Russian experts: "Crimea for Kosovo" deal won't happen

Kosovo was a part of the Ottoman Empire.
(icj1, 24 January 2017 16:03)

And before that it was part of the Serbian Empire, and before that the Byzantine Empire. Fact is, it was never part of anything Albanian except when they allied with the Nazis.

It can and it will, as there is simply and absolutely no other alternative!
(Peter the Rocky Mountains, 24 January 2017 13:30)

Trump is a master negotiator, if he wants to dangle Crimea recognition in front of Putin, do you honestly believe that Kosovo-Metohija will be his asking price? Do you really think that (especially) the current U.S. administration cares nearly about Kosovo-Metohija as the Russians do about Crimea? Get real.

So it's not even a matter of whether Russia would agree or not (they obviously wouldn't), it's more that the U.S. would never offer such an exchange.

Some commentators here believe in the wrong analogy:

Kosovo is taken from Serbia
Crimea is taken from Ukraine.

The correct analogy is:

Kosovo is part of Serbia
Crimea is part of Russia.

Russia doesn’t have to ”pay” for anything that already belongs to it.

The American President just said, that islamic terrorism will be eradicated from the Earth. ”Eradication” means ”reduction of the prevalence to zero”.

Do you think a certain self-proclaimed, criminal ”goverment” has a chance to survive?

Who cares about russia. Kosova create your army , fix your economy , try not to migrate , and have lots and lots of babies

The artical very good and informative and not to mention very positively worded for Srbija !!!

I only pray that the Serbian people unite and form a much closer and stronger bond with Dear Mother Russia !!!

USA, well let me be gentle this time around, let her be, the world is so large, enough room for Srbija to live and breath !

No more stability in the West, really there never was for us Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christians !

So better we Serbian people learn to face East the same as we do when we pray to our Lord Crucified and Holy in the Kingdom of Heaven !!!

There is nothing to bargain, Russia is in full control of the Crimea. If Ukraine is stupid enough to start another war in the Don Bass region, then Russia will annex that region as well.

"Non recognition of Kosovo indepedence from Russia" doesn't mean that Serbia is having territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo. Hope we agree on that. Still Serbian leaders would need Kosovo authoties permission to enter the territory. The question of formal recognition of Kosovo is about stability and normalusation of relationships.

It can and it will, as there is simply and absolutely no other alternative!
(Peter the Rocky Mountains, 24 January 2017 13:30)

Speaking of alternative, I see you're a fan of alternative facts and alternative truths.

Kosovo was part of Serbia
(Comm. Parrisson, 24 January 2017 15:34)

Sure, but before being a part of Serbia, Kosovo was a part of the Ottoman Empire. The same way that Crimea was a part of Russia before being a part of Ukraine, etc etc. So not really sure what your point is and why it matters what the territory of a country was part of in the past!

It can and it will, as there is simply and absolutely no other alternative!

Putin, you are our President!

Do you think a certain self-proclaimed, criminal ”goverment” has a chance to survive?
(N. Pine, 24 January 2017 14:04)

Of course not. Serbia's self-proclaimed, criminal ”goverment” has no chance to survive if it allows the US Embassy in Belgrade to be attacked and burned again. Remember that Trump is not weak like Bush who reacted to the burning of the US embassy in Belgrade with just words!

Hail Czar Putin !!!!!

Some commentators here believe in the wrong analogy:

Kosovo is taken from Serbia
Crimea is taken from Ukraine.

(N. Pine, 24 January 2017 14:04)

Yes, some misunderstand it completely. You probably mean the correct analogy is:

Kosovo was part of Serbia, it self-declared an independence and is now a disputed territory, recognized by 110 out of 193 UN member states.

Crimea was part of Russia, it hold a 'referendum' for independence which was international not recognized because it was held under occupation of foreign troops, and was not in line with the Ukraine constitution.
Later the new 'government' of Crimea chose to join Russia, which was only recognized by a dozen or so Russian vassal countries, all other UN member countries see Crimea as part of Ukraine.

Serbs think that their a..s is more important than Ukrainian one, for Russia?

We are talking to RUSSIAN interests!

"The only reason the London conference established Albania was to deny Serbia access to the sea and thus deny Russia a port in the Adriatic."

What an arrogant and idiotic thing to say. Serbs have these delusions of grandeur, that honestly are comical beyond belief. Albania (and Kosova) exists because there are Albanians that want to have their own country, and apparently, they are too strong for Serbs to break, conquer or assimilate. And obviously because this is and has also been recognized by the powers that be, whether it was the London conference or Rabouillet.

If you wanted access to the sea, you'd have a better chance of getting it through Montenegro that is closer to you ethnically, than through Durres where at any time in history the Serb population was 0.0



"I have heard numerous times about your claims to Kosovo, but no one has been able to show me even a fountain that Albanians constructed that proves Kosovo is yours"

Guess what! Albanian claim on Kosovo is not based on a fountain, but on the fact that it's 98% of it's living, breathing inhabitants are Albanians, that want nothing to do with Serbs.

