PM: Priština "directly obstructing" deal

Is this guy normal or insane?
Have u gone to Hungary to open the election campain for serb minority there?NO!Did Hashim Thaci or Sali Berisha came in Preshevo to open the election campain there?No, because the Constitution of Hungary and Serbia does not allow it, so do all the constitutions of all countries including the Constitution of Kosovo.
Get over Kosovo issue, because u'll end up only with the vilayet of Belgrade in the end.

Maybe you shouldn't have agreed to Kosovan border security. After a deal has been made, the E.U tightens the screws even more. I still wonder why a guy like Dacic is leading the country. People seem to forget what him and Milosevic did to the country.

He agreed in Brussels that elections are to be held according to Kosovo's Laws. Elections in Kosovo are internal. Why is Dacic trying to get involved into other countries elections. It is as if Dacic went to Germany during their elections...

Did I miss anything?

Where abouts in the deal does it say that Dacic must be allowed to visit Kosovo to lobby face-to-face with K-Serbs to vote in the local Kosovan elections?

" It is as if Dacic went to Germany during their elections...
Did I miss anything?"

"Have u gone to Hungary to open the election..."

"...so do all the constitutions of all countries including the Constitution of Kosovo. "

I think that's exactly the point that some of you are missing. Germany and Hungary are countries, but Brussels agreement is status neutral and does not see Kosovo as a country nor as a province of Serbia. To Brussels elections in Kosovo are a chance to get Kosovo parliament with elected representatives of north included.
To Albanians this parliament will govern independent country of Kosovo.
To Serbs elected parliament will govern autonomous part of Serbia.
Brussels agreement is officially neutral on this issue.
Kosovo is Kosovo, weather is independent, or part of Serbia.

There is no reason why Premier of Serbia shouldn't be able to visit any part of Serbia for campaign.
Imagine if some of US states wouldn't allow entry to Obama during campaign for local governor with excuse that Obama is not from that state nor is running in local elections?
I understand that you see it as visit to Germany or Hungary, as this is your view.
But Brussels shouldn't see it that way. If it does it's not status neutral.

Mr. Prime Minister:

You seem to forget that Kosovo has declared independence and considers itself sovereign while you insist that is still part of Serbia. Its not your fault 100% as Europe is to blame for this mess. EU had to be clear and It should make it perfectly clear to you that you can not proceed forward with a false hope. You can not go to Brussels and claim Kosovo is Serbia when majority of the EU has recognized Kosovo as a state. Anyway Serbia has to cleanse itself from it devilish past so that it can start a healthy future. You cant have peace while denying the existence of your neighbor. Otherwise our countries will become another North and South Korea. Ready to go to war at moments notice. Is this really what Serbia wants. I assure that 99.9999% of the Kosovar Albanians would rather live in isolation than join Serbia again.

"Is this guy normal or insane?
Have u gone to Hungary to open the election campain for serb minority there?NO!Did Hashim Thaci or Sali Berisha came in Preshevo to open the election campain there?
(Mirel from Albania, 4 October 2013 16:39)

Hungary -> Country
Serbia -> Country
Kosovo -> Unrecognized entity with disputed status

See? Btw, I don't think Hungary would ban a Sebian politician from entering its territory.

Why did they ban him in the first place I don't understand at all!

That is You are a Looser !.

Arn.Sweden.

Mr.X you can live in isolation with our blessing. Perhaps we can supply you with a map showing you the road to Albania where you can wallow amongst all those other arrogant racists who spend their time slagging off Serbs and Serbia. The truth of whats been going on in Kosovo over the last decades to the Serbian minority will eventually come out and your pretence of being the victims will be exposed for the sanctimonious hipocracy it really is.

@Sreten,
I assume Serbian government has misinformed its people about Kosova local elections.These elections have nothing to do with parliament. These elections will elect the mayors and counselors in Municipalities.
I have never seen a US President coming to campaign for a Mayor.

