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Wednesday, 25.02.2015.

11:53

"Croatia will block Serbia at cost of self-isolation"

Croatia has suffered a defeat in the EP in its efforts to use amendments to a resolution on Serbia to impose conditions for the country's EU integration.

Izvor: Tanjug

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handsomejack

pre 9 godina

"Croatia is nothing in the scheme of things. Yes, the Croat think they are important, but the simpletons are not. They will be told to shut up and do as they are told. But the best part is that they think it’s all a Serb fantasy – lads it’s no such thing.
(sj, 26 February 2015 12:14)"

That is a logical fallacy. If Croatia is nothing than what does that make Serbia? What is less than nothing? Perhaps a black hole? ;)

handsomejack

pre 9 godina

Haha, all the comments saying "that's okay, Serbia didn't want to join EU anyway". Pleases, majority of Serbian citizens DO want to join. Stop acting like you aren't interested.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

I forgot to add here that Slovenia failed to block Croatia's membership over the dispute of the Piran Bay because the rest of the EU told Slovenia to STFU and drop it. In effect, no veto.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

I totally agree... Serbia being prevented from joining the EU would be a win for Kosovo, as well.
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:13)
===========================
How so?

sj

pre 9 godina

Croatia is nothing in the scheme of things. Yes, the Croat think they are important, but the simpletons are not. They will be told to shut up and do as they are told. But the best part is that they think it’s all a Serb fantasy – lads it’s no such thing.

Bob

pre 9 godina

Unfortunately they (Croatia) may be so consumed with resentment and their own hang ups that they may defy logic in a self destructive way. To me, personally, they are doing us a favor as I don't support our integration into the EU. We are already behaving like a vassal state and it irks me. We also need them less than they need us and any move to block us is doing us a favor.

icj1

pre 9 godina

I hope they do. Any delay is welcome because if it's delayed long enough there is a chance that European situation will change and Serbia will be spared from becoming a colony. In the meantime Croatia will do itself demage. Win, win.
(Peggy, 25 February 2015 22:53)

I totally agree... Serbia being prevented from joining the EU would be a win for Kosovo, as well.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

I hope they do. Any delay is welcome because if it's delayed long enough there is a chance that European situation will change and Serbia will be spared from becoming a colony. In the meantime Croatia will do itself demage. Win, win.

polo fan

pre 9 godina

Croats want to play an important puppet role and pretend that they're important like when they ran Nazi concentration camps and when they were Austrian
bonafide and official horse groomers.

Bob

pre 9 godina

That's ok, Serbia doesn't need the EU; instead Serbia can have agreements on trade and travel with the EU like Norway does.
(The voice of Reason, 25 February 2015 14:00)

But Norway has natural resources and smart leaders and progressive ideals!

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Veto? Since full implementation of the Lisbon Treaty last October 2014, Only foreign policy requires unanimity, thus affords a veto - everything else is Qalified Majoirty Voting:


Article 16 of the "Treaty on European Union",[20] as amended by the Treaty of Lisbon, stipulates that the Council voting arrangements of the Nice Treaty applied until 31 October 2014. Moreover, until 31 March 2017, any member state can request that the Nice rules are used for a particular vote. Article 16 also states the conditions for a qualified majority, effective since 1 November 2014 (Lisbon rules):

Majority of countries: 55%, comprising at least 15 of them, if acting on a proposal from the Commission or from the High Representative, or else 72%, and
Majority of population: 65%.

A blocking minority requires—in addition to not meeting one of the two conditions above—that at least 4 countries (or, if not all countries participate in the vote, the minimum number of countries representing more than 35% of the population of the participating countries, plus one country) vote against the proposal. Thus, there may be cases where an act is passed, even though the population condition is not met. This precludes scenarios where 3 populous countries could block a decision against the other 24 countries.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Though just below there is this (though not verified):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union#Unanimity

Certain policy fields remain subject to unanimity in whole or in part, such as:

membership of the Union (opening of accession negotiations, association, serious violations of the Union's values, etc.);



As is usual with the EU, there is what is written down, and how it is actually implemented, or not as is often the case.

The voice of Reason

pre 9 godina

That's ok, Serbia doesn't need the EU; instead Serbia can have agreements on trade and travel with the EU like Norway does.

Tony (from Berlin)

pre 9 godina

The puppet Croatian MEPs will take heed of their German masters and after a bit of "show blockade" will give in in the end. After all, Germany wants to extend its sphere of influence in the Balkans beyond Croatia and the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metochia and the easiest way for them to do so is to get the rest of Serbia into the EU. Whoever controls Serbia controls the Western Balkans.

