Djuric: Dialing code given to Kosovo as geographic region

By agreeing to register a company under Kosovo law No one can deny serbia completely recognized Kosovo independence in this deal.

By agreeing to register a company under Kosovo law No one can deny serbia completely recognized Kosovo independence in this deal.
(Brian Niven, 14 November 2016 13:34)

Ya, you've been saying that for years now. But this deal recognized that Serbia's state carrier is able to operate south of the Ibar without obstruction from Pristina. Serbia's state carrier doesn't directly operate outside of Serbia's border. So Pristina recognized that Telekom Srbija exists in Kosovo-Metohija and agreed to tax-free status too!

Also, it is Serbia that applies for your calling code, not Albania like you wanted. And it will be applied for on behalf of a geographical region, not a country. Plus, when people in Kosovo-Metohija call Central Serbia, it is treated as a local not an international call. Not a bad deal because it is in accordance with more than autonomy, less than independence.

I welcome the agreement on telecommunications reached in the Kosovo talks in Brussels. All the agreements would have been reached so far and there would have been no Albanian flip-flopping, backtracking and breaching the rules of negotiations unless there had been a powerful counselor overseas who tutored Albanians how to flout rules and undermine negotiations with Serbia. Fortunately , with the 2016. presidential election, the powerful counselor, the dynasty Clintons ,George Soros and their cronies have been discarded into a waste dump and cannot influence the Serbian issues any longer. The love between Albanians and Hillary& Bill has been terminated. The is the first effect of the Clintons being stripped of power. No more global power, no more laundered money from drug-dealers for Clinton foundation. All the tensions in Europe, including Russian issue, will be relaxed.

Ari Gold you are wrong. B92 says the calls will be long distance calls and the company must be registered as operating in the "independent and sovereign republic of Kosovo" It is a subsidiary not the Serbian company.

By agreeing to register a company under Kosovo law No one can deny serbia completely recognized Kosovo independence in this deal.
(Brian Niven, 14 November 2016 13:34)

Is that all you're capable of thinking? Are you really that comical a one-hit wonder? Did you even bother to read the details?

1. Telekom Srbija gets a daughter company in Kosovo, which effectively allows it to maintain operation without any competition or obstruction. In short, Serbia controls the landline service in Kosovo.

2. The dialing code is basically all Kosovo gets, which is maintained and operated by Telekom Srbija's daughter company, ensuring all revenues, taxes, fees, and other services goes to its parent company.

3. The majority of opinion among Kosovo's Albanian groups are opposed to this deal, chastising the government for basically giving them little more than a number that is separate from the rest of the Serbia but no economic assets because Pristina agreed to a compromise that, like most things in Kosovo, gave independence in image but not in substance.

4. Kosovo is given a two-year transition period that, upon approval from Telekom Srbija, transfers the dialing codes to +383, which they now are the carriers.

I doubt this "victory" will see Kosovo gain a UN seat. Sorry to burst your bubble. Again.

This call is International call, despite the fact b92 said long distance.
(the truth, 14 November 2016 16:04)

That's funny because according to Albanians, Telekom Srbija will then control all of its "international calls". It also "owns" the +383 prefix though a sister company that retains all assets and utilities in the territory.

Enjoy your "independent" prefix. Everytime you use it, euros are deposited into a Serbian bank account :)

http://koha.net/?id=27&l=142404

Also, it is Serbia that applies for your calling code, not Albania like you wanted. And it will be applied for on behalf of a geographical region, not a country. Plus, when people in Kosovo-Metohija call Central Serbia, it is treated as a local not an international call. Not a bad deal because it is in accordance with more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Ari Gold, 14 November 2016 14:17)

Absolutely wrong Ari Gold or Silver,
Austria applied on behalf of Kosova for an international dialing code and not Serbia.

This call is International call, despite the fact b92 said long distance.

382,385,386,387, when dialing 381 and vice versa are all International call, which means 383 is in same position as the rest. I read that 384 is unsigned yet and is being kept ready for Vojvodina!?

@ Ari Gold
It was Kosovo who asked for it, not Serbia, to be clear!
Bravo Kosovo, Bravooo!

To all my Albanians here: People…, Serbs lose and still are losing at least let them “cry” In peace.
Why you lose your time with a insignificant minority less than 2%.

It was Kosovo who asked for it, not Serbia, to be clear!
(Joni, 14 November 2016 16:14)

Yep they asked for it, and boy did they get it! Be careful what you ask for, my dear Joni! You seem to be losing everytime!

http://koha.net/?id=27&l=142423

vatican city's country code: +379
puerto rico's country codes: +787, +939

usa's country code: +1
canada's country code: +1

vatican city is not a country
puerto rico is not a country

usa and canada share the same code and are two different countries


before you cry yourself a river on which you can paddle your way to success you might consider that what you thought was some sort of standard is in fact not at all. but don't let country examples defeat your theorems

I think our Albanian friends are only reading the headlines again without the fine print. That's ok, be happy in your ignorance. But one day you will come to the realization that it was Serbia that requests another calling code for ITSELF that it decides to allocate for the Kosovo-Metohija region. It is Serbia's sate owned company that directly operates south of the Ibar once again and it is Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija that can call their families in Central Serbia and have the calls treated as a local, not international call. I wouldn't categorize that as too much of a win on your side of things, but if you're happy, I'm happy.

