"Greater Albania" unacceptable to Turkey - Erdogan

Turkey is loudly advocating "Respecting sovereignty and integrity of countries in the Balkans."?????
Then why does Erdogan recognize the illegal, terrorist entity of Kosovo?
Lying hypocrite!

Looks like russian influence is beginning to show effect.

Baba Tayyip changes his tune just as the Americans will do, once the US-power fades in the Balkans too.

I think our dear albanian friends will have to adjust or hit the road towards Albania.

No worries, it's just a matter of time.

Have a nice one, folks!

Well I'll be dipped in dogsh_t. I never thought I would hear myself say HOORRRRRAAAYYY for Erdogan, who for once talks sense.

However, there is a difference between a new country forming from within a previous one by holding a referendum that was deemed legal by the International Court of Justice and trying to piece together a new country from bits of several different countries.
(ned taylor, 21 June 2017 10:43)
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I can see your version of history is completely distorted and full of illusions, much like the Albanians here.

Firstly, there was never a referendum and I don't understand how that could be deemed legal if it never happened. Perhaps you have it confused with Crimea, where a referendum did take place but for some reason was considered illegal by the West. Double standards?

Secondly, Albanians attempted to achieve independence through the terrorist organisation called the KLA, which received assistance from NATO without a UNSC resolution, so that action was illegal. Attacking a sovereign nation based on false claims and then later supporting secession of a certain part is not a good way to move forward, especially after the same was denied to Serbs in Yugoslavia, which was also a country.

What is obvious though is that Western powers, at their strongest and most prosperous, instead of spreading peace and prosperity spread death, destruction and instability. Now the whole world has a problem with terrorists, not just Serbs.

Po who gives a sh*t what Erdogan has to say bre? Albanian lobbyists sit on tables with people in the US daily of whom Erdogan could only dream of sitting with. Albanians have more Power in Washington than Donald Trump himself, let alone the sick man from the Bosporus.

"So sad too bad". On the surface Erdogan's comments could be interpreted as hypocritical. However, there is a difference between a new country forming from within a previous one by holding a referendum that was deemed legal by the International Court of Justice and trying to piece together a new country from bits of several different countries. Your reference to Kosovo as a terrorist entity shows clearly why the people there felt that they had to break away. They were never going to be treated as equals by Serbs who, like you, clearly look down on them. Are there terrorists in Kosovo? Certainly yes but then there are terrorists in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany............

Turkey is loudly advocating "Respecting sovereignty and integrity of countries in the Balkans."?????
Then why does Erdogan recognize the illegal, terrorist entity of Kosovo?
Lying hypocrite!
(So sad, Too bad, 21 June 2017 10:13)

He's talking from now on. Kosovo is a done deal. By the way he's saying this because he knows independence for Kurdistan (Iraq) is coming.

Poor little Turk he still believes himself to be top dog in the region. Gollum thinks Albanians are like his little pets the Bosniaks who jump when he says so. If he's stupid enough to mess with us than the millions of Albanians in Turkey will join the Kurds and destabilise the whole country I can guarantee you that. He needs to be careful, as the west have lost their patience with him and Russia still remembers what little Erdo did to their pilots. He wants to recreate the Ottoman Empire, but instead will end up destroying Turkey.

Albanians are 30% Africans
(sara, 23 June 2017 05:09)

In the bottom part of the body - YES!
I CONFIRM!

However, there is a difference between a new country forming from within a previous one by holding a referendum that was deemed legal by the International Court of Justice
(ned taylor, 21 June 2017 10:43)

Get your facts straight, there was no referendum and it was not legal. Kosovo will always be entrenched in the Serbian constitution until the time comes to take back the founding nation of Serbia, Raska and Gora, Kosovo and Metohija of which part lies in Montenegro as well. Kosovo means the land of the churches, not the land of the Albanians. The same goes for Bosnia and Herzegovina, a state comprised of Serbs and Croats not "Bosniaks. The same goes for "FYROM" a state comprised of Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks not "Macedonians" Leave it to a limey trying to teach Balkan history.

Its obvious the Russian regime has hit Turkey as well. Serbia is Russians way of controlling the Balkans. Serbs came to Europe and should go back to where they came from. Why are Albanians allowing Serbs to control the region through terrorists and ethnic cleansing.

Now the whole world has a problem with terrorists, not just Serbs.
(Zoran, 21 June 2017 13:59) # Comment link

Just look all around yourself and you will see nothing but Serb terrorists!?
You guys are day dreamers, and stop lying to yourself day in day out.