The voice of Reason

pre 9 godina

That's ok, Serbia doesn't need the EU; instead Serbia can have agreements on trade and travel with the EU like Norway does.

Bob

pre 9 godina

That's ok, Serbia doesn't need the EU; instead Serbia can have agreements on trade and travel with the EU like Norway does.
(The voice of Reason, 25 February 2015 14:00)

But Norway has natural resources and smart leaders and progressive ideals!

Tony (from Berlin)

pre 9 godina

The puppet Croatian MEPs will take heed of their German masters and after a bit of "show blockade" will give in in the end. After all, Germany wants to extend its sphere of influence in the Balkans beyond Croatia and the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metochia and the easiest way for them to do so is to get the rest of Serbia into the EU. Whoever controls Serbia controls the Western Balkans.

handsomejack

pre 9 godina

"Croatia is nothing in the scheme of things. Yes, the Croat think they are important, but the simpletons are not. They will be told to shut up and do as they are told. But the best part is that they think it’s all a Serb fantasy – lads it’s no such thing.
(sj, 26 February 2015 12:14)"

That is a logical fallacy. If Croatia is nothing than what does that make Serbia? What is less than nothing? Perhaps a black hole? ;)

Peggy

pre 9 godina

I hope they do. Any delay is welcome because if it's delayed long enough there is a chance that European situation will change and Serbia will be spared from becoming a colony. In the meantime Croatia will do itself demage. Win, win.

Bob

pre 9 godina

Unfortunately they (Croatia) may be so consumed with resentment and their own hang ups that they may defy logic in a self destructive way. To me, personally, they are doing us a favor as I don't support our integration into the EU. We are already behaving like a vassal state and it irks me. We also need them less than they need us and any move to block us is doing us a favor.

sj

pre 9 godina

Croatia is nothing in the scheme of things. Yes, the Croat think they are important, but the simpletons are not. They will be told to shut up and do as they are told. But the best part is that they think it’s all a Serb fantasy – lads it’s no such thing.

polo fan

pre 9 godina

Croats want to play an important puppet role and pretend that they're important like when they ran Nazi concentration camps and when they were Austrian
bonafide and official horse groomers.

handsomejack

pre 9 godina

Haha, all the comments saying "that's okay, Serbia didn't want to join EU anyway". Pleases, majority of Serbian citizens DO want to join. Stop acting like you aren't interested.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Though just below there is this (though not verified):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union#Unanimity

Certain policy fields remain subject to unanimity in whole or in part, such as:

membership of the Union (opening of accession negotiations, association, serious violations of the Union's values, etc.);



As is usual with the EU, there is what is written down, and how it is actually implemented, or not as is often the case.

icj1

pre 9 godina

I hope they do. Any delay is welcome because if it's delayed long enough there is a chance that European situation will change and Serbia will be spared from becoming a colony. In the meantime Croatia will do itself demage. Win, win.
(Peggy, 25 February 2015 22:53)

I totally agree... Serbia being prevented from joining the EU would be a win for Kosovo, as well.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Veto? Since full implementation of the Lisbon Treaty last October 2014, Only foreign policy requires unanimity, thus affords a veto - everything else is Qalified Majoirty Voting:


Article 16 of the "Treaty on European Union",[20] as amended by the Treaty of Lisbon, stipulates that the Council voting arrangements of the Nice Treaty applied until 31 October 2014. Moreover, until 31 March 2017, any member state can request that the Nice rules are used for a particular vote. Article 16 also states the conditions for a qualified majority, effective since 1 November 2014 (Lisbon rules):

Majority of countries: 55%, comprising at least 15 of them, if acting on a proposal from the Commission or from the High Representative, or else 72%, and
Majority of population: 65%.

A blocking minority requires—in addition to not meeting one of the two conditions above—that at least 4 countries (or, if not all countries participate in the vote, the minimum number of countries representing more than 35% of the population of the participating countries, plus one country) vote against the proposal. Thus, there may be cases where an act is passed, even though the population condition is not met. This precludes scenarios where 3 populous countries could block a decision against the other 24 countries.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

I totally agree... Serbia being prevented from joining the EU would be a win for Kosovo, as well.
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:13)
===========================
How so?

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

I forgot to add here that Slovenia failed to block Croatia's membership over the dispute of the Piran Bay because the rest of the EU told Slovenia to STFU and drop it. In effect, no veto.

