US congressman thinks Macedonia is "not a country"

Albanians must be United, that's not something anyone can prevent from happening.
(Guest, 8 February 2017 12:16)

By all means I believe you should be united. United back in Albania. In fact the best way to ensure that is for you to try to make Greater Albania, and once Serbia, Macedonia, Greece, Montenegro and NATO blow your dreams up in flames, the endless line of wretched looking refugees streaming towards Tirana will be a beautiful sight to behold among millions of Europeans. Remember when Germans tried that? Yeah, good times :)

"Macedonia was created with one purpose: to not let albanians and bulgarians claim their own land. The so called today's macedonians have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. It's the biggest history fabrication known to mankind. 90% of 'macedonian language' is bulgarian.

But even considering that, i dont think Macedonia should be divided, at least not now because it would cause destabilisation of the whole balkan. Unless a border change is put in action, in which case the circumstances would change.
(Revolution,"

You are not obviously knowledgeable of history. In 1912 when Macedonia was freed from Ottomans by Serb army. The very territory of what is nowdays Republic of Macedonia and it's border with Greece was created then. Macedonia was part of kingdom of Serbia. In (SFRJ) Yugoslavia Macedonia was created by communists as republic within federation and carved out from Serbia as KosMet (Autonomous Province). So, to conclude, Tito made Macedonia in order to make weak Serbia as it was his policy and people around him. For the same reason he did the same thing in case of AP KosMet and AP Vojvodina, Montenegro. Expulsion of Serbs from Krajina and Bosnia. We agree that myth of ancient Macedonias is just that- a myth. Also other nation in the region have same myths. Albanians, sounds familiar?

The biggest problem that I see here is Srps.
Srps are proven to be the biggest troublemakers ,bad luck nation ,in the region. They ,in any circumstance shouldn't be able to stick there nose there , otherwise it will end very bad.
(delon, 8 February 2017 20:23)
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In what way are Serbs going to be a problem with the issue of Macedonia?
On the contrary it's Albanians who are killing Macedonians there not Serbs. Albanians are the biggest plague in that region and indeed anywhere they have sizable numbers.

Macedonia was created with one purpose: to not let albanians and bulgarians claim their own land. The so called today's macedonians have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. It's the biggest history fabrication known to mankind. 90% of 'macedonian language' is bulgarian.

But even considering that, i dont think Macedonia should be divided, at least not now because it would cause destabilisation of the whole balkan. Unless a border change is put in action, in which case the circumstances would change.

Problem is not if Fyrom will get divided or not. Its an artificial entity and the divide of it will happen for sure, its just a question of WHEN. I think the real problem here is what will happen with all the brainwashed generation of slavic people in Fyrom that are filled with tales of Alexander the Great and other greeks history things. Someone from Bulgaria needs to slap them hard to waken them up from this madness :)

This man is in the pocket of the Albanian lobby and likely receives $$$ from the sale of heroin and the organs of dead civilians. FYRO Macedonia is not a country, but he wants part of it to join "kosovo*" which is far less of a country???

But the Slavs in FYROM do have an identity crisis issue. It's caused them to have spats with their Orthodox neighbors, while some in the Albanian community pay U.S. congressmen to call for the destruction of their country. And ultimately, if FYROM does fall apart, it will be due to the "antiquity movement" and Alexander the Great will not come from the dead to save them.

So let this Dana be a warning to the Slavs in FYROM. I hope the they get over their identity confusions and stop provoking Greece. Because I'll tell you who is not confused, Albanian nationalists. They know what they want and they are coming.

During the communist era in the SFRJ , serbs shoved down our throat these BS fake history
(Former YU citizen, 8 February 2017 15:44)

You have no idea what you are talking about. FYROM was historically always apart of Serbia. In fact, the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire is today's capital of FYROM!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Empire

But while that is ancient history, FYROM was part of the Kingdom of Serbia only 100 years ago!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Serbia

And you talk about some propaganda being shoved down your throats during SFRJ, but it was actually during this period of communism that the Slavs of FYROM began to de-Serbianize, due to policy coming out of communist-run Belgrade (sadly enough).

I grew up in a Mid-West city with a huge FYROMian diaspora. They are great people. But it is you who are today engaging in *fake history*. This backwards attitude is what's driving the militarization of Albanian nationalists in FYROM. They will take everything because you are no match for them. And it breaks my heart.

Albanians must be United, that's not something anyone can prevent from happening.
Otherwise, peace will not take place anytime soon.

Dark days are ahead, and no one really knows how things will develop after the war. Unless stupid americans expect changes in the borders to happen in a peaceful manner.

No one can draw borders on a map expecting nations engaged to just..move over.

War is coming, it will affect all balkans. Be prepared.

I am sorry but there is no such a thing Macedonian... you either slav ( then forget Alexander , ancient history , change the flag , ) or you are Macedonian ( then who's language , alphabet are you using ) ? And don't listen to ari gold, because he's acting like he's protecting you , meanwhile he's insulting you (fyrom) and taking the Greece side on this one . He knows that half of Macedonia belongs to the Albanians , and the other half to Bulgaria . He is bitter , sore , loser , with anger on him,

Albanians speak an indo european language that is isolated. Albanian language was written in 1210s as earliest. We are have always been here while serbs came from Afghanistan during the 8th century. Serbs Don't belong in the balkans
(Francis, 8 February 2017 16:23)
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We keep hearing this from you guys all the time but every time one of us asks you to provide evidence of that nothing happens.
So how about you provide evidence of your Albanian culture in that region and leave our history to us.

Personally Rohrabacher is a good man I think. Very often he openly says things that the rest of the US establishment hate to mention. But the US always had problems with geography, languages and history. So it's already good that he offered to grant Macedonia to Bulgaria but not to Papua New Guinea or Cameroon. Anyway something must be done with the frozen conflicts and the borders on the Balkans. This tense helps no one.

