"Greater Albania poses threat to all of Balkans"

historian my behind. lets see, greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way Albanians think. it will happen when Albania, Macedonia, Kosova, Montenegro join the EU and then the borders in states which Albanians live in will become obsolete. its as simple that. what is most ironic however, is that all serbs did use to live under one state once, it was called Yugoslavia, but for whatever reason, they chose to ruin that one

Greater Albania mean country where Albanians lived and live.
Greater Serbia mean a country where Serbs never lived.

Albania has not done what Serbia did, attack its neighbors to create Greater Serbia.

"and the roots of the conflicts after 1945, especially the methods used to drive Serbs and other non-Albanian ethnic groups out of Kosovo."

Mr.Historian, I simply could not believe my eyes when I starting reading your rubbish. From 1945 to 1999 Serbia called all the shots in Kosovo.

You lying bastard how could Albanians chase the Serbs if Serbia was in complete control of Kosovo from 1945 to 1999. You can certainly preach to the tune of Serb nationlists but no other nation in Balkan believes this BS coming from a historian a Serb nonetheless.

The greatest threat to Balkans was and still remains the idea of a Greater Serbia. One quick glance at the history and one can surely see you bloody past and the tremendous thirst and hunger to conquer other peoples territories. Shame on you for not tackling your own demons.

When are you Serbs going to learn that the todays Albania is not the Albania of 1912 where you could just snatch half of its territory and claim it as your own. You started a genocidal war and were defeated by NATO, you took Kosovo to ICJ and you lost again ...and yet you have no decency to admit defeat. I am convinced more than ever that you are for certain a nation without morals or guilt.

Blame god if you will for a simple fact that we Albanians existed in eastern Europe centuries before six Slavic tribes invaded our land. Now that were finally getting Eu's back-up were slowly getting where we once used to be. Which by the way Serbia has had EU's support longer than anyone can remember, despite the fact that Serbs committed genocide repeatedly among their neighbors. EU finally gave up on Serbia since they could no longer turn a blind eye on Victims such as Albanians, Croatians, and Bosnians. Now Serbia finds itself in big trouble, Serbia of all made the Albanians come together more than anyone else. Serbia had complete control of a land which was never theirs, forget all that nonsense "Kosovo Metohija" That story has been fabricated by Serbian politicians and priests, to fuel up hate for Albanians. This is why you find so many young Serbs who are totally confused about their history, culture, and who they actually are where they come from. Tomislav Nikolic and Dacic are primary examples of Serbian politicians who claim such nonsense. The Same Dacic who said he would never negotiate with Thaci, HAHAHAHA who criticized Tadic for shaking hands with Thaci, as if Dacic did not shake hands with Thaci. HAHAHAHA
Come on Serbs, you have got to do better.

GREATER ALBANIA SHOULD NOT BE A SURPRISE
IT WAS MEANT TO BE AND IT WILL BE.

"Greater Albania...." or Grater Serbia....Albania. Rest assured that the Albanians will not allow anymore to have less rights....than Serbs.

Great Albania- it happened already, and guess what it's getting greater day by day..... But Serbia it's getting smaller ( Serbian historians) Why- C'mon Serbian people ask yourself- no one wants to be with Serbians....!! Cause it's a criminal country... You all know- stop trying to be clever... Long live great Albania...

Great albania all the way, like it or not

The Greater Serbian project, was seriously endangering the fragile stability in the Balkans!
That is what was, and contunuies to be a fact! 4 wars in the 1990s initiated by Serbia, in a quest to create a greater Serbia at the expense of poor unarmed civilians! That, is what i call creating instability my friend! A greater Albania on the other hand shall in fact create, the long term & long needed stability the Balkans has been lacking for a very long time! Serbia has always been the factor of instability! Now, natural Albania shall insure that Serbia is kept in check! Just a little more time, for this future Lion is needed, to finally hush this old barking dog of the Balkans!

And the "Greater Serbia" threat poses a bigger threat to stability in the Balkans, it is our country Serbia which has issues with most of our neighbours and has been at war with most of them in the recent past over the "Greater Serbia" cause. Let us not forget what El Presidente Nikolić said about Vukovar 5 months ago, despite it having an ethnic Croatian majority for at least 100 years.

Yes I think a "Greater Albania" would be a threat to the region, but it just won't happen. Soon enough the entire region will be in the EU and borders won't matter.

I think politicians like Dušan Bataković need to stop fear-mongering, after all that is what he is doing; and the only reason for this is to have a dig and lobby against Kosovo's independence whilst people across Serbia are jobless and struggling to put a decent meal on a plate for their families. I think we need to quit our own nationalist tendencies before we accuse others over nationalist tendencies.

Our politicians need to stop fear-mongering and deal with the real visible everyday issues which affect Serbia!

I dread to think how much money has been wasted!

Greater Albania poses threat to:

- Balkans
- Europe
- World, and
- Planet Mars,

i.e. to all idiots that live there.

Greater Albania is still existing with Albania, Kosovo and parts of FYROM. Why this is a threat? Serbia should look on its own country to come away from the only real existing threat as image on the Balkan: Serbia as unfriendly state.

I'm not worried about "Greater Albania" since "Mediocre Albania" can't even form a government, let alone secure a stable economy without MPs going on hunger strikes, obstructing legislation, or simply immolating themselves. To say nothing of the difficulties building highways, or even securing loans for highways, between Pristina and Mediocre Tirana. A more likely scenario of all Albanians in one state is simply allowing the demographic migration of Kosovo Albanians towards Tirana in search of jobs, a better life, and a realistic EU future to continue unobstructed :)

"especially the methods used to drive Serbs and other non-Albanian ethnic groups out of Kosovo."

Ah yes! Them evil tactics used to "ethnically cleanse" Kosova of Serbs.