@ Ari, the actual truth and many others, here is a link about International calls: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Kosovo+country+code

It's referred to as a country code and not a 'geographical' one. But, if that flies in Serbia then so be it. If you're happy with it then so are we. It's a Win-Win, right? Or, win for Serbia and loss for Kosovo. Either way, we're OK with it.

Isn't Vojvodina also a geographic region? From what I know they have no international code. With Serbs anything is possible.

Albanians do have their own dialing code.
+964 Kurdistan

i agree with go home you are drunk

Provincial code in the province of Kosovo, Serbia. Quite honestly, that shouldn't even be given at all. Nothing should be given to them.

@ the actual truth

My dear, you are trying to convince me ??
You should convince yourself! Now, repeat it 100 time loudly and maybe - maybe you will believe it!
I read the link you send to me, did you read it? Is in the first paragraph after the head line : It say that the news is based on the Serbian media? Did you read it, or you missed it?
You try to convince me, that you won. Of course a Serbian company won at least for two years, but I doubt the Serbian state.
I have to thank this company that decide to invest its money in Kosovo, for the new jobs that she will open there, for the facilities she will provide to our companies and people, for the taxes she will pay to Kosovo gov. …etc..etc.
Kosovo have a new phone code, new jobs, new infrastructure... but people - to be clear Serbs are the winners. They won.. but actually i don't know what but i don't give a f... He he he!

Ari gold why are you so bitter ? Omg do you have anything else going in your life ? If this is the only thing you have I am sorry about you .

This “daughter company” makes no sense and is so silly and laughable. Its going to be foreign subsidiary! The Serbian company doesn’t want to register as operating in the sovereign and independent republic of Kosovo and re register in a place where its supposedly already is. The Serbia telecom are setting up a foreign subsidiary that will register itself as a Kosovo company operating in the sovereign and independent republic of Kosovo. No one is being fooled outside of the ridiculous government which should be charged with treason for violating the constitution if anybody cared to! Djuric must be charge with treason!

omg haha. let this clown keep his propaganda... who is now days taking serbia seriously ? no one.. not even serbia's people.. croatia slovenia now montenegro albania all are Nato.. serbia after all ex yogoslav countries now is trying with kosovo.. but soon they will come back to reality.. and understand that if they want to enter kosovo.. they have to show their document to the border.. and have not at all influence... with this mentality hate and propaganda.. Serbia will Never Be EU... NEVER

Does Vojvodina has their own dial code? Does Telekom Serbia also have limited access thru a different legal entity in Vojvodina?

You see, it doesnt matter what you say or how much you lie here. As soon as ITU has allocated the dial code for Kosovo, its on their homepage. You get to see the owner and you also get to see if its an international country code or just another regional code.

Basically all this talk here is nonsense since we are about to see the truth, once ITU has officially added the new prefix to its list.

Stay tuned and check UIT form time to time instead of listening to your lying officials.

Well, it seems like a reasonable compromise. Both Serbs and Albanians are defending (their interpretation of) the agreement so glad this part is over. It just goes to show that Kosovo, to move forward, is still heavily dependent on Serbia. I don't think it is high on the EU's agenda now so it really is up to each side to realistically compromise.

No, Telekom Srbija gets tax exempt status. Did you not read the actual agreement? Did you not read that the phone code is Serbia's because it is Serbia who will apply for this code, not Albania like you wanted? Whatever, blissful ignorance is fine with me just don't start acting like savages again when you read the fine print, please.
(Ari Gold, 15 November 2016 11:57)

I believe it's Austria that will apply for it, but we'll find out. Serbia says it's OK. Austria applies, and the asterix appears on the documents about the code. Vucic and Thaci make a ton of money from the auction for the licence of the new operator two years from now.

Remember Kosovo is a "special case". And increasingly "special case" means mentally handicapped since its inhabitants frequently need things explained to them in slow and easy to read sentences.
(the actual truth, 15 November 2016 16:26)

Well, you'd find few people, if any, in Kosovo, Serbia or elsewhere who can understand your nonsense. It does not matter how slowly you say it or if you use easy to read sentences... nonsense, remains nonsense lol

Another dumb Serbian euphemism that no one else in the world uses! Geographic code=country code. Daughter company=foreign subsidiary. Boundary=border. Stamps = customs. ID = passport and on and on.

The problem with the Albanians is that they are misled by their leaders at every turn. This dialing code is being sold to them as a five course dinner with Dom Perignon and 50 year old Hennessy Cognac brandy when in fact its mere scraps off the table and swept on the floor.

