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Wednesday, 30.07.2014.

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"Western countries did not expect these results"

<a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/pressroom.php?yyyy=2014&mm=07&nav_id=91127" class="text-link" target= "_blank">The report of prosecutor Clint Williamson</a> represents "a surprise to Western governments, which did not expected positive results," says Dick Marty.

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Mladen

pre 9 godina

Too much semantics, hiding of evidence, destroying it, even murdering of the witnesses by the people who do not want to "clone another Vladimir".

Hipocrisy at its' best. It's fine to be a criminal, as long as you are albanian. No one else has the right to murder.

Kosovo i Metohija is Serbia. The sooner that fact is accepted by albanian immigrants in the region, the reconciliation will have a chance. Just as immigrant albanians believe in their twisted minds that they have the right to commit murder in order to steal the region from Serbia, Serbs have the right to defend it with every means available.

Let the Serbs from Kosovo i Metohija return to their homes and suddenly Kosovo will be Serbian land yet again.

By the sheer number of people.

Oh, by the way, how come almost 300 000 albanians have left the region already in the past three or four months and another HALF a MILLION is planning to do it before May???

Let them go and bring the expelled Serbs back. And THEN tell me that Kosovo i Metohija is not Serbian land.

I'll call you a liar.

icj1

pre 9 godina

The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.
(Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)

Mate, if any of "those persons" have committed crimes, the citizens of Kosovo have no problem with them going to jail - there are enough other people able to lead Kosovo. The citizens of Kosovo are not like our dear friend rote who wants to clone Vladimir :)

a New Day

pre 9 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)
Wonder What the justice system in the world would look like if we used your method of determining guilt. "I don't have any credible evidence but I believe you are guilty anyway so you deserve to die" But wait was not that the scourge of Milosevic through Kosovo, so how are you different from him. You think that Albanian blood in the body is all that you need to convict. You know of nothing personally Haradinaj did, you rely on the rumors of Serbs who never lie.
But his witness intimidation must be true because he did publish the names of all the witnesses that may take the stand against him, didn't he? Oh, wait I'm mistaken, that was a famous Serb who your group insists did nothing wrong. But he was only guilty of contempt of court right? there was no way he would have thought that any of his millions of followers would in any way "intimidate" these people he named.

Why not just use the methods use during the Salem Witchcraft Trials, bound them and throw them in the river, if they drown then they were innocent, but if they manage to survive then they must be guilty of witchcraft.
Haradinaj was found not guilty not once but twice at the Hague, now if you have evidence not just prejudice, then YOU should have given testimony at the Hague.
But I do agree that neither Thaci, nor Haradinaj, are the right choices to lead Kosovo, without the threat of Milosevic, but then with so many like you maybe I am wrong.

j

pre 9 godina

Well, the 'citizens of Kosovo' voted for exactly those persons, and maybe even Hardinaj who only was set free by The Hague because he eliminated all witnesses will become prime minister. Kosovo society and state is rotten from the bone. Conclusion: The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.
(Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)

Sounds like Serbia. Also thank you for being the decider on who deserves better and who doesn't. Just curious - how did you get this job?

Vlad

pre 9 godina

I admire the guy who fights against all for justice and be true to himself,the fact that the majority keeps saying it is not so does not make the thruth...RESPECT MR Marti areal man with the bolz !

some logic please?

pre 9 godina

@Commissar Parrot: "Referring to the Haradinaj case: I would use other words buz 'weak evidence' for a case where witnesses had car accidents, committed suicide, disappeared or refused to testify because their family was threatened."

The witness was run over in Montenegro by a Serbian driver. So the Serbian Secret services planted a witness and killed him before the trial since they couldn't produce a credible story for him, backed by evidence. By killing him before the trial, they could claim "witness intimidation". If they had left the trial take it's course, it's story would have fallen short in the trial and discredited as false and fabricated testimony.

Remember the onus for protecting witnesses falls on the prosecution, not the defendants. It is so in every modern justice system. And the prosecution in these cases have unlimited options and countries where to protect the witnesses.

Vlad

pre 9 godina

And also..perhaps thos "surprise" is facade and that the Intl community is tarting to have enough with the way some things are in the "new" Kosovo and time is ripe to dust off the files kept aside and bring about change...

raisin scone

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.
(Marko K., 30 July 2014 20:55)

It's hard to sue someone from jail. Besides, what about Williamson? Are these individuals going to sue him too? Sounds like desperation from the guilty.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"If the international community has evidence , bring it forward and let punish the guilty individuals.The problem is that (as in Haradinaj case) many times this cases have been very week, and put unnecessary burden on the accused persons by being started all over again.
(Brandon, 31 July 2014 02:05)

Referring to the Haradinaj case: I would use other words buz 'weak evidence' for a case where witnesses had car accidents, committed suicide, disappeared or refused to testify because their family was threatened.

raisin scone

pre 9 godina

It's time now we investigate the crimes Serbia did in Kosovo. Now that we have 10 people charged in Kosovo we need to see how many Serbs will be charged for their horrendous crimes they did to Kosovo Albanians.
(Mendo, 31 July 2014 02:34)
So, no Serbs have gone in front of a war crimes tribunal? This is news to me. The problem is that tolerance is being lost for those who pretend they are above the law. It's time the Albanian criminals get punished for the horrific crimes they committed. Stop pretending those thugs are innocent of any crimes. Killing even one person for organs is beyond the most disgusting horror novel. This is something even Hitler would have been disgusted by. Think about the people you are supporting before you speak.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

He also "expressed his hope that they will be brought to justice, because the citizens of Kosovo deserve that finally there are leaders with clean hands in the Kosovo politics."

