Gruevski: Drop Tirana Platform and I'll back minority govt

Ok Mr Guverski let me ask you this:

If Albanians are 28 to 32% of population why not have Albanian as National language, what is so wrong with it - Serbs in Kosovo have 5% and have their language.

To my Serbian friends would Serbia ever accept such platform to have Kosovo part of Serbia?

1. Albanian Language official language of Serbia
2. Parliamentary seats reserved for Albanians
3. Kosovo have its own autonomy
4. New Constitution where albanians are integral part of State of Serbia
5. 2/3 Albanians to change Serbian constiution etc etc?


....

Non of this is practical hence independance, and many Serbian politicians know it!

Free

What is wrong with you albanians? How can this internal Macedonians issue be Serbias fault? No matter what happens in the balkans, either berween albanians and croats or bosnjaks and Sloveniens are who ever its always Serbias fault. This was even a suggestion by Tirana yet Serbia is to blame. Its known to everyone the greater Albania ambitions. Albanians are the biggest problem in the balkans. Always have been and always will be.

It is NOT in Albanians interest to destroy Macedonia. Partition of Macedonia will be followed by partition of Kosovo. This is NOT in Albanians interest.

And why Albanians would destroy a country to gain a minor part of it when today the whole country can`t have a goverment without Albanians` approval?

Perhaps more interested in Macedonia partition is someone in Sofia, who wants to have the major part of Macedonia without Albanians` influence, and someone in Belgrade and Banja Luka who wants partition of Kosovo and partition of BH. Macedonians are not stupid. The know that, and that`s why they don`t like serb politicians either.

The false propaganda "Give them a finger they take the arm" is very stupid. Serbs lost Kosovo the day they sent the Army there. Till 1997 the absolute majority of Albanians supported Rugova who was for peaceful solution. Serbia accused all Albanians as terrorists and left them no choice but to join UCK.
Thank you! Now Kosovo is independent (by the way Thank you! Bangladesh, n.o 114).

Gruevski`s self-sacrifice is a hypocrisy for the simple reason that a government without Albanians is against Macedonian Constituion. That would bring back 2001 and THAT would be the end of Macedonia.

(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

Instead of you yapping 17%, 18% or whatever, do population registry . Then will see what is what . The only country in Europe who refuses to do the registry is Macedonia. Why ???

The last resort of a scoundrel is nationalism. Gruevski has gone full blown nationalist. It's all BS. As a matter of fact the language laws that Gruevski and Zaev agreed are almost exactly the same. What Gruevski didn't agree to was the continuation of the mandate of the special prosecutor. In order to save his own skin, now he's become a full blown nationalist. Next thing you'll hear from is that he and his sons will go to war.

Macedonia has the chance to be a sort of Switzerland if they play things right. Treat everyone equally, and you automatically de-legitimize any extremrsist agenda. Democracies will back you. Deny other their rights and you have a powder keg. Equal rights, and you have economic and social progress.

By introducing Albanian as an official language, you are creating further ethnic division across Macedonia. At the end of the day, they should respect the laws of the constitution and learn the Macedonian language and unify the country instead of further dividing the country and living your "Greater Albania" dream. Because if this continues it will lead to bloodshed!!!!
(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

Do you know how many languages are official in Switzerland!? Stop talking /writing nonsense,

Hank

No one cares what serbs think or say. You are a thing of the past. We are the future

There is nothing wrong from Albania pretending that Albanians should have the same rights as Macedonians. Why speak Albanian not Macedonian( Bulgarian northern dialect ) we did not chose to live there we forced to live there. And we want our rights!
But especially I agree with : Serbia of allegedly committing "genocide" against Albanians in Macedonia between 1912 and 1956.

Hank the tank
And where did i said the crisis in Macedonia is "Serbia`s fault"?

I said that some Serb politicians are using "Greater Albania" and "Macedonia division" propaganda to put forward their daydream for the partition of Kosovo and BH. None of them will be divided. That means war and that would be disastrous for all. Miloshevic`s days are over.

And it`s Albanians` fault for what Serbia did in Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia?
Is it Albanians` fault that you had several wars with Bulgaria?
Is it Albanians` fault that neither Macedonia nor Montenegro want to live under the "same roof" with Serbia?

Then why all of them (except for BH) have recognoized Kosovo?

I`m not saying that Serbia is the sole culprit for wars in Yugoslavia. The main culprit, yes.

Serbia was the most powerful state and used its superiority to suppress the other nationalities mercilessly.

