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Sunday, 30.09.2012.

15:54

“We will only join EU with Kosovo”

Kosovo is just one of the issues on the EU pathway but it is not more difficult than combat against corruption or the badly implemented judicial reform.

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lowe

pre 11 godina

"I never said that EU's fate is tied to Halley's Comet... anyway, as you can see that are some closer risks than Halley's passage in 2061 :)
(icj1, 3 October 2012 05:17)"

You didn't say it in this thread. But I recalled you jumped in when Mircea and I were talking about whether EU would still be around in 2022 in another thread. You had talked about Halley's Comet which however won't be near Earth till 2061 according to some onine articles. And you never did answer my question in that thread about how Halley's Comet is relevant to 2022.

As for this thread, so you now decided to bring the EU's possible demise forward to 2029? And not because of financial reasons but because of that heavenly body? Which was why I asked you what happened to 2061. Well?

icj1

pre 11 godina

So you now expect the EU to be around until 2029? What happened to your recent speculation about EU's fate being possibly tied to Halley's Comet and 2061? Why the sudden fast forward by 32 whole years?
(lowe, 2 October 2012 11:29)

I never said that EU's fate is tied to Halley's Comet... anyway, as you can see that are some closer risks than Halley's passage in 2061 :)

lowe

pre 11 godina

"Absolutely, there are so many uncertain things until than. So, yes, we have to make a few assumptions that not only the EU, but all of us are still around by then :)

[link]
(icj1, 2 October 2012 03:56)"

So you now expect the EU to be around until 2029? What happened to your recent speculation about EU's fate being possibly tied to Halley's Comet and 2061? Why the sudden fast forward by 32 whole years?

icj1

pre 11 godina

“We will only join EU with Kosovo”

Assuming of course that the EU itself is still around to accept new membership!

[link]
[link]/
(lowe, 1 October 2012 03:16)

Absolutely, there are so many uncertain things until than. So, yes, we have to make a few assumptions that not only the EU, but all of us are still around by then :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis

lowe

pre 11 godina

“We will only join EU with Kosovo”

Assuming of course that the EU itself is still around to accept new membership!

http://www.naturalnews.com/036165_European_Union_bank_runs_financial_collapse.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/05/09/roubini-european-union-to-breakup-once-contagion-hits-italy-and-spain/

iso

pre 11 godina

(Ari Gold, 30 September 2012 20:30)

Really? Tell that to the Kosovo costumers when u arrive at the border , if u ever will arrive anytime soon , you`ll give them a good laugh

Oh btw: 1.7 mln still > 100 thousand at least this applies here where I live I don`t know about serbia though :D

Mark

pre 11 godina

Neither of them depends on Serbia. You are not going to have Kosovo and you will not get into EU.Start turning into a little Ukraine and follow Putin.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

It is not fair to take in consideration the opinion of 100thousand serbs and ignore those of 2 mln albanians. Just saying..
(iso, 30 September 2012 18:28)

There are not 2 million Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija. That is another myth. There are not even 2 million people in total in Kosovo i Metohija. The more accurate number is about 1.7 million with about 1.3-1.4 million of that being Albanians.

And unlike Bosnia which is completely divided, the Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija are just a small region at the southernmost point of Serbia with separatist ambitions. Nothing more nothing less.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Personally I don't think Serbia will ever join the EU but just consider this for a second.

If Serbia slows down its EU accession by a few "decades", giving enough time for Pristina to be ready, then both could join at the same time. Serbia would just say we are entering with KiM while "Kosova"* will say we are joining as an "independent" mafia state.

In that scenario, the customs issue would be solved as the EU is one customs zone. The border issue would be solved via Schengen and the other issues would be solved through negotiations prior to membership. No recognition necessary (like Ireland/Northern Ireland).

Hey, we could even hold hands as the Titanic sinks and die together, though I think the Titanic will be long gone before such a scenario would see the light.

iso

pre 11 godina

“It is not fair to shift the burden of the EU integration to Kosovo Serbs, to make them some sort of a burden for Serbia and people who stand in the way of our future and progress. We will either join the EU together or we will not join it at all"

It is not fair to take in consideration the opinion of 100thousand serbs and ignore those of 2 mln albanians. Just saying..

Kiko

pre 11 godina

That is highly unlikely. Corruption in Kosovo/a is much higher. Reforms are not at the same level in both countries. The EU sees Kosovo/a as a separate nation. The PM has said he prefers partition ibar north to remain with Serbia.

