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Sunday, 16.12.2012.

12:40

“Vojvodina’s autonomy should be scrapped”

Right wing movement Dveri has stated Vojvodina’s autonomy should be repealed because it would “end separatism”.

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

Serbska Republica in Bosnia must be eliminate first.
(azir, 18 December 2012 17:53)
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Obviously most don't think like you do but if you feel so strongly about it, then go ahead, abolish it.

Daniel

pre 12 godina

And stop with the Croatia nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Serbian organ extractors wanted to carve out Croatian kidneys all while trying to carve out Croatia's territory.
(Jock McGregor, 16 December 2012 23:05)

Serbs exctracting organs from croats?Exactly what croat propaganda book did you read?Talk about lies and myths.

deki

pre 12 godina

I'm so sick of Nationalists in Serbia, its not even funny. They are destroying their country. The hate causes people who'd otherwise come to make peoples lives better think twice; and avoid Serbia altogether.

This causes Serbs and all other minorities to flee the country for a better future elsewhere. Down the road, there might not be a Serbia - killed of by the ultimate hate of nationalism many believe will "SAVE" Serbia.

That is all.

thanasis

pre 12 godina

I think this is a very delicate issue that should be dealt with caution. I too believe that having autonomous regions is a luxury for a country like Serbia and Vojvodina's autonomy is a remnant of the communist era. However its abolition would give foreign powers another excuse to intervene in Serbia once again. The fact that Serbia has the majority doesn't mean much because Serbs were also a majority in Montenegro and see what happened there. All it took was a cunning leader, lots of western money, the collaboration of the ethnic minorities and boom the montenegrin nation was born. So if you don't want to see the creation of a Vojvodinian Milo Djuganovic be very very careful. I also have one question for b92. How can anyone call Serbians ethnic serb rats and get his comment posted? Isn't that a racial insult and a promotion of hatred? Don't you people have any self-esteem?

azir

pre 12 godina

Montenegro has a high percentage of ethnic Serb rats for residents and yet they are independent.
VOJVODINA WILL BE INDEPENDENT AND FREE OF SERB OCCUPATION.

WE ALL WILL SUPPORT LIBERATION AND SELF-DETERMINATION OF HUNGARIAN-VOJVODINA.

Just for Information.

pre 12 godina

"And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory. "
(Ari Gold, 16 December 2012 17:47)

That's nonsense. The organ extracting case came much later, at the end/after the Kosovo conflict.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

(tom, 16 December 2012 18:33) Their are more Hungarians and Croatians in Vojvodina then you state. A lot of them don't want to take part in any Serb census and they dont. After last time what happened in the 1990's government official buffoon Vojislav Šešelj with fascist baboon chetniks. Went around Vojvodina with a list of Croatian ,Hungarians homes and expelling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Croats_in_Serbia_during_the_war_in_Croatia beating murdering them with marching orders from Belgrade Serbia fascist/communist criminal government. Those Serb criminal perpetrators still haven't been prosecuted by Serbia http://www.csmonitor.com/1992/0720/20031.html . Serbian Academy of Sciences and Art member Kosta Čavoški, historian and publicist Srđa Trifković and historian Jovan Pejin addressed the participants. Those are the same idiots and organizations that gave blue prints for a warmongering Greater criminal Serbia pogroms in other country's. Serbia never learns over 60,000 Hungarians and 40,000 Croatians with other minorities were expelled from Vojvodina in 1990's. If Serbia thinks that it could get away with a another pogrom in Vojvodina. With its fascist henchmen chetnics it will be very sadly mistaken or take away Vojvodinas rite to self governments.

Bob

pre 12 godina

Simple - have a referendum.

Get the will of the people living there expressed, and take it from there.

I expect the majority would be happy to lose 'autonomy' and instead just have local governments like there are in most other countries.

'Autonomy' is a pretty pointless concept in the case of Vojvodina.

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One place where autonomy (internationally protected) is well in place is Kosovo. However, a number of people keep misspelling it 'Kosova'. They will get over that one day as the land is not theirs, but is actually under temporary occupation by NATO forces.

Putting the foot down

pre 12 godina

Why should Vojvodina be treated specially? Each and every part or Serbia should be treated equally. No more "special" cases!

Mikel B.

pre 12 godina

And how would Kosovo's "more than autonomy, less than independence" fare in this conversation? So they can remove it just like '89? Hypocrites.

Dr Smith

pre 12 godina

Serbia in a very near future will have to offer Vojvodina more than Autonomy and less independence.But than Vojvodina will ask for Republik of Vojvodina with the (IBM) just like Kosova.Pasaluk is getting closer for ari gold and patriots like him.Now wich side will they be ?

