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Thursday, 24.03.2016.

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Hague Tribunal sentences Karadzic to 40 years in prison

The Hague Tribunal has found Radovan Karadzic guilty and sentenced him to 40 years in prison in the first-instance verdict announced on Thursday.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(Reader, 30 March 2016 16:27) LOL, so your answer to icj1's question about an example is: 'you made a typo when writing, buhahaha'.
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Your illiteracy is well documented, so ignore the false moniker and READ my response.

On 29 Mar 17:07 I actually wrote: “Not sure what 250 pages you're referring to but as a supreme and blind apologist for the ICTY it's no surprise that you don't even know the length of the ICTY writings, let alone any of the content”

If you can read (proven otherwise), you won’t find any reference to typo in the responses.

The topic is “direct evidence” and a first step is to agree on definitions. This is particularly important for imposters such as icj1/Reader who’ve previously disregarded and failed to read referenced material.

icj1 was ignorant of the length or content of the referenced document. I supplied icj1 with the information. I also started the process of defining “direct evidence” by spoon-feeding icj1 examples of his/her comments (ie direct evidence) that provide plain proof of idiocy.

We also thank you for your valuable contribution to this effort by supplying yet more examples of direct evidence. Your false quote of words, which I never wrote, is another text book example of direct evidence clearly proving (again) that you as READER can not read.

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riverside

pre 8 godina

The court failed to convict him of another account of crime: disobey NATO. Otherwise the credibility of the court will be greatly compromised.

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Reader

pre 8 godina

(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 March 2016 04:34)

LOL, so your answer to icj1's question about an example is: 'you made a typo when writing, buhahaha'. You must be one of those lawyers hired by Vuk 'over my dead body' Jeremic back in the days of great legal battles. Instead of discussing about the voracity and merit of things, you try to change the subject of the conversation.

And dude, what is this writing style: "Lastly, as an annoying and exhausted poster of B92 acronyms do you also agree that the primary and corroborating exhibits of evidence, you so graciously supplied, enable the commenting community to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that...".

So many words, so many useless words, such a big preamble to say something simple. I hope you were just trying to show off your literary skills and don't talk like this in real life :).

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One
(Amnesty Yugoslavia,

You'll have to stop arguing with an idiot.If you don't he will drag you down to his level and beat you with his experience.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(icj1, 29 March 2016 21:48) Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)
(*)number corrected from my prior post
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Before we continue your education (and prolong your humiliation) let's start with a basic definition of elementary legal terms.

The first is “direct evidence”.

Do you agree the following two consecutive posts by icj1:

"1. (icj1, 29 March 2016 21:48)Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)
(*) number corrected from my prior post
and
2. (icj1, 29 March 2016 15:47) Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)"

represent a text book definition of direct evidence that confirm Peggy’s conviction earlier in this thread:

"(Peggy, 28 March 2016 09:54) As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart."

I thank you for providing an example of “direct evidence” as well as a bonus definition of “self incrimination” that fully supports the “smartarse” verdict.

Lastly, as an annoying and exhausted poster of B92 acronyms do you also agree that the primary and corroborating exhibits of evidence, you so graciously supplied, enable the commenting community to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that:

icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One

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icj1

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 March 2016 11:12)

Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)

(*) number corrected from my prior post

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(icj1, 29 March 2016 15:47) Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)

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Not sure what 250 pages you're referring to but as a supreme and blind apologist for the ICTY it's no suprise that you don't even know the length of the ICTY writings, let alone any of the content.

I do think we must institute a new B92 acronym definition:

P.S. icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One

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icj1

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 March 2016 11:12)

Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.

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RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

"Really?! So the most patriotic of Serbs where asking the UN to do something illegal when they were requesting the UN to establish a court for the KLA crimes!"

Really. Tribunal for terrorist so-called "kla" will be judged by serbian tribunal. War criminals have to answer for what they did. Their betzrayel of country that gave them everything (education, food etc.) has to be punished.

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

So, now we have gone through 3 variations of Peggy's question, all of them idiotic. As I said earlier, Peggy's question is beyond repair, regardless of how it is spinned, but let see if there are more volunteers like our dear friend Englishman lol
(icj1, 28 March 2016 15:07)

What are you trying to say? Until we see US indictments of which there are thousands of war criminals that have occurred in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria , etc. The Abu Ghraib incident in Iraq is a perfect example of a clear cut war crime with "international court indictments" Only a stupid clown like you thinks that justice is being served.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryamericas/2013/06/2013629115945462777.html

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icj1

pre 8 godina

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.
(Englishman, 27 March 2016 23:25)

Oh, great, we have another distinguished contributor of these forums who is eager to join Peggy's idiocies!

ICTY is established through UNSCR 827 which is mandatory for all countries. The is no "signing up". If a person commits a crime that falls into ICTY's jurisdiction, it does not matter what the citizenship of that person is.

So, now we have gone through 3 variations of Peggy's question, all of them idiotic. As I said earlier, Peggy's question is beyond repair, regardless of how it is spinned, but let see if there are more volunteers like our dear friend Englishman lol

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icj1

pre 8 godina

UN dosent have right to establish ad hoc tribunals. That kangaroo court is illegal.
(RighteousBilly, 28 March 2016 07:36)

Really?! So the most patriotic of Serbs where asking the UN to do something illegal when they were requesting the UN to establish a court for the KLA crimes!

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icj1

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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That may be so but the one whose judgement really counts is yet to pass his.
(Peggy, 27 March 2016 00:33)

Who is that "one"? A certain "Peggy"?! :)

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icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1 : You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

Stalin wasn’t a dove but he wasn’t a mass murderer as well. Before 1936 when his wife committed suicide he was quite normal for those rough times.
(rote, 28 March 2016 10:42)

Yes, sure, the millions he starved to death in a man made famine in the early 1930's were normal.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart.
(Peggy, 28 March 2016 09:54)
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Don't worry about icj1 or an Albanian pretending to be a moderate serb (probably the same person). As they say, don't argue with a stupid person. They will bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

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rote

pre 8 godina

icj1 : You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

Stalin wasn’t a dove but he wasn’t a mass murderer as well. Before 1936 when his wife committed suicide he was quite normal for those rough times. But even after that during his last 17 years of life only 890 000 death penalties were realized in the USSR. Those figures included murderers, thieves and other criminals plus traitors during WW2. Anyway no millions as you must have heard in the west/ but there’s no political will to declare the figures. Putin is already demonized because he does not let to colonize the rest of the world. So if he legalizes those figures CNN/BBC/FOX/DW will hang all dead cats on him. See how silent they are about the great victory of Assad and Putin in Palmira. Should the Yankees set it free there would be a grand propaganda campaign. Now all including b92 sit silent.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.
(Englishman, 27 March 2016 23:25)
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As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark again.

"The reality, as I wrote in 2015, is that western neocons and their ‘liberal interventionist’ allies are responsible for the greatest amount of death, destruction and human misery on this planet since the dark days of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler - whose “illegally invade a different country every couple of years” foreign policy they have emulated.’"

Check -> [link]/
(Zoran, 26 March 2016 22:45)

You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

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Englishman

pre 8 godina

And, in any case, your new modified question as "citizens of those countries", is even more idiotic (you didn't use your brain, again, did you?) so not sure if you want to go that route lol Your question is beyond repair, dear, regardless of how you spin it :)

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:10)

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN
(icj1, 25 March 2016 21:05)

As usual, what an idiotic reply.
It's obvious I was talking about the citizens of those countries.
(Peggy, 26 March 2016 04:39)

Well, it's obvious to you, but I'm not in your mind. You wrote "countries" and I read it as "countries", but you wanted me to read it as "citizens of those countries"! So, you are saying the fault is mine for not reading what you did not write, not yours for not writing what you wanted others to read. Nice idiotic logic of yours, dear! Again, do you use your brain for anything other than moving your hand when you write?!

And, in any case, your new modified question as "citizens of those countries", is even more idiotic (you didn't use your brain, again, did you?) so not sure if you want to go that route lol Your question is beyond repair, dear, regardless of how you spin it :)

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Give it up, Zoran. You are embarrassing the rest of decent Serbs who know the truth which you are pathetically attempting to deny.
(Moderate Serb, 25 March 2016 23:53)
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Don't speak for the rest of us you pathetic imposter.
You can stop calling yourself "moderate Serb" because you are neither.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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That may be so but the one whose judgement really counts is yet to pass his.

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rote

pre 8 godina

European Christian : I see that you've been listening to rote's borscht it.


There are only few persons who can unite Serbs, Sqiptars, Croats, Greeks and Bosniaks here. Those are rote kapelle, R.T. Erdogun and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. All 3 are killers. Rote kills the slaves in your mentality while two others kill real people. Unfortunately rote is not as successful as the two because you feel comfortable with the fairy tales you had been supplied with. Those tales were cemented in thousands of books, films and pseudo-scientific dissertations, songs and legends written in 19 century ect. Find me a single document that Skaderbeg was an Sqiptar or that Sqiptars were Albanians. Find a document or an artifact that Islam or a mosque existed before 16 century. Find a proof that any state ever existed on the Balkans (including Greece ) or Jerusalem existed before 19 century. Explain why all 60 heirs of the Sultans living in Europe and the USA have their main Russian R1a happlogroup. Prove that Dmitry-1 Donskoy a Russian saint killed on Kosovo field as Murad-1 was a Muslim. Why the last Samurai killed by the Portuguese was a blond European or why the columns of the Bronze Age in Palmira destroyed by the ISIS had steel armatures inside or why temples and hills in this place have Slav names. How could Sultans of Egypt set free from taxes in Russia. Why Peter the Great spoke such bad Russian. Why Russia and Prussia had so much in common ect.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark again.

"The reality, as I wrote in 2015, is that western neocons and their ‘liberal interventionist’ allies are responsible for the greatest amount of death, destruction and human misery on this planet since the dark days of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler - whose “illegally invade a different country every couple of years” foreign policy they have emulated.’"

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons/

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

Not for Serbia.
(EU Citizen, 25 March 2016 23:36)
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Really, why is that? From where I am sitting, it looks promising for Serbia and the whole world in general. The voices of truth are getting louder and those opposed to the evils of this world are getting stronger.

"In the standard western rewrite of history, Slobo and the Serbs were also to blame for the break-out of war in Bosnia. Yet the man who lit the blue touch paper for that brutal conflict war was not Milosevic, nor the Bosnian-Serb leaders, but the US ambassador Warren Zimmerman, who persuaded Bosnian separatist Alija Izetbegovic to renege on his signing of the 1992 Lisbon agreement, which had provided for the peaceful division of the republic.

Even after the 1995 Dayton agreement brought an end to a totally unnecessary conflict, there was to be no let up in the west's Serbophobia. In Kosovo, the west's strategic objectives meant them siding with the hardliners of the Kosovo Liberation Army, a group, officially classified as a terrorist organisation by the US state department."

This comes from the Guardian. Check -> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jan/14/itstimetoendserbbashing

Not everyone is so stupid to believe everything coming from Washington/London/Brussels/Berlin.

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

However, as far as the international community is concerned,
(icj1,


Gosh! If a single word that comes out of your mouth earns you 0.000001$, you would still get richer than bill gate in 2 hours.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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LOL! Are you referring to the "civilised" world of couch potatoes who don't know the difference between Serbia, Syria and Siberia? Yes, it is far more easier to fool those people than to convince them they are being fooled, much like you Albanians here.

Fortunately, we are not in the same place as the 90s. The west does not have a monopoly on the media anymore. I can see lots of alternative editorial opinions discrediting the NATO court and exposing it for what it really is, a political kangaroo court.

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

A serb gets rightfully convicted for genocide you people defend him instead of distancing your self from a criminal and the commited crimes?!

Thats one way to handle it. At least you are reminding the world who the bad guys really are. Thank you for that. You are doing more for your image than could have ever done. Congrats to that!

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The political agenda of the Bosniak Islamic fundamentalist government continues to push for "genocide" conviction against Serbia to eventually further ethnically cleanse 1.5 million Serbs in RS to add to the 150 thousands serbs cleansed in Kosovo and 250, 000 thousand from Croatia.

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Dragan

pre 8 godina

The only thing Karadzic is guilty of is defending the will of the Serbian people to live free, live independent. Free and independent from invaders like the Turks, Austro-Hungarians, Nazis, and their leftovers, and from NATO war criminals who think they can do whatever they want with impunity. Serbs were the first to fight islamist jihadists in both Bosnia and Kosovo, as well as neo-nazis in Croatia, and THAT, my friends is a proud legacy. The mainstream media is full of anti-Serb racists and liars, and one should not believe a word of it. It's all garbage.
The Hague has released sub-humans like Nasir Oric, who is guilty of REAL genocide, and that is proof that this is not a court and these are 100% show trials meant to justify NATO's war crimes and put all the blame on the victim of neocon/neoliberal aggression and theft. Karadzic will live throughout history as a man who heroically stood up against all odds, was wrongfully accused by a fake court, and Serbians will praise him for decades to come. Just wait and see.
Cheers!!

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

"The ICTY and its backers clearly believed any Serb atrocities were systematic and deliberate, while those committed by anyone else were random or incidental. While every single senior Serb official in present-day Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia was hauled before the court, only a few lower-level Croat, Bosnian Muslim or Albanian officials were even indicted – and most of them were acquitted outright, or on appeal."

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337162-karadzic-convicted-crimes-court/

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Zoran"

pre 8 godina

"The ICTY has acquitted numerous other participants of the Yugoslav civil war in the past, including Croatian General Ante Gotovina, Kosovo Albanian Ramush Haradinaj, and Bosnian field commander Naser Oric, according to the statement."

“The civil war in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s and the NATO bombardments are a tragic chapter in world history,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said. “It is hard to imagine that only one side committed all the crimes in that war. The ICTY, however, continues building a myth of the Serbs’ sole responsibility for those events.”

Check -> https://www.rt.com/news/337261-russia-servia-verdict-karadzic/

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"We're not going to stop." You're not going to stop doing what? Living in denial? Concoting more outlandish conspiracy theories? No you're really good at that

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Mr Holbrooke, who served as President Bill Clinton's Balkans envoy, promised Mr Karadzic that he would not be prosecuted
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 11:17)

Hmm, when did the UNSC appoint Mr Holbrooke as ICTY's prosecutor?!

