"Recognition of Kosovo" - Haradinaj's condition for dialogue
Beta is reporting on Tuesday that candidate for Kosovo PM Ramush Haradinaj says the framework so far of "the talks between Kosovo and Serbia" has been "wrong."
My theory is that ALL rabid Serbs making comments on this topic are really that of one person. Albanian comments on the other hand vary greatly in style. It comforts me that there are not as many Serb idiots as it appears. It is obvious if one observes, carefully, the writing style of all Serb comments, one can see many similarities, too many for it to be a coincidence. I'm surprised no one has yet to comment on this observation. I guess people are too preoccupied with insulting each other.
If Serbia fails to consider its decision on recognition, we will not chase after a dialogue where internal issues of Kosovo are discussed," Haradinaj told Albania's Top Channel TV.
Funny. Pristina never 'chases' after a dialogue, it was imposed by the EU. So if Pristina thinks it's smart to stop the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue he should say his followers this means "good-bye" to further EU access.
As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically.
(Therret Prizreni, 13 June 2017 18:12)
You poor soul. Kosovo-Metohija trades with the rest of Serbia significantly more than it does with Albania! You think closing yourself off from the rest of the country and region is going to help your local economy? That would be catastrophic, no wonder Albanians have left in droves past 5 years.
Why didn't the voters go with Pacoli? He seems to be the most competent person in Pristina. He's campaigned hard for recognition of the fake state and is no friend to Serbia, but he is miles ahead of all his domestic rivals. The voters sadly want more KLA (until they too decide to leave the province).
Finally Albanian got it right. THEY made big mistake talking to Serbia without recognition. If Serbia wants peace they must except Realty. EUROPEAN union was lying to Albanian cheating them with some visa bonus. SERBIA MUST EXCEPT Kosovo independence first then talk later in mutual respect.
We are sick and tired of serbs and that they think they can control us. Albanians voted for Haradinaj becuase he will be tougher against serbian aggression towards Kosova. Forget about "dialouge" and "improvment". Serbia is the enemy of Republic of Kosovo and its citizens, not to mention we dont like you one bit. We want everything serbian gone for good. Hard to understand that? It will be like this for the next thousand years to come. Get lost serboslav
(Mercurio Bua, 13 June 2017 15:33)
Your so sick of serbs that you come on serbian websites? Makes no sense.
"Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Nikola, you have not bee paying attention, the opposite will happen. Serbia is the enemy of the West and a supporter of Russia. Albanians will be soon given the responsibility to administer Serbia for the West. Macedonia is under control, Montenegro is getting there, Serbia will be next, just wait.
Don't worry though, we will treat you better than you treated us. You will soon discover your Illyrian ancestry, you will change your flag to red & black, learn Albanian in school and Haradinaj will be your President too. Zhivelli :)
@Ratko: "You should take a hammer and recognize your head. Do you know how to write a comment without a threat?"
Ratko, where do you see threats in my comment?
Unlike you who can't apparently scribble a comment without turning it personal. Very childish. Yeah, I'll take a hammer and I'll flatten your tail, Ratko before I'll throw you to the Catko.
@LOL,
Yes, Kosova has been very dumb until now to allow free access to its market for Serbian products, while Serbia doesn't even recognize Kosova and continues to play silly games of one-upmanship. Apparently, the voters are fed up with this policy of appeasement and that's why LDK lost and VV doubled it's votes. Expect the next government in Prishtina to pay back Serbia reciprocally for its attitude.
And thank you both for your hypocritical concerns for the Kosovar people, but they are a million times better than being refugees in Bllace, for which you both clamored I'm sure.
Neither bragging nor insulting does prove or improve anything.
The fact is that politicians in both Serbia and Kosovo are horrible. The President of Serbia and probably next PM of Serbia are two Slobo scumbags who should have been disappered from politics long long ago. Just look at the comments on Srpski section.
In Kosovo Haradinaj should have left politics too. He has been Kosovo PM in the past and has done no miracles. While Kurti is a "hardliner". There is no time for "hardliners".
First thing to do: Reach mutual agreement about practical matters to make life easier for Albanians and Serbs.
All these "Army" or "Recognition" things can wait. They are inevitable.
Why should we waste our energies and time on matters that eventually will happen sooner or later?
If Serbia is "bragging" Kosovo failing UNESCO membership, let them brag. Kosovo can apply 1000 times, lose 999 times and will be fine if will win the 1000th time. That would be more than enough. What`s the rush?
Focus on things that matters now. Recognition is not something that will happen in a single day. It`s a process who needs its time.
Both "never recognition" and "recognition now" are irrational and unrealistic and useless braggings and threatenings. It will happen but it won`t now.
Zoran: The difference between the Kosovo version of autonomy without independence and the version offered by Serbia is that Kosovo Albanians will no longer be beholden to Belgrade.
(ned taylor, 13 June 2017 18:38)
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More than autonomy, less than independence was never negotiated so nothing was ever offered by Serbia. What that would have looked like is pure speculation now. However, had it gone ahead, I have no doubt the world would be a better place. The precedent created by the UDI puts Russia ahead of the USA.
As for what most Serbs think of Albanians, in my opinion, having lived in Serbia for a number of years, I can say they don't care. Albanians are rarely discussed in Serbia (proper), probably similar to how the English think of the Irish.
As for the diaspora, Serbs, Albanians, Croatians...it's easy to be nationalistic and cheer from the sidelines.
Sorry to say, but recognition is off the table. This has been made loud and clear to everyone, the EU/US included. No recognition and no going against Russia.
In 2017, 5% of the Russian population saw Serbia as a "close friend and ally." Yet you call them brothers. Stop with the delusions, you will create yet another Balkan conflict if you blindly follow Russia.
Says alot about the albanian people when they worship this bloke as a hero and saviour, your entire history is fake made up of cowards who never fought for anything on your own,which explains you are the only muslim country in Europe.
If Kosova it's a province then why your government it's negotiating with its own province??? Or hwy your government it's asking for zco within your province??? It's yours right???
