Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
(Bob, 22 April 2016 23:40)
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Nobody is asking you to remember or respect anyone but don't you come on a Serbian site and tell us who we should remember.
We are not "ranting" and I find it very offensive that you put it that way. Serbian lives don't matter to you but they matter to us very much.
You want to rant about Albanian, Bosnian or Croatian lives, go to one of their sites and do just that.
But when you have people that blatenly lie (Clown of Kosovo, Observer,Guest etc),that the Albanian - Shqipire's people never killed any other Albanian ,and ALL are peace loving people,I laugh
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 25 April 2016 21:32)
I totally agree with you on this. Saying that an Albanian never killed another Albanian is obviously a lie. Of course Albanians have killed Albanians, Serbs have killed Serbs, Americans have killed Americans, Russians have killed Russians, and so on...
I think that a lot of Albanian magazines are reading B92 and have seen and are copying that film that Drimades said. We have become famous but we have to hear both ends here not only what Serbs say.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 25 April 2016 18:57)
To Skenderbeu,
I have no problems, with Albania input (Balbao the Albanian, etc).But when you have people that blatenly lie (Clown of Kosovo, Observer,Guest etc),that the Albanian - Shqipire's people never killed any other Albanian ,and ALL are peace loving people,I laugh how, ridiculous they write,and on our Serb day of mourning of the Croatian Ustashi death camps,where over 100,000 men,women,and children where savagely murdered.That was not a day for Serb's to read opion of how only Serb's kill Serb's, and Albanian's never killed any Albanian, or even now Greek's, what a big lie.Feel free to express your opion,but don't write nonsense and ridicules lies.
P's every race (Albanian's, Serb's, Croat's, Bosnjak's,Montenegrain's ) killed civilians during the Balkans War.That is a true fact!.
I ask icj1 to send us the links of some Croatians links so we can hear what they have to say on this topic. icj1 said he has croat friends so please icj1 if you read me and I think you always read the comments here ask them if they have any online magazine in English so we can ask them what they think of Jasenovac. I think that a lot of Albanian magazines are reading B92 and have seen and are copying that film that Drimades said. We have become famous but we have to hear both ends here not only what Serbs say.
Albanians don't have religious problems – but as much as we are reading here about Jasenovac – let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
Are you from the planet earth? Albanian declared war on Greece and the United States in WWII and attacked Greece along with the Italians. Both Italy and Albania were trounced and sent back packing, my great grandparents took thousands of Italians and Albanian troops prisoners, sometimes only a few Greeks took hundreds of Albanian and Italian "warriors" prisoners!
During the Axis occupation the Muslim Chams set up their own administration and militia, part of the fascist Balli Kombetar organization, at Thesprotia and collaborated closely with both the Italians and — when Italy capitulated
The Germans.Cham units committed, alongside the Wehrmacht, a number of atrocities on their ethnically Greek fellow citizens burning houses and villages killing several hundred ethnic Greeks and forcing thousands to flee their homes.
Start learning your Albanian horrific human rights record and the stealing of Greek and Serbian land.
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
Constant violations of human rights and vandalism of both Albanian and Greek Orthodox churches. The Albanian tradition of banditry continues with the selling of stolen icons in the open market.
irana, October 10, 2013
The police in Tirana, Albania, have confiscated over 100 icons and other works of art that had been stolen from Orthodox churches all over the country, and arrested two members of a band of smugglers.
A police representative said that the stolen things had been intended for selling abroad, reports Romphea.Those arrested are two men, aged 39 and 52 years old, from the towns of Pogradec and Korce respectively, both having previous convictions for similar crimes.Church robberies in Albania are wide-spread. Representatives of Orthodox communities are expressing their concern that those guilty are almost never found and punished.
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/64902.htm
let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
To Joni,
Yes Joni ,you Shqiptars protected the Greek community's with your famous Balli Kombetar, killing and murdering them. Yes,you forgot your murderers Albanian Army called ,"Balli Kombetar ",or Ballistae!,very warm hearted Army!.
@ Jugoslavia
Ik more pird&u!
Mr. Jugoslavia, firstly – that Church was not Greek but Albanian one – build in Albanian villages.
Furthermore - That was a Church? Have you seen it? When and where a shack is a Church?
Albanian gov. is rebuilding the new one with the real dimensions she deserved in honor of the Albanian churchman who founded it.
So better stop talking regarding to one topic which you don’t know nothing and furthermore you are not able to understand what it mean.
Albanians don't have religious problems – but as much as we are reading here about Jasenovac – let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
Rote, I don't think I'm entitled to represent Kosovo Albanians. It's not in my natyre to act like Big Brother Tirana towards other Albanians. It wouldn't be fair. But yes, I guess it's high time both Albos & Serbs started to focus on the real issues.
Have you ever got to know a Croat, icj1?
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Yes, a few... Why? Do you want to meet them?
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You should have seen and heard how disgusting Croats found the poor Albos who didn't have enough money to pay for a room
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Ok, but that's the business of those Croats and Albos... Not sure why I should care lol
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I had booked my room, but I couldn't sleep that night
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Sorry, but I'm not a doctor, so not sure I can help you with that :)
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A relative of a friend of mine, an anti-fascist Albo, was one of Jasenovac's prisoners. I once asked my friend if he had ever told them how was living in Jasenovac like. The only thing that late old man said was that there was nothing to tell on what a human being can do to another weak human being. That man remained silent for the rest of his life. This conversation ends here, icj1. Watch it [link]
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Thx mate, but I know already that horrible crimes were committed in Jasenovac during WW2 by the Nazis. That is not an excuse though for anybody to become like the Nazis and commit genocide in Europe half a century after Jasenovac. That's like killing the innocent victims of Jasenovac a second time since it would mean that their suffering was in vain.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
(icj1, 22 April 2016 14:23)
for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
I have no idea what that is! Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)
(icj1, 23 April 2016 01:03)
Does it have anything to do with the Remembrance Day on Jasenovac?
(rote, 23 April 2016 15:21)
According to our dear friend BeliOraoSrbija, it does!
And of course Yugoslavia, we are fine but we still expect the Alb authorities to fart less and to finally return to our church its monasteries and other properties, each and any single property. Otherwise, we're fine, we're doing great, we're stronger than ever, threats never worked nor they will with stubborn Orthos, and so on ;)
Chief economist, genocide was committed in Bosnia and yet the only Slav I've ever met who had no doubt that Kosovo belonged to Serbia and Albos have nothing to do with Kosovo, nothing, nada, was a Bosnian lady, a very 'intellectual' lady who was born in Sarajevo. Have you ever got to know a Croat, icj1? Years ago I took a ferry whose crew members were Croatian. The passengers were Albanians. The major part of my buddies didn't have enough money to afford dinner in the ferry's restaurant, so they had prepared their sandwiches at home. Others chose to sleep on the floor....You should have seen and heard how disgusting Croats found the poor Albos who didn't have enough money to pay for a room, chief economist. You didn't see that knife? I've 'seen' it on that ferry. Of course, I had booked my room, but I couldn't sleep that night, chief economist. A relative of a friend of mine, an anti-fascist Albo, was one of Jasenovac's prisoners. I once asked my friend if he had ever told them how was living in Jasenovac like. The only thing that late old man said was that there was nothing to tell on what a human being can do to another weak human being. That man remained silent for the rest of his life. This conversation ends here, icj1. Watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCRQKp54yVM
We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
(The Count of Kosova, 23 April 2016
Yes you Shqiptars do kill each other,you lie,but don't forget your famous Albanian Blood feud's!. You Albanian's Blood feud's cost over 100,000 live's. Lol,what a idiot or either a liar you are ,Clown of Pristina!!.