Macedonia was created with one purpose: to not let albanians and bulgarians claim their own land. The so called today's macedonians have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. It's the biggest history fabrication known to mankind. 90% of 'macedonian language' is bulgarian.

Important Correction:
App: 50-65% speak Bulgarian!!!
35-45% are Albanian speaking!
And I am of the opinion that for the time being the artificial state of Macedonia should not be split at least not for another 20-50 years. After democracy has set itself firmly into the Balkans many societies then we can call for a peaceful separation of the area thru a democratic referendum!!! I think many Albanians will understand my position!
The Balkans very own BIG3!

No Billy

Albanians speak an indo european language that is isolated. Albanian language was written in 1210s as earliest. We are have always been here while serbs came from Afghanistan during the 8th century. Serbs Don't belong in the balkans

That Danube-Morava-Vardar canal in the news has them dropping bricks. Notice the territories he proposes are along that way, no mention of RS, Bosnia, Krajina, Croatia or Montenegro. Look to Russia and China boys n girls, no more mistakes, remember British promises in WW1 and WW2. Be one of the first at the new table and not last at the old one.

(Bulgar of Ohrid, 8 February 2017 12:16)

Why does it have to come to war? Let's put the border between Albania and Bulgaria, and then no need to swap people around. Let them live in there own lands under a true democracy , if they like to move around then it's up to them .

For some cheap money this old corrupted man will say any kind of bullshit. It is a shame to the US Department of State to allow to this worthless person to be on such position.

The comments from this moron is to try and start what Soros and company could not, another ethic war in Balkans! Every time the US can't run pipelines or steal Oil the try to overthrow a uncooperative government. Don't fall for this Macedonia as you will draw in the Entire Balkan from Albania Serbia Croatia Greece Bosnia Kosovo Turkey Montenegro Slovenia Bulgaria, we all know how quickly things blow up in our region we all still have family in the region. Don't let them play us for fools again and rape our people and resources so a few can get richer!!!

I'm personally happy for this to happen..

But even in towns where Albanians are a majority Macedonians make up 20 to 40% and vice versa.. the only places whic are %100 Albanian are along or near the border.. eg Mala Recica, sipkovica, lipkovo, and Kondovo, Saraj and aricanovo near skopje. Hence I don't think this solution is possible without a massive population swap or a war between Bulgaria and Albania.. I think if it came ti the crunch both of those affected people would probably opt for leaving the Balkans all together as against dying or being uprooted from their homes..

While the US accused Russia of medeling in US and European countries national affairs, the State Department should heed its own advise and not medel in foreign countries internal affairs.

FYROM is a fake country! Marshal Tito of Yugoslavia created this fake country to attack and claim Greek territory during the 1950s. This was master planned by Tito and Stalin. FYROM are Bulgarians and they speak Bulgarian. Ancient Macedonians are Greek, they spoke Greek and always claimed to be Greeks!!

Yeah bring it on
We need more Albanian and Bulgarian manure to fertilize our macedonian roses

To all referring to us as "FYROM" or that we are not a nation or identity:

Speak only for yourself, not for others. Macedonians are Slavic people, related to Bulgarians and Serbians, but not Bulgarian nor Serbian. Very simple, end of story. Slavic Literacy and Culture was spread to Serbians and Bulgarians FROM the Macedonian population.

To Greeks: No, we are not direct descendants of alexander the great and neither are you, we have, however, been living in the Balkans for nearly a 1000 years since the Slavic migrations. We chose to adopt the name MACEDONIA and it's a name that you do not own.

I respect B92. Most of the time, its journalists try to be professional and unbiased. However, I have noticed that they use the term "Albanian terrorist" without giving much thought if that's a realistic description. Having said this, one would wonder about the following: if Albanians are called terrorist just because they try to defend their own land and people, then what about Serbs who have caused numerous cases of genocide?! Do we have to invent a new term for Serbs only? It's very disappointing that even B92 is prone to Balkan bickering.

Peggy

What is it? Angry that the serbs are declining and dissappearing while we albanians grow larger? Survival of the fittest. Living amongst predatory slavs and greeks has made albanians the ultimate survivors¨in the balkans. We have survived despite our neighbours attacked us all the time and tried to steal our land. We will unite this time and take our land back again from slavs and greeks.

IF??? If Macedonia gets split up between Alb-Bul like the former prime minister (giorgiefski) it's suggestion , then what are the so called macedonians are going to call them selfs? Or what are they going to say about the past? I will love to hear from the ones who call them selfs Macedonian. Txn

@ Francis - and other albos like him

Cockroaches are also many but this doesnt make them any good. They can still be crushed.

You got a big mouth so just make the first move - we are ready and determined to take back the land that is currently illegally occupied by albos like you.

We are coming for you, there is nothing you can do.

I think Albanians, Macedonians and Bulgarians will be able to make a deal. People of Macedonia should hold a referendum and see if majority wants this to happen.
The biggest problem that I see here is Srps.
Srps are proven to be the biggest troublemakers ,bad luck nation ,in the region. They ,in any circumstance shouldn't be able to stick there nose there , otherwise it will end very bad.

Here's another experts opinion!
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-kosovo-should-swap-land-ivor-roberts-says-02-08-2017

Albanian presence in these regions are living evidence

Descendants of the Albani tribe of the Illyrians first recorded by Ptolemy in 3rd century B.C. with their capital city of Albanopolis.

Some more great facts!!!
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Accusations_Against_Bulgaria

This idea would destabilize the Balkans. The dividing lines between Albanians and Macedonians are not clear cut and inevitably many Albanians would be forced into a Bulgaria, and Macedonians would feel like second class citizens in a Bulgarian super state.