All is being done becasue their leaders are so keen to sell to outside investors and pocket the profits. The only profits the local Albos will see is in the newspapers when they read about the sale.

The problem with the Albanians is that they are misled by their leaders at every turn.
(sj, 15 November 2016 08:05)

But Albanians are very lucky that they have the CE of B92 forums sj on their side to protect them from their leaders. Albanians, like the rest of the world, would become so rich once they adopt the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj!

This is obviously a good agreement: on both sides those in favor have something to brag about, and on both sides, the opposition can find something to complain about.

Kosovo gets its own 3-digit dialing code and a revenue stream in the millions (euros) from taxes and VAT ( not to mention savings to users on the cost of using foreign providers); Serbia gets to keep its real estate and equipment. And those who don't want anything to change have a two-year grace period before they have to do anything. (After that, the foreign codes - Monaco +377, Slovenian +386, and +381 - will no longer be in service.

As for insisting that the +383 code is "merely" geographic, then the +385 of Croatia and +381 of Serbia must be also - right? +38 went out with Yugoslavia.

...... Question? - if a Serb from UK ( where I live) needs to call a Serb in Leposavic ( "in ur so called Kosovo I Metohia") can I please get an answer how the Serb from UK should dial the number? +383 ?
So what you talking about then?
One more thing - I will buy a Serbian sim in Kosovo if this is licences and have cheaper options why not. This is called competition and if the Serbian doughter does well with it then we can get the doughter f•••ked no prb.

Hey Guys stop Arguments about Stupid 3 digit code who cares how many codes Kosova gets or Serbia from this codes only Vucic and Thaqi get rich not you guys. So start looking after your lifes not stupid 3 digit code.

Does Vojvodina has their own dial code?
(Gjon Marku, 15 November 2016 08:47)

No, but +384 remains unallocated. Yugoslavia used to be +38, and when it began to break up, codes for potential separate states based on the old code were made available. Only +384 has not be allocated yet - maybe Serbia should offer it to Vojvodina?

I have to thank this company that decide to invest its money in Kosovo, for the new jobs that she will open there, for the facilities she will provide to our companies and people, for the taxes she will pay to Kosovo gov. …
(Joni, 15 November 2016 08:59)

No, Telekom Srbija gets tax exempt status. Did you not read the actual agreement? Did you not read that the phone code is Serbia's because it is Serbia who will apply for this code, not Albania like you wanted? Whatever, blissful ignorance is fine with me just don't start acting like savages again when you read the fine print, please.

The problem with the Albanians is that they are misled by their leaders at every turn. This dialing code is being sold to them as a five course dinner with Dom Perignon and 50 year old Hennessy Cognac brandy when in fact its mere scraps off the table and swept on the floor.

All is being done becasue their leaders are so keen to sell to outside investors and pocket the profits. The only profits the local Albos will see is in the newspapers when they read about the sale.
(sj, 15 November 2016 08:05)


sj a.k.a. Ari Gold,

Do I detect a bit of envy on your part.

Serbia hoisted by its own petard once again.

so, when one considers subsidiary vs affiliate , an affiliate is a company where the parent company has less than majority stake in ownership, whereas a subsidiary is one where the parent company has majority ownership. Both cases the affiliate and the subsidiary are children companies of the parent.

My dear, you are trying to convince me ??
(Joni, 15 November 2016 08:59)

I fear that's an effort in futility. You can't even take your own media seriously. I deliberately referenced Koha Ditore to show how displeased Kosovo Albanians are with the deal and you have the nerve to say it's Serbian propaganda? You and the rest of the Albanian truth deniers are a laughable lot.

Are you people programmed from decades of Hoxha groupthink to believe the exact opposite of reality or is this something Hoxha simply exploited?

But please, continue to display your ignorance and denial on this site for all to see. It's hilarious!

Does Vojvodina has their own dial code?
(Gjon Marku, 15 November 2016 08:47)

No, but Hong Kong and Macau do. Just as the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar. None of them are sovereign states. Remember Kosovo is a "special case". And increasingly "special case" means mentally handicapped since its inhabitants frequently need things explained to them in slow and easy to read sentences.

No, Telekom Srbija gets tax exempt status. Did you not read the actual agreement? Did you not read that the phone code is Serbia's because it is Serbia who will apply for this code, not Albania like you wanted? Whatever, blissful ignorance is fine with me just don't start acting like savages again when you read the fine print, please.
(Ari Gold, 15 November 2016 11:57)
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Telekom Srbija as such will not be active in Kosovo - a newly-formed subsidiary will take oveoro its assets there and be subject to Kosovo law and taxes. It's the transfer that's free of taxes (and customs etc), not operating profits.

Also, Serbia did not apply for the code on Kosovo's behalf, Austria did (last January).

