Kosovo talks round ends, no new agreements

Oh, my! What do you expect her to say? That life was fantastical whe Kosovo was ruled by Serbia and they want to go back?
(metrod, 22 November 2011 14:36)

Not at all. She and her colleagues just need to say the truth. Kosovo isn't close to the EU. Even though Serbia is still far away, if Serbia is 100 miles away then Kosovo is 10,000 miles away. Kosovo needs Serbia's recognition more than it wants to lead its people to believe. The Germans and Brits can say what they like but Kosovo Albanians need Serbs. What is needed is negotiation on critical points, not this nonsense about diplomas. Get down to the truth. That is what Tahiri should be saying. Hey, the Serb representatives to this process are no better.

"Tahiri just says what she believes is the right thing to say (i.e., what the EU supporters want her to say). I would respect her and her Albanian colleagues if they had backbones. Instead they do whatever their masters tell them to do. The same can be said for Tadic and his fellow German lapdogs. This meeting is a farce.
Daniel"

Oh, my! What do you expect her to say? That life was fantastical whe Kosovo was ruled by Serbia and they want to go back?

"We are aware that serbian recognision is never going to happened,so we have to work to secure more recognision from other countries in order to get 128 and be member of UN. "
(Mirel from Albania, 22 November 2011 18:15)
Better 'work' on an agreement with Serbia, otherwise 'you' will never be a UN member due to vetoes of China and Russia.

Tahiri just says what she believes is the right thing to say (i.e., what the EU supporters want her to say). I would respect her and her Albanian colleagues if they had backbones. Instead they do whatever their masters tell them to do. The same can be said for Tadic and his fellow German lapdogs. This meeting is a farce.

Recognizing diplomas should have been the last thing to be agreed on! Those universities and the degrees they issued were built for and payed for on the backs of Serbian citizens. An uneducated, agrarian, unemployable populace was given education, where they learned concepts like "self determination". The historical, economic and political records on these matters speak for themselves. Today, all the same conditions exist, but now the EU can pay for the cost of tuition. One problem remains. Drug smuggling pays better than a poly-science degree!

They can recognise PhDs but who will give these Albaninas a job in Serbia? No one. This is proof of what I have been saying for a long time that the EU wants Serbia to provide employment to the Albaninas from Kosovo otherwise why recognise their diplomas????? Surely the US can take them and give them jobs in Harvard or Yale etc.

All of this is utter nonsense as the game has been taken out of Belgrade’s hands and these talks are just going through the motion with no real conclusions at all.





What's even more surprising is that you refer to the Albanians as uneducated. The CIA reported that about 20% of Serbs are iliterate.
According to Serbian institutions, 20% are completely iliterate and 50% are functionally iliterate.

I don't know where you are reading these 'facts' or if you are reading at all.

Such statements make you look...
(metrod, 22 November 2011 20:44)

You’re quoting from the CIA world book. This is from an organisation which has had 11 of its operative captured in Iran only yesterday – those bungling idiots!!!.

These are the same people who until very recently were publishing on their website that Estonia had a higher GDP than Russia.

The vast majority of people that fall into the illiterate category are the Roma and Albanians.

You really are scrapping the bottom of your knowledge barrel, the CIA.

Borko is kissing Edita's behind every turn he makes. Nice reporting b92. Please ,report the truth as is.

@ Daniel!
We are aware that serbian recognision is never going to happened,so we have to work to secure more recognision from other countries in order to get 128 and be member of UN.
Serbia never will recognise Kosova,it is in its constitution and none of its politicians will take the chance to see the reality in the ground and accept it because will be traitor for life.
So yes we need the serbian recognision,but because this recognision will never come we have to use other ways to get into UN.
Secondly,Serbia will not get into EU without recognising Kosova.
So is up to you guys to see that Prishtina,Pec,Prizren etc will not be under serbian rule,but as far as I see you still believe that you rule in Kosova.Keep dreaming,meanwhile more and more states are recognising Kosova!