Well many Serbs in Kosova decided they didn't want an ethnic Albanian as a next door neighbor so they would sell their house to an ethnic Albanian for lots of money, pack their bags and buy a much bigger nicer house in a nice ethnic Serb area of Central Serbia, Vojvodina or Bosnia with more land and still have lots of money left over from the house they sold in Kosova; and there wouldn't be a single Albanian for miles in their new home therefore they'd be happy.
Then came the 1990s, these racist people who didn't want to live near an Albanian were classed as "victims" of "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" by the Milosevic regime.
What a joke!

'Bataković also stressed that it was "a great ideological misconception that the Kosovo legend was our grand illusion'

What are you saying?

The creation of the greater Islamic Mujahideen Ottoman Albania will be an reality only if Serbia decide to withdraw from its land Kosovo,to recognize its so called independence,then you know Muslims from their primitive misery culture do a lot of children at least 5,Albanians the Ottoman waste are majority Islamist with 90% in the Balkans and worldwide.What Serbia and Macedonia should do is to make a huge demographic reforms to increase their Slavic population and to assimilate or to deport Albanians from the south Serbia valley and Western Macedonia,with Albania deals Greece.The creation of an Islamic greater Turkish-Albania will have consequences for a long term.

So far, the only incumbent officials calling for unification of kosova with Albania have been either Serbian (Tadic) or Russian (Putin himself, I think). Never has an Albanian or Kosovo official called for the creation of Greater Albania. Serbia's argument against Kosovo independence has always been that there can be no two Albanian states in the Balkans, but when it suits them, they warn of the Greater Albania danger. It is very spurious to use contradictory arguments depending on the situation.

not much of a historian or a politician for that matter this guy... Natural Albania already exists, so wake up and smell it... or maybe your thoughts have become slightly hazy from the Parisien baguettes and black coffee!

Serbia is sending such "experts" as ambassadors abroad? The Serbs should better study the modern world and ask themselves why they are not connected enough with the modern thinking? Why their economy is so badly behind the other countries? Why the people have no real education and are acting so egoistic?

The funny idea of "Greater Albania" will simply not happen, it is a dream without basis. The only event in which albanians could attempt to establish such a state would be in the event of the fall of the EU and NATO. In such an event the albanians could attempt this, but this works more to the favour of Orthodox people which surround albanian, being Serbs, Macedonians and Greeks who would never let this happen. With the existence of the EU and NATO the politicians of these countries are held back and will not crush the albanian state, but those institutions also dont want to see albanians get out of control. Without them however, those that surround albania would unite in the face of albanian aggression, and not only push back their advance but overrun their country entirely. Albania is in a very weak geographical position and in such an event have no where near the capabilities to defeat all their surrounding foes. Israel may have been able to win the 6 Day War but they are militarily very advanced and sophistocated, albania on the other hand has a pathetic military run by people not much more intelligent than monkeys.

So indeed, dream on to all those albanians who believe greater albania will happen, because it is impossible. Such an attempt would finish the albanian nation completely, so in that case I would encourage albanians to try it. However they are all cowards, they are all talk, a small tiny dog with a loud bark but no bite what so ever.

Can anyone explain to me, how come that there are so many albanians, hungarians and croats living in Belgrade and Serbia if the serbs are such racists, even during the war they were not kicked out from serbia, or am i wrong? Would be nice if someone could give a straight answer without insults.

What is Serbia with Kosova and RS ??? Natural Serbia ??

Com' on mate if Serbia got Kosova it would be Greater Serbia. So it's either Greater Serbia or Greater Albania. Neither one is acceptable for anyone so the solution is independent Kosova. This solution suits all dosent it??


But I dont understand The logic of your Greater Albania. That's because Albania with Kosova and even with western Macedonia would not be as great as Serbia is now. And Serbia is now a threat to the balkans and have been so in the past too.

Albania or even Natural Albania is no threat to it's neighbours. We have through history allways been attacked. Roman, ottomans, serbs they all have tryed. No one have succeded and will never succed to occupy Albanian land. That's why Serbia never could hold Kosova even with an greater military strengh. Just like turks coulden't.

jkrow

really? actually, Serb soldiers had gone as far as Durres to try and annex as much of the territory as possible. Greece wanted Saranda and Vlora. its thanks to the Austro-Hungarians that Albania got its independence

There were so many Serb historians speaking about"our elite", but nowbody has seen such elite in the society. There will be not two Albanian states within the EU. This is the historic dimension Dacic is speaking about but is not understanding. There is no way to seperate artificial Albania and Kosovo. This will have on the long-run deep impacts on FYROM and also Southern Serbia. The problem for the Serbs is: they dont know who they are: little YU or the homeland of the Serbs? Serbia must organize the own state as country of the Serbs. Its too late now to publish books about Kosovo or the Albanians. This is for the Serbs a lost battle. Serbia should concentrate ALL its power to develop the own poor and fragile country instead of holding thousands of fruitless meetings with Albanians who have a uncler record. Dont forget the great sentence of the Russians: We cannot more Serb as the Serbians. The Serbs have problems to identify the own interests/targets and the realistic means to achieve something. The EU-membership is completely un-realistic for this generation and the fight for this is waste of time.

Just like the 'Greater Serbia' project had significant support amongst Serbs, unfortunately. We all know how it ended, with Serbia left not being so great and big, in the end.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 October 2012 17:40)

see this is why you keep getting bunched together with bganon, danilo, bob and roberto. You keep typing up such stupid false statements that continue to just discredit anything you ever say. What were Serbs suppose to do? let the croats/muslims/albanians slaughter them? Or send in the army and deal with those terrorist croat/muslim/albanians?

"You lying bastard how could Albanians chase the Serbs if Serbia was in complete control of Kosovo from 1945 to 1999. You can certainly preach to the tune of Serb nationlists but no other nation in Balkan believes this BS coming from a historian a Serb nonetheless."
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But thanks to Tito (who was not a fan of Serbs) made sure that Serbs were NOT in charge of Kosovo. Remember him?
Now don't be so rude and call this man a bastard. Can't you keep your hatred in check? Just because you don't agree with him (you can't agree or disagree with history, it's history after all) there is no need to call him a bastard. If you read up on history and no the Albanian version you would see that he is right and you are wrong anyway.

