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Monday, 22.05.2017.

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"NATO would solve problems - but people don't want it"

Aleksandar Vucic says that "by joining NATO" Serbia would "solve a large portion of its problems."

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sj

pre 6 godina

Interesting, there are also rumors about Marshal Tito who may not even been Croatian/Slovenian. Nobody could recognize his accent from any region in the former Yugoslavia. Regardless, Ante Pavelic was protected by the Catholic Church through the ratlines led by Krunoslav Draganovic.
(Jugoslavija, 25 May 2017 21:56)

My father served in the Yugoslav military from 1945 to 1948 in Macedonia and Kosovo. Tito arrived in Skopje in 1948. This man could barely speak the language. It was obvious that he was double.
If you can get a copy of the Ratlines by Mark Arons and John Loftus. It covers the Catholic Church involvement very well. Even better is another book Hitler’s Pope by John Cornwell

sj

pre 6 godina

You can't distinguish nationality from religion or politics. Religions or politics are like clothes. You change them when the climate changes. But we never killed our brothers because they have different religion.

Albania joined NATO and got Kosovo. You signed treaties with both NATO and Russia and still lost Kosovo. And you brag about it.
(Free, 25 May 2017 15:10)

All you guys got was depleted uranium but are too dumb to realise it.

icj1

pre 6 godina

Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
(icj1, 25 May 2017 15:18)

Hitler had no intention to go through Yugoslavia to Greece, it was Russia that he needed this transit route more.
(Jugoslavija, 25 May 2017 22:24)

That makes Yugoslavia's cowardice even worse. Betraying the Greeks is one thing. But, according to you, Yugoslavia betrayed the Russian brothers by signing the tripartite to allow the Nazis transit through Yugoslavia to attack Russia!

Btw, have you looked at a map?!!! Your theory that the Nazis wanted a transit route via Yugoslavia to attack Russia sounds a bit weird lol

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
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The reason why it was signed is valid.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Yugoslavia cowardly agreeing to help the Nazis to attack a Yugoslavia's neighbor is valid?! That's a bit weird considering that the most patriotic of Serbs call some other Balkans countries Nazi collaborators for actions taken by puppet governments!!!
(icj1, 25 May 2017 15:18)

The toilet paper "historian" is at it again. Albania declared war on the US in 1941 after King Zog fled to Greece and the Italian and Albanian fascists formed a union. Hitler had no intention to go through Yugoslavia to Greece, it was Russia that he needed this transit route more. Italy and Albania tried to invade Greece and were soundly trounced. The Coup d'etat in Yugoslavia gave Hitler the perfect excuse to kill two countries with one stone with the help of Bulgaria and Hungary.

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

She explained how she called for certain files from the repository, but wrong papers were delivered and after reading them she was in shock to find out that Ante Pavelic was a British agent since the 1920s.
(sj, 25 May 2017 10:31)

Interesting, there are also rumors about Marshal Tito who may not even been Croatian/Slovenian. Nobody could recognize his accent from any region in the former Yugoslavia. Regardless, Ante Pavelic was protected by the Catholic Church through the ratlines led by Krunoslav Draganovic.

Free

pre 6 godina

You can't distinguish nationality from religion or politics. Religions or politics are like clothes. You change them when the climate changes. But we never killed our brothers because they have different religion.

Albania joined NATO and got Kosovo. You signed treaties with both NATO and Russia and still lost Kosovo. And you brag about it.

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 23 May 2017 19:21)

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Oh please, never heard of the Yugoslavian coup d`etat on march 27 1941?
(General Karremans, 24 May 2017 11:16)

Yeah, I've heard of that coup d'etat. So back to the question: did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature?

icj1

pre 6 godina

The tripartite pact did not require the Kingdom of Yugoslavia to join the Nazis.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course... It was only after the Kingdom of Yugoslavia signed it that the Kingdom of Yugoslavia joined the Nazis.
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Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
----------

The reason why it was signed is valid.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Yugoslavia cowardly agreeing to help the Nazis to attack a Yugoslavia's neighbor is valid?! That's a bit weird considering that the most patriotic of Serbs call some other Balkans countries Nazi collaborators for actions taken by puppet governments!!!

icj1

pre 6 godina

most Serbs remained Serbs after the Ottomans took over
(sj, 25 May 2017 14:38)

Absolutely, like most Albanians remained Albanians, like most Greeks remained Greeks, etc. It's great, as always, when the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that Serbs are so similar to Albanians, Greeks, etc.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

sj

pre 6 godina

(Free, 25 May 2017 11:42)