“Priština still insists on symbols that would confirm their statehood and this will make reaching an agreement very difficult. The administrative line will never be a country border for us, and they insist on it being exactly that."


Oh, my dear, we are seeing a reply of the customs stamps issue. Kosovo will put a sign at the crossings which say "Kosovo" or "Welcome to Kosovo" or "You are entering Kosovo" or something like that.

Serbia will insist that the sign should say "UNMIK Kosovo" or "Welcome to UNMIK-Kosovo" or "You are entering UNMIK-Kosovo" or something like that.

Finally, Serbia will agree with a sign that reads "Kosovo" or "Welcome to Kosovo" or "You are entering Kosovo" or something like that.

Serbia really does not grasp the concept that whatever the symbols, Serbia is not going to recognize Kosovo until Serbia says "we do recognize Kosovo".

"Not at all. She and her colleagues just need to say the truth. Kosovo isn't close to the EU. Even though Serbia is still far away, if Serbia is 100 miles away then Kosovo is 10,000 miles away. Kosovo needs Serbia's recognition more than it wants to lead its people to believe. The Germans and Brits can say what they like but Kosovo Albanians need Serbs. What is needed is negotiation on critical points, not this nonsense about diplomas. Get down to the truth. That is what Tahiri should be saying. Hey, the Serb representatives to this process are no better.
(Daniel

- Daniel, what politican does not try to sell a better version of the future? That's what gets them elected. Look at Tadic and look at Sloba. That's what got them elected.

Kosovo has a long way to go before they join the EU. But, so does Serbia. And, they both need each other, that's if they want to move foward quicker. They may not admit it. Or, they can exist without each other. But, that would only hinder their growth.

As far as telling the truth, it's the Serb government that's lying more to their people. And, that's not to say that the Kosovo government isn't.
But, when it comes to Kosovo the game is over. These talks are meaningless and will bear no fruit.

Kosovo is in it to play ball because it looks better in the eyes of the international community. Serbian ruling party is in it to buy time and save face.

Realistically, what can come out of these talks?

Kosovo will plug away and slowly get more recognitions. Once they reach 128 they will get a seat at the UN. The Serb elite will come out with the good ole 'We will never recognize Kosovo' but in reality they'll acknowledge that they've tried for years and couldn't do anything about it. You know, 'the world against us' mentality.
This is how they will save face. And, Russia and China will do nothing about it.

BTW, Jeremic has been laying low lately.



"Recognizing diplomas should have been the last thing to be agreed on! Those universities and the degrees they issued were built for and payed for on the backs of Serbian citizens. An uneducated, agrarian, unemployable populace was given education, where they learned concepts like "self determination". The historical, economic and political records on these matters speak for themselves. Today, all the same conditions exist, but now the EU can pay for the cost of tuition. One problem remains. Drug smuggling pays better than a poly-science degree!
ZZ,"

- ZZ, your emotions probably got the best of you and didn't think before you wrote this post.
Those diplomas should be recognized. They put in the time and effort to get through college. Politics aside, it's the right thing to do.
And, education was not given, it was earned.
You may've be familiar with the phrase 'Trepca radi Beograd se gradi'.
Think about that.

It appears that you're implying that Albanians have a stronghold on the drug trade. Read the Serbian version of b92 and you'll learn otherwise.
Serbs are getting cuaght left and right with kilos of herion.

What's even more surprising is that you refer to the Albanians as uneducated. The CIA reported that about 20% of Serbs are iliterate.
According to Serbian institutions, 20% are completely iliterate and 50% are functionally iliterate.

I don't know where you are reading these 'facts' or if you are reading at all.

Such statements make you look...

This talks show that Serbia has accepted Kosovo independence but is trying to make Kosovo Albanians not be show offs about it! If Kosovo goes to a regional meeting without a flag it's still at the meeting as a country!! If Diplomas are accepted through a middle man diplomas are still existing from a Kosovo state??!? Why does no one in the Serbian government oppose Kosovo independence anymore??!