Perhaps you and Mr Karadzic have seen a UNSC Resolution appointing Mr Holbrooke as ICTY's prosecutor that few other people, if any, have seen!

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icj1

pre 8 godina

I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica.
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)

Woow, that's great that you'll finally start providing some facts! When are you planning to provide the first one?

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN
(icj1, 25 March 2016 21:05)
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As usual, what an idiotic reply.
It's obvious I was talking about the citizens of those countries. If something like that is not obvious to you then go back to reading stuff like "The Hungry Caterpillar". You might have a chance of understanding that.

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European Christian

pre 8 godina

Once the rats in Washington are gone and good people of America are freed from their slavery to them history will not be what they portray it to be today.
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:07)

I see that you've been listening to rote's borscht it.

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The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS.
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.

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Moderate Serb

pre 8 godina

right?
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 15:32)
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LOL! Who was unarmed? You mean the thousands of Serbian civilians who Oric and his cowards massacred around Srebrenica on religious days from a UN protected zone and walks free even to this day? He walks free because it is not in the interests of Western powers to pursue universal justice, only the selective type to suit their agenda as they are just as guilty as he is.

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS. It is as simple as that. Keep going though, I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica. It is an annual ritual for me anyway. :)
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)


Give it up, Zoran. You are embarrassing the rest of decent Serbs who know the truth which you are pathetically attempting to deny.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:10)

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

there's hundreds of newspaper adticles published on Karadzic's conviction for war crimes, which the whole world has access to. Farewell to another hero, ypu must be used to it by now. Next, Mladic
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 17:00)
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Yes, we are used to it. It has made us stronger and even more determined. We're not going to stop. Delete NATO, good signs coming from Trump and Corbyn regarding that. The next few years look promising.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

This is my short tribute to Karadzic.

A true Serb patriot stabbed in the back by the Belgrade political Iscariotes for thirty Euros.
(Leonidas, 25 March 2016 13:53)

Good for you and, hopefully, for Karadzic. However, as far as the international community is concerned, Karadzic is just a criminal that committed genocide and that's what counts.

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Dennis

pre 8 godina

Total BS from that clown court. Albright and company should be roting in prison for bombing the sovereign country of Serbia. Total BS by thoes hypocrites.

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The real genociders Clinton,Bush,Blair,Cameron, Sarcozy,Hollande are still outside enjoying the fruits of their genocides.
(Leonidas, 25 March 2016 13:53)

I will add that Karadzic was not a politician and unfortunately he was outplayed tactically both internally and externally. One must also thank the great contribution that the Greek leader Constantinos Mitsoutakis undertook in trying to broker a peace plan in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Unfortunately and again, the Bosnian Serb Pale Parliament rejected the offer which led to further peril for Bosnia and Herzegovina.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

You're again confusing fact eotj conspiracy theories, you have a tendancy of doing this. Dont worry though Zoran, for every protestation to the contrary, there's hundreds of newspaper adticles published on Karadzic's conviction for war crimes, which the whole world has access to. Farewell to another hero, ypu must be used to it by now. Next, Mladic

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

right?
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 15:32)
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LOL! Who was unarmed? You mean the thousands of Serbian civilians who Oric and his cowards massacred around Srebrenica on religious days from a UN protected zone and walks free even to this day? He walks free because it is not in the interests of Western powers to pursue universal justice, only the selective type to suit their agenda as they are just as guilty as he is.

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS. It is as simple as that. Keep going though, I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica. It is an annual ritual for me anyway. :)

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Karadzic did not withdraw from public view, he assumed a new identity because being Karadzic was liable to get him arrested. He is a coward, only able to order mass murder when the other side is unarmed. A truly pathetic man. Hopefully for him, his healing techniques can be of great comfort in the confines of his cell, because thats what what he'll have for company for the rest of his life, what a way for a hero to wither away...right?

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

Hague Tribunal sentences Karadzic to 40 years in prison

This is my short tribute to Karadzic.

A true Serb patriot stabbed in the back by the Belgrade political Iscariotes for thirty Euros.

The real genociders Clinton,Bush,Blair,Cameron, Sarcozy,Hollande are still outside enjoying the fruits of their genocides.

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Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Yes -

Seselj also said that Karadzic was innocent, and found guilty "just because he is a Serb."

From -

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=03&dd=25&nav_id=97481

Comment - I Quote myself -

A Political Verdict !.

He had no power or authority over the Military or the Military actions in Bosniaherzegovina.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 24 March 2016 16:42)

Arn.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Am I lying? Kardazic hid behind a new identity, he did not have the convinction to stand by his actions, he hid and ran for a long time.
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 10:34)
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Karadzic had to withdraw from public view as part of the agreement with Holbrooke/US. Of course, he forgot never to make deals with the devil. But also why would he voluntarily give himself up to the lions? The NATO court has proven time and again that it is not impartial.

"Retired senior US state department officials confirmed that in July 1996 Mr Holbrooke, who served as President Bill Clinton's Balkans envoy, promised Mr Karadzic that he would not be prosecuted as part of wider peace deal requiring him to give up power."

Check -> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5039381/US-envoy-Richard-Holbrooke-did-offer-Radovan-Karadzic-immunity.html

"I was involved in negotiations pertaining to the agreement on Karadzic's withdrawal from the political scene. At that time, the gentlemen agreed that they would not speak about it in public," Klickovic said.

Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/karadzic-holbrooke-deal-was-signed

"According to the agreement, which was not signed by Holbrooke, Karadzic was supposed to withdraw from public and political life..."

Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/karadzic-indictment-withdrawal-motion

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Am I lying? Kardazic hid behind a new identity, he did not have the convinction to stand by his actions, he hid and ran for a long time. Is that heroic? Not to me, that is pathetic and cowardly, because thats what he is, a coward, oh and a convincted fraudester in former Yugoslavia, why you choose this man for a hero is beyond me, maybe you see yourself in him in some way

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

I always thought heroes were proud creatures, they do not hide behind fake identities, they do not run, they face their enemies head on
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 09:52)
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LOL! Stop watching TV, it is frying your brain. Karadzic defended the Serbian people against the much more powerful forces determined to demonise and destroy us. The same forces spreading death and destruction around the world, continuing to demonise those that opposed it. The powerful forces that will even support terrorists in its aim to overthrow governments, rob nations and control resources.

It is OK Nikolle, we have seen it before, we are patient, we have always defeated it. We have always ended up on the right side of history, you guys unfortunately have not. However, we have always had to endure a short or long period of occupation.

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Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Truth is comming forward -

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2016&mm=03&dd=25&nav_id=97479

I Quote myself -

A Political Verdict !.

He had no power or authority over the Military or the Military actions in Bosniaherzegovina.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 24 March 2016 16:42)

Arn.Sweden.

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Joni

pre 8 godina

This man is one of the most “pure” Serbs, imagine the rest…. Is something wrong with this nation. They are glad of their crimes. Unbelievable!

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"For Serbs he is a hero and will always be" Very odd choice for a hero I must say. I always thought heroes were proud creatures, they do not hide behind fake identities, they do not run, they face their enemies head on; Karadzic ultimately did not have the courage to stand by his actions, as chose to run and hide. He was seriously bad at poetry too, now that he has all the privacy he needs, maybe he can get better at it. I wonder, did his new age healing method ever heal anyone?

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

"Karadzic is a Serbian hero." Yes, I have noticed that a lot of Serbian hereos have a habit of ending up in prison
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 08:44)
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Exactly, while Albanian, Croatian ad Bosnian Muslim war criminals still roam the streets. It was the world we lived in, be friendly to the US and be exempt from crimes. Oppose the US and end up in prison.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

but what would have happened if Izetbegovic and his Islamic inner circle had signed the 1992 peace treaty instead of changing their minds at the last minute?
(Andy UK, 24 March 2016 16:15)
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He did sign it but withdrew his signature after meeting the US ambassador. The main instigators of war were the US and Germany playing divide and conquer.

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RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

"Why must the Serbs on this thread publicly make a mess in their collective pants by defending murderers the likes of Karadzic, Seselj, Milosevic, Mladic, etc.
(EU Citizen"

Eu Citizen, who was murdered by Vojislav Seselj? Not even Hague prosecute him for that. There is no evidence that any of those you have mentioned had ordered any crimes or murder. Btw, how it's for EU citizens nowdays in capital of EU? You started that and now you reap what you saw.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Comment link
Internationally legally approved body LOL!!! one that the US isn't signed up to,when some western leaders and Nato Generals are in the Dock I will take it serious,in the meantime I will see it for what its is,a grotesque parody of a law court,its a Nato Kangeroo court.
(Englishman, 24 March 2016 20:59)
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So right. If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Should have gotten a life sentence this scum of the earth.
(mark, 24 March 2016 21:35
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In case you haven't noticed he is 70 years old and a 40 year sentence is more than his life.
For Serbs he is a hero and will always be. In time, the evil establishment called "the free world" will have a cleansing and will see him as a hero too. Once the rats in Washington are gone and good people of America are freed from their slavery to them history will not be what they portray it to be today.
Unfortunately this will not help Karadzic today.

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Black Swan

pre 8 godina

The verdict proves that a joint criminal enterprise orchestrated from Beograd occurred. Committing the biggest war crime ( genocide ) in Europe since WW2 by Serbs in BiH will never be forgotten. It's now time to dismantle the criminally insane creation of RS.

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Can't believe there can be such Albanian clowns as Marku, can't believe. Karaxhic's case has nothing to do with Kosovo. So why in the world would you celebrate? Are you celebrating for Bosnia's freedom? Hilarious, can't believe it!
(Drymades, 24 March 2016 21:58

Because I have something you dont know. Its called empathy. We shared the same fate with Croatia and BiH. I can feel their pain and I celebrate justice for the victims of genocide. Today is a good day. Today, the world became a better place.

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Naim

pre 8 godina

"Naim", as you have a gippo name, are you one of those white Moslems? There's plenty of room in Syria if you don't want to live in Bosnia anymore.
(nevertrustagippo,

It's the right time altogether to get rid of this SA called RS ( genicide profounded) to be just vanished - this should be now. No time to waste.

..To the one above: SA CALLED RS WILL BE VANISHED.
you will see witness or feel.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Englishman

You can see it as whatever you like, it has UN approval, hence it has legal basis. As for kangeroo court, well, it has the power to affect a persons individual liberty, in this case, that of Karadzic. Your view of the court will not set him free

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Truth

pre 8 godina

This court and ruling is a joke. Markac, Gotovina, Oric walk free because they are not Serbian. It is as simple as that. If the court was interested in 'justice' then the other war criminals would be guilty. Those that haven't invested the time to truly investigate the events that happened during the war have no clue what they are talking about. I personally know peacekeepers that served in Bosnia who say that "Serbs were the only good people there." If you want to know the truth, seek and you shall find. Peace to all.

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EU Citizen

pre 8 godina

Why must the Serbs on this thread publicly make a mess in their collective pants by defending murderers the likes of Karadzic, Seselj, Milosevic, Mladic, etc.

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jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

As Bakir Izetbegovic said "this is the highest sentence since Nuremberg Tribunal".
(Avni, 24 March 2016 19:51)

Your quoting the real war criminal son who has created a Bosnian Islamic Terrorist state in the middle of Europe! Alija Izetbegovic showed no bounds even killing his own people to gain a Muslim state. The other bandits in his former government continue to roam free, Eujup Ganic and Haris Siladzic who is now in Erdogan government in Turkey. Western Europe has nobody to blame but itself for the terrorist activities in Paris, Brussels by allowing rogue Islamic states to form in Bosnia and Kosovo.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

BiH is where the West started supporting Muslim extremists. KiM is where they started supporting KLA/Muslim terrorists. This then evolved into supporting terrorists in Iraq, Libya and Syria to overthrow their leaders and destroy those countries. Those terrorists then turned against the West and started blowing up western cities.

Now terrorists tag along with refugees from those destroyed countries and are preparing further attacks on more cities. It is karma in action! It is what happens when you play with fire.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.
(Nikolle, 24 March 2016 17:35)
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I suppose NATO is international so perhaps a bit of truth there. The NATO court serves selective justice to justify the crimes committed by those who set up the court. Here is what Jamie Shea (NATO spokesman of the time) said about it.

"Jamie Shea : As you know, without NATO countries there would be no International Court of Justice, nor would there be any International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia because NATO countries are in the forefront of those who have established these two tribunals, who fund these tribunals and who support on a daily basis their activities."

Check -> http://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990517b.htm

And if you keep reading, you'll see how NATO countries are excluded from its jurisdiction. In other words, it is an international joke, a kangaroo court. History will be corrected and Karadzic is a Serbian hero.

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Drymades

pre 8 godina

Can't believe there can be such Albanian clowns as Marku, can't believe. Karaxhic's case has nothing to do with Kosovo. So why in the world would you celebrate? Are you celebrating for Bosnia's freedom? Hilarious, can't believe it!

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Peter The Rocky

pre 8 godina

Great news, may the demon Karadic rot in hell & hopefully soon his fellow chetnik cronies ( Mladic, Seselj,etc ) will share the same outcome... Now since it has been proven that the RS was established on the foundation's of genocide, ethnic cleansing & mass extermination, let the dismantling of the RS BEGIN!!!

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Englishman

pre 8 godina

"In reality, NATO is guilty..." no, this is just your opinion, which has a tendency of verging to fantasy; in reality, Karadzic will be spending whatever is left of his life in jail, due to being found guilty by an internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.
(Nikolle, 24 March 2016 17:35)
# Comment link
Internationally legally approved body LOL!!! one that the US isn't signed up to,when some western leaders and Nato Generals are in the Dock I will take it serious,in the meantime I will see it for what its is,a grotesque parody of a law court,its a Nato Kangeroo court.

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EU Dude

pre 8 godina

A predictable verdict from a predictable court. I guess the ICTY's investors will be happy with their return of several hundred million.