Give me a good answer without sounding like a sore loser
You should take a hammer and recognize your head. Do you know how to write a comment without a threat?
"As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically."
hahahahah this made laugh. What economy are you talking about? Did you not see the busloads of albanians crossing serbia to flee the paradise? Did you not see the photos and footage? There were families crossing wet grounds bare feet in the cold. There is 50% unemployment there, and the ones who work make peanuts. Some even stand on the street offering themselves for daily work. So I don't know what planet youre from. Where do you work there and what is your wage- you work for some ngo trolling company?
So go ahead and stop the imports what are you waiting for? And then tell albanians to stop waiting in line for serbian passports every day; for elders to stop coming for medical treatment; for women to stop coming for plastic surgeries.
rambo ramus this bandit murderer where did he make his fortune, did he sell pumkin seeds on the street? Oh yeah hes really gonna bring you prosperity just keep on waiting for that. the ordinary albanians should throw him off of a bridge. that whole france incident was all staged to prop him up as the new political candidate.
Serbia better recognize Kosova, if it wants to continue having access to the Kosovar market to sell their low-quality products that are not competitive in the EU or even Russian markets.
(Therret Prizreni, 13 June 2017 18:12)
Wait a sec: who are you insulting? The Serbs who sell what you think are inferior products no one wants to buy, or the Kosovo Albanians who are the only people in Europe dumb enough to buy them? I know Hoxha logic defies all rational reasoning for everyone who didn't come from Europe's North Korea, but how the Hell did you come to this fantastical conclusion? :)
It's not a rare achievement Ned Taylor, others here almost always manage to upset all parties, often with no great results. Sometime we have our small victories. Peggy was put in her place by Rote with two sentences and you just wrote a very good comment.
B92 can you explain why albos whom diss Serbs and Serbia get their crappy comments in while people defending Serbia and calling albos what they are don't get published?
Serbia better recognize Kosova, if it wants to continue having access to the Kosovar market to sell their low-quality products that are not competitive in the EU or even Russian markets.
After all, if Serbia doesn't recognize Kosova, it's only logical that Kosova won't recognize Serbia as well, and with it, any of the existing commercial arrangements.
As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically.
This guy Haradinaj will meet his masters soon and they will brief him on what next, for example, the ZSO looks high on the agenda.
(Zoran, 13 June 2017 14:51)
If he ends up becoming Prime Minister, not only will he suddenly develop an change of heart over ZSO, but he'll use it as a stay-out-of-jail card. It's telling when the war hero/criminals of Kosovo need to form a three-way coalition to cobble together votes to offset the protest vote that makes Vetevendosje stronger every election cycle. Like their Balkan counterparts in the 1990s, these guys campaign as the big defenders of whatever scrap of land they call home, and after they win, settle back into politics as usual. Not only will ZSO go forward because it's part of Kosovo's road to the EU, Haradinaj will want to placate international sponsors in keeping his name off the war crimes list. These "war heroes" many here praise are, and have been, out for themselves since 1999 and are scared of losing their privileged positions to new political voices and movements that, if given power, would disenfranchise all of them, and eventually also be emasculated in rhetoric and bluster once they too realize the only way forward is negotiation with Belgrade.
The following article in Pristina Insight offers an excellent insight into the desperate clinging to power of the KLA remnants that have done nothing for the people of Kosovo.
Zoran: The difference between the Kosovo version of autonomy without independence and the version offered by Serbia is that Kosovo Albanians will no longer be beholden to Belgrade. Serbs look down on K Albanians, something made abundantly clear during the 2008 demonstrations. Why would Kosovans want anything to do with them, they are disliked and viewed as a secondary form of life. Peggy, from whom we no longer seem to hear, once wrote that it wasn't the fault of Serbs that they were surrounded by lesser peoples. Well, these lesser peoples don't want to be part of the Serb realm. Mind you, the joker who said that everything Serb should be expunged from Kosovo is as bad as the Serbs who try to exert their authority over everyone else in the region.
As for Haradinaj and his demand, he is clearly a buffoon. He is not however doing anything much different to the leader of the free world who insists that his country comes, first, second and last.
I see no possibility of Serbia recognising Kosovo and hopefully the EU will make clear to Haradinaj that continued support, both financial and moral, comes at the price of continuing with negotiations without ridiculous pre-conditions.
OK, well I've probably managed to upset all sides in this debate, a rare achievement.
The KLA Terrorist Haridanaj is setting conditions with no army and the worse economy in Europe. Meanwhile, more than 40% of Albanians are out of work
(Jugoslavija, 13 June 2017 16:52)
No army, no political mandate, no visa liberalization, a dwindling population still finding ways out of the region, no job prospects for anyone outside the inner clique, but yes, Haradinaj will make everything better by denying minority rights to a people making less than 8% of the population while issuing demands no one believes he can enforce.
It's still 1997 for people like him.
Might as well have fun if one is surrounded by nihilistic misery.
The KLA Terrorist Haridanaj is setting conditions with no army and the worse economy in Europe. Meanwhile, more than 40% of Albanians are out of work, they must love living in a ****hole.
"...We do not accept to discuss internal issues of Kosovo. If Serbia fails to consider its decision on recognition, we will not chase after a dialogue where internal issues of Kosovo are discussed," Haradinaj told Albania's Top Channel TV.
Someone needs to tell this war mongering moron and his semi literate fanboy squad of village idiots on this page that "internal matters" are what the EU mandates Kosovo discuss with Belgrade. He acts as if he actually has a say in the matter when Thaci has proven for years that he's forced to do what his international sponsors tell him. It would be a pleasure to see the "hero" of the Albanian people sign away more of Kosovo's alleged "sovereignty" in these talks that will happen no matter what demands he makes just before his ugly mug (and man this guy is ugly as sin) is carted off to the KLA War Crimes Tribunal :)
yes I know that Kosovo thinks it's a country... dot dot dot.... but the world does not... dot dot dot...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I'm sure that is case for the world within your head. But in the real world, the majority of the countries think that Kosovo is a country.