P's I call you Clown ,because you make me laugh, when you lie.
May the world never forget the GENOCIDE in Srebrenica. Vucic has said for 1 Serb 100 Muslims will be massacred.
(Star, 23 April 2016 01:26) #
Don't worry Star,
We Serb's lost 1 million Serb's during each of the Great World War,and 2 nd War,that's 2 million,compared to your 8,000 Muslim Soldiers, that you are comparing too. So what Vucic spoke 25 hears ago,your Muslims did, murder ,slaughter,kill,fellow Serbs 75 years ago.
P's ,And that amount of 1 million death of Men,Women,and Children is a REAL GENOCIDE.Comparing 1 million cilivans to 3,000 soldiers is pretty weak,and stupid,on your day of remembrance.Any other day disputed if you like,but not on this day . Feel free to dispute my comments!.
Star : Vucic has said for 1 Serb 100 Muslims will be massacred.
*** I saw this phrase so many times on this forum that I begin to think that you all feel regret that he failed to keep his words.
icj1 : “Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)”
*** Does it have anything to do with the Remembrance Day on Jasenovac? If so, I'll check :)
Drymades
The tragedy is that we don’t discuss our real problems but try to paint black one another. Looks like we are programmed to keep blind eyes at everything positive. I personally mind the logics that Serbs or Shqips are bad in everything just because they are Serbs or Shqips. We have only one big problem that appeared 16 years ago and we mustn’t add fuel of the past to our relations. It will lead us to nowhere.
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And, it is not because its author doesn't know any better, the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid."Albania is the most religiously tolerant country in Europe". I, personally, have relatives, some of which are either Catholic, Muslim or Orthodox. We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
(The Count of Kosova)
You Clown of Kosovo,are constantly lying,and your famous CREATURES that killed " Balli Kombetar", or "Shqipire's Ballistae ",lead by Ali Kelcyra and by Midhad Frasheri,where predominantly "Ghegs",fought against fellow Shqipire's predominantly " Tosks". The Shqipire's Balli Kombetar ,murdered ,primative killed ,savagely slaughtered,fellow Shqipire's, Serb's, Romani,Bosnjak's.The fought for their Masters the Germany NAZI'S, and Italy Nazi's!
You Count forgot your famous tradition and lied that you Shqipire still practice today in Albania BLOOD FUEDING and kill fellow innocent Shqiptars, just to get even because his relative is a murderer!!.
So Count you are constantly lying that you Albanian's are Angle's, instead your history is full of fellow Shqiptars murdering fellow Shqiptars, from Balli Kombetar Army,to your famous BLOOD FUEDS.I laught out loud,how you lie about your history.
Albania is the Only Country in Europe that still practice THE KILLINGS or BLOOD FUEDING .
Anything writen by myself,anyone feel free to dispute this.
In WW2 everybody sat quiet in Europe but the Serbs so they decided to fight. One partisan army was not enough for them otherwise we would have 3-5 million of extra Serbs today. They weren’t punished enough so we won’t let divert our attention from Srebrenica and other crimes.
"the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid. I, personally, have relatives, " (The Count of Kosova, 23 April 2016 07:51
(1) Albanian Government Tears down Greek Orthodox Church
(2) Second Attack on Church in Dhermi, Albania
(3) Greek Orthodox Church demolished in Albania
There is much more such as the stealing of vast amounts of icons and selling them to the black market. I think you have an obligation to inform your "relatives" of the increasing pressure on the Albanian Orthodox Church and its Greek leader Patriarch Anastasios.
Next time don't put words in my mouth clown and will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a liar but blinded by Albanian nationalism. Anyone who thinks Tirana is the most beautiful city in Europe is got problems.
Albanians like to say how they treat all religions fairly, that is not true in Albania where the Orthodox Church is constantly under threat.
(Jugoslavija, 22 April 2016 18:22)
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And, it is not because its author doesn't know any better, the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid. Not long ago the world saw Pope Francis make His first Papal visit to Albania because, (His words), "Albania is the most religiously tolerant country in Europe". I, personally, have relatives, some of which are either Catholic, Muslim or Orthodox. We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
Yugoslavia, I still hope that icj1 could really add some substance to the discussion, to any discussion. What if Serbia decided to ask the 'civilized' countries to recognize the Serbian genocide during WWII, icj1? Which they won't never do icj1, and you know why. Yugoslavia, Kosovo has had a rather strong anti-fascist tradition. Two names: Ali Kelmendi and Fadil Hoxha. You probably know the latter, google up Kelmendi, if you have some spare time. To the best of my knowledge, Serbs and Kosovo's Albos paid a very high price for their Yugoslavia. Serbs suffered more casualties than any other nation. Some Albos joined the Axis' troops. Other Albanians, the most part, joined the Communists. Others were soon stabbed in their back from their own Yugo communist fellows, see the Bar massacre....So, Yugoslavia, it took you 75 years to finally commemorate and honor in an appropriate way the WWII Serbian victims and you think I'm going to whine here on how Orthos are threatened in Albania? Who can ever threaten those who worship our Lord, Yugoslavia? Nah, we're fine, we're doing fine, always lighting our candles. I'll light this fool's humble candle for Jasenovac victims this upcoming Sunday. Soon it will be Easter time again, Yugos :)
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
(Bob, 22 April 2016 23:40)
To Bob,
Today we Serb's remember the 1 million plus Serb Men,Women and Children that died during the 2 nd War, just because they where born Serbian,and had their faith!!.If you don't understand stand that today is a day to remember these people that Genocide, I mean Genocide went in this concentration camp over 100,000 Serb's, Jew's and Romani where slaughtered, murdered, killed,tortured, and raped,before the 1990's war,then you are a cruel, savage , brutal human being, like your people that did this crime .
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
(icj1, 22 April 2016 14:23)
icj1, Jasenovac and Jastrebarsko are textbook examples of the crime of 'genocide' and the fact that Serbs have never been whining on those victims is just a sign of their dignity.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
Ok, I did not question any textbook and I have always been an advocate of Serbs being given a medal for machoism
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for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
I have no idea what that is! Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)
What Albanians call "Kosova"*** was built on genocide by expelling the indigenous Serbian population. Croatia was twice built on genocide and all this comes from assistance from Germany, who are the genocide experts with help from the USA, which was also built on genocide of the indigenous population
(Zoran, 22 April 2016 18:29)
So, was Serbia the only one that was not built on genocide of the indigenous population?! Or time starts when Serb tribes arrived in the Balkans?!!!
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
Jasenovac is proof that the Third Reich's secret program to exterminate the Jews was never really motivated by racial theory, but was instead a religious exercise. Not all the Serb were to be exterminated under the novel Third Reich Ustasha regime. One third were to exiled, one third were to be murdered.
RIP to all those that died.
(Zoran, 22 April 2016 13:27)
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@ the degenerate who marked this a 'poor comment'
You are an example of why not one generation in the Balkans has known peace.
What you wish for others will visit you and those you love.
What's with you albanians? This article is about Jasenovac and not Srebrenica. When it is about Srebrenica you can comment. Seems like you have a hard time accepting the fact that serbs are the victims.
RIP to all those killed by croatian and albanian fascists.