If only Izetbegovic had got his islamist Bosnia with Croats and Serbs as pets then there would have been no war. Oh, and many thanks to US Ambassador Warren Zimmerman backing Izetbgovic 100% in rejecting the Jose Cutilheiro peace plan.

If only Fikret Abdic had remained as President of the SDA. Oh well.

It's not all completely wasted though. There's a lot of dirt to go all around and it is all there in the transcripts.

Unfortunately the ICTY claimed that it would make public the full horror of the war but has instead permanently sealed all the evidence collected from to its secret war crimes investigations into Tudjman and Izetbegovic. Apparently their innocence would be unfairly tarnished with both of them being dead.

Meanwhile, over a million Iraqis have died since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 but no one is guilty. Saudi Arabia is slaughtering Yemenis to the silence of western diplomats. Libya is ISIS new terrorist laboratory, thanks to US/UK/Fr help.

The West is so generous. It just keeps giving...

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Avni

pre 8 godina

Once again international community can see the true face of Serbian war criminals. As Bakir Izetbegovic said "this is the highest sentence since Nuremberg Tribunal".

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Blind Profet

pre 8 godina

as Izetbegovic and Tudjman. No real proof Karadic is behind anything, only presumtions. He was guilty even before the trail began. There were Moses of evidence against Naser Oric but he walked free. There will never be peace in the Balkans with this one sided politics.
(Hank the Tank, 24 March 2016 17:44)

Sorry No no Tudjman and Izetbegovic died just like Milosevic so dont compare, Serbs Like Ari say here that Milosevic is innocent as no verdict was ever taken.

Now lets not use double standerds, UN Court is same place that gave you resolution 1244 that you love so much, you can not cherry pick chief this stuff.

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Kum

pre 8 godina

As a Bosnian Serb I see that there is little hope in the failed Bosnia experiment, in part because Serbs still choose to believe in lies about their own role in the war and wave the flag that "others need to share in the blame as well." When you sin, you repent. You don't go crusading for others to admit what they did. That will come. Talk to many Bosniak's. They are not too proud of the country that was created either or their so called leaders. They feel just as robbed and abused as we do. There were crimes on all sides, yes, but lets be proportionate and rational. In our name bigger guns were used, more people were killed, and the country's industry was decimated by those events. The amount of suffering on the other side was far more. Yes in WWII the suffering of the Bosnian Serbs was more, and nobody disputes this, but this is not a competition. Accept that people like Karadzic and now people like Dodik and the kangroos in Banja Luka do not represent us. They care about their bank accounts and want to keep us uneducated, dumb and fearful. That is the mantra of Serb nationalism like any other nationalism - a rational man cannot blindly follow this nonsense. Think a little. Look at Trump, and compare it to Yugoslavia in the early 1990's. Same type of leaders, appealing to the basic urges, lying, creating problems that don't exist. Enjoy this video. Serbian Epics from our good friend Karadzic, the butcher who was so misunderstood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw3BNZPCTsw

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Blind Prophet

pre 8 godina

So this means a UN court has declared that he is guilty, meaning Serbs committed Genocide just like Nazis set in stone.

Now you say Kosovo is not a country as it is not recognised by UN!

So which one is it UN is the truth when it is convenient for you. So from this step forward any time a Serb politician says Kosovo not in UN so not country = Sorry we have committed Genocide in Bosnia.

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skepticism

pre 8 godina

Plenty of muslims celebrating the decision of the so-called "court"

None of them condemned the Brussels muslim terrorists

It is a matter of time before a war begins again in the Balkans.

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Serbian Crusher

pre 8 godina

It looks like the stars have aligned! I would be truly ashamed to be Serbian right now. What a disaster of a country. What a disaster of a people. Serbians could have made the right choices but they chose the path of evil and terror. Now, Serbia finds itself paying for those decisions and it isn't pretty. It's fine by me. All of these "hero's" are going away for a long time and some already have. Your previous big shots are nothing more than weak shells of themselves. and the Serbia citizens are equally hollow inside. Nothing there just fantasy and hate. But Karadzic isn't the last one to face justice and sentencing. There are many more to go! The Serbian name is "MUD".

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Bravo Hitler and the Roman Catholic Empire, perfect timing for the aniversary of Serbia's murder 17 years ago! Serbia murdered but not enough for the Roman Catholic Empire, now the suffering of our Christian Eastern Orthodox humanity in the Balkans to last how long, maybe 1000 years? All Serbian people who turn their backs to our Dear and Most Beloved Mother Russia may you turn into stones!!!

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Hank the Tank

pre 8 godina

Karadic is as guilty, or innocent, as Izetbegovic and Tudjman. No real proof Karadic is behind anything, only presumtions. He was guilty even before the trail began. There were Moses of evidence against Naser Oric but he walked free. There will never be peace in the Balkans with this one sided politics.

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resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 8 godina

Great news that the Hague Tribunal found him guilty of genocide but at the same time I was personally hoping that the tribunal would sentence him to life imprisonment but since he is in his seventies age range and should he spend 40 years "behind bars" theoretically or technically speaking this prison sentence could be regarded as a life sentence for him.So I wonder if many of his victims including their families,friends and supporters are "breathing" a sigh of relief that he's being penalized for his crimes and finally & especially if he's remorseless I have no sympathy for him nor do I pity his idiot sympathizers or supporters (regardless if they're Serb or non-Serb)that he's being punished.

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Justice was served twice today. First, the verdict of today and second, when he dies in that cell.

I celebrate today and I`m already looking forward to the celebration when he`s going to face the almighty in that cell.

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The Confesser

pre 8 godina

According to Hague officials Karadzic did the crime so since he did the crime than he should shut up and do the time(hopefully spend 40 years in prison)but I personally feel that the judge should have sentenced him to life imprisonment.

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rote

pre 8 godina

Muzaka ; Good riddance!

Don’t be naive as it’s a victory of the Serbians. Or you really believe that now they will be scared and join you in sucking the USA ? No my friend it’s our joint tragedy and should you know what the Russian media say you wouldn’t be that optimistic. If only Serbs say ENOUGH someday Russia will be by their side. But today it’s time to install a monument for the Serbian victims of the Tribunal. So it's not a riddance and not an endspiel anyway. Just be patient.

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rote

pre 8 godina

Most of the states in the world never betray their citizens to be judged abroad. I don’t even remember that it was questioned in Russia. Why not to have the same laws in Serbia? I admire how Serbs behave in Hague where the serve their last service to their Fatherland. It makes your barking neighbors feel nervous as they have failed to legalize the stolen lands while their good times are slipping away. Sooner or later they’ll have to deal with the two stubborn peoples with no rear transmissions.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"In reality, NATO is guilty..." no, this is just your opinion, which has a tendency of verging to fantasy; in reality, Karadzic will be spending whatever is left of his life in jail, due to being found guilty by an internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.

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Andy UK

pre 8 godina

The right verdict, but what would have happened if Izetbegovic and his Islamic inner circle had signed the 1992 peace treaty instead of changing their minds at the last minute?

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nevertrustagippo

pre 8 godina

"Naim", as you have a gippo name, are you one of those white Moslems? There's plenty of room in Syria if you don't want to live in Bosnia anymore.

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Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

This is what people are waiting for and so called RS should be vanished. now.
(Naim, 24 March 2016 15:59)

Oh, I know that's what you've been waiting for. Unfortunately for you, Karadzic was acquitted of the first count of genocide in places outside of Srebrenica. All this ruling did was confirm the Western mainstream propaganda, Serbs bad-Muslims good.

And sure enough, there were already plans being made to move in on Republika Srpska as a state and try to get their status removed. That will be a little hard now given that this fake court determined that genocide was only committed in Srebrenica. If he's responsible for civilians deaths then he should be in jail. But I personally am not convinced that this is the case.

Either way, the most important thing is Republika Srpska. Any attempt to make a move on our republic should be met with resistance. Even war if that's what it leads to. But it wont thank God.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

LOL! Nothing surprising here. Now it will be front page news to justify the crimes of NATO/US/UK/EU.

In reality, NATO is guilty but NATO would never put itself before its own "tribunal". Let the media circus begin.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

At least he's still alive and was present when his verdict was published. But 40 years for a 70 year old men sounds a lot. With the usual life expectancy of Serbs, he will serve 10% at most.

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Mikhas

pre 8 godina

It takes a thoroughly raped and sodomized people, baptized into "democracy" by NATO bombs of atomic waste, occupied and living with their rapist in a seemingly perpetual Stockholm-syndrome, to celebrate the verdict of the NATO kangaroo court (like they celebrated the court killing off the people who fought for their lives, people NATO couldn´t prosecute and people they feared).

The murmuring zombie sleepwalk in Serbia goes on....

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"But I personally am not convinced that this is the case." I'm sure Karadzic will take great comfort in that. He can't use your opinion to force a change in the verdict,however, when he is languishing in his cell for the rest of his sorry life, he can always whisper to himself, Ari Gold never doubted my innocence.

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Hank the Tank

pre 8 godina

Karadic is as guilty, or innocent, as Izetbegovic and Tudjman. No real proof Karadic is behind anything, only presumtions. He was guilty even before the trail began. There were Moses of evidence against Naser Oric but he walked free. There will never be peace in the Balkans with this one sided politics.

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Kum

pre 8 godina

As a Bosnian Serb I see that there is little hope in the failed Bosnia experiment, in part because Serbs still choose to believe in lies about their own role in the war and wave the flag that "others need to share in the blame as well." When you sin, you repent. You don't go crusading for others to admit what they did. That will come. Talk to many Bosniak's. They are not too proud of the country that was created either or their so called leaders. They feel just as robbed and abused as we do. There were crimes on all sides, yes, but lets be proportionate and rational. In our name bigger guns were used, more people were killed, and the country's industry was decimated by those events. The amount of suffering on the other side was far more. Yes in WWII the suffering of the Bosnian Serbs was more, and nobody disputes this, but this is not a competition. Accept that people like Karadzic and now people like Dodik and the kangroos in Banja Luka do not represent us. They care about their bank accounts and want to keep us uneducated, dumb and fearful. That is the mantra of Serb nationalism like any other nationalism - a rational man cannot blindly follow this nonsense. Think a little. Look at Trump, and compare it to Yugoslavia in the early 1990's. Same type of leaders, appealing to the basic urges, lying, creating problems that don't exist. Enjoy this video. Serbian Epics from our good friend Karadzic, the butcher who was so misunderstood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw3BNZPCTsw

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Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

This is what people are waiting for and so called RS should be vanished. now.
(Naim, 24 March 2016 15:59)

Oh, I know that's what you've been waiting for. Unfortunately for you, Karadzic was acquitted of the first count of genocide in places outside of Srebrenica. All this ruling did was confirm the Western mainstream propaganda, Serbs bad-Muslims good.

And sure enough, there were already plans being made to move in on Republika Srpska as a state and try to get their status removed. That will be a little hard now given that this fake court determined that genocide was only committed in Srebrenica. If he's responsible for civilians deaths then he should be in jail. But I personally am not convinced that this is the case.

Either way, the most important thing is Republika Srpska. Any attempt to make a move on our republic should be met with resistance. Even war if that's what it leads to. But it wont thank God.

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

Hague Tribunal sentences Karadzic to 40 years in prison

This is my short tribute to Karadzic.

A true Serb patriot stabbed in the back by the Belgrade political Iscariotes for thirty Euros.

The real genociders Clinton,Bush,Blair,Cameron, Sarcozy,Hollande are still outside enjoying the fruits of their genocides.

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nevertrustagippo

pre 8 godina

"Naim", as you have a gippo name, are you one of those white Moslems? There's plenty of room in Syria if you don't want to live in Bosnia anymore.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

LOL! Nothing surprising here. Now it will be front page news to justify the crimes of NATO/US/UK/EU.

In reality, NATO is guilty but NATO would never put itself before its own "tribunal". Let the media circus begin.

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EU Dude

pre 8 godina

A predictable verdict from a predictable court. I guess the ICTY's investors will be happy with their return of several hundred million.

If only Izetbegovic had got his islamist Bosnia with Croats and Serbs as pets then there would have been no war. Oh, and many thanks to US Ambassador Warren Zimmerman backing Izetbgovic 100% in rejecting the Jose Cutilheiro peace plan.

If only Fikret Abdic had remained as President of the SDA. Oh well.

It's not all completely wasted though. There's a lot of dirt to go all around and it is all there in the transcripts.

Unfortunately the ICTY claimed that it would make public the full horror of the war but has instead permanently sealed all the evidence collected from to its secret war crimes investigations into Tudjman and Izetbegovic. Apparently their innocence would be unfairly tarnished with both of them being dead.

Meanwhile, over a million Iraqis have died since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 but no one is guilty. Saudi Arabia is slaughtering Yemenis to the silence of western diplomats. Libya is ISIS new terrorist laboratory, thanks to US/UK/Fr help.

The West is so generous. It just keeps giving...

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jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

As Bakir Izetbegovic said "this is the highest sentence since Nuremberg Tribunal".
(Avni, 24 March 2016 19:51)

Your quoting the real war criminal son who has created a Bosnian Islamic Terrorist state in the middle of Europe! Alija Izetbegovic showed no bounds even killing his own people to gain a Muslim state. The other bandits in his former government continue to roam free, Eujup Ganic and Haris Siladzic who is now in Erdogan government in Turkey. Western Europe has nobody to blame but itself for the terrorist activities in Paris, Brussels by allowing rogue Islamic states to form in Bosnia and Kosovo.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

BiH is where the West started supporting Muslim extremists. KiM is where they started supporting KLA/Muslim terrorists. This then evolved into supporting terrorists in Iraq, Libya and Syria to overthrow their leaders and destroy those countries. Those terrorists then turned against the West and started blowing up western cities.

Now terrorists tag along with refugees from those destroyed countries and are preparing further attacks on more cities. It is karma in action! It is what happens when you play with fire.

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Justice was served twice today. First, the verdict of today and second, when he dies in that cell.

I celebrate today and I`m already looking forward to the celebration when he`s going to face the almighty in that cell.