This diplomat, a historian by trade, noted that the term "Natural Albania" was but another name for "Greater Albania", and added:

"For a number of years this project has had a significant support of Albanian elites in all the countries where Albanian live, and it is, as has been announced, gradually becoming a reality."

Just like the 'Greater Serbia' project had significant support amongst Serbs, unfortunately. We all know how it ended, with Serbia left not being so great and big, in the end.

gjakova,
as far as i've been able to find, albania was given its independence from ottoman empire in 1912. thanks to the help of the serbs, montenegrins, bulgarians and greece were the ottomans finally pushed out of the balkan penninsula and albania was able to form. so it is evident according to known history that serbia already took part in creating independence for albanian peoples.

In reality, Greater Albania poses a threat to non-Muslims in the region and beyond. A greater Albania=Islamist state in the Balkans that will also pose a direct threat to Israel. Serbia must encourage greater Israeli involvement in the Balkans.

Lenard said, " You should all come under Croatian benevolent wise democratic intelligent leadership like under Croatian Tito. Even the Americans are regretting that they did no take Croatian wise lead in the world affairs"

There are doctors called Psychiatrists who can help with such sick thoughts ... delusions of grandeur. Really pathological.

well, given that the contributor who´s calling himself "albanian" here writes about the Serbs´ "confusion of what and who they are", ...there must be something wrong with the overall albanian perception of written history.

first of all, not only cannot any of our dear k-albanian friends come up with some real, and I mean real, serious and not contentious sources, no in all seriousness they always came along with some nutty youtube-video´s or encyclopedia britannica articles from over 100 years ago... so, the question here is rather who and what are the Albanians actually? no, not only are they desperately clinging to their illyrian-myth, they are now also starting to call serb history a myth...what is absolutely stupid - given that serbian history ( and here the term history is indeed justified in difference to the Albanians´ socalled "history" ) is well documented and not even disputed by any reasonable person...

I´ll ask again, my dear k-albanian friends:

where is that proof? why are the oldest albanian documents dating back only to the 15th century? ( ca. 1402 ) why is your language compound ( except some 200 words ) completely with words borrowed from other languages? reference see here: Larry Trask: Historical Linguistics. Hodder Arnold, London 1996, 8.3, ISBN 0-340-60758-0. (English)

I´ll tell you why - your "history" is an invention. you are believing in a myth.

Mark Twain once said: it´s easier to trick someone, than to convince him that he´s been tricked.

'why is your language compound ( except some 200 words ) completely with words borrowed from other languages?"

Albanian is classified as an Indoeuropean language, and it seems to be a pretty special language, sole survivor of its branch. Most European languages are Germanic, Roman, or Slavic, except Basque, Albanian, Hungarian, Greek, Finnish. And so if you happen to be Spanish, you are surrounded by the entire south of Europe that speaks a language close to yours. Or if you are Serb, your language is a bit like crabgrass in a field full of all kinds of grass. But if you are Albanian, your language is a special flower (or a thorn if you will - but special, and unusual).

It is important to realize that there are no clean languages, all languages are alive, they give and take constantly. "Compound languages" (btw congratulations on this nonsensical neologism) include all the languages of the world, without exception. English is the most "compound" of all, the English word "language" itself, for instance, is French.

Anyhow. The hatred of everything Albanians makes some people sound really silly.

Ari,

Talking about Israel involvement....don't worrry USA is doing a good job....Stop talking about Albanian muslum state....it makes you look more and more ridiculous.

Lets nip this Greater this and that in the but with religiosity-sis of fascist fanaticism. You should all come under Croatian benevolent wise democratic intelligent leadership like under Croatian Tito. Even the Americans are regretting that they did no take Croatian wise lead in the world affairs. All problems would of been solved just like that.

"you are believing in a myth"

It is worth noting that Illyrism started among south Slavs, and as a movement it aimed to unite the Serbs and Croats and Slovenes. It was only when it became clear that Slavs had nothing to do with indigenous peoples that Albanians were linked with the old Illyrians. And yes, Albanians themselves did not push any of these theories, mainly because they didn't know how to. Passive sufferers, is how I would describe my people. It was relatively late that Albanian nationalism came into existence, as a reaction to the existential threat that the neighbors represented.

There is not "Great Albania," it is a notion foreign to Albanians, but it is a favorite among Serbs. While Serbs have had plans and have indeed had a Great Serbia in existence for a while (it used to be called Yugoslavia), Albanians have merely survived. Can you blame us for that?

In reality, Greater Albania poses a threat to non-Muslims in the region and beyond. A greater Albania=Islamist state in the Balkans that will also pose a direct threat to Israel. Serbia must encourage greater Israeli involvement in the Balkans.
(Ari Gold, 23 October 2012 22:21)
Are you kidding me? Not even 20% practice it. So much about "Islamic Albanians" , and if you go in Albania you`ll find tons of christian.

Jovan

well thank mighty Isis we have you to set us straight! let us see, Albanian is an Indo-European language (which means its not Turkic as some Serbs so gleefully believe) that isn't connected to any other branch. This means, its not Latin, its not Greek, its not Slavic, its not Arabic. it shares this Indo-European uniqueness only with the Armenian language. Albanian is considered to have evolved from an extinct Paleo-Balkan language, usually taken to be either Illyrian or Thracian. this is what linguistics believe, if you think them to be wrong, do the following, enroll to study Albanology and show where they are wrong. in the mean time, lose yourself in other pointless fairy tales about Dushan, Lazar & Obilic. p.s. have fun waiting for Kosova for another 500 years :-)

It is the 'Greater' nationalisms of Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia etc. that threatens stability in the region.

sorry guys, in contrast to most of you albanian internet-warriors I am working, so in the afternoon there was not time enough to answer "Albi" adequately, so here´s the rest of what I wanted to answer:

the term "language" in english doesn´t derive from the french "langue", both are deriving from the latin "lingua"...so next time you want to teach us some linguistics here, please chose your examples a bit more carefully. so much for "sounding silly"...