Jock McGregor

pre 12 godina

And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory.
(Ari Gold, 16 December 2012 17:47)

Wow, I just thought of the situation in Croatia during the early nineties and reworded your comment by taking out the words Kosovo, Muslim & Serbian & replaced them with Croatia + Serbian and this is what I got.

And stop with the Croatia nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Serbian organ extractors wanted to carve out Croatian kidneys all while trying to carve out Croatia's territory.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Do you even realise that you are saying Serbia should let anyone who feels like it take chunks off their country? "
(Simot, 16 December 2012 17:16)

No, he only said that Serbian government should stay away from removing rights of regions. If you don't realize that this Milosevic policy (revoking Kosovo's autonomy) lead to the situation we have nowadays, I can't help you. And that's why only right wing extremists and idiots will come up with a similar idea for Vojvodina.

iso

pre 12 godina

"And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory."

WRONG... the Kosovo issue began after Milosevic did to Kosovo what this guys are trying to do with Vojvodina. But sure do it you`ll gonna regret it after 10 years trust me.

I think you might be making a wrong assumption there.
(Danilo, 16 December 2012 17:43)
I don`t know danilo maybe I`m wrong at this pont that`s why I assumed :)

Peggy

pre 12 godina

"“The abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy would represent the end of all kinds of separatism in these parts,” he said, adding that “Vojvodinians have never existed and never will exist”.
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Hatred mixed with myths, obviously only useless goons profit from it.
(koko, 16 December 2012 12:55)
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Which part is hatred and which part is myth?
Tell me, does a race of people called vojvodjani exist?
I think scrapping autonomy is a very good idea. Why hold onto what Tito created when we know his reasons for it.

tom

pre 12 godina

well it should be scrapped because in the new census it shows 70% of vojvodina are serbs and all other minorites has dropped and that includes

hungrains went down from 290,000 to 245,000 and croats from 60,000 to 48,000 and and all other minorities have aged big time the mediate age now for hungarians are 48 years of age and croats are now 50 years of age and slovens and slovaks are now 54 years of age.this is new times and not from the 80a nor early 90s its 2012 and minroties are aging and dying out in vojvodina.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

"Only we talk about Vojvodina’s autonomy even though there is no historical foundation for it,” he stressed."

If he thinks so, I recommend to this freak to read a book about history!
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 December 2012 12:46)

'Vojvodina' is a Titoist commie creation with NO historical foundation. The only thing the regions of 'Vojvodina' have in common is they collectively but as separate regions joined the Kingdom of Serbia from Hungary. This was just another attempt at creating artificial states out of the clear blue by the communist tyrants as they did with 'Bosnians', 'Macedonians', and 'Montenegrins'.

What does Srem, Banat & Backa get from Vojvodina? Nothing. The people just have to pay for two parliaments full of overpaid 'civil servants' who are usually incompetent and without this sick system of over governance, would likely be unemployed as they posses no real skill.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

35% is a lot and if people get angry with this move , Belgrade can get serious problems and might have another problem beside Kosovo on its EU pathway.
I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.
(iso, 16 December 2012 15:50)

Ya but in what way are minority rights threatened by abolishing a redundant parliament, a 'Vojvodina Academy of Science' and all this other nonsense? In what way do minorities benefit from this autonomy? There simply are no benefits for anybody, Serb, Romanian, Hungarian etc. living in Northern Serbia other than the 'Vojvodinists' who have jobs only because of this sick Titoist ideology.

Keep in mind too they would like to create a 'Vojvodinian' identity in Northern Serbia by telling the people there you are apart of a new nation now. If anything, this 'autonomy' is a bigger threat to minorities' national identity than a united Serbia ever could be.

And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory.

icj1

pre 12 godina

"Right wing movement Dveri has stated Vojvodina’s autonomy should be repealed because it would “end separatism”."

Great example of what could happen with Kosovo's autonomy if Kosovo were to be again under Serbia.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

Simot, it is not actually fair to categorize these guys as far right. If you look at their economic stuff you'd think that they are far left. The fact is that the medias are saying all sorts of stuff about them, because they simply do not know and feel that it is easier to simply label them as something or other. :P

Simot

pre 12 godina

I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.
(iso, 16 December 2012 15:50)

Do you even realise that you are saying Serbia should let anyone who feels like it take chunks off their country? What weed did you smoke man, i must have some, even here in Amsterdam we don't have it that strong !

mick

pre 12 godina

Dveri is right, Vojvodina was created as a province for Serbs in the Austrian empire.. It's now more then 160 years later and Vojvodina is part of Serbia that's why there is no need for extra Bureaucracy..
Serbia could instead of Vojvodina split the province in it's historical provinces: Srem, Banat, Backa And have more provinces in central serbia like Sumadija/Nis/Macva/Rashka/Branicevo etc.
Anyway Serbia is a small country and doesn't need a large government or autonomous provinces.