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EU Citizen

pre 8 godina

Why must the Serbs on this thread publicly make a mess in their collective pants by defending murderers the likes of Karadzic, Seselj, Milosevic, Mladic, etc.

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Truth

pre 8 godina

This court and ruling is a joke. Markac, Gotovina, Oric walk free because they are not Serbian. It is as simple as that. If the court was interested in 'justice' then the other war criminals would be guilty. Those that haven't invested the time to truly investigate the events that happened during the war have no clue what they are talking about. I personally know peacekeepers that served in Bosnia who say that "Serbs were the only good people there." If you want to know the truth, seek and you shall find. Peace to all.

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rote

pre 8 godina

Most of the states in the world never betray their citizens to be judged abroad. I don’t even remember that it was questioned in Russia. Why not to have the same laws in Serbia? I admire how Serbs behave in Hague where the serve their last service to their Fatherland. It makes your barking neighbors feel nervous as they have failed to legalize the stolen lands while their good times are slipping away. Sooner or later they’ll have to deal with the two stubborn peoples with no rear transmissions.

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Englishman

pre 8 godina

"In reality, NATO is guilty..." no, this is just your opinion, which has a tendency of verging to fantasy; in reality, Karadzic will be spending whatever is left of his life in jail, due to being found guilty by an internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.
(Nikolle, 24 March 2016 17:35)
# Comment link
Internationally legally approved body LOL!!! one that the US isn't signed up to,when some western leaders and Nato Generals are in the Dock I will take it serious,in the meantime I will see it for what its is,a grotesque parody of a law court,its a Nato Kangeroo court.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

right?
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 15:32)
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LOL! Who was unarmed? You mean the thousands of Serbian civilians who Oric and his cowards massacred around Srebrenica on religious days from a UN protected zone and walks free even to this day? He walks free because it is not in the interests of Western powers to pursue universal justice, only the selective type to suit their agenda as they are just as guilty as he is.

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS. It is as simple as that. Keep going though, I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica. It is an annual ritual for me anyway. :)

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"But I personally am not convinced that this is the case." I'm sure Karadzic will take great comfort in that. He can't use your opinion to force a change in the verdict,however, when he is languishing in his cell for the rest of his sorry life, he can always whisper to himself, Ari Gold never doubted my innocence.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"In reality, NATO is guilty..." no, this is just your opinion, which has a tendency of verging to fantasy; in reality, Karadzic will be spending whatever is left of his life in jail, due to being found guilty by an internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.

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Dennis

pre 8 godina

Total BS from that clown court. Albright and company should be roting in prison for bombing the sovereign country of Serbia. Total BS by thoes hypocrites.

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The Confesser

pre 8 godina

According to Hague officials Karadzic did the crime so since he did the crime than he should shut up and do the time(hopefully spend 40 years in prison)but I personally feel that the judge should have sentenced him to life imprisonment.

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Joni

pre 8 godina

This man is one of the most “pure” Serbs, imagine the rest…. Is something wrong with this nation. They are glad of their crimes. Unbelievable!

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The real genociders Clinton,Bush,Blair,Cameron, Sarcozy,Hollande are still outside enjoying the fruits of their genocides.
(Leonidas, 25 March 2016 13:53)

I will add that Karadzic was not a politician and unfortunately he was outplayed tactically both internally and externally. One must also thank the great contribution that the Greek leader Constantinos Mitsoutakis undertook in trying to broker a peace plan in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Unfortunately and again, the Bosnian Serb Pale Parliament rejected the offer which led to further peril for Bosnia and Herzegovina.

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resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 8 godina

Great news that the Hague Tribunal found him guilty of genocide but at the same time I was personally hoping that the tribunal would sentence him to life imprisonment but since he is in his seventies age range and should he spend 40 years "behind bars" theoretically or technically speaking this prison sentence could be regarded as a life sentence for him.So I wonder if many of his victims including their families,friends and supporters are "breathing" a sigh of relief that he's being penalized for his crimes and finally & especially if he's remorseless I have no sympathy for him nor do I pity his idiot sympathizers or supporters (regardless if they're Serb or non-Serb)that he's being punished.

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Bravo Hitler and the Roman Catholic Empire, perfect timing for the aniversary of Serbia's murder 17 years ago! Serbia murdered but not enough for the Roman Catholic Empire, now the suffering of our Christian Eastern Orthodox humanity in the Balkans to last how long, maybe 1000 years? All Serbian people who turn their backs to our Dear and Most Beloved Mother Russia may you turn into stones!!!

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.
(Nikolle, 24 March 2016 17:35)
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I suppose NATO is international so perhaps a bit of truth there. The NATO court serves selective justice to justify the crimes committed by those who set up the court. Here is what Jamie Shea (NATO spokesman of the time) said about it.

"Jamie Shea : As you know, without NATO countries there would be no International Court of Justice, nor would there be any International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia because NATO countries are in the forefront of those who have established these two tribunals, who fund these tribunals and who support on a daily basis their activities."

Check -> http://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990517b.htm

And if you keep reading, you'll see how NATO countries are excluded from its jurisdiction. In other words, it is an international joke, a kangaroo court. History will be corrected and Karadzic is a Serbian hero.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

"Karadzic is a Serbian hero." Yes, I have noticed that a lot of Serbian hereos have a habit of ending up in prison
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 08:44)
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Exactly, while Albanian, Croatian ad Bosnian Muslim war criminals still roam the streets. It was the world we lived in, be friendly to the US and be exempt from crimes. Oppose the US and end up in prison.

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skepticism

pre 8 godina

Plenty of muslims celebrating the decision of the so-called "court"

None of them condemned the Brussels muslim terrorists

It is a matter of time before a war begins again in the Balkans.

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Avni

pre 8 godina

Once again international community can see the true face of Serbian war criminals. As Bakir Izetbegovic said "this is the highest sentence since Nuremberg Tribunal".

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Peter The Rocky

pre 8 godina

Great news, may the demon Karadic rot in hell & hopefully soon his fellow chetnik cronies ( Mladic, Seselj,etc ) will share the same outcome... Now since it has been proven that the RS was established on the foundation's of genocide, ethnic cleansing & mass extermination, let the dismantling of the RS BEGIN!!!

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Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Yes -

Seselj also said that Karadzic was innocent, and found guilty "just because he is a Serb."

From -

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=03&dd=25&nav_id=97481

Comment - I Quote myself -

A Political Verdict !.

He had no power or authority over the Military or the Military actions in Bosniaherzegovina.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 24 March 2016 16:42)

Arn.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

there's hundreds of newspaper adticles published on Karadzic's conviction for war crimes, which the whole world has access to. Farewell to another hero, ypu must be used to it by now. Next, Mladic
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 17:00)
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Yes, we are used to it. It has made us stronger and even more determined. We're not going to stop. Delete NATO, good signs coming from Trump and Corbyn regarding that. The next few years look promising.

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Andy UK

pre 8 godina

The right verdict, but what would have happened if Izetbegovic and his Islamic inner circle had signed the 1992 peace treaty instead of changing their minds at the last minute?

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Mikhas

pre 8 godina

It takes a thoroughly raped and sodomized people, baptized into "democracy" by NATO bombs of atomic waste, occupied and living with their rapist in a seemingly perpetual Stockholm-syndrome, to celebrate the verdict of the NATO kangaroo court (like they celebrated the court killing off the people who fought for their lives, people NATO couldn´t prosecute and people they feared).

The murmuring zombie sleepwalk in Serbia goes on....

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Drymades

pre 8 godina

Can't believe there can be such Albanian clowns as Marku, can't believe. Karaxhic's case has nothing to do with Kosovo. So why in the world would you celebrate? Are you celebrating for Bosnia's freedom? Hilarious, can't believe it!

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Can't believe there can be such Albanian clowns as Marku, can't believe. Karaxhic's case has nothing to do with Kosovo. So why in the world would you celebrate? Are you celebrating for Bosnia's freedom? Hilarious, can't believe it!
(Drymades, 24 March 2016 21:58

Because I have something you dont know. Its called empathy. We shared the same fate with Croatia and BiH. I can feel their pain and I celebrate justice for the victims of genocide. Today is a good day. Today, the world became a better place.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Should have gotten a life sentence this scum of the earth.
(mark, 24 March 2016 21:35
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In case you haven't noticed he is 70 years old and a 40 year sentence is more than his life.
For Serbs he is a hero and will always be. In time, the evil establishment called "the free world" will have a cleansing and will see him as a hero too. Once the rats in Washington are gone and good people of America are freed from their slavery to them history will not be what they portray it to be today.
Unfortunately this will not help Karadzic today.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

I always thought heroes were proud creatures, they do not hide behind fake identities, they do not run, they face their enemies head on
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 09:52)
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LOL! Stop watching TV, it is frying your brain. Karadzic defended the Serbian people against the much more powerful forces determined to demonise and destroy us. The same forces spreading death and destruction around the world, continuing to demonise those that opposed it. The powerful forces that will even support terrorists in its aim to overthrow governments, rob nations and control resources.

It is OK Nikolle, we have seen it before, we are patient, we have always defeated it. We have always ended up on the right side of history, you guys unfortunately have not. However, we have always had to endure a short or long period of occupation.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Am I lying? Kardazic hid behind a new identity, he did not have the convinction to stand by his actions, he hid and ran for a long time.
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 10:34)
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Karadzic had to withdraw from public view as part of the agreement with Holbrooke/US. Of course, he forgot never to make deals with the devil. But also why would he voluntarily give himself up to the lions? The NATO court has proven time and again that it is not impartial.

"Retired senior US state department officials confirmed that in July 1996 Mr Holbrooke, who served as President Bill Clinton's Balkans envoy, promised Mr Karadzic that he would not be prosecuted as part of wider peace deal requiring him to give up power."

Check -> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5039381/US-envoy-Richard-Holbrooke-did-offer-Radovan-Karadzic-immunity.html

"I was involved in negotiations pertaining to the agreement on Karadzic's withdrawal from the political scene. At that time, the gentlemen agreed that they would not speak about it in public," Klickovic said.

Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/karadzic-holbrooke-deal-was-signed

"According to the agreement, which was not signed by Holbrooke, Karadzic was supposed to withdraw from public and political life..."

Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/karadzic-indictment-withdrawal-motion

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Zoran"

pre 8 godina

"The ICTY has acquitted numerous other participants of the Yugoslav civil war in the past, including Croatian General Ante Gotovina, Kosovo Albanian Ramush Haradinaj, and Bosnian field commander Naser Oric, according to the statement."

“The civil war in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s and the NATO bombardments are a tragic chapter in world history,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said. “It is hard to imagine that only one side committed all the crimes in that war. The ICTY, however, continues building a myth of the Serbs’ sole responsibility for those events.”

Check -> https://www.rt.com/news/337261-russia-servia-verdict-karadzic/

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rote

pre 8 godina

Muzaka ; Good riddance!

Don’t be naive as it’s a victory of the Serbians. Or you really believe that now they will be scared and join you in sucking the USA ? No my friend it’s our joint tragedy and should you know what the Russian media say you wouldn’t be that optimistic. If only Serbs say ENOUGH someday Russia will be by their side. But today it’s time to install a monument for the Serbian victims of the Tribunal. So it's not a riddance and not an endspiel anyway. Just be patient.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

but what would have happened if Izetbegovic and his Islamic inner circle had signed the 1992 peace treaty instead of changing their minds at the last minute?
(Andy UK, 24 March 2016 16:15)
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He did sign it but withdrew his signature after meeting the US ambassador. The main instigators of war were the US and Germany playing divide and conquer.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"For Serbs he is a hero and will always be" Very odd choice for a hero I must say. I always thought heroes were proud creatures, they do not hide behind fake identities, they do not run, they face their enemies head on; Karadzic ultimately did not have the courage to stand by his actions, as chose to run and hide. He was seriously bad at poetry too, now that he has all the privacy he needs, maybe he can get better at it. I wonder, did his new age healing method ever heal anyone?

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

You're again confusing fact eotj conspiracy theories, you have a tendancy of doing this. Dont worry though Zoran, for every protestation to the contrary, there's hundreds of newspaper adticles published on Karadzic's conviction for war crimes, which the whole world has access to. Farewell to another hero, ypu must be used to it by now. Next, Mladic

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN
(icj1, 25 March 2016 21:05)
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As usual, what an idiotic reply.
It's obvious I was talking about the citizens of those countries. If something like that is not obvious to you then go back to reading stuff like "The Hungry Caterpillar". You might have a chance of understanding that.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

"The ICTY and its backers clearly believed any Serb atrocities were systematic and deliberate, while those committed by anyone else were random or incidental. While every single senior Serb official in present-day Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia was hauled before the court, only a few lower-level Croat, Bosnian Muslim or Albanian officials were even indicted – and most of them were acquitted outright, or on appeal."

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337162-karadzic-convicted-crimes-court/

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The political agenda of the Bosniak Islamic fundamentalist government continues to push for "genocide" conviction against Serbia to eventually further ethnically cleanse 1.5 million Serbs in RS to add to the 150 thousands serbs cleansed in Kosovo and 250, 000 thousand from Croatia.

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

However, as far as the international community is concerned,
(icj1,


Gosh! If a single word that comes out of your mouth earns you 0.000001$, you would still get richer than bill gate in 2 hours.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark again.

"The reality, as I wrote in 2015, is that western neocons and their ‘liberal interventionist’ allies are responsible for the greatest amount of death, destruction and human misery on this planet since the dark days of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler - whose “illegally invade a different country every couple of years” foreign policy they have emulated.’"

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons/

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

At least he's still alive and was present when his verdict was published. But 40 years for a 70 year old men sounds a lot. With the usual life expectancy of Serbs, he will serve 10% at most.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Comment link
Internationally legally approved body LOL!!! one that the US isn't signed up to,when some western leaders and Nato Generals are in the Dock I will take it serious,in the meantime I will see it for what its is,a grotesque parody of a law court,its a Nato Kangeroo court.
(Englishman, 24 March 2016 20:59)
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So right. If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?

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Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Truth is comming forward -

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2016&mm=03&dd=25&nav_id=97479

I Quote myself -

A Political Verdict !.