as for your remark that all languages are "alive", "giving and taking"... well then, how come that your langauge has only taken from others? I mean, hey, let´s be honest, if a non-serb linguist finds that your vocabulary is made up completely by foreign languages except some 200 words, ...you can hardly call that serbian propanda, can you?

furthermore why are you Albanians always coming up with the same ( and sometimes even identical ) copy-paste-explanations? just compare yours with the one from "Nikole" and then lean back and think... =)

and last but not least..@Nikole: I don´t have to "enroll to study albanology"...it´s enough to know a little bit in the field of linguistics...
and in addition to that, being in the law I can tell you that usually ( at least in court ) the one who alleges something has to prove what he alleges. and not the other way around!
and in the sciences, it is pretty much the same.

so the bottom-line is: you claim things you cannot prove. that makes your point quite weak, actually.

your abasador finds as french say,a cheval de bataille! or a way to be somebody in Serbia!it is very strange how serbian politician become famous throught kosovo...And once they are in power help us a lot,as milosheviq did(he did so much for kosovothat now this territory is out of Serbia!)Your ambasador and his prose reminds me these great hours of serbian hystery and it seams that you are ready for a new war!hope you will not be disapointed because we were,we are,and we will always be there,each time more concerned !i am sure that thanks to your politicians,we will all albania and kosovo united!So mister ambasador,just go on with your old hysterical obsession:each time you do more for albanian nationalism than albanian nationalists themself!Just go on !

@albi:

wow, describing the albanian "language" as a special flower, ...priceless! is that what you are being thought in school? =)

as for my questions, you didn´t answer them. is there a reason for not answering them?
language´s develop and "live", yes..but if there is only 200 words and all the rest is made up by loanwords - you can´t call that a language, actually.

but as usual, you avoid thinking about what could be the reason for that...since it doesn´t fit into your narrow-minded world...

as for the other smart Albanian who writes about "waiting another 500 years" - it won´t take that long, I am sure of that.

Now this is obviously an old nationalistic rhetoric to create fear of a non existent threat.

If by Greater Albania it is meant some absurd map of the four Ottoman Vilayets or that of all present Albanian inhabited lands not only it won't happen but also it doesn't exist except in the minds of fear mongers and extreme Alb nationalists. Alb do not have the capabilities, the will or desire to create it.

However if by 'Greater Albania' it is meant a possible unification between Albania and Kosovo, then based predictions are difficult.

First let me make clear that it wouldn't pose a threat as it could be done peacefully by expression of referendums and it wouldn't enhance military capabilities to an extent which could be a threat. Kosovo as it currently stands has no real army while Albania has some 14,500 troops poorly equipped, no tanks or fighter jets. Greece is far more superior and Serbia is still considerably better. Macedonia is weaker as it currently stands so is no difference. Either way this is if it actually did try anything which it is not and either-way stands no chance militarily. But history shows that Alb elites are not trying even to unite the two countries except 'Selfdetermination Movement' in Kosovo. Most Alb would like the two countries joined but their elites love only their chairs. They could potentially do that if the circumstances change and there is real elite efforts, but for now it's improbable.

Note that other 'Greater neighbors' are as absurd.

GREATER ALBANIA SHOULD NOT BE A SURPRISE
IT WAS MEANT TO BE AND IT WILL BE.
(Albanian, 23 October 2012 19:49)

Before you assert what no one believes, try to at least make sure your origin story isn't taken for something comedic by outsiders who finally bother to study it.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words

what? what did I claim that I cannot prove? that Albanian is in Indo-european language with no connections to any other branch, be it latin, slavic, greek? its true, it is! this is what linguists believe :-) now, back to bed with you

Extremists Establish Foothold in the Balkans
by Irfan Al-Alawi
September 24, 2012
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3360/kosovo-peace-tv

as for the other smart Albanian who writes about "waiting another 500 years" - it won´t take that long, I am sure of that.
(Jovan, 24 October 2012 17:19)
If one is wanting to mock others this is not the subject one should use, as it is of Serbian origin and repeated consistently by Serbs and is the point of mockery from others of the Serbs.

@Albi

Your comments are well substantiated, except one. I object to your notion that "Great Albania" is foreign to Albanians. I urge you to visit the Albanian League of Prizren Museum in Prizren. It will become clear after your visit that the concept of "Natural Albania" does exist in the minds of at least some Albanians. To me, an outsider looking in on the whole situation, it is difficult to distinguish tangible differences between the concept of Greater Serbia and Natural Albania. Much of what Batakovic is quoted as saying here is questionable. However, conflating Greater Albania and Natural Albania does not seem outlandish to me.

Are you kidding me? Not even 20% practice it. So much about "Islamic Albanians" , and if you go in Albania you`ll find tons of christian.
(iso, 24 October 2012 19:01)
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Then why build all those mosques in Kosovo if nobody is there to use them?
What is the percentage of Muslim Albanians in Kosovo? How many Christian Albanians in Kosovo? Why burn churches and build mosques in Kosovo?

The sole strength in the greater-albo project is population demographics. In fact, take away that simple measure along with misguided western support, and greater albania would fold like a lawn chair. The question is when will their western patronage end so that the affects of decades of aggression against their host countries will be reversed? The albanians are making a great tactical mistake in believing they are stronger than they really are. They are a very poor foe with few prospects not only in Albania itself but in the satellite regions as well.

Make peace with your host countries Albanians before its too late and you're left with nothing.

"When are you Serbs going to learn that the todays Albania is not the Albania of 1912 where you could just snatch half of its territory and claim it as your own. "
(Gjakova, 23 October 2012 15:14)

No, on contrary! Albania of today has almost exactly the same borders as Albania of 1912. The 'greater Albania' which included regions in Kosovo, Macedonia and Greece only existed for a few years in WWII under the fascist Albanian puppet regime. Do you guys really want to repeat that period of history?