What Albanians call "Kosova"*** was built on genocide by expelling the indigenous Serbian population. Croatia was twice built on genocide and all this comes from assistance from Germany, who are the genocide experts with help from the USA, which was also built on genocide of the indigenous population and slavery, committed genocide in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Vietnam. Lets not forget Turkey's role in its support for "Kosova"*** and its genocide in Armenia.
.for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1. Vdekje fashizmit - liri popullit. Smrt fashizmu - svoboda narodu. Glory to Albo & Yugo partizans.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32) # Comment link
Don't bother arguing with a fool, its a waste of time. Your one of few Albanian commentators who knows what he is talking about and tells the truth. In fact, most Albanians that actually live in Kosmet and Albanian have similar views and want to prosper. Albanians like to say how they treat all religions fairly, that is not true in Albania where the Orthodox Church is constantly under threat.
icj1, Jasenovac and Jastrebarsko are textbook examples of the crime of 'genocide' and the fact that Serbs have never been whining on those victims is just a sign of their dignity. Their personal and their national dignity. Try to raise your personal bar once in a while, for God's sake, try to show to the audience you really studied law somewhere not in Kenya. Although in Kenya looks like people know everything there is to know re international conventions and courts....for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1. Vdekje fashizmit - liri popullit. Smrt fashizmu - svoboda narodu. Glory to Albo & Yugo partizans.
Rememberance? Serbian people were the first ones to forget and forgive Croatia when they put Tito on the throne in Beograd! Tito became the mortal God to Serbian people and he was so successful to keep the truth buried along with all the Eastern Orthodox Christianity that was tortured and murdered by all enemies of the South Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christians! Shame on all Serbians who loved Tito, that is why we are all in the position we are in today! Serbians murdered our Angel Draza, now we the innocent Serbians continue to suffer the curse!!!
To Guest,or non Guest
You are always writing very silly comment's,and are either Shqiptar ,Bosnjak or Croatian, which mean's that your family or people murdered, killed,tortured,and Raped,over 1 million ,Serb's during the second war ,that is not counting the death during the Great (first) War!. The Shqiptar Ballista or Balli Kombetar and Croatian Ustashi with Bosnjak Ustashi,slaughtered, murdered,killed,raped over 1 million Serb's during the 2nd War,that's 1,000,000 Serbian Men,Women,and children.The Croatian's admit their guilt,but Bosnjak (Muslims) and Albanian (Balli Kombetar ) don't admit guilt or recognition of the Genocide of these Serb, Men,Women and Children.Your way of thinking is why we have hate still after 70 years. When you "Shqiptars or Bosnjaks", loose, by murder over 1 million people of your race or population,we Serb's will call it Genocide,but it's up to you Shqiptars, and Bosnjaks ,to admit guilt and say sorry,as well beg for forgiveness of your crimes ,Genocide,killings against over 1 million Serb Men,Women and children,then we all can sit down together, and talk about the killings of 1990's.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
@ Guest
You must be one of the nations who helped commit genocide against Serbs and Jewish people, why else would you come on here and make such a stupid statement.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
Guest get a life and worry about your own country.
I challenge Serbians to recognize the Srebreniza genocide, and mass killings throughout Yugoslavia done on non-Serbians. I think that itself will definitely heal a lot of wounds and get serbia a long way ahead. Serbia holds the key to healing the families of the victim. Her neighbors should follow up and do the same. Unless that happens I don't see bridges being built, but hate that will ruin generations to come.
“confirmed by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, some 500,000 Serbs, 80,000 Roma, 32,000 Jews disappeared in Jasenovac, along with tens of thousands of anti-fascists of different nationalities.”
If someone thinks that such proportion of the Jewish and non-Jewish victims in Poland or USSR or somewhere else was much different he is naiive about the Holocaust. This word as well as the idea of Holocaust appeared in the USA 9 years after the WW2. Meanwhile in Nurnberg fate of the Jews wasn’t something special. Of course since 1942 (after the battle for Moscow) the situation for the Jews worsened but same happened to all the Soviets. Guess the trend reached the Balkans too. Besides the partisan movement in Yugoslavia (only!) became national idea. And like elsewhere local collaborationists were running before the train. Mostoften they massacred more people than the Nazi.
To Guest
In Caucasus the say that a guest is a guest only until he remembers it. In central Russia they say НЕЗВАНЫЙ ГОСТЬ ХУЖЕ ТАТАРИНА = NOT INVITED GUEST IS EVEN WORSE THAN A TATARIAN.
@ Guest
You must be one of the nations who helped commit genocide against Serbs and Jewish people, why else would you come on here and make such a stupid statement.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
Guest get a life and worry about your own country.
What's with you albanians? This article is about Jasenovac and not Srebrenica. When it is about Srebrenica you can comment. Seems like you have a hard time accepting the fact that serbs are the victims.
RIP to all those killed by croatian and albanian fascists.
To Guest,or non Guest
You are always writing very silly comment's,and are either Shqiptar ,Bosnjak or Croatian, which mean's that your family or people murdered, killed,tortured,and Raped,over 1 million ,Serb's during the second war ,that is not counting the death during the Great (first) War!. The Shqiptar Ballista or Balli Kombetar and Croatian Ustashi with Bosnjak Ustashi,slaughtered, murdered,killed,raped over 1 million Serb's during the 2nd War,that's 1,000,000 Serbian Men,Women,and children.The Croatian's admit their guilt,but Bosnjak (Muslims) and Albanian (Balli Kombetar ) don't admit guilt or recognition of the Genocide of these Serb, Men,Women and Children.Your way of thinking is why we have hate still after 70 years. When you "Shqiptars or Bosnjaks", loose, by murder over 1 million people of your race or population,we Serb's will call it Genocide,but it's up to you Shqiptars, and Bosnjaks ,to admit guilt and say sorry,as well beg for forgiveness of your crimes ,Genocide,killings against over 1 million Serb Men,Women and children,then we all can sit down together, and talk about the killings of 1990's.
“confirmed by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, some 500,000 Serbs, 80,000 Roma, 32,000 Jews disappeared in Jasenovac, along with tens of thousands of anti-fascists of different nationalities.”
If someone thinks that such proportion of the Jewish and non-Jewish victims in Poland or USSR or somewhere else was much different he is naiive about the Holocaust. This word as well as the idea of Holocaust appeared in the USA 9 years after the WW2. Meanwhile in Nurnberg fate of the Jews wasn’t something special. Of course since 1942 (after the battle for Moscow) the situation for the Jews worsened but same happened to all the Soviets. Guess the trend reached the Balkans too. Besides the partisan movement in Yugoslavia (only!) became national idea. And like elsewhere local collaborationists were running before the train. Mostoften they massacred more people than the Nazi.
To Guest
In Caucasus the say that a guest is a guest only until he remembers it. In central Russia they say НЕЗВАНЫЙ ГОСТЬ ХУЖЕ ТАТАРИНА = NOT INVITED GUEST IS EVEN WORSE THAN A TATARIAN.
What Albanians call "Kosova"*** was built on genocide by expelling the indigenous Serbian population. Croatia was twice built on genocide and all this comes from assistance from Germany, who are the genocide experts with help from the USA, which was also built on genocide of the indigenous population and slavery, committed genocide in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Vietnam. Lets not forget Turkey's role in its support for "Kosova"*** and its genocide in Armenia.