Who gives a s*** what Russia says. Kosova it's a independent country, and nothing changes that.

Putin wont live forever dear enemies.

When asked by an English diplomatist who the Russians were Nicolas II showed at his guards and said :" This one is a Cossack. this is a Mordvin, that one a Maloros (now Ukraine), that one is a highlander (Caucasus), that is from Orel city ... And all together they are Russians.

Как Николай-2 на вопрос английского дипломата - "Кто такие русские?", ответил показывая на свою охрану - "Вот этот казак, вот этот мордвин, этот малорос, этот горец, этот из Орла..... А все они - РУССКИЕ!"

Lets hold Referendum in Kosovo then :)

Show to us the territory Serbia had in WWI war, sj. Vojvodina and Kosovo were not part of Serbia.
Finally Serbs accept that was Russia which helped you in WWI, and did a big mistake,for this we are here now.
Kosovo was part of ALBANIA in WWI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1912%E2%80%9313
So what was stolen from Serbia, sj? Where you base it! YOU STOLE IT WITH THE HELP OF RUSSIA, FACT! You must have born in US, must live in US, but you still are a provincial.

So what was stolen from Serbia, sj? Where you base it! YOU STOLE IT WITH THE HELP OF RUSSIA, FACT! You must have born in US, must live in US, but you still are a provincial.
(Joni, 25 January 2017 12:3

I was not born nor do I live in the US. The only reason the London conference established Albania was to deny Serbia access to the sea and thus deny Russia a port in the Adriatic. Nothing changes except for the names.
I have heard numerous times about your claims to Kosovo, but no one has been able to show me even a fountain that Albanians constructed that proves Kosovo is yours. The only reason Albanians were in Kosovo was due to Turkish rule.
No peace until its returned.

(sj, 25 January 2017 13:01)
Still a provincial! Can me please explain what it mean deny to Serbia and Russia the acces of a port in Adriatic? So you admit that Russia and Serbia has in plan to do everything for a port in Adriatic, even though there were not living Serbians? Russia did a wrong thing giving you Kosovo! For this were 3 conflicts in Kosovo in WWI,WWII, and Jugoslavia one, and still are because Russia still is support the wrong side. And if she continue like this always will be conflicts in Balkan. Kosovo was never part of Serbia – and show to me a fact when Albanians came in Kosovo. Don’t exist!
Even I would like to much that Albania had a port on Aegean sea, but there live Greeks not Albanians.
Do you understand what are you talking about! You must like even the wife of your friend, in your logic.

N. Pine : The correct analogy is:

Kosovo is part of Serbia
Crimea is part of Russia.


Ukraine itself is part of Russia and you are to see it soon and that's why Donbass remains formally Ukrainian ...


Navi : And before that it (Kosovo - rote) was part of the Serbian Empire, and before that the Byzantine Empire.

Before 19 century there has never been any independent states on the Balkans. Besides the region wasn't a colony of the Byzantine but was the Byzantine itself. Since early 14 century Balkans belonged to the Great (Roman, Mongol) Horde (Orda) and since 17 century to the survived south wing of the Horde (Orda) called Great P-Orda or the Ottomans (Atamans) ... That's the shortest history of the Balkans.

Name Balkans (white khans) as well as Belgrade (city of the whites) appeared in 14 century. Whites aka Albanians were the Rjuricovici Dynasty who ruled the world from Vladimir in 14 century. Most likely Serbs were Albanians too. Sorry to dissapoint you, но вода камень точит ...

Most likely Serbs were Albanians too. Sorry to dissapoint you, но вода камень точит ...
(rote, 24 January 2017 17:27)

Really, that's like saying Russians are equal to Mongols, Huns and Tatars.

Countries have no friends, only interests.
Russia will betray Serbia for a bottle of vodka, historically it has done so and it will do again.
US will do the same to Kosovo if their interets change.
As long as balkan countries dont understand that they are only pawns for the big powers they will be forever cursed to repeat the bloody history of the past. Yugoslavia was a good model, but it failed unfortunately. We need a big confederation of the balkan countires, then maybe our voice will be heard. Fighting against each other is a losing proposition. Unfortunately it looks like the future is going to resemble the past for the balkans. Shame.
(boom, 25 January 2017 03:46)

There is a slight difference between Serbia and Russia mate. In WW1 Russia came into the war not out of strategic need but out of close bond and to help Serbia. I doubt that the US would give you guys the time of day let alone do the same. Yugoslavia failed because it was only the Serbs that kept it going, but now people in all former republics, except Serbia, are nostalgic. In Slovenia people openly declare that they were tricked into abandoning Yugoslavia and they had lived better then than now.