He had no power or authority over the Military or the Military actions in Bosniaherzegovina.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 24 March 2016 16:42)

Arn.Sweden.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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LOL! Are you referring to the "civilised" world of couch potatoes who don't know the difference between Serbia, Syria and Siberia? Yes, it is far more easier to fool those people than to convince them they are being fooled, much like you Albanians here.

Fortunately, we are not in the same place as the 90s. The west does not have a monopoly on the media anymore. I can see lots of alternative editorial opinions discrediting the NATO court and exposing it for what it really is, a political kangaroo court.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

Not for Serbia.
(EU Citizen, 25 March 2016 23:36)
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Really, why is that? From where I am sitting, it looks promising for Serbia and the whole world in general. The voices of truth are getting louder and those opposed to the evils of this world are getting stronger.

"In the standard western rewrite of history, Slobo and the Serbs were also to blame for the break-out of war in Bosnia. Yet the man who lit the blue touch paper for that brutal conflict war was not Milosevic, nor the Bosnian-Serb leaders, but the US ambassador Warren Zimmerman, who persuaded Bosnian separatist Alija Izetbegovic to renege on his signing of the 1992 Lisbon agreement, which had provided for the peaceful division of the republic.

Even after the 1995 Dayton agreement brought an end to a totally unnecessary conflict, there was to be no let up in the west's Serbophobia. In Kosovo, the west's strategic objectives meant them siding with the hardliners of the Kosovo Liberation Army, a group, officially classified as a terrorist organisation by the US state department."

This comes from the Guardian. Check -> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jan/14/itstimetoendserbbashing

Not everyone is so stupid to believe everything coming from Washington/London/Brussels/Berlin.

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RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

"Why must the Serbs on this thread publicly make a mess in their collective pants by defending murderers the likes of Karadzic, Seselj, Milosevic, Mladic, etc.
(EU Citizen"

Eu Citizen, who was murdered by Vojislav Seselj? Not even Hague prosecute him for that. There is no evidence that any of those you have mentioned had ordered any crimes or murder. Btw, how it's for EU citizens nowdays in capital of EU? You started that and now you reap what you saw.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

This is my short tribute to Karadzic.

A true Serb patriot stabbed in the back by the Belgrade political Iscariotes for thirty Euros.
(Leonidas, 25 March 2016 13:53)

Good for you and, hopefully, for Karadzic. However, as far as the international community is concerned, Karadzic is just a criminal that committed genocide and that's what counts.

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Dragan

pre 8 godina

The only thing Karadzic is guilty of is defending the will of the Serbian people to live free, live independent. Free and independent from invaders like the Turks, Austro-Hungarians, Nazis, and their leftovers, and from NATO war criminals who think they can do whatever they want with impunity. Serbs were the first to fight islamist jihadists in both Bosnia and Kosovo, as well as neo-nazis in Croatia, and THAT, my friends is a proud legacy. The mainstream media is full of anti-Serb racists and liars, and one should not believe a word of it. It's all garbage.
The Hague has released sub-humans like Nasir Oric, who is guilty of REAL genocide, and that is proof that this is not a court and these are 100% show trials meant to justify NATO's war crimes and put all the blame on the victim of neocon/neoliberal aggression and theft. Karadzic will live throughout history as a man who heroically stood up against all odds, was wrongfully accused by a fake court, and Serbians will praise him for decades to come. Just wait and see.
Cheers!!

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Serbian Crusher

pre 8 godina

It looks like the stars have aligned! I would be truly ashamed to be Serbian right now. What a disaster of a country. What a disaster of a people. Serbians could have made the right choices but they chose the path of evil and terror. Now, Serbia finds itself paying for those decisions and it isn't pretty. It's fine by me. All of these "hero's" are going away for a long time and some already have. Your previous big shots are nothing more than weak shells of themselves. and the Serbia citizens are equally hollow inside. Nothing there just fantasy and hate. But Karadzic isn't the last one to face justice and sentencing. There are many more to go! The Serbian name is "MUD".

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Englishman

You can see it as whatever you like, it has UN approval, hence it has legal basis. As for kangeroo court, well, it has the power to affect a persons individual liberty, in this case, that of Karadzic. Your view of the court will not set him free

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Naim

pre 8 godina

"Naim", as you have a gippo name, are you one of those white Moslems? There's plenty of room in Syria if you don't want to live in Bosnia anymore.
(nevertrustagippo,

It's the right time altogether to get rid of this SA called RS ( genicide profounded) to be just vanished - this should be now. No time to waste.

..To the one above: SA CALLED RS WILL BE VANISHED.
you will see witness or feel.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:10)

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Give it up, Zoran. You are embarrassing the rest of decent Serbs who know the truth which you are pathetically attempting to deny.
(Moderate Serb, 25 March 2016 23:53)
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Don't speak for the rest of us you pathetic imposter.
You can stop calling yourself "moderate Serb" because you are neither.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Am I lying? Kardazic hid behind a new identity, he did not have the convinction to stand by his actions, he hid and ran for a long time. Is that heroic? Not to me, that is pathetic and cowardly, because thats what he is, a coward, oh and a convincted fraudester in former Yugoslavia, why you choose this man for a hero is beyond me, maybe you see yourself in him in some way

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Karadzic did not withdraw from public view, he assumed a new identity because being Karadzic was liable to get him arrested. He is a coward, only able to order mass murder when the other side is unarmed. A truly pathetic man. Hopefully for him, his healing techniques can be of great comfort in the confines of his cell, because thats what what he'll have for company for the rest of his life, what a way for a hero to wither away...right?

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(icj1, 29 March 2016 15:47) Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)

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Not sure what 250 pages you're referring to but as a supreme and blind apologist for the ICTY it's no suprise that you don't even know the length of the ICTY writings, let alone any of the content.

I do think we must institute a new B92 acronym definition:

P.S. icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One

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Blind Profet

pre 8 godina

as Izetbegovic and Tudjman. No real proof Karadic is behind anything, only presumtions. He was guilty even before the trail began. There were Moses of evidence against Naser Oric but he walked free. There will never be peace in the Balkans with this one sided politics.
(Hank the Tank, 24 March 2016 17:44)

Sorry No no Tudjman and Izetbegovic died just like Milosevic so dont compare, Serbs Like Ari say here that Milosevic is innocent as no verdict was ever taken.

Now lets not use double standerds, UN Court is same place that gave you resolution 1244 that you love so much, you can not cherry pick chief this stuff.

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Black Swan

pre 8 godina

The verdict proves that a joint criminal enterprise orchestrated from Beograd occurred. Committing the biggest war crime ( genocide ) in Europe since WW2 by Serbs in BiH will never be forgotten. It's now time to dismantle the criminally insane creation of RS.

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

A serb gets rightfully convicted for genocide you people defend him instead of distancing your self from a criminal and the commited crimes?!

Thats one way to handle it. At least you are reminding the world who the bad guys really are. Thank you for that. You are doing more for your image than could have ever done. Congrats to that!

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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That may be so but the one whose judgement really counts is yet to pass his.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.
(Englishman, 27 March 2016 23:25)
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As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart.
(Peggy, 28 March 2016 09:54)
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Don't worry about icj1 or an Albanian pretending to be a moderate serb (probably the same person). As they say, don't argue with a stupid person. They will bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(icj1, 29 March 2016 21:48) Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)
(*)number corrected from my prior post
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Before we continue your education (and prolong your humiliation) let's start with a basic definition of elementary legal terms.

The first is “direct evidence”.

Do you agree the following two consecutive posts by icj1:

"1. (icj1, 29 March 2016 21:48)Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)
(*) number corrected from my prior post
and
2. (icj1, 29 March 2016 15:47) Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)"

represent a text book definition of direct evidence that confirm Peggy’s conviction earlier in this thread:

"(Peggy, 28 March 2016 09:54) As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart."

I thank you for providing an example of “direct evidence” as well as a bonus definition of “self incrimination” that fully supports the “smartarse” verdict.

Lastly, as an annoying and exhausted poster of B92 acronyms do you also agree that the primary and corroborating exhibits of evidence, you so graciously supplied, enable the commenting community to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that:

icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One

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icj1

pre 8 godina

If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:10)

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN
(icj1, 25 March 2016 21:05)

As usual, what an idiotic reply.
It's obvious I was talking about the citizens of those countries.
(Peggy, 26 March 2016 04:39)

Well, it's obvious to you, but I'm not in your mind. You wrote "countries" and I read it as "countries", but you wanted me to read it as "citizens of those countries"! So, you are saying the fault is mine for not reading what you did not write, not yours for not writing what you wanted others to read. Nice idiotic logic of yours, dear! Again, do you use your brain for anything other than moving your hand when you write?!

And, in any case, your new modified question as "citizens of those countries", is even more idiotic (you didn't use your brain, again, did you?) so not sure if you want to go that route lol Your question is beyond repair, dear, regardless of how you spin it :)

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

So, now we have gone through 3 variations of Peggy's question, all of them idiotic. As I said earlier, Peggy's question is beyond repair, regardless of how it is spinned, but let see if there are more volunteers like our dear friend Englishman lol
(icj1, 28 March 2016 15:07)

What are you trying to say? Until we see US indictments of which there are thousands of war criminals that have occurred in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria , etc. The Abu Ghraib incident in Iraq is a perfect example of a clear cut war crime with "international court indictments" Only a stupid clown like you thinks that justice is being served.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryamericas/2013/06/2013629115945462777.html

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RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

"Really?! So the most patriotic of Serbs where asking the UN to do something illegal when they were requesting the UN to establish a court for the KLA crimes!"

Really. Tribunal for terrorist so-called "kla" will be judged by serbian tribunal. War criminals have to answer for what they did. Their betzrayel of country that gave them everything (education, food etc.) has to be punished.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.

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Blind Prophet

pre 8 godina

So this means a UN court has declared that he is guilty, meaning Serbs committed Genocide just like Nazis set in stone.

Now you say Kosovo is not a country as it is not recognised by UN!

So which one is it UN is the truth when it is convenient for you. So from this step forward any time a Serb politician says Kosovo not in UN so not country = Sorry we have committed Genocide in Bosnia.

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The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS.
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.

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European Christian

pre 8 godina

Once the rats in Washington are gone and good people of America are freed from their slavery to them history will not be what they portray it to be today.
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:07)

I see that you've been listening to rote's borscht it.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"We're not going to stop." You're not going to stop doing what? Living in denial? Concoting more outlandish conspiracy theories? No you're really good at that

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Moderate Serb

pre 8 godina

right?
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 15:32)
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LOL! Who was unarmed? You mean the thousands of Serbian civilians who Oric and his cowards massacred around Srebrenica on religious days from a UN protected zone and walks free even to this day? He walks free because it is not in the interests of Western powers to pursue universal justice, only the selective type to suit their agenda as they are just as guilty as he is.

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS. It is as simple as that. Keep going though, I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica. It is an annual ritual for me anyway. :)
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)


Give it up, Zoran. You are embarrassing the rest of decent Serbs who know the truth which you are pathetically attempting to deny.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Mr Holbrooke, who served as President Bill Clinton's Balkans envoy, promised Mr Karadzic that he would not be prosecuted
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 11:17)

Hmm, when did the UNSC appoint Mr Holbrooke as ICTY's prosecutor?!

Perhaps you and Mr Karadzic have seen a UNSC Resolution appointing Mr Holbrooke as ICTY's prosecutor that few other people, if any, have seen!

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rote

pre 8 godina

European Christian : I see that you've been listening to rote's borscht it.


There are only few persons who can unite Serbs, Sqiptars, Croats, Greeks and Bosniaks here. Those are rote kapelle, R.T. Erdogun and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. All 3 are killers. Rote kills the slaves in your mentality while two others kill real people. Unfortunately rote is not as successful as the two because you feel comfortable with the fairy tales you had been supplied with. Those tales were cemented in thousands of books, films and pseudo-scientific dissertations, songs and legends written in 19 century ect. Find me a single document that Skaderbeg was an Sqiptar or that Sqiptars were Albanians. Find a document or an artifact that Islam or a mosque existed before 16 century. Find a proof that any state ever existed on the Balkans (including Greece ) or Jerusalem existed before 19 century. Explain why all 60 heirs of the Sultans living in Europe and the USA have their main Russian R1a happlogroup. Prove that Dmitry-1 Donskoy a Russian saint killed on Kosovo field as Murad-1 was a Muslim. Why the last Samurai killed by the Portuguese was a blond European or why the columns of the Bronze Age in Palmira destroyed by the ISIS had steel armatures inside or why temples and hills in this place have Slav names. How could Sultans of Egypt set free from taxes in Russia. Why Peter the Great spoke such bad Russian. Why Russia and Prussia had so much in common ect.

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rote

pre 8 godina

icj1 : You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

Stalin wasn’t a dove but he wasn’t a mass murderer as well. Before 1936 when his wife committed suicide he was quite normal for those rough times. But even after that during his last 17 years of life only 890 000 death penalties were realized in the USSR. Those figures included murderers, thieves and other criminals plus traitors during WW2. Anyway no millions as you must have heard in the west/ but there’s no political will to declare the figures. Putin is already demonized because he does not let to colonize the rest of the world. So if he legalizes those figures CNN/BBC/FOX/DW will hang all dead cats on him. See how silent they are about the great victory of Assad and Putin in Palmira. Should the Yankees set it free there would be a grand propaganda campaign. Now all including b92 sit silent.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

UN dosent have right to establish ad hoc tribunals. That kangaroo court is illegal.
(RighteousBilly, 28 March 2016 07:36)

Really?! So the most patriotic of Serbs where asking the UN to do something illegal when they were requesting the UN to establish a court for the KLA crimes!

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icj1

pre 8 godina

I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica.
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)

Woow, that's great that you'll finally start providing some facts! When are you planning to provide the first one?

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark again.

"The reality, as I wrote in 2015, is that western neocons and their ‘liberal interventionist’ allies are responsible for the greatest amount of death, destruction and human misery on this planet since the dark days of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler - whose “illegally invade a different country every couple of years” foreign policy they have emulated.’"

