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NATO "regrets civilian victims" of its attacks on Serbia

Jens Stoltenberg said in Belgrade on Friday that NATO "regrets for every lost civilian life in the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999."

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peter

pre 8 godina

@icj1
You are probably one of those who get the info form CNN and Co. which leads me to believe you will justify the destruction of Iraq based on deliberately fabricated "evidence" as well as Libya chaos and then the Syria issue and all those other "great" things NATO had accomplished in the past 15 or so years which caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.Great job. And before visiting Serbian news sites to spread your BS maybe you could clean up your back yard first. I haven't seen your mentors Bush or Cheney being sent to Hague for their part in WMD fiasco.

think again

pre 8 godina

(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 21:36) In your attempt to claim the moral highroad did you prove me wrong?
Do the the Serbian posters not come on here daily and attempt to justify their actions in the 90's. Just as ISIS try to portray their actions as sanctioned by God.
Think before you write. And just like when you said NATO and US you did not mean all Americans and NATO members, I said Serbs on here, not all Serbs. I think most Serbians are good, just not the ones who post here.

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

I can see where you use the ISIS analogy because if you talk to any ISIS person they think their terrorist actions are righteous, just as daily the Serbs come on here and defend their actions in Yugoslavia.
(think again, 25 November 2015 13:19)

Thank you for supporting my original point. To the good folks reading B92, you see how some individuals cannot eschew ethnocentrism and blatant racism (for lack of better words)? The immediate reaction is to insult Serbs, an entire people. Hey 'think for once', you should direct your attack at me, not at the entire Serb ethnicity. If you have problem with something I said, attack me, not the Serbs. I'm not attacking Albanians or Serbs. My mother was a Serb, but I'm not going to support anyone, Serb or Albanian who disrespects an entire nation for such folly. I urge you and everyone else to show some self-respect and for goodness sake think before writing.

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO targeted civilian targets pretending they had military significance.
(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18)

According to the UN the above is not the case, so since you are a nobody compared to the UN your statement can simply be ignored.
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Your defending of NATO's actions shows little sophistication in your cognitive/moral competence.
(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18)

I just pointed out that according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO violated the laws of war during the bombing campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999. If you disagree, there is no point to tell that to me - I'm just the messenger. Direct your concerns to the UN!

think again

pre 8 godina

(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18) No amount of talk is going to change your mind as it is set and unpenetratable as a 10 year old scone. But you have the facts wrong, yes NATO did target some "civilian" targets because they were in fact undercover military installations. The targeting of the Radio station was discussed many days by many people before it became an actual target, warning was given that it would be taken out, and Milosevic chose to put some disposable civilians in the way to try and propagandize the act.

I can see where you use the ISIS analogy because if you talk to any ISIS person they think their terrorist actions are righteous, just as daily the Serbs come on here and defend their actions in Yugoslavia.

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

the problem here is that some people are ignorant... The laws of war do not say that killing of civilians is always unacceptable. It is the wanton or disproportional targeting of civilians that is unacceptable and is a war crime. It's not that Milosevic and the Serbian military operated in some uninhabited area...

That's why countries should be careful about going to war - Milosevic gambled on that thinking that nobody would do anything serious to stop him, and lost his gamble!
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:28)

I have to disagree with you. Although there are supposedly no laws of war governing civilian deaths, we in the West should know better than that. Instead, NATO targeted civilian targets pretending they had military significance. Their aim was to overthrow Milosevic by causing discomfort in civilians, most of whom didn't give a darn about war or Milosevic. Destroying infrastructure was unacceptable. NATO and the US has a history of doing such attacks and also using sanctions that attack civilians. The destruction of civilian targets is the same as using human shields to protect terrorists from death.
Milosevic was a bad guy. Your defending of NATO's actions shows little sophistication in your cognitive/moral competence. You can make excuses all you want, but if you accept what NATO did as Milosevic's fault, you probably also are more likely to believe that the deaths caused by ISIS in France are France's fault.

Point of Contradiction

pre 8 godina

ugoslavija, 24 November 2015 21:21)
Of course in your eyes Serbia never committed war crimes, but the rest of the world disagrees.
Serbia was forewarned about the attack on the Radio station that was used as a military communications center, but instead of evacuating all civilians they had low level people stay put to claim civilian deaths but were those deaths due to the actual bombs or the goals of a heinous dictator? Also the students in the cafe in Peja, killed by your own govt.
I guess it is a matter of opinion whether Jashari was a terrorist or a hero isn't it. To you all Albanians are terrorists so kind of clouds your opinion.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

@Point of Contradiction

"When in Kosovo I went to see the home of Adem Jashari which came under attack by Serb forces, in that massacre 28 women and children were killed by overwhelming Serb forces"

ADEM Jasheri, the Albanian Muslim Islamic KLA terrorist was given 48 hours to surrender to the Yugoslav security services. That Islamic idiot sacrificed the lives of his family for his terrorist activities. He could have at least release the children instead of using them as shields. What a coward and these Kosovo Islamic KLA terrorists have the audacity to name an airport after this coward.

icj1

pre 8 godina

ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.
(lukebuyenovich, 24 November 2015 12:39)

What an idiotic statement. ICTY will never pass a judgement on that because it's not one of the crimes under its jurisdiction. ICTY's mandate is to prosecute violations of the laws of war, not whether the war was legal or not.

Regardless of the legality of a war, once a war starts combatants are obligated to conduct military operations in accordance with the laws of war, as NATO did.

point of clarification

pre 8 godina

ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.
(lukebuyenovich, 24 November 2015 12:39)
Kind of behind on the times,
Prosecutor's Report on the Nato Bombing Campaign.

"As announced in her address to the UN Security Council on Friday 2 June, 2000, the Prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, has decided not to open a criminal investigation into any aspect of NATO's 1999 air campaign against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."
As far as my comments on "allowing Serbia to survive" I did not mean that figuratively, but that any truce should have been superseded by an agreement similar to Kosovo. The entire govt of Serbia should have been cast out and the military not only withdrawn from Kosovo but disarmed and disbanded and SERBIA placed under international supervision with Kosovo and rebuilt to insure that the 90's were never to be repeated. As with Germany and Japan, two of the most successful countries on the planet today.
but instead you have Serbia stagnated in that their ultimate goal today is to rid Kosovo of all Albanians.
As far as using my own name. Don't know if this is yours but my first name is already in use here, and there is no way that I would give my personal information out on a site that has such fanatical followers.
You view NATO bombing as criminal eventhough it saved far more lives than it took, but in your rant of wanting peace I saw no condemnation of the brutal acts of Serbia.

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

I'm not interested in swapping insults with anyone.Purpose of my comments are directed to those who can make a difference in conducting war and peace in troublesome Europe.Whatever did happen in disintegration of former Yugoslavia its recorded and archived.ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

"Point of correction"Who ever you are,obviously afraid or ashamed of your identity.I support no dictators, terrorist or criminals.I advocate peace no wars.Intentionally,selecting and targeting civilians in any conflict is a criminal act.Therefore,NATO committed act of terrorism."The only shame NATO or Clark has is that allowed Serbia to survive"Unfortunately for Europe there is some people who entertain these thoughts of destroying Serbia.Keep on dreaming!!!

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

That's correct - it was not an apology because there is nothing to apologize for.
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The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Sure, generally speaking that's correct. But, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO did the above.
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To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets"
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Please provide the tape that we should roll to see Clark saying the above.
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This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Well, you have to provide the tape first :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

There sure are some unintelligent comments here. Collateral damage is never acceptable. If the target was Milosevic, then he alone and the military should have been the target, nothing more.
The problem is that the individuals commenting here are so angry at their own personal situations
(Raisin Scone, 21 November 2015 13:40)

the problem here is that some people are ignorant... The laws of war do not say that killing of civilians is always unacceptable. It is the wanton or disproportional targeting of civilians that is unacceptable and is a war crime. It's not that Milosevic and the Serbian military operated in some uninhabited area...

That's why countries should be careful about going to war - Milosevic gambled on that thinking that nobody would do anything serious to stop him, and lost his gamble!

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe
(Sarah, 20 November 2015 21:49)

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe.
(icj1, 21 November 2015 01:28)

Icj1, c3po, r2d2 or whatever your name is,

In an area just shy of 10 million sq km, 1600 to 1800 km would be considered close, closer than most of Western Europe and Southern Europe.
(A galaxy far far away the hague, 22 November 2015 14:34)

Sure... feel free to follow up and educate our dear friend Sarah about maps!

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

That's correct - it was not an apology because there is nothing to apologize for.
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The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Sure, generally speaking that's correct. But, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO did the above.
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To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets"
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Please provide the tape that we should roll to see Clark saying the above.
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This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Well, you have to provide the tape first :)

point of correction

pre 8 godina

(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)
That is your opinion AS a supporter of what has been designated as one of the most heinous regimes on European soil since World War II. How many innocent victims were your supported murderers of the Milosevic regime targeting daily. How many women were raped in the name of the state of Serbia? How many children were murdered in the name of the Orthodox Church. When in Kosovo I went to see the home of Adem Jashari which came under attack by Serb forces, in that massacre 28 women and children were killed by overwhelming Serb forces.
You speak of US/NATO invading a sovereign country as a war crime but the courts are very explicit in the finding that it is YOUR heros that were the war criminals of the Yugoslav wars.
The attack on Serbia was necessary to prevent the largest genocide in Europe in over 50 years. The only shame NATO or Clark has is that it allowed Serbia to survive.
By the way your quote of Wesley Clark is nothing but an outrageous lie perpetuated by those who seek to cover the blood stains of their own hands.
I see no difference in the Serb on the field who knowing killed innocent children and raped defenseless women and those today who still support them.

Even funnier

pre 8 godina

(too funny, 21. novembar 2015 19:31)bring it on. Australia my homeland will crush you tosser.
(John, 23 November 2015 07:22)
Sorry thought you were just an idiotic Serb thumping his chest, did not realize you were an embarassment in two countries.
You need not worry we will not be bombing any homes in Australia, they are the closest allies of NATO that are not NATO members. They support the same causes and ideals that we do. They were also one of the first to recognize Kosovo.
Are you serious about Australia crushing the US or NATO???? Not that it is remote probability it would ever come to play but if it did it would be an impossibility.

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.There is two issues here;One is a unprovoked attack by number of States on sovereign country ,the other one is intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets.Both of them are in violation of UN Charter.The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets" This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Thanks to NATO, Russia has gained more territory in Crimea, and Georgia.
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

According to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians that is a great thing, no, so whatever NATO did to inspire Russia must have been right, too!
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Icj1, your childish intellect and your disrespect for international law
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Please quote where I have disrespected international law, or is the above just a lie! And if rejecting your lies means being "childish", that's OK :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

First the NAZI regime attack Serbia in WWII and the the NATO war dogs in the 90s
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Not sure where is the logical connection between the two!
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now icj1 in the 21st century believes it was justified, when clearly according to international law these acts were criminal
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

You are quoting the wrong person mate. I did not justify any acts in the 21st century!
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so are you really against breaking laws and upholding the perversion of justice and allowing America and its allies to be an exception to international law which was established after world war 2 to prevent the same mistakes from happening again...?
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Again, you are quoting the wrong person. I never said the above!
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You are a worry icj1... people like you have no respect for sovereignty
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

I have no respect for those who think that sovereignty comes with rights only and forget about the responsibilities that come with sovereignty. Sovereignty is not all about doing whatever somebody wants in a country.
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if it can happen to Serbia, it can happen to france or Germany
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Of course, if they behave like Serbia

ida

pre 8 godina

Serbs should not trust NATO and should keep in mind that NATO has more recently been involved in killing civilians in other nations.

Look what it did to Libya, which is now in chaos with Islamic gangs taking over.
The U.S. is also shipping 22,000 bombs to Saudi Arabia for their ongoing attack on Yemen. Which has killed thousands of civilians since March of this year.
I read that over 1,600 children have been killed by Saudi bombers so far.

NATO is a tool of the U.S.

Serbia should stay out of it. There are plenty of neutral countries who are peaceful without NATO.

NATO is an aggressor and the world will be a better place is it ever unravels.

Reader

pre 8 godina

"I read into the statement just fine. I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime."

No, you didn't :). And what helped stop the actions of the regime were the bombs that centered their objectives, not the (few) ones that tragically and regrettably went in the wrong places, starting with the army and air targets, and then the diplomatic pressure and Serbia's isolation. In fact, it is considered one of Nato's most successful missions. They reached their objective (again: the objective was to stop the actions of the regime in Kosovo) with minimal loss of human lives on all sides compared to other wars, like Afghanistan for example.

The Chinese embassy, by admission of the president or prime minister of China at the time, was serving as communication center for the Serbian army. He wrote about this later and there was an article about it on B92 some time ago.

And by the way, you seem a bit confused, NATO did not go to Iraq. It was just Bush and a few others. Not sure if NATO went to Libya either, maybe it did, don't know much about that, so prefer to stay silent :).

think again

pre 8 godina

Balkan propagandest,

I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime. Normally, if the objective is to halt the activities of an regime, one goes after the elements of the regime, not bombing randomly and recklessly all over the
When your cowardly opponents choose to use innocent as shields to their operations, you have to decide to go after them or allow them to win by hiding behind innocent women and children.
I am sure anyone with any intelligence knows the Chinese Embassy was not an accidental target. A warning had to be made to those who allowed their organization to shield the operations of Milosevic.

A galaxy far far away the hague

pre 8 godina

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe.

Icj1, c3po, r2d2 or whatever your name is,

In an area just shy of 10 million sq km, 1600 to 1800 km would be considered close, closer than most of Western Europe and Southern Europe.