Free

You must suffer from amnesia. Why do you even mention serbs in your comment is beyond me:

"and someone in Belgrade and Banja Luka who wants partition of Kosovo and partition .... bla bla bla"

Instead of making what you have bettet - Albania - your main focus is destroying what others created - Macedonia. Where is Albanias EU negotiations? How come Albania hasn't movies forward in decades? Still poor, isolated and a magnet for corruption and crime.

If it is for Gruevski with his mentslity, Macedonia has no chance to survive as a country but be split in ethnic lines. The time where Albanians are belittled are gone. I see Macedonia as country like Switzerland which can work for everyone living in peace and harmony, where Albanians living in Macedonia feeling equal to their co-citizen with slavic Macedonians.

There is no Macedonia with out the Albanians. I am sorry to say but we cannot be one country without them . One example "Yugoslavia" come on Think and be smart about it . Can we exist without them in Macedonia???

Looks like Macedonian's are kissing Albo butt, not sure why they bother.
Golden Eagle how old are you, judging by your hate posts it appears you are aged in your teenage years with an IQ matching equivalent.

28%-32%?? Are Albanians in Macedonia living in a fantasy land? You are 16-17% of the population. In other words below the agreed minority in the Ohrid Framework Agreement of 25%. Hence the reason Albanians either make their way from Switzerland and Austria to conduct a census and if things go pear shaped for them the Albanian parties call for these procedures to be abandoned.

By introducing Albanian as an official language, you are creating further ethnic division across Macedonia. At the end of the day, they should respect the laws of the constitution and learn the Macedonian language and unify the country instead of further dividing the country and living your "Greater Albania" dream. Because if this continues it will lead to bloodshed!!!!

you are a minority of Macedonia..the majority of you came as refugees from Kosovo in the late 90's early 2000's...you escaped persecution from the Serbs...You Albanians are all the same...you're given a finger and you take an arm..Respect your rights in Macedonia as a minority...and that's when you'll be treated equally!!!!
(Sun of Kukush, 1 March 2017 00:25)

Wow. Albania must have had like 50 million people. The Kosova Albanians according to the Serbs, all 2 million of them illegally crossed the border under Tito. Now according to you all the Albanians in Macedonia came from Kosova when Serbia ethnically cleansed them. Yet Kosova's population did get halved. That means Albania furnished Kosova with another million to keep the population stable. At the same time since Albanians population didn't go down by a factor of three, then Albania somehow increased its population by 3 million. This is not even counting Albanians in Montenegro, and those that actually we know for sure migrated to Greece, Italy, Switzerland etc. This is not counting those that were ethnically cleansed to Turkey by Serbia from 1912-1945. This is not counting the Chams that were ethnically cleansed by Greece from WWI till after WWII.So Albania was a country of 50 million and only you and the Serbs knew this. Who would have thought. Macedonia has the potential to be a unifier in the region if they respect language rights and equality. That's all it has to do.

В конце XVIII в. появилось, а в течение первой половины XIX в. закрепилось самоназвание албанцев «шчиптар» (или «шкиптар») — shqiptar и наименование страны Шчиперия (или Шкиперия) — Shqipëria. «Shqip», «shqiptoj» означает «произносить», «выговаривать», т. е. «говорить ясно, понятно».

http://tureks.ru/2012/05/proisxozhdenie-albancev/

At the end of the XVIII century appeared, and in the first half of the nineteenth century entrenched self-Albanians "scepter" (or "scepter") — shqiptar and the name of the country Shqiperia (or Shqiperia) — Shqipëria. "Shqip", "shqiptoj" means "to utter", "pronounce", i.e. "to speak plainly, I see."

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Në fund të shekullit XVIII u shfaq, dhe në gjysmën e parë të shekullit të xix-të ngulitura të vetë Shqiptarëve "skeptër" (ose "skeptër") — shqiptar dhe emrit të vendit, Shqipëria (apo Shqipëria) — Shqipëria. "Shqip", "shqiptoj" do të thotë "të plotë", "të shpallë", gjegjësisht "për të folur qartë, unë shoh."

The cancer has started in FYROM.
Give a little then the Shiptars start to take a lot.
And i say neka (why not?)
Mako government wants to recognize Kosovo* so i say suffer with your cancer problem as it will only get bigger in years to come.
Shame on FYROM

(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

Instead of you yapping 17%, 18% or whatever, do population registry . Then will see what is what . The only country in Europe who refuses to do the registry is Macedonia. Why ???
(Shkupi, 28 February 2017 13:14)

I was stationed in Macedonia during the war in Kosova/o. From what I could tell there were about an equal number of Albanians as there were Macedonians. The US Army also had noted this in their briefings to us before we deployed. The problem is the Macedonians have their head in the sand and refuse to have a legitimate census.