Well, the 'citizens of Kosovo' voted for exactly those persons, and maybe even Hardinaj who only was set free by The Hague because he eliminated all witnesses will become prime minister. Kosovo society and state is rotten from the bone. Conclusion: The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

ZURICH -- The report of prosecutor Clint Williamson represents "a surprise to Western governments, which did not expected positive results," says Dick Marty.

Why surprise? Better say: The western governments didn't want to hear the truth that the KLA were committed war crimes, because later they supported the very same persons and groups who later turned into politicians and political parties to create the independent, multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo. And western governments are still in denial that the Kosovo project was a huge failure and they only created a mafia state where corrupt politicians fill their pockets and core only for their drug business while the ordinary people stayed amongst poorest in Europe and ethnic minorities are harassed and discriminated.

rote

pre 9 godina

A Russian saying runs WHATEVER LONG THE ROPE IS THE END WILL BE FOUND (СКОЛЬКО ВЕРЕВОЧКЕ НИ ВИТЬСЯ , А КОНЕЦ ВСЕГДА НАЙДЕТСЯ ) … So step by step the West decided to reveal the evident. Such a change threats not only to unmask the Albanians who always knew the truth but it threats Serbs as well because the Anglo-Sax have not stopped to be their mortal enemies. There we have a triangle where all sides mistrust each other. Obviously it’s a sequence of the events around Russia when Serbia for the first time in the recent history started to speak Serbian.

Brandon

pre 9 godina

Dick Marty Report made noice because of the claims of organ harvesting. Williamson while not flatly denying those allegations, found no evidence to support them. As far as the alleged war crimes are concerned, this is not news. Haradinaj and others have been before Hague. When there is a war terrible things happen.Although it will hurt initially, punishing the thugs that have used the Liberation war for their personal power, enrichment and vendettas will be beneficiary in the long term for the new Kosovo . Some people will try to put the equal sign between this sporadic events and the government of Serbia organized ethnic cleansing/genocide. It hasn't work, it will not work. The whole world knows the aggressor and the victim. Albanians have nothing to lose. If the international community has evidence , bring it forward and let punish the guilty individuals.The problem is that (as in Haradinaj case) many times this cases have been very week, and put unnecessary burden on the accused persons by being started all over again. I guess the double jeopardy concept is not something international law endorses.

Mendo

pre 9 godina

It's time now we investigate the crimes Serbia did in Kosovo. Now that we have 10 people charged in Kosovo we need to see how many Serbs will be charged for their horrendous crimes they did to Kosovo Albanians.

Navi

pre 9 godina

By the way when it comes to war crimes nobody comes close to Serbia.
(Avni, 30 July 2014 23:07)

I think the Germans, the Croats, the Turks, and ISIS have them beat by far.

Albo Troll Wranger

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.
(Marko K., 30 July 2014 20:55)

Yeah you go ahead and do that. The people accused of war crimes suing the person who successfully blew the whistle against their criminal enterprise. That ought to really improve Albanian image and reputation.

Brian

pre 9 godina

Now it happens when Serbia is treating Kosovo as a sovereign Nation with border guards customs agents ambassador pavicevic and Kosovo Serbs are voting on republic of Kosovo ballots and rakic unlike pantic campaigns on oaths to pristina.

Avni

pre 9 godina

Western countries did not expect these results. Really? Isn't Clint Williamson from the West? Dumb people say dumb things. By the way when it comes to war crimes nobody comes close to Serbia.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Isn't it funny when Hashim Thaci is hiding in real life, "Ian Uk" is hiding from B92? Quick to spew garbage on some made up genocide 100 years ago against the supposed majority Albanian population in Kosovo-Metohija at the time. Or we can't forget the laughable "one million Albanians ethnically cleansed" during the 90s.

And now it looks like some of Ians brothers in organ extraction are going to fall because not even your own governments can no longer be seen supporting such vile figures. I bet you miss the time when Paddy Ashdown, Bernard Kouchner and other twisted Serbophobes were more relevant, politically.

just an observation

pre 9 godina

Wrong again Dick Martinovic. You claimed hundreds of serbs were victims of organ extraction, and Williams proved you wrong. Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.
(the truth, 30 July 2014 17:16
Actually, you are wrong, Marty in his report stated that IF the rumor of organ harvesting were true, it was very small maybe in the 10s, definitely not the hundreds of individuals as Serbia was claiming.
But just as you see the opportunity to exploit such a claim is what is the focus. He claims to have evidence of war crimes that will result in indictments, but none of those have anything to do with organ harvesting. But the world is ignoring that and focusing on his statement that even though he has no concrete proof organ harvesting happened, no victims, no knowledge of who was responsible, but that more investigation may reveal evidence in the future(Do people really think this will be an open ended ongoing investigation that will never stop). That is what is gotten from this report.
There has always been speculation that it happened but there was NO evidence to prove it, today we learn that IF it happened it could of only been a handful of individuals that were victims but still there is not enough evidence to prove it is true.
What is really different today than last week? So you basically have him saying he cannot prove it did not happen, not that it did happen.

Peace

pre 9 godina

Maybe for the pro-russion paid stooge Dick Marty and Carla Delimporante, there should be an inqure for corruption and bribery by pro-russian, neo fascist parties in europe.

But I digress, KLA troops were a bunch of uneducated mountain thugs, saying they did organ trafficking is pure propaganda.

But in the end, what matters to me is Serbia will Never enter the EU as long as it has a problem with Kosovo. I take solace in that.

Maybe, the EU will experience a relapse, and restart middle age's style, incest relationships with the Tsardom or russia and the fascists in France, Germany and Italy.