This ethnic division talk needs to stop as it just isn't feasible without force. In my opinion, a solution would be for the EU to admit all countries in the region at the same time and basically erase the borders. Or create a Balkan superstate that does not have strong government that allows freedom and prosperity for its citizens to move, trade, utilize resources, etc. The government would provide defense, policing, and individual freedom in all aspects of life. Sort of like a libertarian haven.

(RighteousBilly, 8 February 2017 14:41)

During the communist era in the SFRJ , serbs shoved down our throat these BS fake history . Too bad you couldn't convince us the way you convince yourself . Everything you said it's a lie, and nobody is buying your BS anymore sorry

"But while that is ancient history, FYROM was part of the Kingdom of Serbia only 100 years ago!!! [link]"

Ari, I suggest you read the Carnegie Endowment for peace report, who sent a commission to Macedonia right after the Balkan Wars. It paints a good picture of "how well" the Kingdom of Serbia together with Greece treated the native population, when their armies and paramilitaries "liberated" Macedonia:

http://carnegieendowment.org/1993/01/01/other-balkan-wars-1913-carnegie-endowment-inquiry-in-retrospect-pub-199

If you do not feel like reading the book, I can summarize the main points for you: murders, tortures, burned villages and cities.

Macedonians, tell Nato and the US to get out of your country and take Camp Bondsteel with them.
This issue has more to do with that illegal base than anything else.
They want to divide up your country so that illegal military base will function as a pseudo entity. Wake up Macedonians. Wake up.

Here we are again fighting with each other on this stupid topic as if it will be up to our club of honored comment writers of B92 if Macedonia will survive or not. If Dana has decided that Macedonia will survive then it will survive. But if this man has decided it won't there is nothing we, Ivo or Vasko can do. I already offered my proposal of cantonization in three main entities: Albanac, Srbs and Makedonac. Cantonization not because what my mustache want but because the first two entities have a desperate need for investments. Economy is first dont forget.

(Dimitri, 8 February 2017 21:47)

Why did you choose that name ? What about the flag ? Why did you change the flag ? What about the language ? You chose that too ? I'm not trying to be sarcastic , Greece and Bulgaria are accusing you with stealing .txn

Revolution

There are no WRITTEN documents dated before 11-12 centuries and all those fairy tales about some ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, Indians, Assyrians, Sassanides ect were fabricated in 17-19 centuries. M-Ake-Don meant M-White River in old Rus/Tatar. Meanwhile language doesn't mean much as an argument.

20 years ago Ukrainian was a village dialect of the Russian but today it's a semi-Polish language. In 1926 the USSR established Byelorussian language but today they too fill it with Polish words. Gagauz people in Moldova and Kirgiz are pure Russians but the speak Turkic dialects. So language is a risky tool to seek for the truth.

To say nothing that Alexander of the White River (Makedon) was first mentioned in Rome only in 16 century. His biography is a reflection of the life story of Mehmet II aka Prophet Mohammad and so were their empires.

Macedons were a Slavic people but in 14-16 centuries all Slavs of the White Khans (Balkans) were called Bulgars. On then maps word Bulgar was written where Serbia is now while word Roman was written on the territory of current Bulgaria. Bulgaria was one of the 5 Princedoms that existed in Europe before late 16 century. Then everything changed for the worse.

I suppose that the capitol of Bulgaria was the City of the Whites aka Belgrade. But the Slavic attack on Constantinople started from Macedonia in 1453. Thats why Rus Mehmet II could have name of Macedon.

"This is according to RT, which quoted "Bulgarian news wire BGNES in a translation from Albanian"

And we are reading it on B92. A chain of 5 sources: He said that he said that he said that he said that he said, LOL. Even something as clear as "1+1=2" becomes "a monkey and a priest walk into a bar" after such broken telephone game.

The chance of this happening is zero.

The countries of the region do not support it.

Expansion of national borders requires an economy strong enough to absorb new territories and a military strong enough to defend them.

this man can say about albanians what he wants there are many of them in the us senate and in the house of representatives but i know the real reason why he can speak good for albanians.the united states is ruled by the jews there and the jews are always in power in the united states regardless who is the president and we have the full backing of them :) you dont belive my? try search some videos jewish leaders albania us senate you will be shocked :)

Guest makes it so easy for me to present my point of view.
I would change only one word in his comment.
Instead of "Albanians" I would write "All ethnic groups in Balkans" and we can agree on everything.
But, if you want something only for yourself, and deny the same right to the others - then we have a problem.

So..."All ethnic groups in the Balkans must be United, that's not something anyone can prevent from happening.
Otherwise, peace will not take place anytime soon."

Francis, when we hear your trash-talk about your ancient roots and your greatness that you can't proove, we have on wish only as to keep you isolated. No one likes you in region. Think about it. Nor, Serbs, Nor Greeks, nor Bulgarians or Macedonians like you. If we would have one wish that would be that we dont see you or hear anything of you(Greeks, Macedonians, Montenegrians, also), but we are realistic here. You live next to us. Sad, but true. So, try to bother us less wit your presence. No one likes you, get it?

Billy

We don't care what you like or think. You slavs are worthless to us. You are nothing to us. We will unite all albanian territory in the future and kick you slavic butts out. You took our land. Now we are coming for you :)

Greater Albania is coming and slavs are not included in our world i am afraid!

the quicker they give the Albanians what they want with their official language demands the better off this so called country will be. The social democrats should form a coalition with the Albanian parties and rid them of the irredentist and corrupt VMRO-DPMNE party. Name change should be demanded by the EU and Slavic culture should be promoted again. “We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That’s who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Great and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (AD).” Kiro Gligorov – the first president elect of Fyrom

Stefan

This is a fantastic scenario for 2017. It could work several years ago but those days are over now. The West is in a mess and they are close to a panic so they cannot plan something but empty statements now. They are still strong in many aspects but they cannot use their strength to destruction purposes any longer.