When the Ottomans invaded the Balkans 500 years ago they couldn't beat the Albanians in many battles. For instance the well documented Battle of Albulena. 80'000 Ottomans vs. 8000 Albanians. Result = 30'000 dead Turks. As the Sultan noticed he is losing too many men, he granted Albanians authority and made Ali Pasha become leader of the whole western Ottoman Empire. An Albanian also got appointed as Pasha of Egypt by the Sultan, where under Albanian Command the British got beaten. Read Ismail Kadare's Broken April or The Siege. He is Balkans Nr. 1 Author and has won many international awards such as the Prince of Astoria Prize and the Man Booker Prize, etc. The New York Times and many others compare him to Franz Kafka.

During the Ottoman Empire Muslims had many advantages. So due to bettter career chances and tax reductions many Albanians converted to Islam. So therefor Albanians, who have been Christians for 1500 years, suddenly stopped eating pork for hope for a better life and therefor cant be seen as real converted Muslims, but rather as Crypto Christians. Then at the end of the Ottoman Empire a young intelligent man of Albanian Descent tried to help the Turks created a new Turkey and brought them a western Alphabet and new governing principles. Now the Turks are trying to the same thing again as the Ottomans did and again the Albanians organized a Putsch, but the backwarded and uneducated majority of the population went on the streets to stop the soldiers.

You Serboturks (yellowblackrace)you will always be defeated ,Asian race can never win against us

Erdogan despises us Albanians because we're a threat to his caliphate, 5 million + Albanians live in Turkey with many more in the Turkish diaspora and the majority did not support his reforms. We were never friends with Turkey, it was a relationship of convenience because Greeks, Romanians, Serbs and Bulgarians were united against the both of us. Now that Albania has started building bridges with its neighbors and Turkey has become part of the Russosphere the relationship is practically dead. For centuries the Turk has used us to do his dirty work from Egypt to the Middle East to the Balkans we butchered other ethnicities in the name of the Turks, however now we have the opportunity to pursue our own destiny and makes peace with our neighbors. I for one love the fact that Albanians aren't looking to Turkey but are creating relationships with Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria. Macedonia etc. Because these countries are not only our neighbors but our biggest trading partners and investors. On a side note coming from an Albanian, Greater Albania will never exist because Albanians in Kosovo and those in Albania will never agree on things like leadership, religion, foreign policiy etc. be assured everything will stay as it is because people are tired of war and political games. We all wish for peace and prosperity. To summarise everything, eff Erdogan and his crypto Jewish Saudi financiers.

Not wanting to be an abused minority in Croatia, Bosnia or in it's own territory does not equal greater Serbia. Yugoslavia poured huge resources in to the southern parts but it was so not enough and they complained about discrimination endlessly. It was Albanians continually attacking Serbs throughout the 1980's. Just look up David Binder of the NYT reports in their archives. When the money ran out, then they wanted their ' independence'.

Yes, there was a referendum:
[link]

87% turnout, 99% voted pro-independence, by any standard the people's will came out clear for independence.
(l'Algerie, c'est la France, 21 June 2017 19:31)
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LOL!

What does a referendum in 1991, which only Albania recognised have to do with the 2008 UDI?

My God, talk about scraping the barrel.

Ned, the 1991 referendum was ignored by the world because during that time international law was somewhat respected. It was the Clinton administration that sided against Serbs and that's when problems escalated. He made a complete mess of the Balkans while war could have been avoided in BiH if not for their poor decisions.

The US made its decision for Kosovo independence in the mid 90s and it will never succeed. Serbia's offer for more than autonomy, less than independence was rejected but that's all it will ever get. Now that the West understands that, they can see the only way forward is through negotiations. Their push for independence has failed.

As for your claim about Serbs perceived superiority, I have already answered it. Serbs (in Serbia proper) rarely talk about Albanians but we have a grudge against the West for all the destruction they brought upon this region. Their game of divide and conquer will keep the region split for generations to come.

But what are Erdogan's views on a Greater Turkey? He already has a small slice of Syria.

The ICJ ruled that making a 'declaration' of independence was not illegal. It made no ruling at all on the actual 'act' which is still illegal according to the 1975 Helsinki Final Act which requires both parties to agree and which the West and its allies deliberately violated in recognizing 'Kosovo'.

Remember they all loudly proclaimed it "was not a precedent", which it clearly was and opening the door for Russia to recognise the independence if South Ossetia, Abkhazia & ultimately Crimea. So much fit the west being 'exceptional'!

Turkey is loudly advocating "Respecting sovereignty and integrity of countries in the Balkans."?????
Then why does Erdogan recognize the illegal, terrorist entity of Kosovo?
Lying hypocrite!
(So sad, Too bad, 21 June 2017 10:13)
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My guess would be that since he downed that Russian plane, Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses.