"Pristina, 5 January 2016
Minister for Dialogue, Edita Tahiri, said that Austria applied yesterday to the ITU for Kosovo telephone code, in accordance with the Brussels agreement on telecommunications. The official confirmation on the application of Austria for Kosovo telephone code we have received from the European Union and the Austrian Embassy in Kosovo, said the Minister thanking the Austrian state for its very important commitment in order Kosovo to have its international telephone code." http://www.kryeministri-ks.net/?page=2,9,5490

Serbia agreed to the change. Of course, if Kosovo were to break this agreement, it would probably lose the number. That's notreally the same as being able to withdraw their agreement arbitrarily.

Regardless, MUP will have access to the dial codes to continue to monitor the KLA and Albanian terrorists including Thaci.

(The Count of Kosova, 15 November 2016 14:12)
Lord of the Dance read this slowly and it might sink in. I said might but I doubt it.
Its exactly as Djuric has said.
The +383 dialing code is owned by Serbia and has been given to Kosovo as a geographical, rather than an international region, "like China has several dialing codes, such as one for the mainland and one for Hong Kong, another for Macau and another for Taiwan, and the UK has one for the mainland and another for the Falkland Islands,".
Perhaps one day you guys might get it LOL.

I wouldn't categorize that as too much of a win on your side of things, but if you're happy, I'm happy.
(Ari Gold, 14 November 2016 18:06)

Exactly... This is a win-win agreement since both Kosovo and Serbia are considering it a win. Finally both countries are realising that the relations between Serbia and Kosovo are not a zero sum game.

My beloved friends (Kosovar Albanians and Serbs), you are so blind over there that while you see this as a Win-Win from each side indeed is just a los-los for both of you:

1) Serbia keeps signing deals that just approve you have no more rights
on anything about Kosovo Republic (Which ain't a bad thing tbh it was time things like this happened normally)
2) You Albanians Kosovars keep signing deals where Serbia is always the
one profiting economically (Cause you are nubs and dont have the balls to stand Serbs as an equal part in any deal, at least for now)

So both of you just keep calm and enjoy the life in our shitty Balcan home.

Not true. It was given to Kosovo* as a disputed territory, as you can read in another article here on B92: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=15&nav_id=99689

*= without prejudice to its status, and in compliance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999) and the opinion of the International Court of Justice on the declaration of Kosovo's independence

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
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Therefore, as icj has declared sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot

icj1

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Who do you think is to be the next?

This code is the property of the Republic of Serbia which it has given by ITU to Serbia for the needs of the geographical region Kosovo as a result of the 2013 Brussels Agreement signed by the governments of Serbia and Kosovo.

"Serbian national provider Telekom Srbija will officially operate in Kosovo as a subsidiary company MTS d.o.o, legally recognised by the international community and the Pristina institutions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Kosovo

Just to make matter clear here, this definitely looks like a win for Serbia imo. With that said, it's not a critical matter when it comes to the status of Kosovo and an agreement had to be made for the benefit of regular citizens.

Like I said before years after years, Kosovo can pretend, wish and try to be a country but will never be one.
(Staff, 18 November 2016 18:11)

Sure, for Serbia and a certain "Staff" Kosovo will never be a country. But Kosovo is a country for other 110+ countries around the world. Unfortunately for this certain "Staff" and Serbia, "Staff" and "Serbia" are powerless to control whether a country recognizes Kosovo as a country or not.
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You can not simply take away UNSC 1244.
(Staff, 18 November 2016 18:11)

Exactly... Kosovo declared independence in accordance with UNSCR 1244 (that is now settled thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts). Also, as far as Kosovo is concerned, UNSCR 1244 should be in force forever because it keeps Serbia's army and police outside of Kosovo. Serbia can't simply take away UNSCR 1244.
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Sorry but Kosovo is a disputed Serbian province. Like it or not.
(Staff, 18 November 2016 18:11)

Well, if you like it or not that Kosovo is a disputed Serbian province and if you feel sorry about that, that is totally your business... Kosovo couldn't care less what a certain "Staff" likes, does not like or feels sorry about since the feelings of a certain "Staff" have absolutely no impact on the life of the people in Kosovo.

Hahaha ! Kosovo fooled again.
Yes, the link to Koha Ditore says it all !
Like I said before years after years, Kosovo can pretend, wish and try to be a country but will never be one. You can not simply take away UNSC 1244. You can neglect it - but it is where it is. Sorry but Kosovo is a disputed Serbian province. Like it or not.

http://koha.net/?id=27&l=142404

serb are delusional, the telephone code is a country code and not geographical code. It is signed as a country code. Your discussion should end there.

By agreeing to register a company under Kosovo law No one can deny serbia completely recognized Kosovo independence in this deal.