ALB-Canada

pre 8 godina

NATO didn't do enough in serbia, it should've kept bombing it for another 78 days and nights. I wish I were one of the NATO pilots, I'm sure I would've done a much better job.

sj

pre 8 godina

NATO humiliated Serbia in 1999 and will do it again if Serbia steps out of line. If Serbs had any self respect they wouldn't be sucking up to NATO secretly hoping to gain membership. Your leaders are hypocrites and are an embarrassment for Serbia. This is another reason why Serbia is held in such contempt by the West and, consequently, will never gain admission to the EU.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 November 2015 15:23)

Well the west paid for the clean-up of the depleted uranium they dropped in Serbia during 1999, but I see you Albos are still held in such high esteem they have not touched southern Kosovo where you bros farm and eat crops form those sites.
PS. the NATO wanker thinks he can suck up to Serbs so they change their ideas about NATO so he apologies. They would never apologise to Albos since they see you as disposable.

Zoz m

pre 8 godina

Cannot believe how tough the Albanians and Croats are tough on this issue. Your armies were crushed by Serb forces during the Balkan wars and then Tudjman, Izet and Thaci were like little kids crying for mummy to help them. Nato had to come and fight your losing battles just like Germany entered WW1 to save Austrian Hungry forces getting whipped by Serbia. Dont forget how the Russians whipped the Nazis in Stalingrad which included facists Hungarains, Croats, Italians,Albanians etc.

guest

pre 8 godina

There is no compelling need to join NATO
Who care if you are surrounded by NATO countries?
They cant do anything about if you don't join.

They need you for transit.
Set your price.
Get the benefit, but don't carry any burden

If they don't like it, tell them to go Fu$k themselves
Nothing they can do about it.
if they want transit, make them pay a fee each time.

You dont need Russia either

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

You need to read and understand better what you yourself quote BA. He didn't talk about "the fate of the Milosevic regime", he talked about "stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime". And that happened.
(Reader, 20 November 2015 17:40)

I read into the statement just fine. I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime. Normally, if the objective is to halt the activities of an regime, one goes after the elements of the regime, not bombing randomly and recklessly all over the place while said regime steps up its activities in Kosovo. NATO has an appalling track record of shooting everyone and everything and then taking credit victories that are as devoid of meaning as they are hollow of action. NATO has an equally appalling track record of wasting time patting itself on its back for an imagined victory while people on the ground use the opportunity to take vengeance into their own hands and target people unaffiliated with the previous regime, as we've seen in Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, and very soon Syria. That they "regret" civilian victims more than 15 years later is a pathetic attempt at covering up their past actions.

too funny

pre 8 godina

Liars....i spit on every nato member and lover of north American Terrorist organization
(John, 21 November 2015 12:14)
And we drop bombs on your house,lol
Maybe we should change from NATO to Orkin, as we specialize in ridding the world of vermin.

just a note

pre 8 godina

To hell with nato to hell with vucic to hell EU hello rusia;)CRNFW5
(Nikola, 21 November 2015 02:03
We wish you great adventures on your journey to a new life in Rusia, Be well!

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Zoran: When you say that Slovenia was forced into NATO and that it had no choice because its EU membership was tied to the former, you make two mistakes. Firstly, there were two separate referenda for membership of the different organisations in 2003 and Slovenia had been invited to join NATO by that organisation not forced to do so by the EU. Secondly, even if the two had indeed been linked, there is always a choice although like all choices there is usually a sacrifice to be made. I hope Serbia thinks very carefully about EU membership and the sacrifices that the accession process will entail for the population at large. As for NATO and Serbia, they do not need each other and I can see no justifiable reason for Serbia to either be asked to join or accept any invitation.

Drymades

pre 8 godina

Oh la la, icj1, the European University of Tetovo alumna hits again. How many articles has Macedonia's Constitution, icj1? And what does 'ratification' mean, what does it stand for? It's a basic legal term, icj1 ;)

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I have some conclusions about all people from this website and about all what happened .

1) Without a doubt Albanians are primitive people + they try to look as they are civilisated in this website but if they would had a posibility THEY WOULD PLACE A BOMB IN CENTER OF BELGRADE

2) I am happy that Serbia have MUSLIM neigbours that means soon or later the Serbian infrastructure will be demaged by MUSLIMS

3) I am happy that Serbia was destroyed by NATO and WEST because Serbs have good individuals and they are the most dangerous country from region in the sense of possible development

4) We have here a sentence about ALBANIA => " What Albania ? Albania never existed "

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

There sure are some unintelligent comments here. Collateral damage is never acceptable. Even in the case of Nazi Germany, the carpet bombing of civilian locations was criminal, as was the dropping of the Atomic bombs on civilian targets. If the target was Milosevic, then he alone and the military should have been the target, nothing more.
The problem is that the individuals commenting here are so angry at their own personal situations that you keep on displacing your anger on the other. The first step is to look at yourself and blame yourselves for the mess you are in. If you are poor or cannot afford to live the lifestyle you wish you could live, it's nobody's fault but your own. Instead, though, you want to blame Serbs or Albanians. Blame yourself. I earned my status through hard work. Do the same and stop blaming others. It will make you happier.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 November 2015 14:05)
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Does this 100,000 include all the people killed by Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians?

aston68

pre 8 godina

Oh, it "regrets civilian victims"... That would be about the entire population of Serbia, from the strongest, surviving with just minor PTSD, to the ones murdered. Many more have been dying from leukemias and other cancers in any given year between 1999 and today, than those who died as a direct result of explosions in 1999.
Freedom-of-the-press-defending NATO, bombing RTS; human-rights-defending NATO, bombing bridges not used by the military, schools and hospitals; international-order-respecting NATO, using banned ammunition and bombing foreign embassies... Murdering the nation, absorbing the best of it into their societies without paying a penny for their education, raping the rest into the guilt complex, depression and the slavish low-wage work for their companies. Glad your childhood in Belgrade was such a happy one, little Jens. Those must have been some other, non-evil Serbs providing you with the good memories back then, right?

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe
(Sarah, 20 November 2015 21:49)

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe. Second, Serbia and Russia might decide whatever they want, but whether any Russian soldier and/or military equipment arrives in Serbia is decided by NATO or Montenegro since they will have to pass via NATO or Montenegro territory or airspace. It's 2015, dear, and it's not that hard to find a map!

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

@ICJ1....

We have a challenger... icj1.... your just as bad as those nazi war criminals.

First the NAZI regime attack Serbia in WWII and the the NATO war dogs in the 90s... now icj1 in the 21st century believes it was justified, when clearly according to international law these acts were criminal... so are you really against breaking laws and upholding the perversion of justice and allowing America and its allies to be an exception to international law which was established after world war 2 to prevent the same mistakes from happening again...?

You are a worry icj1... people like you have no respect for sovereignty, which is why one day sovereignty will not exist, because of people like you and when that day comes, it will be your country of residence which will be violated by a foreign country and you will submit to a greater power... if it can happen to Serbia, it can happen to france or Germany, such is the case during WWII...

Icj1, your belief that NATO done the right thing has caused a domino effect which is causing instability throughout the world. Thanks to NATO, Russia has gained more territory in Crimea, and Georgia. Thanks to NATO, Libya is a failed state and ISIS terrorizes north africa through to the middle east.

Icj1, your childish intellect and your disrespect for international law has created a system where sovereignty can be challenged when a country tries to save itself from being terrorized from jihadist militias as in the case of kosovo.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Serbia and the situation in KiM was relatively calm until NATO started bombing. Only then did hell break loose. NATO spreads death, destruction and instability while supporting terrorists.
(Zoran, 20 November 2015 22:10)

You might want to find a dictionary and check the difference between "causation" and "correlation". Just because A and B happen at the same time, does not mean that A caused B or viceversa.

On the causation side though, according to the UN, it was not NATO that caused the population of Kosovo to have to leave their homes.

too funny

pre 8 godina

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)
The all powerful OZ has spoken!! But if you remember the movie. When the dog pulled back the curtain found out that OZ had no powers.
Your children and your children's children will hopefully be more intelligent than to support a monstrous regime that caused thousands of deaths.

There will never be money paid for war reparations UNLESS it is by Serbia to those they brutalized.
So go to your grave fighting for something that will not happen nor should it.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

forget about American propaganda....nobody cares what America says are their old aging grandpa nato friends lol besides Albanians and isis hehehe
(america and nato are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:20)

Has mommy been putting Rakija in your milk again to make the Boogeyman go away.

Zoran

pre 8 godina

Just a few corrections, Slovenia was forced into NATO. Its EU membership was tied to NATO membership so there was no choice there. NATO is a joint criminal enterprise that is continuing where the NAZIs left. On the agenda is world domination.

The cowards deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure and caused thousands of civilian deaths, for which they have absolutely no sympathy. They just want Serbia to join this death machine and are playing nice guys. However, everyone should know the dangers of playing with the devil.

Serbia and the situation in KiM was relatively calm until NATO started bombing. Only then did hell break loose. NATO spreads death, destruction and instability while supporting terrorists.

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

You reap what you sow. Serbia had it coming. I do feel bad for collateral damage on property and people but I dont understand how serbians are mad at Nato. After all it was their politics that got them in to the mess. The world watched Serbia attack Slovenia, they watched Serbia attach Croatia, they even watched when 7000+ where killed during the genocide in Srebrenica. Its a miracle the world waited until the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo to intervene like they did.

Say what you want, play victim how much you want but at least honor your dead and accept the truth. Its this nationalistic propaganda that got you into 4 wars and its this inhuman worldview that got your own people killed. No. Its not NATOS fault. Its your fault. Every dead Serb is your fault. Deep inside, you know its true. No matter how loud you bark, we all know that you wont bite anymore.

Sarah

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe and the first step backing from your policy is to regret , then to apologize , and then what? Just becaming very interesting to follow how providence interferes , don't you think ?

Danilo

pre 8 godina

What sort of mental gymnastics does it take to ignore the fact that Serbia created a police state in one of its provinces for TEN YEARS and pretend that Serbia was an innocent bystander.

Can you do it your whole life? I guess some people can.

icj1

pre 8 godina

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Good luck... the above is a great example of the contribution of myths to brainwashing and the impact on somebody's brain
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Also Germnay owes my family money for WWII reperations which we never received.!
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Too late for that - it's a settled matter.
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NATO are similar to NAZI.... A Criminal war group.
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Yes, according to a certain "Nicola Novakovic"!

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ stan

Exactly the real genocide was committed on Serbs. That radiation practically lasts forever. One way is to dig out and get rid of the soil but who knows how deep it penetrated by now. Some say the reason why summers became so hot in the region after 99 was due to radiation being warmed up by the sun.

icj1

pre 8 godina

He regrets loss of life of innocent Serbs... Ok, pay war reperations to the families and to Serbia.
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

"Regret" is different from "apologize"... If you are driving at night in a highway (observing all traffic laws) and somebody jumps in front of your car, you are going to regret you killed that person, but there is nothing for you to apologize or pay compensation for.
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What NATO can not do is change history... They are criminals for attacking a sovereign nation and killing Innocent Serbs...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

That's true, NATO does not need to change history. And, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO committed war crimes (note that just because somebody was killed, does not make it a war crime) during the bombing campaign.
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We were fighting KLA jihadist terrorists and NATO came to save them and bomb the Serbs... How disgusting...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Well, not sure womes and children were "KLA jihadist terrorits" and according to the UN, those who were commanding the Serbian forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo... so, yes, that's disgusting and NATO stopped something that was disgusting.
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Imagine if Russia bombed France for fighting the jihadist terrorists in Paris...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Can you explain the logic?!

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

"The Death of Slobodan Miloseivic was NATO's responsibility, Christopher Black"


The trial was necessary from NATO’s point of view in order to justify the aggression against Yugoslavia and the putsch by the DOS forces in Belgrade supported by NATO, by which democracy in Yugoslavia was finally destroyed and Serbia reduced to a NATO protectorate under a Quisling regime. His illegal arrest, by NATO forces in Belgrade, his illegal detention in Belgrade Central Prison, his illegal rendition to the former Gestapo prison at Scheveningen, near The Hague, and the show trial that followed, were all part of the drama played out for the world public, and it could only have one of two endings, the conviction, or the death, of President Milosevic.http://www.beoforum.rs/en/comments-belgrade-forum-for-the-world-of-equals/410-the-death-of-milosevic-and-nato-responsibility-by-christopher-black.html

america and nato are a joke

pre 8 godina

America and nato are trying to kiss everyone's you know what....they are nothing in the world today and they know it.....they are weak and never were strong they never won a war in their histories and still losing today.....Serbia, Montenegro should never join their old aging nato team which is nothing and falling apart ....Americas only war they won was japan in their history and that was murdering civilians so that don't count........and as for nato they are doing nothing.....as we see in Syria its the russkies that are demolishing American allies isis....now the new world is here and that is Russia ,china ,india and the rest of the brics and their allies world wide and is growing fast....don't be suckered in this story.....the NWO is here.......forget about American propaganda....nobody cares what America says are their old aging grandpa nato friends lol besides Albanians and isis hehehe

Roger7

pre 8 godina

Accidents and mistakes do happen. No civilian death by NATO was deliberate.
(Bob, 20 November 2015 15:33)

The typical self-righteous attitude that is so prevalent and harmful coming from the west. A myth.

http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/u-s-media-overlook-expose-on-chinese-embassy-bombing/

The bombing of the Chinese embassy, admittedly developed by the CIA, was intentional.

Stan

pre 8 godina

When are they going to clean up uranium and cluster bombs and clean the water? They should be embarrassed of themselves. All that on another false pretext. Genocide of Albanians? Give me a break.

Reader

pre 8 godina

"Our intervention in 1999 was not against the Serbian people, it was about stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime."