Europe together with serbia and Russia, can go to hell.
There is always Turkey for us.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

If Western countries didn't expect these results, Albanian countries are in total shock.
(Navi, 30 July 2014 17:00)

There is only one Albanian country. After the luxury of outside support, you people will have to realize you can not take sovereign territory and call it your "country".

ned taylor

pre 9 godina

The Truth: I think it is early to say that Williamson has "proved" anything, although the figure who were killed for their organs is, in his opinion, considerably lower than the one given by Dick Marty. If it is indeed "less than ten people" who were killed then it may be hard to prove that this was a systematic crime but the families of those who died deserve to know the truth, not least who was behind the killing. It may well be that some low ranking member of the KLA actually did the killing but this would have been ordered from on high and a trained doctor would have had to be involved as well to ensure that the organs were properly harvested. The crunch will come if Thaci is indicted, then Kosovo will be stuck with a real dilemma; bury its head in the sand or cooperate with the EU, 22 of whose members have thus far supported its UDI and path to the EU, albeit that the latter is many years away even if full cooperation in this matter is forthcoming.

the actual truth

pre 9 godina

Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.
(the truth, 30 July 2014 17:16)

Nothing in comparison to the embarrassment that is the criminal led Kosovo government and the blind support it got from the US. Williamson and Martin are on the same page. Too bad you can't see that.

Marko K.

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.

What a LIAR?

pre 9 godina

------

All these accusations are politacally motivated or to better say geopolitically motivated.. the germans and in general the EU want to dominate the region at the expence of the USA. They wanted to show us albanians what they are capable of.. In otherwords they were saying to us that the USA and UK are weak and cannot protect you albanians. This was a blackmail from the continental power to us Albanians and to the Anglosaxons. Is because we Albanians have chosen the deep and eternal alliance with the US and UK, instead of that with the EU, that we are going through all of this mascarade and inhumane propaganda.

Anyway we don't care , we will always be faithfult to the USA, no matter what.

GOD BLESS the USA and GREAT BRITAIN too.

I have only one question at the end.. How come that these crimes are being judged as "war crimes" when all this have happened according to Marty the Dick and Williamson , "after the war"?? I cannot understand this..

So the war was clean according to Marty the Dick but the afterwar was dirty.. huh.. What a logic.. If this man want to blame someone blame he should blame international community and not us albanians.. We protected only our homes and people, and YES there was some act of revenge. But this was to be expected, after the mass killing and the ethnic cleansing.

What a LIAR?

pre 9 godina

This man is a buffoon, a well-paid one. Some european western countries were behind all of this since the begining of this story. They decided to back this serbian propoganda only because they wanted to oblige and force Kosovo-Albanians to sit at the negotiation table with the serbian side once again discussing the Kosovo internal administration (soverenity). No albanian alive would have sit in that table if it wasnt for these allegations.

This buffoon is saying that the western countries didn't know or expect this accusation... How they couldn't possibly know or expect this, when all the sources that are mentioned in the report that this man had prepared came moslty from fabricated western intelligence agencies. Espacially from the german Bnd.. Which at the time didn't have very good relations with Thaci. Several of bnd agents were arrested in Kosove before all of this mascarade. After these events Marty the Dick came out with these fabricated accusations. I doubt that any of these things would have come out if it wasn't for the conflict between Thaci and the Germans. to be continued..

Zoran

pre 9 godina

He also "expressed his hope that they will be brought to justice, because the citizens of Kosovo deserve that finally there are leaders with clean hands in the Kosovo politics."
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Judging by the comments I read here by our local ethnic Albanians, they don't want politicians with clean hands. They are quite happy and worship the dirty scumbags representing them.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Oh western countries knew something was going on, but they didn't want to know and deliberately turned a blind eye, something they've been doing since 1999.

the truth

pre 9 godina

"It means that everyone was convinced that Williamson will find no confirmation of the Marty report. Today, the opposite happened and I think that, diplomatically speaking, they are in a difficult situation, because now a court must be formed. "


Wrong again Dick Martinovic. You claimed hundreds of serbs were victims of organ extraction, and Williams proved you wrong. Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.

Zoran

pre 9 godina

He also "expressed his hope that they will be brought to justice, because the citizens of Kosovo deserve that finally there are leaders with clean hands in the Kosovo politics."
--
Judging by the comments I read here by our local ethnic Albanians, they don't want politicians with clean hands. They are quite happy and worship the dirty scumbags representing them.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Oh western countries knew something was going on, but they didn't want to know and deliberately turned a blind eye, something they've been doing since 1999.

the actual truth

pre 9 godina

Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.
(the truth, 30 July 2014 17:16)

Nothing in comparison to the embarrassment that is the criminal led Kosovo government and the blind support it got from the US. Williamson and Martin are on the same page. Too bad you can't see that.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

If Western countries didn't expect these results, Albanian countries are in total shock.
(Navi, 30 July 2014 17:00)

There is only one Albanian country. After the luxury of outside support, you people will have to realize you can not take sovereign territory and call it your "country".

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Isn't it funny when Hashim Thaci is hiding in real life, "Ian Uk" is hiding from B92? Quick to spew garbage on some made up genocide 100 years ago against the supposed majority Albanian population in Kosovo-Metohija at the time. Or we can't forget the laughable "one million Albanians ethnically cleansed" during the 90s.

And now it looks like some of Ians brothers in organ extraction are going to fall because not even your own governments can no longer be seen supporting such vile figures. I bet you miss the time when Paddy Ashdown, Bernard Kouchner and other twisted Serbophobes were more relevant, politically.

the truth

pre 9 godina

"It means that everyone was convinced that Williamson will find no confirmation of the Marty report. Today, the opposite happened and I think that, diplomatically speaking, they are in a difficult situation, because now a court must be formed. "


Wrong again Dick Martinovic. You claimed hundreds of serbs were victims of organ extraction, and Williams proved you wrong. Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.

Avni

pre 9 godina

Western countries did not expect these results. Really? Isn't Clint Williamson from the West? Dumb people say dumb things. By the way when it comes to war crimes nobody comes close to Serbia.