To those who say there was no referendum, my information is that there was one in September 1991 albeit it was the declaration of independence in 2008 that was ruled on by the ICJ, my mistake. I have yet to see any comments suggesting that the Serbs who post on here have any respect at all for their Southern neighbours. Granted the insults work in both directions but the tone of comment about Kosovo Albanians makes it clear that they are not deemed as equal or worthy by many who simply cannot understand why they didn't continue to be subservient to the Greater Serbia project of Milosevic. When you insult people almost continually you cannot then expect them to go along with what you want. The UK will find that out to their cost in these Brexit negotiations. We have been poor and reluctant Europeans since 1973 and will now pay the price for our ceaseless taunting of our partners in Europe and the ridiculous obsession with British exceptionalism. This applies too to the Balkans; there is no one country more suited to lead others but Serbia and to a lesser extent Croatia have failed to understand this.

Zoran: It has everything to do with the UDI. From that point onwards the Kosovo Albanians clearly felt emboldened to push their claims for greater autonomy leading to independence. Serbia had a choice in light of the mood in Kosovo; enter into constructive dialogue or try to crush all opposition to its hegemony. It chose the latter by closing the Assembly, taking over the media, halting Albanian language broadcasts, multiple arrests of local government officials; all this was heading towards conflict which duly came. Credit to Boris Tadic who at least tried to talk to Kosovan politicians but the sense of Serb superiority that was prevalent during this period was inevitably going to lead to a UDI.

May another 5 million Albanians leave for Turkey.

The UK will find that out to their cost in these Brexit negotiations. We have been poor and reluctant Europeans since 1973 and will now pay the price for our ceaseless taunting of our partners in Europe and the ridiculous obsession with British exceptionalism. This applies too to the Balkans; there is no one country more suited to lead others but Serbia and to a lesser extent Croatia have failed to understand this.
(ned taylor, 21 June 2017 21:34)

You will never understand it and don't try to compare the UK to Serbia's "mentality" Kosovo is the founding nation of Serbia unless you believe in alternative history of which our resident poster "ROTE" espouses to. Per Capita, both Russia and Yugoslavia lost more souls in WWI and WWII fighting for the right side of history. UK made a historic decision to leave EU with Brexit, Churchill did the same refusing to join Hitler's Nazi's resulting in the Battle of Britain. Too bad Churchill screwed the Yugoslav monarchy placing Tito in power who was a mole or agent.

My guess would be that since he downed that Russian plane, Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses.
(Peggy, 22 June 2017 04:16)


Peggy,
Even the Russian public have acknowledged that Erdogan farted in Putin's face. However, you some how have twisted that fact to mean Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses. I am amused by your unwillingness to accept the major humiliation suffered by Russia from the ass of Turkey.

Even the Russian public have acknowledged that Erdogan farted in Putin's face. However, you some how have twisted that fact to mean Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses. I am amused by your unwillingness to accept the major humiliation suffered by Russia from the ass of Turkey.
(Moderate Serb, 22 June 2017 12:36)
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Interesting. From what I heard, it was Putin who warned Erdogan about the attempted coup, which ended up failing and it seems all those army people who farted in Putin's face and humiliated Russia are now locked up. I'm sure they have something to laugh about now. Germany is also pulling out of Turkey.

Sherlock, how many countries recognized Crime's referendum.
(J, 22 June 2017 23:14)
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I believe only Russia recognised Crimea's referendum, which is all that is needed as Crimea is now part of Russia and the whole world recognises Russia. Simplz

As for "Kosova"***, looks like it's in a bit of a mess. Russia and China do not recognise it, meaning no UN recognition, meaning has no legitimacy. So after 20 years, it should be obvious its status of more than autonomy, less than independence is as far as it will ever get, until of course, Turkey calls all Turko-Albanians to come back home.

el condor pasa ___ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFYdWDc8W30

Alban Kelmendi

Ottomans (ATAMANS) and Albanians (WHITE HORDE) were synonims. Those were different names of the same Slavs who ruled the world in 14-16 centuries. Ali Pasha was a Mameluke i.e. South Rus. Mameluke is plural from MALIK i.e. ruler of some emirates of the Misr (Kairo) Sultanate.

First nations were formed in western Europe in 17 century. Before that there were no Greeks, Brits or whatsoever. In the Great Porta there were only 4 nations (Milliets) Orthodox, Muslim, Katolik and Ladino. So the first mentionings of the Balkan peoples belong to the 19 century. So were the Shqiptars WHO HAD NEVER BEEN MENTIONED in any written sources before Tanzimat Period.