Serbian American

pre 12 godina

Dveri is right. Autonomy for Vojvodina just separates the country and makes Serbia weaker because it just gives the western countries another opportunity to split Serbia apart

iso

pre 12 godina

this is a risky move , in Vojvodina serbs make about 65% of the population who I assume would have nothing against the abolition of autonomy but what about the other 35% , 35% is a lot and if people get angry with this move , Belgrade can get serious problems and might have another problem beside Kosovo on its EU pathway.
I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.

Ardi Asllani

pre 12 godina

The movement held a debate in Novi Sad on Saturday which focused on “protection of Kosovo and abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy”.

Me thinks these guys are big comedians. Kosova does not need protection from them , since it is protected by its own inhabitants. But, if they meant to preserve Kosova, than I say they are a big laughing stuck in this planet. While at it, they should try to scrap Kosova's Independence.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

There is no need for Vojvodina's autonomy, it isn't as if Serbia is a massive country where Vojvodina is so far away and isolated from Belgrade, rather the provincial line is barely north of Vojvodina. The idea of autonomy for Vojvodina was a communist one created only to minimize Serbian dominance as much as possible, that is the only reason why Kosovo had autonomy. I would be interested to see a very serious argument as to why Vojvodina should keep autonomy, so far there are none on this page other than people blindly hating on Dveri.

Glogonjac

pre 12 godina

Maybee Serbia should model the country on smaller regional areas. Have a referendum allowing direct commercial and co-operative links between ie Backa and Sumadija or Branicevo and Banat bypassing alot of federal bureaucracy and payment for one less parliment. Efficient and streamlined regional councils attract more business orientated leaders and transperancy as opposed to larger state style structures that bring in the "whats in it for me" crowds. Maybee the pencil might be a good thing if it is given to the people to decide.

Simot

pre 12 godina

Very nice to see this. I wonder though, why does it always have to be the far right people who do these things.

I just wish there was another way too, you don't have to be politically involved in extremities to understand that you want to keep your country together, especially with the lessons taught in the past years. Cuti Srbine and please don't let the same mistakes happen again! You will regret it afterwards!

koko

pre 12 godina

"“The abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy would represent the end of all kinds of separatism in these parts,” he said, adding that “Vojvodinians have never existed and never will exist”.
"

Hatred mixed with myths, obviously only useless goons profit from it.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Only we talk about Vojvodina’s autonomy even though there is no historical foundation for it,” he stressed."

If he thinks so, I recommend to this freak to read a book about history!

Just for Information

pre 12 godina

Obradović noted that a “great patriotic bloc” that was opposed to the country’s EU accession was being created in Serbia. He added that the Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS), Serb Radical Party (SRS), Dveri and other patriotic movements were a part of the bloc.

Read: Patriotic bloc = right wing parties, including right wing extremists.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

There is no need for Vojvodina's autonomy, it isn't as if Serbia is a massive country where Vojvodina is so far away and isolated from Belgrade, rather the provincial line is barely north of Vojvodina. The idea of autonomy for Vojvodina was a communist one created only to minimize Serbian dominance as much as possible, that is the only reason why Kosovo had autonomy. I would be interested to see a very serious argument as to why Vojvodina should keep autonomy, so far there are none on this page other than people blindly hating on Dveri.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Only we talk about Vojvodina’s autonomy even though there is no historical foundation for it,” he stressed."

If he thinks so, I recommend to this freak to read a book about history!

Ardi Asllani

pre 12 godina

The movement held a debate in Novi Sad on Saturday which focused on “protection of Kosovo and abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy”.

Me thinks these guys are big comedians. Kosova does not need protection from them , since it is protected by its own inhabitants. But, if they meant to preserve Kosova, than I say they are a big laughing stuck in this planet. While at it, they should try to scrap Kosova's Independence.

Just for Information

pre 12 godina

Obradović noted that a “great patriotic bloc” that was opposed to the country’s EU accession was being created in Serbia. He added that the Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS), Serb Radical Party (SRS), Dveri and other patriotic movements were a part of the bloc.