At least most Serbs remained Serbs after the Ottomans took over unlike the Albos who dropped their pants then bent over for the Turks and became Muslims then when the communists took over they all became communists and in the end got nothing out.
No the Nazis would not have touched Serbia if that pact was intact. It was only after Mi5 organised student protests declaring they wanted war and not the pact. Are all Albos historically ignorant as you?
No little man NATO cannot do what it wants. There are strict conditions on any part of NATO moving on Serbian road systems plus it can be rescinded at short notice. To balance that out Serbia also gave Russia the same deal including the humanitarian centre at Nis.
If Milosevic permitted NATO a military base in Serbia he could have done whatever he wanted with Albos and the west would have turned a blind eye. However, what is even more interesting is that NATO dropped all that depleted uranium and never cleaned it up so today Kosovo has the highest cancer rates in Europe and Albos still grovel at the feet of the west thanking them for doing that.
Since they paid to have the DU cleaned it up in Serbia proper and not in Kosovo, what does that mean? Does the west consider you worthwhile at all?

Free

pre 6 godina

sj: For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.

Ottomans attacked Serbia and then Serbia allied with Murad II and agreed to let Ottoman army to do whatever they wanted in Serbia.
Nazi's attacked Serbia (aka Yugo) during WWII and then they signed to let Nazis do whatever they wanted in Serbia.
NATO bombed Serbia then Serbia signed to let NATO do whatever they wanted in Serbia.

Impressive traditon.

Balli Kombetar did joined the Nazis but at least the Nazis gave them Kosovo. Chetniks joined the Nazis even after the Nazis dismantled Serbia and still are proud of it and call themselves "nationalists".

sj

pre 6 godina

The British Government demonized Prince Paul and his wife and remained under house arrest in Kenya. Prince Paul finally rehabilitated and buried in his rightful place, in Oplenac at the Monastery with his forefathers with his wife Olga.
(Jugoslavija, 24 May 2017 18:38)

True. When I was in Serbia in 2015 I watched a documentary about aspects that led up to WW2. Archived interviews were played with people who worked for the British during and after the war. One such person was a woman and she was located in the Foreign Office in the late 1940s - I think she was a professor at a university (I can recall now where). She explained how she called for certain files from the repository, but wrong papers were delivered and after reading them she was in shock to find out that Ante Pavelic was a British agent since the 1920s.
Draza Mihjalovic personally pleaded with the British to bomb the rail lines leading to Jasenovac and other concentration camps, but the Brits refused.

Perhaps one day Serbia can return that favor.

factman

pre 6 godina

The conversation below is Bullsh*t

In every corner of the world Serbia and Yugoslavia are recognized as having fought on the side of the Allies in WW2 (just as Serbia did in WW1)

There are some people below who represent other countries who cannot claim the same thing.

Stop the Bullsh*t

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

The British Government demonized Prince Paul and his wife and remained under house arrest in Kenya. Prince Paul finally rehabilitated and buried in his rightful place, in Oplenac at the Monastery with his forefathers with his wife Olga.

sj

pre 6 godina

The tripartite pact did not require the Kingdom of Yugoslavia to join the Nazis. Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
The reason why it was signed is valid. Serbia had been through WW1 and it took a very heavy toll on its people and resources. As Nikola Pasic said in 1918, Serbia required at least 20 years of peace to recover. The British did not like that and wanted another front to opened up with the Germans and Mi5 agents organised the rest. We all know how the Serbs fared during WW2.
For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.

sj

pre 6 godina

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Why are you always a couple of steps behind the rest? What a dumb question LOL But they are your specialty.

General Karremans

pre 6 godina

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Oh please, never heard of the Yugoslavian coup d`etat on march 27 1941?
You look pretty dumb with comments like these.

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 23 May 2017 19:21)

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?

Fresh

pre 6 godina

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.

Not quite. Maybe Retar-Dardania. You'll all be in the same asylum together.

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
Your Balli Kombëtar or ballista fought for 4 years with Nazi Germany.
Vucic knows that the people in Serbia will always uprise against NATO and will force a change of government.

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2

Arčibald Rajs II.

pre 6 godina

Vučić is the very incarnation of traitorness: Poroshenko+Shaakasvili+Djukanović in one handy package. The colour of his "revolution" is shit brown.

sj

pre 6 godina

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.
(Milush Kopiliqi, 23 May 2017 08:39)

Since you have inhabited Dardania since pre-dinosaur days what have your Albanians left as proof of that occupation? The Greeks the Romans, Turks and Serbs have left something in that region, but you guys have not left a cave painting.