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Kosovo can think its a fairy living in a fairy tale, but when reality hits, it is not a fairy, it is a province of Serbia, period...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
Feel free to tell that to Serbia. I'm sure it will make Serbia feel better which is great because, everybody wants to have happy neighbours :)
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Reality check... Kosovo is not a country
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I'm sure that is the case, according to you. But according to 110+ countries, Kosovo is a country. You are more than welcome though to discuss the matter with those 110+ countries and make them follow your reality lol Let us know when you achieve that!
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it leaders are war criminals and terrorists
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I never said that Serbia's leaders are war criminals and terrorits, but if you say so, I guess you know better...
Serbia realistically offered more than autonomy, less than independence. The Albanians reject it but ended up with, guess what?... more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Zoran, 13 June 2017 14:51)
Oh, that's a grest victory for Serbia, like the 1389 and 1999 victories. I hope Serbia's officials read your writing and stop whining every other day lol
He says that according to Kosovo, it is a country... yes I know that Kosovo thinks it's a country... dot dot dot.... but the world does not... dot dot dot...
Kosovo can think its a fairy living in a fairy tale, but when reality hits, it is not a fairy, it is a province of Serbia, period...
Icj1, please give up your worthless attempt of trying to convince any audience of this Kosovo fairy tale, your counter arguments are quite disturbing when we consider your false reality...
Reality check... Kosovo is not a country, it has no army, no independence, it is a protectorate, it begs for recognition, it looses UNESCO bids, It is politically divided as seen by recent elections, it leaders are war criminals and terrorists and its Albanian population have strong links to ISIS... that is the reality of Kosovo...
We are sick and tired of serbs and that they think they can control us. Albanians voted for Haradinaj becuase he will be tougher against serbian aggression towards Kosova. Forget about "dialouge" and "improvment". Serbia is the enemy of Republic of Kosovo and its citizens, not to mention we dont like you one bit. We want everything serbian gone for good. Hard to understand that? It will be like this for the next thousand years to come. Get lost serboslav
You got to be kidding me! We want all serbs gone. Are you braindead or something? Forget it. Albanians dont like you or miss you. We are glad that you are gone. What have you been smoking?
Seems like the Albanians are sick and tired of the same old while nothing is being done to improve their lives.
Serbia realistically offered more than autonomy, less than independence. The Albanians reject it but ended up with, guess what?... more than autonomy, less than independence.
Sorry to say, but recognition is off the table. This has been made loud and clear to everyone, the EU/US included. No recognition and no going against Russia.
This guy Haradinaj will meet his masters soon and they will brief him on what next, for example, the ZSO looks high on the agenda. I think he will be introducing it soon.
Albanians need to get themselves out of the 90s, we are well beyond that.
Haradinaj is obviously not for dialogue. Why recognize illegally and with use of terrorism taken Kosovo from Serbia. Serbs should not be talking to war criminal.
Kosovo can never be a country without Serbian recognition, that much is clear... The EU needs Serbia to recognise Kosovo independence for a precondition to EU membership and for Kosovo to become a country... secondly, the Kosovo Albanians know that they are not a country, they know that they could only become a country if Serbia recognised them...
Haradinaj is unable to be a real prime minister because Kosovo is not a country, he is more like a mayor of a city than a prime minister... Kosovo will unfortunately be locked in a battle between, a battle that Serbia will never give up...
The only outcome... The KLA terrorist government in Kosovo will lose favour with the people and it will be toppled because after decades it has been unable to become a real country and provide for its people, Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration of the province as all hell will break loose when the Kosovo Albanians see that they have been mislead by the terrorists...
Kosovo can never be a country without Serbian recognition, that much is clear...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Feel free to tell that to Serbia - you'll make Serbia very happy lol
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the Kosovo Albanians know that they are not a country, they know that they could only become a country if Serbia recognised them...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
According to Kosovo, they are a country. Apparently Kosovo is not aware of your writings :)
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Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Dear, seriously... You might want to see a psychiatrist. That delusion you wrote above may be a sign of some serious medical condition!
Kosovo can never be a country without Serbian recognition, that much is clear... The EU needs Serbia to recognise Kosovo independence for a precondition to EU membership and for Kosovo to become a country... secondly, the Kosovo Albanians know that they are not a country, they know that they could only become a country if Serbia recognised them...
Haradinaj is unable to be a real prime minister because Kosovo is not a country, he is more like a mayor of a city than a prime minister... Kosovo will unfortunately be locked in a battle between, a battle that Serbia will never give up...
The only outcome... The KLA terrorist government in Kosovo will lose favour with the people and it will be toppled because after decades it has been unable to become a real country and provide for its people, Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration of the province as all hell will break loose when the Kosovo Albanians see that they have been mislead by the terrorists...
He says that according to Kosovo, it is a country... yes I know that Kosovo thinks it's a country... dot dot dot.... but the world does not... dot dot dot...
Kosovo can think its a fairy living in a fairy tale, but when reality hits, it is not a fairy, it is a province of Serbia, period...
Icj1, please give up your worthless attempt of trying to convince any audience of this Kosovo fairy tale, your counter arguments are quite disturbing when we consider your false reality...
Reality check... Kosovo is not a country, it has no army, no independence, it is a protectorate, it begs for recognition, it looses UNESCO bids, It is politically divided as seen by recent elections, it leaders are war criminals and terrorists and its Albanian population have strong links to ISIS... that is the reality of Kosovo...
Haradinaj is obviously not for dialogue. Why recognize illegally and with use of terrorism taken Kosovo from Serbia. Serbs should not be talking to war criminal.
Seems like the Albanians are sick and tired of the same old while nothing is being done to improve their lives.
Serbia realistically offered more than autonomy, less than independence. The Albanians reject it but ended up with, guess what?... more than autonomy, less than independence.
Sorry to say, but recognition is off the table. This has been made loud and clear to everyone, the EU/US included. No recognition and no going against Russia.