I doubt that Serbs would want any form of confederation becasue they would have to carry them. Best if its left to what we have now. The only reason there is trouble is simply the Serbs want back what was stolen from them.

Countries have no friends, only interests.
Russia will betray Serbia for a bottle of vodka, historically it has done so and it will do again.
US will do the same to Kosovo if their interets change.
As long as balkan countries dont understand that they are only pawns for the big powers they will be forever cursed to repeat the bloody history of the past. Yugoslavia was a good model, but it failed unfortunately. We need a big confederation of the balkan countires, then maybe our voice will be heard. Fighting against each other is a losing proposition. Unfortunately it looks like the future is going to resemble the past for the balkans. Shame.

Putin wont live forever dear enemies.
(TheInconvenientTruth, 25 January 2017 10:11)your allies are all dying nations and they will not be forever my dear enemy which they are not here already opps sorry ;p... Russia and china are the world leaders yours are all grandpas sitting in wheelchairs getting oatmeal to eat....the new world is here foolish one....you think its just Russia as you see china has opened their big bank in Serbia and investing billions...and Russia investing in the military and many nations are on their side the big young new world economy nations....lol so you keep dreaming about your old world with your grandpa allies while Serbia and and their new allies are controlling the new world....so mr. Albanian go put up new statues of Clinton or whoever you want,..... and let the croats keep chanting because that's all its going to be, a future for Serbia and you keep ranting...blah blah blah just like propaganda America...you learned from them but that's the past the bear and dragon have awakened....and everyone is on their side for economy and military....so Serbs have many babies because you will need it for the future....

1878 . The release of Kosovo from the Serbian army ended with Russia and Turkey, signed the San Stefano peace. The congress decided where the borders of Russia took the side of Bulgaria, except where ethnic Bulgarian territory, belong to the Serbian Niš, Vardar Macedonia and Greece and parts of Albania. Fortunately for Serbia, convened the Congress of Berlin that Serbia got Nis, Pirot, Toplica and Vranje.

Kosovo was part of Serbia
(Comm. Parrisson, 24 January 2017 15:34)

Sure, but before being a part of Serbia, Kosovo was a part of the Ottoman Empire. The same way that Crimea was a part of Russia before being a part of Ukraine, etc etc. So not really sure what your point is and why it matters what the territory of a country was part of in the past!
(icj1, 24 January 2017 16:03)

And before that it was part of the Serbian Empire, and before that the Byzantine Empire.
(Navi, 24 January 2017 16:35)

Sure, and before that it was part of the Roman Empire and so on... But still it is not clear what your point is :)
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Fact is, it was never part of anything Albanian except when they allied with the Nazis.
(Navi, 24 January 2017 16:35)

I never said it was a part of anything Albanian, so are you trying to convince yourself about that?

As for who allied with the Nazis during WW2, in the Balkans it was Bulgaria, Romania and Yugoslavia, all countries that signed the Tripartite Pact with the Nazis.

RighteousBilly, 26 January 2017 07:23)

Of course they did! They gived to you Kosovo!
In WWI, Serbs doubled their territory!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1912%E2%80%9313

@ SJ
Russia and EU gives a crime on Albanian nation, 30 -40 % of population was left out of Albania, and for this are in this mess with Balkan today. And you tell to me that they stopped you? They gived to you Kosovo, how they stopped you. All the nations on Balkan in elementary schools learn that. What do you learn?
I compare Aegan sea for the same reason you compare it with Adriatic. I would like that Albania has a port even there. But to have that Albania should kill and replace all the local Greeks there with Albanians. So do you understand now.
According to the buildings, monuments is not my fault that you are an ignorant. Do one search and see! But my question is that in the Serbian area, what survived from Roman area? A little! Show to me the most old church that survived in Serbia? I’m sorry but you are barbars, you destroy all, even your heritage . All you have is in Greece Hilandar or Albanian tower, and in Kosovo – and unfortunately for the irony of the fate all this survived because of Albanians.

You have no idea what have you done. I have to thank Serbia. Albanian government finally wake up, and is under fire for not investing enough in military equipments. She is moving on!

Of course they did! They gived to you Kosovo!
In WWI, Serbs doubled their territory!

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(Joni, 26 January 2017 11:31)

Are you really that ignorant, Serbia fought in the Balkan wars along with Greece, Bulgaria and Romania. The Albanians were fighting with the Turks. Kosovo was annexed and the Serbian army marched right up to Durres. The Albanians were awarded with a state after fighting with the Turks by the so called Great Powers. The Next time Serbia wipes the Albanian Turks off the map and takes back Kosovo, it will be for good. The only Barbarians are the Albanian gypsies who to this day are nothing more than wandering nomads, nobody knows where they came from. Put on your Red Capeta and march back to Turkey where you belong.