So what if there is a new government in Macedonia? LOL What do you think is going to happen? Santa Claus is going to rain presents? You people are such simpletons that you highly overestimate your value or use to society as a whole.

Milush Kopiliqi

pre 6 godina

Africa the new frontier?
Vucicu - here's a old strategy you can use again:
1. Go and fight in Africa
2. Lose some battles
3. Tell the tales about victory back home
4. Let your people migrate there to build cemeteries...then churches
5. Claim the land's because Serbian blood spile the soil
6. Exterminate the native people
7. Steal their history

- autochthonous -

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Precisely what problems would joining this evil solve?
They want us to turn our back to our brothers and once we do they will only become even more fierce masters.
Then once we burned our bridges we are truly at their mercy.
Is Vucic that stupid or is he a traitor?
Is he thinking short term only and not seeing the bigger picture?
If we leave Russia isolated with no friend in that region we are sending a very dangerous message to them.
We have already seen how much they value us. We are so valuable to them for target practice and experiments with depleted uranium.
I hope people don't follow this fool/traitor over the cliff.

Bob

pre 6 godina

Serbia got itself into an unhealthy state and Milosevic with plenty of prior warning knowingly took steps that provoked a response from NATO.

It is no wonder then that many in Serbia see NATO as being incompatible with their nationalistic view point.

Sad really, because NATO is an association of lots of democratic countries whose aim is, and always had been peaceful coexistence.

Brian.

pre 6 godina

Serbs do want to be in NATO! Why else would they reelect Vucic who supports ipap, hosts NATO, gave immunity to NATO, sends Serb military to train with NATO. All indicators say Serbs love NATO.

rote

pre 6 godina

Zoran

NATO has been designed to create problems but not to solve them. This organization has never helped any people because it serves a very limited list of anglo-saxon states. NATO is a reincarnation of many unions in the past that were aimed at the Slavs. So if your neighbors like to be engaged in this Kamasutra let the Serbs stay away and enjoy the show.

Read more about the Great Serbs like S.Verkovic ... http://www.kramola.info/vesti/letopisi-proshlogo/veda-slavjan-bolgarskie-dohristianskie-byliny

Watcher

pre 6 godina

With a lot of bad options, I believe Vucic is taking Srbija on the right, albeit, dangerous road. As long as he's dedicated to the well-being of Srbija, he's doing fine. This is just my honest opinion.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

"NATO would solve problems - but people don't want it"
--
I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems but Serbs have always been anti-fascists so joining NATO is not an option. In today's world, we are also anti-terrorism, anti-Islamic-fundamentalism, which NATO supports.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

"NATO would solve problems - but people don't want it"
--
I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems but Serbs have always been anti-fascists so joining NATO is not an option. In today's world, we are also anti-terrorism, anti-Islamic-fundamentalism, which NATO supports.

Watcher

pre 6 godina

With a lot of bad options, I believe Vucic is taking Srbija on the right, albeit, dangerous road. As long as he's dedicated to the well-being of Srbija, he's doing fine. This is just my honest opinion.

sj

pre 6 godina

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.
(Milush Kopiliqi, 23 May 2017 08:39)

Since you have inhabited Dardania since pre-dinosaur days what have your Albanians left as proof of that occupation? The Greeks the Romans, Turks and Serbs have left something in that region, but you guys have not left a cave painting.

So what if there is a new government in Macedonia? LOL What do you think is going to happen? Santa Claus is going to rain presents? You people are such simpletons that you highly overestimate your value or use to society as a whole.

rote

pre 6 godina

Zoran

NATO has been designed to create problems but not to solve them. This organization has never helped any people because it serves a very limited list of anglo-saxon states. NATO is a reincarnation of many unions in the past that were aimed at the Slavs. So if your neighbors like to be engaged in this Kamasutra let the Serbs stay away and enjoy the show.

Read more about the Great Serbs like S.Verkovic ... http://www.kramola.info/vesti/letopisi-proshlogo/veda-slavjan-bolgarskie-dohristianskie-byliny

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Precisely what problems would joining this evil solve?
They want us to turn our back to our brothers and once we do they will only become even more fierce masters.
Then once we burned our bridges we are truly at their mercy.
Is Vucic that stupid or is he a traitor?
Is he thinking short term only and not seeing the bigger picture?
If we leave Russia isolated with no friend in that region we are sending a very dangerous message to them.
We have already seen how much they value us. We are so valuable to them for target practice and experiments with depleted uranium.
I hope people don't follow this fool/traitor over the cliff.

