"Crisis used to pressure Greece to recognize Kosovo"
Greece will not recognize Kosovo, Greek Ambassador to Belgrade Dimosthenis Stoidis told Serbian Parliament Speaker Nebojša Stefanović on Thursday in Belgrade.
P.S. That is an obvious answer
(icj1, 8 September 2012 18:50)
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A lot more principled that the US. Just because someone calls themselves democratic doesn't mean they are.
I wonder why the US wants Julian Assange so badly.
LOL so Ioannina isn't Albanian? In that case all your complaining about Cham Albanians in Greece are irrelevant as well :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 7 September 2012 17:24)
Balkan you have the nickname of scientist and you disappoint me that not understood me. Anyway I’ll put it simple for you. Janina was an Albanian city and surrounding of Nish was all Albanian till Balkan War 1912-13.
http://archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft
Is the Greek Ambassador speaking on record here? If so, why has he not provided further details? I for one would relish at the opportunity to embarrass those that are applying the 'pressure'. My guess is he is talking out of his backside.
"I wonder if all countries were left to make a decision without any pressure from more powerful countries, how many recognitions would "Kosova" get. I doubt there would be many at all. Only countries who stand to benefit directly from it would."
(Peggy, 7 September 2012 12:47)
Especially the countries who have ministers and presidents who directly benefited from Mr. Pacolli did :)
a Greek friend here may tell another truth that we lose another our city Nis. I know that you intention was to hurt us but I’m sure that your Greek friends will not like this.
(dori tirana, 7 September 2012 09:56)
LOL so Ioannina isn't Albanian? In that case all your complaining about Cham Albanians in Greece are irrelevant as well :)
Anyone throwing mud at the ambassador for simply saying the truth has only to benefit from it in distorting what indeed happens behind curtains. Not only they pressured them for that but they also pressure them to recognize northern Cyprus, to sell islands in the Aegean to Turkey, and not the least to recognize Macedonia with its name.
I'm no nationalist but i do find this most amusing. In any case pressuring Greece for such an insignificant thing would have been madness from a political point of view since it was a major interest for the EU not to let Greece fail as it would have taken the whole ship with it.
One more thing i read the policy of the comments here... anyone else finds some absurdities???
"if this was true, greece would have given way long ago. frankly greece is at the mercy of EU cash and as such, i assume if this crisis was used in the bailouts it went on like this: you recognize Kosova, we give you the money. "
(Nikolle, 6 September 2012 21:59)
Right. It's pure nonsense, as if would be of any major importance for the EU if individual countries recognize Kosovo or not. The pressure Greece gets from the EU is to fight the imminent corruption and tax evasion, and to stop spending too much money on a bloated public administration.
Wow, look at the Albanians scurrying to deny it.
I wonder if all countries were left to make a decision without any pressure from more powerful countries, how many recognitions would "Kosova" get.
I doubt there would be many at all. Only countries who stand to benefit directly from it would.
And yet Greece still took Jannina. Oh I'm sorry, Ioannina :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 7 September 2012 05:24)
Noooo.. Balkan. You are betraying your ally in falsifying history. If you tell the truth that we lose our city Janina, a Greek friend here may tell another truth that we lose another our city Nis. I know that you intention was to hurt us but I’m sure that your Greek friends will not like this.
Stinking EU scum, using the economic crisis in Greece to pressure them to recognize an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM. That is the lowest of the low.
(ecoman, 6 September 2012 21:45)
According to the CE of the B92 forums sj China is doing exactly the same thing; using the economic crisis in the EU and US to pressure them to to no longer support an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM in order to get loans from China (since Serbia is China's top national priority). And China is a country of high principles and I can never accept (and I'm sure sj shares the same opinion) for the China actions to be called the "lowest of the low".
I highly doubt it. Maybe Stoidis wants to look a bit like a hero here. That's fine, but really no one is pushing Greece to recognize Kosova. We don't want a recognition under pressure either.
Greece will come around. They were under the Ottomans too and know that there is no substitution for independence. It's only a matter of time.
Greece is true friend of Serbia.
Lost: Black Sea, all West Anatolia, Thraki.
Equal failure like Serbia with Krajina, Kosova, Makedonija.
Friends in failure.
Stinking EU scum, using the economic crisis in Greece to pressure them to recognize an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM. That is the lowest of the low. Why any nation would consider joining this blackmailing, freak Union, is beyond me. Thank you Greece for standing up to these EU tyrants, and doing what is morally correct, even in the face of truly trying economic conditions. Believe me, when any member of the EU becomes a burden, instead of an asset, Brussels and Berlin will turn on them faster than smell on doodoo. I cannot wait for the total collapse of this mutant Union - and well deserved.
if this was true, greece would have given way long ago. frankly greece is at the mercy of EU cash and as such, i assume if this crisis was used in the bailouts it went on like this: you recognize Kosova, we give you the money. of course such a thing has never happened. if i had to be really unkind, I'd say the Greek Ambassador is simply posturing and trying to come across as strong willed.