Icj1, I am grateful that I can read your comments, they always make me laugh. I know you are not knowledgeable and you hardly learn new things, but you surely give us a good laugh. I don't hope more from you.

yeah yeah bla bla...all the expert can have some paid money time being in front of camera sputnik,rt,cnnn,bbc etc but in reality big guy's Trump,Putin etc you think they give a .f,,k what they say or anyone the whole world it is business for them other than business everything else is a collateral damage and who pay in long way term me you and everyone else and guess where in the end it ends up in there pocket so it makes the double winner and back again in there pocket, as they say being in front of the MACK truck in wrong time and wrong place... so cheers to you and keep believing "Kosovo is Serbia" just reminder before anyone thinks or believe as your president called for army or even sending his kids over there think tank, who you need to go through and yes BONDSTEEL not the Albanians and possible most serbs don't know really why Kosovo can't be a part of Serbia or anyone else there is no way same as trying to get a answer for Q why? so please GOOGLE IT and read about why? Bondsteel? what is the real purpose of it? so please find out and you judge that for your own sake....

The question of formal recognition of Kosovo is about stability and normalusation of relationships.
(EA, 24 January 2017 13:44)
Well when you can get formal recognition the next best thing is to settle for second best and tell yourself that stability and normalization of relationships is a form of recognition.

joni, no one gave us nothing. Actually, it us who gave to others.
KosMet was liberated from "sick man of Europe" in Kumanovo battle in 1912. In that battle it was you with the Ottomans. Macedonia exists on territory liberated by Serbia. Maribor is in Slovenia because Serbian army marched to it and defended Slovenia from Italian army. Just because you dont like the facts, you pretend that you have no knowledge about them. It's childish, dont you think Joni?

KosMet was liberated from "sick man of Europe" in Kumanovo battle in 1912. In that battle it was you with the Ottomans. Macedonia exists on territory liberated by Serbia. Maribor is in Slovenia because Serbian army marched to it and defended Slovenia from Italian army.
(RighteousBilly, 26 January 2017 07:23)

Yes, dear, it is only thanks to heroic Serbs that any country in the world exists today. I hope that makes you happier.

However, if that's not sufficient to feed your delusions, I'm sure that some bigger things (like the Moon or Mars) can be identified which exist only thanks to Serbs' heroism. Anything for making you happy, mate :)

Russians are equal to Mongols, Huns and Tatars.
(Jugoslavija, 24 January 2017 20:13)

EXACTLY !
MORE THAN THAT :

Mongols = Megaleon = Great
Huns = Hans = Khans = Cans = Cannes = Kans
Tatars = Tartars = children of Tarh and Tara
Scythians = Scotians
Alans = Богоборцы = God's fighters
Mamelukes
Goths

All lived in 14-16 centuries and were synonimous of the Great Horde's Cossacks. It was a multinational army with dominating Slavic component. Greeks were priests of the Horde and were present in each unit.

(Joni, 25 January 2017 16:09)

When the powers of the day were dividing the Balkans the British and French were against Serbia gaining access to any area of the Adriatic so they created Albania for that purpose. The reason for this was due to Serbia’s close association with Russia. If the powers gave Serbia access to the Adriatic the French and Brits feared that the Serbs would allow Russian warships to be based there. This all took place before WW1.
Not sure what books you read, if any, but WW1 and WW2 has absolutely nothing to do with Kosovo at all. If Russia supports the wrong side you might point that out to Moscow and they may change sides. I have no idea why you are comparing the Aegean with the Adriatic. Albania has access to the Adriatic.
If there is going to be another war Serbia is well prepared since even under the current circumstances Serbia has the strongest military in the Balkans.
Albanians have lived in Kosovo for a long time and there is no dispute, but not in the current numbers mate. This was changed under that Croatian arse hole Tito who wanted to “dilute” Serbian hegemony in Yugoslavia. On the issue of Albanians claiming they are Illyrians and have lived in that region for thousands of years it is a ludicrous claim since there is nothing there to prove it. There is no building, monument, bridge, tower that can be attributed to Albanians. The Greeks, Roman, Serbs and Turks all left something, but not the Albanians.

KosMet was liberated from "sick man of Europe" in Kumanovo battle in 1912. In that battle it was you with the Ottomans. Macedonia exists on territory liberated by Serbia. Maribor is in Slovenia because Serbian army marched to it and defended Slovenia from Italian army.
(RighteousBilly, 26 January 2017 07:23)

Yes, dear, it is only thanks to heroic Serbs that any country in the world exists today. I hope that makes you happier.

However, if that's not sufficient to feed your delusions, I'm sure that some bigger things (like the Moon or Mars) can be identified which exist only thanks to Serbs' heroism. Anything for making you happy, mate :)
(icj1, 26 January 2017 15:33)

I am grateful that I can read your comments
(RighteousBilly, 27 January 2017 07:58)

I had no doubt about that, which is why I wrote something to make you happy and have a better sleep at night lol

It can and it will, as there is simply and absolutely no other alternative!