Would be nice if someone could give a straight answer without insults.
(Lo, 23 October 2012 21:10)
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Yes it would be but you are dealing with Albanians here after all and that's all they know.
'When you don't have a solid argument, make sure you have a solid insult'. I think this is written on the coat of arms or something.

historian my behind. lets see, greater Albania WILL happen, but not in the way Albanians think. it will happen when Albania, Macedonia, Kosova, Montenegro join the EU and then the borders in states which Albanians live in will become obsolete. its as simple that. what is most ironic however, is that all serbs did use to live under one state once, it was called Yugoslavia, but for whatever reason, they chose to ruin that one

Greater Albania is still existing with Albania, Kosovo and parts of FYROM. Why this is a threat? Serbia should look on its own country to come away from the only real existing threat as image on the Balkan: Serbia as unfriendly state.

Great albania all the way, like it or not

The creation of the greater Islamic Mujahideen Ottoman Albania will be an reality only if Serbia decide to withdraw from its land Kosovo,to recognize its so called independence,then you know Muslims from their primitive misery culture do a lot of children at least 5,Albanians the Ottoman waste are majority Islamist with 90% in the Balkans and worldwide.What Serbia and Macedonia should do is to make a huge demographic reforms to increase their Slavic population and to assimilate or to deport Albanians from the south Serbia valley and Western Macedonia,with Albania deals Greece.The creation of an Islamic greater Turkish-Albania will have consequences for a long term.

Albania has not done what Serbia did, attack its neighbors to create Greater Serbia.

Greater Albania mean country where Albanians lived and live.
Greater Serbia mean a country where Serbs never lived.

Great Albania- it happened already, and guess what it's getting greater day by day..... But Serbia it's getting smaller ( Serbian historians) Why- C'mon Serbian people ask yourself- no one wants to be with Serbians....!! Cause it's a criminal country... You all know- stop trying to be clever... Long live great Albania...

Blame god if you will for a simple fact that we Albanians existed in eastern Europe centuries before six Slavic tribes invaded our land. Now that were finally getting Eu's back-up were slowly getting where we once used to be. Which by the way Serbia has had EU's support longer than anyone can remember, despite the fact that Serbs committed genocide repeatedly among their neighbors. EU finally gave up on Serbia since they could no longer turn a blind eye on Victims such as Albanians, Croatians, and Bosnians. Now Serbia finds itself in big trouble, Serbia of all made the Albanians come together more than anyone else. Serbia had complete control of a land which was never theirs, forget all that nonsense "Kosovo Metohija" That story has been fabricated by Serbian politicians and priests, to fuel up hate for Albanians. This is why you find so many young Serbs who are totally confused about their history, culture, and who they actually are where they come from. Tomislav Nikolic and Dacic are primary examples of Serbian politicians who claim such nonsense. The Same Dacic who said he would never negotiate with Thaci, HAHAHAHA who criticized Tadic for shaking hands with Thaci, as if Dacic did not shake hands with Thaci. HAHAHAHA
Come on Serbs, you have got to do better.

GREATER ALBANIA SHOULD NOT BE A SURPRISE
IT WAS MEANT TO BE AND IT WILL BE.

"Greater Albania...." or Grater Serbia....Albania. Rest assured that the Albanians will not allow anymore to have less rights....than Serbs.

The funny idea of "Greater Albania" will simply not happen, it is a dream without basis. The only event in which albanians could attempt to establish such a state would be in the event of the fall of the EU and NATO. In such an event the albanians could attempt this, but this works more to the favour of Orthodox people which surround albanian, being Serbs, Macedonians and Greeks who would never let this happen. With the existence of the EU and NATO the politicians of these countries are held back and will not crush the albanian state, but those institutions also dont want to see albanians get out of control. Without them however, those that surround albania would unite in the face of albanian aggression, and not only push back their advance but overrun their country entirely. Albania is in a very weak geographical position and in such an event have no where near the capabilities to defeat all their surrounding foes. Israel may have been able to win the 6 Day War but they are militarily very advanced and sophistocated, albania on the other hand has a pathetic military run by people not much more intelligent than monkeys.

So indeed, dream on to all those albanians who believe greater albania will happen, because it is impossible. Such an attempt would finish the albanian nation completely, so in that case I would encourage albanians to try it. However they are all cowards, they are all talk, a small tiny dog with a loud bark but no bite what so ever.

In reality, Greater Albania poses a threat to non-Muslims in the region and beyond. A greater Albania=Islamist state in the Balkans that will also pose a direct threat to Israel. Serbia must encourage greater Israeli involvement in the Balkans.

The Greater Serbian project, was seriously endangering the fragile stability in the Balkans!
That is what was, and contunuies to be a fact! 4 wars in the 1990s initiated by Serbia, in a quest to create a greater Serbia at the expense of poor unarmed civilians! That, is what i call creating instability my friend! A greater Albania on the other hand shall in fact create, the long term & long needed stability the Balkans has been lacking for a very long time! Serbia has always been the factor of instability! Now, natural Albania shall insure that Serbia is kept in check! Just a little more time, for this future Lion is needed, to finally hush this old barking dog of the Balkans!

not much of a historian or a politician for that matter this guy... Natural Albania already exists, so wake up and smell it... or maybe your thoughts have become slightly hazy from the Parisien baguettes and black coffee!

Serbia is sending such "experts" as ambassadors abroad? The Serbs should better study the modern world and ask themselves why they are not connected enough with the modern thinking? Why their economy is so badly behind the other countries? Why the people have no real education and are acting so egoistic?

"especially the methods used to drive Serbs and other non-Albanian ethnic groups out of Kosovo."

Ah yes! Them evil tactics used to "ethnically cleanse" Kosova of Serbs.

Well many Serbs in Kosova decided they didn't want an ethnic Albanian as a next door neighbor so they would sell their house to an ethnic Albanian for lots of money, pack their bags and buy a much bigger nicer house in a nice ethnic Serb area of Central Serbia, Vojvodina or Bosnia with more land and still have lots of money left over from the house they sold in Kosova; and there wouldn't be a single Albanian for miles in their new home therefore they'd be happy.
Then came the 1990s, these racist people who didn't want to live near an Albanian were classed as "victims" of "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" by the Milosevic regime.
What a joke!