I AM ALBANIAN BUT NOT YOU. Yet your ancestors most likely were inside our hordes and in this context you too may call yourself Junior Albanians.Turks is an artificial nation formed in 20 century and so is their language written in 1923-32 by two Russian professors. Before 1826 when the Yanissaries (Ивана Царя) troops were massacred by the Caucasians the Ottoman elite was Slavic too.

@Zoran: "Firstly, there was never a referendum"

Yes, there was a referendum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovan_independence_referendum,_1991

87% turnout, 99% voted pro-independence, by any standard the people's will came out clear for independence.

The same goes for "FYROM" a state comprised of Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks not "Macedonians" Leave it to a limey trying to teach Balkan history. (Jugoslavija, 21 June 2017 20:13)

Genetically some peoples ( Greeks, Turks and other Turkic peoples, Germans, Jews, Arabs, Armenians, Georgians ect.) do not exist. Those are composed nations without dominating happlogroups. The only things that unite them are their religion, language and culture.

Turks is an artificial nation formed in 20 century and so is their language written in 1923-32 by two Russian professors.
rote

So if their language was founded in between 1923-1932 then what language did the Turks speak prior?

I thought we were friends looool, never trust a Turk.

Peggy,
Even the Russian public have acknowledged that Erdogan farted in Putin's face. However, you some how have twisted that fact to mean Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses. I am amused by your unwillingness to accept the major humiliation suffered by Russia from the ass of Turkey.
(Moderate Serb, 22 June 2017 12:36)
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That is only an opinion you have. You are definitely entitled to that but to bring it here as a fact is pushing it.
How significant is Turkey in Syria now?

Turks and Albanians both know what's up, there's no illusion about our relationship. My enemy's, enemy is my friend. Nothing more, nothing less. We use each other for political gains whether in the Balkans, Europe or NATO. What Erdogan said is expected, as he profits from small disorganised nations in the Balkans. If a greater Albania was to exist, that would threaten his grip on Kosovo and Macedonia. However with Turkey shifting east, I see the Albanian relationship deteriorating as our ambitions lie in the west. It's been a good 100 years, but now we must part ways. Good luck to the Turks and to the millions of Albanians who live in Turkey, you can always come home because the way things are heading Turkey will be the latest Islamic republic. All the secular reforms implemented by Ataturk will be gone and replaced by Shariah law.

LOL!

What does a referendum in 1991, which only Albania recognised have to do with the 2008 UDI?

My God, talk about scraping the barrel.
(Zoran, 21 June 2017 21:24)

Sherlock, how many countries recognized Crime's referendum.

Also quit the act. You're a really really bad actor. Serbia played it's hand horribly in and after 1991 after the referendum. Instead of procecution, killing children, terror, and war, it should have chosen the "more than autonomy less then Independence" attitude back then in 1991. Instead it didn't; and now you're b!+ch!ing about how unfair the world is to Serbia. If you don't see the connection then you're a Neanderthal and I'm being very offensive to Neanderthals by saying that.

Albanians are 30% Africans

I believe only Russia recognised Crimea's referendum, which is all that is needed
(Zoran, 23 June 2017 10:43)

That's great... So, since Kosovo is recognized by 110+ countries, according to your logic above, that is 110x all that is needed for Kosovo to be independent from Serbia :)
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as Crimea is now part of Russia and the whole world recognises Russia.
(Zoran, 23 June 2017 10:43)

Well, the whole world does not recognise Russia and the majority of the world does not recognise Crimea as part of Russia
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As for "Kosova"***, looks like it's in a bit of a mess. Russia and China do not recognise it, meaning no UN recognition, meaning has no legitimacy
(Zoran, 23 June 2017 10:43)

So, according to your logic above, Serbia as a state has no legitimacy since the Serb state does not have UN recognition!

So if their language was founded in between 1923-1932 then what language did the Turks speak prior?
(cry me a river, 22 June 2017 18:22)

those were SLOVENSKI before 18 century and OSMANI after that

"We advocate respect of sovereignty and integrity of states and this must be understood," Erdogan told Albania's Top Channel broadcaster, and added: Therefore, such games must no longer be played here in Macedonia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, Serbia."

What a load of disingenuous garbage. Neo-Ottoman Erdogan plays these irredentism games with Greece on near daily basis.

1. The Greek hating liar well knows Slavs aren't "ethnic" Macedonians.
2. The Greek hating liar flies weapons of war over Greek territory on a regular basis.

Irredentism is indeed wrong and destabilizing but what war monger Erdogan, (who fancies himself an Ottoman Sultan) really means is irredentism is wrong for everyone... except Turkey.