Who cares about russia. Kosova create your army , fix your economy , try not to migrate , and have lots and lots of babies

Serbs think that their a..s is more important than Ukrainian one, for Russia?

We are talking to RUSSIAN interests!

"Non recognition of Kosovo indepedence from Russia" doesn't mean that Serbia is having territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo. Hope we agree on that. Still Serbian leaders would need Kosovo authoties permission to enter the territory. The question of formal recognition of Kosovo is about stability and normalusation of relationships.

Do you think a certain self-proclaimed, criminal ”goverment” has a chance to survive?
(N. Pine, 24 January 2017 14:04)

Of course not. Serbia's self-proclaimed, criminal ”goverment” has no chance to survive if it allows the US Embassy in Belgrade to be attacked and burned again. Remember that Trump is not weak like Bush who reacted to the burning of the US embassy in Belgrade with just words!

Some commentators here believe in the wrong analogy:

Kosovo is taken from Serbia
Crimea is taken from Ukraine.

The correct analogy is:

Kosovo is part of Serbia
Crimea is part of Russia.

Russia doesn’t have to ”pay” for anything that already belongs to it.

The American President just said, that islamic terrorism will be eradicated from the Earth. ”Eradication” means ”reduction of the prevalence to zero”.

Do you think a certain self-proclaimed, criminal ”goverment” has a chance to survive?

Some commentators here believe in the wrong analogy:

Kosovo is taken from Serbia
Crimea is taken from Ukraine.

(N. Pine, 24 January 2017 14:04)

Yes, some misunderstand it completely. You probably mean the correct analogy is:

Kosovo was part of Serbia, it self-declared an independence and is now a disputed territory, recognized by 110 out of 193 UN member states.

Crimea was part of Russia, it hold a 'referendum' for independence which was international not recognized because it was held under occupation of foreign troops, and was not in line with the Ukraine constitution.
Later the new 'government' of Crimea chose to join Russia, which was only recognized by a dozen or so Russian vassal countries, all other UN member countries see Crimea as part of Ukraine.

Kosovo was part of Serbia
(Comm. Parrisson, 24 January 2017 15:34)

Sure, but before being a part of Serbia, Kosovo was a part of the Ottoman Empire. The same way that Crimea was a part of Russia before being a part of Ukraine, etc etc. So not really sure what your point is and why it matters what the territory of a country was part of in the past!

Kosovo was a part of the Ottoman Empire.
(icj1, 24 January 2017 16:03)

And before that it was part of the Serbian Empire, and before that the Byzantine Empire. Fact is, it was never part of anything Albanian except when they allied with the Nazis.

The artical very good and informative and not to mention very positively worded for Srbija !!!

I only pray that the Serbian people unite and form a much closer and stronger bond with Dear Mother Russia !!!

USA, well let me be gentle this time around, let her be, the world is so large, enough room for Srbija to live and breath !

No more stability in the West, really there never was for us Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christians !

So better we Serbian people learn to face East the same as we do when we pray to our Lord Crucified and Holy in the Kingdom of Heaven !!!

Putin, you are our President!

It can and it will, as there is simply and absolutely no other alternative!
(Peter the Rocky Mountains, 24 January 2017 13:30)

Trump is a master negotiator, if he wants to dangle Crimea recognition in front of Putin, do you honestly believe that Kosovo-Metohija will be his asking price? Do you really think that (especially) the current U.S. administration cares nearly about Kosovo-Metohija as the Russians do about Crimea? Get real.

So it's not even a matter of whether Russia would agree or not (they obviously wouldn't), it's more that the U.S. would never offer such an exchange.

Hail Czar Putin !!!!!

Who gives a s*** what Russia says. Kosova it's a independent country, and nothing changes that.

Countries have no friends, only interests.
Russia will betray Serbia for a bottle of vodka, historically it has done so and it will do again.
US will do the same to Kosovo if their interets change.
As long as balkan countries dont understand that they are only pawns for the big powers they will be forever cursed to repeat the bloody history of the past. Yugoslavia was a good model, but it failed unfortunately. We need a big confederation of the balkan countires, then maybe our voice will be heard. Fighting against each other is a losing proposition. Unfortunately it looks like the future is going to resemble the past for the balkans. Shame.
(boom, 25 January 2017 03:46)

There is a slight difference between Serbia and Russia mate. In WW1 Russia came into the war not out of strategic need but out of close bond and to help Serbia. I doubt that the US would give you guys the time of day let alone do the same. Yugoslavia failed because it was only the Serbs that kept it going, but now people in all former republics, except Serbia, are nostalgic. In Slovenia people openly declare that they were tricked into abandoning Yugoslavia and they had lived better then than now.

I doubt that Serbs would want any form of confederation becasue they would have to carry them. Best if its left to what we have now. The only reason there is trouble is simply the Serbs want back what was stolen from them.