By agreeing to register a company under Kosovo law No one can deny serbia completely recognized Kosovo independence in this deal.
(Brian Niven, 14 November 2016 13:34)

Ya, you've been saying that for years now. But this deal recognized that Serbia's state carrier is able to operate south of the Ibar without obstruction from Pristina. Serbia's state carrier doesn't directly operate outside of Serbia's border. So Pristina recognized that Telekom Srbija exists in Kosovo-Metohija and agreed to tax-free status too!

Also, it is Serbia that applies for your calling code, not Albania like you wanted. And it will be applied for on behalf of a geographical region, not a country. Plus, when people in Kosovo-Metohija call Central Serbia, it is treated as a local not an international call. Not a bad deal because it is in accordance with more than autonomy, less than independence.

@ Ari Gold
It was Kosovo who asked for it, not Serbia, to be clear!
Bravo Kosovo, Bravooo!

To all my Albanians here: People…, Serbs lose and still are losing at least let them “cry” In peace.
Why you lose your time with a insignificant minority less than 2%.

Also, it is Serbia that applies for your calling code, not Albania like you wanted. And it will be applied for on behalf of a geographical region, not a country. Plus, when people in Kosovo-Metohija call Central Serbia, it is treated as a local not an international call. Not a bad deal because it is in accordance with more than autonomy, less than independence.
(Ari Gold, 14 November 2016 14:17)

Absolutely wrong Ari Gold or Silver,
Austria applied on behalf of Kosova for an international dialing code and not Serbia.

This call is International call, despite the fact b92 said long distance.

382,385,386,387, when dialing 381 and vice versa are all International call, which means 383 is in same position as the rest. I read that 384 is unsigned yet and is being kept ready for Vojvodina!?

I welcome the agreement on telecommunications reached in the Kosovo talks in Brussels. All the agreements would have been reached so far and there would have been no Albanian flip-flopping, backtracking and breaching the rules of negotiations unless there had been a powerful counselor overseas who tutored Albanians how to flout rules and undermine negotiations with Serbia. Fortunately , with the 2016. presidential election, the powerful counselor, the dynasty Clintons ,George Soros and their cronies have been discarded into a waste dump and cannot influence the Serbian issues any longer. The love between Albanians and Hillary& Bill has been terminated. The is the first effect of the Clintons being stripped of power. No more global power, no more laundered money from drug-dealers for Clinton foundation. All the tensions in Europe, including Russian issue, will be relaxed.

Ari Gold you are wrong. B92 says the calls will be long distance calls and the company must be registered as operating in the "independent and sovereign republic of Kosovo" It is a subsidiary not the Serbian company.

It's referred to as a country code and not a 'geographical' one. But, if that flies in Serbia then so be it. If you're happy with it then so are we. It's a Win-Win, right? Or, win for Serbia and loss for Kosovo. Either way, we're OK with it.

By agreeing to register a company under Kosovo law No one can deny serbia completely recognized Kosovo independence in this deal.
(Brian Niven, 14 November 2016 13:34)

Is that all you're capable of thinking? Are you really that comical a one-hit wonder? Did you even bother to read the details?

1. Telekom Srbija gets a daughter company in Kosovo, which effectively allows it to maintain operation without any competition or obstruction. In short, Serbia controls the landline service in Kosovo.

2. The dialing code is basically all Kosovo gets, which is maintained and operated by Telekom Srbija's daughter company, ensuring all revenues, taxes, fees, and other services goes to its parent company.

3. The majority of opinion among Kosovo's Albanian groups are opposed to this deal, chastising the government for basically giving them little more than a number that is separate from the rest of the Serbia but no economic assets because Pristina agreed to a compromise that, like most things in Kosovo, gave independence in image but not in substance.

4. Kosovo is given a two-year transition period that, upon approval from Telekom Srbija, transfers the dialing codes to +383, which they now are the carriers.

I doubt this "victory" will see Kosovo gain a UN seat. Sorry to burst your bubble. Again.

This call is International call, despite the fact b92 said long distance.
(the truth, 14 November 2016 16:04)

That's funny because according to Albanians, Telekom Srbija will then control all of its "international calls". It also "owns" the +383 prefix though a sister company that retains all assets and utilities in the territory.

Enjoy your "independent" prefix. Everytime you use it, euros are deposited into a Serbian bank account :)

http://koha.net/?id=27&l=142404

Albanians do have their own dialing code.
+964 Kurdistan

Regardless, MUP will have access to the dial codes to continue to monitor the KLA and Albanian terrorists including Thaci.

I think our Albanian friends are only reading the headlines again without the fine print. That's ok, be happy in your ignorance. But one day you will come to the realization that it was Serbia that requests another calling code for ITSELF that it decides to allocate for the Kosovo-Metohija region. It is Serbia's sate owned company that directly operates south of the Ibar once again and it is Serbs in Kosovo-Metohija that can call their families in Central Serbia and have the calls treated as a local, not international call. I wouldn't categorize that as too much of a win on your side of things, but if you're happy, I'm happy.