Check -> [link]/
(Zoran, 26 March 2016 22:45)

You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

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icj1

pre 8 godina

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.
(Englishman, 27 March 2016 23:25)

Oh, great, we have another distinguished contributor of these forums who is eager to join Peggy's idiocies!

ICTY is established through UNSCR 827 which is mandatory for all countries. The is no "signing up". If a person commits a crime that falls into ICTY's jurisdiction, it does not matter what the citizenship of that person is.

So, now we have gone through 3 variations of Peggy's question, all of them idiotic. As I said earlier, Peggy's question is beyond repair, regardless of how it is spinned, but let see if there are more volunteers like our dear friend Englishman lol

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(Reader, 30 March 2016 16:27) LOL, so your answer to icj1's question about an example is: 'you made a typo when writing, buhahaha'.
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Your illiteracy is well documented, so ignore the false moniker and READ my response.

On 29 Mar 17:07 I actually wrote: “Not sure what 250 pages you're referring to but as a supreme and blind apologist for the ICTY it's no surprise that you don't even know the length of the ICTY writings, let alone any of the content”

If you can read (proven otherwise), you won’t find any reference to typo in the responses.

The topic is “direct evidence” and a first step is to agree on definitions. This is particularly important for imposters such as icj1/Reader who’ve previously disregarded and failed to read referenced material.

icj1 was ignorant of the length or content of the referenced document. I supplied icj1 with the information. I also started the process of defining “direct evidence” by spoon-feeding icj1 examples of his/her comments (ie direct evidence) that provide plain proof of idiocy.

We also thank you for your valuable contribution to this effort by supplying yet more examples of direct evidence. Your false quote of words, which I never wrote, is another text book example of direct evidence clearly proving (again) that you as READER can not read.

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Englishman

pre 8 godina

And, in any case, your new modified question as "citizens of those countries", is even more idiotic (you didn't use your brain, again, did you?) so not sure if you want to go that route lol Your question is beyond repair, dear, regardless of how you spin it :)

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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That may be so but the one whose judgement really counts is yet to pass his.
(Peggy, 27 March 2016 00:33)

Who is that "one"? A certain "Peggy"?! :)

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icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1 : You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

Stalin wasn’t a dove but he wasn’t a mass murderer as well. Before 1936 when his wife committed suicide he was quite normal for those rough times.
(rote, 28 March 2016 10:42)

Yes, sure, the millions he starved to death in a man made famine in the early 1930's were normal.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 March 2016 11:12)

Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)

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icj1

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 March 2016 11:12)

Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)

(*) number corrected from my prior post

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One
(Amnesty Yugoslavia,

You'll have to stop arguing with an idiot.If you don't he will drag you down to his level and beat you with his experience.

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riverside

pre 8 godina

The court failed to convict him of another account of crime: disobey NATO. Otherwise the credibility of the court will be greatly compromised.

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Reader

pre 8 godina

(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 March 2016 04:34)

LOL, so your answer to icj1's question about an example is: 'you made a typo when writing, buhahaha'. You must be one of those lawyers hired by Vuk 'over my dead body' Jeremic back in the days of great legal battles. Instead of discussing about the voracity and merit of things, you try to change the subject of the conversation.

And dude, what is this writing style: "Lastly, as an annoying and exhausted poster of B92 acronyms do you also agree that the primary and corroborating exhibits of evidence, you so graciously supplied, enable the commenting community to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that...".

So many words, so many useless words, such a big preamble to say something simple. I hope you were just trying to show off your literary skills and don't talk like this in real life :).

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Justice was served twice today. First, the verdict of today and second, when he dies in that cell.

I celebrate today and I`m already looking forward to the celebration when he`s going to face the almighty in that cell.

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Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

This is what people are waiting for and so called RS should be vanished. now.
(Naim, 24 March 2016 15:59)

Oh, I know that's what you've been waiting for. Unfortunately for you, Karadzic was acquitted of the first count of genocide in places outside of Srebrenica. All this ruling did was confirm the Western mainstream propaganda, Serbs bad-Muslims good.

And sure enough, there were already plans being made to move in on Republika Srpska as a state and try to get their status removed. That will be a little hard now given that this fake court determined that genocide was only committed in Srebrenica. If he's responsible for civilians deaths then he should be in jail. But I personally am not convinced that this is the case.

Either way, the most important thing is Republika Srpska. Any attempt to make a move on our republic should be met with resistance. Even war if that's what it leads to. But it wont thank God.

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nevertrustagippo

pre 8 godina

"Naim", as you have a gippo name, are you one of those white Moslems? There's plenty of room in Syria if you don't want to live in Bosnia anymore.

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resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 8 godina

Great news that the Hague Tribunal found him guilty of genocide but at the same time I was personally hoping that the tribunal would sentence him to life imprisonment but since he is in his seventies age range and should he spend 40 years "behind bars" theoretically or technically speaking this prison sentence could be regarded as a life sentence for him.So I wonder if many of his victims including their families,friends and supporters are "breathing" a sigh of relief that he's being penalized for his crimes and finally & especially if he's remorseless I have no sympathy for him nor do I pity his idiot sympathizers or supporters (regardless if they're Serb or non-Serb)that he's being punished.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"In reality, NATO is guilty..." no, this is just your opinion, which has a tendency of verging to fantasy; in reality, Karadzic will be spending whatever is left of his life in jail, due to being found guilty by an internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"But I personally am not convinced that this is the case." I'm sure Karadzic will take great comfort in that. He can't use your opinion to force a change in the verdict,however, when he is languishing in his cell for the rest of his sorry life, he can always whisper to himself, Ari Gold never doubted my innocence.

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Hank the Tank

pre 8 godina

Karadic is as guilty, or innocent, as Izetbegovic and Tudjman. No real proof Karadic is behind anything, only presumtions. He was guilty even before the trail began. There were Moses of evidence against Naser Oric but he walked free. There will never be peace in the Balkans with this one sided politics.

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Serbian Crusher

pre 8 godina

It looks like the stars have aligned! I would be truly ashamed to be Serbian right now. What a disaster of a country. What a disaster of a people. Serbians could have made the right choices but they chose the path of evil and terror. Now, Serbia finds itself paying for those decisions and it isn't pretty. It's fine by me. All of these "hero's" are going away for a long time and some already have. Your previous big shots are nothing more than weak shells of themselves. and the Serbia citizens are equally hollow inside. Nothing there just fantasy and hate. But Karadzic isn't the last one to face justice and sentencing. There are many more to go! The Serbian name is "MUD".

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Andy UK

pre 8 godina

The right verdict, but what would have happened if Izetbegovic and his Islamic inner circle had signed the 1992 peace treaty instead of changing their minds at the last minute?

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Avni

pre 8 godina

Once again international community can see the true face of Serbian war criminals. As Bakir Izetbegovic said "this is the highest sentence since Nuremberg Tribunal".

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Karadzic did not withdraw from public view, he assumed a new identity because being Karadzic was liable to get him arrested. He is a coward, only able to order mass murder when the other side is unarmed. A truly pathetic man. Hopefully for him, his healing techniques can be of great comfort in the confines of his cell, because thats what what he'll have for company for the rest of his life, what a way for a hero to wither away...right?

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

LOL! Nothing surprising here. Now it will be front page news to justify the crimes of NATO/US/UK/EU.

In reality, NATO is guilty but NATO would never put itself before its own "tribunal". Let the media circus begin.

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EU Citizen

pre 8 godina

Why must the Serbs on this thread publicly make a mess in their collective pants by defending murderers the likes of Karadzic, Seselj, Milosevic, Mladic, etc.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

You're again confusing fact eotj conspiracy theories, you have a tendancy of doing this. Dont worry though Zoran, for every protestation to the contrary, there's hundreds of newspaper adticles published on Karadzic's conviction for war crimes, which the whole world has access to. Farewell to another hero, ypu must be used to it by now. Next, Mladic

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Peter The Rocky

pre 8 godina

Great news, may the demon Karadic rot in hell & hopefully soon his fellow chetnik cronies ( Mladic, Seselj,etc ) will share the same outcome... Now since it has been proven that the RS was established on the foundation's of genocide, ethnic cleansing & mass extermination, let the dismantling of the RS BEGIN!!!

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jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

As Bakir Izetbegovic said "this is the highest sentence since Nuremberg Tribunal".
(Avni, 24 March 2016 19:51)

Your quoting the real war criminal son who has created a Bosnian Islamic Terrorist state in the middle of Europe! Alija Izetbegovic showed no bounds even killing his own people to gain a Muslim state. The other bandits in his former government continue to roam free, Eujup Ganic and Haris Siladzic who is now in Erdogan government in Turkey. Western Europe has nobody to blame but itself for the terrorist activities in Paris, Brussels by allowing rogue Islamic states to form in Bosnia and Kosovo.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:10)

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN

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The Confesser

pre 8 godina

According to Hague officials Karadzic did the crime so since he did the crime than he should shut up and do the time(hopefully spend 40 years in prison)but I personally feel that the judge should have sentenced him to life imprisonment.

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Bravo Hitler and the Roman Catholic Empire, perfect timing for the aniversary of Serbia's murder 17 years ago! Serbia murdered but not enough for the Roman Catholic Empire, now the suffering of our Christian Eastern Orthodox humanity in the Balkans to last how long, maybe 1000 years? All Serbian people who turn their backs to our Dear and Most Beloved Mother Russia may you turn into stones!!!

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Kum

pre 8 godina

As a Bosnian Serb I see that there is little hope in the failed Bosnia experiment, in part because Serbs still choose to believe in lies about their own role in the war and wave the flag that "others need to share in the blame as well." When you sin, you repent. You don't go crusading for others to admit what they did. That will come. Talk to many Bosniak's. They are not too proud of the country that was created either or their so called leaders. They feel just as robbed and abused as we do. There were crimes on all sides, yes, but lets be proportionate and rational. In our name bigger guns were used, more people were killed, and the country's industry was decimated by those events. The amount of suffering on the other side was far more. Yes in WWII the suffering of the Bosnian Serbs was more, and nobody disputes this, but this is not a competition. Accept that people like Karadzic and now people like Dodik and the kangroos in Banja Luka do not represent us. They care about their bank accounts and want to keep us uneducated, dumb and fearful. That is the mantra of Serb nationalism like any other nationalism - a rational man cannot blindly follow this nonsense. Think a little. Look at Trump, and compare it to Yugoslavia in the early 1990's. Same type of leaders, appealing to the basic urges, lying, creating problems that don't exist. Enjoy this video. Serbian Epics from our good friend Karadzic, the butcher who was so misunderstood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw3BNZPCTsw

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Naim

pre 8 godina

"Naim", as you have a gippo name, are you one of those white Moslems? There's plenty of room in Syria if you don't want to live in Bosnia anymore.
(nevertrustagippo,

It's the right time altogether to get rid of this SA called RS ( genicide profounded) to be just vanished - this should be now. No time to waste.

..To the one above: SA CALLED RS WILL BE VANISHED.
you will see witness or feel.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

This is my short tribute to Karadzic.

A true Serb patriot stabbed in the back by the Belgrade political Iscariotes for thirty Euros.
(Leonidas, 25 March 2016 13:53)

Good for you and, hopefully, for Karadzic. However, as far as the international community is concerned, Karadzic is just a criminal that committed genocide and that's what counts.

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Moderate Serb

pre 8 godina

right?
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 15:32)
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LOL! Who was unarmed? You mean the thousands of Serbian civilians who Oric and his cowards massacred around Srebrenica on religious days from a UN protected zone and walks free even to this day? He walks free because it is not in the interests of Western powers to pursue universal justice, only the selective type to suit their agenda as they are just as guilty as he is.

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS. It is as simple as that. Keep going though, I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica. It is an annual ritual for me anyway. :)
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)


Give it up, Zoran. You are embarrassing the rest of decent Serbs who know the truth which you are pathetically attempting to deny.

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Mikhas

pre 8 godina

It takes a thoroughly raped and sodomized people, baptized into "democracy" by NATO bombs of atomic waste, occupied and living with their rapist in a seemingly perpetual Stockholm-syndrome, to celebrate the verdict of the NATO kangaroo court (like they celebrated the court killing off the people who fought for their lives, people NATO couldn´t prosecute and people they feared).

The murmuring zombie sleepwalk in Serbia goes on....

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rote

pre 8 godina

Most of the states in the world never betray their citizens to be judged abroad. I don’t even remember that it was questioned in Russia. Why not to have the same laws in Serbia? I admire how Serbs behave in Hague where the serve their last service to their Fatherland. It makes your barking neighbors feel nervous as they have failed to legalize the stolen lands while their good times are slipping away. Sooner or later they’ll have to deal with the two stubborn peoples with no rear transmissions.

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Englishman

pre 8 godina

"In reality, NATO is guilty..." no, this is just your opinion, which has a tendency of verging to fantasy; in reality, Karadzic will be spending whatever is left of his life in jail, due to being found guilty by an internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.
(Nikolle, 24 March 2016 17:35)
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Internationally legally approved body LOL!!! one that the US isn't signed up to,when some western leaders and Nato Generals are in the Dock I will take it serious,in the meantime I will see it for what its is,a grotesque parody of a law court,its a Nato Kangeroo court.

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Drymades

pre 8 godina

Can't believe there can be such Albanian clowns as Marku, can't believe. Karaxhic's case has nothing to do with Kosovo. So why in the world would you celebrate? Are you celebrating for Bosnia's freedom? Hilarious, can't believe it!

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Truth

pre 8 godina

This court and ruling is a joke. Markac, Gotovina, Oric walk free because they are not Serbian. It is as simple as that. If the court was interested in 'justice' then the other war criminals would be guilty. Those that haven't invested the time to truly investigate the events that happened during the war have no clue what they are talking about. I personally know peacekeepers that served in Bosnia who say that "Serbs were the only good people there." If you want to know the truth, seek and you shall find. Peace to all.

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

Hague Tribunal sentences Karadzic to 40 years in prison

This is my short tribute to Karadzic.

A true Serb patriot stabbed in the back by the Belgrade political Iscariotes for thirty Euros.