Brian.

pre 6 godina

Serbs do want to be in NATO! Why else would they reelect Vucic who supports ipap, hosts NATO, gave immunity to NATO, sends Serb military to train with NATO. All indicators say Serbs love NATO.

Bob

pre 6 godina

Serbia got itself into an unhealthy state and Milosevic with plenty of prior warning knowingly took steps that provoked a response from NATO.

It is no wonder then that many in Serbia see NATO as being incompatible with their nationalistic view point.

Sad really, because NATO is an association of lots of democratic countries whose aim is, and always had been peaceful coexistence.

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
Your Balli Kombëtar or ballista fought for 4 years with Nazi Germany.
Vucic knows that the people in Serbia will always uprise against NATO and will force a change of government.

Arčibald Rajs II.

pre 6 godina

Vučić is the very incarnation of traitorness: Poroshenko+Shaakasvili+Djukanović in one handy package. The colour of his "revolution" is shit brown.

General Karremans

pre 6 godina

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Oh please, never heard of the Yugoslavian coup d`etat on march 27 1941?
You look pretty dumb with comments like these.

Milush Kopiliqi

pre 6 godina

Africa the new frontier?
Vucicu - here's a old strategy you can use again:
1. Go and fight in Africa
2. Lose some battles
3. Tell the tales about victory back home
4. Let your people migrate there to build cemeteries...then churches
5. Claim the land's because Serbian blood spile the soil
6. Exterminate the native people
7. Steal their history

- autochthonous -

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.

Fresh

pre 6 godina

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.

Not quite. Maybe Retar-Dardania. You'll all be in the same asylum together.

sj

pre 6 godina

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Why are you always a couple of steps behind the rest? What a dumb question LOL But they are your specialty.

sj

pre 6 godina

The tripartite pact did not require the Kingdom of Yugoslavia to join the Nazis. Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
The reason why it was signed is valid. Serbia had been through WW1 and it took a very heavy toll on its people and resources. As Nikola Pasic said in 1918, Serbia required at least 20 years of peace to recover. The British did not like that and wanted another front to opened up with the Germans and Mi5 agents organised the rest. We all know how the Serbs fared during WW2.
For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

The British Government demonized Prince Paul and his wife and remained under house arrest in Kenya. Prince Paul finally rehabilitated and buried in his rightful place, in Oplenac at the Monastery with his forefathers with his wife Olga.

factman

pre 6 godina

The conversation below is Bullsh*t

In every corner of the world Serbia and Yugoslavia are recognized as having fought on the side of the Allies in WW2 (just as Serbia did in WW1)

There are some people below who represent other countries who cannot claim the same thing.

Stop the Bullsh*t

sj

pre 6 godina

The British Government demonized Prince Paul and his wife and remained under house arrest in Kenya. Prince Paul finally rehabilitated and buried in his rightful place, in Oplenac at the Monastery with his forefathers with his wife Olga.
(Jugoslavija, 24 May 2017 18:38)

True. When I was in Serbia in 2015 I watched a documentary about aspects that led up to WW2. Archived interviews were played with people who worked for the British during and after the war. One such person was a woman and she was located in the Foreign Office in the late 1940s - I think she was a professor at a university (I can recall now where). She explained how she called for certain files from the repository, but wrong papers were delivered and after reading them she was in shock to find out that Ante Pavelic was a British agent since the 1920s.
Draza Mihjalovic personally pleaded with the British to bomb the rail lines leading to Jasenovac and other concentration camps, but the Brits refused.

Perhaps one day Serbia can return that favor.

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
----------

The reason why it was signed is valid.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Yugoslavia cowardly agreeing to help the Nazis to attack a Yugoslavia's neighbor is valid?! That's a bit weird considering that the most patriotic of Serbs call some other Balkans countries Nazi collaborators for actions taken by puppet governments!!!
(icj1, 25 May 2017 15:18)

The toilet paper "historian" is at it again. Albania declared war on the US in 1941 after King Zog fled to Greece and the Italian and Albanian fascists formed a union. Hitler had no intention to go through Yugoslavia to Greece, it was Russia that he needed this transit route more. Italy and Albania tried to invade Greece and were soundly trounced. The Coup d'etat in Yugoslavia gave Hitler the perfect excuse to kill two countries with one stone with the help of Bulgaria and Hungary.

sj

pre 6 godina

(Free, 25 May 2017 11:42)