If this guy is talking about the north then he can assume that, but it's been clearly stated that there will be no partition even by the 5 members who don't recognize Kosovo/a.

The two entities are at two different levels in the EU process. Serbia has an advantage while Kosovo/a is at a disadvantage. So saying they will join at the same time is utterly untrue.

It's ironic how nationalist Serbs want Kosovo/a but not the people. If its one entity then why the discrimination towards the minority group of Albanians bc based on the constitution currently in place which never went through a debate but was pushed haistingly all inhabitants of Kosovo/a are Serb citizens. Yet each Serb lashes out with belittling the ethnic Albanians as criminals and thieves, yet you never focus on the proportional crimes committed in Serbia proper. There are many more criminals in Serbia proper and statistically can be proven. Criminals have no ethnicity and should be eradicated by all.

Is this a fight for the people or a fight of criminals to see who's better. And both sides give criminals a voice greater than an honest person on either side. The people need to be their own advocates and stand up for their rights & hold politicians accountable. Peace to all!

think about it

pre 11 godina

I think that has been the plan all along, Serbia will join the EU with or at the same time as Kosovo, just not as a single entity. For those of you who believe him, the one question you have to ask yourself, why has Serbia NOT included Kosovo in any of its talks with the EU to date?

EA

pre 11 godina

"...the final result of the upcoming dialogue could not be implicit acceptance of the situation in the field and rejected a possibility that an agreement on good neighborly relations with Kosovo could be a starting point for the talks."

So what it will be if there would be? Can you immagine a crossbreed between a cat and a dog? How it will look like? The Serbian political "scientists" are on the move to catch the ball....)))

iso

pre 11 godina

“It is not fair to shift the burden of the EU integration to Kosovo Serbs, to make them some sort of a burden for Serbia and people who stand in the way of our future and progress. We will either join the EU together or we will not join it at all"

It is not fair to take in consideration the opinion of 100thousand serbs and ignore those of 2 mln albanians. Just saying..

Mark

pre 11 godina

Neither of them depends on Serbia. You are not going to have Kosovo and you will not get into EU.Start turning into a little Ukraine and follow Putin.

think about it

pre 11 godina

I think that has been the plan all along, Serbia will join the EU with or at the same time as Kosovo, just not as a single entity. For those of you who believe him, the one question you have to ask yourself, why has Serbia NOT included Kosovo in any of its talks with the EU to date?

EA

pre 11 godina

"...the final result of the upcoming dialogue could not be implicit acceptance of the situation in the field and rejected a possibility that an agreement on good neighborly relations with Kosovo could be a starting point for the talks."

So what it will be if there would be? Can you immagine a crossbreed between a cat and a dog? How it will look like? The Serbian political "scientists" are on the move to catch the ball....)))

Kiko

pre 11 godina

That is highly unlikely. Corruption in Kosovo/a is much higher. Reforms are not at the same level in both countries. The EU sees Kosovo/a as a separate nation. The PM has said he prefers partition ibar north to remain with Serbia.

If this guy is talking about the north then he can assume that, but it's been clearly stated that there will be no partition even by the 5 members who don't recognize Kosovo/a.

The two entities are at two different levels in the EU process. Serbia has an advantage while Kosovo/a is at a disadvantage. So saying they will join at the same time is utterly untrue.

It's ironic how nationalist Serbs want Kosovo/a but not the people. If its one entity then why the discrimination towards the minority group of Albanians bc based on the constitution currently in place which never went through a debate but was pushed haistingly all inhabitants of Kosovo/a are Serb citizens. Yet each Serb lashes out with belittling the ethnic Albanians as criminals and thieves, yet you never focus on the proportional crimes committed in Serbia proper. There are many more criminals in Serbia proper and statistically can be proven. Criminals have no ethnicity and should be eradicated by all.

Is this a fight for the people or a fight of criminals to see who's better. And both sides give criminals a voice greater than an honest person on either side. The people need to be their own advocates and stand up for their rights & hold politicians accountable. Peace to all!

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Personally I don't think Serbia will ever join the EU but just consider this for a second.

If Serbia slows down its EU accession by a few "decades", giving enough time for Pristina to be ready, then both could join at the same time. Serbia would just say we are entering with KiM while "Kosova"* will say we are joining as an "independent" mafia state.

In that scenario, the customs issue would be solved as the EU is one customs zone. The border issue would be solved via Schengen and the other issues would be solved through negotiations prior to membership. No recognition necessary (like Ireland/Northern Ireland).