Read: Patriotic bloc = right wing parties, including right wing extremists.

koko

pre 12 godina

"“The abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy would represent the end of all kinds of separatism in these parts,” he said, adding that “Vojvodinians have never existed and never will exist”.
"

Hatred mixed with myths, obviously only useless goons profit from it.

mick

pre 12 godina

Dveri is right, Vojvodina was created as a province for Serbs in the Austrian empire.. It's now more then 160 years later and Vojvodina is part of Serbia that's why there is no need for extra Bureaucracy..
Serbia could instead of Vojvodina split the province in it's historical provinces: Srem, Banat, Backa And have more provinces in central serbia like Sumadija/Nis/Macva/Rashka/Branicevo etc.
Anyway Serbia is a small country and doesn't need a large government or autonomous provinces.

icj1

pre 12 godina

"Right wing movement Dveri has stated Vojvodina’s autonomy should be repealed because it would “end separatism”."

Great example of what could happen with Kosovo's autonomy if Kosovo were to be again under Serbia.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

"Only we talk about Vojvodina’s autonomy even though there is no historical foundation for it,” he stressed."

If he thinks so, I recommend to this freak to read a book about history!
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 December 2012 12:46)

'Vojvodina' is a Titoist commie creation with NO historical foundation. The only thing the regions of 'Vojvodina' have in common is they collectively but as separate regions joined the Kingdom of Serbia from Hungary. This was just another attempt at creating artificial states out of the clear blue by the communist tyrants as they did with 'Bosnians', 'Macedonians', and 'Montenegrins'.

What does Srem, Banat & Backa get from Vojvodina? Nothing. The people just have to pay for two parliaments full of overpaid 'civil servants' who are usually incompetent and without this sick system of over governance, would likely be unemployed as they posses no real skill.

Simot

pre 12 godina

Very nice to see this. I wonder though, why does it always have to be the far right people who do these things.

I just wish there was another way too, you don't have to be politically involved in extremities to understand that you want to keep your country together, especially with the lessons taught in the past years. Cuti Srbine and please don't let the same mistakes happen again! You will regret it afterwards!

Serbian American

pre 12 godina

Dveri is right. Autonomy for Vojvodina just separates the country and makes Serbia weaker because it just gives the western countries another opportunity to split Serbia apart

Jock McGregor

pre 12 godina

And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory.
(Ari Gold, 16 December 2012 17:47)

Wow, I just thought of the situation in Croatia during the early nineties and reworded your comment by taking out the words Kosovo, Muslim & Serbian & replaced them with Croatia + Serbian and this is what I got.

And stop with the Croatia nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Serbian organ extractors wanted to carve out Croatian kidneys all while trying to carve out Croatia's territory.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

35% is a lot and if people get angry with this move , Belgrade can get serious problems and might have another problem beside Kosovo on its EU pathway.
I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.
(iso, 16 December 2012 15:50)

Ya but in what way are minority rights threatened by abolishing a redundant parliament, a 'Vojvodina Academy of Science' and all this other nonsense? In what way do minorities benefit from this autonomy? There simply are no benefits for anybody, Serb, Romanian, Hungarian etc. living in Northern Serbia other than the 'Vojvodinists' who have jobs only because of this sick Titoist ideology.

Keep in mind too they would like to create a 'Vojvodinian' identity in Northern Serbia by telling the people there you are apart of a new nation now. If anything, this 'autonomy' is a bigger threat to minorities' national identity than a united Serbia ever could be.

And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

"“The abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy would represent the end of all kinds of separatism in these parts,” he said, adding that “Vojvodinians have never existed and never will exist”.
"

Hatred mixed with myths, obviously only useless goons profit from it.
(koko, 16 December 2012 12:55)
================================

Which part is hatred and which part is myth?
Tell me, does a race of people called vojvodjani exist?
I think scrapping autonomy is a very good idea. Why hold onto what Tito created when we know his reasons for it.

iso

pre 12 godina

this is a risky move , in Vojvodina serbs make about 65% of the population who I assume would have nothing against the abolition of autonomy but what about the other 35% , 35% is a lot and if people get angry with this move , Belgrade can get serious problems and might have another problem beside Kosovo on its EU pathway.
I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.

tom

pre 12 godina

well it should be scrapped because in the new census it shows 70% of vojvodina are serbs and all other minorites has dropped and that includes

hungrains went down from 290,000 to 245,000 and croats from 60,000 to 48,000 and and all other minorities have aged big time the mediate age now for hungarians are 48 years of age and croats are now 50 years of age and slovens and slovaks are now 54 years of age.this is new times and not from the 80a nor early 90s its 2012 and minroties are aging and dying out in vojvodina.

Glogonjac

pre 12 godina

Maybee Serbia should model the country on smaller regional areas. Have a referendum allowing direct commercial and co-operative links between ie Backa and Sumadija or Branicevo and Banat bypassing alot of federal bureaucracy and payment for one less parliment. Efficient and streamlined regional councils attract more business orientated leaders and transperancy as opposed to larger state style structures that bring in the "whats in it for me" crowds. Maybee the pencil might be a good thing if it is given to the people to decide.