At least most Serbs remained Serbs after the Ottomans took over unlike the Albos who dropped their pants then bent over for the Turks and became Muslims then when the communists took over they all became communists and in the end got nothing out.
No the Nazis would not have touched Serbia if that pact was intact. It was only after Mi5 organised student protests declaring they wanted war and not the pact. Are all Albos historically ignorant as you?
No little man NATO cannot do what it wants. There are strict conditions on any part of NATO moving on Serbian road systems plus it can be rescinded at short notice. To balance that out Serbia also gave Russia the same deal including the humanitarian centre at Nis.
If Milosevic permitted NATO a military base in Serbia he could have done whatever he wanted with Albos and the west would have turned a blind eye. However, what is even more interesting is that NATO dropped all that depleted uranium and never cleaned it up so today Kosovo has the highest cancer rates in Europe and Albos still grovel at the feet of the west thanking them for doing that.
Since they paid to have the DU cleaned it up in Serbia proper and not in Kosovo, what does that mean? Does the west consider you worthwhile at all?

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

She explained how she called for certain files from the repository, but wrong papers were delivered and after reading them she was in shock to find out that Ante Pavelic was a British agent since the 1920s.
(sj, 25 May 2017 10:31)

Interesting, there are also rumors about Marshal Tito who may not even been Croatian/Slovenian. Nobody could recognize his accent from any region in the former Yugoslavia. Regardless, Ante Pavelic was protected by the Catholic Church through the ratlines led by Krunoslav Draganovic.

sj

pre 6 godina

You can't distinguish nationality from religion or politics. Religions or politics are like clothes. You change them when the climate changes. But we never killed our brothers because they have different religion.

Albania joined NATO and got Kosovo. You signed treaties with both NATO and Russia and still lost Kosovo. And you brag about it.
(Free, 25 May 2017 15:10)

All you guys got was depleted uranium but are too dumb to realise it.

sj

pre 6 godina

Interesting, there are also rumors about Marshal Tito who may not even been Croatian/Slovenian. Nobody could recognize his accent from any region in the former Yugoslavia. Regardless, Ante Pavelic was protected by the Catholic Church through the ratlines led by Krunoslav Draganovic.
(Jugoslavija, 25 May 2017 21:56)

My father served in the Yugoslav military from 1945 to 1948 in Macedonia and Kosovo. Tito arrived in Skopje in 1948. This man could barely speak the language. It was obvious that he was double.
If you can get a copy of the Ratlines by Mark Arons and John Loftus. It covers the Catholic Church involvement very well. Even better is another book Hitler’s Pope by John Cornwell

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2

icj1

pre 6 godina

The tripartite pact did not require the Kingdom of Yugoslavia to join the Nazis.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course... It was only after the Kingdom of Yugoslavia signed it that the Kingdom of Yugoslavia joined the Nazis.
----------

Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
----------

The reason why it was signed is valid.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Yugoslavia cowardly agreeing to help the Nazis to attack a Yugoslavia's neighbor is valid?! That's a bit weird considering that the most patriotic of Serbs call some other Balkans countries Nazi collaborators for actions taken by puppet governments!!!

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 23 May 2017 19:21)

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?

Free

pre 6 godina

sj: For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.

Ottomans attacked Serbia and then Serbia allied with Murad II and agreed to let Ottoman army to do whatever they wanted in Serbia.
Nazi's attacked Serbia (aka Yugo) during WWII and then they signed to let Nazis do whatever they wanted in Serbia.
NATO bombed Serbia then Serbia signed to let NATO do whatever they wanted in Serbia.

Impressive traditon.

Balli Kombetar did joined the Nazis but at least the Nazis gave them Kosovo. Chetniks joined the Nazis even after the Nazis dismantled Serbia and still are proud of it and call themselves "nationalists".

icj1

pre 6 godina

most Serbs remained Serbs after the Ottomans took over
(sj, 25 May 2017 14:38)

Absolutely, like most Albanians remained Albanians, like most Greeks remained Greeks, etc. It's great, as always, when the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that Serbs are so similar to Albanians, Greeks, etc.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 23 May 2017 19:21)

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Oh please, never heard of the Yugoslavian coup d`etat on march 27 1941?
(General Karremans, 24 May 2017 11:16)

Yeah, I've heard of that coup d'etat. So back to the question: did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature?

Free

pre 6 godina

You can't distinguish nationality from religion or politics. Religions or politics are like clothes. You change them when the climate changes. But we never killed our brothers because they have different religion.