Hey, we could even hold hands as the Titanic sinks and die together, though I think the Titanic will be long gone before such a scenario would see the light.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

It is not fair to take in consideration the opinion of 100thousand serbs and ignore those of 2 mln albanians. Just saying..
(iso, 30 September 2012 18:28)

There are not 2 million Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija. That is another myth. There are not even 2 million people in total in Kosovo i Metohija. The more accurate number is about 1.7 million with about 1.3-1.4 million of that being Albanians.

And unlike Bosnia which is completely divided, the Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija are just a small region at the southernmost point of Serbia with separatist ambitions. Nothing more nothing less.

iso

pre 11 godina

(Ari Gold, 30 September 2012 20:30)

Really? Tell that to the Kosovo costumers when u arrive at the border , if u ever will arrive anytime soon , you`ll give them a good laugh

Oh btw: 1.7 mln still > 100 thousand at least this applies here where I live I don`t know about serbia though :D

lowe

pre 11 godina

“We will only join EU with Kosovo”

Assuming of course that the EU itself is still around to accept new membership!

http://www.naturalnews.com/036165_European_Union_bank_runs_financial_collapse.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/05/09/roubini-european-union-to-breakup-once-contagion-hits-italy-and-spain/

lowe

pre 11 godina

"Absolutely, there are so many uncertain things until than. So, yes, we have to make a few assumptions that not only the EU, but all of us are still around by then :)

[link]
(icj1, 2 October 2012 03:56)"

So you now expect the EU to be around until 2029? What happened to your recent speculation about EU's fate being possibly tied to Halley's Comet and 2061? Why the sudden fast forward by 32 whole years?

lowe

pre 11 godina

"I never said that EU's fate is tied to Halley's Comet... anyway, as you can see that are some closer risks than Halley's passage in 2061 :)
(icj1, 3 October 2012 05:17)"

You didn't say it in this thread. But I recalled you jumped in when Mircea and I were talking about whether EU would still be around in 2022 in another thread. You had talked about Halley's Comet which however won't be near Earth till 2061 according to some onine articles. And you never did answer my question in that thread about how Halley's Comet is relevant to 2022.

As for this thread, so you now decided to bring the EU's possible demise forward to 2029? And not because of financial reasons but because of that heavenly body? Which was why I asked you what happened to 2061. Well?

icj1

pre 11 godina

“We will only join EU with Kosovo”

Assuming of course that the EU itself is still around to accept new membership!

[link]
[link]/
(lowe, 1 October 2012 03:16)

Absolutely, there are so many uncertain things until than. So, yes, we have to make a few assumptions that not only the EU, but all of us are still around by then :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis

icj1

pre 11 godina

So you now expect the EU to be around until 2029? What happened to your recent speculation about EU's fate being possibly tied to Halley's Comet and 2061? Why the sudden fast forward by 32 whole years?
(lowe, 2 October 2012 11:29)

I never said that EU's fate is tied to Halley's Comet... anyway, as you can see that are some closer risks than Halley's passage in 2061 :)

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

It is not fair to take in consideration the opinion of 100thousand serbs and ignore those of 2 mln albanians. Just saying..
(iso, 30 September 2012 18:28)

There are not 2 million Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija. That is another myth. There are not even 2 million people in total in Kosovo i Metohija. The more accurate number is about 1.7 million with about 1.3-1.4 million of that being Albanians.

And unlike Bosnia which is completely divided, the Albanians in Kosovo i Metohija are just a small region at the southernmost point of Serbia with separatist ambitions. Nothing more nothing less.

iso

pre 11 godina

“It is not fair to shift the burden of the EU integration to Kosovo Serbs, to make them some sort of a burden for Serbia and people who stand in the way of our future and progress. We will either join the EU together or we will not join it at all"

It is not fair to take in consideration the opinion of 100thousand serbs and ignore those of 2 mln albanians. Just saying..

Kiko

pre 11 godina

That is highly unlikely. Corruption in Kosovo/a is much higher. Reforms are not at the same level in both countries. The EU sees Kosovo/a as a separate nation. The PM has said he prefers partition ibar north to remain with Serbia.

If this guy is talking about the north then he can assume that, but it's been clearly stated that there will be no partition even by the 5 members who don't recognize Kosovo/a.

The two entities are at two different levels in the EU process. Serbia has an advantage while Kosovo/a is at a disadvantage. So saying they will join at the same time is utterly untrue.