This guy Haradinaj will meet his masters soon and they will brief him on what next, for example, the ZSO looks high on the agenda. I think he will be introducing it soon.
Albanians need to get themselves out of the 90s, we are well beyond that.
The KLA Terrorist Haridanaj is setting conditions with no army and the worse economy in Europe. Meanwhile, more than 40% of Albanians are out of work, they must love living in a ****hole.
"...We do not accept to discuss internal issues of Kosovo. If Serbia fails to consider its decision on recognition, we will not chase after a dialogue where internal issues of Kosovo are discussed," Haradinaj told Albania's Top Channel TV.
Someone needs to tell this war mongering moron and his semi literate fanboy squad of village idiots on this page that "internal matters" are what the EU mandates Kosovo discuss with Belgrade. He acts as if he actually has a say in the matter when Thaci has proven for years that he's forced to do what his international sponsors tell him. It would be a pleasure to see the "hero" of the Albanian people sign away more of Kosovo's alleged "sovereignty" in these talks that will happen no matter what demands he makes just before his ugly mug (and man this guy is ugly as sin) is carted off to the KLA War Crimes Tribunal :)
You should take a hammer and recognize your head. Do you know how to write a comment without a threat?
"As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically."
hahahahah this made laugh. What economy are you talking about? Did you not see the busloads of albanians crossing serbia to flee the paradise? Did you not see the photos and footage? There were families crossing wet grounds bare feet in the cold. There is 50% unemployment there, and the ones who work make peanuts. Some even stand on the street offering themselves for daily work. So I don't know what planet youre from. Where do you work there and what is your wage- you work for some ngo trolling company?
So go ahead and stop the imports what are you waiting for? And then tell albanians to stop waiting in line for serbian passports every day; for elders to stop coming for medical treatment; for women to stop coming for plastic surgeries.
rambo ramus this bandit murderer where did he make his fortune, did he sell pumkin seeds on the street? Oh yeah hes really gonna bring you prosperity just keep on waiting for that. the ordinary albanians should throw him off of a bridge. that whole france incident was all staged to prop him up as the new political candidate.
The KLA Terrorist Haridanaj is setting conditions with no army and the worse economy in Europe. Meanwhile, more than 40% of Albanians are out of work
(Jugoslavija, 13 June 2017 16:52)
No army, no political mandate, no visa liberalization, a dwindling population still finding ways out of the region, no job prospects for anyone outside the inner clique, but yes, Haradinaj will make everything better by denying minority rights to a people making less than 8% of the population while issuing demands no one believes he can enforce.
It's still 1997 for people like him.
Might as well have fun if one is surrounded by nihilistic misery.
You got to be kidding me! We want all serbs gone. Are you braindead or something? Forget it. Albanians dont like you or miss you. We are glad that you are gone. What have you been smoking?
Kosovo can never be a country without Serbian recognition, that much is clear...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Feel free to tell that to Serbia - you'll make Serbia very happy lol
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the Kosovo Albanians know that they are not a country, they know that they could only become a country if Serbia recognised them...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
According to Kosovo, they are a country. Apparently Kosovo is not aware of your writings :)
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Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Dear, seriously... You might want to see a psychiatrist. That delusion you wrote above may be a sign of some serious medical condition!
We are sick and tired of serbs and that they think they can control us. Albanians voted for Haradinaj becuase he will be tougher against serbian aggression towards Kosova. Forget about "dialouge" and "improvment". Serbia is the enemy of Republic of Kosovo and its citizens, not to mention we dont like you one bit. We want everything serbian gone for good. Hard to understand that? It will be like this for the next thousand years to come. Get lost serboslav
B92 can you explain why albos whom diss Serbs and Serbia get their crappy comments in while people defending Serbia and calling albos what they are don't get published?
Serbia better recognize Kosova, if it wants to continue having access to the Kosovar market to sell their low-quality products that are not competitive in the EU or even Russian markets.
(Therret Prizreni, 13 June 2017 18:12)
Wait a sec: who are you insulting? The Serbs who sell what you think are inferior products no one wants to buy, or the Kosovo Albanians who are the only people in Europe dumb enough to buy them? I know Hoxha logic defies all rational reasoning for everyone who didn't come from Europe's North Korea, but how the Hell did you come to this fantastical conclusion? :)
"Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Nikola, you have not bee paying attention, the opposite will happen. Serbia is the enemy of the West and a supporter of Russia. Albanians will be soon given the responsibility to administer Serbia for the West. Macedonia is under control, Montenegro is getting there, Serbia will be next, just wait.
Don't worry though, we will treat you better than you treated us. You will soon discover your Illyrian ancestry, you will change your flag to red & black, learn Albanian in school and Haradinaj will be your President too. Zhivelli :)
Finally Albanian got it right. THEY made big mistake talking to Serbia without recognition. If Serbia wants peace they must except Realty. EUROPEAN union was lying to Albanian cheating them with some visa bonus. SERBIA MUST EXCEPT Kosovo independence first then talk later in mutual respect.
Serbia realistically offered more than autonomy, less than independence. The Albanians reject it but ended up with, guess what?... more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Zoran, 13 June 2017 14:51)
Oh, that's a grest victory for Serbia, like the 1389 and 1999 victories. I hope Serbia's officials read your writing and stop whining every other day lol
This guy Haradinaj will meet his masters soon and they will brief him on what next, for example, the ZSO looks high on the agenda.
(Zoran, 13 June 2017 14:51)
If he ends up becoming Prime Minister, not only will he suddenly develop an change of heart over ZSO, but he'll use it as a stay-out-of-jail card. It's telling when the war hero/criminals of Kosovo need to form a three-way coalition to cobble together votes to offset the protest vote that makes Vetevendosje stronger every election cycle. Like their Balkan counterparts in the 1990s, these guys campaign as the big defenders of whatever scrap of land they call home, and after they win, settle back into politics as usual. Not only will ZSO go forward because it's part of Kosovo's road to the EU, Haradinaj will want to placate international sponsors in keeping his name off the war crimes list. These "war heroes" many here praise are, and have been, out for themselves since 1999 and are scared of losing their privileged positions to new political voices and movements that, if given power, would disenfranchise all of them, and eventually also be emasculated in rhetoric and bluster once they too realize the only way forward is negotiation with Belgrade.