It can and it will, as there is simply and absolutely no other alternative!
(Peter the Rocky Mountains, 24 January 2017 13:30)

Speaking of alternative, I see you're a fan of alternative facts and alternative truths.

Russians are equal to Mongols, Huns and Tatars.
(Jugoslavija, 24 January 2017 20:13)

EXACTLY !
MORE THAN THAT :

Mongols = Megaleon = Great
Huns = Hans = Khans = Cans = Cannes = Kans
Tatars = Tartars = children of Tarh and Tara
Scythians = Scotians
Alans = Богоборцы = God's fighters
Mamelukes
Goths

All lived in 14-16 centuries and were synonimous of the Great Horde's Cossacks. It was a multinational army with dominating Slavic component. Greeks were priests of the Horde and were present in each unit.

"The only reason the London conference established Albania was to deny Serbia access to the sea and thus deny Russia a port in the Adriatic."

What an arrogant and idiotic thing to say. Serbs have these delusions of grandeur, that honestly are comical beyond belief. Albania (and Kosova) exists because there are Albanians that want to have their own country, and apparently, they are too strong for Serbs to break, conquer or assimilate. And obviously because this is and has also been recognized by the powers that be, whether it was the London conference or Rabouillet.

If you wanted access to the sea, you'd have a better chance of getting it through Montenegro that is closer to you ethnically, than through Durres where at any time in history the Serb population was 0.0



"I have heard numerous times about your claims to Kosovo, but no one has been able to show me even a fountain that Albanians constructed that proves Kosovo is yours"

Guess what! Albanian claim on Kosovo is not based on a fountain, but on the fact that it's 98% of it's living, breathing inhabitants are Albanians, that want nothing to do with Serbs.

Most likely Serbs were Albanians too. Sorry to dissapoint you, но вода камень точит ...
(rote, 24 January 2017 17:27)

Really, that's like saying Russians are equal to Mongols, Huns and Tatars.

yeah yeah bla bla...all the expert can have some paid money time being in front of camera sputnik,rt,cnnn,bbc etc but in reality big guy's Trump,Putin etc you think they give a .f,,k what they say or anyone the whole world it is business for them other than business everything else is a collateral damage and who pay in long way term me you and everyone else and guess where in the end it ends up in there pocket so it makes the double winner and back again in there pocket, as they say being in front of the MACK truck in wrong time and wrong place... so cheers to you and keep believing "Kosovo is Serbia" just reminder before anyone thinks or believe as your president called for army or even sending his kids over there think tank, who you need to go through and yes BONDSTEEL not the Albanians and possible most serbs don't know really why Kosovo can't be a part of Serbia or anyone else there is no way same as trying to get a answer for Q why? so please GOOGLE IT and read about why? Bondsteel? what is the real purpose of it? so please find out and you judge that for your own sake....

The question of formal recognition of Kosovo is about stability and normalusation of relationships.
(EA, 24 January 2017 13:44)
Well when you can get formal recognition the next best thing is to settle for second best and tell yourself that stability and normalization of relationships is a form of recognition.

N. Pine : The correct analogy is:

Kosovo is part of Serbia
Crimea is part of Russia.


Ukraine itself is part of Russia and you are to see it soon and that's why Donbass remains formally Ukrainian ...


Navi : And before that it (Kosovo - rote) was part of the Serbian Empire, and before that the Byzantine Empire.

Before 19 century there has never been any independent states on the Balkans. Besides the region wasn't a colony of the Byzantine but was the Byzantine itself. Since early 14 century Balkans belonged to the Great (Roman, Mongol) Horde (Orda) and since 17 century to the survived south wing of the Horde (Orda) called Great P-Orda or the Ottomans (Atamans) ... That's the shortest history of the Balkans.

Name Balkans (white khans) as well as Belgrade (city of the whites) appeared in 14 century. Whites aka Albanians were the Rjuricovici Dynasty who ruled the world from Vladimir in 14 century. Most likely Serbs were Albanians too. Sorry to dissapoint you, но вода камень точит ...

There is nothing to bargain, Russia is in full control of the Crimea. If Ukraine is stupid enough to start another war in the Don Bass region, then Russia will annex that region as well.

Show to us the territory Serbia had in WWI war, sj. Vojvodina and Kosovo were not part of Serbia.
Finally Serbs accept that was Russia which helped you in WWI, and did a big mistake,for this we are here now.
Kosovo was part of ALBANIA in WWI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1912%E2%80%9313
So what was stolen from Serbia, sj? Where you base it! YOU STOLE IT WITH THE HELP OF RUSSIA, FACT! You must have born in US, must live in US, but you still are a provincial.