If Serbs cared about Kosovo Tadic would not be president. He beat someone who did care- 2 people in fact. I don't why Tadic things any of his votes care about Kosovo. Because he campigned on it? He campaigned on EU and Kosovo and other people said Kosovo and Russia.

Recognizing diplomas should have been the last thing to be agreed on! Those universities and the degrees they issued were built for and payed for on the backs of Serbian citizens. An uneducated, agrarian, unemployable populace was given education, where they learned concepts like "self determination". The historical, economic and political records on these matters speak for themselves. Today, all the same conditions exist, but now the EU can pay for the cost of tuition. One problem remains. Drug smuggling pays better than a poly-science degree!
(ZZ, 22 November 2011 15:44)


I will give you just one example here: There is nothing worse then loosing on ICJ from someone you claim to be less educated than you, what does that tell you? Who needs more reading before they take a case foreward?... Do we need to take you to ICJ everyday to prove you wrong or you working a bit harder those days to pass the test which is on December. We are trying to help you but it seems that you (not all Serbian People thou) just dont get it!

"Secondly, Serbia will not get into EU without recognizing "Kosova"."

So is the EU going to kick out the five countries who out of principle also refuse to recognize "Kosova"? Remember that if Serbia does not get in because of this then "Kosova" will certainly not get in (remember those five)! In addition, obviously "Kosova" does not recognize Serbia and so what else do you expect of Serbia?

EULEX status neutral?? ohh come on Mr. Classing. EULEX helped transporting these so called kosovo customs and police in the two crossings. which sparked this tension up to now.

Hi icj1! I hope this new incarnation of you doesn't inherit former mistakes concerning Kosovo recognitions or should we continue with our lessons?

"You’re quoting from the CIA world book. This is from an organisation which has had 11 of its operative captured in Iran only yesterday – those bungling idiots!!!.

These are the same people who until very recently were publishing on their website that Estonia had a higher GDP than Russia.

The vast majority of people that fall into the illiterate category are the Roma and Albanians.

You really are scrapping the bottom of your knowledge barrel, the CIA.
sj"

- sj, I quoted the CIA and figures that came out of Serbia which show 50% illiteracy rate. Do you mean to tell me that 50% of Serbia is populated by Albanians and Roma?

sj, I quoted the CIA and figures that came out of Serbia which show 50% illiteracy rate. Do you mean to tell me that 50% of Serbia is populated by Albanians and Roma?
(metrod, 23 November 2011 03:23)


As I said before the CIA fact book even had Estonia ahead of Russia in the economics game.

The CIA prints some of the worst crap on this planet and calls it fact. Look at Kosovo on that site, especially the economy – pure fairy tails. Real growth rate in 2010 was 4%; 22.4% of GDP is industry – what industry? BS? Unemployment is 45%, Prisitna would be jumping for joy if it was 45%; try 80%.

Please no more CIA fantasy.


I will give you just one example here: There is nothing worse then loosing on ICJ from someone you claim to be less educated than you, what does that tell you? Who needs more reading before they take a case foreward?... Do we need to take you to ICJ everyday to prove you wrong or you working a bit harder those days to pass the test which is on December. We are trying to help you but it seems that you (not all Serbian People thou) just dont get it!
(Darania, 23 November 2011 04:54)


First of all it was the US Serbia was against in the ICJ not the Albanian rabble and secondly the ICJ said that it was not illegal to say you are independent and stopped there, but please do take it to the ICJ and ask that they now proclaim that Kosovo is independent – the US would shoot any Albanian who even came close to that institution.

When you do go there post ahead I’m most interested to read about it.