It was Kosovo who asked for it, not Serbia, to be clear!
(Joni, 14 November 2016 16:14)

Yep they asked for it, and boy did they get it! Be careful what you ask for, my dear Joni! You seem to be losing everytime!

http://koha.net/?id=27&l=142423

This “daughter company” makes no sense and is so silly and laughable. Its going to be foreign subsidiary! The Serbian company doesn’t want to register as operating in the sovereign and independent republic of Kosovo and re register in a place where its supposedly already is. The Serbia telecom are setting up a foreign subsidiary that will register itself as a Kosovo company operating in the sovereign and independent republic of Kosovo. No one is being fooled outside of the ridiculous government which should be charged with treason for violating the constitution if anybody cared to! Djuric must be charge with treason!

i agree with go home you are drunk

I have to thank this company that decide to invest its money in Kosovo, for the new jobs that she will open there, for the facilities she will provide to our companies and people, for the taxes she will pay to Kosovo gov. …
(Joni, 15 November 2016 08:59)

No, Telekom Srbija gets tax exempt status. Did you not read the actual agreement? Did you not read that the phone code is Serbia's because it is Serbia who will apply for this code, not Albania like you wanted? Whatever, blissful ignorance is fine with me just don't start acting like savages again when you read the fine print, please.

My dear, you are trying to convince me ??
(Joni, 15 November 2016 08:59)

I fear that's an effort in futility. You can't even take your own media seriously. I deliberately referenced Koha Ditore to show how displeased Kosovo Albanians are with the deal and you have the nerve to say it's Serbian propaganda? You and the rest of the Albanian truth deniers are a laughable lot.

Are you people programmed from decades of Hoxha groupthink to believe the exact opposite of reality or is this something Hoxha simply exploited?

But please, continue to display your ignorance and denial on this site for all to see. It's hilarious!

@ Ari, the actual truth and many others, here is a link about International calls: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Kosovo+country+code

vatican city's country code: +379
puerto rico's country codes: +787, +939

usa's country code: +1
canada's country code: +1

vatican city is not a country
puerto rico is not a country

usa and canada share the same code and are two different countries


before you cry yourself a river on which you can paddle your way to success you might consider that what you thought was some sort of standard is in fact not at all. but don't let country examples defeat your theorems

omg haha. let this clown keep his propaganda... who is now days taking serbia seriously ? no one.. not even serbia's people.. croatia slovenia now montenegro albania all are Nato.. serbia after all ex yogoslav countries now is trying with kosovo.. but soon they will come back to reality.. and understand that if they want to enter kosovo.. they have to show their document to the border.. and have not at all influence... with this mentality hate and propaganda.. Serbia will Never Be EU... NEVER

Does Vojvodina has their own dial code?
(Gjon Marku, 15 November 2016 08:47)

No, but Hong Kong and Macau do. Just as the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar. None of them are sovereign states. Remember Kosovo is a "special case". And increasingly "special case" means mentally handicapped since its inhabitants frequently need things explained to them in slow and easy to read sentences.

(The Count of Kosova, 15 November 2016 14:12)
Lord of the Dance read this slowly and it might sink in. I said might but I doubt it.
Its exactly as Djuric has said.
The +383 dialing code is owned by Serbia and has been given to Kosovo as a geographical, rather than an international region, "like China has several dialing codes, such as one for the mainland and one for Hong Kong, another for Macau and another for Taiwan, and the UK has one for the mainland and another for the Falkland Islands,".
Perhaps one day you guys might get it LOL.

(icj1, 18 October 2016 16:16)
What has our resident albanian idiot been saying ad nauseam? “Since sj is the CE of B92 forums sj is always correct we must adhere to his/her teachings ………. “Only a brilliant economist like the CE of B92 forums …
Therefore, as icj has declared sj to be brilliant then sj declares icj1 to be an albanian idiot. We now have irrefutable proof of icj1 confirming that whatever sj writes is the truth, the conclusive evidence is that even icj1 agrees with sj’s statement that he/she is an idiot

Provincial code in the province of Kosovo, Serbia. Quite honestly, that shouldn't even be given at all. Nothing should be given to them.

The problem with the Albanians is that they are misled by their leaders at every turn. This dialing code is being sold to them as a five course dinner with Dom Perignon and 50 year old Hennessy Cognac brandy when in fact its mere scraps off the table and swept on the floor.

All is being done becasue their leaders are so keen to sell to outside investors and pocket the profits. The only profits the local Albos will see is in the newspapers when they read about the sale.

Does Vojvodina has their own dial code? Does Telekom Serbia also have limited access thru a different legal entity in Vojvodina?

You see, it doesnt matter what you say or how much you lie here. As soon as ITU has allocated the dial code for Kosovo, its on their homepage. You get to see the owner and you also get to see if its an international country code or just another regional code.

Basically all this talk here is nonsense since we are about to see the truth, once ITU has officially added the new prefix to its list.