The real genociders Clinton,Bush,Blair,Cameron, Sarcozy,Hollande are still outside enjoying the fruits of their genocides.

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European Christian

pre 8 godina

Once the rats in Washington are gone and good people of America are freed from their slavery to them history will not be what they portray it to be today.
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:07)

I see that you've been listening to rote's borscht it.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Mr Holbrooke, who served as President Bill Clinton's Balkans envoy, promised Mr Karadzic that he would not be prosecuted
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 11:17)

Hmm, when did the UNSC appoint Mr Holbrooke as ICTY's prosecutor?!

Perhaps you and Mr Karadzic have seen a UNSC Resolution appointing Mr Holbrooke as ICTY's prosecutor that few other people, if any, have seen!

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Blind Prophet

pre 8 godina

So this means a UN court has declared that he is guilty, meaning Serbs committed Genocide just like Nazis set in stone.

Now you say Kosovo is not a country as it is not recognised by UN!

So which one is it UN is the truth when it is convenient for you. So from this step forward any time a Serb politician says Kosovo not in UN so not country = Sorry we have committed Genocide in Bosnia.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Englishman

You can see it as whatever you like, it has UN approval, hence it has legal basis. As for kangeroo court, well, it has the power to affect a persons individual liberty, in this case, that of Karadzic. Your view of the court will not set him free

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Am I lying? Kardazic hid behind a new identity, he did not have the convinction to stand by his actions, he hid and ran for a long time. Is that heroic? Not to me, that is pathetic and cowardly, because thats what he is, a coward, oh and a convincted fraudester in former Yugoslavia, why you choose this man for a hero is beyond me, maybe you see yourself in him in some way

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The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS.
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica.
(Zoran, 25 March 2016 16:11)

Woow, that's great that you'll finally start providing some facts! When are you planning to provide the first one?

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skepticism

pre 8 godina

Plenty of muslims celebrating the decision of the so-called "court"

None of them condemned the Brussels muslim terrorists

It is a matter of time before a war begins again in the Balkans.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

BiH is where the West started supporting Muslim extremists. KiM is where they started supporting KLA/Muslim terrorists. This then evolved into supporting terrorists in Iraq, Libya and Syria to overthrow their leaders and destroy those countries. Those terrorists then turned against the West and started blowing up western cities.

Now terrorists tag along with refugees from those destroyed countries and are preparing further attacks on more cities. It is karma in action! It is what happens when you play with fire.

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

Can't believe there can be such Albanian clowns as Marku, can't believe. Karaxhic's case has nothing to do with Kosovo. So why in the world would you celebrate? Are you celebrating for Bosnia's freedom? Hilarious, can't believe it!
(Drymades, 24 March 2016 21:58

Because I have something you dont know. Its called empathy. We shared the same fate with Croatia and BiH. I can feel their pain and I celebrate justice for the victims of genocide. Today is a good day. Today, the world became a better place.

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Dennis

pre 8 godina

Total BS from that clown court. Albright and company should be roting in prison for bombing the sovereign country of Serbia. Total BS by thoes hypocrites.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"We're not going to stop." You're not going to stop doing what? Living in denial? Concoting more outlandish conspiracy theories? No you're really good at that

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Blind Profet

pre 8 godina

as Izetbegovic and Tudjman. No real proof Karadic is behind anything, only presumtions. He was guilty even before the trail began. There were Moses of evidence against Naser Oric but he walked free. There will never be peace in the Balkans with this one sided politics.
(Hank the Tank, 24 March 2016 17:44)

Sorry No no Tudjman and Izetbegovic died just like Milosevic so dont compare, Serbs Like Ari say here that Milosevic is innocent as no verdict was ever taken.

Now lets not use double standerds, UN Court is same place that gave you resolution 1244 that you love so much, you can not cherry pick chief this stuff.

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Black Swan

pre 8 godina

The verdict proves that a joint criminal enterprise orchestrated from Beograd occurred. Committing the biggest war crime ( genocide ) in Europe since WW2 by Serbs in BiH will never be forgotten. It's now time to dismantle the criminally insane creation of RS.

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Joni

pre 8 godina

This man is one of the most “pure” Serbs, imagine the rest…. Is something wrong with this nation. They are glad of their crimes. Unbelievable!

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rote

pre 8 godina

Muzaka ; Good riddance!

Don’t be naive as it’s a victory of the Serbians. Or you really believe that now they will be scared and join you in sucking the USA ? No my friend it’s our joint tragedy and should you know what the Russian media say you wouldn’t be that optimistic. If only Serbs say ENOUGH someday Russia will be by their side. But today it’s time to install a monument for the Serbian victims of the Tribunal. So it's not a riddance and not an endspiel anyway. Just be patient.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

internationally and legally approved body, that is the reality.
(Nikolle, 24 March 2016 17:35)
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I suppose NATO is international so perhaps a bit of truth there. The NATO court serves selective justice to justify the crimes committed by those who set up the court. Here is what Jamie Shea (NATO spokesman of the time) said about it.

"Jamie Shea : As you know, without NATO countries there would be no International Court of Justice, nor would there be any International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia because NATO countries are in the forefront of those who have established these two tribunals, who fund these tribunals and who support on a daily basis their activities."

Check -> http://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990517b.htm

And if you keep reading, you'll see how NATO countries are excluded from its jurisdiction. In other words, it is an international joke, a kangaroo court. History will be corrected and Karadzic is a Serbian hero.

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Nikolle

pre 8 godina

"For Serbs he is a hero and will always be" Very odd choice for a hero I must say. I always thought heroes were proud creatures, they do not hide behind fake identities, they do not run, they face their enemies head on; Karadzic ultimately did not have the courage to stand by his actions, as chose to run and hide. He was seriously bad at poetry too, now that he has all the privacy he needs, maybe he can get better at it. I wonder, did his new age healing method ever heal anyone?

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

I always thought heroes were proud creatures, they do not hide behind fake identities, they do not run, they face their enemies head on
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 09:52)
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LOL! Stop watching TV, it is frying your brain. Karadzic defended the Serbian people against the much more powerful forces determined to demonise and destroy us. The same forces spreading death and destruction around the world, continuing to demonise those that opposed it. The powerful forces that will even support terrorists in its aim to overthrow governments, rob nations and control resources.

It is OK Nikolle, we have seen it before, we are patient, we have always defeated it. We have always ended up on the right side of history, you guys unfortunately have not. However, we have always had to endure a short or long period of occupation.

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rote

pre 8 godina

European Christian : I see that you've been listening to rote's borscht it.


There are only few persons who can unite Serbs, Sqiptars, Croats, Greeks and Bosniaks here. Those are rote kapelle, R.T. Erdogun and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. All 3 are killers. Rote kills the slaves in your mentality while two others kill real people. Unfortunately rote is not as successful as the two because you feel comfortable with the fairy tales you had been supplied with. Those tales were cemented in thousands of books, films and pseudo-scientific dissertations, songs and legends written in 19 century ect. Find me a single document that Skaderbeg was an Sqiptar or that Sqiptars were Albanians. Find a document or an artifact that Islam or a mosque existed before 16 century. Find a proof that any state ever existed on the Balkans (including Greece ) or Jerusalem existed before 19 century. Explain why all 60 heirs of the Sultans living in Europe and the USA have their main Russian R1a happlogroup. Prove that Dmitry-1 Donskoy a Russian saint killed on Kosovo field as Murad-1 was a Muslim. Why the last Samurai killed by the Portuguese was a blond European or why the columns of the Bronze Age in Palmira destroyed by the ISIS had steel armatures inside or why temples and hills in this place have Slav names. How could Sultans of Egypt set free from taxes in Russia. Why Peter the Great spoke such bad Russian. Why Russia and Prussia had so much in common ect.

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EU Dude

pre 8 godina

A predictable verdict from a predictable court. I guess the ICTY's investors will be happy with their return of several hundred million.

If only Izetbegovic had got his islamist Bosnia with Croats and Serbs as pets then there would have been no war. Oh, and many thanks to US Ambassador Warren Zimmerman backing Izetbgovic 100% in rejecting the Jose Cutilheiro peace plan.

If only Fikret Abdic had remained as President of the SDA. Oh well.

It's not all completely wasted though. There's a lot of dirt to go all around and it is all there in the transcripts.

Unfortunately the ICTY claimed that it would make public the full horror of the war but has instead permanently sealed all the evidence collected from to its secret war crimes investigations into Tudjman and Izetbegovic. Apparently their innocence would be unfairly tarnished with both of them being dead.

Meanwhile, over a million Iraqis have died since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 but no one is guilty. Saudi Arabia is slaughtering Yemenis to the silence of western diplomats. Libya is ISIS new terrorist laboratory, thanks to US/UK/Fr help.

The West is so generous. It just keeps giving...

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Should have gotten a life sentence this scum of the earth.
(mark, 24 March 2016 21:35
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In case you haven't noticed he is 70 years old and a 40 year sentence is more than his life.
For Serbs he is a hero and will always be. In time, the evil establishment called "the free world" will have a cleansing and will see him as a hero too. Once the rats in Washington are gone and good people of America are freed from their slavery to them history will not be what they portray it to be today.
Unfortunately this will not help Karadzic today.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

right?
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 15:32)
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LOL! Who was unarmed? You mean the thousands of Serbian civilians who Oric and his cowards massacred around Srebrenica on religious days from a UN protected zone and walks free even to this day? He walks free because it is not in the interests of Western powers to pursue universal justice, only the selective type to suit their agenda as they are just as guilty as he is.

Nikolle, you have absolutely no chance of convincing us of your one sided BS. It is as simple as that. Keep going though, I'll keep replying with more and more facts so others can be informed of the whole events leading to Srebrenica. It is an annual ritual for me anyway. :)

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Gjon Marku

pre 8 godina

A serb gets rightfully convicted for genocide you people defend him instead of distancing your self from a criminal and the commited crimes?!

Thats one way to handle it. At least you are reminding the world who the bad guys really are. Thank you for that. You are doing more for your image than could have ever done. Congrats to that!

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icj1

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 March 2016 11:12)

Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)

(*) number corrected from my prior post

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

At least he's still alive and was present when his verdict was published. But 40 years for a 70 year old men sounds a lot. With the usual life expectancy of Serbs, he will serve 10% at most.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Comment link
Internationally legally approved body LOL!!! one that the US isn't signed up to,when some western leaders and Nato Generals are in the Dock I will take it serious,in the meantime I will see it for what its is,a grotesque parody of a law court,its a Nato Kangeroo court.
(Englishman, 24 March 2016 20:59)
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So right. If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

there's hundreds of newspaper adticles published on Karadzic's conviction for war crimes, which the whole world has access to. Farewell to another hero, ypu must be used to it by now. Next, Mladic
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 17:00)
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Yes, we are used to it. It has made us stronger and even more determined. We're not going to stop. Delete NATO, good signs coming from Trump and Corbyn regarding that. The next few years look promising.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

If this court is so honourable and just why is it that the countries which set it up aren't willing to be judged by it?
(Peggy, 25 March 2016 01:10)

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN
(icj1, 25 March 2016 21:05)

As usual, what an idiotic reply.
It's obvious I was talking about the citizens of those countries.
(Peggy, 26 March 2016 04:39)

Well, it's obvious to you, but I'm not in your mind. You wrote "countries" and I read it as "countries", but you wanted me to read it as "citizens of those countries"! So, you are saying the fault is mine for not reading what you did not write, not yours for not writing what you wanted others to read. Nice idiotic logic of yours, dear! Again, do you use your brain for anything other than moving your hand when you write?!

And, in any case, your new modified question as "citizens of those countries", is even more idiotic (you didn't use your brain, again, did you?) so not sure if you want to go that route lol Your question is beyond repair, dear, regardless of how you spin it :)

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icj1

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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That may be so but the one whose judgement really counts is yet to pass his.
(Peggy, 27 March 2016 00:33)

Who is that "one"? A certain "Peggy"?! :)

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icj1

pre 8 godina

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.
(Englishman, 27 March 2016 23:25)

Oh, great, we have another distinguished contributor of these forums who is eager to join Peggy's idiocies!

ICTY is established through UNSCR 827 which is mandatory for all countries. The is no "signing up". If a person commits a crime that falls into ICTY's jurisdiction, it does not matter what the citizenship of that person is.

So, now we have gone through 3 variations of Peggy's question, all of them idiotic. As I said earlier, Peggy's question is beyond repair, regardless of how it is spinned, but let see if there are more volunteers like our dear friend Englishman lol

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icj1

pre 8 godina

UN dosent have right to establish ad hoc tribunals. That kangaroo court is illegal.
(RighteousBilly, 28 March 2016 07:36)

Really?! So the most patriotic of Serbs where asking the UN to do something illegal when they were requesting the UN to establish a court for the KLA crimes!

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icj1

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 29 March 2016 11:12)

Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The real genociders Clinton,Bush,Blair,Cameron, Sarcozy,Hollande are still outside enjoying the fruits of their genocides.
(Leonidas, 25 March 2016 13:53)

I will add that Karadzic was not a politician and unfortunately he was outplayed tactically both internally and externally. One must also thank the great contribution that the Greek leader Constantinos Mitsoutakis undertook in trying to broker a peace plan in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Unfortunately and again, the Bosnian Serb Pale Parliament rejected the offer which led to further peril for Bosnia and Herzegovina.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

Give it up, Zoran. You are embarrassing the rest of decent Serbs who know the truth which you are pathetically attempting to deny.
(Moderate Serb, 25 March 2016 23:53)
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Don't speak for the rest of us you pathetic imposter.
You can stop calling yourself "moderate Serb" because you are neither.

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RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

"Why must the Serbs on this thread publicly make a mess in their collective pants by defending murderers the likes of Karadzic, Seselj, Milosevic, Mladic, etc.
(EU Citizen"

Eu Citizen, who was murdered by Vojislav Seselj? Not even Hague prosecute him for that. There is no evidence that any of those you have mentioned had ordered any crimes or murder. Btw, how it's for EU citizens nowdays in capital of EU? You started that and now you reap what you saw.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

"Karadzic is a Serbian hero." Yes, I have noticed that a lot of Serbian hereos have a habit of ending up in prison
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 08:44)
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Exactly, while Albanian, Croatian ad Bosnian Muslim war criminals still roam the streets. It was the world we lived in, be friendly to the US and be exempt from crimes. Oppose the US and end up in prison.