Albo Troll Wranger

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.
(Marko K., 30 July 2014 20:55)

Yeah you go ahead and do that. The people accused of war crimes suing the person who successfully blew the whistle against their criminal enterprise. That ought to really improve Albanian image and reputation.

Marko K.

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.

ned taylor

pre 9 godina

The Truth: I think it is early to say that Williamson has "proved" anything, although the figure who were killed for their organs is, in his opinion, considerably lower than the one given by Dick Marty. If it is indeed "less than ten people" who were killed then it may be hard to prove that this was a systematic crime but the families of those who died deserve to know the truth, not least who was behind the killing. It may well be that some low ranking member of the KLA actually did the killing but this would have been ordered from on high and a trained doctor would have had to be involved as well to ensure that the organs were properly harvested. The crunch will come if Thaci is indicted, then Kosovo will be stuck with a real dilemma; bury its head in the sand or cooperate with the EU, 22 of whose members have thus far supported its UDI and path to the EU, albeit that the latter is many years away even if full cooperation in this matter is forthcoming.

Navi

pre 9 godina

By the way when it comes to war crimes nobody comes close to Serbia.
(Avni, 30 July 2014 23:07)

I think the Germans, the Croats, the Turks, and ISIS have them beat by far.

What a LIAR?

pre 9 godina

------

All these accusations are politacally motivated or to better say geopolitically motivated.. the germans and in general the EU want to dominate the region at the expence of the USA. They wanted to show us albanians what they are capable of.. In otherwords they were saying to us that the USA and UK are weak and cannot protect you albanians. This was a blackmail from the continental power to us Albanians and to the Anglosaxons. Is because we Albanians have chosen the deep and eternal alliance with the US and UK, instead of that with the EU, that we are going through all of this mascarade and inhumane propaganda.

Anyway we don't care , we will always be faithfult to the USA, no matter what.

GOD BLESS the USA and GREAT BRITAIN too.

I have only one question at the end.. How come that these crimes are being judged as "war crimes" when all this have happened according to Marty the Dick and Williamson , "after the war"?? I cannot understand this..

So the war was clean according to Marty the Dick but the afterwar was dirty.. huh.. What a logic.. If this man want to blame someone blame he should blame international community and not us albanians.. We protected only our homes and people, and YES there was some act of revenge. But this was to be expected, after the mass killing and the ethnic cleansing.

just an observation

pre 9 godina

Wrong again Dick Martinovic. You claimed hundreds of serbs were victims of organ extraction, and Williams proved you wrong. Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.
(the truth, 30 July 2014 17:16
Actually, you are wrong, Marty in his report stated that IF the rumor of organ harvesting were true, it was very small maybe in the 10s, definitely not the hundreds of individuals as Serbia was claiming.
But just as you see the opportunity to exploit such a claim is what is the focus. He claims to have evidence of war crimes that will result in indictments, but none of those have anything to do with organ harvesting. But the world is ignoring that and focusing on his statement that even though he has no concrete proof organ harvesting happened, no victims, no knowledge of who was responsible, but that more investigation may reveal evidence in the future(Do people really think this will be an open ended ongoing investigation that will never stop). That is what is gotten from this report.
There has always been speculation that it happened but there was NO evidence to prove it, today we learn that IF it happened it could of only been a handful of individuals that were victims but still there is not enough evidence to prove it is true.
What is really different today than last week? So you basically have him saying he cannot prove it did not happen, not that it did happen.

Mendo

pre 9 godina

It's time now we investigate the crimes Serbia did in Kosovo. Now that we have 10 people charged in Kosovo we need to see how many Serbs will be charged for their horrendous crimes they did to Kosovo Albanians.

Brandon

pre 9 godina

Dick Marty Report made noice because of the claims of organ harvesting. Williamson while not flatly denying those allegations, found no evidence to support them. As far as the alleged war crimes are concerned, this is not news. Haradinaj and others have been before Hague. When there is a war terrible things happen.Although it will hurt initially, punishing the thugs that have used the Liberation war for their personal power, enrichment and vendettas will be beneficiary in the long term for the new Kosovo . Some people will try to put the equal sign between this sporadic events and the government of Serbia organized ethnic cleansing/genocide. It hasn't work, it will not work. The whole world knows the aggressor and the victim. Albanians have nothing to lose. If the international community has evidence , bring it forward and let punish the guilty individuals.The problem is that (as in Haradinaj case) many times this cases have been very week, and put unnecessary burden on the accused persons by being started all over again. I guess the double jeopardy concept is not something international law endorses.

rote

pre 9 godina

A Russian saying runs WHATEVER LONG THE ROPE IS THE END WILL BE FOUND (СКОЛЬКО ВЕРЕВОЧКЕ НИ ВИТЬСЯ , А КОНЕЦ ВСЕГДА НАЙДЕТСЯ ) … So step by step the West decided to reveal the evident. Such a change threats not only to unmask the Albanians who always knew the truth but it threats Serbs as well because the Anglo-Sax have not stopped to be their mortal enemies. There we have a triangle where all sides mistrust each other. Obviously it’s a sequence of the events around Russia when Serbia for the first time in the recent history started to speak Serbian.

some logic please?

pre 9 godina

@Commissar Parrot: "Referring to the Haradinaj case: I would use other words buz 'weak evidence' for a case where witnesses had car accidents, committed suicide, disappeared or refused to testify because their family was threatened."

The witness was run over in Montenegro by a Serbian driver. So the Serbian Secret services planted a witness and killed him before the trial since they couldn't produce a credible story for him, backed by evidence. By killing him before the trial, they could claim "witness intimidation". If they had left the trial take it's course, it's story would have fallen short in the trial and discredited as false and fabricated testimony.