Stinking EU scum, using the economic crisis in Greece to pressure them to recognize an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM. That is the lowest of the low. Why any nation would consider joining this blackmailing, freak Union, is beyond me. Thank you Greece for standing up to these EU tyrants, and doing what is morally correct, even in the face of truly trying economic conditions. Believe me, when any member of the EU becomes a burden, instead of an asset, Brussels and Berlin will turn on them faster than smell on doodoo. I cannot wait for the total collapse of this mutant Union - and well deserved.
Greece is true friend of Serbia.
Lost: Black Sea, all West Anatolia, Thraki.
Equal failure like Serbia with Krajina, Kosova, Makedonija.
Friends in failure.
if this was true, greece would have given way long ago. frankly greece is at the mercy of EU cash and as such, i assume if this crisis was used in the bailouts it went on like this: you recognize Kosova, we give you the money. of course such a thing has never happened. if i had to be really unkind, I'd say the Greek Ambassador is simply posturing and trying to come across as strong willed.
Wow, look at the Albanians scurrying to deny it.
I wonder if all countries were left to make a decision without any pressure from more powerful countries, how many recognitions would "Kosova" get.
I doubt there would be many at all. Only countries who stand to benefit directly from it would.
I highly doubt it. Maybe Stoidis wants to look a bit like a hero here. That's fine, but really no one is pushing Greece to recognize Kosova. We don't want a recognition under pressure either.
Greece will come around. They were under the Ottomans too and know that there is no substitution for independence. It's only a matter of time.
Stinking EU scum, using the economic crisis in Greece to pressure them to recognize an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM. That is the lowest of the low.
(ecoman, 6 September 2012 21:45)
According to the CE of the B92 forums sj China is doing exactly the same thing; using the economic crisis in the EU and US to pressure them to to no longer support an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM in order to get loans from China (since Serbia is China's top national priority). And China is a country of high principles and I can never accept (and I'm sure sj shares the same opinion) for the China actions to be called the "lowest of the low".
And yet Greece still took Jannina. Oh I'm sorry, Ioannina :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 7 September 2012 05:24)
Noooo.. Balkan. You are betraying your ally in falsifying history. If you tell the truth that we lose our city Janina, a Greek friend here may tell another truth that we lose another our city Nis. I know that you intention was to hurt us but I’m sure that your Greek friends will not like this.
"if this was true, greece would have given way long ago. frankly greece is at the mercy of EU cash and as such, i assume if this crisis was used in the bailouts it went on like this: you recognize Kosova, we give you the money. "
(Nikolle, 6 September 2012 21:59)
Right. It's pure nonsense, as if would be of any major importance for the EU if individual countries recognize Kosovo or not. The pressure Greece gets from the EU is to fight the imminent corruption and tax evasion, and to stop spending too much money on a bloated public administration.
a Greek friend here may tell another truth that we lose another our city Nis. I know that you intention was to hurt us but I’m sure that your Greek friends will not like this.
(dori tirana, 7 September 2012 09:56)
LOL so Ioannina isn't Albanian? In that case all your complaining about Cham Albanians in Greece are irrelevant as well :)
Anyone throwing mud at the ambassador for simply saying the truth has only to benefit from it in distorting what indeed happens behind curtains. Not only they pressured them for that but they also pressure them to recognize northern Cyprus, to sell islands in the Aegean to Turkey, and not the least to recognize Macedonia with its name.
I'm no nationalist but i do find this most amusing. In any case pressuring Greece for such an insignificant thing would have been madness from a political point of view since it was a major interest for the EU not to let Greece fail as it would have taken the whole ship with it.
One more thing i read the policy of the comments here... anyone else finds some absurdities???
"I wonder if all countries were left to make a decision without any pressure from more powerful countries, how many recognitions would "Kosova" get. I doubt there would be many at all. Only countries who stand to benefit directly from it would."
(Peggy, 7 September 2012 12:47)
Especially the countries who have ministers and presidents who directly benefited from Mr. Pacolli did :)
LOL so Ioannina isn't Albanian? In that case all your complaining about Cham Albanians in Greece are irrelevant as well :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 7 September 2012 17:24)
Balkan you have the nickname of scientist and you disappoint me that not understood me. Anyway I’ll put it simple for you. Janina was an Albanian city and surrounding of Nish was all Albanian till Balkan War 1912-13.
http://archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft
Is the Greek Ambassador speaking on record here? If so, why has he not provided further details? I for one would relish at the opportunity to embarrass those that are applying the 'pressure'. My guess is he is talking out of his backside.
P.S. That is an obvious answer
(icj1, 8 September 2012 18:50)
==================================
A lot more principled that the US. Just because someone calls themselves democratic doesn't mean they are.