Just like the 'Greater Serbia' project had significant support amongst Serbs, unfortunately. We all know how it ended, with Serbia left not being so great and big, in the end.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 October 2012 17:40)

see this is why you keep getting bunched together with bganon, danilo, bob and roberto. You keep typing up such stupid false statements that continue to just discredit anything you ever say. What were Serbs suppose to do? let the croats/muslims/albanians slaughter them? Or send in the army and deal with those terrorist croat/muslim/albanians?

'Bataković also stressed that it was "a great ideological misconception that the Kosovo legend was our grand illusion'

What are you saying?

"and the roots of the conflicts after 1945, especially the methods used to drive Serbs and other non-Albanian ethnic groups out of Kosovo."

Mr.Historian, I simply could not believe my eyes when I starting reading your rubbish. From 1945 to 1999 Serbia called all the shots in Kosovo.

You lying bastard how could Albanians chase the Serbs if Serbia was in complete control of Kosovo from 1945 to 1999. You can certainly preach to the tune of Serb nationlists but no other nation in Balkan believes this BS coming from a historian a Serb nonetheless.

The greatest threat to Balkans was and still remains the idea of a Greater Serbia. One quick glance at the history and one can surely see you bloody past and the tremendous thirst and hunger to conquer other peoples territories. Shame on you for not tackling your own demons.

When are you Serbs going to learn that the todays Albania is not the Albania of 1912 where you could just snatch half of its territory and claim it as your own. You started a genocidal war and were defeated by NATO, you took Kosovo to ICJ and you lost again ...and yet you have no decency to admit defeat. I am convinced more than ever that you are for certain a nation without morals or guilt.

Greater Albania poses threat to:

- Balkans
- Europe
- World, and
- Planet Mars,

i.e. to all idiots that live there.

I'm not worried about "Greater Albania" since "Mediocre Albania" can't even form a government, let alone secure a stable economy without MPs going on hunger strikes, obstructing legislation, or simply immolating themselves. To say nothing of the difficulties building highways, or even securing loans for highways, between Pristina and Mediocre Tirana. A more likely scenario of all Albanians in one state is simply allowing the demographic migration of Kosovo Albanians towards Tirana in search of jobs, a better life, and a realistic EU future to continue unobstructed :)

And the "Greater Serbia" threat poses a bigger threat to stability in the Balkans, it is our country Serbia which has issues with most of our neighbours and has been at war with most of them in the recent past over the "Greater Serbia" cause. Let us not forget what El Presidente Nikolić said about Vukovar 5 months ago, despite it having an ethnic Croatian majority for at least 100 years.

Yes I think a "Greater Albania" would be a threat to the region, but it just won't happen. Soon enough the entire region will be in the EU and borders won't matter.

I think politicians like Dušan Bataković need to stop fear-mongering, after all that is what he is doing; and the only reason for this is to have a dig and lobby against Kosovo's independence whilst people across Serbia are jobless and struggling to put a decent meal on a plate for their families. I think we need to quit our own nationalist tendencies before we accuse others over nationalist tendencies.

Our politicians need to stop fear-mongering and deal with the real visible everyday issues which affect Serbia!

I dread to think how much money has been wasted!

well, given that the contributor who´s calling himself "albanian" here writes about the Serbs´ "confusion of what and who they are", ...there must be something wrong with the overall albanian perception of written history.

first of all, not only cannot any of our dear k-albanian friends come up with some real, and I mean real, serious and not contentious sources, no in all seriousness they always came along with some nutty youtube-video´s or encyclopedia britannica articles from over 100 years ago... so, the question here is rather who and what are the Albanians actually? no, not only are they desperately clinging to their illyrian-myth, they are now also starting to call serb history a myth...what is absolutely stupid - given that serbian history ( and here the term history is indeed justified in difference to the Albanians´ socalled "history" ) is well documented and not even disputed by any reasonable person...

I´ll ask again, my dear k-albanian friends:

where is that proof? why are the oldest albanian documents dating back only to the 15th century? ( ca. 1402 ) why is your language compound ( except some 200 words ) completely with words borrowed from other languages? reference see here: Larry Trask: Historical Linguistics. Hodder Arnold, London 1996, 8.3, ISBN 0-340-60758-0. (English)

I´ll tell you why - your "history" is an invention. you are believing in a myth.

Mark Twain once said: it´s easier to trick someone, than to convince him that he´s been tricked.

What is Serbia with Kosova and RS ??? Natural Serbia ??

Com' on mate if Serbia got Kosova it would be Greater Serbia. So it's either Greater Serbia or Greater Albania. Neither one is acceptable for anyone so the solution is independent Kosova. This solution suits all dosent it??


But I dont understand The logic of your Greater Albania. That's because Albania with Kosova and even with western Macedonia would not be as great as Serbia is now. And Serbia is now a threat to the balkans and have been so in the past too.

Albania or even Natural Albania is no threat to it's neighbours. We have through history allways been attacked. Roman, ottomans, serbs they all have tryed. No one have succeded and will never succed to occupy Albanian land. That's why Serbia never could hold Kosova even with an greater military strengh. Just like turks coulden't.

gjakova,
as far as i've been able to find, albania was given its independence from ottoman empire in 1912. thanks to the help of the serbs, montenegrins, bulgarians and greece were the ottomans finally pushed out of the balkan penninsula and albania was able to form. so it is evident according to known history that serbia already took part in creating independence for albanian peoples.

"You lying bastard how could Albanians chase the Serbs if Serbia was in complete control of Kosovo from 1945 to 1999. You can certainly preach to the tune of Serb nationlists but no other nation in Balkan believes this BS coming from a historian a Serb nonetheless."
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But thanks to Tito (who was not a fan of Serbs) made sure that Serbs were NOT in charge of Kosovo. Remember him?
Now don't be so rude and call this man a bastard. Can't you keep your hatred in check? Just because you don't agree with him (you can't agree or disagree with history, it's history after all) there is no need to call him a bastard. If you read up on history and no the Albanian version you would see that he is right and you are wrong anyway.

jkrow

really? actually, Serb soldiers had gone as far as Durres to try and annex as much of the territory as possible. Greece wanted Saranda and Vlora. its thanks to the Austro-Hungarians that Albania got its independence

So far, the only incumbent officials calling for unification of kosova with Albania have been either Serbian (Tadic) or Russian (Putin himself, I think). Never has an Albanian or Kosovo official called for the creation of Greater Albania. Serbia's argument against Kosovo independence has always been that there can be no two Albanian states in the Balkans, but when it suits them, they warn of the Greater Albania danger. It is very spurious to use contradictory arguments depending on the situation.