The following article in Pristina Insight offers an excellent insight into the desperate clinging to power of the KLA remnants that have done nothing for the people of Kosovo.
We are sick and tired of serbs and that they think they can control us. Albanians voted for Haradinaj becuase he will be tougher against serbian aggression towards Kosova. Forget about "dialouge" and "improvment". Serbia is the enemy of Republic of Kosovo and its citizens, not to mention we dont like you one bit. We want everything serbian gone for good. Hard to understand that? It will be like this for the next thousand years to come. Get lost serboslav
(Mercurio Bua, 13 June 2017 15:33)
Your so sick of serbs that you come on serbian websites? Makes no sense.
yes I know that Kosovo thinks it's a country... dot dot dot.... but the world does not... dot dot dot...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I'm sure that is case for the world within your head. But in the real world, the majority of the countries think that Kosovo is a country.
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Kosovo can think its a fairy living in a fairy tale, but when reality hits, it is not a fairy, it is a province of Serbia, period...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
Feel free to tell that to Serbia. I'm sure it will make Serbia feel better which is great because, everybody wants to have happy neighbours :)
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Reality check... Kosovo is not a country
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I'm sure that is the case, according to you. But according to 110+ countries, Kosovo is a country. You are more than welcome though to discuss the matter with those 110+ countries and make them follow your reality lol Let us know when you achieve that!
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it leaders are war criminals and terrorists
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I never said that Serbia's leaders are war criminals and terrorits, but if you say so, I guess you know better...
Says alot about the albanian people when they worship this bloke as a hero and saviour, your entire history is fake made up of cowards who never fought for anything on your own,which explains you are the only muslim country in Europe.
Zoran: The difference between the Kosovo version of autonomy without independence and the version offered by Serbia is that Kosovo Albanians will no longer be beholden to Belgrade. Serbs look down on K Albanians, something made abundantly clear during the 2008 demonstrations. Why would Kosovans want anything to do with them, they are disliked and viewed as a secondary form of life. Peggy, from whom we no longer seem to hear, once wrote that it wasn't the fault of Serbs that they were surrounded by lesser peoples. Well, these lesser peoples don't want to be part of the Serb realm. Mind you, the joker who said that everything Serb should be expunged from Kosovo is as bad as the Serbs who try to exert their authority over everyone else in the region.
As for Haradinaj and his demand, he is clearly a buffoon. He is not however doing anything much different to the leader of the free world who insists that his country comes, first, second and last.
I see no possibility of Serbia recognising Kosovo and hopefully the EU will make clear to Haradinaj that continued support, both financial and moral, comes at the price of continuing with negotiations without ridiculous pre-conditions.
OK, well I've probably managed to upset all sides in this debate, a rare achievement.
If Kosova it's a province then why your government it's negotiating with its own province??? Or hwy your government it's asking for zco within your province??? It's yours right???
Give me a good answer without sounding like a sore loser
Sorry to say, but recognition is off the table. This has been made loud and clear to everyone, the EU/US included. No recognition and no going against Russia.
In 2017, 5% of the Russian population saw Serbia as a "close friend and ally." Yet you call them brothers. Stop with the delusions, you will create yet another Balkan conflict if you blindly follow Russia.
@Ratko: "You should take a hammer and recognize your head. Do you know how to write a comment without a threat?"
Ratko, where do you see threats in my comment?
Unlike you who can't apparently scribble a comment without turning it personal. Very childish. Yeah, I'll take a hammer and I'll flatten your tail, Ratko before I'll throw you to the Catko.
@LOL,
Yes, Kosova has been very dumb until now to allow free access to its market for Serbian products, while Serbia doesn't even recognize Kosova and continues to play silly games of one-upmanship. Apparently, the voters are fed up with this policy of appeasement and that's why LDK lost and VV doubled it's votes. Expect the next government in Prishtina to pay back Serbia reciprocally for its attitude.
And thank you both for your hypocritical concerns for the Kosovar people, but they are a million times better than being refugees in Bllace, for which you both clamored I'm sure.
As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically.
(Therret Prizreni, 13 June 2017 18:12)
You poor soul. Kosovo-Metohija trades with the rest of Serbia significantly more than it does with Albania! You think closing yourself off from the rest of the country and region is going to help your local economy? That would be catastrophic, no wonder Albanians have left in droves past 5 years.
Why didn't the voters go with Pacoli? He seems to be the most competent person in Pristina. He's campaigned hard for recognition of the fake state and is no friend to Serbia, but he is miles ahead of all his domestic rivals. The voters sadly want more KLA (until they too decide to leave the province).
My theory is that ALL rabid Serbs making comments on this topic are really that of one person. Albanian comments on the other hand vary greatly in style. It comforts me that there are not as many Serb idiots as it appears. It is obvious if one observes, carefully, the writing style of all Serb comments, one can see many similarities, too many for it to be a coincidence. I'm surprised no one has yet to comment on this observation. I guess people are too preoccupied with insulting each other.
Serbia better recognize Kosova, if it wants to continue having access to the Kosovar market to sell their low-quality products that are not competitive in the EU or even Russian markets.
After all, if Serbia doesn't recognize Kosova, it's only logical that Kosova won't recognize Serbia as well, and with it, any of the existing commercial arrangements.
As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically.
Zoran: The difference between the Kosovo version of autonomy without independence and the version offered by Serbia is that Kosovo Albanians will no longer be beholden to Belgrade.
(ned taylor, 13 June 2017 18:38)
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More than autonomy, less than independence was never negotiated so nothing was ever offered by Serbia. What that would have looked like is pure speculation now. However, had it gone ahead, I have no doubt the world would be a better place. The precedent created by the UDI puts Russia ahead of the USA.