Remember the onus for protecting witnesses falls on the prosecution, not the defendants. It is so in every modern justice system. And the prosecution in these cases have unlimited options and countries where to protect the witnesses.

What a LIAR?

pre 9 godina

This man is a buffoon, a well-paid one. Some european western countries were behind all of this since the begining of this story. They decided to back this serbian propoganda only because they wanted to oblige and force Kosovo-Albanians to sit at the negotiation table with the serbian side once again discussing the Kosovo internal administration (soverenity). No albanian alive would have sit in that table if it wasnt for these allegations.

This buffoon is saying that the western countries didn't know or expect this accusation... How they couldn't possibly know or expect this, when all the sources that are mentioned in the report that this man had prepared came moslty from fabricated western intelligence agencies. Espacially from the german Bnd.. Which at the time didn't have very good relations with Thaci. Several of bnd agents were arrested in Kosove before all of this mascarade. After these events Marty the Dick came out with these fabricated accusations. I doubt that any of these things would have come out if it wasn't for the conflict between Thaci and the Germans. to be continued..

Peace

pre 9 godina

Maybe for the pro-russion paid stooge Dick Marty and Carla Delimporante, there should be an inqure for corruption and bribery by pro-russian, neo fascist parties in europe.

But I digress, KLA troops were a bunch of uneducated mountain thugs, saying they did organ trafficking is pure propaganda.

But in the end, what matters to me is Serbia will Never enter the EU as long as it has a problem with Kosovo. I take solace in that.

Maybe, the EU will experience a relapse, and restart middle age's style, incest relationships with the Tsardom or russia and the fascists in France, Germany and Italy.


Europe together with serbia and Russia, can go to hell.
There is always Turkey for us.

j

pre 9 godina

Well, the 'citizens of Kosovo' voted for exactly those persons, and maybe even Hardinaj who only was set free by The Hague because he eliminated all witnesses will become prime minister. Kosovo society and state is rotten from the bone. Conclusion: The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.
(Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)

Sounds like Serbia. Also thank you for being the decider on who deserves better and who doesn't. Just curious - how did you get this job?

a New Day

pre 9 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)
Wonder What the justice system in the world would look like if we used your method of determining guilt. "I don't have any credible evidence but I believe you are guilty anyway so you deserve to die" But wait was not that the scourge of Milosevic through Kosovo, so how are you different from him. You think that Albanian blood in the body is all that you need to convict. You know of nothing personally Haradinaj did, you rely on the rumors of Serbs who never lie.
But his witness intimidation must be true because he did publish the names of all the witnesses that may take the stand against him, didn't he? Oh, wait I'm mistaken, that was a famous Serb who your group insists did nothing wrong. But he was only guilty of contempt of court right? there was no way he would have thought that any of his millions of followers would in any way "intimidate" these people he named.

Why not just use the methods use during the Salem Witchcraft Trials, bound them and throw them in the river, if they drown then they were innocent, but if they manage to survive then they must be guilty of witchcraft.
Haradinaj was found not guilty not once but twice at the Hague, now if you have evidence not just prejudice, then YOU should have given testimony at the Hague.
But I do agree that neither Thaci, nor Haradinaj, are the right choices to lead Kosovo, without the threat of Milosevic, but then with so many like you maybe I am wrong.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

ZURICH -- The report of prosecutor Clint Williamson represents "a surprise to Western governments, which did not expected positive results," says Dick Marty.

Why surprise? Better say: The western governments didn't want to hear the truth that the KLA were committed war crimes, because later they supported the very same persons and groups who later turned into politicians and political parties to create the independent, multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo. And western governments are still in denial that the Kosovo project was a huge failure and they only created a mafia state where corrupt politicians fill their pockets and core only for their drug business while the ordinary people stayed amongst poorest in Europe and ethnic minorities are harassed and discriminated.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"If the international community has evidence , bring it forward and let punish the guilty individuals.The problem is that (as in Haradinaj case) many times this cases have been very week, and put unnecessary burden on the accused persons by being started all over again.
(Brandon, 31 July 2014 02:05)

Referring to the Haradinaj case: I would use other words buz 'weak evidence' for a case where witnesses had car accidents, committed suicide, disappeared or refused to testify because their family was threatened.

Vlad

pre 9 godina

I admire the guy who fights against all for justice and be true to himself,the fact that the majority keeps saying it is not so does not make the thruth...RESPECT MR Marti areal man with the bolz !

raisin scone

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.
(Marko K., 30 July 2014 20:55)

It's hard to sue someone from jail. Besides, what about Williamson? Are these individuals going to sue him too? Sounds like desperation from the guilty.

Vlad

pre 9 godina

And also..perhaps thos "surprise" is facade and that the Intl community is tarting to have enough with the way some things are in the "new" Kosovo and time is ripe to dust off the files kept aside and bring about change...

Brian

pre 9 godina

Now it happens when Serbia is treating Kosovo as a sovereign Nation with border guards customs agents ambassador pavicevic and Kosovo Serbs are voting on republic of Kosovo ballots and rakic unlike pantic campaigns on oaths to pristina.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

He also "expressed his hope that they will be brought to justice, because the citizens of Kosovo deserve that finally there are leaders with clean hands in the Kosovo politics."