(sj, 25 January 2017 13:01)
Still a provincial! Can me please explain what it mean deny to Serbia and Russia the acces of a port in Adriatic? So you admit that Russia and Serbia has in plan to do everything for a port in Adriatic, even though there were not living Serbians? Russia did a wrong thing giving you Kosovo! For this were 3 conflicts in Kosovo in WWI,WWII, and Jugoslavia one, and still are because Russia still is support the wrong side. And if she continue like this always will be conflicts in Balkan. Kosovo was never part of Serbia – and show to me a fact when Albanians came in Kosovo. Don’t exist!
Even I would like to much that Albania had a port on Aegean sea, but there live Greeks not Albanians.
Do you understand what are you talking about! You must like even the wife of your friend, in your logic.

When asked by an English diplomatist who the Russians were Nicolas II showed at his guards and said :" This one is a Cossack. this is a Mordvin, that one a Maloros (now Ukraine), that one is a highlander (Caucasus), that is from Orel city ... And all together they are Russians.

Как Николай-2 на вопрос английского дипломата - "Кто такие русские?", ответил показывая на свою охрану - "Вот этот казак, вот этот мордвин, этот малорос, этот горец, этот из Орла..... А все они - РУССКИЕ!"

1878 . The release of Kosovo from the Serbian army ended with Russia and Turkey, signed the San Stefano peace. The congress decided where the borders of Russia took the side of Bulgaria, except where ethnic Bulgarian territory, belong to the Serbian Niš, Vardar Macedonia and Greece and parts of Albania. Fortunately for Serbia, convened the Congress of Berlin that Serbia got Nis, Pirot, Toplica and Vranje.

So what was stolen from Serbia, sj? Where you base it! YOU STOLE IT WITH THE HELP OF RUSSIA, FACT! You must have born in US, must live in US, but you still are a provincial.
(Joni, 25 January 2017 12:3

I was not born nor do I live in the US. The only reason the London conference established Albania was to deny Serbia access to the sea and thus deny Russia a port in the Adriatic. Nothing changes except for the names.
I have heard numerous times about your claims to Kosovo, but no one has been able to show me even a fountain that Albanians constructed that proves Kosovo is yours. The only reason Albanians were in Kosovo was due to Turkish rule.
No peace until its returned.

Kosovo was part of Serbia
(Comm. Parrisson, 24 January 2017 15:34)

Sure, but before being a part of Serbia, Kosovo was a part of the Ottoman Empire. The same way that Crimea was a part of Russia before being a part of Ukraine, etc etc. So not really sure what your point is and why it matters what the territory of a country was part of in the past!
(icj1, 24 January 2017 16:03)

And before that it was part of the Serbian Empire, and before that the Byzantine Empire.
(Navi, 24 January 2017 16:35)

Sure, and before that it was part of the Roman Empire and so on... But still it is not clear what your point is :)
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Fact is, it was never part of anything Albanian except when they allied with the Nazis.
(Navi, 24 January 2017 16:35)

I never said it was a part of anything Albanian, so are you trying to convince yourself about that?

As for who allied with the Nazis during WW2, in the Balkans it was Bulgaria, Romania and Yugoslavia, all countries that signed the Tripartite Pact with the Nazis.

Countries have no friends, only interests.
Russia will betray Serbia for a bottle of vodka, historically it has done so and it will do again.
US will do the same to Kosovo if their interets change.
As long as balkan countries dont understand that they are only pawns for the big powers they will be forever cursed to repeat the bloody history of the past. Yugoslavia was a good model, but it failed unfortunately. We need a big confederation of the balkan countires, then maybe our voice will be heard. Fighting against each other is a losing proposition. Unfortunately it looks like the future is going to resemble the past for the balkans. Shame.

Putin wont live forever dear enemies.

Putin wont live forever dear enemies.
(TheInconvenientTruth, 25 January 2017 10:11)your allies are all dying nations and they will not be forever my dear enemy which they are not here already opps sorry ;p... Russia and china are the world leaders yours are all grandpas sitting in wheelchairs getting oatmeal to eat....the new world is here foolish one....you think its just Russia as you see china has opened their big bank in Serbia and investing billions...and Russia investing in the military and many nations are on their side the big young new world economy nations....lol so you keep dreaming about your old world with your grandpa allies while Serbia and and their new allies are controlling the new world....so mr. Albanian go put up new statues of Clinton or whoever you want,..... and let the croats keep chanting because that's all its going to be, a future for Serbia and you keep ranting...blah blah blah just like propaganda America...you learned from them but that's the past the bear and dragon have awakened....and everyone is on their side for economy and military....so Serbs have many babies because you will need it for the future....