Sceptism

All bark no bite. Like usual. What are you waiting for then? Nato armies will crush you seconds and bomb you 1999 style again. Come on tough guy. Show me what you got :)

Serbs have been saying this for years and NOTHING has happened.
One move and say hi to the missles raining all over you again :D

Dimitri@
ONE THING REMAINS:
1.
You as close to all the residents of the former Yugoslavia, iYOU are the CHRISTINIZED SLAVS. You Slavs gained land during the Slavic invasion, and EVENTUALLY lost land as you were pushed away to the region of former Yugoslavia.

2.
These Slavs (YOU) kept:
- their Slavic language
- Slavic names of persons
- Slavc names of places
- Slavic alphabet
- Slavic culture
- Slavic recorded history

3.
The Greeks kept:
- their Greek language
- Greek of persons
- Greek names of places, and RESTORED the ORIGINAL ancient Greek names in any place that the Turks or the Slavs renamed to their language
- Greek alphabet
- Greek culture
- Greek recorded history

So what does this you posted proves?
That you're an uneducated fool, with nothing to support this PSEUDOHISTORY which you frauds spread.

Yet, you know damn well that this UNSPEAKABLE pile of poops you spread, can't  stand a chance in any serious conversation.
Your anonymity is what saves you from humiliation.

Here is a very intresting article on Macedonia and what the USA plans are regionally

http://katehon.com/article/us-plan-internationalize-macedonian-crisis

Peggy

What is it? Angry that the serbs are declining and dissappearing while we albanians grow larger
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Francis,
If you are going to reply to me then kindly don't change the subject.
All I asked for you is to prove your claim. I said nothing about any anger or population growth.

We will unite all albanian territory in the future and kick you slavic butts out. You took our land. Now we are coming for you :) Greater Albania is coming and slavs are not included in our world i am afraid!

(Francis)


Don't go mad if you care your ass ...
Because we have a Russian Saying
СКОЛЬКО ВОЛКА НИ КОРМИ, А У МЕДВЕДЯ ВСЕГДА ТОЛЩЕ.
NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU FEED A WOLF THE BEAR'S (COCK) IT FATTER ...
I personally like the idea of collecting the Whites in one state.
But always remember who you are and who WE are ...
Imagine a nightmare that we move Donbass army to the Balkans ...
.

Dimitri@
And FYRMacedonia's unpleasant, irrevocable truth:
1.
Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, "Macedonian Redux", p.259            
            "...The 20th century development of the so-called 'Macedonian ethnicity', and its evoloution into independent statehood following the collapse of Yugoslavia in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of the Balkan history and politics, the so-called ethnic 'macedonians' who have had no history, NEEDED ONE..."

2.
Prof. Denko Maleski, FYROMacadonia's ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Skopje, FYROM
          "...The creation of the 'Macedonian' nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. That is to say, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the 'Macedonian' historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the 'Macedonian' identity was CREATED..."

You're Slavs not Macedonian. You speak Slavic, your alphabet is Slavic, your personal names are Slavic, your cities have Slavic names, your country until some years ago had a Slavic name (VARDAR BANOVINA), your culture is Slavic, your recorded history is Slavic, and not to mention how your country is settled on PAEONIA and not on Macedonia. The Slavs migrated in the Balkans ONE THOUSAND YEARS after Alexander's death. The Macedons were/are Greeks. READ:
Denko Maleski, FYROMacadonia's ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Skopje, FYROM
"...We reach towards some fictional ethnic purity which we seek in the depths of the history, and we are angry at those who dare to call us Slavs and not macedonians, and our language and culture Slavic. We are angry when they name us what we are (Slavs), showing that we are people full with complexes, and we are ashamed for ourselves..."
(Utrinski Vesnik newspaper, FYROM, Skopje)

The root of Fyrom's problems is identity. The country has been built on bad foundations so its now faltering. had it had a sound foundation of multiculturalism it would not be in the mess. The Albanians are indigenous and as such deserve equal rights. Just the name Macedonia is offensive to the Albanians, Greeks and Bulgarians. When a new nation offends its neighbors it is doomed. add to this the cultural fabrications of antiquity.Slavic denials. stolen national heroes. theme parks that are the product of a mad man. languishing economy. all these social and economic issues are brought upon from one thing ¬ the identity. Its false. The minute they define who they are in a correct historical and scientific manner the country will thrive. they don't take criticism. Macedonia is a name that is not exclusive to FYROM. They cannot use it. They have had ample time to fix the name issue.
Instead they forged along with a false antiqization policy. Inflammatory airport names. Italian statues of historical figures that are not ethnically connected to them. ect ect. The media has been shut down. Take Mina as an example of Gruevski propaganda. The place stinks. The best option they have is to take Rohrabacher's advice. They will save themselves a civil war. Partition for peace. Let the Albanians split. They will never be accepted by their Slav co-occupants. The fragmented mess can then decide to either forge along in their historical fantasy land or join their ancestral home Bulgaria.

We will unite all albanian territory in the future and kick you slavic butts out. You took our land. Now we are coming for you :)

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Unlikely. Expansion of national borders requires not only a military able to defend the new borders, but also an economy able to absorb it, and the support of great powers to approve it.

The poor countries of the Balkans will always remain poor. As such they will never have great militaries, nor powerful economies, nor the support of great powers to do something like this.

If anyone tells you otherwise, they are "selling you something"

There is but one option: Learn to get along. No one side can get everything they want.

Serbs Don't belong in the balkans
(Francis, 8 February 2017 16:23)

We keep hearing this from you guys all the time but every time one of us asks you to provide evidence of that nothing happens.
(Peggy, 8 February 2017 23:27)

Well, the best evidence comes our dear friend RighteousBilly who wrote that Kosovo and Metohija was settled by Serbs in 7th century.