Well, the 'citizens of Kosovo' voted for exactly those persons, and maybe even Hardinaj who only was set free by The Hague because he eliminated all witnesses will become prime minister. Kosovo society and state is rotten from the bone. Conclusion: The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.

icj1

pre 9 godina

The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.
(Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)

Mate, if any of "those persons" have committed crimes, the citizens of Kosovo have no problem with them going to jail - there are enough other people able to lead Kosovo. The citizens of Kosovo are not like our dear friend rote who wants to clone Vladimir :)

raisin scone

pre 9 godina

It's time now we investigate the crimes Serbia did in Kosovo. Now that we have 10 people charged in Kosovo we need to see how many Serbs will be charged for their horrendous crimes they did to Kosovo Albanians.
(Mendo, 31 July 2014 02:34)
So, no Serbs have gone in front of a war crimes tribunal? This is news to me. The problem is that tolerance is being lost for those who pretend they are above the law. It's time the Albanian criminals get punished for the horrific crimes they committed. Stop pretending those thugs are innocent of any crimes. Killing even one person for organs is beyond the most disgusting horror novel. This is something even Hitler would have been disgusted by. Think about the people you are supporting before you speak.

Mladen

pre 9 godina

Too much semantics, hiding of evidence, destroying it, even murdering of the witnesses by the people who do not want to "clone another Vladimir".

Hipocrisy at its' best. It's fine to be a criminal, as long as you are albanian. No one else has the right to murder.

Kosovo i Metohija is Serbia. The sooner that fact is accepted by albanian immigrants in the region, the reconciliation will have a chance. Just as immigrant albanians believe in their twisted minds that they have the right to commit murder in order to steal the region from Serbia, Serbs have the right to defend it with every means available.

Let the Serbs from Kosovo i Metohija return to their homes and suddenly Kosovo will be Serbian land yet again.

By the sheer number of people.

Oh, by the way, how come almost 300 000 albanians have left the region already in the past three or four months and another HALF a MILLION is planning to do it before May???

Let them go and bring the expelled Serbs back. And THEN tell me that Kosovo i Metohija is not Serbian land.

I'll call you a liar.

the truth

pre 9 godina

"It means that everyone was convinced that Williamson will find no confirmation of the Marty report. Today, the opposite happened and I think that, diplomatically speaking, they are in a difficult situation, because now a court must be formed. "


Wrong again Dick Martinovic. You claimed hundreds of serbs were victims of organ extraction, and Williams proved you wrong. Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.

What a LIAR?

pre 9 godina

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All these accusations are politacally motivated or to better say geopolitically motivated.. the germans and in general the EU want to dominate the region at the expence of the USA. They wanted to show us albanians what they are capable of.. In otherwords they were saying to us that the USA and UK are weak and cannot protect you albanians. This was a blackmail from the continental power to us Albanians and to the Anglosaxons. Is because we Albanians have chosen the deep and eternal alliance with the US and UK, instead of that with the EU, that we are going through all of this mascarade and inhumane propaganda.

Anyway we don't care , we will always be faithfult to the USA, no matter what.

GOD BLESS the USA and GREAT BRITAIN too.

I have only one question at the end.. How come that these crimes are being judged as "war crimes" when all this have happened according to Marty the Dick and Williamson , "after the war"?? I cannot understand this..

So the war was clean according to Marty the Dick but the afterwar was dirty.. huh.. What a logic.. If this man want to blame someone blame he should blame international community and not us albanians.. We protected only our homes and people, and YES there was some act of revenge. But this was to be expected, after the mass killing and the ethnic cleansing.

Marko K.

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.

Peace

pre 9 godina

Maybe for the pro-russion paid stooge Dick Marty and Carla Delimporante, there should be an inqure for corruption and bribery by pro-russian, neo fascist parties in europe.

But I digress, KLA troops were a bunch of uneducated mountain thugs, saying they did organ trafficking is pure propaganda.

But in the end, what matters to me is Serbia will Never enter the EU as long as it has a problem with Kosovo. I take solace in that.

Maybe, the EU will experience a relapse, and restart middle age's style, incest relationships with the Tsardom or russia and the fascists in France, Germany and Italy.


Europe together with serbia and Russia, can go to hell.
There is always Turkey for us.

Avni

pre 9 godina

Western countries did not expect these results. Really? Isn't Clint Williamson from the West? Dumb people say dumb things. By the way when it comes to war crimes nobody comes close to Serbia.

What a LIAR?

pre 9 godina

This man is a buffoon, a well-paid one. Some european western countries were behind all of this since the begining of this story. They decided to back this serbian propoganda only because they wanted to oblige and force Kosovo-Albanians to sit at the negotiation table with the serbian side once again discussing the Kosovo internal administration (soverenity). No albanian alive would have sit in that table if it wasnt for these allegations.

This buffoon is saying that the western countries didn't know or expect this accusation... How they couldn't possibly know or expect this, when all the sources that are mentioned in the report that this man had prepared came moslty from fabricated western intelligence agencies. Espacially from the german Bnd.. Which at the time didn't have very good relations with Thaci. Several of bnd agents were arrested in Kosove before all of this mascarade. After these events Marty the Dick came out with these fabricated accusations. I doubt that any of these things would have come out if it wasn't for the conflict between Thaci and the Germans. to be continued..

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

If Western countries didn't expect these results, Albanian countries are in total shock.
(Navi, 30 July 2014 17:00)

There is only one Albanian country. After the luxury of outside support, you people will have to realize you can not take sovereign territory and call it your "country".

Zoran

pre 9 godina

He also "expressed his hope that they will be brought to justice, because the citizens of Kosovo deserve that finally there are leaders with clean hands in the Kosovo politics."
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Judging by the comments I read here by our local ethnic Albanians, they don't want politicians with clean hands. They are quite happy and worship the dirty scumbags representing them.

Mendo

pre 9 godina

It's time now we investigate the crimes Serbia did in Kosovo. Now that we have 10 people charged in Kosovo we need to see how many Serbs will be charged for their horrendous crimes they did to Kosovo Albanians.

Ari Gold

pre 9 godina

Isn't it funny when Hashim Thaci is hiding in real life, "Ian Uk" is hiding from B92? Quick to spew garbage on some made up genocide 100 years ago against the supposed majority Albanian population in Kosovo-Metohija at the time. Or we can't forget the laughable "one million Albanians ethnically cleansed" during the 90s.