(Joni, 25 January 2017 16:09)

When the powers of the day were dividing the Balkans the British and French were against Serbia gaining access to any area of the Adriatic so they created Albania for that purpose. The reason for this was due to Serbia’s close association with Russia. If the powers gave Serbia access to the Adriatic the French and Brits feared that the Serbs would allow Russian warships to be based there. This all took place before WW1.
Not sure what books you read, if any, but WW1 and WW2 has absolutely nothing to do with Kosovo at all. If Russia supports the wrong side you might point that out to Moscow and they may change sides. I have no idea why you are comparing the Aegean with the Adriatic. Albania has access to the Adriatic.
If there is going to be another war Serbia is well prepared since even under the current circumstances Serbia has the strongest military in the Balkans.
Albanians have lived in Kosovo for a long time and there is no dispute, but not in the current numbers mate. This was changed under that Croatian arse hole Tito who wanted to “dilute” Serbian hegemony in Yugoslavia. On the issue of Albanians claiming they are Illyrians and have lived in that region for thousands of years it is a ludicrous claim since there is nothing there to prove it. There is no building, monument, bridge, tower that can be attributed to Albanians. The Greeks, Roman, Serbs and Turks all left something, but not the Albanians.

KosMet was liberated from "sick man of Europe" in Kumanovo battle in 1912. In that battle it was you with the Ottomans. Macedonia exists on territory liberated by Serbia. Maribor is in Slovenia because Serbian army marched to it and defended Slovenia from Italian army.
(RighteousBilly, 26 January 2017 07:23)

Yes, dear, it is only thanks to heroic Serbs that any country in the world exists today. I hope that makes you happier.

However, if that's not sufficient to feed your delusions, I'm sure that some bigger things (like the Moon or Mars) can be identified which exist only thanks to Serbs' heroism. Anything for making you happy, mate :)
(icj1, 26 January 2017 15:33)

I am grateful that I can read your comments
(RighteousBilly, 27 January 2017 07:58)

I had no doubt about that, which is why I wrote something to make you happy and have a better sleep at night lol

RighteousBilly, 26 January 2017 07:23)

Of course they did! They gived to you Kosovo!
In WWI, Serbs doubled their territory!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Conference_of_1912%E2%80%9313

KosMet was liberated from "sick man of Europe" in Kumanovo battle in 1912. In that battle it was you with the Ottomans. Macedonia exists on territory liberated by Serbia. Maribor is in Slovenia because Serbian army marched to it and defended Slovenia from Italian army.
(RighteousBilly, 26 January 2017 07:23)

Yes, dear, it is only thanks to heroic Serbs that any country in the world exists today. I hope that makes you happier.

However, if that's not sufficient to feed your delusions, I'm sure that some bigger things (like the Moon or Mars) can be identified which exist only thanks to Serbs' heroism. Anything for making you happy, mate :)

Of course they did! They gived to you Kosovo!
In WWI, Serbs doubled their territory!

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(Joni, 26 January 2017 11:31)

Are you really that ignorant, Serbia fought in the Balkan wars along with Greece, Bulgaria and Romania. The Albanians were fighting with the Turks. Kosovo was annexed and the Serbian army marched right up to Durres. The Albanians were awarded with a state after fighting with the Turks by the so called Great Powers. The Next time Serbia wipes the Albanian Turks off the map and takes back Kosovo, it will be for good. The only Barbarians are the Albanian gypsies who to this day are nothing more than wandering nomads, nobody knows where they came from. Put on your Red Capeta and march back to Turkey where you belong.

Lets hold Referendum in Kosovo then :)

joni, no one gave us nothing. Actually, it us who gave to others.
KosMet was liberated from "sick man of Europe" in Kumanovo battle in 1912. In that battle it was you with the Ottomans. Macedonia exists on territory liberated by Serbia. Maribor is in Slovenia because Serbian army marched to it and defended Slovenia from Italian army. Just because you dont like the facts, you pretend that you have no knowledge about them. It's childish, dont you think Joni?

@ SJ
Russia and EU gives a crime on Albanian nation, 30 -40 % of population was left out of Albania, and for this are in this mess with Balkan today. And you tell to me that they stopped you? They gived to you Kosovo, how they stopped you. All the nations on Balkan in elementary schools learn that. What do you learn?
I compare Aegan sea for the same reason you compare it with Adriatic. I would like that Albania has a port even there. But to have that Albania should kill and replace all the local Greeks there with Albanians. So do you understand now.
According to the buildings, monuments is not my fault that you are an ignorant. Do one search and see! But my question is that in the Serbian area, what survived from Roman area? A little! Show to me the most old church that survived in Serbia? I’m sorry but you are barbars, you destroy all, even your heritage . All you have is in Greece Hilandar or Albanian tower, and in Kosovo – and unfortunately for the irony of the fate all this survived because of Albanians.

You have no idea what have you done. I have to thank Serbia. Albanian government finally wake up, and is under fire for not investing enough in military equipments. She is moving on!

Icj1, I am grateful that I can read your comments, they always make me laugh. I know you are not knowledgeable and you hardly learn new things, but you surely give us a good laugh. I don't hope more from you.