God bless Americans who bombed you By a Greek

Albanians must be United, that's not something anyone can prevent from happening.
Otherwise, peace will not take place anytime soon.

No Billy

Albanians speak an indo european language that is isolated. Albanian language was written in 1210s as earliest. We are have always been here while serbs came from Afghanistan during the 8th century. Serbs Don't belong in the balkans

Personally Rohrabacher is a good man I think. Very often he openly says things that the rest of the US establishment hate to mention. But the US always had problems with geography, languages and history. So it's already good that he offered to grant Macedonia to Bulgaria but not to Papua New Guinea or Cameroon. Anyway something must be done with the frozen conflicts and the borders on the Balkans. This tense helps no one.

Revolution

There are no WRITTEN documents dated before 11-12 centuries and all those fairy tales about some ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Chinese, Indians, Assyrians, Sassanides ect were fabricated in 17-19 centuries. M-Ake-Don meant M-White River in old Rus/Tatar. Meanwhile language doesn't mean much as an argument.

20 years ago Ukrainian was a village dialect of the Russian but today it's a semi-Polish language. In 1926 the USSR established Byelorussian language but today they too fill it with Polish words. Gagauz people in Moldova and Kirgiz are pure Russians but the speak Turkic dialects. So language is a risky tool to seek for the truth.

To say nothing that Alexander of the White River (Makedon) was first mentioned in Rome only in 16 century. His biography is a reflection of the life story of Mehmet II aka Prophet Mohammad and so were their empires.

Macedons were a Slavic people but in 14-16 centuries all Slavs of the White Khans (Balkans) were called Bulgars. On then maps word Bulgar was written where Serbia is now while word Roman was written on the territory of current Bulgaria. Bulgaria was one of the 5 Princedoms that existed in Europe before late 16 century. Then everything changed for the worse.

I suppose that the capitol of Bulgaria was the City of the Whites aka Belgrade. But the Slavic attack on Constantinople started from Macedonia in 1453. Thats why Rus Mehmet II could have name of Macedon.

(RighteousBilly, 8 February 2017 14:41)

During the communist era in the SFRJ , serbs shoved down our throat these BS fake history . Too bad you couldn't convince us the way you convince yourself . Everything you said it's a lie, and nobody is buying your BS anymore sorry

I think Albanians, Macedonians and Bulgarians will be able to make a deal. People of Macedonia should hold a referendum and see if majority wants this to happen.
The biggest problem that I see here is Srps.
Srps are proven to be the biggest troublemakers ,bad luck nation ,in the region. They ,in any circumstance shouldn't be able to stick there nose there , otherwise it will end very bad.

Macedonia was created with one purpose: to not let albanians and bulgarians claim their own land. The so called today's macedonians have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. It's the biggest history fabrication known to mankind. 90% of 'macedonian language' is bulgarian.

Important Correction:
App: 50-65% speak Bulgarian!!!
35-45% are Albanian speaking!
And I am of the opinion that for the time being the artificial state of Macedonia should not be split at least not for another 20-50 years. After democracy has set itself firmly into the Balkans many societies then we can call for a peaceful separation of the area thru a democratic referendum!!! I think many Albanians will understand my position!
The Balkans very own BIG3!

I respect B92. Most of the time, its journalists try to be professional and unbiased. However, I have noticed that they use the term "Albanian terrorist" without giving much thought if that's a realistic description. Having said this, one would wonder about the following: if Albanians are called terrorist just because they try to defend their own land and people, then what about Serbs who have caused numerous cases of genocide?! Do we have to invent a new term for Serbs only? It's very disappointing that even B92 is prone to Balkan bickering.

Peggy

What is it? Angry that the serbs are declining and dissappearing while we albanians grow larger? Survival of the fittest. Living amongst predatory slavs and greeks has made albanians the ultimate survivors¨in the balkans. We have survived despite our neighbours attacked us all the time and tried to steal our land. We will unite this time and take our land back again from slavs and greeks.

During the communist era in the SFRJ , serbs shoved down our throat these BS fake history
(Former YU citizen, 8 February 2017 15:44)

You have no idea what you are talking about. FYROM was historically always apart of Serbia. In fact, the capital of the short-lived Serbian Empire is today's capital of FYROM!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Empire

But while that is ancient history, FYROM was part of the Kingdom of Serbia only 100 years ago!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Serbia

And you talk about some propaganda being shoved down your throats during SFRJ, but it was actually during this period of communism that the Slavs of FYROM began to de-Serbianize, due to policy coming out of communist-run Belgrade (sadly enough).

I grew up in a Mid-West city with a huge FYROMian diaspora. They are great people. But it is you who are today engaging in *fake history*. This backwards attitude is what's driving the militarization of Albanian nationalists in FYROM. They will take everything because you are no match for them. And it breaks my heart.

To all referring to us as "FYROM" or that we are not a nation or identity:

Speak only for yourself, not for others. Macedonians are Slavic people, related to Bulgarians and Serbians, but not Bulgarian nor Serbian. Very simple, end of story. Slavic Literacy and Culture was spread to Serbians and Bulgarians FROM the Macedonian population.

To Greeks: No, we are not direct descendants of alexander the great and neither are you, we have, however, been living in the Balkans for nearly a 1000 years since the Slavic migrations. We chose to adopt the name MACEDONIA and it's a name that you do not own.

"Macedonia was created with one purpose: to not let albanians and bulgarians claim their own land. The so called today's macedonians have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. It's the biggest history fabrication known to mankind. 90% of 'macedonian language' is bulgarian.