EULEX status neutral?? ohh come on Mr. Classing. EULEX helped transporting these so called kosovo customs and police in the two crossings. which sparked this tension up to now.
(PRO-SERBIA, 23 November 2011 08:05)

exactly, that's the best proof that EULEX is status neutral because it is implementing UNMIK regulations since 1999 (well before the Kosovo UDI) which say that goods destined to Kosovo are subject to customs taxes.

And I can't understand how a UNMIK regulation of 1999 can spark tension now and in 2 crossings only when there is no tension whatsoever in any other Kosovo crossings with Serbia or other countries. Everybody supports resolution 1244 - Serbs and Albanians alike. So, who is "tensioned" ?!

Hi icj1! I hope this new incarnation of you doesn't inherit former mistakes concerning Kosovo recognitions or should we continue with our lessons?
(aaayyy, 23 November 2011 17:35)

ha, ha, ha... of course not because there are no mistakes :)

My number still remains at 80+ having stated they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia, unless you want to add more to that.

and yes, we are still impatiently waiting for your precious lessons; please keep up the good work.

"Tahiri just says what she believes is the right thing to say (i.e., what the EU supporters want her to say). I would respect her and her Albanian colleagues if they had backbones. Instead they do whatever their masters tell them to do. The same can be said for Tadic and his fellow German lapdogs. This meeting is a farce.
Daniel"

Oh, my! What do you expect her to say? That life was fantastical whe Kosovo was ruled by Serbia and they want to go back?

Borko is kissing Edita's behind every turn he makes. Nice reporting b92. Please ,report the truth as is.

@ Daniel!
We are aware that serbian recognision is never going to happened,so we have to work to secure more recognision from other countries in order to get 128 and be member of UN.
Serbia never will recognise Kosova,it is in its constitution and none of its politicians will take the chance to see the reality in the ground and accept it because will be traitor for life.
So yes we need the serbian recognision,but because this recognision will never come we have to use other ways to get into UN.
Secondly,Serbia will not get into EU without recognising Kosova.
So is up to you guys to see that Prishtina,Pec,Prizren etc will not be under serbian rule,but as far as I see you still believe that you rule in Kosova.Keep dreaming,meanwhile more and more states are recognising Kosova!

Tahiri just says what she believes is the right thing to say (i.e., what the EU supporters want her to say). I would respect her and her Albanian colleagues if they had backbones. Instead they do whatever their masters tell them to do. The same can be said for Tadic and his fellow German lapdogs. This meeting is a farce.

Recognizing diplomas should have been the last thing to be agreed on! Those universities and the degrees they issued were built for and payed for on the backs of Serbian citizens. An uneducated, agrarian, unemployable populace was given education, where they learned concepts like "self determination". The historical, economic and political records on these matters speak for themselves. Today, all the same conditions exist, but now the EU can pay for the cost of tuition. One problem remains. Drug smuggling pays better than a poly-science degree!

“Priština still insists on symbols that would confirm their statehood and this will make reaching an agreement very difficult. The administrative line will never be a country border for us, and they insist on it being exactly that."


Oh, my dear, we are seeing a reply of the customs stamps issue. Kosovo will put a sign at the crossings which say "Kosovo" or "Welcome to Kosovo" or "You are entering Kosovo" or something like that.

Serbia will insist that the sign should say "UNMIK Kosovo" or "Welcome to UNMIK-Kosovo" or "You are entering UNMIK-Kosovo" or something like that.

Finally, Serbia will agree with a sign that reads "Kosovo" or "Welcome to Kosovo" or "You are entering Kosovo" or something like that.

Serbia really does not grasp the concept that whatever the symbols, Serbia is not going to recognize Kosovo until Serbia says "we do recognize Kosovo".