(rote, 28 February 2017 18:26)

English only... HELLO

I will continue to yap about my 17-18% minority....Who cares about Switzerland...the day Albanians actually learn to respect the country they live in which is Macedonia and the official language is Macedonian...then unity will be just...rather than having massive signs in Tetovo and Struga saying "Please respect our rights and speak Albanian"..I've got a newsflash for you Shiptari...You Live in the Republic of Macedonia...you are a minority of Macedonia..the majority of you came as refugees from Kosovo in the late 90's early 2000's...you escaped persecution from the Serbs...You Albanians are all the same...you're given a finger and you take an arm..Respect your rights in Macedonia as a minority...and that's when you'll be treated equally!!!!

I think we should all go to war again! Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia, Bosnia... Let's go as far backwards as we can and make sure that life is even more miserable so that Western Europe can take more advantage and tell us all what to do even more! Maybe we can all aim for 75% unemployment by the year 2025! Blah blah blah, my language your language. All this fighting can go on forever without a single winner. Just get your damn economies together and get jobs for people! You'll see how quickly language and nationality won't matter when you're not struggling to eat everyday.

rote

Hello: English only... HELLO

Descriptions of the campaigns of Alexander appeared in the West "in translation from Greek" only allegedly of the XV-th century. The environment in which they emerged, quite clearly explains why "Alexander the great" in them partially charged Mohammed II and, mainly, with Suleiman the Magnificent. The fact that "translating the classics" Greek, in particular, the famous cardinal Bessarion, who moved from Byzantium to Italy after the capture of Constantinople by Mohammed II in 1453. Vissarion, by the way, brought to the West and Ptolemy's Almagest ... in Tsar Grad in front of the Ottoman=ataman conquest of Constantinople in 1453 there were two parties - the Ottoman and Latin. Defeated the Ottoman, and Bessarion belonged to the Latin and longed for revenge ... he and other "COMPARED to the TURKS WITH the ANCIENT PERSIANS OR BARBARIANS-MACEDONIANS" ... the Ottomans=atamans of the XV century and was "ancient" Macedonians. By the way, the conquest of Constantinople in 1453, they were indeed from the Balkans, from Macedonia. Note that near the Balkans Macedonia is the Albanian city of Tirana, whose name frankly sounds like Tiras and the city = the city the Turks ... The book of Demosthenes with a review of Vissarion is still kept in the archives of the Vatican library ... Vissarion, he wrote or significantly edited the book "ancient Demosthenes", presenting it to contemporary events.

http://chronologia.org/seven5_1/im/5k1-13-02.jpg

Gruevskis has spend too much time on his antiquization program creating a false history via his Las Vegas style 2014 program. he has alienated the Albanians. Let us not forget that Albanians are indigenous. They either change their name and destroy their Italian reproduction statues and become an inclusive society or the country will disintegrate. Had Gruevski not forged along with brainwashing of his population and his cultural theft, this ould not have happened. Right now the country is a basket case with no positive future. The Albanians are on standby. 2001 was merely a warning. The USA has proven loyalty to the Albanians in Kosovo. They would not hesitate to fund an offensive against Slavic Macedonia in the name of selling arms. It will all turn nasty. They need to change their name. They need to remove all reference to antiquity. They need to embrace the Albanians. They need to make friends with their neighbors. Politicians like Ljubo Georgievski and Zoran Zaev, although extremely different to each other, offer hope. The Slavic population must swallow their pride and listen to the world. Irredentist and antiquization platforms need to be eradicated. Albanians and Turks make up 35% of Slavic Macedonia's population. This is too high of a percentage to ignore. They either work with their minority groups or the territory will be partitioned via a nasty civil war. Think twice Slavic Macedonia before commissioning another statue from the Italians and naming another airport.