"So sad too bad". On the surface Erdogan's comments could be interpreted as hypocritical. However, there is a difference between a new country forming from within a previous one by holding a referendum that was deemed legal by the International Court of Justice and trying to piece together a new country from bits of several different countries. Your reference to Kosovo as a terrorist entity shows clearly why the people there felt that they had to break away. They were never going to be treated as equals by Serbs who, like you, clearly look down on them. Are there terrorists in Kosovo? Certainly yes but then there are terrorists in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany............

Turkey is loudly advocating "Respecting sovereignty and integrity of countries in the Balkans."?????
Then why does Erdogan recognize the illegal, terrorist entity of Kosovo?
Lying hypocrite!

Now the whole world has a problem with terrorists, not just Serbs.
(Zoran, 21 June 2017 13:59) # Comment link

Just look all around yourself and you will see nothing but Serb terrorists!?
You guys are day dreamers, and stop lying to yourself day in day out.

Looks like russian influence is beginning to show effect.

Baba Tayyip changes his tune just as the Americans will do, once the US-power fades in the Balkans too.

I think our dear albanian friends will have to adjust or hit the road towards Albania.

No worries, it's just a matter of time.

Have a nice one, folks!

Its obvious the Russian regime has hit Turkey as well. Serbia is Russians way of controlling the Balkans. Serbs came to Europe and should go back to where they came from. Why are Albanians allowing Serbs to control the region through terrorists and ethnic cleansing.

Well I'll be dipped in dogsh_t. I never thought I would hear myself say HOORRRRRAAAYYY for Erdogan, who for once talks sense.

However, there is a difference between a new country forming from within a previous one by holding a referendum that was deemed legal by the International Court of Justice and trying to piece together a new country from bits of several different countries.
(ned taylor, 21 June 2017 10:43)
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I can see your version of history is completely distorted and full of illusions, much like the Albanians here.

Firstly, there was never a referendum and I don't understand how that could be deemed legal if it never happened. Perhaps you have it confused with Crimea, where a referendum did take place but for some reason was considered illegal by the West. Double standards?

Secondly, Albanians attempted to achieve independence through the terrorist organisation called the KLA, which received assistance from NATO without a UNSC resolution, so that action was illegal. Attacking a sovereign nation based on false claims and then later supporting secession of a certain part is not a good way to move forward, especially after the same was denied to Serbs in Yugoslavia, which was also a country.

What is obvious though is that Western powers, at their strongest and most prosperous, instead of spreading peace and prosperity spread death, destruction and instability. Now the whole world has a problem with terrorists, not just Serbs.

However, there is a difference between a new country forming from within a previous one by holding a referendum that was deemed legal by the International Court of Justice
(ned taylor, 21 June 2017 10:43)

Get your facts straight, there was no referendum and it was not legal. Kosovo will always be entrenched in the Serbian constitution until the time comes to take back the founding nation of Serbia, Raska and Gora, Kosovo and Metohija of which part lies in Montenegro as well. Kosovo means the land of the churches, not the land of the Albanians. The same goes for Bosnia and Herzegovina, a state comprised of Serbs and Croats not "Bosniaks. The same goes for "FYROM" a state comprised of Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks not "Macedonians" Leave it to a limey trying to teach Balkan history.

Yes, there was a referendum:
[link]

87% turnout, 99% voted pro-independence, by any standard the people's will came out clear for independence.
(l'Algerie, c'est la France, 21 June 2017 19:31)
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LOL!

What does a referendum in 1991, which only Albania recognised have to do with the 2008 UDI?

My God, talk about scraping the barrel.

Po who gives a sh*t what Erdogan has to say bre? Albanian lobbyists sit on tables with people in the US daily of whom Erdogan could only dream of sitting with. Albanians have more Power in Washington than Donald Trump himself, let alone the sick man from the Bosporus.

The same goes for "FYROM" a state comprised of Serbs, Bulgarians and Greeks not "Macedonians" Leave it to a limey trying to teach Balkan history. (Jugoslavija, 21 June 2017 20:13)

Genetically some peoples ( Greeks, Turks and other Turkic peoples, Germans, Jews, Arabs, Armenians, Georgians ect.) do not exist. Those are composed nations without dominating happlogroups. The only things that unite them are their religion, language and culture.

Ned, the 1991 referendum was ignored by the world because during that time international law was somewhat respected. It was the Clinton administration that sided against Serbs and that's when problems escalated. He made a complete mess of the Balkans while war could have been avoided in BiH if not for their poor decisions.

The US made its decision for Kosovo independence in the mid 90s and it will never succeed. Serbia's offer for more than autonomy, less than independence was rejected but that's all it will ever get. Now that the West understands that, they can see the only way forward is through negotiations. Their push for independence has failed.

