moskovi Other Mamelukes are heading to Ioanina and Misir..Some bet heard them tell each other: Ky-ky moj preferred venetian rule ky-ky!! :) wake up Leonidas!!

Yet it looks to me that there is something that always escapes to your grasp of the history and of the Ottoman Empire.
You’re beating around the bush and you’re not brave enough to tell me that you do not agree with the Turkish version of the Ottoman history which of course is accepted by contemporary academia and which is also supported by the views of Foreign diplomats based in Constantinopole at the time.Lets remind ourselves that the first English ambassador to the Ottoman empire took up his position around 1580 AD.
Of course I didn't claim that there is a connection between the once prosperous Mesapotamia Babylonia and Assyria and the Ottomans at least not based on official academia.
Why did you throw these civilizations into the discussion then?
Which I dont trust anymore.
Whish interpretation do you trust then?
Something something like you lack a teleological interpretation of the history.
We’re talking about the Ottomans here and not having a philosophical argument on God.
Can you explain me why the hell the greek minority in albania gave their votes overwhelmingly to Rama?
I don’t know.It’s probably because he wears snickers!

wake up Leonidas!!
(Skenderbeu 1444, 21 August 2017 18:31)

Conspiracy theories and their proponents often get maligned as crackpots, weirdos, outsiders, nut jobs.They get maligned because they provide poor to non-existent evidence of their claims and when given proof that clearly demonstrates that they are wrong, they refuse to accept it.As I've said before I've never claimed that world history has been written accurately for various reasons.Literacy levels in ancient and medieval times were nearly non-existent and therefore various events were written by the elites of those societies.However,illiteracy is not equal to conspiracy theories.
At least i was brave enough to visit Turkey few times and hear it from the horse's mouth.Are you brave enough to do the same?
BTW The Ottoman archives are dated back to the 9th century.They're written in Ottoman Turkish but there're also English translations.

So you don't know nothing about the greek minority in albania, which is a diplomatic way to say that you don't give a sh. about them, but you know for sure that Asad is a dictator? So me and the poor desperate people of albania, greeks, bulgarians and albanians who live here can go f. themselves for other four 4 long years and you find the right moment to jerk me saying that you dont know anything but maybe they voted him for the sneakers? You remind me of J. a friend of mine here. I for real start questioning the balcanic diaspora mental imtegrity now. So apparently brilliant expats who are able to analize any international event in perfect and very elaborated english, do not know nothing but know that Litvinienko was killed by Putini and that it is a fact that Asad is a dictator!! Sic!! Sic and again sic!!

I dont know, its probably because he wears sneakers!! Was it also because pope's crussaders wore sneakers that you have the courage to tell me that ortodox population preferred vatican's rule to the ottoman one? Because this is the greatest bs I've ever read here from you! Now since I read a lot many of the new albanian researchers (muslims) who are studying the ottoman archives, I know for sure that our ortodoxes including greeks have always seeked help to ottomans and Catherine the Great to defend themselves from the venetians and the vatican. And THIS IS A FACT!! Italian mafiozi have always tried to convert them and THIS IS A FACT!! WE THE TURKS MILET HAVE AND WILL ALWAYS BE THEIR ONLY GUARANTEE AND DEFENDORS!! Put this into your thick hellenic head!!

Now why should I visit Turkey when I already live in a kind of Turkmenistan? Besides we normally visit Turkey when we are about to die and not because we want to see for the last time the Blue Mosque but because Turkey has really decent private hospitals at affordable prices. I like turks and will never ever spit on our common legacy and the Empire is our common legacy. But I know that today's turks know less than I know about the Empire. So I dont have great expectations from those who are studying the ottoman archives although I support them and you as a researcher and reader of the ottoman archives. I trust my own interpretation which tends to be a teleological one. Was it Aristotle who claimed that an acorn's intrinsic telos is to become a fully grown oak tree? Now I want some metaxa ouzo!!

So you don't know nothing about the greek minority in albania,

You’re the first Albanian that concedes there is a Greek minority in Albania.If you haven’t noticed i’ve written extensively in the past about the ancient Greek cities in Albania and the Greeks of Northern Epirus only to be attached by several Albanian posters on the grounds that those people were in fact Albanians on the payroll of the Greek government to identify otherwise.The fact of the matter is many Greeks who lived under a repressive communist regime in S. Albania were forced to change their names and hide their identities (let alone that Albanian authorities, in violation of several treaties (ca 1913-14 etc) considered as Greek minority people only those who lived in certain areas, as designated by the Albanian authorities,and left out big chunks of minority Greeks by descent.It’s also fair to say that the impression that i got from Greeks during my visit to Albania ten years ago is that a large number of Greeks had emigrated to Greece due to poverty in Albania.

but you know for sure that Asad is a dictator?
A strongman like Assad compared to Western style of governance then he can be describedas a dictator. Brutal tyrant? No. He has a very high approval in his country; this would not happen if he was slaughtering hundreds of innocent people and throwing them in ditches. Furthermore, he had the balls to resist all Western and |Middle-Eastern aggression.

you have the courage to tell me that ortodox population preferred vatican's rule to the ottoman one?

You talk as an Albanian occupier.Albanians never had it so good under the Ottomans.What about the occupied Greeks? What about those Ottoman massacres of Greeks in Constantiople ,Thessaloniki,Samothrace,Pylos in 1821? What about other Ottoman massacres in Chios and Naousa in 1822? What about those Albanian massacres of Greeks in Peloponnese in 1770 and Preveza in 1998? What about the massacres carried out by your favourite Egyptian/Albanian Ibrahim Pasha in Messolongi? He burned the city to the Ground and around 30000 of surviving women and children were sold to the human bazaars of Alexandria Egypt.
That’s the legacy of the Ottoman empire.

But I know that today's turks know less than I know about the Empire.
Really? That’s not the impression i go from the various discussions i had with Turks.It’s true tough that since the emergence of the islamist Erdodan and his Islamization drive there’s been an increased nterest amongst young Turks in researching their past.Lets not forget the study of the Ottoman history and its religious character is compulsory and starts in Turkish primary schools.
So I dont have great expectations from those who are studying the ottoman archives
They’re written by the Ottoman themselves and not by some fiction pseudo-historians.
Now I want some metaxa ouzo!!
Try the Brandy!

Have you ever had the curiosity to even see the faces of these "pseudo hystorians"? No you havent as being humble is not part of our cultures, not the greek one not the albanian one. As long as these RESEARCHERS can provide anwers to my many questions never answered by the incompetent storytellers of official academia, I will go on admiring their huge knowledge. Simple like that. Lets not end up like those old ladies wearing black in our countries who badmouth the whole neighborhood. For any cruel muslim albanian who fought with the ottoman empire, there are other 10 albanians who fought with greeks and were equally cruel with the albanian muslims, the turks of empire.

There has always been a greek minority in albania but dont expect the idiots and various pseudo patriots to elaborate here on this. Under Enver Hoxha as long as the greeks were loyal to his regime they could and actually became ministers of his government. Many of them were successful intelectuals. My generation still remembers Hoxha going to the south and greeting and speaking in greek to the greeks. Of course I dont exclude that others were discriminated. But Hoxha was very careful with the greek minority. Add here the fact that albania became home to several greek comunists who left greece during the "generals' dictature" as we call it. One of them was my family's neighbor and my father's best friend. Will try the brandy.