I challenge Serbians to recognize the Srebreniza genocide, and mass killings throughout Yugoslavia done on non-Serbians. I think that itself will definitely heal a lot of wounds and get serbia a long way ahead. Serbia holds the key to healing the families of the victim. Her neighbors should follow up and do the same. Unless that happens I don't see bridges being built, but hate that will ruin generations to come.
RIP to all those that died.
(Zoran, 22 April 2016 13:27)
Recommend (+18) Poor comment (-1)
@ the degenerate who marked this a 'poor comment'
You are an example of why not one generation in the Balkans has known peace.
What you wish for others will visit you and those you love.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
Rememberance? Serbian people were the first ones to forget and forgive Croatia when they put Tito on the throne in Beograd! Tito became the mortal God to Serbian people and he was so successful to keep the truth buried along with all the Eastern Orthodox Christianity that was tortured and murdered by all enemies of the South Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christians! Shame on all Serbians who loved Tito, that is why we are all in the position we are in today! Serbians murdered our Angel Draza, now we the innocent Serbians continue to suffer the curse!!!
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
(Bob, 22 April 2016 23:40)
To Bob,
Today we Serb's remember the 1 million plus Serb Men,Women and Children that died during the 2 nd War, just because they where born Serbian,and had their faith!!.If you don't understand stand that today is a day to remember these people that Genocide, I mean Genocide went in this concentration camp over 100,000 Serb's, Jew's and Romani where slaughtered, murdered, killed,tortured, and raped,before the 1990's war,then you are a cruel, savage , brutal human being, like your people that did this crime .
.for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1. Vdekje fashizmit - liri popullit. Smrt fashizmu - svoboda narodu. Glory to Albo & Yugo partizans.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32) # Comment link
Don't bother arguing with a fool, its a waste of time. Your one of few Albanian commentators who knows what he is talking about and tells the truth. In fact, most Albanians that actually live in Kosmet and Albanian have similar views and want to prosper. Albanians like to say how they treat all religions fairly, that is not true in Albania where the Orthodox Church is constantly under threat.
May the world never forget the GENOCIDE in Srebrenica. Vucic has said for 1 Serb 100 Muslims will be massacred.
(Star, 23 April 2016 01:26) #
Don't worry Star,
We Serb's lost 1 million Serb's during each of the Great World War,and 2 nd War,that's 2 million,compared to your 8,000 Muslim Soldiers, that you are comparing too. So what Vucic spoke 25 hears ago,your Muslims did, murder ,slaughter,kill,fellow Serbs 75 years ago.
P's ,And that amount of 1 million death of Men,Women,and Children is a REAL GENOCIDE.Comparing 1 million cilivans to 3,000 soldiers is pretty weak,and stupid,on your day of remembrance.Any other day disputed if you like,but not on this day . Feel free to dispute my comments!.
We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
(The Count of Kosova, 23 April 2016
Yes you Shqiptars do kill each other,you lie,but don't forget your famous Albanian Blood feud's!. You Albanian's Blood feud's cost over 100,000 live's. Lol,what a idiot or either a liar you are ,Clown of Pristina!!.
P's I call you Clown ,because you make me laugh, when you lie.
icj1, Jasenovac and Jastrebarsko are textbook examples of the crime of 'genocide' and the fact that Serbs have never been whining on those victims is just a sign of their dignity. Their personal and their national dignity. Try to raise your personal bar once in a while, for God's sake, try to show to the audience you really studied law somewhere not in Kenya. Although in Kenya looks like people know everything there is to know re international conventions and courts....for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1. Vdekje fashizmit - liri popullit. Smrt fashizmu - svoboda narodu. Glory to Albo & Yugo partizans.
"the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid. I, personally, have relatives, " (The Count of Kosova, 23 April 2016 07:51
(1) Albanian Government Tears down Greek Orthodox Church
(2) Second Attack on Church in Dhermi, Albania
(3) Greek Orthodox Church demolished in Albania
There is much more such as the stealing of vast amounts of icons and selling them to the black market. I think you have an obligation to inform your "relatives" of the increasing pressure on the Albanian Orthodox Church and its Greek leader Patriarch Anastasios.
Next time don't put words in my mouth clown and will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a liar but blinded by Albanian nationalism. Anyone who thinks Tirana is the most beautiful city in Europe is got problems.
Jasenovac is proof that the Third Reich's secret program to exterminate the Jews was never really motivated by racial theory, but was instead a religious exercise. Not all the Serb were to be exterminated under the novel Third Reich Ustasha regime. One third were to exiled, one third were to be murdered.
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And, it is not because its author doesn't know any better, the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid."Albania is the most religiously tolerant country in Europe". I, personally, have relatives, some of which are either Catholic, Muslim or Orthodox. We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
(The Count of Kosova)
You Clown of Kosovo,are constantly lying,and your famous CREATURES that killed " Balli Kombetar", or "Shqipire's Ballistae ",lead by Ali Kelcyra and by Midhad Frasheri,where predominantly "Ghegs",fought against fellow Shqipire's predominantly " Tosks". The Shqipire's Balli Kombetar ,murdered ,primative killed ,savagely slaughtered,fellow Shqipire's, Serb's, Romani,Bosnjak's.The fought for their Masters the Germany NAZI'S, and Italy Nazi's!
You Count forgot your famous tradition and lied that you Shqipire still practice today in Albania BLOOD FUEDING and kill fellow innocent Shqiptars, just to get even because his relative is a murderer!!.
So Count you are constantly lying that you Albanian's are Angle's, instead your history is full of fellow Shqiptars murdering fellow Shqiptars, from Balli Kombetar Army,to your famous BLOOD FUEDS.I laught out loud,how you lie about your history.
Albania is the Only Country in Europe that still practice THE KILLINGS or BLOOD FUEDING .
Anything writen by myself,anyone feel free to dispute this.
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
Albanians like to say how they treat all religions fairly, that is not true in Albania where the Orthodox Church is constantly under threat.
(Jugoslavija, 22 April 2016 18:22)
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And, it is not because its author doesn't know any better, the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid. Not long ago the world saw Pope Francis make His first Papal visit to Albania because, (His words), "Albania is the most religiously tolerant country in Europe". I, personally, have relatives, some of which are either Catholic, Muslim or Orthodox. We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
Chief economist, genocide was committed in Bosnia and yet the only Slav I've ever met who had no doubt that Kosovo belonged to Serbia and Albos have nothing to do with Kosovo, nothing, nada, was a Bosnian lady, a very 'intellectual' lady who was born in Sarajevo. Have you ever got to know a Croat, icj1? Years ago I took a ferry whose crew members were Croatian. The passengers were Albanians. The major part of my buddies didn't have enough money to afford dinner in the ferry's restaurant, so they had prepared their sandwiches at home. Others chose to sleep on the floor....You should have seen and heard how disgusting Croats found the poor Albos who didn't have enough money to pay for a room, chief economist. You didn't see that knife? I've 'seen' it on that ferry. Of course, I had booked my room, but I couldn't sleep that night, chief economist. A relative of a friend of mine, an anti-fascist Albo, was one of Jasenovac's prisoners. I once asked my friend if he had ever told them how was living in Jasenovac like. The only thing that late old man said was that there was nothing to tell on what a human being can do to another weak human being. That man remained silent for the rest of his life. This conversation ends here, icj1. Watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCRQKp54yVM
Albanians don't have religious problems – but as much as we are reading here about Jasenovac – let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
Are you from the planet earth? Albanian declared war on Greece and the United States in WWII and attacked Greece along with the Italians. Both Italy and Albania were trounced and sent back packing, my great grandparents took thousands of Italians and Albanian troops prisoners, sometimes only a few Greeks took hundreds of Albanian and Italian "warriors" prisoners!