I didn't know the fate of the Milosevic regime was tied into hospitals, nurseries, bridges, passenger trains, the Chinese embassy, various homes, and news headquarters. I would have thought more military installations and other instruments of war that stepped up their campaign the moment NATO started to bomb soft target.

Silly NATO and its pathetic attempts at apologizing.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 November 2015 16:02)

You need to read and understand better what you yourself quote BA. He didn't talk about "the fate of the Milosevic regime", he talked about "stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime". And that happened. Very successfully, the murderous Serb forces were driven out of Kosovo. As to the fate of the Milosevic regime, it was up to Serbs to deal with it. And that happened too, a few months later. Very successfully and relatively peacefully.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Thank You NATO for bombing Serbia because they had a better level of life than Romania and nowdays Serbia would had been richer than Romania + in Union European getting European Founds

Thank you Usa , Thank You Germany , Thank You United Kingdom

Bravo Russia and Ukraine for fight each other

I hope in new wars Serbia vs Croatia or against Kosovo and stuff

GOD BLESS THIS ALIANCE WHO HAD PUT SERBIA UNDER ROMANIA


When i see in YOUTUBE how SERBIA was BOMBED i fell so BIG PLEASURE is so nice to see how someone who lived much better fall down

Azir

pre 8 godina

Greater Serbia Camp-Pain intentionally targeted civilians in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova whereas NATO collateral damage Of Serb Perpetrators of Genocide ,War Crimes and is no comparison.

heroicdefeat1389

pre 8 godina

Got to love how Vucic wants to be the good little chetnik so bad. You said that hundred muslims would die for every serb yet you refuse to take any kind of responsibility for what happened.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

"Our intervention in 1999 was not against the Serbian people, it was about stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime."

I didn't know the fate of the Milosevic regime was tied into hospitals, nurseries, bridges, passenger trains, the Chinese embassy, various homes, and news headquarters. I would have thought more military installations and other instruments of war that stepped up their campaign the moment NATO started to bomb soft target.

Silly NATO and its pathetic attempts at apologizing.

Nikola

pre 8 godina

I wonder what would have happened if Serbia had more formidable air defense?
The fact is NATO will never attack any country with actual capability to defend itself from air raids. Serbs would have more success repelling ground invasion than defending from air attacks.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I would like to know from where Albanians from this website had money money for buy a computer at second hand and a monitor ?

Serbs have good individuals even if they are extremly nationalist , Romanians are united and help each other but Albanian parasites from where get a computer + a monitor + an internet connection ? + Albania is more poor than Serbia and Romania

I wish Kosovo would had won Unesco war , it would been a big humilation for nationalist Serbs .

TODOR MUSAKA and you are HUMBLE as AFRICANS but if you had a power you would plant a bomb in center of Beograd

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

NATO humiliated Serbia in 1999 and will do it again if Serbia steps out of line. If Serbs had any self respect they wouldn't be sucking up to NATO secretly hoping to gain membership. Your leaders are hypocrites and are an embarrassment for Serbia. This is another reason why Serbia is held in such contempt by the West and, consequently, will never gain admission to the EU.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Nazi Alliance Terrorist Organization Sorry? On March 23, 1999 Satan lit the fuse to the begining of the end of the world as we living today know and remember it! What did the Devil accomplish by savagely and severely bombing Christian Eastern Orthodxy in the Balkans for 78 day? Serbian Holy land Kosovo not occupied by Islam, occupied by Satan! Kosovo and Srpska Krajina were Serbian Eastern Orthodox Christians lived on their lands and in their homes for ages stolen by the Devil him self! Milosevic needed to be removed, just like all the other leaders of countries and nations who were murdered by the USA so that the population be raped and murdered by Satan! Good old USA, what would we Christian Eastern Orthodox people do with out you? Just look and see how happy Serbia is compared to a quarter century ago, we Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavic people are so happy with this new world order the USA is imposing on all nations in the world! So according to the USA, England, Germany, International Community the murder of Serbia justified, Eastern Orthodox Christians deserve death? Why do Serbian politicians continue to entertain Satan? Any Christian Eastern Orthodox Slav any where in the world must never forget the tears and blood that was spilled by Satan upon our race! How can we Serbian people ever move ahead when we permit the Devil to wrap his filty hands around our necks? Serbia must NEVER forgive or forget what happened during 1999, with our blood and tears we curse !!!

Greetings from the neighbourhood

pre 8 godina

We have no hostilities and Serbia does not want to make enemies out of friends, and we were in one period experts for these things. Although I do not think that Serbia was to blame for what happened in 1999 in any way, not even her leadership, but these are our different assessments of the past," "said Vucic.
This is whom you're embracing in European family today, and punishing Kosovo instead!!! Shame on you !!!
Who the hell was the perpetrator and who was the victim?! More than 20000 women raped, over 15000 murdered (elderly, children and women), over 10000 houeses burned to the ground, 0ver 250 non ortodox cristian sites wiped from the ground, and almost 1 milion expelled from their houses and from Kosovo....what are we talking here you god damn hipocrits. YOU and all the commentators who think differently and have absolutely no brain to think with their own head, but pitfall on still living Milosevic poirpapganda!!!!

Bob

pre 8 godina

Accidents and mistakes do happen. No civilian death by NATO was deliberate.

WHEREAS the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo, with Milosevic's version of Serbian supremacy behind it, included dishonourable cold blooded MURDER and was deliberate, persistent, and was highly unacceptable to the people in the NATO countries who wanted the Balkan wars stopped.

That's why NATO bombed. To stop murder in the name of nationalism continuing.

What's more, it worked.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 November 2015 14:05)

No, but it was both sides that caused it. You can admire Alija Izetbegovic and Franjo Tudjman all you'd like, but the Serbs living under these governments were in legitimate fear for their lives. If you are a Serb, then very likely Sonja Biserko or Natasa Kandic pays you to say such things to justify NATO aggression. And we in turn know who pays them.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

NATO secretary general spend his childhood in beograde...But thats when it was yugoslavia...

He regrets loss of life of innocent Serbs... Ok, pay war reperations to the families and to Serbia.

What NATO can not do is change history... They are criminals for attacking a sovereign nation and killing Innocent Serbs... We were fighting KLA jihadist terrorists and NATO came to save them and bomb the Serbs... How disgusting...

Imagine if Russia bombed France for fighting the jihadist terrorists in Paris...

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays... Also Germnay owes my family money for WWII reperations which we never received.!

NATO are similar to NAZI.... A Criminal war group... Last time foreigners came to the balkans and caused war they came as NATO, the time before that they came as NAZI's....

Hrvatski

pre 8 godina

Notice, he is talking about all victims on all sides, so this wasn't just about Serbs, who he still blames for causing NATO to intervene lol. Reading comprehension is necessary for you guy.
Secodnly, he said milosevic actions were unacceptable, meaning they still stand by their decision when they bombed serbia, and would do it again if they are faced with these challenges.
Basically, he is telling Serbs to join in NATO, or do not try to attack your neighbors because we're still here and we're ready.

Croatia!!!

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

He stated,it was not against the Serbian people or population, but against Milosevic and his army.Then WHY?,bomb school's,Old age homes( pensioners), water supply's for people/ population, Electricity grid's for people/ population, bridge's (in VARVARIN town) when a public trains with the people/ population was travelling on when it was hit!.Hospital's in Nis ,Belgrade where targeted and hit,where the people/ population use.etc,etc.
This story by him is bullshit.
The military was the least hit by the bomb's.
The Serbian people/ population where hit and target the most.
Now we should welcome NATO,thank but NO thanks,F-CK OFF to NATO's lies.
That's to all for the NON military people, oh ya NATO call it collateral damage! Again F- CK NATO and your opinion on your saying COLLATERAL DAMAGE,when I lost a niece and auntie due to COLLATERAL DAMAGE, insulate to human kind !

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Although I do not think that Serbia was to blame for what happened in 1999 in any way, not even her leadership, but these are our different assessments of the past," "said Vucic.

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.

Joe A

pre 8 godina

Albright also spent part of her childhood in Serbia.
If he feels sorry he should lay flowers at the various monuments for the victims for the campaign.
NATO thought they would need 48 but they needed 78 days. In order to win the campaign and/or avoiding an invasion over land they resorted to bombing civilian targets and infrastructure. That is a war crime.

The illegal NATO campaign (not sanctioned by UNSC) was a test case to be repeated in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria with devastating effects there. It led to the current refugee/migrant crisis and to the IS attacks in Europe.

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

He stated,it was not against the Serbian people or population, but against Milosevic and his army.Then WHY?,bomb school's,Old age homes( pensioners), water supply's for people/ population, Electricity grid's for people/ population, bridge's (in VARVARIN town) when a public trains with the people/ population was travelling on when it was hit!.Hospital's in Nis ,Belgrade where targeted and hit,where the people/ population use.etc,etc.
This story by him is bullshit.
The military was the least hit by the bomb's.
The Serbian people/ population where hit and target the most.
Now we should welcome NATO,thank but NO thanks,F-CK OFF to NATO's lies.
That's to all for the NON military people, oh ya NATO call it collateral damage! Again F- CK NATO and your opinion on your saying COLLATERAL DAMAGE,when I lost a niece and auntie due to COLLATERAL DAMAGE, insulate to human kind !

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

"Our intervention in 1999 was not against the Serbian people, it was about stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime."

I didn't know the fate of the Milosevic regime was tied into hospitals, nurseries, bridges, passenger trains, the Chinese embassy, various homes, and news headquarters. I would have thought more military installations and other instruments of war that stepped up their campaign the moment NATO started to bomb soft target.

Silly NATO and its pathetic attempts at apologizing.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 November 2015 14:05)

No, but it was both sides that caused it. You can admire Alija Izetbegovic and Franjo Tudjman all you'd like, but the Serbs living under these governments were in legitimate fear for their lives. If you are a Serb, then very likely Sonja Biserko or Natasa Kandic pays you to say such things to justify NATO aggression. And we in turn know who pays them.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

NATO secretary general spend his childhood in beograde...But thats when it was yugoslavia...

He regrets loss of life of innocent Serbs... Ok, pay war reperations to the families and to Serbia.

What NATO can not do is change history... They are criminals for attacking a sovereign nation and killing Innocent Serbs... We were fighting KLA jihadist terrorists and NATO came to save them and bomb the Serbs... How disgusting...

Imagine if Russia bombed France for fighting the jihadist terrorists in Paris...

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays... Also Germnay owes my family money for WWII reperations which we never received.!

NATO are similar to NAZI.... A Criminal war group... Last time foreigners came to the balkans and caused war they came as NATO, the time before that they came as NAZI's....

Zoran

pre 8 godina

Just a few corrections, Slovenia was forced into NATO. Its EU membership was tied to NATO membership so there was no choice there. NATO is a joint criminal enterprise that is continuing where the NAZIs left. On the agenda is world domination.

The cowards deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure and caused thousands of civilian deaths, for which they have absolutely no sympathy. They just want Serbia to join this death machine and are playing nice guys. However, everyone should know the dangers of playing with the devil.

Serbia and the situation in KiM was relatively calm until NATO started bombing. Only then did hell break loose. NATO spreads death, destruction and instability while supporting terrorists.

Joe A

pre 8 godina

Albright also spent part of her childhood in Serbia.
If he feels sorry he should lay flowers at the various monuments for the victims for the campaign.
NATO thought they would need 48 but they needed 78 days. In order to win the campaign and/or avoiding an invasion over land they resorted to bombing civilian targets and infrastructure. That is a war crime.

The illegal NATO campaign (not sanctioned by UNSC) was a test case to be repeated in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria with devastating effects there. It led to the current refugee/migrant crisis and to the IS attacks in Europe.

Nikola

pre 8 godina

I wonder what would have happened if Serbia had more formidable air defense?
The fact is NATO will never attack any country with actual capability to defend itself from air raids. Serbs would have more success repelling ground invasion than defending from air attacks.

Sarah

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe and the first step backing from your policy is to regret , then to apologize , and then what? Just becaming very interesting to follow how providence interferes , don't you think ?

Stan

pre 8 godina

When are they going to clean up uranium and cluster bombs and clean the water? They should be embarrassed of themselves. All that on another false pretext. Genocide of Albanians? Give me a break.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Nazi Alliance Terrorist Organization Sorry? On March 23, 1999 Satan lit the fuse to the begining of the end of the world as we living today know and remember it! What did the Devil accomplish by savagely and severely bombing Christian Eastern Orthodxy in the Balkans for 78 day? Serbian Holy land Kosovo not occupied by Islam, occupied by Satan! Kosovo and Srpska Krajina were Serbian Eastern Orthodox Christians lived on their lands and in their homes for ages stolen by the Devil him self! Milosevic needed to be removed, just like all the other leaders of countries and nations who were murdered by the USA so that the population be raped and murdered by Satan! Good old USA, what would we Christian Eastern Orthodox people do with out you? Just look and see how happy Serbia is compared to a quarter century ago, we Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavic people are so happy with this new world order the USA is imposing on all nations in the world! So according to the USA, England, Germany, International Community the murder of Serbia justified, Eastern Orthodox Christians deserve death? Why do Serbian politicians continue to entertain Satan? Any Christian Eastern Orthodox Slav any where in the world must never forget the tears and blood that was spilled by Satan upon our race! How can we Serbian people ever move ahead when we permit the Devil to wrap his filty hands around our necks? Serbia must NEVER forgive or forget what happened during 1999, with our blood and tears we curse !!!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Although I do not think that Serbia was to blame for what happened in 1999 in any way, not even her leadership, but these are our different assessments of the past," "said Vucic.