MACEDONIA-ALBANIA

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ОПИСАНИЯ походов Александра появились на Западе "в переводе с греческого" лишь якобы с XV-го (а на самом деле с XVI-го) века. Обстановка, в которой они возникли, достаточно ясно объясняет, почему "Александр Македонский" в них частично списан с Магомета II и, в основном, с Сулеймана Великолепного. Дело в том, что "переводил классиков" с греческого, в частности, известный кардинал Виссарион, переехавший из Византии в Италию после захвата Константинополя Магометом II в 1453 году. Виссарион, кстати, привез на Запад и птолемеевский Альмагест ... в Царь-Граде перед османским=атаманским завоеванием 1453 года появилось две партии - османская и латинская. Победила османская, а Виссарион принадлежал к латинской и жаждал реванша ... он и другие "СРАВНИВАЛИ ТУРОК С ДРЕВНИМИ ПЕРСАМИ ИЛИ ВАРВАРАМИ-МАКЕДОНЦАМИ" ... османы=атаманы XV века и были "античными" македонцами. Кстати, на завоевание Константинополя в 1453 году они шли именно с Балкан, со стороны Македонии. Отметим, что недалеко от балканской Македонии расположен албанский город Тирана, название которого откровенно звучит как город Тираса = город турок ... Книга Демосфена с комментариями Виссариона до сих пор хранится в архивах Ватиканской библиотеки ... Виссарион, сам написал или значительно отредактировал книгу "античного Демосфена", излагая в ней современные ему события.

http://chronologia.org/seven5_1/im/5k1-13-02.jpg
http://chronologia.org/seven5_1/imperia1306.html

28%-32%?? Are Albanians in Macedonia living in a fantasy land? You are 16-17% of the population. In other words below the agreed minority in the Ohrid Framework Agreement of 25%. Hence the reason Albanians either make their way from Switzerland and Austria to conduct a census and if things go pear shaped for them the Albanian parties call for these procedures to be abandoned.

At the end of the day, they should respect the laws of the constitution and learn the Macedonian language and unify the country instead of further dividing the country
(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

So lets say they are 25% or even 20% why not have official language Swiss for starters is not a divided country wish Macedonia did not try to impose their language either on Albanians and they learned Albanian as well like Kids in Swiss do. As per them living in Austria they are still Macedonian citizens and should have a say in their country.

2013, native speakers of German (chiefly Swiss German, though Standard German is also understood) number about 5 million (63.5%); French (mostly Swiss French, but including some Arpitan dialects) number 1.8 million (22.5%); Italian (mostly Swiss Italian, but including Lombard dialects), 645,000 (8.1%); and Romansh, 40,000 (0.5%).

So 8% speak italian and its official language in documents interesting.

If you want to join EU you wont be able by discriminating and by the way change the name of country and move on.

I've got a newsflash for you Shiptari...You Live in the Republic of Macedonia...you are a minority of Macedonia
(Sun of Kukush, 1 March 2017 00:25)

The only people in Macedonia who speak like that are refugees from Serbia or Bulgaria who have inflitrated the so-called nationalist parties in Macedonia. The real Macedonians are not Slavic, but Slavic speakers with Illyrian ancestry. Real Macedonians want the ancient Albanian Illyrian language to be official in Macedonia. The new government will be formed because it has the support of the majority of the people in Macedonia. A few radicals will bark, but they cannot stop democracy.

The Macedonians Slavs blame everyone but themselves. Conspiracy theories abound. Its Soros's fault. Its Greece's fault. Its Bulgaria's fault. Its Serbia's fault. Its the Albanian's fault. It's Zaev's fault. Its Hillary's fault. Wake up you mules. Its your own fault. Blame Gruevski and your false history. You were the first to recognize Kosovo. Prostitutes. The country has already destroyed itself. When they allowed Gruevski to erect cheap Italian statues of Hellenic figures the place was doomed. we said nothing. money spent falsifying a history. Anything that happens to Macedonia is your own fault, brainwashed and Gruevski. I wonder what Gruev and Delchev would have made of this mess. The diaspora cultural criminals are also to blame. They left here years ago now fancy themselves as history professors. Let the Albanians have it. your greed for Hellenic history and digging for something older that wasn't there has cost you your country. Admire Gruevski's statues and read your false encyclopedias because that's all that is left.
“Goce Delchev and Dame Gruev used to pass Death Sentences to those who claimed the blood of Alexander runs in us“. You made Greater Albania possible by your actions. Don't blame Albania. Don't blame the Greeks. Don't blame Zaev. Don't blame Georgievski. Blame yourselves. You fly a flag with a Hellenic symbol (the star of Vergina). Shame on you. Our flag is a gold lion on a red background not some Hellenistic symbol. You are all embarrassing.

Kosovo's population is only around 1.7 million and not 2 million. Also, the Albanian population in Macedonia is much lower than 25%. They cheated and put a whole bunch of Kosovo Albanians on the census and in they were involved in voter fraud too.
Macedonia now has measures to prevent that which is why a new census is being delayed.
Also, Albanians are still leaving Albania for the UK and other countries. Albanians are the #1 caught illegal migrants into the UK.