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

The political agenda of the Bosniak Islamic fundamentalist government continues to push for "genocide" conviction against Serbia to eventually further ethnically cleanse 1.5 million Serbs in RS to add to the 150 thousands serbs cleansed in Kosovo and 250, 000 thousand from Croatia.

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

However, as far as the international community is concerned,
(icj1,


Gosh! If a single word that comes out of your mouth earns you 0.000001$, you would still get richer than bill gate in 2 hours.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

icj1 : You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

Stalin wasn’t a dove but he wasn’t a mass murderer as well. Before 1936 when his wife committed suicide he was quite normal for those rough times.
(rote, 28 March 2016 10:42)

Yes, sure, the millions he starved to death in a man made famine in the early 1930's were normal.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

@Zoran
Am I lying? Kardazic hid behind a new identity, he did not have the convinction to stand by his actions, he hid and ran for a long time.
(Nikolle, 25 March 2016 10:34)
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Karadzic had to withdraw from public view as part of the agreement with Holbrooke/US. Of course, he forgot never to make deals with the devil. But also why would he voluntarily give himself up to the lions? The NATO court has proven time and again that it is not impartial.

"Retired senior US state department officials confirmed that in July 1996 Mr Holbrooke, who served as President Bill Clinton's Balkans envoy, promised Mr Karadzic that he would not be prosecuted as part of wider peace deal requiring him to give up power."

Check -> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5039381/US-envoy-Richard-Holbrooke-did-offer-Radovan-Karadzic-immunity.html

"I was involved in negotiations pertaining to the agreement on Karadzic's withdrawal from the political scene. At that time, the gentlemen agreed that they would not speak about it in public," Klickovic said.

Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/karadzic-holbrooke-deal-was-signed

"According to the agreement, which was not signed by Holbrooke, Karadzic was supposed to withdraw from public and political life..."

Check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/karadzic-indictment-withdrawal-motion

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

What an idiotic question, on several points!

1. ICTY is a criminal court that judges INDIVIDUALS for their individual crimes (read UNSCR 827, dear). No country has ever been or will ever be judged by ICTY...

2. ICTY is not set up by any countries; it is set up by the UN
(icj1, 25 March 2016 21:05)
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As usual, what an idiotic reply.
It's obvious I was talking about the citizens of those countries. If something like that is not obvious to you then go back to reading stuff like "The Hungry Caterpillar". You might have a chance of understanding that.

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icj1

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark again.

"The reality, as I wrote in 2015, is that western neocons and their ‘liberal interventionist’ allies are responsible for the greatest amount of death, destruction and human misery on this planet since the dark days of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler - whose “illegally invade a different country every couple of years” foreign policy they have emulated.’"

Check -> [link]/
(Zoran, 26 March 2016 22:45)

You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

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rote

pre 8 godina

icj1 : You forgot comrade Stalin, mate... He fought so hard to be first in the list of mass murderers!

Stalin wasn’t a dove but he wasn’t a mass murderer as well. Before 1936 when his wife committed suicide he was quite normal for those rough times. But even after that during his last 17 years of life only 890 000 death penalties were realized in the USSR. Those figures included murderers, thieves and other criminals plus traitors during WW2. Anyway no millions as you must have heard in the west/ but there’s no political will to declare the figures. Putin is already demonized because he does not let to colonize the rest of the world. So if he legalizes those figures CNN/BBC/FOX/DW will hang all dead cats on him. See how silent they are about the great victory of Assad and Putin in Palmira. Should the Yankees set it free there would be a grand propaganda campaign. Now all including b92 sit silent.

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Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Yes -

Seselj also said that Karadzic was innocent, and found guilty "just because he is a Serb."

From -

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=03&dd=25&nav_id=97481

Comment - I Quote myself -

A Political Verdict !.

He had no power or authority over the Military or the Military actions in Bosniaherzegovina.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 24 March 2016 16:42)

Arn.

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Zoran"

pre 8 godina

"The ICTY has acquitted numerous other participants of the Yugoslav civil war in the past, including Croatian General Ante Gotovina, Kosovo Albanian Ramush Haradinaj, and Bosnian field commander Naser Oric, according to the statement."

“The civil war in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s and the NATO bombardments are a tragic chapter in world history,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said. “It is hard to imagine that only one side committed all the crimes in that war. The ICTY, however, continues building a myth of the Serbs’ sole responsibility for those events.”

Check -> https://www.rt.com/news/337261-russia-servia-verdict-karadzic/

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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That may be so but the one whose judgement really counts is yet to pass his.

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Peggy

pre 8 godina

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.
(Englishman, 27 March 2016 23:25)
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As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

but what would have happened if Izetbegovic and his Islamic inner circle had signed the 1992 peace treaty instead of changing their minds at the last minute?
(Andy UK, 24 March 2016 16:15)
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He did sign it but withdrew his signature after meeting the US ambassador. The main instigators of war were the US and Germany playing divide and conquer.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

"The ICTY and its backers clearly believed any Serb atrocities were systematic and deliberate, while those committed by anyone else were random or incidental. While every single senior Serb official in present-day Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia was hauled before the court, only a few lower-level Croat, Bosnian Muslim or Albanian officials were even indicted – and most of them were acquitted outright, or on appeal."

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337162-karadzic-convicted-crimes-court/

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Dragan

pre 8 godina

The only thing Karadzic is guilty of is defending the will of the Serbian people to live free, live independent. Free and independent from invaders like the Turks, Austro-Hungarians, Nazis, and their leftovers, and from NATO war criminals who think they can do whatever they want with impunity. Serbs were the first to fight islamist jihadists in both Bosnia and Kosovo, as well as neo-nazis in Croatia, and THAT, my friends is a proud legacy. The mainstream media is full of anti-Serb racists and liars, and one should not believe a word of it. It's all garbage.
The Hague has released sub-humans like Nasir Oric, who is guilty of REAL genocide, and that is proof that this is not a court and these are 100% show trials meant to justify NATO's war crimes and put all the blame on the victim of neocon/neoliberal aggression and theft. Karadzic will live throughout history as a man who heroically stood up against all odds, was wrongfully accused by a fake court, and Serbians will praise him for decades to come. Just wait and see.
Cheers!!

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart.
(Peggy, 28 March 2016 09:54)
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Don't worry about icj1 or an Albanian pretending to be a moderate serb (probably the same person). As they say, don't argue with a stupid person. They will bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

Not for Serbia.
(EU Citizen, 25 March 2016 23:36)
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Really, why is that? From where I am sitting, it looks promising for Serbia and the whole world in general. The voices of truth are getting louder and those opposed to the evils of this world are getting stronger.

"In the standard western rewrite of history, Slobo and the Serbs were also to blame for the break-out of war in Bosnia. Yet the man who lit the blue touch paper for that brutal conflict war was not Milosevic, nor the Bosnian-Serb leaders, but the US ambassador Warren Zimmerman, who persuaded Bosnian separatist Alija Izetbegovic to renege on his signing of the 1992 Lisbon agreement, which had provided for the peaceful division of the republic.

Even after the 1995 Dayton agreement brought an end to a totally unnecessary conflict, there was to be no let up in the west's Serbophobia. In Kosovo, the west's strategic objectives meant them siding with the hardliners of the Kosovo Liberation Army, a group, officially classified as a terrorist organisation by the US state department."

This comes from the Guardian. Check -> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/jan/14/itstimetoendserbbashing

Not everyone is so stupid to believe everything coming from Washington/London/Brussels/Berlin.

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Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

So, now we have gone through 3 variations of Peggy's question, all of them idiotic. As I said earlier, Peggy's question is beyond repair, regardless of how it is spinned, but let see if there are more volunteers like our dear friend Englishman lol
(icj1, 28 March 2016 15:07)

What are you trying to say? Until we see US indictments of which there are thousands of war criminals that have occurred in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria , etc. The Abu Ghraib incident in Iraq is a perfect example of a clear cut war crime with "international court indictments" Only a stupid clown like you thinks that justice is being served.
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryamericas/2013/06/2013629115945462777.html

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Arn.Sweden.

pre 8 godina

Truth is comming forward -

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2016&mm=03&dd=25&nav_id=97479

I Quote myself -

A Political Verdict !.

He had no power or authority over the Military or the Military actions in Bosniaherzegovina.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 24 March 2016 16:42)

Arn.Sweden.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

It really doesn't matter that you are not convinced, the civilized world got what they wanted, Karadzic will die in prison.
(The Count of Kosova, 26 March 2016 01:40)
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LOL! Are you referring to the "civilised" world of couch potatoes who don't know the difference between Serbia, Syria and Siberia? Yes, it is far more easier to fool those people than to convince them they are being fooled, much like you Albanians here.

Fortunately, we are not in the same place as the 90s. The west does not have a monopoly on the media anymore. I can see lots of alternative editorial opinions discrediting the NATO court and exposing it for what it really is, a political kangaroo court.

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Zoran

pre 8 godina

Neil Clark again.

"The reality, as I wrote in 2015, is that western neocons and their ‘liberal interventionist’ allies are responsible for the greatest amount of death, destruction and human misery on this planet since the dark days of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler - whose “illegally invade a different country every couple of years” foreign policy they have emulated.’"

Check -> https://www.rt.com/op-edge/337290-radovan-karadzic-punishment-neocons/

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Englishman

pre 8 godina

And, in any case, your new modified question as "citizens of those countries", is even more idiotic (you didn't use your brain, again, did you?) so not sure if you want to go that route lol Your question is beyond repair, dear, regardless of how you spin it :)

What Peggy means is the US hasn't signed up to that court in case some of their War Criminals end up there,in other words the whole court is a Nato kangaroo court masquerading as a court of law.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

One notable point from the ICTY clowns masquerading as judges at the ICTY is the lack of direct evidence to support their arguments. In a first read from the more than 2500 pages and one realizes that after more than two decades of investigation by armies of prosecutors and investigators and billion dollars expenditures, that in the absence of direct evidence, the ring masters had to rely on ridiculous inferences that wouldn't pass a smell test of reasonable doubt in any authentic judicial system. Laughable.

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Reader

pre 8 godina

(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 30 March 2016 04:34)

LOL, so your answer to icj1's question about an example is: 'you made a typo when writing, buhahaha'. You must be one of those lawyers hired by Vuk 'over my dead body' Jeremic back in the days of great legal battles. Instead of discussing about the voracity and merit of things, you try to change the subject of the conversation.

And dude, what is this writing style: "Lastly, as an annoying and exhausted poster of B92 acronyms do you also agree that the primary and corroborating exhibits of evidence, you so graciously supplied, enable the commenting community to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that...".

So many words, so many useless words, such a big preamble to say something simple. I hope you were just trying to show off your literary skills and don't talk like this in real life :).

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RighteousBilly

pre 8 godina

"Really?! So the most patriotic of Serbs where asking the UN to do something illegal when they were requesting the UN to establish a court for the KLA crimes!"

Really. Tribunal for terrorist so-called "kla" will be judged by serbian tribunal. War criminals have to answer for what they did. Their betzrayel of country that gave them everything (education, food etc.) has to be punished.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(icj1, 29 March 2016 15:47) Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)

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Not sure what 250 pages you're referring to but as a supreme and blind apologist for the ICTY it's no suprise that you don't even know the length of the ICTY writings, let alone any of the content.

I do think we must institute a new B92 acronym definition:

P.S. icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(icj1, 29 March 2016 21:48) Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)
(*)number corrected from my prior post
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Before we continue your education (and prolong your humiliation) let's start with a basic definition of elementary legal terms.

The first is “direct evidence”.

Do you agree the following two consecutive posts by icj1:

"1. (icj1, 29 March 2016 21:48)Like what? Any specific example from those 2500* pages that left you sleepless at night :)
(*) number corrected from my prior post
and
2. (icj1, 29 March 2016 15:47) Like what? Any specific example from those 250 pages that left you sleepless at night :)"

represent a text book definition of direct evidence that confirm Peggy’s conviction earlier in this thread:

"(Peggy, 28 March 2016 09:54) As usual in his/her hurry to appear smart, icj keeps proving how stupid he/she is. Being a smartarse isn't the same as being smart."

I thank you for providing an example of “direct evidence” as well as a bonus definition of “self incrimination” that fully supports the “smartarse” verdict.

Lastly, as an annoying and exhausted poster of B92 acronyms do you also agree that the primary and corroborating exhibits of evidence, you so graciously supplied, enable the commenting community to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that:

icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One

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riverside

pre 8 godina

The court failed to convict him of another account of crime: disobey NATO. Otherwise the credibility of the court will be greatly compromised.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 8 godina

(Reader, 30 March 2016 16:27) LOL, so your answer to icj1's question about an example is: 'you made a typo when writing, buhahaha'.
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Your illiteracy is well documented, so ignore the false moniker and READ my response.

On 29 Mar 17:07 I actually wrote: “Not sure what 250 pages you're referring to but as a supreme and blind apologist for the ICTY it's no surprise that you don't even know the length of the ICTY writings, let alone any of the content”

If you can read (proven otherwise), you won’t find any reference to typo in the responses.

The topic is “direct evidence” and a first step is to agree on definitions. This is particularly important for imposters such as icj1/Reader who’ve previously disregarded and failed to read referenced material.

icj1 was ignorant of the length or content of the referenced document. I supplied icj1 with the information. I also started the process of defining “direct evidence” by spoon-feeding icj1 examples of his/her comments (ie direct evidence) that provide plain proof of idiocy.

We also thank you for your valuable contribution to this effort by supplying yet more examples of direct evidence. Your false quote of words, which I never wrote, is another text book example of direct evidence clearly proving (again) that you as READER can not read.

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Leonidas

pre 8 godina

icj1 = Idiot Commentator on Jugoslavia # One
(Amnesty Yugoslavia,

You'll have to stop arguing with an idiot.If you don't he will drag you down to his level and beat you with his experience.

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