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

"The Death of Slobodan Miloseivic was NATO's responsibility, Christopher Black"


The trial was necessary from NATO’s point of view in order to justify the aggression against Yugoslavia and the putsch by the DOS forces in Belgrade supported by NATO, by which democracy in Yugoslavia was finally destroyed and Serbia reduced to a NATO protectorate under a Quisling regime. His illegal arrest, by NATO forces in Belgrade, his illegal detention in Belgrade Central Prison, his illegal rendition to the former Gestapo prison at Scheveningen, near The Hague, and the show trial that followed, were all part of the drama played out for the world public, and it could only have one of two endings, the conviction, or the death, of President Milosevic.http://www.beoforum.rs/en/comments-belgrade-forum-for-the-world-of-equals/410-the-death-of-milosevic-and-nato-responsibility-by-christopher-black.html

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ stan

Exactly the real genocide was committed on Serbs. That radiation practically lasts forever. One way is to dig out and get rid of the soil but who knows how deep it penetrated by now. Some say the reason why summers became so hot in the region after 99 was due to radiation being warmed up by the sun.

Hrvatski

pre 8 godina

Notice, he is talking about all victims on all sides, so this wasn't just about Serbs, who he still blames for causing NATO to intervene lol. Reading comprehension is necessary for you guy.
Secodnly, he said milosevic actions were unacceptable, meaning they still stand by their decision when they bombed serbia, and would do it again if they are faced with these challenges.
Basically, he is telling Serbs to join in NATO, or do not try to attack your neighbors because we're still here and we're ready.

Croatia!!!

Roger7

pre 8 godina

Accidents and mistakes do happen. No civilian death by NATO was deliberate.
(Bob, 20 November 2015 15:33)

The typical self-righteous attitude that is so prevalent and harmful coming from the west. A myth.

http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/u-s-media-overlook-expose-on-chinese-embassy-bombing/

The bombing of the Chinese embassy, admittedly developed by the CIA, was intentional.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 November 2015 14:05)
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Does this 100,000 include all the people killed by Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians?

america and nato are a joke

pre 8 godina

America and nato are trying to kiss everyone's you know what....they are nothing in the world today and they know it.....they are weak and never were strong they never won a war in their histories and still losing today.....Serbia, Montenegro should never join their old aging nato team which is nothing and falling apart ....Americas only war they won was japan in their history and that was murdering civilians so that don't count........and as for nato they are doing nothing.....as we see in Syria its the russkies that are demolishing American allies isis....now the new world is here and that is Russia ,china ,india and the rest of the brics and their allies world wide and is growing fast....don't be suckered in this story.....the NWO is here.......forget about American propaganda....nobody cares what America says are their old aging grandpa nato friends lol besides Albanians and isis hehehe

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

You reap what you sow. Serbia had it coming. I do feel bad for collateral damage on property and people but I dont understand how serbians are mad at Nato. After all it was their politics that got them in to the mess. The world watched Serbia attack Slovenia, they watched Serbia attach Croatia, they even watched when 7000+ where killed during the genocide in Srebrenica. Its a miracle the world waited until the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo to intervene like they did.

Say what you want, play victim how much you want but at least honor your dead and accept the truth. Its this nationalistic propaganda that got you into 4 wars and its this inhuman worldview that got your own people killed. No. Its not NATOS fault. Its your fault. Every dead Serb is your fault. Deep inside, you know its true. No matter how loud you bark, we all know that you wont bite anymore.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

@ICJ1....

We have a challenger... icj1.... your just as bad as those nazi war criminals.

First the NAZI regime attack Serbia in WWII and the the NATO war dogs in the 90s... now icj1 in the 21st century believes it was justified, when clearly according to international law these acts were criminal... so are you really against breaking laws and upholding the perversion of justice and allowing America and its allies to be an exception to international law which was established after world war 2 to prevent the same mistakes from happening again...?

You are a worry icj1... people like you have no respect for sovereignty, which is why one day sovereignty will not exist, because of people like you and when that day comes, it will be your country of residence which will be violated by a foreign country and you will submit to a greater power... if it can happen to Serbia, it can happen to france or Germany, such is the case during WWII...

Icj1, your belief that NATO done the right thing has caused a domino effect which is causing instability throughout the world. Thanks to NATO, Russia has gained more territory in Crimea, and Georgia. Thanks to NATO, Libya is a failed state and ISIS terrorizes north africa through to the middle east.

Icj1, your childish intellect and your disrespect for international law has created a system where sovereignty can be challenged when a country tries to save itself from being terrorized from jihadist militias as in the case of kosovo.

Zoz m

pre 8 godina

Cannot believe how tough the Albanians and Croats are tough on this issue. Your armies were crushed by Serb forces during the Balkan wars and then Tudjman, Izet and Thaci were like little kids crying for mummy to help them. Nato had to come and fight your losing battles just like Germany entered WW1 to save Austrian Hungry forces getting whipped by Serbia. Dont forget how the Russians whipped the Nazis in Stalingrad which included facists Hungarains, Croats, Italians,Albanians etc.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

forget about American propaganda....nobody cares what America says are their old aging grandpa nato friends lol besides Albanians and isis hehehe
(america and nato are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:20)

Has mommy been putting Rakija in your milk again to make the Boogeyman go away.

sj

pre 8 godina

NATO humiliated Serbia in 1999 and will do it again if Serbia steps out of line. If Serbs had any self respect they wouldn't be sucking up to NATO secretly hoping to gain membership. Your leaders are hypocrites and are an embarrassment for Serbia. This is another reason why Serbia is held in such contempt by the West and, consequently, will never gain admission to the EU.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 November 2015 15:23)

Well the west paid for the clean-up of the depleted uranium they dropped in Serbia during 1999, but I see you Albos are still held in such high esteem they have not touched southern Kosovo where you bros farm and eat crops form those sites.
PS. the NATO wanker thinks he can suck up to Serbs so they change their ideas about NATO so he apologies. They would never apologise to Albos since they see you as disposable.

Greetings from the neighbourhood

pre 8 godina

We have no hostilities and Serbia does not want to make enemies out of friends, and we were in one period experts for these things. Although I do not think that Serbia was to blame for what happened in 1999 in any way, not even her leadership, but these are our different assessments of the past," "said Vucic.
This is whom you're embracing in European family today, and punishing Kosovo instead!!! Shame on you !!!
Who the hell was the perpetrator and who was the victim?! More than 20000 women raped, over 15000 murdered (elderly, children and women), over 10000 houeses burned to the ground, 0ver 250 non ortodox cristian sites wiped from the ground, and almost 1 milion expelled from their houses and from Kosovo....what are we talking here you god damn hipocrits. YOU and all the commentators who think differently and have absolutely no brain to think with their own head, but pitfall on still living Milosevic poirpapganda!!!!

aston68

pre 8 godina

Oh, it "regrets civilian victims"... That would be about the entire population of Serbia, from the strongest, surviving with just minor PTSD, to the ones murdered. Many more have been dying from leukemias and other cancers in any given year between 1999 and today, than those who died as a direct result of explosions in 1999.
Freedom-of-the-press-defending NATO, bombing RTS; human-rights-defending NATO, bombing bridges not used by the military, schools and hospitals; international-order-respecting NATO, using banned ammunition and bombing foreign embassies... Murdering the nation, absorbing the best of it into their societies without paying a penny for their education, raping the rest into the guilt complex, depression and the slavish low-wage work for their companies. Glad your childhood in Belgrade was such a happy one, little Jens. Those must have been some other, non-evil Serbs providing you with the good memories back then, right?

Bob

pre 8 godina

Accidents and mistakes do happen. No civilian death by NATO was deliberate.

WHEREAS the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo, with Milosevic's version of Serbian supremacy behind it, included dishonourable cold blooded MURDER and was deliberate, persistent, and was highly unacceptable to the people in the NATO countries who wanted the Balkan wars stopped.

That's why NATO bombed. To stop murder in the name of nationalism continuing.

What's more, it worked.

icj1

pre 8 godina

He regrets loss of life of innocent Serbs... Ok, pay war reperations to the families and to Serbia.
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

"Regret" is different from "apologize"... If you are driving at night in a highway (observing all traffic laws) and somebody jumps in front of your car, you are going to regret you killed that person, but there is nothing for you to apologize or pay compensation for.
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What NATO can not do is change history... They are criminals for attacking a sovereign nation and killing Innocent Serbs...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

That's true, NATO does not need to change history. And, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO committed war crimes (note that just because somebody was killed, does not make it a war crime) during the bombing campaign.
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We were fighting KLA jihadist terrorists and NATO came to save them and bomb the Serbs... How disgusting...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Well, not sure womes and children were "KLA jihadist terrorits" and according to the UN, those who were commanding the Serbian forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo... so, yes, that's disgusting and NATO stopped something that was disgusting.
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Imagine if Russia bombed France for fighting the jihadist terrorists in Paris...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Can you explain the logic?!

icj1

pre 8 godina

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Good luck... the above is a great example of the contribution of myths to brainwashing and the impact on somebody's brain
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Also Germnay owes my family money for WWII reperations which we never received.!
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Too late for that - it's a settled matter.
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NATO are similar to NAZI.... A Criminal war group.
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Yes, according to a certain "Nicola Novakovic"!

Danilo

pre 8 godina

What sort of mental gymnastics does it take to ignore the fact that Serbia created a police state in one of its provinces for TEN YEARS and pretend that Serbia was an innocent bystander.

Can you do it your whole life? I guess some people can.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

You need to read and understand better what you yourself quote BA. He didn't talk about "the fate of the Milosevic regime", he talked about "stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime". And that happened.
(Reader, 20 November 2015 17:40)

I read into the statement just fine. I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime. Normally, if the objective is to halt the activities of an regime, one goes after the elements of the regime, not bombing randomly and recklessly all over the place while said regime steps up its activities in Kosovo. NATO has an appalling track record of shooting everyone and everything and then taking credit victories that are as devoid of meaning as they are hollow of action. NATO has an equally appalling track record of wasting time patting itself on its back for an imagined victory while people on the ground use the opportunity to take vengeance into their own hands and target people unaffiliated with the previous regime, as we've seen in Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, and very soon Syria. That they "regret" civilian victims more than 15 years later is a pathetic attempt at covering up their past actions.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

NATO humiliated Serbia in 1999 and will do it again if Serbia steps out of line. If Serbs had any self respect they wouldn't be sucking up to NATO secretly hoping to gain membership. Your leaders are hypocrites and are an embarrassment for Serbia. This is another reason why Serbia is held in such contempt by the West and, consequently, will never gain admission to the EU.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe
(Sarah, 20 November 2015 21:49)

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe. Second, Serbia and Russia might decide whatever they want, but whether any Russian soldier and/or military equipment arrives in Serbia is decided by NATO or Montenegro since they will have to pass via NATO or Montenegro territory or airspace. It's 2015, dear, and it's not that hard to find a map!

too funny

pre 8 godina

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)
The all powerful OZ has spoken!! But if you remember the movie. When the dog pulled back the curtain found out that OZ had no powers.
Your children and your children's children will hopefully be more intelligent than to support a monstrous regime that caused thousands of deaths.

There will never be money paid for war reparations UNLESS it is by Serbia to those they brutalized.
So go to your grave fighting for something that will not happen nor should it.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Serbia and the situation in KiM was relatively calm until NATO started bombing. Only then did hell break loose. NATO spreads death, destruction and instability while supporting terrorists.
(Zoran, 20 November 2015 22:10)

You might want to find a dictionary and check the difference between "causation" and "correlation". Just because A and B happen at the same time, does not mean that A caused B or viceversa.

On the causation side though, according to the UN, it was not NATO that caused the population of Kosovo to have to leave their homes.

just a note

pre 8 godina

To hell with nato to hell with vucic to hell EU hello rusia;)CRNFW5
(Nikola, 21 November 2015 02:03
We wish you great adventures on your journey to a new life in Rusia, Be well!

heroicdefeat1389

pre 8 godina

Got to love how Vucic wants to be the good little chetnik so bad. You said that hundred muslims would die for every serb yet you refuse to take any kind of responsibility for what happened.

Reader

pre 8 godina

"Our intervention in 1999 was not against the Serbian people, it was about stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime."

I didn't know the fate of the Milosevic regime was tied into hospitals, nurseries, bridges, passenger trains, the Chinese embassy, various homes, and news headquarters. I would have thought more military installations and other instruments of war that stepped up their campaign the moment NATO started to bomb soft target.

Silly NATO and its pathetic attempts at apologizing.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 November 2015 16:02)

You need to read and understand better what you yourself quote BA. He didn't talk about "the fate of the Milosevic regime", he talked about "stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime". And that happened. Very successfully, the murderous Serb forces were driven out of Kosovo. As to the fate of the Milosevic regime, it was up to Serbs to deal with it. And that happened too, a few months later. Very successfully and relatively peacefully.

Azir

pre 8 godina

Greater Serbia Camp-Pain intentionally targeted civilians in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova whereas NATO collateral damage Of Serb Perpetrators of Genocide ,War Crimes and is no comparison.

too funny

pre 8 godina

Liars....i spit on every nato member and lover of north American Terrorist organization
(John, 21 November 2015 12:14)
And we drop bombs on your house,lol
Maybe we should change from NATO to Orkin, as we specialize in ridding the world of vermin.

Drymades

pre 8 godina

Oh la la, icj1, the European University of Tetovo alumna hits again. How many articles has Macedonia's Constitution, icj1? And what does 'ratification' mean, what does it stand for? It's a basic legal term, icj1 ;)

guest

pre 8 godina

There is no compelling need to join NATO
Who care if you are surrounded by NATO countries?
They cant do anything about if you don't join.