Hank

No one cares what serbs think or say. You are a thing of the past. We are the future

28%-32%?? Are Albanians in Macedonia living in a fantasy land? You are 16-17% of the population. In other words below the agreed minority in the Ohrid Framework Agreement of 25%. Hence the reason Albanians either make their way from Switzerland and Austria to conduct a census and if things go pear shaped for them the Albanian parties call for these procedures to be abandoned.

By introducing Albanian as an official language, you are creating further ethnic division across Macedonia. At the end of the day, they should respect the laws of the constitution and learn the Macedonian language and unify the country instead of further dividing the country and living your "Greater Albania" dream. Because if this continues it will lead to bloodshed!!!!

Hank the tank
And where did i said the crisis in Macedonia is "Serbia`s fault"?

I said that some Serb politicians are using "Greater Albania" and "Macedonia division" propaganda to put forward their daydream for the partition of Kosovo and BH. None of them will be divided. That means war and that would be disastrous for all. Miloshevic`s days are over.

And it`s Albanians` fault for what Serbia did in Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia?
Is it Albanians` fault that you had several wars with Bulgaria?
Is it Albanians` fault that neither Macedonia nor Montenegro want to live under the "same roof" with Serbia?

Then why all of them (except for BH) have recognoized Kosovo?

I`m not saying that Serbia is the sole culprit for wars in Yugoslavia. The main culprit, yes.

Serbia was the most powerful state and used its superiority to suppress the other nationalities mercilessly.

Free

What is wrong with you albanians? How can this internal Macedonians issue be Serbias fault? No matter what happens in the balkans, either berween albanians and croats or bosnjaks and Sloveniens are who ever its always Serbias fault. This was even a suggestion by Tirana yet Serbia is to blame. Its known to everyone the greater Albania ambitions. Albanians are the biggest problem in the balkans. Always have been and always will be.

It is NOT in Albanians interest to destroy Macedonia. Partition of Macedonia will be followed by partition of Kosovo. This is NOT in Albanians interest.

And why Albanians would destroy a country to gain a minor part of it when today the whole country can`t have a goverment without Albanians` approval?

Perhaps more interested in Macedonia partition is someone in Sofia, who wants to have the major part of Macedonia without Albanians` influence, and someone in Belgrade and Banja Luka who wants partition of Kosovo and partition of BH. Macedonians are not stupid. The know that, and that`s why they don`t like serb politicians either.

The false propaganda "Give them a finger they take the arm" is very stupid. Serbs lost Kosovo the day they sent the Army there. Till 1997 the absolute majority of Albanians supported Rugova who was for peaceful solution. Serbia accused all Albanians as terrorists and left them no choice but to join UCK.
Thank you! Now Kosovo is independent (by the way Thank you! Bangladesh, n.o 114).

Gruevski`s self-sacrifice is a hypocrisy for the simple reason that a government without Albanians is against Macedonian Constituion. That would bring back 2001 and THAT would be the end of Macedonia.

Looks like Macedonian's are kissing Albo butt, not sure why they bother.
Golden Eagle how old are you, judging by your hate posts it appears you are aged in your teenage years with an IQ matching equivalent.

Free

You must suffer from amnesia. Why do you even mention serbs in your comment is beyond me:

"and someone in Belgrade and Banja Luka who wants partition of Kosovo and partition .... bla bla bla"

Instead of making what you have bettet - Albania - your main focus is destroying what others created - Macedonia. Where is Albanias EU negotiations? How come Albania hasn't movies forward in decades? Still poor, isolated and a magnet for corruption and crime.

There is no Macedonia with out the Albanians. I am sorry to say but we cannot be one country without them . One example "Yugoslavia" come on Think and be smart about it . Can we exist without them in Macedonia???