But even considering that, i dont think Macedonia should be divided, at least not now because it would cause destabilisation of the whole balkan. Unless a border change is put in action, in which case the circumstances would change.
(Revolution,"

You are not obviously knowledgeable of history. In 1912 when Macedonia was freed from Ottomans by Serb army. The very territory of what is nowdays Republic of Macedonia and it's border with Greece was created then. Macedonia was part of kingdom of Serbia. In (SFRJ) Yugoslavia Macedonia was created by communists as republic within federation and carved out from Serbia as KosMet (Autonomous Province). So, to conclude, Tito made Macedonia in order to make weak Serbia as it was his policy and people around him. For the same reason he did the same thing in case of AP KosMet and AP Vojvodina, Montenegro. Expulsion of Serbs from Krajina and Bosnia. We agree that myth of ancient Macedonias is just that- a myth. Also other nation in the region have same myths. Albanians, sounds familiar?

(Bulgar of Ohrid, 8 February 2017 12:16)

Why does it have to come to war? Let's put the border between Albania and Bulgaria, and then no need to swap people around. Let them live in there own lands under a true democracy , if they like to move around then it's up to them .

This man is in the pocket of the Albanian lobby and likely receives $$$ from the sale of heroin and the organs of dead civilians. FYRO Macedonia is not a country, but he wants part of it to join "kosovo*" which is far less of a country???

But the Slavs in FYROM do have an identity crisis issue. It's caused them to have spats with their Orthodox neighbors, while some in the Albanian community pay U.S. congressmen to call for the destruction of their country. And ultimately, if FYROM does fall apart, it will be due to the "antiquity movement" and Alexander the Great will not come from the dead to save them.

So let this Dana be a warning to the Slavs in FYROM. I hope the they get over their identity confusions and stop provoking Greece. Because I'll tell you who is not confused, Albanian nationalists. They know what they want and they are coming.

I am sorry but there is no such a thing Macedonian... you either slav ( then forget Alexander , ancient history , change the flag , ) or you are Macedonian ( then who's language , alphabet are you using ) ? And don't listen to ari gold, because he's acting like he's protecting you , meanwhile he's insulting you (fyrom) and taking the Greece side on this one . He knows that half of Macedonia belongs to the Albanians , and the other half to Bulgaria . He is bitter , sore , loser , with anger on him,

This idea would destabilize the Balkans. The dividing lines between Albanians and Macedonians are not clear cut and inevitably many Albanians would be forced into a Bulgaria, and Macedonians would feel like second class citizens in a Bulgarian super state.

This ethnic division talk needs to stop as it just isn't feasible without force. In my opinion, a solution would be for the EU to admit all countries in the region at the same time and basically erase the borders. Or create a Balkan superstate that does not have strong government that allows freedom and prosperity for its citizens to move, trade, utilize resources, etc. The government would provide defense, policing, and individual freedom in all aspects of life. Sort of like a libertarian haven.

For some cheap money this old corrupted man will say any kind of bullshit. It is a shame to the US Department of State to allow to this worthless person to be on such position.

"But while that is ancient history, FYROM was part of the Kingdom of Serbia only 100 years ago!!! [link]"

Ari, I suggest you read the Carnegie Endowment for peace report, who sent a commission to Macedonia right after the Balkan Wars. It paints a good picture of "how well" the Kingdom of Serbia together with Greece treated the native population, when their armies and paramilitaries "liberated" Macedonia:

http://carnegieendowment.org/1993/01/01/other-balkan-wars-1913-carnegie-endowment-inquiry-in-retrospect-pub-199

If you do not feel like reading the book, I can summarize the main points for you: murders, tortures, burned villages and cities.

Albanian presence in these regions are living evidence

Descendants of the Albani tribe of the Illyrians first recorded by Ptolemy in 3rd century B.C. with their capital city of Albanopolis.

"This is according to RT, which quoted "Bulgarian news wire BGNES in a translation from Albanian"

And we are reading it on B92. A chain of 5 sources: He said that he said that he said that he said that he said, LOL. Even something as clear as "1+1=2" becomes "a monkey and a priest walk into a bar" after such broken telephone game.

The comments from this moron is to try and start what Soros and company could not, another ethic war in Balkans! Every time the US can't run pipelines or steal Oil the try to overthrow a uncooperative government. Don't fall for this Macedonia as you will draw in the Entire Balkan from Albania Serbia Croatia Greece Bosnia Kosovo Turkey Montenegro Slovenia Bulgaria, we all know how quickly things blow up in our region we all still have family in the region. Don't let them play us for fools again and rape our people and resources so a few can get richer!!!

Albanians speak an indo european language that is isolated. Albanian language was written in 1210s as earliest. We are have always been here while serbs came from Afghanistan during the 8th century. Serbs Don't belong in the balkans
(Francis, 8 February 2017 16:23)
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We keep hearing this from you guys all the time but every time one of us asks you to provide evidence of that nothing happens.
So how about you provide evidence of your Albanian culture in that region and leave our history to us.

Macedonia was created with one purpose: to not let albanians and bulgarians claim their own land. The so called today's macedonians have nothing to do with ancient macedonians. It's the biggest history fabrication known to mankind. 90% of 'macedonian language' is bulgarian.

But even considering that, i dont think Macedonia should be divided, at least not now because it would cause destabilisation of the whole balkan. Unless a border change is put in action, in which case the circumstances would change.

I'm personally happy for this to happen..

But even in towns where Albanians are a majority Macedonians make up 20 to 40% and vice versa.. the only places whic are %100 Albanian are along or near the border.. eg Mala Recica, sipkovica, lipkovo, and Kondovo, Saraj and aricanovo near skopje. Hence I don't think this solution is possible without a massive population swap or a war between Bulgaria and Albania.. I think if it came ti the crunch both of those affected people would probably opt for leaving the Balkans all together as against dying or being uprooted from their homes..