They need you for transit.
Set your price.
Get the benefit, but don't carry any burden

If they don't like it, tell them to go Fu$k themselves
Nothing they can do about it.
if they want transit, make them pay a fee each time.

You dont need Russia either

ALB-Canada

pre 8 godina

NATO didn't do enough in serbia, it should've kept bombing it for another 78 days and nights. I wish I were one of the NATO pilots, I'm sure I would've done a much better job.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I would like to know from where Albanians from this website had money money for buy a computer at second hand and a monitor ?

Serbs have good individuals even if they are extremly nationalist , Romanians are united and help each other but Albanian parasites from where get a computer + a monitor + an internet connection ? + Albania is more poor than Serbia and Romania

I wish Kosovo would had won Unesco war , it would been a big humilation for nationalist Serbs .

TODOR MUSAKA and you are HUMBLE as AFRICANS but if you had a power you would plant a bomb in center of Beograd

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Zoran: When you say that Slovenia was forced into NATO and that it had no choice because its EU membership was tied to the former, you make two mistakes. Firstly, there were two separate referenda for membership of the different organisations in 2003 and Slovenia had been invited to join NATO by that organisation not forced to do so by the EU. Secondly, even if the two had indeed been linked, there is always a choice although like all choices there is usually a sacrifice to be made. I hope Serbia thinks very carefully about EU membership and the sacrifices that the accession process will entail for the population at large. As for NATO and Serbia, they do not need each other and I can see no justifiable reason for Serbia to either be asked to join or accept any invitation.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Thanks to NATO, Russia has gained more territory in Crimea, and Georgia.
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

According to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians that is a great thing, no, so whatever NATO did to inspire Russia must have been right, too!
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Icj1, your childish intellect and your disrespect for international law
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Please quote where I have disrespected international law, or is the above just a lie! And if rejecting your lies means being "childish", that's OK :)

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

There sure are some unintelligent comments here. Collateral damage is never acceptable. Even in the case of Nazi Germany, the carpet bombing of civilian locations was criminal, as was the dropping of the Atomic bombs on civilian targets. If the target was Milosevic, then he alone and the military should have been the target, nothing more.
The problem is that the individuals commenting here are so angry at their own personal situations that you keep on displacing your anger on the other. The first step is to look at yourself and blame yourselves for the mess you are in. If you are poor or cannot afford to live the lifestyle you wish you could live, it's nobody's fault but your own. Instead, though, you want to blame Serbs or Albanians. Blame yourself. I earned my status through hard work. Do the same and stop blaming others. It will make you happier.

point of correction

pre 8 godina

(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)
That is your opinion AS a supporter of what has been designated as one of the most heinous regimes on European soil since World War II. How many innocent victims were your supported murderers of the Milosevic regime targeting daily. How many women were raped in the name of the state of Serbia? How many children were murdered in the name of the Orthodox Church. When in Kosovo I went to see the home of Adem Jashari which came under attack by Serb forces, in that massacre 28 women and children were killed by overwhelming Serb forces.
You speak of US/NATO invading a sovereign country as a war crime but the courts are very explicit in the finding that it is YOUR heros that were the war criminals of the Yugoslav wars.
The attack on Serbia was necessary to prevent the largest genocide in Europe in over 50 years. The only shame NATO or Clark has is that it allowed Serbia to survive.
By the way your quote of Wesley Clark is nothing but an outrageous lie perpetuated by those who seek to cover the blood stains of their own hands.
I see no difference in the Serb on the field who knowing killed innocent children and raped defenseless women and those today who still support them.

icj1

pre 8 godina

First the NAZI regime attack Serbia in WWII and the the NATO war dogs in the 90s
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Not sure where is the logical connection between the two!
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now icj1 in the 21st century believes it was justified, when clearly according to international law these acts were criminal
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

You are quoting the wrong person mate. I did not justify any acts in the 21st century!
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so are you really against breaking laws and upholding the perversion of justice and allowing America and its allies to be an exception to international law which was established after world war 2 to prevent the same mistakes from happening again...?
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Again, you are quoting the wrong person. I never said the above!
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You are a worry icj1... people like you have no respect for sovereignty
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

I have no respect for those who think that sovereignty comes with rights only and forget about the responsibilities that come with sovereignty. Sovereignty is not all about doing whatever somebody wants in a country.
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if it can happen to Serbia, it can happen to france or Germany
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Of course, if they behave like Serbia

point of clarification

pre 8 godina

ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.
(lukebuyenovich, 24 November 2015 12:39)
Kind of behind on the times,
Prosecutor's Report on the Nato Bombing Campaign.

"As announced in her address to the UN Security Council on Friday 2 June, 2000, the Prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, has decided not to open a criminal investigation into any aspect of NATO's 1999 air campaign against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."
As far as my comments on "allowing Serbia to survive" I did not mean that figuratively, but that any truce should have been superseded by an agreement similar to Kosovo. The entire govt of Serbia should have been cast out and the military not only withdrawn from Kosovo but disarmed and disbanded and SERBIA placed under international supervision with Kosovo and rebuilt to insure that the 90's were never to be repeated. As with Germany and Japan, two of the most successful countries on the planet today.
but instead you have Serbia stagnated in that their ultimate goal today is to rid Kosovo of all Albanians.
As far as using my own name. Don't know if this is yours but my first name is already in use here, and there is no way that I would give my personal information out on a site that has such fanatical followers.
You view NATO bombing as criminal eventhough it saved far more lives than it took, but in your rant of wanting peace I saw no condemnation of the brutal acts of Serbia.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Thank You NATO for bombing Serbia because they had a better level of life than Romania and nowdays Serbia would had been richer than Romania + in Union European getting European Founds

Thank you Usa , Thank You Germany , Thank You United Kingdom

Bravo Russia and Ukraine for fight each other

I hope in new wars Serbia vs Croatia or against Kosovo and stuff

GOD BLESS THIS ALIANCE WHO HAD PUT SERBIA UNDER ROMANIA


When i see in YOUTUBE how SERBIA was BOMBED i fell so BIG PLEASURE is so nice to see how someone who lived much better fall down

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I have some conclusions about all people from this website and about all what happened .

1) Without a doubt Albanians are primitive people + they try to look as they are civilisated in this website but if they would had a posibility THEY WOULD PLACE A BOMB IN CENTER OF BELGRADE

2) I am happy that Serbia have MUSLIM neigbours that means soon or later the Serbian infrastructure will be demaged by MUSLIMS

3) I am happy that Serbia was destroyed by NATO and WEST because Serbs have good individuals and they are the most dangerous country from region in the sense of possible development

4) We have here a sentence about ALBANIA => " What Albania ? Albania never existed "

think again

pre 8 godina

Balkan propagandest,

I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime. Normally, if the objective is to halt the activities of an regime, one goes after the elements of the regime, not bombing randomly and recklessly all over the
When your cowardly opponents choose to use innocent as shields to their operations, you have to decide to go after them or allow them to win by hiding behind innocent women and children.
I am sure anyone with any intelligence knows the Chinese Embassy was not an accidental target. A warning had to be made to those who allowed their organization to shield the operations of Milosevic.

ida

pre 8 godina

Serbs should not trust NATO and should keep in mind that NATO has more recently been involved in killing civilians in other nations.

Look what it did to Libya, which is now in chaos with Islamic gangs taking over.
The U.S. is also shipping 22,000 bombs to Saudi Arabia for their ongoing attack on Yemen. Which has killed thousands of civilians since March of this year.
I read that over 1,600 children have been killed by Saudi bombers so far.

NATO is a tool of the U.S.

Serbia should stay out of it. There are plenty of neutral countries who are peaceful without NATO.

NATO is an aggressor and the world will be a better place is it ever unravels.

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.There is two issues here;One is a unprovoked attack by number of States on sovereign country ,the other one is intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets.Both of them are in violation of UN Charter.The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets" This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.

icj1

pre 8 godina

There sure are some unintelligent comments here. Collateral damage is never acceptable. If the target was Milosevic, then he alone and the military should have been the target, nothing more.
The problem is that the individuals commenting here are so angry at their own personal situations
(Raisin Scone, 21 November 2015 13:40)

the problem here is that some people are ignorant... The laws of war do not say that killing of civilians is always unacceptable. It is the wanton or disproportional targeting of civilians that is unacceptable and is a war crime. It's not that Milosevic and the Serbian military operated in some uninhabited area...

That's why countries should be careful about going to war - Milosevic gambled on that thinking that nobody would do anything serious to stop him, and lost his gamble!

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

That's correct - it was not an apology because there is nothing to apologize for.
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The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Sure, generally speaking that's correct. But, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO did the above.
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To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets"
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Please provide the tape that we should roll to see Clark saying the above.
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This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Well, you have to provide the tape first :)

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

@Point of Contradiction

"When in Kosovo I went to see the home of Adem Jashari which came under attack by Serb forces, in that massacre 28 women and children were killed by overwhelming Serb forces"

ADEM Jasheri, the Albanian Muslim Islamic KLA terrorist was given 48 hours to surrender to the Yugoslav security services. That Islamic idiot sacrificed the lives of his family for his terrorist activities. He could have at least release the children instead of using them as shields. What a coward and these Kosovo Islamic KLA terrorists have the audacity to name an airport after this coward.

think again

pre 8 godina

(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18) No amount of talk is going to change your mind as it is set and unpenetratable as a 10 year old scone. But you have the facts wrong, yes NATO did target some "civilian" targets because they were in fact undercover military installations. The targeting of the Radio station was discussed many days by many people before it became an actual target, warning was given that it would be taken out, and Milosevic chose to put some disposable civilians in the way to try and propagandize the act.

I can see where you use the ISIS analogy because if you talk to any ISIS person they think their terrorist actions are righteous, just as daily the Serbs come on here and defend their actions in Yugoslavia.

A galaxy far far away the hague

pre 8 godina

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe.

Icj1, c3po, r2d2 or whatever your name is,

In an area just shy of 10 million sq km, 1600 to 1800 km would be considered close, closer than most of Western Europe and Southern Europe.

Reader

pre 8 godina

"I read into the statement just fine. I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime."

No, you didn't :). And what helped stop the actions of the regime were the bombs that centered their objectives, not the (few) ones that tragically and regrettably went in the wrong places, starting with the army and air targets, and then the diplomatic pressure and Serbia's isolation. In fact, it is considered one of Nato's most successful missions. They reached their objective (again: the objective was to stop the actions of the regime in Kosovo) with minimal loss of human lives on all sides compared to other wars, like Afghanistan for example.

The Chinese embassy, by admission of the president or prime minister of China at the time, was serving as communication center for the Serbian army. He wrote about this later and there was an article about it on B92 some time ago.

And by the way, you seem a bit confused, NATO did not go to Iraq. It was just Bush and a few others. Not sure if NATO went to Libya either, maybe it did, don't know much about that, so prefer to stay silent :).

Even funnier

pre 8 godina

(too funny, 21. novembar 2015 19:31)bring it on. Australia my homeland will crush you tosser.
(John, 23 November 2015 07:22)
Sorry thought you were just an idiotic Serb thumping his chest, did not realize you were an embarassment in two countries.
You need not worry we will not be bombing any homes in Australia, they are the closest allies of NATO that are not NATO members. They support the same causes and ideals that we do. They were also one of the first to recognize Kosovo.
Are you serious about Australia crushing the US or NATO???? Not that it is remote probability it would ever come to play but if it did it would be an impossibility.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe
(Sarah, 20 November 2015 21:49)

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe.
(icj1, 21 November 2015 01:28)

Icj1, c3po, r2d2 or whatever your name is,

In an area just shy of 10 million sq km, 1600 to 1800 km would be considered close, closer than most of Western Europe and Southern Europe.
(A galaxy far far away the hague, 22 November 2015 14:34)

Sure... feel free to follow up and educate our dear friend Sarah about maps!

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

That's correct - it was not an apology because there is nothing to apologize for.
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The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Sure, generally speaking that's correct. But, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO did the above.
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To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets"
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Please provide the tape that we should roll to see Clark saying the above.
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This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Well, you have to provide the tape first :)

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

I'm not interested in swapping insults with anyone.Purpose of my comments are directed to those who can make a difference in conducting war and peace in troublesome Europe.Whatever did happen in disintegration of former Yugoslavia its recorded and archived.ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

the problem here is that some people are ignorant... The laws of war do not say that killing of civilians is always unacceptable. It is the wanton or disproportional targeting of civilians that is unacceptable and is a war crime. It's not that Milosevic and the Serbian military operated in some uninhabited area...

That's why countries should be careful about going to war - Milosevic gambled on that thinking that nobody would do anything serious to stop him, and lost his gamble!
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:28)

I have to disagree with you. Although there are supposedly no laws of war governing civilian deaths, we in the West should know better than that. Instead, NATO targeted civilian targets pretending they had military significance. Their aim was to overthrow Milosevic by causing discomfort in civilians, most of whom didn't give a darn about war or Milosevic. Destroying infrastructure was unacceptable. NATO and the US has a history of doing such attacks and also using sanctions that attack civilians. The destruction of civilian targets is the same as using human shields to protect terrorists from death.
Milosevic was a bad guy. Your defending of NATO's actions shows little sophistication in your cognitive/moral competence. You can make excuses all you want, but if you accept what NATO did as Milosevic's fault, you probably also are more likely to believe that the deaths caused by ISIS in France are France's fault.