By introducing Albanian as an official language, you are creating further ethnic division across Macedonia. At the end of the day, they should respect the laws of the constitution and learn the Macedonian language and unify the country instead of further dividing the country and living your "Greater Albania" dream. Because if this continues it will lead to bloodshed!!!!
(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

Do you know how many languages are official in Switzerland!? Stop talking /writing nonsense,

you are a minority of Macedonia..the majority of you came as refugees from Kosovo in the late 90's early 2000's...you escaped persecution from the Serbs...You Albanians are all the same...you're given a finger and you take an arm..Respect your rights in Macedonia as a minority...and that's when you'll be treated equally!!!!
(Sun of Kukush, 1 March 2017 00:25)

Wow. Albania must have had like 50 million people. The Kosova Albanians according to the Serbs, all 2 million of them illegally crossed the border under Tito. Now according to you all the Albanians in Macedonia came from Kosova when Serbia ethnically cleansed them. Yet Kosova's population did get halved. That means Albania furnished Kosova with another million to keep the population stable. At the same time since Albanians population didn't go down by a factor of three, then Albania somehow increased its population by 3 million. This is not even counting Albanians in Montenegro, and those that actually we know for sure migrated to Greece, Italy, Switzerland etc. This is not counting those that were ethnically cleansed to Turkey by Serbia from 1912-1945. This is not counting the Chams that were ethnically cleansed by Greece from WWI till after WWII.So Albania was a country of 50 million and only you and the Serbs knew this. Who would have thought. Macedonia has the potential to be a unifier in the region if they respect language rights and equality. That's all it has to do.

There is nothing wrong from Albania pretending that Albanians should have the same rights as Macedonians. Why speak Albanian not Macedonian( Bulgarian northern dialect ) we did not chose to live there we forced to live there. And we want our rights!
But especially I agree with : Serbia of allegedly committing "genocide" against Albanians in Macedonia between 1912 and 1956.

I will continue to yap about my 17-18% minority....Who cares about Switzerland...the day Albanians actually learn to respect the country they live in which is Macedonia and the official language is Macedonian...then unity will be just...rather than having massive signs in Tetovo and Struga saying "Please respect our rights and speak Albanian"..I've got a newsflash for you Shiptari...You Live in the Republic of Macedonia...you are a minority of Macedonia..the majority of you came as refugees from Kosovo in the late 90's early 2000's...you escaped persecution from the Serbs...You Albanians are all the same...you're given a finger and you take an arm..Respect your rights in Macedonia as a minority...and that's when you'll be treated equally!!!!

The cancer has started in FYROM.
Give a little then the Shiptars start to take a lot.
And i say neka (why not?)
Mako government wants to recognize Kosovo* so i say suffer with your cancer problem as it will only get bigger in years to come.
Shame on FYROM

В конце XVIII в. появилось, а в течение первой половины XIX в. закрепилось самоназвание албанцев «шчиптар» (или «шкиптар») — shqiptar и наименование страны Шчиперия (или Шкиперия) — Shqipëria. «Shqip», «shqiptoj» означает «произносить», «выговаривать», т. е. «говорить ясно, понятно».

http://tureks.ru/2012/05/proisxozhdenie-albancev/

At the end of the XVIII century appeared, and in the first half of the nineteenth century entrenched self-Albanians "scepter" (or "scepter") — shqiptar and the name of the country Shqiperia (or Shqiperia) — Shqipëria. "Shqip", "shqiptoj" means "to utter", "pronounce", i.e. "to speak plainly, I see."

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Në fund të shekullit XVIII u shfaq, dhe në gjysmën e parë të shekullit të xix-të ngulitura të vetë Shqiptarëve "skeptër" (ose "skeptër") — shqiptar dhe emrit të vendit, Shqipëria (apo Shqipëria) — Shqipëria. "Shqip", "shqiptoj" do të thotë "të plotë", "të shpallë", gjegjësisht "për të folur qartë, unë shoh."

MACEDONIA-ALBANIA

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ОПИСАНИЯ походов Александра появились на Западе "в переводе с греческого" лишь якобы с XV-го (а на самом деле с XVI-го) века. Обстановка, в которой они возникли, достаточно ясно объясняет, почему "Александр Македонский" в них частично списан с Магомета II и, в основном, с Сулеймана Великолепного. Дело в том, что "переводил классиков" с греческого, в частности, известный кардинал Виссарион, переехавший из Византии в Италию после захвата Константинополя Магометом II в 1453 году. Виссарион, кстати, привез на Запад и птолемеевский Альмагест ... в Царь-Граде перед османским=атаманским завоеванием 1453 года появилось две партии - османская и латинская. Победила османская, а Виссарион принадлежал к латинской и жаждал реванша ... он и другие "СРАВНИВАЛИ ТУРОК С ДРЕВНИМИ ПЕРСАМИ ИЛИ ВАРВАРАМИ-МАКЕДОНЦАМИ" ... османы=атаманы XV века и были "античными" македонцами. Кстати, на завоевание Константинополя в 1453 году они шли именно с Балкан, со стороны Македонии. Отметим, что недалеко от балканской Македонии расположен албанский город Тирана, название которого откровенно звучит как город Тираса = город турок ... Книга Демосфена с комментариями Виссариона до сих пор хранится в архивах Ватиканской библиотеки ... Виссарион, сам написал или значительно отредактировал книгу "античного Демосфена", излагая в ней современные ему события.