Lazar

pre 12 godina

Simot, it is not actually fair to categorize these guys as far right. If you look at their economic stuff you'd think that they are far left. The fact is that the medias are saying all sorts of stuff about them, because they simply do not know and feel that it is easier to simply label them as something or other. :P

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Do you even realise that you are saying Serbia should let anyone who feels like it take chunks off their country? "
(Simot, 16 December 2012 17:16)

No, he only said that Serbian government should stay away from removing rights of regions. If you don't realize that this Milosevic policy (revoking Kosovo's autonomy) lead to the situation we have nowadays, I can't help you. And that's why only right wing extremists and idiots will come up with a similar idea for Vojvodina.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

(tom, 16 December 2012 18:33) Their are more Hungarians and Croatians in Vojvodina then you state. A lot of them don't want to take part in any Serb census and they dont. After last time what happened in the 1990's government official buffoon Vojislav Šešelj with fascist baboon chetniks. Went around Vojvodina with a list of Croatian ,Hungarians homes and expelling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Croats_in_Serbia_during_the_war_in_Croatia beating murdering them with marching orders from Belgrade Serbia fascist/communist criminal government. Those Serb criminal perpetrators still haven't been prosecuted by Serbia http://www.csmonitor.com/1992/0720/20031.html . Serbian Academy of Sciences and Art member Kosta Čavoški, historian and publicist Srđa Trifković and historian Jovan Pejin addressed the participants. Those are the same idiots and organizations that gave blue prints for a warmongering Greater criminal Serbia pogroms in other country's. Serbia never learns over 60,000 Hungarians and 40,000 Croatians with other minorities were expelled from Vojvodina in 1990's. If Serbia thinks that it could get away with a another pogrom in Vojvodina. With its fascist henchmen chetnics it will be very sadly mistaken or take away Vojvodinas rite to self governments.

Simot

pre 12 godina

I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.
(iso, 16 December 2012 15:50)

Do you even realise that you are saying Serbia should let anyone who feels like it take chunks off their country? What weed did you smoke man, i must have some, even here in Amsterdam we don't have it that strong !

Mikel B.

pre 12 godina

And how would Kosovo's "more than autonomy, less than independence" fare in this conversation? So they can remove it just like '89? Hypocrites.

Bob

pre 12 godina

Simple - have a referendum.

Get the will of the people living there expressed, and take it from there.

I expect the majority would be happy to lose 'autonomy' and instead just have local governments like there are in most other countries.

'Autonomy' is a pretty pointless concept in the case of Vojvodina.

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One place where autonomy (internationally protected) is well in place is Kosovo. However, a number of people keep misspelling it 'Kosova'. They will get over that one day as the land is not theirs, but is actually under temporary occupation by NATO forces.

thanasis

pre 12 godina

I think this is a very delicate issue that should be dealt with caution. I too believe that having autonomous regions is a luxury for a country like Serbia and Vojvodina's autonomy is a remnant of the communist era. However its abolition would give foreign powers another excuse to intervene in Serbia once again. The fact that Serbia has the majority doesn't mean much because Serbs were also a majority in Montenegro and see what happened there. All it took was a cunning leader, lots of western money, the collaboration of the ethnic minorities and boom the montenegrin nation was born. So if you don't want to see the creation of a Vojvodinian Milo Djuganovic be very very careful. I also have one question for b92. How can anyone call Serbians ethnic serb rats and get his comment posted? Isn't that a racial insult and a promotion of hatred? Don't you people have any self-esteem?

deki

pre 12 godina

I'm so sick of Nationalists in Serbia, its not even funny. They are destroying their country. The hate causes people who'd otherwise come to make peoples lives better think twice; and avoid Serbia altogether.

This causes Serbs and all other minorities to flee the country for a better future elsewhere. Down the road, there might not be a Serbia - killed of by the ultimate hate of nationalism many believe will "SAVE" Serbia.

That is all.

Putting the foot down

pre 12 godina

Why should Vojvodina be treated specially? Each and every part or Serbia should be treated equally. No more "special" cases!

Daniel

pre 12 godina

And stop with the Croatia nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Serbian organ extractors wanted to carve out Croatian kidneys all while trying to carve out Croatia's territory.
(Jock McGregor, 16 December 2012 23:05)

Serbs exctracting organs from croats?Exactly what croat propaganda book did you read?Talk about lies and myths.

iso

pre 12 godina

"And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory."