This diplomat, a historian by trade, noted that the term "Natural Albania" was but another name for "Greater Albania", and added:

"For a number of years this project has had a significant support of Albanian elites in all the countries where Albanian live, and it is, as has been announced, gradually becoming a reality."

Just like the 'Greater Serbia' project had significant support amongst Serbs, unfortunately. We all know how it ended, with Serbia left not being so great and big, in the end.

There were so many Serb historians speaking about"our elite", but nowbody has seen such elite in the society. There will be not two Albanian states within the EU. This is the historic dimension Dacic is speaking about but is not understanding. There is no way to seperate artificial Albania and Kosovo. This will have on the long-run deep impacts on FYROM and also Southern Serbia. The problem for the Serbs is: they dont know who they are: little YU or the homeland of the Serbs? Serbia must organize the own state as country of the Serbs. Its too late now to publish books about Kosovo or the Albanians. This is for the Serbs a lost battle. Serbia should concentrate ALL its power to develop the own poor and fragile country instead of holding thousands of fruitless meetings with Albanians who have a uncler record. Dont forget the great sentence of the Russians: We cannot more Serb as the Serbians. The Serbs have problems to identify the own interests/targets and the realistic means to achieve something. The EU-membership is completely un-realistic for this generation and the fight for this is waste of time.

Can anyone explain to me, how come that there are so many albanians, hungarians and croats living in Belgrade and Serbia if the serbs are such racists, even during the war they were not kicked out from serbia, or am i wrong? Would be nice if someone could give a straight answer without insults.

Would be nice if someone could give a straight answer without insults.
(Lo, 23 October 2012 21:10)
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Yes it would be but you are dealing with Albanians here after all and that's all they know.
'When you don't have a solid argument, make sure you have a solid insult'. I think this is written on the coat of arms or something.

Lets nip this Greater this and that in the but with religiosity-sis of fascist fanaticism. You should all come under Croatian benevolent wise democratic intelligent leadership like under Croatian Tito. Even the Americans are regretting that they did no take Croatian wise lead in the world affairs. All problems would of been solved just like that.

Lenard said, " You should all come under Croatian benevolent wise democratic intelligent leadership like under Croatian Tito. Even the Americans are regretting that they did no take Croatian wise lead in the world affairs"

There are doctors called Psychiatrists who can help with such sick thoughts ... delusions of grandeur. Really pathological.

"When are you Serbs going to learn that the todays Albania is not the Albania of 1912 where you could just snatch half of its territory and claim it as your own. "
(Gjakova, 23 October 2012 15:14)

No, on contrary! Albania of today has almost exactly the same borders as Albania of 1912. The 'greater Albania' which included regions in Kosovo, Macedonia and Greece only existed for a few years in WWII under the fascist Albanian puppet regime. Do you guys really want to repeat that period of history?

sorry guys, in contrast to most of you albanian internet-warriors I am working, so in the afternoon there was not time enough to answer "Albi" adequately, so here´s the rest of what I wanted to answer:

the term "language" in english doesn´t derive from the french "langue", both are deriving from the latin "lingua"...so next time you want to teach us some linguistics here, please chose your examples a bit more carefully. so much for "sounding silly"...

as for your remark that all languages are "alive", "giving and taking"... well then, how come that your langauge has only taken from others? I mean, hey, let´s be honest, if a non-serb linguist finds that your vocabulary is made up completely by foreign languages except some 200 words, ...you can hardly call that serbian propanda, can you?

furthermore why are you Albanians always coming up with the same ( and sometimes even identical ) copy-paste-explanations? just compare yours with the one from "Nikole" and then lean back and think... =)

and last but not least..@Nikole: I don´t have to "enroll to study albanology"...it´s enough to know a little bit in the field of linguistics...
and in addition to that, being in the law I can tell you that usually ( at least in court ) the one who alleges something has to prove what he alleges. and not the other way around!
and in the sciences, it is pretty much the same.

so the bottom-line is: you claim things you cannot prove. that makes your point quite weak, actually.

@albi:

wow, describing the albanian "language" as a special flower, ...priceless! is that what you are being thought in school? =)

as for my questions, you didn´t answer them. is there a reason for not answering them?
language´s develop and "live", yes..but if there is only 200 words and all the rest is made up by loanwords - you can´t call that a language, actually.

but as usual, you avoid thinking about what could be the reason for that...since it doesn´t fit into your narrow-minded world...

as for the other smart Albanian who writes about "waiting another 500 years" - it won´t take that long, I am sure of that.

GREATER ALBANIA SHOULD NOT BE A SURPRISE
IT WAS MEANT TO BE AND IT WILL BE.
(Albanian, 23 October 2012 19:49)

Before you assert what no one believes, try to at least make sure your origin story isn't taken for something comedic by outsiders who finally bother to study it.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words

The sole strength in the greater-albo project is population demographics. In fact, take away that simple measure along with misguided western support, and greater albania would fold like a lawn chair. The question is when will their western patronage end so that the affects of decades of aggression against their host countries will be reversed? The albanians are making a great tactical mistake in believing they are stronger than they really are. They are a very poor foe with few prospects not only in Albania itself but in the satellite regions as well.

Make peace with your host countries Albanians before its too late and you're left with nothing.

"you are believing in a myth"

It is worth noting that Illyrism started among south Slavs, and as a movement it aimed to unite the Serbs and Croats and Slovenes. It was only when it became clear that Slavs had nothing to do with indigenous peoples that Albanians were linked with the old Illyrians. And yes, Albanians themselves did not push any of these theories, mainly because they didn't know how to. Passive sufferers, is how I would describe my people. It was relatively late that Albanian nationalism came into existence, as a reaction to the existential threat that the neighbors represented.