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If it is for Gruevski with his mentslity, Macedonia has no chance to survive as a country but be split in ethnic lines. The time where Albanians are belittled are gone. I see Macedonia as country like Switzerland which can work for everyone living in peace and harmony, where Albanians living in Macedonia feeling equal to their co-citizen with slavic Macedonians.

The last resort of a scoundrel is nationalism. Gruevski has gone full blown nationalist. It's all BS. As a matter of fact the language laws that Gruevski and Zaev agreed are almost exactly the same. What Gruevski didn't agree to was the continuation of the mandate of the special prosecutor. In order to save his own skin, now he's become a full blown nationalist. Next thing you'll hear from is that he and his sons will go to war.

Macedonia has the chance to be a sort of Switzerland if they play things right. Treat everyone equally, and you automatically de-legitimize any extremrsist agenda. Democracies will back you. Deny other their rights and you have a powder keg. Equal rights, and you have economic and social progress.

Ok Mr Guverski let me ask you this:

If Albanians are 28 to 32% of population why not have Albanian as National language, what is so wrong with it - Serbs in Kosovo have 5% and have their language.

To my Serbian friends would Serbia ever accept such platform to have Kosovo part of Serbia?

1. Albanian Language official language of Serbia
2. Parliamentary seats reserved for Albanians
3. Kosovo have its own autonomy
4. New Constitution where albanians are integral part of State of Serbia
5. 2/3 Albanians to change Serbian constiution etc etc?


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Non of this is practical hence independance, and many Serbian politicians know it!

(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

Instead of you yapping 17%, 18% or whatever, do population registry . Then will see what is what . The only country in Europe who refuses to do the registry is Macedonia. Why ???
(Shkupi, 28 February 2017 13:14)

I was stationed in Macedonia during the war in Kosova/o. From what I could tell there were about an equal number of Albanians as there were Macedonians. The US Army also had noted this in their briefings to us before we deployed. The problem is the Macedonians have their head in the sand and refuse to have a legitimate census.

I've got a newsflash for you Shiptari...You Live in the Republic of Macedonia...you are a minority of Macedonia
(Sun of Kukush, 1 March 2017 00:25)

The only people in Macedonia who speak like that are refugees from Serbia or Bulgaria who have inflitrated the so-called nationalist parties in Macedonia. The real Macedonians are not Slavic, but Slavic speakers with Illyrian ancestry. Real Macedonians want the ancient Albanian Illyrian language to be official in Macedonia. The new government will be formed because it has the support of the majority of the people in Macedonia. A few radicals will bark, but they cannot stop democracy.

28%-32%?? Are Albanians in Macedonia living in a fantasy land? You are 16-17% of the population. In other words below the agreed minority in the Ohrid Framework Agreement of 25%. Hence the reason Albanians either make their way from Switzerland and Austria to conduct a census and if things go pear shaped for them the Albanian parties call for these procedures to be abandoned.

At the end of the day, they should respect the laws of the constitution and learn the Macedonian language and unify the country instead of further dividing the country
(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

So lets say they are 25% or even 20% why not have official language Swiss for starters is not a divided country wish Macedonia did not try to impose their language either on Albanians and they learned Albanian as well like Kids in Swiss do. As per them living in Austria they are still Macedonian citizens and should have a say in their country.

2013, native speakers of German (chiefly Swiss German, though Standard German is also understood) number about 5 million (63.5%); French (mostly Swiss French, but including some Arpitan dialects) number 1.8 million (22.5%); Italian (mostly Swiss Italian, but including Lombard dialects), 645,000 (8.1%); and Romansh, 40,000 (0.5%).

So 8% speak italian and its official language in documents interesting.