Albania joined NATO and got Kosovo. You signed treaties with both NATO and Russia and still lost Kosovo. And you brag about it.

icj1

pre 6 godina

Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
(icj1, 25 May 2017 15:18)

Hitler had no intention to go through Yugoslavia to Greece, it was Russia that he needed this transit route more.
(Jugoslavija, 25 May 2017 22:24)

That makes Yugoslavia's cowardice even worse. Betraying the Greeks is one thing. But, according to you, Yugoslavia betrayed the Russian brothers by signing the tripartite to allow the Nazis transit through Yugoslavia to attack Russia!

Btw, have you looked at a map?!!! Your theory that the Nazis wanted a transit route via Yugoslavia to attack Russia sounds a bit weird lol

Brian.

pre 6 godina

Serbs do want to be in NATO! Why else would they reelect Vucic who supports ipap, hosts NATO, gave immunity to NATO, sends Serb military to train with NATO. All indicators say Serbs love NATO.

Zoran

pre 6 godina

"NATO would solve problems - but people don't want it"
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I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems but Serbs have always been anti-fascists so joining NATO is not an option. In today's world, we are also anti-terrorism, anti-Islamic-fundamentalism, which NATO supports.

rote

pre 6 godina

Zoran

NATO has been designed to create problems but not to solve them. This organization has never helped any people because it serves a very limited list of anglo-saxon states. NATO is a reincarnation of many unions in the past that were aimed at the Slavs. So if your neighbors like to be engaged in this Kamasutra let the Serbs stay away and enjoy the show.

Read more about the Great Serbs like S.Verkovic ... http://www.kramola.info/vesti/letopisi-proshlogo/veda-slavjan-bolgarskie-dohristianskie-byliny

Bob

pre 6 godina

Serbia got itself into an unhealthy state and Milosevic with plenty of prior warning knowingly took steps that provoked a response from NATO.

It is no wonder then that many in Serbia see NATO as being incompatible with their nationalistic view point.

Sad really, because NATO is an association of lots of democratic countries whose aim is, and always had been peaceful coexistence.

Milush Kopiliqi

pre 6 godina

Africa the new frontier?
Vucicu - here's a old strategy you can use again:
1. Go and fight in Africa
2. Lose some battles
3. Tell the tales about victory back home
4. Let your people migrate there to build cemeteries...then churches
5. Claim the land's because Serbian blood spile the soil
6. Exterminate the native people
7. Steal their history

- autochthonous -

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.

Watcher

pre 6 godina

With a lot of bad options, I believe Vucic is taking Srbija on the right, albeit, dangerous road. As long as he's dedicated to the well-being of Srbija, he's doing fine. This is just my honest opinion.

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 23 May 2017 19:21)

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?

Peggy

pre 6 godina

Precisely what problems would joining this evil solve?
They want us to turn our back to our brothers and once we do they will only become even more fierce masters.
Then once we burned our bridges we are truly at their mercy.
Is Vucic that stupid or is he a traitor?
Is he thinking short term only and not seeing the bigger picture?
If we leave Russia isolated with no friend in that region we are sending a very dangerous message to them.
We have already seen how much they value us. We are so valuable to them for target practice and experiments with depleted uranium.
I hope people don't follow this fool/traitor over the cliff.

sj

pre 6 godina

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.
(Milush Kopiliqi, 23 May 2017 08:39)

Since you have inhabited Dardania since pre-dinosaur days what have your Albanians left as proof of that occupation? The Greeks the Romans, Turks and Serbs have left something in that region, but you guys have not left a cave painting.

So what if there is a new government in Macedonia? LOL What do you think is going to happen? Santa Claus is going to rain presents? You people are such simpletons that you highly overestimate your value or use to society as a whole.

icj1

pre 6 godina

The tripartite pact did not require the Kingdom of Yugoslavia to join the Nazis.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course... It was only after the Kingdom of Yugoslavia signed it that the Kingdom of Yugoslavia joined the Nazis.
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Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
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The reason why it was signed is valid.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Yugoslavia cowardly agreeing to help the Nazis to attack a Yugoslavia's neighbor is valid?! That's a bit weird considering that the most patriotic of Serbs call some other Balkans countries Nazi collaborators for actions taken by puppet governments!!!

icj1

pre 6 godina

Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
(icj1, 25 May 2017 15:18)

Hitler had no intention to go through Yugoslavia to Greece, it was Russia that he needed this transit route more.
(Jugoslavija, 25 May 2017 22:24)

That makes Yugoslavia's cowardice even worse. Betraying the Greeks is one thing. But, according to you, Yugoslavia betrayed the Russian brothers by signing the tripartite to allow the Nazis transit through Yugoslavia to attack Russia!