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO targeted civilian targets pretending they had military significance.
(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18)

According to the UN the above is not the case, so since you are a nobody compared to the UN your statement can simply be ignored.
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Your defending of NATO's actions shows little sophistication in your cognitive/moral competence.
(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18)

I just pointed out that according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO violated the laws of war during the bombing campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999. If you disagree, there is no point to tell that to me - I'm just the messenger. Direct your concerns to the UN!

think again

pre 8 godina

(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 21:36) In your attempt to claim the moral highroad did you prove me wrong?
Do the the Serbian posters not come on here daily and attempt to justify their actions in the 90's. Just as ISIS try to portray their actions as sanctioned by God.
Think before you write. And just like when you said NATO and US you did not mean all Americans and NATO members, I said Serbs on here, not all Serbs. I think most Serbians are good, just not the ones who post here.

peter

pre 8 godina

@icj1
You are probably one of those who get the info form CNN and Co. which leads me to believe you will justify the destruction of Iraq based on deliberately fabricated "evidence" as well as Libya chaos and then the Syria issue and all those other "great" things NATO had accomplished in the past 15 or so years which caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.Great job. And before visiting Serbian news sites to spread your BS maybe you could clean up your back yard first. I haven't seen your mentors Bush or Cheney being sent to Hague for their part in WMD fiasco.

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

"Point of correction"Who ever you are,obviously afraid or ashamed of your identity.I support no dictators, terrorist or criminals.I advocate peace no wars.Intentionally,selecting and targeting civilians in any conflict is a criminal act.Therefore,NATO committed act of terrorism."The only shame NATO or Clark has is that allowed Serbia to survive"Unfortunately for Europe there is some people who entertain these thoughts of destroying Serbia.Keep on dreaming!!!

icj1

pre 8 godina

ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.
(lukebuyenovich, 24 November 2015 12:39)

What an idiotic statement. ICTY will never pass a judgement on that because it's not one of the crimes under its jurisdiction. ICTY's mandate is to prosecute violations of the laws of war, not whether the war was legal or not.

Regardless of the legality of a war, once a war starts combatants are obligated to conduct military operations in accordance with the laws of war, as NATO did.

Point of Contradiction

pre 8 godina

ugoslavija, 24 November 2015 21:21)
Of course in your eyes Serbia never committed war crimes, but the rest of the world disagrees.
Serbia was forewarned about the attack on the Radio station that was used as a military communications center, but instead of evacuating all civilians they had low level people stay put to claim civilian deaths but were those deaths due to the actual bombs or the goals of a heinous dictator? Also the students in the cafe in Peja, killed by your own govt.
I guess it is a matter of opinion whether Jashari was a terrorist or a hero isn't it. To you all Albanians are terrorists so kind of clouds your opinion.

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

I can see where you use the ISIS analogy because if you talk to any ISIS person they think their terrorist actions are righteous, just as daily the Serbs come on here and defend their actions in Yugoslavia.
(think again, 25 November 2015 13:19)

Thank you for supporting my original point. To the good folks reading B92, you see how some individuals cannot eschew ethnocentrism and blatant racism (for lack of better words)? The immediate reaction is to insult Serbs, an entire people. Hey 'think for once', you should direct your attack at me, not at the entire Serb ethnicity. If you have problem with something I said, attack me, not the Serbs. I'm not attacking Albanians or Serbs. My mother was a Serb, but I'm not going to support anyone, Serb or Albanian who disrespects an entire nation for such folly. I urge you and everyone else to show some self-respect and for goodness sake think before writing.

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

NATO humiliated Serbia in 1999 and will do it again if Serbia steps out of line. If Serbs had any self respect they wouldn't be sucking up to NATO secretly hoping to gain membership. Your leaders are hypocrites and are an embarrassment for Serbia. This is another reason why Serbia is held in such contempt by the West and, consequently, will never gain admission to the EU.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I would like to know from where Albanians from this website had money money for buy a computer at second hand and a monitor ?

Serbs have good individuals even if they are extremly nationalist , Romanians are united and help each other but Albanian parasites from where get a computer + a monitor + an internet connection ? + Albania is more poor than Serbia and Romania

I wish Kosovo would had won Unesco war , it would been a big humilation for nationalist Serbs .

TODOR MUSAKA and you are HUMBLE as AFRICANS but if you had a power you would plant a bomb in center of Beograd

Amanaparts

pre 8 godina

You reap what you sow. Serbia had it coming. I do feel bad for collateral damage on property and people but I dont understand how serbians are mad at Nato. After all it was their politics that got them in to the mess. The world watched Serbia attack Slovenia, they watched Serbia attach Croatia, they even watched when 7000+ where killed during the genocide in Srebrenica. Its a miracle the world waited until the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo to intervene like they did.

Say what you want, play victim how much you want but at least honor your dead and accept the truth. Its this nationalistic propaganda that got you into 4 wars and its this inhuman worldview that got your own people killed. No. Its not NATOS fault. Its your fault. Every dead Serb is your fault. Deep inside, you know its true. No matter how loud you bark, we all know that you wont bite anymore.

Hrvatski

pre 8 godina

Notice, he is talking about all victims on all sides, so this wasn't just about Serbs, who he still blames for causing NATO to intervene lol. Reading comprehension is necessary for you guy.
Secodnly, he said milosevic actions were unacceptable, meaning they still stand by their decision when they bombed serbia, and would do it again if they are faced with these challenges.
Basically, he is telling Serbs to join in NATO, or do not try to attack your neighbors because we're still here and we're ready.

Croatia!!!

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

Thank You NATO for bombing Serbia because they had a better level of life than Romania and nowdays Serbia would had been richer than Romania + in Union European getting European Founds

Thank you Usa , Thank You Germany , Thank You United Kingdom

Bravo Russia and Ukraine for fight each other

I hope in new wars Serbia vs Croatia or against Kosovo and stuff

GOD BLESS THIS ALIANCE WHO HAD PUT SERBIA UNDER ROMANIA


When i see in YOUTUBE how SERBIA was BOMBED i fell so BIG PLEASURE is so nice to see how someone who lived much better fall down

Bob

pre 8 godina

Accidents and mistakes do happen. No civilian death by NATO was deliberate.

WHEREAS the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo, with Milosevic's version of Serbian supremacy behind it, included dishonourable cold blooded MURDER and was deliberate, persistent, and was highly unacceptable to the people in the NATO countries who wanted the Balkan wars stopped.

That's why NATO bombed. To stop murder in the name of nationalism continuing.

What's more, it worked.

Greetings from the neighbourhood

pre 8 godina

We have no hostilities and Serbia does not want to make enemies out of friends, and we were in one period experts for these things. Although I do not think that Serbia was to blame for what happened in 1999 in any way, not even her leadership, but these are our different assessments of the past," "said Vucic.
This is whom you're embracing in European family today, and punishing Kosovo instead!!! Shame on you !!!
Who the hell was the perpetrator and who was the victim?! More than 20000 women raped, over 15000 murdered (elderly, children and women), over 10000 houeses burned to the ground, 0ver 250 non ortodox cristian sites wiped from the ground, and almost 1 milion expelled from their houses and from Kosovo....what are we talking here you god damn hipocrits. YOU and all the commentators who think differently and have absolutely no brain to think with their own head, but pitfall on still living Milosevic poirpapganda!!!!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 8 godina

"Although I do not think that Serbia was to blame for what happened in 1999 in any way, not even her leadership, but these are our different assessments of the past," "said Vucic.

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.

icj1

pre 8 godina

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Good luck... the above is a great example of the contribution of myths to brainwashing and the impact on somebody's brain
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Also Germnay owes my family money for WWII reperations which we never received.!
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Too late for that - it's a settled matter.
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NATO are similar to NAZI.... A Criminal war group.
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Yes, according to a certain "Nicola Novakovic"!

The Count of Kosova

pre 8 godina

forget about American propaganda....nobody cares what America says are their old aging grandpa nato friends lol besides Albanians and isis hehehe
(america and nato are a joke, 20 November 2015 18:20)

Has mommy been putting Rakija in your milk again to make the Boogeyman go away.

Danilo

pre 8 godina

What sort of mental gymnastics does it take to ignore the fact that Serbia created a police state in one of its provinces for TEN YEARS and pretend that Serbia was an innocent bystander.

Can you do it your whole life? I guess some people can.

Reader

pre 8 godina

"Our intervention in 1999 was not against the Serbian people, it was about stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime."

I didn't know the fate of the Milosevic regime was tied into hospitals, nurseries, bridges, passenger trains, the Chinese embassy, various homes, and news headquarters. I would have thought more military installations and other instruments of war that stepped up their campaign the moment NATO started to bomb soft target.

Silly NATO and its pathetic attempts at apologizing.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 20 November 2015 16:02)

You need to read and understand better what you yourself quote BA. He didn't talk about "the fate of the Milosevic regime", he talked about "stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime". And that happened. Very successfully, the murderous Serb forces were driven out of Kosovo. As to the fate of the Milosevic regime, it was up to Serbs to deal with it. And that happened too, a few months later. Very successfully and relatively peacefully.

Azir

pre 8 godina

Greater Serbia Camp-Pain intentionally targeted civilians in Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia and Kosova whereas NATO collateral damage Of Serb Perpetrators of Genocide ,War Crimes and is no comparison.

Ari Gold

pre 8 godina

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 November 2015 14:05)

No, but it was both sides that caused it. You can admire Alija Izetbegovic and Franjo Tudjman all you'd like, but the Serbs living under these governments were in legitimate fear for their lives. If you are a Serb, then very likely Sonja Biserko or Natasa Kandic pays you to say such things to justify NATO aggression. And we in turn know who pays them.

Sarah

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe and the first step backing from your policy is to regret , then to apologize , and then what? Just becaming very interesting to follow how providence interferes , don't you think ?

sasa.p

pre 8 godina

He stated,it was not against the Serbian people or population, but against Milosevic and his army.Then WHY?,bomb school's,Old age homes( pensioners), water supply's for people/ population, Electricity grid's for people/ population, bridge's (in VARVARIN town) when a public trains with the people/ population was travelling on when it was hit!.Hospital's in Nis ,Belgrade where targeted and hit,where the people/ population use.etc,etc.
This story by him is bullshit.
The military was the least hit by the bomb's.
The Serbian people/ population where hit and target the most.
Now we should welcome NATO,thank but NO thanks,F-CK OFF to NATO's lies.
That's to all for the NON military people, oh ya NATO call it collateral damage! Again F- CK NATO and your opinion on your saying COLLATERAL DAMAGE,when I lost a niece and auntie due to COLLATERAL DAMAGE, insulate to human kind !

america and nato are a joke

pre 8 godina

America and nato are trying to kiss everyone's you know what....they are nothing in the world today and they know it.....they are weak and never were strong they never won a war in their histories and still losing today.....Serbia, Montenegro should never join their old aging nato team which is nothing and falling apart ....Americas only war they won was japan in their history and that was murdering civilians so that don't count........and as for nato they are doing nothing.....as we see in Syria its the russkies that are demolishing American allies isis....now the new world is here and that is Russia ,china ,india and the rest of the brics and their allies world wide and is growing fast....don't be suckered in this story.....the NWO is here.......forget about American propaganda....nobody cares what America says are their old aging grandpa nato friends lol besides Albanians and isis hehehe

icj1

pre 8 godina

He regrets loss of life of innocent Serbs... Ok, pay war reperations to the families and to Serbia.
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

"Regret" is different from "apologize"... If you are driving at night in a highway (observing all traffic laws) and somebody jumps in front of your car, you are going to regret you killed that person, but there is nothing for you to apologize or pay compensation for.
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What NATO can not do is change history... They are criminals for attacking a sovereign nation and killing Innocent Serbs...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

That's true, NATO does not need to change history. And, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO committed war crimes (note that just because somebody was killed, does not make it a war crime) during the bombing campaign.
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We were fighting KLA jihadist terrorists and NATO came to save them and bomb the Serbs... How disgusting...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Well, not sure womes and children were "KLA jihadist terrorits" and according to the UN, those who were commanding the Serbian forces committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in Kosovo... so, yes, that's disgusting and NATO stopped something that was disgusting.
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Imagine if Russia bombed France for fighting the jihadist terrorists in Paris...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)

Can you explain the logic?!

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

NATO secretary general spend his childhood in beograde...But thats when it was yugoslavia...

He regrets loss of life of innocent Serbs... Ok, pay war reperations to the families and to Serbia.

What NATO can not do is change history... They are criminals for attacking a sovereign nation and killing Innocent Serbs... We were fighting KLA jihadist terrorists and NATO came to save them and bomb the Serbs... How disgusting...

Imagine if Russia bombed France for fighting the jihadist terrorists in Paris...

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays... Also Germnay owes my family money for WWII reperations which we never received.!

NATO are similar to NAZI.... A Criminal war group... Last time foreigners came to the balkans and caused war they came as NATO, the time before that they came as NAZI's....

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 8 godina

Nazi Alliance Terrorist Organization Sorry? On March 23, 1999 Satan lit the fuse to the begining of the end of the world as we living today know and remember it! What did the Devil accomplish by savagely and severely bombing Christian Eastern Orthodxy in the Balkans for 78 day? Serbian Holy land Kosovo not occupied by Islam, occupied by Satan! Kosovo and Srpska Krajina were Serbian Eastern Orthodox Christians lived on their lands and in their homes for ages stolen by the Devil him self! Milosevic needed to be removed, just like all the other leaders of countries and nations who were murdered by the USA so that the population be raped and murdered by Satan! Good old USA, what would we Christian Eastern Orthodox people do with out you? Just look and see how happy Serbia is compared to a quarter century ago, we Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavic people are so happy with this new world order the USA is imposing on all nations in the world! So according to the USA, England, Germany, International Community the murder of Serbia justified, Eastern Orthodox Christians deserve death? Why do Serbian politicians continue to entertain Satan? Any Christian Eastern Orthodox Slav any where in the world must never forget the tears and blood that was spilled by Satan upon our race! How can we Serbian people ever move ahead when we permit the Devil to wrap his filty hands around our necks? Serbia must NEVER forgive or forget what happened during 1999, with our blood and tears we curse !!!