Problem is not if Fyrom will get divided or not. Its an artificial entity and the divide of it will happen for sure, its just a question of WHEN. I think the real problem here is what will happen with all the brainwashed generation of slavic people in Fyrom that are filled with tales of Alexander the Great and other greeks history things. Someone from Bulgaria needs to slap them hard to waken them up from this madness :)

Albanians must be United, that's not something anyone can prevent from happening.
(Guest, 8 February 2017 12:16)

By all means I believe you should be united. United back in Albania. In fact the best way to ensure that is for you to try to make Greater Albania, and once Serbia, Macedonia, Greece, Montenegro and NATO blow your dreams up in flames, the endless line of wretched looking refugees streaming towards Tirana will be a beautiful sight to behold among millions of Europeans. Remember when Germans tried that? Yeah, good times :)

The biggest problem that I see here is Srps.
Srps are proven to be the biggest troublemakers ,bad luck nation ,in the region. They ,in any circumstance shouldn't be able to stick there nose there , otherwise it will end very bad.
(delon, 8 February 2017 20:23)
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In what way are Serbs going to be a problem with the issue of Macedonia?
On the contrary it's Albanians who are killing Macedonians there not Serbs. Albanians are the biggest plague in that region and indeed anywhere they have sizable numbers.

IF??? If Macedonia gets split up between Alb-Bul like the former prime minister (giorgiefski) it's suggestion , then what are the so called macedonians are going to call them selfs? Or what are they going to say about the past? I will love to hear from the ones who call them selfs Macedonian. Txn

While the US accused Russia of medeling in US and European countries national affairs, the State Department should heed its own advise and not medel in foreign countries internal affairs.

FYROM is a fake country! Marshal Tito of Yugoslavia created this fake country to attack and claim Greek territory during the 1950s. This was master planned by Tito and Stalin. FYROM are Bulgarians and they speak Bulgarian. Ancient Macedonians are Greek, they spoke Greek and always claimed to be Greeks!!

Yeah bring it on
We need more Albanian and Bulgarian manure to fertilize our macedonian roses

The chance of this happening is zero.

The countries of the region do not support it.

Expansion of national borders requires an economy strong enough to absorb new territories and a military strong enough to defend them.

Billy

We don't care what you like or think. You slavs are worthless to us. You are nothing to us. We will unite all albanian territory in the future and kick you slavic butts out. You took our land. Now we are coming for you :)

Greater Albania is coming and slavs are not included in our world i am afraid!

Here we are again fighting with each other on this stupid topic as if it will be up to our club of honored comment writers of B92 if Macedonia will survive or not. If Dana has decided that Macedonia will survive then it will survive. But if this man has decided it won't there is nothing we, Ivo or Vasko can do. I already offered my proposal of cantonization in three main entities: Albanac, Srbs and Makedonac. Cantonization not because what my mustache want but because the first two entities have a desperate need for investments. Economy is first dont forget.

Here's another experts opinion!
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-kosovo-should-swap-land-ivor-roberts-says-02-08-2017

this man can say about albanians what he wants there are many of them in the us senate and in the house of representatives but i know the real reason why he can speak good for albanians.the united states is ruled by the jews there and the jews are always in power in the united states regardless who is the president and we have the full backing of them :) you dont belive my? try search some videos jewish leaders albania us senate you will be shocked :)

Sceptism

All bark no bite. Like usual. What are you waiting for then? Nato armies will crush you seconds and bomb you 1999 style again. Come on tough guy. Show me what you got :)

Serbs have been saying this for years and NOTHING has happened.
One move and say hi to the missles raining all over you again :D

That Danube-Morava-Vardar canal in the news has them dropping bricks. Notice the territories he proposes are along that way, no mention of RS, Bosnia, Krajina, Croatia or Montenegro. Look to Russia and China boys n girls, no more mistakes, remember British promises in WW1 and WW2. Be one of the first at the new table and not last at the old one.

We will unite all albanian territory in the future and kick you slavic butts out. You took our land. Now we are coming for you :) Greater Albania is coming and slavs are not included in our world i am afraid!

(Francis)


Don't go mad if you care your ass ...
Because we have a Russian Saying
СКОЛЬКО ВОЛКА НИ КОРМИ, А У МЕДВЕДЯ ВСЕГДА ТОЛЩЕ.
NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU FEED A WOLF THE BEAR'S (COCK) IT FATTER ...
I personally like the idea of collecting the Whites in one state.
But always remember who you are and who WE are ...
Imagine a nightmare that we move Donbass army to the Balkans ...
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(Dimitri, 8 February 2017 21:47)

Why did you choose that name ? What about the flag ? Why did you change the flag ? What about the language ? You chose that too ? I'm not trying to be sarcastic , Greece and Bulgaria are accusing you with stealing .txn

Here is a very intresting article on Macedonia and what the USA plans are regionally

http://katehon.com/article/us-plan-internationalize-macedonian-crisis

Stefan

This is a fantastic scenario for 2017. It could work several years ago but those days are over now. The West is in a mess and they are close to a panic so they cannot plan something but empty statements now. They are still strong in many aspects but they cannot use their strength to destruction purposes any longer.

Francis, when we hear your trash-talk about your ancient roots and your greatness that you can't proove, we have on wish only as to keep you isolated. No one likes you in region. Think about it. Nor, Serbs, Nor Greeks, nor Bulgarians or Macedonians like you. If we would have one wish that would be that we dont see you or hear anything of you(Greeks, Macedonians, Montenegrians, also), but we are realistic here. You live next to us. Sad, but true. So, try to bother us less wit your presence. No one likes you, get it?

Dark days are ahead, and no one really knows how things will develop after the war. Unless stupid americans expect changes in the borders to happen in a peaceful manner.

No one can draw borders on a map expecting nations engaged to just..move over.

War is coming, it will affect all balkans. Be prepared.

Macedonians, tell Nato and the US to get out of your country and take Camp Bondsteel with them.
This issue has more to do with that illegal base than anything else.
They want to divide up your country so that illegal military base will function as a pseudo entity. Wake up Macedonians. Wake up.