"Not at all. She and her colleagues just need to say the truth. Kosovo isn't close to the EU. Even though Serbia is still far away, if Serbia is 100 miles away then Kosovo is 10,000 miles away. Kosovo needs Serbia's recognition more than it wants to lead its people to believe. The Germans and Brits can say what they like but Kosovo Albanians need Serbs. What is needed is negotiation on critical points, not this nonsense about diplomas. Get down to the truth. That is what Tahiri should be saying. Hey, the Serb representatives to this process are no better.
(Daniel

- Daniel, what politican does not try to sell a better version of the future? That's what gets them elected. Look at Tadic and look at Sloba. That's what got them elected.

Kosovo has a long way to go before they join the EU. But, so does Serbia. And, they both need each other, that's if they want to move foward quicker. They may not admit it. Or, they can exist without each other. But, that would only hinder their growth.

As far as telling the truth, it's the Serb government that's lying more to their people. And, that's not to say that the Kosovo government isn't.
But, when it comes to Kosovo the game is over. These talks are meaningless and will bear no fruit.

Kosovo is in it to play ball because it looks better in the eyes of the international community. Serbian ruling party is in it to buy time and save face.

Realistically, what can come out of these talks?

Kosovo will plug away and slowly get more recognitions. Once they reach 128 they will get a seat at the UN. The Serb elite will come out with the good ole 'We will never recognize Kosovo' but in reality they'll acknowledge that they've tried for years and couldn't do anything about it. You know, 'the world against us' mentality.
This is how they will save face. And, Russia and China will do nothing about it.

BTW, Jeremic has been laying low lately.



"Recognizing diplomas should have been the last thing to be agreed on! Those universities and the degrees they issued were built for and payed for on the backs of Serbian citizens. An uneducated, agrarian, unemployable populace was given education, where they learned concepts like "self determination". The historical, economic and political records on these matters speak for themselves. Today, all the same conditions exist, but now the EU can pay for the cost of tuition. One problem remains. Drug smuggling pays better than a poly-science degree!
ZZ,"

- ZZ, your emotions probably got the best of you and didn't think before you wrote this post.
Those diplomas should be recognized. They put in the time and effort to get through college. Politics aside, it's the right thing to do.
And, education was not given, it was earned.
You may've be familiar with the phrase 'Trepca radi Beograd se gradi'.
Think about that.

It appears that you're implying that Albanians have a stronghold on the drug trade. Read the Serbian version of b92 and you'll learn otherwise.
Serbs are getting cuaght left and right with kilos of herion.

What's even more surprising is that you refer to the Albanians as uneducated. The CIA reported that about 20% of Serbs are iliterate.
According to Serbian institutions, 20% are completely iliterate and 50% are functionally iliterate.

I don't know where you are reading these 'facts' or if you are reading at all.

Such statements make you look...

This talks show that Serbia has accepted Kosovo independence but is trying to make Kosovo Albanians not be show offs about it! If Kosovo goes to a regional meeting without a flag it's still at the meeting as a country!! If Diplomas are accepted through a middle man diplomas are still existing from a Kosovo state??!? Why does no one in the Serbian government oppose Kosovo independence anymore??!

Oh, my! What do you expect her to say? That life was fantastical whe Kosovo was ruled by Serbia and they want to go back?
(metrod, 22 November 2011 14:36)

Not at all. She and her colleagues just need to say the truth. Kosovo isn't close to the EU. Even though Serbia is still far away, if Serbia is 100 miles away then Kosovo is 10,000 miles away. Kosovo needs Serbia's recognition more than it wants to lead its people to believe. The Germans and Brits can say what they like but Kosovo Albanians need Serbs. What is needed is negotiation on critical points, not this nonsense about diplomas. Get down to the truth. That is what Tahiri should be saying. Hey, the Serb representatives to this process are no better.

They can recognise PhDs but who will give these Albaninas a job in Serbia? No one. This is proof of what I have been saying for a long time that the EU wants Serbia to provide employment to the Albaninas from Kosovo otherwise why recognise their diplomas????? Surely the US can take them and give them jobs in Harvard or Yale etc.