Stay tuned and check UIT form time to time instead of listening to your lying officials.

@ the actual truth

My dear, you are trying to convince me ??
You should convince yourself! Now, repeat it 100 time loudly and maybe - maybe you will believe it!
I read the link you send to me, did you read it? Is in the first paragraph after the head line : It say that the news is based on the Serbian media? Did you read it, or you missed it?
You try to convince me, that you won. Of course a Serbian company won at least for two years, but I doubt the Serbian state.
I have to thank this company that decide to invest its money in Kosovo, for the new jobs that she will open there, for the facilities she will provide to our companies and people, for the taxes she will pay to Kosovo gov. …etc..etc.
Kosovo have a new phone code, new jobs, new infrastructure... but people - to be clear Serbs are the winners. They won.. but actually i don't know what but i don't give a f... He he he!

icj1

GOOD NEWS :

Russia has abandoned the ICJ ...
Who do you think is to be the next?

Ari gold why are you so bitter ? Omg do you have anything else going in your life ? If this is the only thing you have I am sorry about you .

The problem with the Albanians is that they are misled by their leaders at every turn.
(sj, 15 November 2016 08:05)

But Albanians are very lucky that they have the CE of B92 forums sj on their side to protect them from their leaders. Albanians, like the rest of the world, would become so rich once they adopt the teachings of the CE of B92 forums sj!

Not true. It was given to Kosovo* as a disputed territory, as you can read in another article here on B92: http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=15&nav_id=99689

*= without prejudice to its status, and in compliance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999) and the opinion of the International Court of Justice on the declaration of Kosovo's independence

Remember Kosovo is a "special case". And increasingly "special case" means mentally handicapped since its inhabitants frequently need things explained to them in slow and easy to read sentences.
(the actual truth, 15 November 2016 16:26)

Well, you'd find few people, if any, in Kosovo, Serbia or elsewhere who can understand your nonsense. It does not matter how slowly you say it or if you use easy to read sentences... nonsense, remains nonsense lol

Another dumb Serbian euphemism that no one else in the world uses! Geographic code=country code. Daughter company=foreign subsidiary. Boundary=border. Stamps = customs. ID = passport and on and on.

I wouldn't categorize that as too much of a win on your side of things, but if you're happy, I'm happy.
(Ari Gold, 14 November 2016 18:06)

Exactly... This is a win-win agreement since both Kosovo and Serbia are considering it a win. Finally both countries are realising that the relations between Serbia and Kosovo are not a zero sum game.

My beloved friends (Kosovar Albanians and Serbs), you are so blind over there that while you see this as a Win-Win from each side indeed is just a los-los for both of you:

1) Serbia keeps signing deals that just approve you have no more rights
on anything about Kosovo Republic (Which ain't a bad thing tbh it was time things like this happened normally)
2) You Albanians Kosovars keep signing deals where Serbia is always the
one profiting economically (Cause you are nubs and dont have the balls to stand Serbs as an equal part in any deal, at least for now)

So both of you just keep calm and enjoy the life in our shitty Balcan home.

so, when one considers subsidiary vs affiliate , an affiliate is a company where the parent company has less than majority stake in ownership, whereas a subsidiary is one where the parent company has majority ownership. Both cases the affiliate and the subsidiary are children companies of the parent.

Isn't Vojvodina also a geographic region? From what I know they have no international code. With Serbs anything is possible.

The problem with the Albanians is that they are misled by their leaders at every turn. This dialing code is being sold to them as a five course dinner with Dom Perignon and 50 year old Hennessy Cognac brandy when in fact its mere scraps off the table and swept on the floor.

All is being done becasue their leaders are so keen to sell to outside investors and pocket the profits. The only profits the local Albos will see is in the newspapers when they read about the sale.
(sj, 15 November 2016 08:05)


sj a.k.a. Ari Gold,

Do I detect a bit of envy on your part.

Serbia hoisted by its own petard once again.

No, Telekom Srbija gets tax exempt status. Did you not read the actual agreement? Did you not read that the phone code is Serbia's because it is Serbia who will apply for this code, not Albania like you wanted? Whatever, blissful ignorance is fine with me just don't start acting like savages again when you read the fine print, please.
(Ari Gold, 15 November 2016 11:57)

I believe it's Austria that will apply for it, but we'll find out. Serbia says it's OK. Austria applies, and the asterix appears on the documents about the code. Vucic and Thaci make a ton of money from the auction for the licence of the new operator two years from now.

Hey Guys stop Arguments about Stupid 3 digit code who cares how many codes Kosova gets or Serbia from this codes only Vucic and Thaqi get rich not you guys. So start looking after your lifes not stupid 3 digit code.

This is obviously a good agreement: on both sides those in favor have something to brag about, and on both sides, the opposition can find something to complain about.