WRONG... the Kosovo issue began after Milosevic did to Kosovo what this guys are trying to do with Vojvodina. But sure do it you`ll gonna regret it after 10 years trust me.

I think you might be making a wrong assumption there.
(Danilo, 16 December 2012 17:43)
I don`t know danilo maybe I`m wrong at this pont that`s why I assumed :)

Just for Information.

pre 12 godina

"And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory. "
(Ari Gold, 16 December 2012 17:47)

That's nonsense. The organ extracting case came much later, at the end/after the Kosovo conflict.

Dr Smith

pre 12 godina

Serbia in a very near future will have to offer Vojvodina more than Autonomy and less independence.But than Vojvodina will ask for Republik of Vojvodina with the (IBM) just like Kosova.Pasaluk is getting closer for ari gold and patriots like him.Now wich side will they be ?

azir

pre 12 godina

Montenegro has a high percentage of ethnic Serb rats for residents and yet they are independent.
VOJVODINA WILL BE INDEPENDENT AND FREE OF SERB OCCUPATION.

WE ALL WILL SUPPORT LIBERATION AND SELF-DETERMINATION OF HUNGARIAN-VOJVODINA.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Serbska Republica in Bosnia must be eliminate first.
(azir, 18 December 2012 17:53)
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Obviously most don't think like you do but if you feel so strongly about it, then go ahead, abolish it.

Ardi Asllani

pre 12 godina

The movement held a debate in Novi Sad on Saturday which focused on “protection of Kosovo and abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy”.

Me thinks these guys are big comedians. Kosova does not need protection from them , since it is protected by its own inhabitants. But, if they meant to preserve Kosova, than I say they are a big laughing stuck in this planet. While at it, they should try to scrap Kosova's Independence.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Only we talk about Vojvodina’s autonomy even though there is no historical foundation for it,” he stressed."

If he thinks so, I recommend to this freak to read a book about history!

koko

pre 12 godina

"“The abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy would represent the end of all kinds of separatism in these parts,” he said, adding that “Vojvodinians have never existed and never will exist”.
"

Hatred mixed with myths, obviously only useless goons profit from it.

iso

pre 12 godina

this is a risky move , in Vojvodina serbs make about 65% of the population who I assume would have nothing against the abolition of autonomy but what about the other 35% , 35% is a lot and if people get angry with this move , Belgrade can get serious problems and might have another problem beside Kosovo on its EU pathway.
I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.

SCP UK

pre 12 godina

There is no need for Vojvodina's autonomy, it isn't as if Serbia is a massive country where Vojvodina is so far away and isolated from Belgrade, rather the provincial line is barely north of Vojvodina. The idea of autonomy for Vojvodina was a communist one created only to minimize Serbian dominance as much as possible, that is the only reason why Kosovo had autonomy. I would be interested to see a very serious argument as to why Vojvodina should keep autonomy, so far there are none on this page other than people blindly hating on Dveri.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

"“The abolition of Vojvodina’s autonomy would represent the end of all kinds of separatism in these parts,” he said, adding that “Vojvodinians have never existed and never will exist”.
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Hatred mixed with myths, obviously only useless goons profit from it.
(koko, 16 December 2012 12:55)
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Which part is hatred and which part is myth?
Tell me, does a race of people called vojvodjani exist?
I think scrapping autonomy is a very good idea. Why hold onto what Tito created when we know his reasons for it.

azir

pre 12 godina

Montenegro has a high percentage of ethnic Serb rats for residents and yet they are independent.
VOJVODINA WILL BE INDEPENDENT AND FREE OF SERB OCCUPATION.

WE ALL WILL SUPPORT LIBERATION AND SELF-DETERMINATION OF HUNGARIAN-VOJVODINA.

Just for Information

pre 12 godina

Obradović noted that a “great patriotic bloc” that was opposed to the country’s EU accession was being created in Serbia. He added that the Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS), Serb Radical Party (SRS), Dveri and other patriotic movements were a part of the bloc.

Read: Patriotic bloc = right wing parties, including right wing extremists.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

"Only we talk about Vojvodina’s autonomy even though there is no historical foundation for it,” he stressed."

If he thinks so, I recommend to this freak to read a book about history!
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 December 2012 12:46)

'Vojvodina' is a Titoist commie creation with NO historical foundation. The only thing the regions of 'Vojvodina' have in common is they collectively but as separate regions joined the Kingdom of Serbia from Hungary. This was just another attempt at creating artificial states out of the clear blue by the communist tyrants as they did with 'Bosnians', 'Macedonians', and 'Montenegrins'.

What does Srem, Banat & Backa get from Vojvodina? Nothing. The people just have to pay for two parliaments full of overpaid 'civil servants' who are usually incompetent and without this sick system of over governance, would likely be unemployed as they posses no real skill.