The voice of Reason

pre 9 godina

That's ok, Serbia doesn't need the EU; instead Serbia can have agreements on trade and travel with the EU like Norway does.

Tony (from Berlin)

pre 9 godina

The puppet Croatian MEPs will take heed of their German masters and after a bit of "show blockade" will give in in the end. After all, Germany wants to extend its sphere of influence in the Balkans beyond Croatia and the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metochia and the easiest way for them to do so is to get the rest of Serbia into the EU. Whoever controls Serbia controls the Western Balkans.

polo fan

pre 9 godina

Croats want to play an important puppet role and pretend that they're important like when they ran Nazi concentration camps and when they were Austrian
bonafide and official horse groomers.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

I hope they do. Any delay is welcome because if it's delayed long enough there is a chance that European situation will change and Serbia will be spared from becoming a colony. In the meantime Croatia will do itself demage. Win, win.

sj

pre 9 godina

Croatia is nothing in the scheme of things. Yes, the Croat think they are important, but the simpletons are not. They will be told to shut up and do as they are told. But the best part is that they think it’s all a Serb fantasy – lads it’s no such thing.

Bob

pre 9 godina

That's ok, Serbia doesn't need the EU; instead Serbia can have agreements on trade and travel with the EU like Norway does.
(The voice of Reason, 25 February 2015 14:00)

But Norway has natural resources and smart leaders and progressive ideals!

Bob

pre 9 godina

Unfortunately they (Croatia) may be so consumed with resentment and their own hang ups that they may defy logic in a self destructive way. To me, personally, they are doing us a favor as I don't support our integration into the EU. We are already behaving like a vassal state and it irks me. We also need them less than they need us and any move to block us is doing us a favor.

Peggy

pre 9 godina

I totally agree... Serbia being prevented from joining the EU would be a win for Kosovo, as well.
(icj1, 26 February 2015 04:13)
===========================
How so?

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Veto? Since full implementation of the Lisbon Treaty last October 2014, Only foreign policy requires unanimity, thus affords a veto - everything else is Qalified Majoirty Voting:


Article 16 of the "Treaty on European Union",[20] as amended by the Treaty of Lisbon, stipulates that the Council voting arrangements of the Nice Treaty applied until 31 October 2014. Moreover, until 31 March 2017, any member state can request that the Nice rules are used for a particular vote. Article 16 also states the conditions for a qualified majority, effective since 1 November 2014 (Lisbon rules):

Majority of countries: 55%, comprising at least 15 of them, if acting on a proposal from the Commission or from the High Representative, or else 72%, and
Majority of population: 65%.

A blocking minority requires—in addition to not meeting one of the two conditions above—that at least 4 countries (or, if not all countries participate in the vote, the minimum number of countries representing more than 35% of the population of the participating countries, plus one country) vote against the proposal. Thus, there may be cases where an act is passed, even though the population condition is not met. This precludes scenarios where 3 populous countries could block a decision against the other 24 countries.

icj1

pre 9 godina

I hope they do. Any delay is welcome because if it's delayed long enough there is a chance that European situation will change and Serbia will be spared from becoming a colony. In the meantime Croatia will do itself demage. Win, win.
(Peggy, 25 February 2015 22:53)

I totally agree... Serbia being prevented from joining the EU would be a win for Kosovo, as well.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Though just below there is this (though not verified):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_the_Council_of_the_European_Union#Unanimity

Certain policy fields remain subject to unanimity in whole or in part, such as:

membership of the Union (opening of accession negotiations, association, serious violations of the Union's values, etc.);



As is usual with the EU, there is what is written down, and how it is actually implemented, or not as is often the case.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

I forgot to add here that Slovenia failed to block Croatia's membership over the dispute of the Piran Bay because the rest of the EU told Slovenia to STFU and drop it. In effect, no veto.

handsomejack

pre 9 godina

Haha, all the comments saying "that's okay, Serbia didn't want to join EU anyway". Pleases, majority of Serbian citizens DO want to join. Stop acting like you aren't interested.

handsomejack

pre 9 godina

"Croatia is nothing in the scheme of things. Yes, the Croat think they are important, but the simpletons are not. They will be told to shut up and do as they are told. But the best part is that they think it’s all a Serb fantasy – lads it’s no such thing.
(sj, 26 February 2015 12:14)"

That is a logical fallacy. If Croatia is nothing than what does that make Serbia? What is less than nothing? Perhaps a black hole? ;)