I think that's exactly the point that some of you are missing. Germany and Hungary are countries, but Brussels agreement is status neutral and does not see Kosovo as a country nor as a province of Serbia.

There is no reason why Premier of Serbia shouldn't be able to visit any part of Serbia for campaign.
(Sreten, 4 October 2013 18:41)

Absolutely correct... the Premier of Serbia should be able to visit any part of Serbia. However, Kosovo is not a province of Serbia as you correctly said.
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Imagine if some of US states wouldn't allow entry to Obama during campaign for local governor with excuse that Obama is not from that state nor is running in local elections?
(Sreten, 4 October 2013 18:41)

Indeed they can't prevent him because those states are states of USA, whereas Kosovo is not a province of Serbia, as you correctly said

"You can not go to Brussels and claim Kosovo is Serbia when majority of the EU has recognized Kosovo as a state."
(Mr.X, 4 October 2013 20:54)

Why not? Just like Mr 'voted by 115% as prime minister' Thaci can go to Brussels, claiming that Kosovo is an 'independent' country. The EU has a status neutral approach, it doesn't recognize Kosovo, nor does it say Kosovo is part of Serbia. It's up to the individual member states to recognize Kosovo as a country. And, as you said, the majority (22 out of 27) did so, 5 EU member states did not.

To sum up: Kosovo is a disputed territory, like Taiwan, Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia and a handful more countries (or non-countries), it cannot be found in the list of the 193 UN member states.

"He noted that top European officials had urgently reacted to "some bans brought in Serbia recently," but that "nobody has yet reacted to this." "

Ha, ha, ha... For Ivica, if something is a called a "ban" that is the same thing, regardless of what the "ban" is about!!! Ivica entering Kosovo or any other country is not Ivica's right. It's a privilege that may or may not be granted to him.

Hungary -> Country
Serbia -> Country
Kosovo -> Unrecognized entity with disputed status
(Questioner, 4 October 2013 18:22)

a few other examples
Kosovo -> status disputed by Zimbabwe
Serbia -> status disputed by Kosovo
Abkhazia -> status disputed by Georgia
Georgia -> status disputed by South Ossetia

and so on we can find that almost everything is disputed in this world by somebody somewhere... let me know if you want to spend the rest of your life listing what's disputed and by whom but not sure what's the purpose :)

Great discussion between Serbs and Albanians in the comments. Keep it up guys... Peace will prevail in the end.

At least Dacic says it like it is!

I like the guy and think he is a good Prime Minister.

Unlike the say one thing but mean another thing group.

To sum up: Kosovo is a disputed territory, like Taiwan, Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia and a handful more countries (or non-countries), it cannot be found in the list of the 193 UN member states.
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 October 2013 18:49)

There are many countries in the list of 193 UN member states that Serbs consider fake countries (because they recognized Kosovo).

Not to mention that, for example, Ukraine was a UN member for 45 years, but was much less independent (as a matter of fact, not independent at ll) then what Kosovo is today.

Bottom line, in the choice between having the label of "undisputed UN member under Serbia" and "disputed territory but independent from Serbia", Kosovo will always be happy with the latter. Serbia is certainly welcome to be happy with the former - that's Serbia's business.

The US, EU, Serbia and Kosovo...just a merry-go-round. Albanians settled in Serbia by their thousands then after many decades have claimed Kosovo as part of Albania. Why don't the Albanians claim Serbia whole as i'm sure the US & The EU would let them.

Sreten,

The point that serbia agreed to is to hold elections based on "kosovo laws". The kosovo laws make up the principle that it is an independent state. During elections, it is a kosovo responsibility and it can choose who can enter kosovo for "elections".

I agree that serbian officials should not be banned for visiting kosovo serbs for non political reasons.

Again, what is Pristina's problem with Dacic entering Kosovo, he is from Prizren, they said he could have a Kosovo passport, as far as Pristina is concerend he is a citizen entering his own country! Sounds like a violation of EU freedom of movement.