Ari Gold

pre 12 godina

35% is a lot and if people get angry with this move , Belgrade can get serious problems and might have another problem beside Kosovo on its EU pathway.
I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.
(iso, 16 December 2012 15:50)

Ya but in what way are minority rights threatened by abolishing a redundant parliament, a 'Vojvodina Academy of Science' and all this other nonsense? In what way do minorities benefit from this autonomy? There simply are no benefits for anybody, Serb, Romanian, Hungarian etc. living in Northern Serbia other than the 'Vojvodinists' who have jobs only because of this sick Titoist ideology.

Keep in mind too they would like to create a 'Vojvodinian' identity in Northern Serbia by telling the people there you are apart of a new nation now. If anything, this 'autonomy' is a bigger threat to minorities' national identity than a united Serbia ever could be.

And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory.

Jock McGregor

pre 12 godina

And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory.
(Ari Gold, 16 December 2012 17:47)

Wow, I just thought of the situation in Croatia during the early nineties and reworded your comment by taking out the words Kosovo, Muslim & Serbian & replaced them with Croatia + Serbian and this is what I got.

And stop with the Croatia nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Serbian organ extractors wanted to carve out Croatian kidneys all while trying to carve out Croatia's territory.

Serbian American

pre 12 godina

Dveri is right. Autonomy for Vojvodina just separates the country and makes Serbia weaker because it just gives the western countries another opportunity to split Serbia apart

Simot

pre 12 godina

Very nice to see this. I wonder though, why does it always have to be the far right people who do these things.

I just wish there was another way too, you don't have to be politically involved in extremities to understand that you want to keep your country together, especially with the lessons taught in the past years. Cuti Srbine and please don't let the same mistakes happen again! You will regret it afterwards!

Simot

pre 12 godina

I think Serbia should learn its lesson from Kosovo and not repeat its mistakes which might be highly costly. Autonomous or not Vojvodina will remain under Serbia if the latter one doesn`t make a stupid move.
(iso, 16 December 2012 15:50)

Do you even realise that you are saying Serbia should let anyone who feels like it take chunks off their country? What weed did you smoke man, i must have some, even here in Amsterdam we don't have it that strong !

Glogonjac

pre 12 godina

Maybee Serbia should model the country on smaller regional areas. Have a referendum allowing direct commercial and co-operative links between ie Backa and Sumadija or Branicevo and Banat bypassing alot of federal bureaucracy and payment for one less parliment. Efficient and streamlined regional councils attract more business orientated leaders and transperancy as opposed to larger state style structures that bring in the "whats in it for me" crowds. Maybee the pencil might be a good thing if it is given to the people to decide.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

(tom, 16 December 2012 18:33) Their are more Hungarians and Croatians in Vojvodina then you state. A lot of them don't want to take part in any Serb census and they dont. After last time what happened in the 1990's government official buffoon Vojislav Šešelj with fascist baboon chetniks. Went around Vojvodina with a list of Croatian ,Hungarians homes and expelling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Croats_in_Serbia_during_the_war_in_Croatia beating murdering them with marching orders from Belgrade Serbia fascist/communist criminal government. Those Serb criminal perpetrators still haven't been prosecuted by Serbia http://www.csmonitor.com/1992/0720/20031.html . Serbian Academy of Sciences and Art member Kosta Čavoški, historian and publicist Srđa Trifković and historian Jovan Pejin addressed the participants. Those are the same idiots and organizations that gave blue prints for a warmongering Greater criminal Serbia pogroms in other country's. Serbia never learns over 60,000 Hungarians and 40,000 Croatians with other minorities were expelled from Vojvodina in 1990's. If Serbia thinks that it could get away with a another pogrom in Vojvodina. With its fascist henchmen chetnics it will be very sadly mistaken or take away Vojvodinas rite to self governments.

thanasis

pre 12 godina

I think this is a very delicate issue that should be dealt with caution. I too believe that having autonomous regions is a luxury for a country like Serbia and Vojvodina's autonomy is a remnant of the communist era. However its abolition would give foreign powers another excuse to intervene in Serbia once again. The fact that Serbia has the majority doesn't mean much because Serbs were also a majority in Montenegro and see what happened there. All it took was a cunning leader, lots of western money, the collaboration of the ethnic minorities and boom the montenegrin nation was born. So if you don't want to see the creation of a Vojvodinian Milo Djuganovic be very very careful. I also have one question for b92. How can anyone call Serbians ethnic serb rats and get his comment posted? Isn't that a racial insult and a promotion of hatred? Don't you people have any self-esteem?