And now it looks like some of Ians brothers in organ extraction are going to fall because not even your own governments can no longer be seen supporting such vile figures. I bet you miss the time when Paddy Ashdown, Bernard Kouchner and other twisted Serbophobes were more relevant, politically.

EU Dude

pre 9 godina

Oh western countries knew something was going on, but they didn't want to know and deliberately turned a blind eye, something they've been doing since 1999.

just an observation

pre 9 godina

Wrong again Dick Martinovic. You claimed hundreds of serbs were victims of organ extraction, and Williams proved you wrong. Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.
(the truth, 30 July 2014 17:16
Actually, you are wrong, Marty in his report stated that IF the rumor of organ harvesting were true, it was very small maybe in the 10s, definitely not the hundreds of individuals as Serbia was claiming.
But just as you see the opportunity to exploit such a claim is what is the focus. He claims to have evidence of war crimes that will result in indictments, but none of those have anything to do with organ harvesting. But the world is ignoring that and focusing on his statement that even though he has no concrete proof organ harvesting happened, no victims, no knowledge of who was responsible, but that more investigation may reveal evidence in the future(Do people really think this will be an open ended ongoing investigation that will never stop). That is what is gotten from this report.
There has always been speculation that it happened but there was NO evidence to prove it, today we learn that IF it happened it could of only been a handful of individuals that were victims but still there is not enough evidence to prove it is true.
What is really different today than last week? So you basically have him saying he cannot prove it did not happen, not that it did happen.

Albo Troll Wranger

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.
(Marko K., 30 July 2014 20:55)

Yeah you go ahead and do that. The people accused of war crimes suing the person who successfully blew the whistle against their criminal enterprise. That ought to really improve Albanian image and reputation.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

ZURICH -- The report of prosecutor Clint Williamson represents "a surprise to Western governments, which did not expected positive results," says Dick Marty.

Why surprise? Better say: The western governments didn't want to hear the truth that the KLA were committed war crimes, because later they supported the very same persons and groups who later turned into politicians and political parties to create the independent, multi-ethnic dream state of Kosovo. And western governments are still in denial that the Kosovo project was a huge failure and they only created a mafia state where corrupt politicians fill their pockets and core only for their drug business while the ordinary people stayed amongst poorest in Europe and ethnic minorities are harassed and discriminated.

the actual truth

pre 9 godina

Clint is a diplomat and used the language to protect you from law suit and huge embarrassment. Nothing to be pleased if I were you.
(the truth, 30 July 2014 17:16)

Nothing in comparison to the embarrassment that is the criminal led Kosovo government and the blind support it got from the US. Williamson and Martin are on the same page. Too bad you can't see that.

Navi

pre 9 godina

By the way when it comes to war crimes nobody comes close to Serbia.
(Avni, 30 July 2014 23:07)

I think the Germans, the Croats, the Turks, and ISIS have them beat by far.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

He also "expressed his hope that they will be brought to justice, because the citizens of Kosovo deserve that finally there are leaders with clean hands in the Kosovo politics."

Well, the 'citizens of Kosovo' voted for exactly those persons, and maybe even Hardinaj who only was set free by The Hague because he eliminated all witnesses will become prime minister. Kosovo society and state is rotten from the bone. Conclusion: The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 9 godina

"If the international community has evidence , bring it forward and let punish the guilty individuals.The problem is that (as in Haradinaj case) many times this cases have been very week, and put unnecessary burden on the accused persons by being started all over again.
(Brandon, 31 July 2014 02:05)

Referring to the Haradinaj case: I would use other words buz 'weak evidence' for a case where witnesses had car accidents, committed suicide, disappeared or refused to testify because their family was threatened.

Vlad

pre 9 godina

I admire the guy who fights against all for justice and be true to himself,the fact that the majority keeps saying it is not so does not make the thruth...RESPECT MR Marti areal man with the bolz !

Brian

pre 9 godina

Now it happens when Serbia is treating Kosovo as a sovereign Nation with border guards customs agents ambassador pavicevic and Kosovo Serbs are voting on republic of Kosovo ballots and rakic unlike pantic campaigns on oaths to pristina.

raisin scone

pre 9 godina

It's time now we investigate the crimes Serbia did in Kosovo. Now that we have 10 people charged in Kosovo we need to see how many Serbs will be charged for their horrendous crimes they did to Kosovo Albanians.
(Mendo, 31 July 2014 02:34)
So, no Serbs have gone in front of a war crimes tribunal? This is news to me. The problem is that tolerance is being lost for those who pretend they are above the law. It's time the Albanian criminals get punished for the horrific crimes they committed. Stop pretending those thugs are innocent of any crimes. Killing even one person for organs is beyond the most disgusting horror novel. This is something even Hitler would have been disgusted by. Think about the people you are supporting before you speak.

ned taylor

pre 9 godina

The Truth: I think it is early to say that Williamson has "proved" anything, although the figure who were killed for their organs is, in his opinion, considerably lower than the one given by Dick Marty. If it is indeed "less than ten people" who were killed then it may be hard to prove that this was a systematic crime but the families of those who died deserve to know the truth, not least who was behind the killing. It may well be that some low ranking member of the KLA actually did the killing but this would have been ordered from on high and a trained doctor would have had to be involved as well to ensure that the organs were properly harvested. The crunch will come if Thaci is indicted, then Kosovo will be stuck with a real dilemma; bury its head in the sand or cooperate with the EU, 22 of whose members have thus far supported its UDI and path to the EU, albeit that the latter is many years away even if full cooperation in this matter is forthcoming.

rote

pre 9 godina

A Russian saying runs WHATEVER LONG THE ROPE IS THE END WILL BE FOUND (СКОЛЬКО ВЕРЕВОЧКЕ НИ ВИТЬСЯ , А КОНЕЦ ВСЕГДА НАЙДЕТСЯ ) … So step by step the West decided to reveal the evident. Such a change threats not only to unmask the Albanians who always knew the truth but it threats Serbs as well because the Anglo-Sax have not stopped to be their mortal enemies. There we have a triangle where all sides mistrust each other. Obviously it’s a sequence of the events around Russia when Serbia for the first time in the recent history started to speak Serbian.