During the Axis occupation the Muslim Chams set up their own administration and militia, part of the fascist Balli Kombetar organization, at Thesprotia and collaborated closely with both the Italians and — when Italy capitulated
The Germans.Cham units committed, alongside the Wehrmacht, a number of atrocities on their ethnically Greek fellow citizens burning houses and villages killing several hundred ethnic Greeks and forcing thousands to flee their homes.
Start learning your Albanian horrific human rights record and the stealing of Greek and Serbian land.
And of course Yugoslavia, we are fine but we still expect the Alb authorities to fart less and to finally return to our church its monasteries and other properties, each and any single property. Otherwise, we're fine, we're doing great, we're stronger than ever, threats never worked nor they will with stubborn Orthos, and so on ;)
What Albanians call "Kosova"*** was built on genocide by expelling the indigenous Serbian population. Croatia was twice built on genocide and all this comes from assistance from Germany, who are the genocide experts with help from the USA, which was also built on genocide of the indigenous population
(Zoran, 22 April 2016 18:29)
So, was Serbia the only one that was not built on genocide of the indigenous population?! Or time starts when Serb tribes arrived in the Balkans?!!!
Yugoslavia, I still hope that icj1 could really add some substance to the discussion, to any discussion. What if Serbia decided to ask the 'civilized' countries to recognize the Serbian genocide during WWII, icj1? Which they won't never do icj1, and you know why. Yugoslavia, Kosovo has had a rather strong anti-fascist tradition. Two names: Ali Kelmendi and Fadil Hoxha. You probably know the latter, google up Kelmendi, if you have some spare time. To the best of my knowledge, Serbs and Kosovo's Albos paid a very high price for their Yugoslavia. Serbs suffered more casualties than any other nation. Some Albos joined the Axis' troops. Other Albanians, the most part, joined the Communists. Others were soon stabbed in their back from their own Yugo communist fellows, see the Bar massacre....So, Yugoslavia, it took you 75 years to finally commemorate and honor in an appropriate way the WWII Serbian victims and you think I'm going to whine here on how Orthos are threatened in Albania? Who can ever threaten those who worship our Lord, Yugoslavia? Nah, we're fine, we're doing fine, always lighting our candles. I'll light this fool's humble candle for Jasenovac victims this upcoming Sunday. Soon it will be Easter time again, Yugos :)
Star : Vucic has said for 1 Serb 100 Muslims will be massacred.
*** I saw this phrase so many times on this forum that I begin to think that you all feel regret that he failed to keep his words.
icj1 : “Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)”
*** Does it have anything to do with the Remembrance Day on Jasenovac? If so, I'll check :)
Drymades
The tragedy is that we don’t discuss our real problems but try to paint black one another. Looks like we are programmed to keep blind eyes at everything positive. I personally mind the logics that Serbs or Shqips are bad in everything just because they are Serbs or Shqips. We have only one big problem that appeared 16 years ago and we mustn’t add fuel of the past to our relations. It will lead us to nowhere.
Have you ever got to know a Croat, icj1?
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Yes, a few... Why? Do you want to meet them?
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You should have seen and heard how disgusting Croats found the poor Albos who didn't have enough money to pay for a room
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Ok, but that's the business of those Croats and Albos... Not sure why I should care lol
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I had booked my room, but I couldn't sleep that night
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Sorry, but I'm not a doctor, so not sure I can help you with that :)
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A relative of a friend of mine, an anti-fascist Albo, was one of Jasenovac's prisoners. I once asked my friend if he had ever told them how was living in Jasenovac like. The only thing that late old man said was that there was nothing to tell on what a human being can do to another weak human being. That man remained silent for the rest of his life. This conversation ends here, icj1. Watch it [link]
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Thx mate, but I know already that horrible crimes were committed in Jasenovac during WW2 by the Nazis. That is not an excuse though for anybody to become like the Nazis and commit genocide in Europe half a century after Jasenovac. That's like killing the innocent victims of Jasenovac a second time since it would mean that their suffering was in vain.
Rote, I don't think I'm entitled to represent Kosovo Albanians. It's not in my natyre to act like Big Brother Tirana towards other Albanians. It wouldn't be fair. But yes, I guess it's high time both Albos & Serbs started to focus on the real issues.
let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
To Joni,
Yes Joni ,you Shqiptars protected the Greek community's with your famous Balli Kombetar, killing and murdering them. Yes,you forgot your murderers Albanian Army called ,"Balli Kombetar ",or Ballistae!,very warm hearted Army!.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
(icj1, 22 April 2016 14:23)
icj1, Jasenovac and Jastrebarsko are textbook examples of the crime of 'genocide' and the fact that Serbs have never been whining on those victims is just a sign of their dignity.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
Ok, I did not question any textbook and I have always been an advocate of Serbs being given a medal for machoism
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for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
I have no idea what that is! Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)
In WW2 everybody sat quiet in Europe but the Serbs so they decided to fight. One partisan army was not enough for them otherwise we would have 3-5 million of extra Serbs today. They weren’t punished enough so we won’t let divert our attention from Srebrenica and other crimes.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
(icj1, 22 April 2016 14:23)
for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
I have no idea what that is! Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)
(icj1, 23 April 2016 01:03)
Does it have anything to do with the Remembrance Day on Jasenovac?
(rote, 23 April 2016 15:21)
According to our dear friend BeliOraoSrbija, it does!
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
Constant violations of human rights and vandalism of both Albanian and Greek Orthodox churches. The Albanian tradition of banditry continues with the selling of stolen icons in the open market.
irana, October 10, 2013
The police in Tirana, Albania, have confiscated over 100 icons and other works of art that had been stolen from Orthodox churches all over the country, and arrested two members of a band of smugglers.
A police representative said that the stolen things had been intended for selling abroad, reports Romphea.Those arrested are two men, aged 39 and 52 years old, from the towns of Pogradec and Korce respectively, both having previous convictions for similar crimes.Church robberies in Albania are wide-spread. Representatives of Orthodox communities are expressing their concern that those guilty are almost never found and punished.
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/64902.htm
I think that a lot of Albanian magazines are reading B92 and have seen and are copying that film that Drimades said. We have become famous but we have to hear both ends here not only what Serbs say.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 25 April 2016 18:57)
To Skenderbeu,
I have no problems, with Albania input (Balbao the Albanian, etc).But when you have people that blatenly lie (Clown of Kosovo, Observer,Guest etc),that the Albanian - Shqipire's people never killed any other Albanian ,and ALL are peace loving people,I laugh how, ridiculous they write,and on our Serb day of mourning of the Croatian Ustashi death camps,where over 100,000 men,women,and children where savagely murdered.That was not a day for Serb's to read opion of how only Serb's kill Serb's, and Albanian's never killed any Albanian, or even now Greek's, what a big lie.Feel free to express your opion,but don't write nonsense and ridicules lies.
P's every race (Albanian's, Serb's, Croat's, Bosnjak's,Montenegrain's ) killed civilians during the Balkans War.That is a true fact!.
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
(Bob, 22 April 2016 23:40)
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Nobody is asking you to remember or respect anyone but don't you come on a Serbian site and tell us who we should remember.