If you want to join EU you wont be able by discriminating and by the way change the name of country and move on.

rote

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Descriptions of the campaigns of Alexander appeared in the West "in translation from Greek" only allegedly of the XV-th century. The environment in which they emerged, quite clearly explains why "Alexander the great" in them partially charged Mohammed II and, mainly, with Suleiman the Magnificent. The fact that "translating the classics" Greek, in particular, the famous cardinal Bessarion, who moved from Byzantium to Italy after the capture of Constantinople by Mohammed II in 1453. Vissarion, by the way, brought to the West and Ptolemy's Almagest ... in Tsar Grad in front of the Ottoman=ataman conquest of Constantinople in 1453 there were two parties - the Ottoman and Latin. Defeated the Ottoman, and Bessarion belonged to the Latin and longed for revenge ... he and other "COMPARED to the TURKS WITH the ANCIENT PERSIANS OR BARBARIANS-MACEDONIANS" ... the Ottomans=atamans of the XV century and was "ancient" Macedonians. By the way, the conquest of Constantinople in 1453, they were indeed from the Balkans, from Macedonia. Note that near the Balkans Macedonia is the Albanian city of Tirana, whose name frankly sounds like Tiras and the city = the city the Turks ... The book of Demosthenes with a review of Vissarion is still kept in the archives of the Vatican library ... Vissarion, he wrote or significantly edited the book "ancient Demosthenes", presenting it to contemporary events.

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Gruevskis has spend too much time on his antiquization program creating a false history via his Las Vegas style 2014 program. he has alienated the Albanians. Let us not forget that Albanians are indigenous. They either change their name and destroy their Italian reproduction statues and become an inclusive society or the country will disintegrate. Had Gruevski not forged along with brainwashing of his population and his cultural theft, this ould not have happened. Right now the country is a basket case with no positive future. The Albanians are on standby. 2001 was merely a warning. The USA has proven loyalty to the Albanians in Kosovo. They would not hesitate to fund an offensive against Slavic Macedonia in the name of selling arms. It will all turn nasty. They need to change their name. They need to remove all reference to antiquity. They need to embrace the Albanians. They need to make friends with their neighbors. Politicians like Ljubo Georgievski and Zoran Zaev, although extremely different to each other, offer hope. The Slavic population must swallow their pride and listen to the world. Irredentist and antiquization platforms need to be eradicated. Albanians and Turks make up 35% of Slavic Macedonia's population. This is too high of a percentage to ignore. They either work with their minority groups or the territory will be partitioned via a nasty civil war. Think twice Slavic Macedonia before commissioning another statue from the Italians and naming another airport.

The Macedonians Slavs blame everyone but themselves. Conspiracy theories abound. Its Soros's fault. Its Greece's fault. Its Bulgaria's fault. Its Serbia's fault. Its the Albanian's fault. It's Zaev's fault. Its Hillary's fault. Wake up you mules. Its your own fault. Blame Gruevski and your false history. You were the first to recognize Kosovo. Prostitutes. The country has already destroyed itself. When they allowed Gruevski to erect cheap Italian statues of Hellenic figures the place was doomed. we said nothing. money spent falsifying a history. Anything that happens to Macedonia is your own fault, brainwashed and Gruevski. I wonder what Gruev and Delchev would have made of this mess. The diaspora cultural criminals are also to blame. They left here years ago now fancy themselves as history professors. Let the Albanians have it. your greed for Hellenic history and digging for something older that wasn't there has cost you your country. Admire Gruevski's statues and read your false encyclopedias because that's all that is left.
“Goce Delchev and Dame Gruev used to pass Death Sentences to those who claimed the blood of Alexander runs in us“. You made Greater Albania possible by your actions. Don't blame Albania. Don't blame the Greeks. Don't blame Zaev. Don't blame Georgievski. Blame yourselves. You fly a flag with a Hellenic symbol (the star of Vergina). Shame on you. Our flag is a gold lion on a red background not some Hellenistic symbol. You are all embarrassing.

(Sun of Kukush, 28 February 2017 01:25)

Instead of you yapping 17%, 18% or whatever, do population registry . Then will see what is what . The only country in Europe who refuses to do the registry is Macedonia. Why ???

I think we should all go to war again! Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia, Bosnia... Let's go as far backwards as we can and make sure that life is even more miserable so that Western Europe can take more advantage and tell us all what to do even more! Maybe we can all aim for 75% unemployment by the year 2025! Blah blah blah, my language your language. All this fighting can go on forever without a single winner. Just get your damn economies together and get jobs for people! You'll see how quickly language and nationality won't matter when you're not struggling to eat everyday.

(rote, 28 February 2017 18:26)

English only... HELLO

Kosovo's population is only around 1.7 million and not 2 million. Also, the Albanian population in Macedonia is much lower than 25%. They cheated and put a whole bunch of Kosovo Albanians on the census and in they were involved in voter fraud too.
Macedonia now has measures to prevent that which is why a new census is being delayed.
Also, Albanians are still leaving Albania for the UK and other countries. Albanians are the #1 caught illegal migrants into the UK.