Is this guy normal or insane?
Have u gone to Hungary to open the election campain for serb minority there?NO!Did Hashim Thaci or Sali Berisha came in Preshevo to open the election campain there?No, because the Constitution of Hungary and Serbia does not allow it, so do all the constitutions of all countries including the Constitution of Kosovo.
Get over Kosovo issue, because u'll end up only with the vilayet of Belgrade in the end.

Where abouts in the deal does it say that Dacic must be allowed to visit Kosovo to lobby face-to-face with K-Serbs to vote in the local Kosovan elections?

"Is this guy normal or insane?
Have u gone to Hungary to open the election campain for serb minority there?NO!Did Hashim Thaci or Sali Berisha came in Preshevo to open the election campain there?
(Mirel from Albania, 4 October 2013 16:39)

Hungary -> Country
Serbia -> Country
Kosovo -> Unrecognized entity with disputed status

See? Btw, I don't think Hungary would ban a Sebian politician from entering its territory.

He agreed in Brussels that elections are to be held according to Kosovo's Laws. Elections in Kosovo are internal. Why is Dacic trying to get involved into other countries elections. It is as if Dacic went to Germany during their elections...

Did I miss anything?

Mr. Prime Minister:

You seem to forget that Kosovo has declared independence and considers itself sovereign while you insist that is still part of Serbia. Its not your fault 100% as Europe is to blame for this mess. EU had to be clear and It should make it perfectly clear to you that you can not proceed forward with a false hope. You can not go to Brussels and claim Kosovo is Serbia when majority of the EU has recognized Kosovo as a state. Anyway Serbia has to cleanse itself from it devilish past so that it can start a healthy future. You cant have peace while denying the existence of your neighbor. Otherwise our countries will become another North and South Korea. Ready to go to war at moments notice. Is this really what Serbia wants. I assure that 99.9999% of the Kosovar Albanians would rather live in isolation than join Serbia again.

Why did they ban him in the first place I don't understand at all!

" It is as if Dacic went to Germany during their elections...
Did I miss anything?"

"Have u gone to Hungary to open the election..."

"...so do all the constitutions of all countries including the Constitution of Kosovo. "

I think that's exactly the point that some of you are missing. Germany and Hungary are countries, but Brussels agreement is status neutral and does not see Kosovo as a country nor as a province of Serbia. To Brussels elections in Kosovo are a chance to get Kosovo parliament with elected representatives of north included.
To Albanians this parliament will govern independent country of Kosovo.
To Serbs elected parliament will govern autonomous part of Serbia.
Brussels agreement is officially neutral on this issue.
Kosovo is Kosovo, weather is independent, or part of Serbia.

There is no reason why Premier of Serbia shouldn't be able to visit any part of Serbia for campaign.
Imagine if some of US states wouldn't allow entry to Obama during campaign for local governor with excuse that Obama is not from that state nor is running in local elections?
I understand that you see it as visit to Germany or Hungary, as this is your view.
But Brussels shouldn't see it that way. If it does it's not status neutral.

That is You are a Looser !.

Arn.Sweden.

"You can not go to Brussels and claim Kosovo is Serbia when majority of the EU has recognized Kosovo as a state."
(Mr.X, 4 October 2013 20:54)

Why not? Just like Mr 'voted by 115% as prime minister' Thaci can go to Brussels, claiming that Kosovo is an 'independent' country. The EU has a status neutral approach, it doesn't recognize Kosovo, nor does it say Kosovo is part of Serbia. It's up to the individual member states to recognize Kosovo as a country. And, as you said, the majority (22 out of 27) did so, 5 EU member states did not.

To sum up: Kosovo is a disputed territory, like Taiwan, Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia and a handful more countries (or non-countries), it cannot be found in the list of the 193 UN member states.

Maybe you shouldn't have agreed to Kosovan border security. After a deal has been made, the E.U tightens the screws even more. I still wonder why a guy like Dacic is leading the country. People seem to forget what him and Milosevic did to the country.