We are not "ranting" and I find it very offensive that you put it that way. Serbian lives don't matter to you but they matter to us very much.
You want to rant about Albanian, Bosnian or Croatian lives, go to one of their sites and do just that.
@ Jugoslavia
Ik more pird&u!
Mr. Jugoslavia, firstly – that Church was not Greek but Albanian one – build in Albanian villages.
Furthermore - That was a Church? Have you seen it? When and where a shack is a Church?
Albanian gov. is rebuilding the new one with the real dimensions she deserved in honor of the Albanian churchman who founded it.
So better stop talking regarding to one topic which you don’t know nothing and furthermore you are not able to understand what it mean.
Albanians don't have religious problems – but as much as we are reading here about Jasenovac – let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
I ask icj1 to send us the links of some Croatians links so we can hear what they have to say on this topic. icj1 said he has croat friends so please icj1 if you read me and I think you always read the comments here ask them if they have any online magazine in English so we can ask them what they think of Jasenovac. I think that a lot of Albanian magazines are reading B92 and have seen and are copying that film that Drimades said. We have become famous but we have to hear both ends here not only what Serbs say.
But when you have people that blatenly lie (Clown of Kosovo, Observer,Guest etc),that the Albanian - Shqipire's people never killed any other Albanian ,and ALL are peace loving people,I laugh
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 25 April 2016 21:32)
I totally agree with you on this. Saying that an Albanian never killed another Albanian is obviously a lie. Of course Albanians have killed Albanians, Serbs have killed Serbs, Americans have killed Americans, Russians have killed Russians, and so on...
I challenge Serbians to recognize the Srebreniza genocide, and mass killings throughout Yugoslavia done on non-Serbians. I think that itself will definitely heal a lot of wounds and get serbia a long way ahead. Serbia holds the key to healing the families of the victim. Her neighbors should follow up and do the same. Unless that happens I don't see bridges being built, but hate that will ruin generations to come.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
Albanians like to say how they treat all religions fairly, that is not true in Albania where the Orthodox Church is constantly under threat.
(Jugoslavija, 22 April 2016 18:22)
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And, it is not because its author doesn't know any better, the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid. Not long ago the world saw Pope Francis make His first Papal visit to Albania because, (His words), "Albania is the most religiously tolerant country in Europe". I, personally, have relatives, some of which are either Catholic, Muslim or Orthodox. We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
“confirmed by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, some 500,000 Serbs, 80,000 Roma, 32,000 Jews disappeared in Jasenovac, along with tens of thousands of anti-fascists of different nationalities.”
If someone thinks that such proportion of the Jewish and non-Jewish victims in Poland or USSR or somewhere else was much different he is naiive about the Holocaust. This word as well as the idea of Holocaust appeared in the USA 9 years after the WW2. Meanwhile in Nurnberg fate of the Jews wasn’t something special. Of course since 1942 (after the battle for Moscow) the situation for the Jews worsened but same happened to all the Soviets. Guess the trend reached the Balkans too. Besides the partisan movement in Yugoslavia (only!) became national idea. And like elsewhere local collaborationists were running before the train. Mostoften they massacred more people than the Nazi.
To Guest
In Caucasus the say that a guest is a guest only until he remembers it. In central Russia they say НЕЗВАНЫЙ ГОСТЬ ХУЖЕ ТАТАРИНА = NOT INVITED GUEST IS EVEN WORSE THAN A TATARIAN.
To Guest,or non Guest
You are always writing very silly comment's,and are either Shqiptar ,Bosnjak or Croatian, which mean's that your family or people murdered, killed,tortured,and Raped,over 1 million ,Serb's during the second war ,that is not counting the death during the Great (first) War!. The Shqiptar Ballista or Balli Kombetar and Croatian Ustashi with Bosnjak Ustashi,slaughtered, murdered,killed,raped over 1 million Serb's during the 2nd War,that's 1,000,000 Serbian Men,Women,and children.The Croatian's admit their guilt,but Bosnjak (Muslims) and Albanian (Balli Kombetar ) don't admit guilt or recognition of the Genocide of these Serb, Men,Women and Children.Your way of thinking is why we have hate still after 70 years. When you "Shqiptars or Bosnjaks", loose, by murder over 1 million people of your race or population,we Serb's will call it Genocide,but it's up to you Shqiptars, and Bosnjaks ,to admit guilt and say sorry,as well beg for forgiveness of your crimes ,Genocide,killings against over 1 million Serb Men,Women and children,then we all can sit down together, and talk about the killings of 1990's.
What Albanians call "Kosova"*** was built on genocide by expelling the indigenous Serbian population. Croatia was twice built on genocide and all this comes from assistance from Germany, who are the genocide experts with help from the USA, which was also built on genocide of the indigenous population
(Zoran, 22 April 2016 18:29)
So, was Serbia the only one that was not built on genocide of the indigenous population?! Or time starts when Serb tribes arrived in the Balkans?!!!
@ Guest
You must be one of the nations who helped commit genocide against Serbs and Jewish people, why else would you come on here and make such a stupid statement.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
Guest get a life and worry about your own country.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
(icj1, 22 April 2016 14:23)
icj1, Jasenovac and Jastrebarsko are textbook examples of the crime of 'genocide' and the fact that Serbs have never been whining on those victims is just a sign of their dignity.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
Ok, I did not question any textbook and I have always been an advocate of Serbs being given a medal for machoism
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for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
I have no idea what that is! Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)
In WW2 everybody sat quiet in Europe but the Serbs so they decided to fight. One partisan army was not enough for them otherwise we would have 3-5 million of extra Serbs today. They weren’t punished enough so we won’t let divert our attention from Srebrenica and other crimes.
What Albanians call "Kosova"*** was built on genocide by expelling the indigenous Serbian population. Croatia was twice built on genocide and all this comes from assistance from Germany, who are the genocide experts with help from the USA, which was also built on genocide of the indigenous population and slavery, committed genocide in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Vietnam. Lets not forget Turkey's role in its support for "Kosova"*** and its genocide in Armenia.
.for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1. Vdekje fashizmit - liri popullit. Smrt fashizmu - svoboda narodu. Glory to Albo & Yugo partizans.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32) # Comment link
Don't bother arguing with a fool, its a waste of time. Your one of few Albanian commentators who knows what he is talking about and tells the truth. In fact, most Albanians that actually live in Kosmet and Albanian have similar views and want to prosper. Albanians like to say how they treat all religions fairly, that is not true in Albania where the Orthodox Church is constantly under threat.
RIP to all those that died.
(Zoran, 22 April 2016 13:27)
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@ the degenerate who marked this a 'poor comment'
You are an example of why not one generation in the Balkans has known peace.
What you wish for others will visit you and those you love.
What's with you albanians? This article is about Jasenovac and not Srebrenica. When it is about Srebrenica you can comment. Seems like you have a hard time accepting the fact that serbs are the victims.
RIP to all those killed by croatian and albanian fascists.
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
(Bob, 22 April 2016 23:40)
To Bob,
Today we Serb's remember the 1 million plus Serb Men,Women and Children that died during the 2 nd War, just because they where born Serbian,and had their faith!!.If you don't understand stand that today is a day to remember these people that Genocide, I mean Genocide went in this concentration camp over 100,000 Serb's, Jew's and Romani where slaughtered, murdered, killed,tortured, and raped,before the 1990's war,then you are a cruel, savage , brutal human being, like your people that did this crime .