As for your claim about Serbs perceived superiority, I have already answered it. Serbs (in Serbia proper) rarely talk about Albanians but we have a grudge against the West for all the destruction they brought upon this region. Their game of divide and conquer will keep the region split for generations to come.

May another 5 million Albanians leave for Turkey.

@Zoran: "Firstly, there was never a referendum"

Yes, there was a referendum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovan_independence_referendum,_1991

87% turnout, 99% voted pro-independence, by any standard the people's will came out clear for independence.

The UK will find that out to their cost in these Brexit negotiations. We have been poor and reluctant Europeans since 1973 and will now pay the price for our ceaseless taunting of our partners in Europe and the ridiculous obsession with British exceptionalism. This applies too to the Balkans; there is no one country more suited to lead others but Serbia and to a lesser extent Croatia have failed to understand this.
(ned taylor, 21 June 2017 21:34)

You will never understand it and don't try to compare the UK to Serbia's "mentality" Kosovo is the founding nation of Serbia unless you believe in alternative history of which our resident poster "ROTE" espouses to. Per Capita, both Russia and Yugoslavia lost more souls in WWI and WWII fighting for the right side of history. UK made a historic decision to leave EU with Brexit, Churchill did the same refusing to join Hitler's Nazi's resulting in the Battle of Britain. Too bad Churchill screwed the Yugoslav monarchy placing Tito in power who was a mole or agent.

Albanians are 30% Africans

Turkey is loudly advocating "Respecting sovereignty and integrity of countries in the Balkans."?????
Then why does Erdogan recognize the illegal, terrorist entity of Kosovo?
Lying hypocrite!
(So sad, Too bad, 21 June 2017 10:13)

He's talking from now on. Kosovo is a done deal. By the way he's saying this because he knows independence for Kurdistan (Iraq) is coming.

You Serboturks (yellowblackrace)you will always be defeated ,Asian race can never win against us

Not wanting to be an abused minority in Croatia, Bosnia or in it's own territory does not equal greater Serbia. Yugoslavia poured huge resources in to the southern parts but it was so not enough and they complained about discrimination endlessly. It was Albanians continually attacking Serbs throughout the 1980's. Just look up David Binder of the NYT reports in their archives. When the money ran out, then they wanted their ' independence'.

Alban Kelmendi

Ottomans (ATAMANS) and Albanians (WHITE HORDE) were synonims. Those were different names of the same Slavs who ruled the world in 14-16 centuries. Ali Pasha was a Mameluke i.e. South Rus. Mameluke is plural from MALIK i.e. ruler of some emirates of the Misr (Kairo) Sultanate.

First nations were formed in western Europe in 17 century. Before that there were no Greeks, Brits or whatsoever. In the Great Porta there were only 4 nations (Milliets) Orthodox, Muslim, Katolik and Ladino. So the first mentionings of the Balkan peoples belong to the 19 century. So were the Shqiptars WHO HAD NEVER BEEN MENTIONED in any written sources before Tanzimat Period.

I AM ALBANIAN BUT NOT YOU. Yet your ancestors most likely were inside our hordes and in this context you too may call yourself Junior Albanians.Turks is an artificial nation formed in 20 century and so is their language written in 1923-32 by two Russian professors. Before 1826 when the Yanissaries (Ивана Царя) troops were massacred by the Caucasians the Ottoman elite was Slavic too.

Zoran: It has everything to do with the UDI. From that point onwards the Kosovo Albanians clearly felt emboldened to push their claims for greater autonomy leading to independence. Serbia had a choice in light of the mood in Kosovo; enter into constructive dialogue or try to crush all opposition to its hegemony. It chose the latter by closing the Assembly, taking over the media, halting Albanian language broadcasts, multiple arrests of local government officials; all this was heading towards conflict which duly came. Credit to Boris Tadic who at least tried to talk to Kosovan politicians but the sense of Serb superiority that was prevalent during this period was inevitably going to lead to a UDI.

Turks is an artificial nation formed in 20 century and so is their language written in 1923-32 by two Russian professors.
rote

So if their language was founded in between 1923-1932 then what language did the Turks speak prior?

el condor pasa ___ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFYdWDc8W30

But what are Erdogan's views on a Greater Turkey? He already has a small slice of Syria.

The ICJ ruled that making a 'declaration' of independence was not illegal. It made no ruling at all on the actual 'act' which is still illegal according to the 1975 Helsinki Final Act which requires both parties to agree and which the West and its allies deliberately violated in recognizing 'Kosovo'.