Vlad

pre 9 godina

And also..perhaps thos "surprise" is facade and that the Intl community is tarting to have enough with the way some things are in the "new" Kosovo and time is ripe to dust off the files kept aside and bring about change...

some logic please?

pre 9 godina

@Commissar Parrot: "Referring to the Haradinaj case: I would use other words buz 'weak evidence' for a case where witnesses had car accidents, committed suicide, disappeared or refused to testify because their family was threatened."

The witness was run over in Montenegro by a Serbian driver. So the Serbian Secret services planted a witness and killed him before the trial since they couldn't produce a credible story for him, backed by evidence. By killing him before the trial, they could claim "witness intimidation". If they had left the trial take it's course, it's story would have fallen short in the trial and discredited as false and fabricated testimony.

Remember the onus for protecting witnesses falls on the prosecution, not the defendants. It is so in every modern justice system. And the prosecution in these cases have unlimited options and countries where to protect the witnesses.

icj1

pre 9 godina

The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.
(Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)

Mate, if any of "those persons" have committed crimes, the citizens of Kosovo have no problem with them going to jail - there are enough other people able to lead Kosovo. The citizens of Kosovo are not like our dear friend rote who wants to clone Vladimir :)

Brandon

pre 9 godina

Dick Marty Report made noice because of the claims of organ harvesting. Williamson while not flatly denying those allegations, found no evidence to support them. As far as the alleged war crimes are concerned, this is not news. Haradinaj and others have been before Hague. When there is a war terrible things happen.Although it will hurt initially, punishing the thugs that have used the Liberation war for their personal power, enrichment and vendettas will be beneficiary in the long term for the new Kosovo . Some people will try to put the equal sign between this sporadic events and the government of Serbia organized ethnic cleansing/genocide. It hasn't work, it will not work. The whole world knows the aggressor and the victim. Albanians have nothing to lose. If the international community has evidence , bring it forward and let punish the guilty individuals.The problem is that (as in Haradinaj case) many times this cases have been very week, and put unnecessary burden on the accused persons by being started all over again. I guess the double jeopardy concept is not something international law endorses.

raisin scone

pre 9 godina

A law suit is now being prepared against Dick Marty for defamation of character, the names of the accused are being withheld till Marty reveals their names. This bungling fool Marty will be taught a lesson he will never forget. It will also be proven at the appropriate time that Marty has been in the pay of the Serbian gov't.
(Marko K., 30 July 2014 20:55)

It's hard to sue someone from jail. Besides, what about Williamson? Are these individuals going to sue him too? Sounds like desperation from the guilty.

j

pre 9 godina

Well, the 'citizens of Kosovo' voted for exactly those persons, and maybe even Hardinaj who only was set free by The Hague because he eliminated all witnesses will become prime minister. Kosovo society and state is rotten from the bone. Conclusion: The Citizens of Kosovo want those persons, and don't deserve anything better, and have to live with the consequences.
(Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)

Sounds like Serbia. Also thank you for being the decider on who deserves better and who doesn't. Just curious - how did you get this job?

a New Day

pre 9 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 31 July 2014 12:52)
Wonder What the justice system in the world would look like if we used your method of determining guilt. "I don't have any credible evidence but I believe you are guilty anyway so you deserve to die" But wait was not that the scourge of Milosevic through Kosovo, so how are you different from him. You think that Albanian blood in the body is all that you need to convict. You know of nothing personally Haradinaj did, you rely on the rumors of Serbs who never lie.
But his witness intimidation must be true because he did publish the names of all the witnesses that may take the stand against him, didn't he? Oh, wait I'm mistaken, that was a famous Serb who your group insists did nothing wrong. But he was only guilty of contempt of court right? there was no way he would have thought that any of his millions of followers would in any way "intimidate" these people he named.

Why not just use the methods use during the Salem Witchcraft Trials, bound them and throw them in the river, if they drown then they were innocent, but if they manage to survive then they must be guilty of witchcraft.
Haradinaj was found not guilty not once but twice at the Hague, now if you have evidence not just prejudice, then YOU should have given testimony at the Hague.
But I do agree that neither Thaci, nor Haradinaj, are the right choices to lead Kosovo, without the threat of Milosevic, but then with so many like you maybe I am wrong.

Mladen

pre 9 godina

Too much semantics, hiding of evidence, destroying it, even murdering of the witnesses by the people who do not want to "clone another Vladimir".

Hipocrisy at its' best. It's fine to be a criminal, as long as you are albanian. No one else has the right to murder.

Kosovo i Metohija is Serbia. The sooner that fact is accepted by albanian immigrants in the region, the reconciliation will have a chance. Just as immigrant albanians believe in their twisted minds that they have the right to commit murder in order to steal the region from Serbia, Serbs have the right to defend it with every means available.

Let the Serbs from Kosovo i Metohija return to their homes and suddenly Kosovo will be Serbian land yet again.

By the sheer number of people.

Oh, by the way, how come almost 300 000 albanians have left the region already in the past three or four months and another HALF a MILLION is planning to do it before May???

Let them go and bring the expelled Serbs back. And THEN tell me that Kosovo i Metohija is not Serbian land.

I'll call you a liar.