As for what most Serbs think of Albanians, in my opinion, having lived in Serbia for a number of years, I can say they don't care. Albanians are rarely discussed in Serbia (proper), probably similar to how the English think of the Irish.
As for the diaspora, Serbs, Albanians, Croatians...it's easy to be nationalistic and cheer from the sidelines.
It's not a rare achievement Ned Taylor, others here almost always manage to upset all parties, often with no great results. Sometime we have our small victories. Peggy was put in her place by Rote with two sentences and you just wrote a very good comment.
Neither bragging nor insulting does prove or improve anything.
The fact is that politicians in both Serbia and Kosovo are horrible. The President of Serbia and probably next PM of Serbia are two Slobo scumbags who should have been disappered from politics long long ago. Just look at the comments on Srpski section.
In Kosovo Haradinaj should have left politics too. He has been Kosovo PM in the past and has done no miracles. While Kurti is a "hardliner". There is no time for "hardliners".
First thing to do: Reach mutual agreement about practical matters to make life easier for Albanians and Serbs.
All these "Army" or "Recognition" things can wait. They are inevitable.
Why should we waste our energies and time on matters that eventually will happen sooner or later?
If Serbia is "bragging" Kosovo failing UNESCO membership, let them brag. Kosovo can apply 1000 times, lose 999 times and will be fine if will win the 1000th time. That would be more than enough. What`s the rush?
Focus on things that matters now. Recognition is not something that will happen in a single day. It`s a process who needs its time.
Both "never recognition" and "recognition now" are irrational and unrealistic and useless braggings and threatenings. It will happen but it won`t now.
If Serbia fails to consider its decision on recognition, we will not chase after a dialogue where internal issues of Kosovo are discussed," Haradinaj told Albania's Top Channel TV.
Funny. Pristina never 'chases' after a dialogue, it was imposed by the EU. So if Pristina thinks it's smart to stop the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue he should say his followers this means "good-bye" to further EU access.
You got to be kidding me! We want all serbs gone. Are you braindead or something? Forget it. Albanians dont like you or miss you. We are glad that you are gone. What have you been smoking?
Kosovo can never be a country without Serbian recognition, that much is clear...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Feel free to tell that to Serbia - you'll make Serbia very happy lol
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the Kosovo Albanians know that they are not a country, they know that they could only become a country if Serbia recognised them...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
According to Kosovo, they are a country. Apparently Kosovo is not aware of your writings :)
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Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Dear, seriously... You might want to see a psychiatrist. That delusion you wrote above may be a sign of some serious medical condition!
We are sick and tired of serbs and that they think they can control us. Albanians voted for Haradinaj becuase he will be tougher against serbian aggression towards Kosova. Forget about "dialouge" and "improvment". Serbia is the enemy of Republic of Kosovo and its citizens, not to mention we dont like you one bit. We want everything serbian gone for good. Hard to understand that? It will be like this for the next thousand years to come. Get lost serboslav
Serbia realistically offered more than autonomy, less than independence. The Albanians reject it but ended up with, guess what?... more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Zoran, 13 June 2017 14:51)
Oh, that's a grest victory for Serbia, like the 1389 and 1999 victories. I hope Serbia's officials read your writing and stop whining every other day lol
yes I know that Kosovo thinks it's a country... dot dot dot.... but the world does not... dot dot dot...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I'm sure that is case for the world within your head. But in the real world, the majority of the countries think that Kosovo is a country.
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Kosovo can think its a fairy living in a fairy tale, but when reality hits, it is not a fairy, it is a province of Serbia, period...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
Feel free to tell that to Serbia. I'm sure it will make Serbia feel better which is great because, everybody wants to have happy neighbours :)
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Reality check... Kosovo is not a country
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I'm sure that is the case, according to you. But according to 110+ countries, Kosovo is a country. You are more than welcome though to discuss the matter with those 110+ countries and make them follow your reality lol Let us know when you achieve that!
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it leaders are war criminals and terrorists
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 15:30)
I never said that Serbia's leaders are war criminals and terrorits, but if you say so, I guess you know better...
Kosovo can never be a country without Serbian recognition, that much is clear... The EU needs Serbia to recognise Kosovo independence for a precondition to EU membership and for Kosovo to become a country... secondly, the Kosovo Albanians know that they are not a country, they know that they could only become a country if Serbia recognised them...
Haradinaj is unable to be a real prime minister because Kosovo is not a country, he is more like a mayor of a city than a prime minister... Kosovo will unfortunately be locked in a battle between, a battle that Serbia will never give up...
The only outcome... The KLA terrorist government in Kosovo will lose favour with the people and it will be toppled because after decades it has been unable to become a real country and provide for its people, Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration of the province as all hell will break loose when the Kosovo Albanians see that they have been mislead by the terrorists...
Serbia better recognize Kosova, if it wants to continue having access to the Kosovar market to sell their low-quality products that are not competitive in the EU or even Russian markets.
After all, if Serbia doesn't recognize Kosova, it's only logical that Kosova won't recognize Serbia as well, and with it, any of the existing commercial arrangements.
As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically.
Haradinaj is obviously not for dialogue. Why recognize illegally and with use of terrorism taken Kosovo from Serbia. Serbs should not be talking to war criminal.
He says that according to Kosovo, it is a country... yes I know that Kosovo thinks it's a country... dot dot dot.... but the world does not... dot dot dot...
Kosovo can think its a fairy living in a fairy tale, but when reality hits, it is not a fairy, it is a province of Serbia, period...
Icj1, please give up your worthless attempt of trying to convince any audience of this Kosovo fairy tale, your counter arguments are quite disturbing when we consider your false reality...
Reality check... Kosovo is not a country, it has no army, no independence, it is a protectorate, it begs for recognition, it looses UNESCO bids, It is politically divided as seen by recent elections, it leaders are war criminals and terrorists and its Albanian population have strong links to ISIS... that is the reality of Kosovo...
"Kosovo Albanians will be begging for Serb administration...