It's ironic how nationalist Serbs want Kosovo/a but not the people. If its one entity then why the discrimination towards the minority group of Albanians bc based on the constitution currently in place which never went through a debate but was pushed haistingly all inhabitants of Kosovo/a are Serb citizens. Yet each Serb lashes out with belittling the ethnic Albanians as criminals and thieves, yet you never focus on the proportional crimes committed in Serbia proper. There are many more criminals in Serbia proper and statistically can be proven. Criminals have no ethnicity and should be eradicated by all.

Is this a fight for the people or a fight of criminals to see who's better. And both sides give criminals a voice greater than an honest person on either side. The people need to be their own advocates and stand up for their rights & hold politicians accountable. Peace to all!

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Personally I don't think Serbia will ever join the EU but just consider this for a second.

If Serbia slows down its EU accession by a few "decades", giving enough time for Pristina to be ready, then both could join at the same time. Serbia would just say we are entering with KiM while "Kosova"* will say we are joining as an "independent" mafia state.

In that scenario, the customs issue would be solved as the EU is one customs zone. The border issue would be solved via Schengen and the other issues would be solved through negotiations prior to membership. No recognition necessary (like Ireland/Northern Ireland).

Hey, we could even hold hands as the Titanic sinks and die together, though I think the Titanic will be long gone before such a scenario would see the light.

EA

pre 11 godina

"...the final result of the upcoming dialogue could not be implicit acceptance of the situation in the field and rejected a possibility that an agreement on good neighborly relations with Kosovo could be a starting point for the talks."

So what it will be if there would be? Can you immagine a crossbreed between a cat and a dog? How it will look like? The Serbian political "scientists" are on the move to catch the ball....)))

think about it

pre 11 godina

I think that has been the plan all along, Serbia will join the EU with or at the same time as Kosovo, just not as a single entity. For those of you who believe him, the one question you have to ask yourself, why has Serbia NOT included Kosovo in any of its talks with the EU to date?

Mark

pre 11 godina

Neither of them depends on Serbia. You are not going to have Kosovo and you will not get into EU.Start turning into a little Ukraine and follow Putin.

lowe

pre 11 godina

“We will only join EU with Kosovo”

Assuming of course that the EU itself is still around to accept new membership!

http://www.naturalnews.com/036165_European_Union_bank_runs_financial_collapse.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/05/09/roubini-european-union-to-breakup-once-contagion-hits-italy-and-spain/

iso

pre 11 godina

(Ari Gold, 30 September 2012 20:30)

Really? Tell that to the Kosovo costumers when u arrive at the border , if u ever will arrive anytime soon , you`ll give them a good laugh

Oh btw: 1.7 mln still > 100 thousand at least this applies here where I live I don`t know about serbia though :D

icj1

pre 11 godina

“We will only join EU with Kosovo”

Assuming of course that the EU itself is still around to accept new membership!

[link]
[link]/
(lowe, 1 October 2012 03:16)

Absolutely, there are so many uncertain things until than. So, yes, we have to make a few assumptions that not only the EU, but all of us are still around by then :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis

icj1

pre 11 godina

So you now expect the EU to be around until 2029? What happened to your recent speculation about EU's fate being possibly tied to Halley's Comet and 2061? Why the sudden fast forward by 32 whole years?
(lowe, 2 October 2012 11:29)

I never said that EU's fate is tied to Halley's Comet... anyway, as you can see that are some closer risks than Halley's passage in 2061 :)

lowe

pre 11 godina

"Absolutely, there are so many uncertain things until than. So, yes, we have to make a few assumptions that not only the EU, but all of us are still around by then :)

[link]
(icj1, 2 October 2012 03:56)"

So you now expect the EU to be around until 2029? What happened to your recent speculation about EU's fate being possibly tied to Halley's Comet and 2061? Why the sudden fast forward by 32 whole years?

lowe

pre 11 godina

"I never said that EU's fate is tied to Halley's Comet... anyway, as you can see that are some closer risks than Halley's passage in 2061 :)
(icj1, 3 October 2012 05:17)"

You didn't say it in this thread. But I recalled you jumped in when Mircea and I were talking about whether EU would still be around in 2022 in another thread. You had talked about Halley's Comet which however won't be near Earth till 2061 according to some onine articles. And you never did answer my question in that thread about how Halley's Comet is relevant to 2022.

As for this thread, so you now decided to bring the EU's possible demise forward to 2029? And not because of financial reasons but because of that heavenly body? Which was why I asked you what happened to 2061. Well?