Btw, have you looked at a map?!!! Your theory that the Nazis wanted a transit route via Yugoslavia to attack Russia sounds a bit weird lol

Arčibald Rajs II.

pre 6 godina

Vučić is the very incarnation of traitorness: Poroshenko+Shaakasvili+Djukanović in one handy package. The colour of his "revolution" is shit brown.

sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
Your Balli Kombëtar or ballista fought for 4 years with Nazi Germany.
Vucic knows that the people in Serbia will always uprise against NATO and will force a change of government.

Fresh

pre 6 godina

I'm pretty sure Serbian are in for at lively (coming) decade with new new government in Macedonia, Serbia, Kosova (soon renamed Dardania) and Albania.

Not quite. Maybe Retar-Dardania. You'll all be in the same asylum together.

sj

pre 6 godina

The British Government demonized Prince Paul and his wife and remained under house arrest in Kenya. Prince Paul finally rehabilitated and buried in his rightful place, in Oplenac at the Monastery with his forefathers with his wife Olga.
(Jugoslavija, 24 May 2017 18:38)

True. When I was in Serbia in 2015 I watched a documentary about aspects that led up to WW2. Archived interviews were played with people who worked for the British during and after the war. One such person was a woman and she was located in the Foreign Office in the late 1940s - I think she was a professor at a university (I can recall now where). She explained how she called for certain files from the repository, but wrong papers were delivered and after reading them she was in shock to find out that Ante Pavelic was a British agent since the 1920s.
Draza Mihjalovic personally pleaded with the British to bomb the rail lines leading to Jasenovac and other concentration camps, but the Brits refused.

Perhaps one day Serbia can return that favor.

Free

pre 6 godina

sj: For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.

Ottomans attacked Serbia and then Serbia allied with Murad II and agreed to let Ottoman army to do whatever they wanted in Serbia.
Nazi's attacked Serbia (aka Yugo) during WWII and then they signed to let Nazis do whatever they wanted in Serbia.
NATO bombed Serbia then Serbia signed to let NATO do whatever they wanted in Serbia.

Impressive traditon.

Balli Kombetar did joined the Nazis but at least the Nazis gave them Kosovo. Chetniks joined the Nazis even after the Nazis dismantled Serbia and still are proud of it and call themselves "nationalists".

icj1

pre 6 godina

most Serbs remained Serbs after the Ottomans took over
(sj, 25 May 2017 14:38)

Absolutely, like most Albanians remained Albanians, like most Greeks remained Greeks, etc. It's great, as always, when the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that Serbs are so similar to Albanians, Greeks, etc.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 6 godina

I suppose joining the NAZIs would have also solved some problems
(Zoran, 22 May 2017 17:08)

Exactly, that's why Yugoslavia signed the tripartite pact thus joining the Nazis in WW2
(icj1, 23 May 2017 15:43) # Comment link

Yes ,and join them for 2 minutes before the population disagree with the acting Prince caretaker and then fought against Nazi Germany 4 years together with Greek brother's.
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 23 May 2017 19:21)

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Oh please, never heard of the Yugoslavian coup d`etat on march 27 1941?
(General Karremans, 24 May 2017 11:16)

Yeah, I've heard of that coup d'etat. So back to the question: did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature?

Free

pre 6 godina

You can't distinguish nationality from religion or politics. Religions or politics are like clothes. You change them when the climate changes. But we never killed our brothers because they have different religion.

Albania joined NATO and got Kosovo. You signed treaties with both NATO and Russia and still lost Kosovo. And you brag about it.

sj

pre 6 godina

Interesting, there are also rumors about Marshal Tito who may not even been Croatian/Slovenian. Nobody could recognize his accent from any region in the former Yugoslavia. Regardless, Ante Pavelic was protected by the Catholic Church through the ratlines led by Krunoslav Draganovic.
(Jugoslavija, 25 May 2017 21:56)

My father served in the Yugoslav military from 1945 to 1948 in Macedonia and Kosovo. Tito arrived in Skopje in 1948. This man could barely speak the language. It was obvious that he was double.
If you can get a copy of the Ratlines by Mark Arons and John Loftus. It covers the Catholic Church involvement very well. Even better is another book Hitler’s Pope by John Cornwell