@ Francis - and other albos like him

Cockroaches are also many but this doesnt make them any good. They can still be crushed.

You got a big mouth so just make the first move - we are ready and determined to take back the land that is currently illegally occupied by albos like you.

We are coming for you, there is nothing you can do.

Peggy

What is it? Angry that the serbs are declining and dissappearing while we albanians grow larger
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Francis,
If you are going to reply to me then kindly don't change the subject.
All I asked for you is to prove your claim. I said nothing about any anger or population growth.

Dimitri@
ONE THING REMAINS:
1.
You as close to all the residents of the former Yugoslavia, iYOU are the CHRISTINIZED SLAVS. You Slavs gained land during the Slavic invasion, and EVENTUALLY lost land as you were pushed away to the region of former Yugoslavia.

2.
These Slavs (YOU) kept:
- their Slavic language
- Slavic names of persons
- Slavc names of places
- Slavic alphabet
- Slavic culture
- Slavic recorded history

3.
The Greeks kept:
- their Greek language
- Greek of persons
- Greek names of places, and RESTORED the ORIGINAL ancient Greek names in any place that the Turks or the Slavs renamed to their language
- Greek alphabet
- Greek culture
- Greek recorded history

So what does this you posted proves?
That you're an uneducated fool, with nothing to support this PSEUDOHISTORY which you frauds spread.

Yet, you know damn well that this UNSPEAKABLE pile of poops you spread, can't  stand a chance in any serious conversation.
Your anonymity is what saves you from humiliation.

Dimitri@
And FYRMacedonia's unpleasant, irrevocable truth:
1.
Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, "Macedonian Redux", p.259            
            "...The 20th century development of the so-called 'Macedonian ethnicity', and its evoloution into independent statehood following the collapse of Yugoslavia in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of the Balkan history and politics, the so-called ethnic 'macedonians' who have had no history, NEEDED ONE..."

2.
Prof. Denko Maleski, FYROMacadonia's ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Skopje, FYROM
          "...The creation of the 'Macedonian' nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. That is to say, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the 'Macedonian' historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the 'Macedonian' identity was CREATED..."

You're Slavs not Macedonian. You speak Slavic, your alphabet is Slavic, your personal names are Slavic, your cities have Slavic names, your country until some years ago had a Slavic name (VARDAR BANOVINA), your culture is Slavic, your recorded history is Slavic, and not to mention how your country is settled on PAEONIA and not on Macedonia. The Slavs migrated in the Balkans ONE THOUSAND YEARS after Alexander's death. The Macedons were/are Greeks. READ:
Denko Maleski, FYROMacadonia's ex-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Skopje, FYROM
"...We reach towards some fictional ethnic purity which we seek in the depths of the history, and we are angry at those who dare to call us Slavs and not macedonians, and our language and culture Slavic. We are angry when they name us what we are (Slavs), showing that we are people full with complexes, and we are ashamed for ourselves..."
(Utrinski Vesnik newspaper, FYROM, Skopje)

the quicker they give the Albanians what they want with their official language demands the better off this so called country will be. The social democrats should form a coalition with the Albanian parties and rid them of the irredentist and corrupt VMRO-DPMNE party. Name change should be demanded by the EU and Slavic culture should be promoted again. “We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That’s who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Great and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (AD).” Kiro Gligorov – the first president elect of Fyrom

Some more great facts!!!
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Accusations_Against_Bulgaria

We will unite all albanian territory in the future and kick you slavic butts out. You took our land. Now we are coming for you :)

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Unlikely. Expansion of national borders requires not only a military able to defend the new borders, but also an economy able to absorb it, and the support of great powers to approve it.

The poor countries of the Balkans will always remain poor. As such they will never have great militaries, nor powerful economies, nor the support of great powers to do something like this.

If anyone tells you otherwise, they are "selling you something"

There is but one option: Learn to get along. No one side can get everything they want.

Serbs Don't belong in the balkans
(Francis, 8 February 2017 16:23)

We keep hearing this from you guys all the time but every time one of us asks you to provide evidence of that nothing happens.
(Peggy, 8 February 2017 23:27)

Well, the best evidence comes our dear friend RighteousBilly who wrote that Kosovo and Metohija was settled by Serbs in 7th century.

God bless Americans who bombed you By a Greek

The root of Fyrom's problems is identity. The country has been built on bad foundations so its now faltering. had it had a sound foundation of multiculturalism it would not be in the mess. The Albanians are indigenous and as such deserve equal rights. Just the name Macedonia is offensive to the Albanians, Greeks and Bulgarians. When a new nation offends its neighbors it is doomed. add to this the cultural fabrications of antiquity.Slavic denials. stolen national heroes. theme parks that are the product of a mad man. languishing economy. all these social and economic issues are brought upon from one thing ¬ the identity. Its false. The minute they define who they are in a correct historical and scientific manner the country will thrive. they don't take criticism. Macedonia is a name that is not exclusive to FYROM. They cannot use it. They have had ample time to fix the name issue.
Instead they forged along with a false antiqization policy. Inflammatory airport names. Italian statues of historical figures that are not ethnically connected to them. ect ect. The media has been shut down. Take Mina as an example of Gruevski propaganda. The place stinks. The best option they have is to take Rohrabacher's advice. They will save themselves a civil war. Partition for peace. Let the Albanians split. They will never be accepted by their Slav co-occupants. The fragmented mess can then decide to either forge along in their historical fantasy land or join their ancestral home Bulgaria.

Guest makes it so easy for me to present my point of view.
I would change only one word in his comment.
Instead of "Albanians" I would write "All ethnic groups in Balkans" and we can agree on everything.
But, if you want something only for yourself, and deny the same right to the others - then we have a problem.

So..."All ethnic groups in the Balkans must be United, that's not something anyone can prevent from happening.
Otherwise, peace will not take place anytime soon."