Remember they all loudly proclaimed it "was not a precedent", which it clearly was and opening the door for Russia to recognise the independence if South Ossetia, Abkhazia & ultimately Crimea. So much fit the west being 'exceptional'!

Erdogan despises us Albanians because we're a threat to his caliphate, 5 million + Albanians live in Turkey with many more in the Turkish diaspora and the majority did not support his reforms. We were never friends with Turkey, it was a relationship of convenience because Greeks, Romanians, Serbs and Bulgarians were united against the both of us. Now that Albania has started building bridges with its neighbors and Turkey has become part of the Russosphere the relationship is practically dead. For centuries the Turk has used us to do his dirty work from Egypt to the Middle East to the Balkans we butchered other ethnicities in the name of the Turks, however now we have the opportunity to pursue our own destiny and makes peace with our neighbors. I for one love the fact that Albanians aren't looking to Turkey but are creating relationships with Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria. Macedonia etc. Because these countries are not only our neighbors but our biggest trading partners and investors. On a side note coming from an Albanian, Greater Albania will never exist because Albanians in Kosovo and those in Albania will never agree on things like leadership, religion, foreign policiy etc. be assured everything will stay as it is because people are tired of war and political games. We all wish for peace and prosperity. To summarise everything, eff Erdogan and his crypto Jewish Saudi financiers.

Poor little Turk he still believes himself to be top dog in the region. Gollum thinks Albanians are like his little pets the Bosniaks who jump when he says so. If he's stupid enough to mess with us than the millions of Albanians in Turkey will join the Kurds and destabilise the whole country I can guarantee you that. He needs to be careful, as the west have lost their patience with him and Russia still remembers what little Erdo did to their pilots. He wants to recreate the Ottoman Empire, but instead will end up destroying Turkey.

Turkey is loudly advocating "Respecting sovereignty and integrity of countries in the Balkans."?????
Then why does Erdogan recognize the illegal, terrorist entity of Kosovo?
Lying hypocrite!
(So sad, Too bad, 21 June 2017 10:13)
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My guess would be that since he downed that Russian plane, Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses.

Even the Russian public have acknowledged that Erdogan farted in Putin's face. However, you some how have twisted that fact to mean Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses. I am amused by your unwillingness to accept the major humiliation suffered by Russia from the ass of Turkey.
(Moderate Serb, 22 June 2017 12:36)
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Interesting. From what I heard, it was Putin who warned Erdogan about the attempted coup, which ended up failing and it seems all those army people who farted in Putin's face and humiliated Russia are now locked up. I'm sure they have something to laugh about now. Germany is also pulling out of Turkey.

So if their language was founded in between 1923-1932 then what language did the Turks speak prior?
(cry me a river, 22 June 2017 18:22)

those were SLOVENSKI before 18 century and OSMANI after that

Albanians are 30% Africans
(sara, 23 June 2017 05:09)

In the bottom part of the body - YES!
I CONFIRM!

To those who say there was no referendum, my information is that there was one in September 1991 albeit it was the declaration of independence in 2008 that was ruled on by the ICJ, my mistake. I have yet to see any comments suggesting that the Serbs who post on here have any respect at all for their Southern neighbours. Granted the insults work in both directions but the tone of comment about Kosovo Albanians makes it clear that they are not deemed as equal or worthy by many who simply cannot understand why they didn't continue to be subservient to the Greater Serbia project of Milosevic. When you insult people almost continually you cannot then expect them to go along with what you want. The UK will find that out to their cost in these Brexit negotiations. We have been poor and reluctant Europeans since 1973 and will now pay the price for our ceaseless taunting of our partners in Europe and the ridiculous obsession with British exceptionalism. This applies too to the Balkans; there is no one country more suited to lead others but Serbia and to a lesser extent Croatia have failed to understand this.

My guess would be that since he downed that Russian plane, Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses.
(Peggy, 22 June 2017 04:16)


Peggy,
Even the Russian public have acknowledged that Erdogan farted in Putin's face. However, you some how have twisted that fact to mean Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses. I am amused by your unwillingness to accept the major humiliation suffered by Russia from the ass of Turkey.

When the Ottomans invaded the Balkans 500 years ago they couldn't beat the Albanians in many battles. For instance the well documented Battle of Albulena. 80'000 Ottomans vs. 8000 Albanians. Result = 30'000 dead Turks. As the Sultan noticed he is losing too many men, he granted Albanians authority and made Ali Pasha become leader of the whole western Ottoman Empire. An Albanian also got appointed as Pasha of Egypt by the Sultan, where under Albanian Command the British got beaten. Read Ismail Kadare's Broken April or The Siege. He is Balkans Nr. 1 Author and has won many international awards such as the Prince of Astoria Prize and the Man Booker Prize, etc. The New York Times and many others compare him to Franz Kafka.