Zoran

pre 8 godina

Just a few corrections, Slovenia was forced into NATO. Its EU membership was tied to NATO membership so there was no choice there. NATO is a joint criminal enterprise that is continuing where the NAZIs left. On the agenda is world domination.

The cowards deliberately targeted civilian infrastructure and caused thousands of civilian deaths, for which they have absolutely no sympathy. They just want Serbia to join this death machine and are playing nice guys. However, everyone should know the dangers of playing with the devil.

Serbia and the situation in KiM was relatively calm until NATO started bombing. Only then did hell break loose. NATO spreads death, destruction and instability while supporting terrorists.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Serbia and the situation in KiM was relatively calm until NATO started bombing. Only then did hell break loose. NATO spreads death, destruction and instability while supporting terrorists.
(Zoran, 20 November 2015 22:10)

You might want to find a dictionary and check the difference between "causation" and "correlation". Just because A and B happen at the same time, does not mean that A caused B or viceversa.

On the causation side though, according to the UN, it was not NATO that caused the population of Kosovo to have to leave their homes.

adrian_bucharest

pre 8 godina

I have some conclusions about all people from this website and about all what happened .

1) Without a doubt Albanians are primitive people + they try to look as they are civilisated in this website but if they would had a posibility THEY WOULD PLACE A BOMB IN CENTER OF BELGRADE

2) I am happy that Serbia have MUSLIM neigbours that means soon or later the Serbian infrastructure will be demaged by MUSLIMS

3) I am happy that Serbia was destroyed by NATO and WEST because Serbs have good individuals and they are the most dangerous country from region in the sense of possible development

4) We have here a sentence about ALBANIA => " What Albania ? Albania never existed "

heroicdefeat1389

pre 8 godina

Got to love how Vucic wants to be the good little chetnik so bad. You said that hundred muslims would die for every serb yet you refuse to take any kind of responsibility for what happened.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe
(Sarah, 20 November 2015 21:49)

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe. Second, Serbia and Russia might decide whatever they want, but whether any Russian soldier and/or military equipment arrives in Serbia is decided by NATO or Montenegro since they will have to pass via NATO or Montenegro territory or airspace. It's 2015, dear, and it's not that hard to find a map!

Joe A

pre 8 godina

Albright also spent part of her childhood in Serbia.
If he feels sorry he should lay flowers at the various monuments for the victims for the campaign.
NATO thought they would need 48 but they needed 78 days. In order to win the campaign and/or avoiding an invasion over land they resorted to bombing civilian targets and infrastructure. That is a war crime.

The illegal NATO campaign (not sanctioned by UNSC) was a test case to be repeated in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria with devastating effects there. It led to the current refugee/migrant crisis and to the IS attacks in Europe.

Nikola

pre 8 godina

I wonder what would have happened if Serbia had more formidable air defense?
The fact is NATO will never attack any country with actual capability to defend itself from air raids. Serbs would have more success repelling ground invasion than defending from air attacks.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

"The Death of Slobodan Miloseivic was NATO's responsibility, Christopher Black"


The trial was necessary from NATO’s point of view in order to justify the aggression against Yugoslavia and the putsch by the DOS forces in Belgrade supported by NATO, by which democracy in Yugoslavia was finally destroyed and Serbia reduced to a NATO protectorate under a Quisling regime. His illegal arrest, by NATO forces in Belgrade, his illegal detention in Belgrade Central Prison, his illegal rendition to the former Gestapo prison at Scheveningen, near The Hague, and the show trial that followed, were all part of the drama played out for the world public, and it could only have one of two endings, the conviction, or the death, of President Milosevic.http://www.beoforum.rs/en/comments-belgrade-forum-for-the-world-of-equals/410-the-death-of-milosevic-and-nato-responsibility-by-christopher-black.html

sj

pre 8 godina

NATO humiliated Serbia in 1999 and will do it again if Serbia steps out of line. If Serbs had any self respect they wouldn't be sucking up to NATO secretly hoping to gain membership. Your leaders are hypocrites and are an embarrassment for Serbia. This is another reason why Serbia is held in such contempt by the West and, consequently, will never gain admission to the EU.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 November 2015 15:23)

Well the west paid for the clean-up of the depleted uranium they dropped in Serbia during 1999, but I see you Albos are still held in such high esteem they have not touched southern Kosovo where you bros farm and eat crops form those sites.
PS. the NATO wanker thinks he can suck up to Serbs so they change their ideas about NATO so he apologies. They would never apologise to Albos since they see you as disposable.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

"Our intervention in 1999 was not against the Serbian people, it was about stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime."

I didn't know the fate of the Milosevic regime was tied into hospitals, nurseries, bridges, passenger trains, the Chinese embassy, various homes, and news headquarters. I would have thought more military installations and other instruments of war that stepped up their campaign the moment NATO started to bomb soft target.

Silly NATO and its pathetic attempts at apologizing.

Stan

pre 8 godina

When are they going to clean up uranium and cluster bombs and clean the water? They should be embarrassed of themselves. All that on another false pretext. Genocide of Albanians? Give me a break.

Ratko

pre 8 godina

@ stan

Exactly the real genocide was committed on Serbs. That radiation practically lasts forever. One way is to dig out and get rid of the soil but who knows how deep it penetrated by now. Some say the reason why summers became so hot in the region after 99 was due to radiation being warmed up by the sun.

Zoz m

pre 8 godina

Cannot believe how tough the Albanians and Croats are tough on this issue. Your armies were crushed by Serb forces during the Balkan wars and then Tudjman, Izet and Thaci were like little kids crying for mummy to help them. Nato had to come and fight your losing battles just like Germany entered WW1 to save Austrian Hungry forces getting whipped by Serbia. Dont forget how the Russians whipped the Nazis in Stalingrad which included facists Hungarains, Croats, Italians,Albanians etc.

Roger7

pre 8 godina

Accidents and mistakes do happen. No civilian death by NATO was deliberate.
(Bob, 20 November 2015 15:33)

The typical self-righteous attitude that is so prevalent and harmful coming from the west. A myth.

http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/u-s-media-overlook-expose-on-chinese-embassy-bombing/

The bombing of the Chinese embassy, admittedly developed by the CIA, was intentional.

too funny

pre 8 godina

I want war reperations for Serbia... I will not stop, history will not disappear and my children will fight for this, and their children and in the mean time, interest will be added until the day NATO pays...
(Nikola Novakovic, 20 November 2015 15:24)
The all powerful OZ has spoken!! But if you remember the movie. When the dog pulled back the curtain found out that OZ had no powers.
Your children and your children's children will hopefully be more intelligent than to support a monstrous regime that caused thousands of deaths.

There will never be money paid for war reparations UNLESS it is by Serbia to those they brutalized.
So go to your grave fighting for something that will not happen nor should it.

Nikola Novakovic

pre 8 godina

@ICJ1....

We have a challenger... icj1.... your just as bad as those nazi war criminals.

First the NAZI regime attack Serbia in WWII and the the NATO war dogs in the 90s... now icj1 in the 21st century believes it was justified, when clearly according to international law these acts were criminal... so are you really against breaking laws and upholding the perversion of justice and allowing America and its allies to be an exception to international law which was established after world war 2 to prevent the same mistakes from happening again...?

You are a worry icj1... people like you have no respect for sovereignty, which is why one day sovereignty will not exist, because of people like you and when that day comes, it will be your country of residence which will be violated by a foreign country and you will submit to a greater power... if it can happen to Serbia, it can happen to france or Germany, such is the case during WWII...

Icj1, your belief that NATO done the right thing has caused a domino effect which is causing instability throughout the world. Thanks to NATO, Russia has gained more territory in Crimea, and Georgia. Thanks to NATO, Libya is a failed state and ISIS terrorizes north africa through to the middle east.

Icj1, your childish intellect and your disrespect for international law has created a system where sovereignty can be challenged when a country tries to save itself from being terrorized from jihadist militias as in the case of kosovo.

Peggy

pre 8 godina

Of course not, it's always the others that caused these wars with more than 100.000 people killed.
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 November 2015 14:05)
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Does this 100,000 include all the people killed by Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians?

too funny

pre 8 godina

Liars....i spit on every nato member and lover of north American Terrorist organization
(John, 21 November 2015 12:14)
And we drop bombs on your house,lol
Maybe we should change from NATO to Orkin, as we specialize in ridding the world of vermin.

aston68

pre 8 godina

Oh, it "regrets civilian victims"... That would be about the entire population of Serbia, from the strongest, surviving with just minor PTSD, to the ones murdered. Many more have been dying from leukemias and other cancers in any given year between 1999 and today, than those who died as a direct result of explosions in 1999.
Freedom-of-the-press-defending NATO, bombing RTS; human-rights-defending NATO, bombing bridges not used by the military, schools and hospitals; international-order-respecting NATO, using banned ammunition and bombing foreign embassies... Murdering the nation, absorbing the best of it into their societies without paying a penny for their education, raping the rest into the guilt complex, depression and the slavish low-wage work for their companies. Glad your childhood in Belgrade was such a happy one, little Jens. Those must have been some other, non-evil Serbs providing you with the good memories back then, right?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 8 godina

You need to read and understand better what you yourself quote BA. He didn't talk about "the fate of the Milosevic regime", he talked about "stopping the unacceptable actions of the Milosevic regime". And that happened.
(Reader, 20 November 2015 17:40)

I read into the statement just fine. I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime. Normally, if the objective is to halt the activities of an regime, one goes after the elements of the regime, not bombing randomly and recklessly all over the place while said regime steps up its activities in Kosovo. NATO has an appalling track record of shooting everyone and everything and then taking credit victories that are as devoid of meaning as they are hollow of action. NATO has an equally appalling track record of wasting time patting itself on its back for an imagined victory while people on the ground use the opportunity to take vengeance into their own hands and target people unaffiliated with the previous regime, as we've seen in Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, and very soon Syria. That they "regret" civilian victims more than 15 years later is a pathetic attempt at covering up their past actions.

ALB-Canada

pre 8 godina

NATO didn't do enough in serbia, it should've kept bombing it for another 78 days and nights. I wish I were one of the NATO pilots, I'm sure I would've done a much better job.

just a note

pre 8 godina

To hell with nato to hell with vucic to hell EU hello rusia;)CRNFW5
(Nikola, 21 November 2015 02:03
We wish you great adventures on your journey to a new life in Rusia, Be well!

Drymades

pre 8 godina

Oh la la, icj1, the European University of Tetovo alumna hits again. How many articles has Macedonia's Constitution, icj1? And what does 'ratification' mean, what does it stand for? It's a basic legal term, icj1 ;)

guest

pre 8 godina

There is no compelling need to join NATO
Who care if you are surrounded by NATO countries?
They cant do anything about if you don't join.

They need you for transit.
Set your price.
Get the benefit, but don't carry any burden

If they don't like it, tell them to go Fu$k themselves
Nothing they can do about it.
if they want transit, make them pay a fee each time.

You dont need Russia either

Reader

pre 8 godina

"I read into the statement just fine. I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime."

No, you didn't :). And what helped stop the actions of the regime were the bombs that centered their objectives, not the (few) ones that tragically and regrettably went in the wrong places, starting with the army and air targets, and then the diplomatic pressure and Serbia's isolation. In fact, it is considered one of Nato's most successful missions. They reached their objective (again: the objective was to stop the actions of the regime in Kosovo) with minimal loss of human lives on all sides compared to other wars, like Afghanistan for example.

The Chinese embassy, by admission of the president or prime minister of China at the time, was serving as communication center for the Serbian army. He wrote about this later and there was an article about it on B92 some time ago.

And by the way, you seem a bit confused, NATO did not go to Iraq. It was just Bush and a few others. Not sure if NATO went to Libya either, maybe it did, don't know much about that, so prefer to stay silent :).

ida

pre 8 godina

Serbs should not trust NATO and should keep in mind that NATO has more recently been involved in killing civilians in other nations.

Look what it did to Libya, which is now in chaos with Islamic gangs taking over.
The U.S. is also shipping 22,000 bombs to Saudi Arabia for their ongoing attack on Yemen. Which has killed thousands of civilians since March of this year.
I read that over 1,600 children have been killed by Saudi bombers so far.

NATO is a tool of the U.S.

Serbia should stay out of it. There are plenty of neutral countries who are peaceful without NATO.

NATO is an aggressor and the world will be a better place is it ever unravels.

icj1

pre 8 godina

First the NAZI regime attack Serbia in WWII and the the NATO war dogs in the 90s
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Not sure where is the logical connection between the two!
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now icj1 in the 21st century believes it was justified, when clearly according to international law these acts were criminal
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

You are quoting the wrong person mate. I did not justify any acts in the 21st century!
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so are you really against breaking laws and upholding the perversion of justice and allowing America and its allies to be an exception to international law which was established after world war 2 to prevent the same mistakes from happening again...?
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Again, you are quoting the wrong person. I never said the above!
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You are a worry icj1... people like you have no respect for sovereignty
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

I have no respect for those who think that sovereignty comes with rights only and forget about the responsibilities that come with sovereignty. Sovereignty is not all about doing whatever somebody wants in a country.
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if it can happen to Serbia, it can happen to france or Germany
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Of course, if they behave like Serbia

point of clarification

pre 8 godina

ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.
(lukebuyenovich, 24 November 2015 12:39)
Kind of behind on the times,
Prosecutor's Report on the Nato Bombing Campaign.