mick

pre 12 godina

Dveri is right, Vojvodina was created as a province for Serbs in the Austrian empire.. It's now more then 160 years later and Vojvodina is part of Serbia that's why there is no need for extra Bureaucracy..
Serbia could instead of Vojvodina split the province in it's historical provinces: Srem, Banat, Backa And have more provinces in central serbia like Sumadija/Nis/Macva/Rashka/Branicevo etc.
Anyway Serbia is a small country and doesn't need a large government or autonomous provinces.

tom

pre 12 godina

well it should be scrapped because in the new census it shows 70% of vojvodina are serbs and all other minorites has dropped and that includes

hungrains went down from 290,000 to 245,000 and croats from 60,000 to 48,000 and and all other minorities have aged big time the mediate age now for hungarians are 48 years of age and croats are now 50 years of age and slovens and slovaks are now 54 years of age.this is new times and not from the 80a nor early 90s its 2012 and minroties are aging and dying out in vojvodina.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Do you even realise that you are saying Serbia should let anyone who feels like it take chunks off their country? "
(Simot, 16 December 2012 17:16)

No, he only said that Serbian government should stay away from removing rights of regions. If you don't realize that this Milosevic policy (revoking Kosovo's autonomy) lead to the situation we have nowadays, I can't help you. And that's why only right wing extremists and idiots will come up with a similar idea for Vojvodina.

Bob

pre 12 godina

Simple - have a referendum.

Get the will of the people living there expressed, and take it from there.

I expect the majority would be happy to lose 'autonomy' and instead just have local governments like there are in most other countries.

'Autonomy' is a pretty pointless concept in the case of Vojvodina.

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One place where autonomy (internationally protected) is well in place is Kosovo. However, a number of people keep misspelling it 'Kosova'. They will get over that one day as the land is not theirs, but is actually under temporary occupation by NATO forces.

icj1

pre 12 godina

"Right wing movement Dveri has stated Vojvodina’s autonomy should be repealed because it would “end separatism”."

Great example of what could happen with Kosovo's autonomy if Kosovo were to be again under Serbia.

Putting the foot down

pre 12 godina

Why should Vojvodina be treated specially? Each and every part or Serbia should be treated equally. No more "special" cases!

Lazar

pre 12 godina

Simot, it is not actually fair to categorize these guys as far right. If you look at their economic stuff you'd think that they are far left. The fact is that the medias are saying all sorts of stuff about them, because they simply do not know and feel that it is easier to simply label them as something or other. :P

iso

pre 12 godina

"And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory."

WRONG... the Kosovo issue began after Milosevic did to Kosovo what this guys are trying to do with Vojvodina. But sure do it you`ll gonna regret it after 10 years trust me.

I think you might be making a wrong assumption there.
(Danilo, 16 December 2012 17:43)
I don`t know danilo maybe I`m wrong at this pont that`s why I assumed :)

Dr Smith

pre 12 godina

Serbia in a very near future will have to offer Vojvodina more than Autonomy and less independence.But than Vojvodina will ask for Republik of Vojvodina with the (IBM) just like Kosova.Pasaluk is getting closer for ari gold and patriots like him.Now wich side will they be ?

deki

pre 12 godina

I'm so sick of Nationalists in Serbia, its not even funny. They are destroying their country. The hate causes people who'd otherwise come to make peoples lives better think twice; and avoid Serbia altogether.

This causes Serbs and all other minorities to flee the country for a better future elsewhere. Down the road, there might not be a Serbia - killed of by the ultimate hate of nationalism many believe will "SAVE" Serbia.

That is all.

Just for Information.

pre 12 godina

"And stop with the Kosovo nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Muslim organ extractors wanted to carve out Serbian kidneys all while trying to carve out Serbia's territory. "
(Ari Gold, 16 December 2012 17:47)

That's nonsense. The organ extracting case came much later, at the end/after the Kosovo conflict.

Daniel

pre 12 godina

And stop with the Croatia nonsense. Your claims are myths to say the least. The conflict there started when Serbian organ extractors wanted to carve out Croatian kidneys all while trying to carve out Croatia's territory.
(Jock McGregor, 16 December 2012 23:05)

Serbs exctracting organs from croats?Exactly what croat propaganda book did you read?Talk about lies and myths.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Serbska Republica in Bosnia must be eliminate first.
(azir, 18 December 2012 17:53)
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Obviously most don't think like you do but if you feel so strongly about it, then go ahead, abolish it.

Mikel B.

pre 12 godina

And how would Kosovo's "more than autonomy, less than independence" fare in this conversation? So they can remove it just like '89? Hypocrites.