(Nikola Novakovic, 13 June 2017 14:00)
Nikola, you have not bee paying attention, the opposite will happen. Serbia is the enemy of the West and a supporter of Russia. Albanians will be soon given the responsibility to administer Serbia for the West. Macedonia is under control, Montenegro is getting there, Serbia will be next, just wait.
Don't worry though, we will treat you better than you treated us. You will soon discover your Illyrian ancestry, you will change your flag to red & black, learn Albanian in school and Haradinaj will be your President too. Zhivelli :)
Seems like the Albanians are sick and tired of the same old while nothing is being done to improve their lives.
Serbia realistically offered more than autonomy, less than independence. The Albanians reject it but ended up with, guess what?... more than autonomy, less than independence.
Sorry to say, but recognition is off the table. This has been made loud and clear to everyone, the EU/US included. No recognition and no going against Russia.
This guy Haradinaj will meet his masters soon and they will brief him on what next, for example, the ZSO looks high on the agenda. I think he will be introducing it soon.
Albanians need to get themselves out of the 90s, we are well beyond that.
"...We do not accept to discuss internal issues of Kosovo. If Serbia fails to consider its decision on recognition, we will not chase after a dialogue where internal issues of Kosovo are discussed," Haradinaj told Albania's Top Channel TV.
Someone needs to tell this war mongering moron and his semi literate fanboy squad of village idiots on this page that "internal matters" are what the EU mandates Kosovo discuss with Belgrade. He acts as if he actually has a say in the matter when Thaci has proven for years that he's forced to do what his international sponsors tell him. It would be a pleasure to see the "hero" of the Albanian people sign away more of Kosovo's alleged "sovereignty" in these talks that will happen no matter what demands he makes just before his ugly mug (and man this guy is ugly as sin) is carted off to the KLA War Crimes Tribunal :)
The KLA Terrorist Haridanaj is setting conditions with no army and the worse economy in Europe. Meanwhile, more than 40% of Albanians are out of work, they must love living in a ****hole.
We are sick and tired of serbs and that they think they can control us. Albanians voted for Haradinaj becuase he will be tougher against serbian aggression towards Kosova. Forget about "dialouge" and "improvment". Serbia is the enemy of Republic of Kosovo and its citizens, not to mention we dont like you one bit. We want everything serbian gone for good. Hard to understand that? It will be like this for the next thousand years to come. Get lost serboslav
(Mercurio Bua, 13 June 2017 15:33)
Your so sick of serbs that you come on serbian websites? Makes no sense.
As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically.
(Therret Prizreni, 13 June 2017 18:12)
You poor soul. Kosovo-Metohija trades with the rest of Serbia significantly more than it does with Albania! You think closing yourself off from the rest of the country and region is going to help your local economy? That would be catastrophic, no wonder Albanians have left in droves past 5 years.
Why didn't the voters go with Pacoli? He seems to be the most competent person in Pristina. He's campaigned hard for recognition of the fake state and is no friend to Serbia, but he is miles ahead of all his domestic rivals. The voters sadly want more KLA (until they too decide to leave the province).
My theory is that ALL rabid Serbs making comments on this topic are really that of one person. Albanian comments on the other hand vary greatly in style. It comforts me that there are not as many Serb idiots as it appears. It is obvious if one observes, carefully, the writing style of all Serb comments, one can see many similarities, too many for it to be a coincidence. I'm surprised no one has yet to comment on this observation. I guess people are too preoccupied with insulting each other.
You should take a hammer and recognize your head. Do you know how to write a comment without a threat?
"As a prime minister, Haradinaj can very easily stop imports from Serbia, and this way give a boost to the local economy in the process. For him, it's a win-win both politically and economically."
hahahahah this made laugh. What economy are you talking about? Did you not see the busloads of albanians crossing serbia to flee the paradise? Did you not see the photos and footage? There were families crossing wet grounds bare feet in the cold. There is 50% unemployment there, and the ones who work make peanuts. Some even stand on the street offering themselves for daily work. So I don't know what planet youre from. Where do you work there and what is your wage- you work for some ngo trolling company?
So go ahead and stop the imports what are you waiting for? And then tell albanians to stop waiting in line for serbian passports every day; for elders to stop coming for medical treatment; for women to stop coming for plastic surgeries.
rambo ramus this bandit murderer where did he make his fortune, did he sell pumkin seeds on the street? Oh yeah hes really gonna bring you prosperity just keep on waiting for that. the ordinary albanians should throw him off of a bridge. that whole france incident was all staged to prop him up as the new political candidate.
The KLA Terrorist Haridanaj is setting conditions with no army and the worse economy in Europe. Meanwhile, more than 40% of Albanians are out of work
(Jugoslavija, 13 June 2017 16:52)
No army, no political mandate, no visa liberalization, a dwindling population still finding ways out of the region, no job prospects for anyone outside the inner clique, but yes, Haradinaj will make everything better by denying minority rights to a people making less than 8% of the population while issuing demands no one believes he can enforce.
It's still 1997 for people like him.
Might as well have fun if one is surrounded by nihilistic misery.
B92 can you explain why albos whom diss Serbs and Serbia get their crappy comments in while people defending Serbia and calling albos what they are don't get published?
It's not a rare achievement Ned Taylor, others here almost always manage to upset all parties, often with no great results. Sometime we have our small victories. Peggy was put in her place by Rote with two sentences and you just wrote a very good comment.
Zoran: The difference between the Kosovo version of autonomy without independence and the version offered by Serbia is that Kosovo Albanians will no longer be beholden to Belgrade.
(ned taylor, 13 June 2017 18:38)
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More than autonomy, less than independence was never negotiated so nothing was ever offered by Serbia. What that would have looked like is pure speculation now. However, had it gone ahead, I have no doubt the world would be a better place. The precedent created by the UDI puts Russia ahead of the USA.
As for what most Serbs think of Albanians, in my opinion, having lived in Serbia for a number of years, I can say they don't care. Albanians are rarely discussed in Serbia (proper), probably similar to how the English think of the Irish.