During the Ottoman Empire Muslims had many advantages. So due to bettter career chances and tax reductions many Albanians converted to Islam. So therefor Albanians, who have been Christians for 1500 years, suddenly stopped eating pork for hope for a better life and therefor cant be seen as real converted Muslims, but rather as Crypto Christians. Then at the end of the Ottoman Empire a young intelligent man of Albanian Descent tried to help the Turks created a new Turkey and brought them a western Alphabet and new governing principles. Now the Turks are trying to the same thing again as the Ottomans did and again the Albanians organized a Putsch, but the backwarded and uneducated majority of the population went on the streets to stop the soldiers.

Peggy,
Even the Russian public have acknowledged that Erdogan farted in Putin's face. However, you some how have twisted that fact to mean Putin has "urged" him to reflect and come to his senses. I am amused by your unwillingness to accept the major humiliation suffered by Russia from the ass of Turkey.
(Moderate Serb, 22 June 2017 12:36)
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That is only an opinion you have. You are definitely entitled to that but to bring it here as a fact is pushing it.
How significant is Turkey in Syria now?

Sherlock, how many countries recognized Crime's referendum.
(J, 22 June 2017 23:14)
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I believe only Russia recognised Crimea's referendum, which is all that is needed as Crimea is now part of Russia and the whole world recognises Russia. Simplz

As for "Kosova"***, looks like it's in a bit of a mess. Russia and China do not recognise it, meaning no UN recognition, meaning has no legitimacy. So after 20 years, it should be obvious its status of more than autonomy, less than independence is as far as it will ever get, until of course, Turkey calls all Turko-Albanians to come back home.

I believe only Russia recognised Crimea's referendum, which is all that is needed
(Zoran, 23 June 2017 10:43)

That's great... So, since Kosovo is recognized by 110+ countries, according to your logic above, that is 110x all that is needed for Kosovo to be independent from Serbia :)
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as Crimea is now part of Russia and the whole world recognises Russia.
(Zoran, 23 June 2017 10:43)

Well, the whole world does not recognise Russia and the majority of the world does not recognise Crimea as part of Russia
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As for "Kosova"***, looks like it's in a bit of a mess. Russia and China do not recognise it, meaning no UN recognition, meaning has no legitimacy
(Zoran, 23 June 2017 10:43)

So, according to your logic above, Serbia as a state has no legitimacy since the Serb state does not have UN recognition!

LOL!

What does a referendum in 1991, which only Albania recognised have to do with the 2008 UDI?

My God, talk about scraping the barrel.
(Zoran, 21 June 2017 21:24)

Sherlock, how many countries recognized Crime's referendum.

Also quit the act. You're a really really bad actor. Serbia played it's hand horribly in and after 1991 after the referendum. Instead of procecution, killing children, terror, and war, it should have chosen the "more than autonomy less then Independence" attitude back then in 1991. Instead it didn't; and now you're b!+ch!ing about how unfair the world is to Serbia. If you don't see the connection then you're a Neanderthal and I'm being very offensive to Neanderthals by saying that.

I thought we were friends looool, never trust a Turk.

Turks and Albanians both know what's up, there's no illusion about our relationship. My enemy's, enemy is my friend. Nothing more, nothing less. We use each other for political gains whether in the Balkans, Europe or NATO. What Erdogan said is expected, as he profits from small disorganised nations in the Balkans. If a greater Albania was to exist, that would threaten his grip on Kosovo and Macedonia. However with Turkey shifting east, I see the Albanian relationship deteriorating as our ambitions lie in the west. It's been a good 100 years, but now we must part ways. Good luck to the Turks and to the millions of Albanians who live in Turkey, you can always come home because the way things are heading Turkey will be the latest Islamic republic. All the secular reforms implemented by Ataturk will be gone and replaced by Shariah law.

"We advocate respect of sovereignty and integrity of states and this must be understood," Erdogan told Albania's Top Channel broadcaster, and added: Therefore, such games must no longer be played here in Macedonia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, Serbia."

What a load of disingenuous garbage. Neo-Ottoman Erdogan plays these irredentism games with Greece on near daily basis.

1. The Greek hating liar well knows Slavs aren't "ethnic" Macedonians.
2. The Greek hating liar flies weapons of war over Greek territory on a regular basis.

Irredentism is indeed wrong and destabilizing but what war monger Erdogan, (who fancies himself an Ottoman Sultan) really means is irredentism is wrong for everyone... except Turkey.