"As announced in her address to the UN Security Council on Friday 2 June, 2000, the Prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte, has decided not to open a criminal investigation into any aspect of NATO's 1999 air campaign against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."
As far as my comments on "allowing Serbia to survive" I did not mean that figuratively, but that any truce should have been superseded by an agreement similar to Kosovo. The entire govt of Serbia should have been cast out and the military not only withdrawn from Kosovo but disarmed and disbanded and SERBIA placed under international supervision with Kosovo and rebuilt to insure that the 90's were never to be repeated. As with Germany and Japan, two of the most successful countries on the planet today.
but instead you have Serbia stagnated in that their ultimate goal today is to rid Kosovo of all Albanians.
As far as using my own name. Don't know if this is yours but my first name is already in use here, and there is no way that I would give my personal information out on a site that has such fanatical followers.
You view NATO bombing as criminal eventhough it saved far more lives than it took, but in your rant of wanting peace I saw no condemnation of the brutal acts of Serbia.

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

the problem here is that some people are ignorant... The laws of war do not say that killing of civilians is always unacceptable. It is the wanton or disproportional targeting of civilians that is unacceptable and is a war crime. It's not that Milosevic and the Serbian military operated in some uninhabited area...

That's why countries should be careful about going to war - Milosevic gambled on that thinking that nobody would do anything serious to stop him, and lost his gamble!
(icj1, 24 November 2015 05:28)

I have to disagree with you. Although there are supposedly no laws of war governing civilian deaths, we in the West should know better than that. Instead, NATO targeted civilian targets pretending they had military significance. Their aim was to overthrow Milosevic by causing discomfort in civilians, most of whom didn't give a darn about war or Milosevic. Destroying infrastructure was unacceptable. NATO and the US has a history of doing such attacks and also using sanctions that attack civilians. The destruction of civilian targets is the same as using human shields to protect terrorists from death.
Milosevic was a bad guy. Your defending of NATO's actions shows little sophistication in your cognitive/moral competence. You can make excuses all you want, but if you accept what NATO did as Milosevic's fault, you probably also are more likely to believe that the deaths caused by ISIS in France are France's fault.

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

There sure are some unintelligent comments here. Collateral damage is never acceptable. Even in the case of Nazi Germany, the carpet bombing of civilian locations was criminal, as was the dropping of the Atomic bombs on civilian targets. If the target was Milosevic, then he alone and the military should have been the target, nothing more.
The problem is that the individuals commenting here are so angry at their own personal situations that you keep on displacing your anger on the other. The first step is to look at yourself and blame yourselves for the mess you are in. If you are poor or cannot afford to live the lifestyle you wish you could live, it's nobody's fault but your own. Instead, though, you want to blame Serbs or Albanians. Blame yourself. I earned my status through hard work. Do the same and stop blaming others. It will make you happier.

ned taylor

pre 8 godina

Zoran: When you say that Slovenia was forced into NATO and that it had no choice because its EU membership was tied to the former, you make two mistakes. Firstly, there were two separate referenda for membership of the different organisations in 2003 and Slovenia had been invited to join NATO by that organisation not forced to do so by the EU. Secondly, even if the two had indeed been linked, there is always a choice although like all choices there is usually a sacrifice to be made. I hope Serbia thinks very carefully about EU membership and the sacrifices that the accession process will entail for the population at large. As for NATO and Serbia, they do not need each other and I can see no justifiable reason for Serbia to either be asked to join or accept any invitation.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Thanks to NATO, Russia has gained more territory in Crimea, and Georgia.
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

According to the most patriotic of Serbs and Russians that is a great thing, no, so whatever NATO did to inspire Russia must have been right, too!
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Icj1, your childish intellect and your disrespect for international law
(Nikola Novakovic, 21 November 2015 01:46)

Please quote where I have disrespected international law, or is the above just a lie! And if rejecting your lies means being "childish", that's OK :)

point of correction

pre 8 godina

(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)
That is your opinion AS a supporter of what has been designated as one of the most heinous regimes on European soil since World War II. How many innocent victims were your supported murderers of the Milosevic regime targeting daily. How many women were raped in the name of the state of Serbia? How many children were murdered in the name of the Orthodox Church. When in Kosovo I went to see the home of Adem Jashari which came under attack by Serb forces, in that massacre 28 women and children were killed by overwhelming Serb forces.
You speak of US/NATO invading a sovereign country as a war crime but the courts are very explicit in the finding that it is YOUR heros that were the war criminals of the Yugoslav wars.
The attack on Serbia was necessary to prevent the largest genocide in Europe in over 50 years. The only shame NATO or Clark has is that it allowed Serbia to survive.
By the way your quote of Wesley Clark is nothing but an outrageous lie perpetuated by those who seek to cover the blood stains of their own hands.
I see no difference in the Serb on the field who knowing killed innocent children and raped defenseless women and those today who still support them.

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

"Point of correction"Who ever you are,obviously afraid or ashamed of your identity.I support no dictators, terrorist or criminals.I advocate peace no wars.Intentionally,selecting and targeting civilians in any conflict is a criminal act.Therefore,NATO committed act of terrorism."The only shame NATO or Clark has is that allowed Serbia to survive"Unfortunately for Europe there is some people who entertain these thoughts of destroying Serbia.Keep on dreaming!!!

icj1

pre 8 godina

ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.
(lukebuyenovich, 24 November 2015 12:39)

What an idiotic statement. ICTY will never pass a judgement on that because it's not one of the crimes under its jurisdiction. ICTY's mandate is to prosecute violations of the laws of war, not whether the war was legal or not.

Regardless of the legality of a war, once a war starts combatants are obligated to conduct military operations in accordance with the laws of war, as NATO did.

Raisin Scone

pre 8 godina

I can see where you use the ISIS analogy because if you talk to any ISIS person they think their terrorist actions are righteous, just as daily the Serbs come on here and defend their actions in Yugoslavia.
(think again, 25 November 2015 13:19)

Thank you for supporting my original point. To the good folks reading B92, you see how some individuals cannot eschew ethnocentrism and blatant racism (for lack of better words)? The immediate reaction is to insult Serbs, an entire people. Hey 'think for once', you should direct your attack at me, not at the entire Serb ethnicity. If you have problem with something I said, attack me, not the Serbs. I'm not attacking Albanians or Serbs. My mother was a Serb, but I'm not going to support anyone, Serb or Albanian who disrespects an entire nation for such folly. I urge you and everyone else to show some self-respect and for goodness sake think before writing.

think again

pre 8 godina

(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 21:36) In your attempt to claim the moral highroad did you prove me wrong?
Do the the Serbian posters not come on here daily and attempt to justify their actions in the 90's. Just as ISIS try to portray their actions as sanctioned by God.
Think before you write. And just like when you said NATO and US you did not mean all Americans and NATO members, I said Serbs on here, not all Serbs. I think most Serbians are good, just not the ones who post here.

think again

pre 8 godina

Balkan propagandest,

I fail to see how bombing hospitals, schools, and other non-regime targets including the Chinese embassy helped stopping the regime. Normally, if the objective is to halt the activities of an regime, one goes after the elements of the regime, not bombing randomly and recklessly all over the
When your cowardly opponents choose to use innocent as shields to their operations, you have to decide to go after them or allow them to win by hiding behind innocent women and children.
I am sure anyone with any intelligence knows the Chinese Embassy was not an accidental target. A warning had to be made to those who allowed their organization to shield the operations of Milosevic.

A galaxy far far away the hague

pre 8 godina

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe.

Icj1, c3po, r2d2 or whatever your name is,

In an area just shy of 10 million sq km, 1600 to 1800 km would be considered close, closer than most of Western Europe and Southern Europe.

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.There is two issues here;One is a unprovoked attack by number of States on sovereign country ,the other one is intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets.Both of them are in violation of UN Charter.The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets" This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.

Even funnier

pre 8 godina

(too funny, 21. novembar 2015 19:31)bring it on. Australia my homeland will crush you tosser.
(John, 23 November 2015 07:22)
Sorry thought you were just an idiotic Serb thumping his chest, did not realize you were an embarassment in two countries.
You need not worry we will not be bombing any homes in Australia, they are the closest allies of NATO that are not NATO members. They support the same causes and ideals that we do. They were also one of the first to recognize Kosovo.
Are you serious about Australia crushing the US or NATO???? Not that it is remote probability it would ever come to play but if it did it would be an impossibility.

icj1

pre 8 godina

Well , well , well , NATO. It looks like your "Angel of Mercy" ( the name used by you in 1999 bombing of Serbia ) has come back to bite you in the behind . Now you need Serbia. You are afraid Serbia is going to change course and ally with Russia , alow Putin to open a military base in almost the center of Europe
(Sarah, 20 November 2015 21:49)

What an idiotic statement. When was the last time you took a look at a map, dear? First, Serbia is not the center of Europe or close to being the center of Europe.
(icj1, 21 November 2015 01:28)

Icj1, c3po, r2d2 or whatever your name is,

In an area just shy of 10 million sq km, 1600 to 1800 km would be considered close, closer than most of Western Europe and Southern Europe.
(A galaxy far far away the hague, 22 November 2015 14:34)

Sure... feel free to follow up and educate our dear friend Sarah about maps!

icj1

pre 8 godina

There sure are some unintelligent comments here. Collateral damage is never acceptable. If the target was Milosevic, then he alone and the military should have been the target, nothing more.
The problem is that the individuals commenting here are so angry at their own personal situations
(Raisin Scone, 21 November 2015 13:40)

the problem here is that some people are ignorant... The laws of war do not say that killing of civilians is always unacceptable. It is the wanton or disproportional targeting of civilians that is unacceptable and is a war crime. It's not that Milosevic and the Serbian military operated in some uninhabited area...

That's why countries should be careful about going to war - Milosevic gambled on that thinking that nobody would do anything serious to stop him, and lost his gamble!

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

That's correct - it was not an apology because there is nothing to apologize for.
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The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Sure, generally speaking that's correct. But, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO did the above.
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To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets"
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Please provide the tape that we should roll to see Clark saying the above.
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This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Well, you have to provide the tape first :)

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO,"regrets civilian victims of its attack on Serbia"I,do not consider this viable apology.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

That's correct - it was not an apology because there is nothing to apologize for.
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The later one (intentionally,selecting and bombing civilian targets)is a gross violation of human rights by all international norms of conduct.Its by definition act of terrorism.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Sure, generally speaking that's correct. But, according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO did the above.
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To validate this statement roll the tape of news briefings in which NATO'S supreme commander at that time,Wesley Clark stated the following:Question by news reporter:Why did you bomb civilian targets? Answer by Clark:"We run-out of military targets"
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Please provide the tape that we should roll to see Clark saying the above.
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This criminal stain can not be removed from the face of this sinister organization without full apology and compensation to the victims.
(lukebuyenovich, 23 November 2015 09:43)

Well, you have to provide the tape first :)

lukebuyenovich

pre 8 godina

I'm not interested in swapping insults with anyone.Purpose of my comments are directed to those who can make a difference in conducting war and peace in troublesome Europe.Whatever did happen in disintegration of former Yugoslavia its recorded and archived.ICTY as promised, will pass the judgement on legality of bombing Serbia without consent of United Nations.

Jugoslavija

pre 8 godina

@Point of Contradiction

"When in Kosovo I went to see the home of Adem Jashari which came under attack by Serb forces, in that massacre 28 women and children were killed by overwhelming Serb forces"

ADEM Jasheri, the Albanian Muslim Islamic KLA terrorist was given 48 hours to surrender to the Yugoslav security services. That Islamic idiot sacrificed the lives of his family for his terrorist activities. He could have at least release the children instead of using them as shields. What a coward and these Kosovo Islamic KLA terrorists have the audacity to name an airport after this coward.

Point of Contradiction

pre 8 godina

ugoslavija, 24 November 2015 21:21)
Of course in your eyes Serbia never committed war crimes, but the rest of the world disagrees.
Serbia was forewarned about the attack on the Radio station that was used as a military communications center, but instead of evacuating all civilians they had low level people stay put to claim civilian deaths but were those deaths due to the actual bombs or the goals of a heinous dictator? Also the students in the cafe in Peja, killed by your own govt.
I guess it is a matter of opinion whether Jashari was a terrorist or a hero isn't it. To you all Albanians are terrorists so kind of clouds your opinion.

icj1

pre 8 godina

NATO targeted civilian targets pretending they had military significance.
(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18)

According to the UN the above is not the case, so since you are a nobody compared to the UN your statement can simply be ignored.
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Your defending of NATO's actions shows little sophistication in your cognitive/moral competence.
(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18)

I just pointed out that according to the UN, there is no evidence that NATO violated the laws of war during the bombing campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999. If you disagree, there is no point to tell that to me - I'm just the messenger. Direct your concerns to the UN!

think again

pre 8 godina

(Raisin Scone, 25 November 2015 12:18) No amount of talk is going to change your mind as it is set and unpenetratable as a 10 year old scone. But you have the facts wrong, yes NATO did target some "civilian" targets because they were in fact undercover military installations. The targeting of the Radio station was discussed many days by many people before it became an actual target, warning was given that it would be taken out, and Milosevic chose to put some disposable civilians in the way to try and propagandize the act.

I can see where you use the ISIS analogy because if you talk to any ISIS person they think their terrorist actions are righteous, just as daily the Serbs come on here and defend their actions in Yugoslavia.

peter

pre 8 godina

@icj1
You are probably one of those who get the info form CNN and Co. which leads me to believe you will justify the destruction of Iraq based on deliberately fabricated "evidence" as well as Libya chaos and then the Syria issue and all those other "great" things NATO had accomplished in the past 15 or so years which caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.Great job. And before visiting Serbian news sites to spread your BS maybe you could clean up your back yard first. I haven't seen your mentors Bush or Cheney being sent to Hague for their part in WMD fiasco.