Kosovo gets its own 3-digit dialing code and a revenue stream in the millions (euros) from taxes and VAT ( not to mention savings to users on the cost of using foreign providers); Serbia gets to keep its real estate and equipment. And those who don't want anything to change have a two-year grace period before they have to do anything. (After that, the foreign codes - Monaco +377, Slovenian +386, and +381 - will no longer be in service.

As for insisting that the +383 code is "merely" geographic, then the +385 of Croatia and +381 of Serbia must be also - right? +38 went out with Yugoslavia.

...... Question? - if a Serb from UK ( where I live) needs to call a Serb in Leposavic ( "in ur so called Kosovo I Metohia") can I please get an answer how the Serb from UK should dial the number? +383 ?
So what you talking about then?
One more thing - I will buy a Serbian sim in Kosovo if this is licences and have cheaper options why not. This is called competition and if the Serbian doughter does well with it then we can get the doughter f•••ked no prb.

Well, it seems like a reasonable compromise. Both Serbs and Albanians are defending (their interpretation of) the agreement so glad this part is over. It just goes to show that Kosovo, to move forward, is still heavily dependent on Serbia. I don't think it is high on the EU's agenda now so it really is up to each side to realistically compromise.

No, Telekom Srbija gets tax exempt status. Did you not read the actual agreement? Did you not read that the phone code is Serbia's because it is Serbia who will apply for this code, not Albania like you wanted? Whatever, blissful ignorance is fine with me just don't start acting like savages again when you read the fine print, please.
(Ari Gold, 15 November 2016 11:57)
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Telekom Srbija as such will not be active in Kosovo - a newly-formed subsidiary will take oveoro its assets there and be subject to Kosovo law and taxes. It's the transfer that's free of taxes (and customs etc), not operating profits.

Also, Serbia did not apply for the code on Kosovo's behalf, Austria did (last January).

"Pristina, 5 January 2016
Minister for Dialogue, Edita Tahiri, said that Austria applied yesterday to the ITU for Kosovo telephone code, in accordance with the Brussels agreement on telecommunications. The official confirmation on the application of Austria for Kosovo telephone code we have received from the European Union and the Austrian Embassy in Kosovo, said the Minister thanking the Austrian state for its very important commitment in order Kosovo to have its international telephone code." http://www.kryeministri-ks.net/?page=2,9,5490

Serbia agreed to the change. Of course, if Kosovo were to break this agreement, it would probably lose the number. That's notreally the same as being able to withdraw their agreement arbitrarily.

Hahaha ! Kosovo fooled again.
Yes, the link to Koha Ditore says it all !
Like I said before years after years, Kosovo can pretend, wish and try to be a country but will never be one. You can not simply take away UNSC 1244. You can neglect it - but it is where it is. Sorry but Kosovo is a disputed Serbian province. Like it or not.

http://koha.net/?id=27&l=142404

Does Vojvodina has their own dial code?
(Gjon Marku, 15 November 2016 08:47)

No, but +384 remains unallocated. Yugoslavia used to be +38, and when it began to break up, codes for potential separate states based on the old code were made available. Only +384 has not be allocated yet - maybe Serbia should offer it to Vojvodina?

This code is the property of the Republic of Serbia which it has given by ITU to Serbia for the needs of the geographical region Kosovo as a result of the 2013 Brussels Agreement signed by the governments of Serbia and Kosovo.

"Serbian national provider Telekom Srbija will officially operate in Kosovo as a subsidiary company MTS d.o.o, legally recognised by the international community and the Pristina institutions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Kosovo

Just to make matter clear here, this definitely looks like a win for Serbia imo. With that said, it's not a critical matter when it comes to the status of Kosovo and an agreement had to be made for the benefit of regular citizens.

Like I said before years after years, Kosovo can pretend, wish and try to be a country but will never be one.
(Staff, 18 November 2016 18:11)

Sure, for Serbia and a certain "Staff" Kosovo will never be a country. But Kosovo is a country for other 110+ countries around the world. Unfortunately for this certain "Staff" and Serbia, "Staff" and "Serbia" are powerless to control whether a country recognizes Kosovo as a country or not.
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You can not simply take away UNSC 1244.
(Staff, 18 November 2016 18:11)

Exactly... Kosovo declared independence in accordance with UNSCR 1244 (that is now settled thanks to Vuk's herculean efforts). Also, as far as Kosovo is concerned, UNSCR 1244 should be in force forever because it keeps Serbia's army and police outside of Kosovo. Serbia can't simply take away UNSCR 1244.
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Sorry but Kosovo is a disputed Serbian province. Like it or not.
(Staff, 18 November 2016 18:11)

Well, if you like it or not that Kosovo is a disputed Serbian province and if you feel sorry about that, that is totally your business... Kosovo couldn't care less what a certain "Staff" likes, does not like or feels sorry about since the feelings of a certain "Staff" have absolutely no impact on the life of the people in Kosovo.

serb are delusional, the telephone code is a country code and not geographical code. It is signed as a country code. Your discussion should end there.