"He noted that top European officials had urgently reacted to "some bans brought in Serbia recently," but that "nobody has yet reacted to this." "

Ha, ha, ha... For Ivica, if something is a called a "ban" that is the same thing, regardless of what the "ban" is about!!! Ivica entering Kosovo or any other country is not Ivica's right. It's a privilege that may or may not be granted to him.

Mr.X you can live in isolation with our blessing. Perhaps we can supply you with a map showing you the road to Albania where you can wallow amongst all those other arrogant racists who spend their time slagging off Serbs and Serbia. The truth of whats been going on in Kosovo over the last decades to the Serbian minority will eventually come out and your pretence of being the victims will be exposed for the sanctimonious hipocracy it really is.

@Sreten,
I assume Serbian government has misinformed its people about Kosova local elections.These elections have nothing to do with parliament. These elections will elect the mayors and counselors in Municipalities.
I have never seen a US President coming to campaign for a Mayor.

At least Dacic says it like it is!

I like the guy and think he is a good Prime Minister.

Unlike the say one thing but mean another thing group.

Again, what is Pristina's problem with Dacic entering Kosovo, he is from Prizren, they said he could have a Kosovo passport, as far as Pristina is concerend he is a citizen entering his own country! Sounds like a violation of EU freedom of movement.

The US, EU, Serbia and Kosovo...just a merry-go-round. Albanians settled in Serbia by their thousands then after many decades have claimed Kosovo as part of Albania. Why don't the Albanians claim Serbia whole as i'm sure the US & The EU would let them.

Hungary -> Country
Serbia -> Country
Kosovo -> Unrecognized entity with disputed status
(Questioner, 4 October 2013 18:22)

a few other examples
Kosovo -> status disputed by Zimbabwe
Serbia -> status disputed by Kosovo
Abkhazia -> status disputed by Georgia
Georgia -> status disputed by South Ossetia

and so on we can find that almost everything is disputed in this world by somebody somewhere... let me know if you want to spend the rest of your life listing what's disputed and by whom but not sure what's the purpose :)

Sreten,

The point that serbia agreed to is to hold elections based on "kosovo laws". The kosovo laws make up the principle that it is an independent state. During elections, it is a kosovo responsibility and it can choose who can enter kosovo for "elections".

I agree that serbian officials should not be banned for visiting kosovo serbs for non political reasons.

I think that's exactly the point that some of you are missing. Germany and Hungary are countries, but Brussels agreement is status neutral and does not see Kosovo as a country nor as a province of Serbia.

There is no reason why Premier of Serbia shouldn't be able to visit any part of Serbia for campaign.
(Sreten, 4 October 2013 18:41)

Absolutely correct... the Premier of Serbia should be able to visit any part of Serbia. However, Kosovo is not a province of Serbia as you correctly said.
----------

Imagine if some of US states wouldn't allow entry to Obama during campaign for local governor with excuse that Obama is not from that state nor is running in local elections?
(Sreten, 4 October 2013 18:41)

Indeed they can't prevent him because those states are states of USA, whereas Kosovo is not a province of Serbia, as you correctly said

Great discussion between Serbs and Albanians in the comments. Keep it up guys... Peace will prevail in the end.

To sum up: Kosovo is a disputed territory, like Taiwan, Northern Cyprus, South Ossetia and a handful more countries (or non-countries), it cannot be found in the list of the 193 UN member states.
(Comm. Parrisson, 6 October 2013 18:49)

There are many countries in the list of 193 UN member states that Serbs consider fake countries (because they recognized Kosovo).

Not to mention that, for example, Ukraine was a UN member for 45 years, but was much less independent (as a matter of fact, not independent at ll) then what Kosovo is today.

Bottom line, in the choice between having the label of "undisputed UN member under Serbia" and "disputed territory but independent from Serbia", Kosovo will always be happy with the latter. Serbia is certainly welcome to be happy with the former - that's Serbia's business.