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read. And, it is not because its author doesn't know any better, the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid."Albania is the most religiously tolerant country in Europe". I, personally, have relatives, some of which are either Catholic, Muslim or Orthodox. We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
(The Count of Kosova)
You Clown of Kosovo,are constantly lying,and your famous CREATURES that killed " Balli Kombetar", or "Shqipire's Ballistae ",lead by Ali Kelcyra and by Midhad Frasheri,where predominantly "Ghegs",fought against fellow Shqipire's predominantly " Tosks". The Shqipire's Balli Kombetar ,murdered ,primative killed ,savagely slaughtered,fellow Shqipire's, Serb's, Romani,Bosnjak's.The fought for their Masters the Germany NAZI'S, and Italy Nazi's!
You Count forgot your famous tradition and lied that you Shqipire still practice today in Albania BLOOD FUEDING and kill fellow innocent Shqiptars, just to get even because his relative is a murderer!!.
So Count you are constantly lying that you Albanian's are Angle's, instead your history is full of fellow Shqiptars murdering fellow Shqiptars, from Balli Kombetar Army,to your famous BLOOD FUEDS.I laught out loud,how you lie about your history.
Albania is the Only Country in Europe that still practice THE KILLINGS or BLOOD FUEDING .
Anything writen by myself,anyone feel free to dispute this.
This crime of genocide is something that croatia is ashamed of and therefore wants to erase it from history, it happened and there is evidence of this, unlike srebrenica it was not a false flag myth dreamed up in the west for the purpose of helping out balije (turks) in bosnia.
(BeliOraoSrbija, 22 April 2016 12:00)
Well, the UN has already determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995. Since a certain BeliOraoSrbija is a nobody compared to the UN, the opinion of BeliOraoSrbija can safely be ignored.
(icj1, 22 April 2016 14:23)
for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1.
(Drymades, 22 April 2016 17:32)
I have no idea what that is! Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)
(icj1, 23 April 2016 01:03)
Does it have anything to do with the Remembrance Day on Jasenovac?
(rote, 23 April 2016 15:21)
According to our dear friend BeliOraoSrbija, it does!
Rote, I don't think I'm entitled to represent Kosovo Albanians. It's not in my natyre to act like Big Brother Tirana towards other Albanians. It wouldn't be fair. But yes, I guess it's high time both Albos & Serbs started to focus on the real issues.
icj1, Jasenovac and Jastrebarsko are textbook examples of the crime of 'genocide' and the fact that Serbs have never been whining on those victims is just a sign of their dignity. Their personal and their national dignity. Try to raise your personal bar once in a while, for God's sake, try to show to the audience you really studied law somewhere not in Kenya. Although in Kenya looks like people know everything there is to know re international conventions and courts....for God's sake, icj1, have you seen that agricultural knife nicknamed 'serbcutter' ? google up Jastrebarsko icj1. Vdekje fashizmit - liri popullit. Smrt fashizmu - svoboda narodu. Glory to Albo & Yugo partizans.
Rememberance? Serbian people were the first ones to forget and forgive Croatia when they put Tito on the throne in Beograd! Tito became the mortal God to Serbian people and he was so successful to keep the truth buried along with all the Eastern Orthodox Christianity that was tortured and murdered by all enemies of the South Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christians! Shame on all Serbians who loved Tito, that is why we are all in the position we are in today! Serbians murdered our Angel Draza, now we the innocent Serbians continue to suffer the curse!!!
Jasenovac is proof that the Third Reich's secret program to exterminate the Jews was never really motivated by racial theory, but was instead a religious exercise. Not all the Serb were to be exterminated under the novel Third Reich Ustasha regime. One third were to exiled, one third were to be murdered.
"the fact is, he is lying and thinks people are either naive or stupid. I, personally, have relatives, " (The Count of Kosova, 23 April 2016 07:51
(1) Albanian Government Tears down Greek Orthodox Church
(2) Second Attack on Church in Dhermi, Albania
(3) Greek Orthodox Church demolished in Albania
There is much more such as the stealing of vast amounts of icons and selling them to the black market. I think you have an obligation to inform your "relatives" of the increasing pressure on the Albanian Orthodox Church and its Greek leader Patriarch Anastasios.
Next time don't put words in my mouth clown and will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a liar but blinded by Albanian nationalism. Anyone who thinks Tirana is the most beautiful city in Europe is got problems.
Star : Vucic has said for 1 Serb 100 Muslims will be massacred.
*** I saw this phrase so many times on this forum that I begin to think that you all feel regret that he failed to keep his words.
icj1 : “Does it have anything to do with the fact the UN has determined that genocide was committed in Srebrenica in 1995? If so, I'll check :)”
*** Does it have anything to do with the Remembrance Day on Jasenovac? If so, I'll check :)
Drymades
The tragedy is that we don’t discuss our real problems but try to paint black one another. Looks like we are programmed to keep blind eyes at everything positive. I personally mind the logics that Serbs or Shqips are bad in everything just because they are Serbs or Shqips. We have only one big problem that appeared 16 years ago and we mustn’t add fuel of the past to our relations. It will lead us to nowhere.
May the world never forget the GENOCIDE in Srebrenica. Vucic has said for 1 Serb 100 Muslims will be massacred.
(Star, 23 April 2016 01:26) #
Don't worry Star,
We Serb's lost 1 million Serb's during each of the Great World War,and 2 nd War,that's 2 million,compared to your 8,000 Muslim Soldiers, that you are comparing too. So what Vucic spoke 25 hears ago,your Muslims did, murder ,slaughter,kill,fellow Serbs 75 years ago.
P's ,And that amount of 1 million death of Men,Women,and Children is a REAL GENOCIDE.Comparing 1 million cilivans to 3,000 soldiers is pretty weak,and stupid,on your day of remembrance.Any other day disputed if you like,but not on this day . Feel free to dispute my comments!.
We have never killed one another as Serbs have of their fellow Slavs.
(The Count of Kosova, 23 April 2016
Yes you Shqiptars do kill each other,you lie,but don't forget your famous Albanian Blood feud's!. You Albanian's Blood feud's cost over 100,000 live's. Lol,what a idiot or either a liar you are ,Clown of Pristina!!.
P's I call you Clown ,because you make me laugh, when you lie.
Chief economist, genocide was committed in Bosnia and yet the only Slav I've ever met who had no doubt that Kosovo belonged to Serbia and Albos have nothing to do with Kosovo, nothing, nada, was a Bosnian lady, a very 'intellectual' lady who was born in Sarajevo. Have you ever got to know a Croat, icj1? Years ago I took a ferry whose crew members were Croatian. The passengers were Albanians. The major part of my buddies didn't have enough money to afford dinner in the ferry's restaurant, so they had prepared their sandwiches at home. Others chose to sleep on the floor....You should have seen and heard how disgusting Croats found the poor Albos who didn't have enough money to pay for a room, chief economist. You didn't see that knife? I've 'seen' it on that ferry. Of course, I had booked my room, but I couldn't sleep that night, chief economist. A relative of a friend of mine, an anti-fascist Albo, was one of Jasenovac's prisoners. I once asked my friend if he had ever told them how was living in Jasenovac like. The only thing that late old man said was that there was nothing to tell on what a human being can do to another weak human being. That man remained silent for the rest of his life. This conversation ends here, icj1. Watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCRQKp54yVM
And of course Yugoslavia, we are fine but we still expect the Alb authorities to fart less and to finally return to our church its monasteries and other properties, each and any single property. Otherwise, we're fine, we're doing great, we're stronger than ever, threats never worked nor they will with stubborn Orthos, and so on ;)
Have you ever got to know a Croat, icj1?