General Karremans

pre 6 godina

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Oh please, never heard of the Yugoslavian coup d`etat on march 27 1941?
You look pretty dumb with comments like these.

sj

pre 6 godina

Well, did the disagreeing population withdraw the signature? Or it just disagreed with words instead of actions?
(icj1, 24 May 2017 02:13)

Why are you always a couple of steps behind the rest? What a dumb question LOL But they are your specialty.

sj

pre 6 godina

The tripartite pact did not require the Kingdom of Yugoslavia to join the Nazis. Hitler only wanted unimpeded access through Serbia and nothing more.
The reason why it was signed is valid. Serbia had been through WW1 and it took a very heavy toll on its people and resources. As Nikola Pasic said in 1918, Serbia required at least 20 years of peace to recover. The British did not like that and wanted another front to opened up with the Germans and Mi5 agents organised the rest. We all know how the Serbs fared during WW2.
For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

For those that still think Yugoslavia aka Serbia joined the Nazis, Serbia, while under Boris Tadic, signed a very similar agreement to the pact with NATO for free passage through Serbia.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

The British Government demonized Prince Paul and his wife and remained under house arrest in Kenya. Prince Paul finally rehabilitated and buried in his rightful place, in Oplenac at the Monastery with his forefathers with his wife Olga.

factman

pre 6 godina

The conversation below is Bullsh*t

In every corner of the world Serbia and Yugoslavia are recognized as having fought on the side of the Allies in WW2 (just as Serbia did in WW1)

There are some people below who represent other countries who cannot claim the same thing.

Stop the Bullsh*t

sj

pre 6 godina

(Free, 25 May 2017 11:42)

At least most Serbs remained Serbs after the Ottomans took over unlike the Albos who dropped their pants then bent over for the Turks and became Muslims then when the communists took over they all became communists and in the end got nothing out.
No the Nazis would not have touched Serbia if that pact was intact. It was only after Mi5 organised student protests declaring they wanted war and not the pact. Are all Albos historically ignorant as you?
No little man NATO cannot do what it wants. There are strict conditions on any part of NATO moving on Serbian road systems plus it can be rescinded at short notice. To balance that out Serbia also gave Russia the same deal including the humanitarian centre at Nis.
If Milosevic permitted NATO a military base in Serbia he could have done whatever he wanted with Albos and the west would have turned a blind eye. However, what is even more interesting is that NATO dropped all that depleted uranium and never cleaned it up so today Kosovo has the highest cancer rates in Europe and Albos still grovel at the feet of the west thanking them for doing that.
Since they paid to have the DU cleaned it up in Serbia proper and not in Kosovo, what does that mean? Does the west consider you worthwhile at all?

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

She explained how she called for certain files from the repository, but wrong papers were delivered and after reading them she was in shock to find out that Ante Pavelic was a British agent since the 1920s.
(sj, 25 May 2017 10:31)

Interesting, there are also rumors about Marshal Tito who may not even been Croatian/Slovenian. Nobody could recognize his accent from any region in the former Yugoslavia. Regardless, Ante Pavelic was protected by the Catholic Church through the ratlines led by Krunoslav Draganovic.

Jugoslavija

pre 6 godina

Of course, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia cowardly signed the tripartite pact to allow the Nazis to pass through Yugoslavia to attack Greece. It's great, as always, when even the CE of B92 forums sj confirms that.
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The reason why it was signed is valid.
(sj, 24 May 2017 15:13)

Yugoslavia cowardly agreeing to help the Nazis to attack a Yugoslavia's neighbor is valid?! That's a bit weird considering that the most patriotic of Serbs call some other Balkans countries Nazi collaborators for actions taken by puppet governments!!!
(icj1, 25 May 2017 15:18)

The toilet paper "historian" is at it again. Albania declared war on the US in 1941 after King Zog fled to Greece and the Italian and Albanian fascists formed a union. Hitler had no intention to go through Yugoslavia to Greece, it was Russia that he needed this transit route more. Italy and Albania tried to invade Greece and were soundly trounced. The Coup d'etat in Yugoslavia gave Hitler the perfect excuse to kill two countries with one stone with the help of Bulgaria and Hungary.

sj

pre 6 godina

You can't distinguish nationality from religion or politics. Religions or politics are like clothes. You change them when the climate changes. But we never killed our brothers because they have different religion.

Albania joined NATO and got Kosovo. You signed treaties with both NATO and Russia and still lost Kosovo. And you brag about it.
(Free, 25 May 2017 15:10)

All you guys got was depleted uranium but are too dumb to realise it.