As for the diaspora, Serbs, Albanians, Croatians...it's easy to be nationalistic and cheer from the sidelines.
Neither bragging nor insulting does prove or improve anything.
The fact is that politicians in both Serbia and Kosovo are horrible. The President of Serbia and probably next PM of Serbia are two Slobo scumbags who should have been disappered from politics long long ago. Just look at the comments on Srpski section.
In Kosovo Haradinaj should have left politics too. He has been Kosovo PM in the past and has done no miracles. While Kurti is a "hardliner". There is no time for "hardliners".
First thing to do: Reach mutual agreement about practical matters to make life easier for Albanians and Serbs.
All these "Army" or "Recognition" things can wait. They are inevitable.
Why should we waste our energies and time on matters that eventually will happen sooner or later?
If Serbia is "bragging" Kosovo failing UNESCO membership, let them brag. Kosovo can apply 1000 times, lose 999 times and will be fine if will win the 1000th time. That would be more than enough. What`s the rush?
Focus on things that matters now. Recognition is not something that will happen in a single day. It`s a process who needs its time.
Both "never recognition" and "recognition now" are irrational and unrealistic and useless braggings and threatenings. It will happen but it won`t now.
Finally Albanian got it right. THEY made big mistake talking to Serbia without recognition. If Serbia wants peace they must except Realty. EUROPEAN union was lying to Albanian cheating them with some visa bonus. SERBIA MUST EXCEPT Kosovo independence first then talk later in mutual respect.
Says alot about the albanian people when they worship this bloke as a hero and saviour, your entire history is fake made up of cowards who never fought for anything on your own,which explains you are the only muslim country in Europe.
Sorry to say, but recognition is off the table. This has been made loud and clear to everyone, the EU/US included. No recognition and no going against Russia.
In 2017, 5% of the Russian population saw Serbia as a "close friend and ally." Yet you call them brothers. Stop with the delusions, you will create yet another Balkan conflict if you blindly follow Russia.
This guy Haradinaj will meet his masters soon and they will brief him on what next, for example, the ZSO looks high on the agenda.
(Zoran, 13 June 2017 14:51)
If he ends up becoming Prime Minister, not only will he suddenly develop an change of heart over ZSO, but he'll use it as a stay-out-of-jail card. It's telling when the war hero/criminals of Kosovo need to form a three-way coalition to cobble together votes to offset the protest vote that makes Vetevendosje stronger every election cycle. Like their Balkan counterparts in the 1990s, these guys campaign as the big defenders of whatever scrap of land they call home, and after they win, settle back into politics as usual. Not only will ZSO go forward because it's part of Kosovo's road to the EU, Haradinaj will want to placate international sponsors in keeping his name off the war crimes list. These "war heroes" many here praise are, and have been, out for themselves since 1999 and are scared of losing their privileged positions to new political voices and movements that, if given power, would disenfranchise all of them, and eventually also be emasculated in rhetoric and bluster once they too realize the only way forward is negotiation with Belgrade.
The following article in Pristina Insight offers an excellent insight into the desperate clinging to power of the KLA remnants that have done nothing for the people of Kosovo.
Zoran: The difference between the Kosovo version of autonomy without independence and the version offered by Serbia is that Kosovo Albanians will no longer be beholden to Belgrade. Serbs look down on K Albanians, something made abundantly clear during the 2008 demonstrations. Why would Kosovans want anything to do with them, they are disliked and viewed as a secondary form of life. Peggy, from whom we no longer seem to hear, once wrote that it wasn't the fault of Serbs that they were surrounded by lesser peoples. Well, these lesser peoples don't want to be part of the Serb realm. Mind you, the joker who said that everything Serb should be expunged from Kosovo is as bad as the Serbs who try to exert their authority over everyone else in the region.
As for Haradinaj and his demand, he is clearly a buffoon. He is not however doing anything much different to the leader of the free world who insists that his country comes, first, second and last.
I see no possibility of Serbia recognising Kosovo and hopefully the EU will make clear to Haradinaj that continued support, both financial and moral, comes at the price of continuing with negotiations without ridiculous pre-conditions.
OK, well I've probably managed to upset all sides in this debate, a rare achievement.
Serbia better recognize Kosova, if it wants to continue having access to the Kosovar market to sell their low-quality products that are not competitive in the EU or even Russian markets.
(Therret Prizreni, 13 June 2017 18:12)
Wait a sec: who are you insulting? The Serbs who sell what you think are inferior products no one wants to buy, or the Kosovo Albanians who are the only people in Europe dumb enough to buy them? I know Hoxha logic defies all rational reasoning for everyone who didn't come from Europe's North Korea, but how the Hell did you come to this fantastical conclusion? :)
@Ratko: "You should take a hammer and recognize your head. Do you know how to write a comment without a threat?"
Ratko, where do you see threats in my comment?
Unlike you who can't apparently scribble a comment without turning it personal. Very childish. Yeah, I'll take a hammer and I'll flatten your tail, Ratko before I'll throw you to the Catko.
@LOL,
Yes, Kosova has been very dumb until now to allow free access to its market for Serbian products, while Serbia doesn't even recognize Kosova and continues to play silly games of one-upmanship. Apparently, the voters are fed up with this policy of appeasement and that's why LDK lost and VV doubled it's votes. Expect the next government in Prishtina to pay back Serbia reciprocally for its attitude.
And thank you both for your hypocritical concerns for the Kosovar people, but they are a million times better than being refugees in Bllace, for which you both clamored I'm sure.
If Serbia fails to consider its decision on recognition, we will not chase after a dialogue where internal issues of Kosovo are discussed," Haradinaj told Albania's Top Channel TV.
Funny. Pristina never 'chases' after a dialogue, it was imposed by the EU. So if Pristina thinks it's smart to stop the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue he should say his followers this means "good-bye" to further EU access.
If Kosova it's a province then why your government it's negotiating with its own province??? Or hwy your government it's asking for zco within your province??? It's yours right???
Give me a good answer without sounding like a sore loser
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