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Yes, a few... Why? Do you want to meet them?
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You should have seen and heard how disgusting Croats found the poor Albos who didn't have enough money to pay for a room
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Ok, but that's the business of those Croats and Albos... Not sure why I should care lol
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I had booked my room, but I couldn't sleep that night
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Sorry, but I'm not a doctor, so not sure I can help you with that :)
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A relative of a friend of mine, an anti-fascist Albo, was one of Jasenovac's prisoners. I once asked my friend if he had ever told them how was living in Jasenovac like. The only thing that late old man said was that there was nothing to tell on what a human being can do to another weak human being. That man remained silent for the rest of his life. This conversation ends here, icj1. Watch it [link]
(Drymades, 23 April 2016 19:26)
Thx mate, but I know already that horrible crimes were committed in Jasenovac during WW2 by the Nazis. That is not an excuse though for anybody to become like the Nazis and commit genocide in Europe half a century after Jasenovac. That's like killing the innocent victims of Jasenovac a second time since it would mean that their suffering was in vain.
@ Jugoslavia
Ik more pird&u!
Mr. Jugoslavia, firstly – that Church was not Greek but Albanian one – build in Albanian villages.
Furthermore - That was a Church? Have you seen it? When and where a shack is a Church?
Albanian gov. is rebuilding the new one with the real dimensions she deserved in honor of the Albanian churchman who founded it.
So better stop talking regarding to one topic which you don’t know nothing and furthermore you are not able to understand what it mean.
Albanians don't have religious problems – but as much as we are reading here about Jasenovac – let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
I think that a lot of Albanian magazines are reading B92 and have seen and are copying that film that Drimades said. We have become famous but we have to hear both ends here not only what Serbs say.
(Skenderbeu 1444, 25 April 2016 18:57)
To Skenderbeu,
I have no problems, with Albania input (Balbao the Albanian, etc).But when you have people that blatenly lie (Clown of Kosovo, Observer,Guest etc),that the Albanian - Shqipire's people never killed any other Albanian ,and ALL are peace loving people,I laugh how, ridiculous they write,and on our Serb day of mourning of the Croatian Ustashi death camps,where over 100,000 men,women,and children where savagely murdered.That was not a day for Serb's to read opion of how only Serb's kill Serb's, and Albanian's never killed any Albanian, or even now Greek's, what a big lie.Feel free to express your opion,but don't write nonsense and ridicules lies.
P's every race (Albanian's, Serb's, Croat's, Bosnjak's,Montenegrain's ) killed civilians during the Balkans War.That is a true fact!.
Yugoslavia, I still hope that icj1 could really add some substance to the discussion, to any discussion. What if Serbia decided to ask the 'civilized' countries to recognize the Serbian genocide during WWII, icj1? Which they won't never do icj1, and you know why. Yugoslavia, Kosovo has had a rather strong anti-fascist tradition. Two names: Ali Kelmendi and Fadil Hoxha. You probably know the latter, google up Kelmendi, if you have some spare time. To the best of my knowledge, Serbs and Kosovo's Albos paid a very high price for their Yugoslavia. Serbs suffered more casualties than any other nation. Some Albos joined the Axis' troops. Other Albanians, the most part, joined the Communists. Others were soon stabbed in their back from their own Yugo communist fellows, see the Bar massacre....So, Yugoslavia, it took you 75 years to finally commemorate and honor in an appropriate way the WWII Serbian victims and you think I'm going to whine here on how Orthos are threatened in Albania? Who can ever threaten those who worship our Lord, Yugoslavia? Nah, we're fine, we're doing fine, always lighting our candles. I'll light this fool's humble candle for Jasenovac victims this upcoming Sunday. Soon it will be Easter time again, Yugos :)
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
Constant violations of human rights and vandalism of both Albanian and Greek Orthodox churches. The Albanian tradition of banditry continues with the selling of stolen icons in the open market.
irana, October 10, 2013
The police in Tirana, Albania, have confiscated over 100 icons and other works of art that had been stolen from Orthodox churches all over the country, and arrested two members of a band of smugglers.
A police representative said that the stolen things had been intended for selling abroad, reports Romphea.Those arrested are two men, aged 39 and 52 years old, from the towns of Pogradec and Korce respectively, both having previous convictions for similar crimes.Church robberies in Albania are wide-spread. Representatives of Orthodox communities are expressing their concern that those guilty are almost never found and punished.
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/64902.htm
Albanians don't have religious problems – but as much as we are reading here about Jasenovac – let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
Are you from the planet earth? Albanian declared war on Greece and the United States in WWII and attacked Greece along with the Italians. Both Italy and Albania were trounced and sent back packing, my great grandparents took thousands of Italians and Albanian troops prisoners, sometimes only a few Greeks took hundreds of Albanian and Italian "warriors" prisoners!
During the Axis occupation the Muslim Chams set up their own administration and militia, part of the fascist Balli Kombetar organization, at Thesprotia and collaborated closely with both the Italians and — when Italy capitulated
The Germans.Cham units committed, alongside the Wehrmacht, a number of atrocities on their ethnically Greek fellow citizens burning houses and villages killing several hundred ethnic Greeks and forcing thousands to flee their homes.
Start learning your Albanian horrific human rights record and the stealing of Greek and Serbian land.
I ask icj1 to send us the links of some Croatians links so we can hear what they have to say on this topic. icj1 said he has croat friends so please icj1 if you read me and I think you always read the comments here ask them if they have any online magazine in English so we can ask them what they think of Jasenovac. I think that a lot of Albanian magazines are reading B92 and have seen and are copying that film that Drimades said. We have become famous but we have to hear both ends here not only what Serbs say.
Instead of pointing fingers and ranting at what happened 75 years ago, would be better to take some blame for the murder, rape and torture Serbs participated in (and many more enthusiastically supported) 20 years back. That would go much further in the reconstruction and reconciliation process.
(Bob, 22 April 2016 23:40)
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Nobody is asking you to remember or respect anyone but don't you come on a Serbian site and tell us who we should remember.
We are not "ranting" and I find it very offensive that you put it that way. Serbian lives don't matter to you but they matter to us very much.
You want to rant about Albanian, Bosnian or Croatian lives, go to one of their sites and do just that.
let me tell to you that the Greek minority in Albania even if we had clashes, hate, even though they live surrounded by Albanians never were “attacked” neither in WWI or WWII, we protect them.
You can even came close to us – regarding to religious coexistence but even to ethnic one! So better shush, and cry on Jasenovac!
(Joni, 25 April 2016 10:32)
To Joni,
Yes Joni ,you Shqiptars protected the Greek community's with your famous Balli Kombetar, killing and murdering them. Yes,you forgot your murderers Albanian Army called ,"Balli Kombetar ",or Ballistae!,very warm hearted Army!.
But when you have people that blatenly lie (Clown of Kosovo, Observer,Guest etc),that the Albanian - Shqipire's people never killed any other Albanian ,and ALL are peace loving people,I laugh
(sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia, 25 April 2016 21:32)
I totally agree with you on this. Saying that an Albanian never killed another Albanian is obviously a lie. Of course Albanians have killed Albanians, Serbs have killed Serbs, Americans have killed Americans, Russians have killed Russians, and so on...
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