There is not "Great Albania," it is a notion foreign to Albanians, but it is a favorite among Serbs. While Serbs have had plans and have indeed had a Great Serbia in existence for a while (it used to be called Yugoslavia), Albanians have merely survived. Can you blame us for that?

what? what did I claim that I cannot prove? that Albanian is in Indo-european language with no connections to any other branch, be it latin, slavic, greek? its true, it is! this is what linguists believe :-) now, back to bed with you

'why is your language compound ( except some 200 words ) completely with words borrowed from other languages?"

Albanian is classified as an Indoeuropean language, and it seems to be a pretty special language, sole survivor of its branch. Most European languages are Germanic, Roman, or Slavic, except Basque, Albanian, Hungarian, Greek, Finnish. And so if you happen to be Spanish, you are surrounded by the entire south of Europe that speaks a language close to yours. Or if you are Serb, your language is a bit like crabgrass in a field full of all kinds of grass. But if you are Albanian, your language is a special flower (or a thorn if you will - but special, and unusual).

It is important to realize that there are no clean languages, all languages are alive, they give and take constantly. "Compound languages" (btw congratulations on this nonsensical neologism) include all the languages of the world, without exception. English is the most "compound" of all, the English word "language" itself, for instance, is French.

Anyhow. The hatred of everything Albanians makes some people sound really silly.

It is the 'Greater' nationalisms of Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia etc. that threatens stability in the region.

In reality, Greater Albania poses a threat to non-Muslims in the region and beyond. A greater Albania=Islamist state in the Balkans that will also pose a direct threat to Israel. Serbia must encourage greater Israeli involvement in the Balkans.
(Ari Gold, 23 October 2012 22:21)
Are you kidding me? Not even 20% practice it. So much about "Islamic Albanians" , and if you go in Albania you`ll find tons of christian.

Are you kidding me? Not even 20% practice it. So much about "Islamic Albanians" , and if you go in Albania you`ll find tons of christian.
(iso, 24 October 2012 19:01)
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Then why build all those mosques in Kosovo if nobody is there to use them?
What is the percentage of Muslim Albanians in Kosovo? How many Christian Albanians in Kosovo? Why burn churches and build mosques in Kosovo?

Jovan

well thank mighty Isis we have you to set us straight! let us see, Albanian is an Indo-European language (which means its not Turkic as some Serbs so gleefully believe) that isn't connected to any other branch. This means, its not Latin, its not Greek, its not Slavic, its not Arabic. it shares this Indo-European uniqueness only with the Armenian language. Albanian is considered to have evolved from an extinct Paleo-Balkan language, usually taken to be either Illyrian or Thracian. this is what linguistics believe, if you think them to be wrong, do the following, enroll to study Albanology and show where they are wrong. in the mean time, lose yourself in other pointless fairy tales about Dushan, Lazar & Obilic. p.s. have fun waiting for Kosova for another 500 years :-)

your abasador finds as french say,a cheval de bataille! or a way to be somebody in Serbia!it is very strange how serbian politician become famous throught kosovo...And once they are in power help us a lot,as milosheviq did(he did so much for kosovothat now this territory is out of Serbia!)Your ambasador and his prose reminds me these great hours of serbian hystery and it seams that you are ready for a new war!hope you will not be disapointed because we were,we are,and we will always be there,each time more concerned !i am sure that thanks to your politicians,we will all albania and kosovo united!So mister ambasador,just go on with your old hysterical obsession:each time you do more for albanian nationalism than albanian nationalists themself!Just go on !

Ari,

Talking about Israel involvement....don't worrry USA is doing a good job....Stop talking about Albanian muslum state....it makes you look more and more ridiculous.

Extremists Establish Foothold in the Balkans
by Irfan Al-Alawi
September 24, 2012
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3360/kosovo-peace-tv

as for the other smart Albanian who writes about "waiting another 500 years" - it won´t take that long, I am sure of that.
(Jovan, 24 October 2012 17:19)
If one is wanting to mock others this is not the subject one should use, as it is of Serbian origin and repeated consistently by Serbs and is the point of mockery from others of the Serbs.

@Albi

Your comments are well substantiated, except one. I object to your notion that "Great Albania" is foreign to Albanians. I urge you to visit the Albanian League of Prizren Museum in Prizren. It will become clear after your visit that the concept of "Natural Albania" does exist in the minds of at least some Albanians. To me, an outsider looking in on the whole situation, it is difficult to distinguish tangible differences between the concept of Greater Serbia and Natural Albania. Much of what Batakovic is quoted as saying here is questionable. However, conflating Greater Albania and Natural Albania does not seem outlandish to me.

Now this is obviously an old nationalistic rhetoric to create fear of a non existent threat.

If by Greater Albania it is meant some absurd map of the four Ottoman Vilayets or that of all present Albanian inhabited lands not only it won't happen but also it doesn't exist except in the minds of fear mongers and extreme Alb nationalists. Alb do not have the capabilities, the will or desire to create it.

However if by 'Greater Albania' it is meant a possible unification between Albania and Kosovo, then based predictions are difficult.

First let me make clear that it wouldn't pose a threat as it could be done peacefully by expression of referendums and it wouldn't enhance military capabilities to an extent which could be a threat. Kosovo as it currently stands has no real army while Albania has some 14,500 troops poorly equipped, no tanks or fighter jets. Greece is far more superior and Serbia is still considerably better. Macedonia is weaker as it currently stands so is no difference. Either way this is if it actually did try anything which it is not and either-way stands no chance militarily. But history shows that Alb elites are not trying even to unite the two countries except 'Selfdetermination Movement' in Kosovo. Most Alb would like the two countries joined but their elites love only their chairs. They could potentially do that if the circumstances change and there is real elite efforts, but for now it's improbable.

Note that other 'Greater neighbors' are as absurd.