I wonder why the US wants Julian Assange so badly.
Greece is true friend of Serbia.
Lost: Black Sea, all West Anatolia, Thraki.
Equal failure like Serbia with Krajina, Kosova, Makedonija.
Friends in failure.
Stinking EU scum, using the economic crisis in Greece to pressure them to recognize an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM. That is the lowest of the low. Why any nation would consider joining this blackmailing, freak Union, is beyond me. Thank you Greece for standing up to these EU tyrants, and doing what is morally correct, even in the face of truly trying economic conditions. Believe me, when any member of the EU becomes a burden, instead of an asset, Brussels and Berlin will turn on them faster than smell on doodoo. I cannot wait for the total collapse of this mutant Union - and well deserved.
if this was true, greece would have given way long ago. frankly greece is at the mercy of EU cash and as such, i assume if this crisis was used in the bailouts it went on like this: you recognize Kosova, we give you the money. of course such a thing has never happened. if i had to be really unkind, I'd say the Greek Ambassador is simply posturing and trying to come across as strong willed.
Stinking EU scum, using the economic crisis in Greece to pressure them to recognize an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM. That is the lowest of the low.
(ecoman, 6 September 2012 21:45)
According to the CE of the B92 forums sj China is doing exactly the same thing; using the economic crisis in the EU and US to pressure them to to no longer support an illegitimate Albanian State in KiM in order to get loans from China (since Serbia is China's top national priority). And China is a country of high principles and I can never accept (and I'm sure sj shares the same opinion) for the China actions to be called the "lowest of the low".
And yet Greece still took Jannina. Oh I'm sorry, Ioannina :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 7 September 2012 05:24)
Noooo.. Balkan. You are betraying your ally in falsifying history. If you tell the truth that we lose our city Janina, a Greek friend here may tell another truth that we lose another our city Nis. I know that you intention was to hurt us but I’m sure that your Greek friends will not like this.
I highly doubt it. Maybe Stoidis wants to look a bit like a hero here. That's fine, but really no one is pushing Greece to recognize Kosova. We don't want a recognition under pressure either.
Greece will come around. They were under the Ottomans too and know that there is no substitution for independence. It's only a matter of time.
Wow, look at the Albanians scurrying to deny it.
I wonder if all countries were left to make a decision without any pressure from more powerful countries, how many recognitions would "Kosova" get.
I doubt there would be many at all. Only countries who stand to benefit directly from it would.
Is the Greek Ambassador speaking on record here? If so, why has he not provided further details? I for one would relish at the opportunity to embarrass those that are applying the 'pressure'. My guess is he is talking out of his backside.
"if this was true, greece would have given way long ago. frankly greece is at the mercy of EU cash and as such, i assume if this crisis was used in the bailouts it went on like this: you recognize Kosova, we give you the money. "
(Nikolle, 6 September 2012 21:59)
Right. It's pure nonsense, as if would be of any major importance for the EU if individual countries recognize Kosovo or not. The pressure Greece gets from the EU is to fight the imminent corruption and tax evasion, and to stop spending too much money on a bloated public administration.
Anyone throwing mud at the ambassador for simply saying the truth has only to benefit from it in distorting what indeed happens behind curtains. Not only they pressured them for that but they also pressure them to recognize northern Cyprus, to sell islands in the Aegean to Turkey, and not the least to recognize Macedonia with its name.
I'm no nationalist but i do find this most amusing. In any case pressuring Greece for such an insignificant thing would have been madness from a political point of view since it was a major interest for the EU not to let Greece fail as it would have taken the whole ship with it.
One more thing i read the policy of the comments here... anyone else finds some absurdities???
a Greek friend here may tell another truth that we lose another our city Nis. I know that you intention was to hurt us but I’m sure that your Greek friends will not like this.
(dori tirana, 7 September 2012 09:56)
LOL so Ioannina isn't Albanian? In that case all your complaining about Cham Albanians in Greece are irrelevant as well :)
"I wonder if all countries were left to make a decision without any pressure from more powerful countries, how many recognitions would "Kosova" get. I doubt there would be many at all. Only countries who stand to benefit directly from it would."
(Peggy, 7 September 2012 12:47)
Especially the countries who have ministers and presidents who directly benefited from Mr. Pacolli did :)
LOL so Ioannina isn't Albanian? In that case all your complaining about Cham Albanians in Greece are irrelevant as well :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 7 September 2012 17:24)
Balkan you have the nickname of scientist and you disappoint me that not understood me. Anyway I’ll put it simple for you. Janina was an Albanian city and surrounding of Nish was all Albanian till Balkan War 1912-13.
http://archive.org/details/reportofinternat00inteuoft
P.S. That is an obvious answer
(icj1, 8 September 2012 18:50)
==================================
A lot more principled that the US. Just because someone calls themselves democratic doesn't mean they are.
I wonder why the US wants Julian Assange so badly.
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