All of this is utter nonsense as the game has been taken out of Belgrade’s hands and these talks are just going through the motion with no real conclusions at all.





What's even more surprising is that you refer to the Albanians as uneducated. The CIA reported that about 20% of Serbs are iliterate.
According to Serbian institutions, 20% are completely iliterate and 50% are functionally iliterate.

I don't know where you are reading these 'facts' or if you are reading at all.

Such statements make you look...
(metrod, 22 November 2011 20:44)

You’re quoting from the CIA world book. This is from an organisation which has had 11 of its operative captured in Iran only yesterday – those bungling idiots!!!.

These are the same people who until very recently were publishing on their website that Estonia had a higher GDP than Russia.

The vast majority of people that fall into the illiterate category are the Roma and Albanians.

You really are scrapping the bottom of your knowledge barrel, the CIA.

Recognizing diplomas should have been the last thing to be agreed on! Those universities and the degrees they issued were built for and payed for on the backs of Serbian citizens. An uneducated, agrarian, unemployable populace was given education, where they learned concepts like "self determination". The historical, economic and political records on these matters speak for themselves. Today, all the same conditions exist, but now the EU can pay for the cost of tuition. One problem remains. Drug smuggling pays better than a poly-science degree!
(ZZ, 22 November 2011 15:44)


I will give you just one example here: There is nothing worse then loosing on ICJ from someone you claim to be less educated than you, what does that tell you? Who needs more reading before they take a case foreward?... Do we need to take you to ICJ everyday to prove you wrong or you working a bit harder those days to pass the test which is on December. We are trying to help you but it seems that you (not all Serbian People thou) just dont get it!

If Serbs cared about Kosovo Tadic would not be president. He beat someone who did care- 2 people in fact. I don't why Tadic things any of his votes care about Kosovo. Because he campigned on it? He campaigned on EU and Kosovo and other people said Kosovo and Russia.

"We are aware that serbian recognision is never going to happened,so we have to work to secure more recognision from other countries in order to get 128 and be member of UN. "
(Mirel from Albania, 22 November 2011 18:15)
Better 'work' on an agreement with Serbia, otherwise 'you' will never be a UN member due to vetoes of China and Russia.

Hi icj1! I hope this new incarnation of you doesn't inherit former mistakes concerning Kosovo recognitions or should we continue with our lessons?
(aaayyy, 23 November 2011 17:35)

ha, ha, ha... of course not because there are no mistakes :)

My number still remains at 80+ having stated they no longer recognize Kosovo as part of Serbia, unless you want to add more to that.

and yes, we are still impatiently waiting for your precious lessons; please keep up the good work.

"You’re quoting from the CIA world book. This is from an organisation which has had 11 of its operative captured in Iran only yesterday – those bungling idiots!!!.

These are the same people who until very recently were publishing on their website that Estonia had a higher GDP than Russia.

The vast majority of people that fall into the illiterate category are the Roma and Albanians.

You really are scrapping the bottom of your knowledge barrel, the CIA.
sj"

- sj, I quoted the CIA and figures that came out of Serbia which show 50% illiteracy rate. Do you mean to tell me that 50% of Serbia is populated by Albanians and Roma?

EULEX status neutral?? ohh come on Mr. Classing. EULEX helped transporting these so called kosovo customs and police in the two crossings. which sparked this tension up to now.
(PRO-SERBIA, 23 November 2011 08:05)

exactly, that's the best proof that EULEX is status neutral because it is implementing UNMIK regulations since 1999 (well before the Kosovo UDI) which say that goods destined to Kosovo are subject to customs taxes.

And I can't understand how a UNMIK regulation of 1999 can spark tension now and in 2 crossings only when there is no tension whatsoever in any other Kosovo crossings with Serbia or other countries. Everybody supports resolution 1244 - Serbs and Albanians alike. So, who is "tensioned" ?!

"Secondly, Serbia will not get into EU without recognizing "Kosova"."

So is the EU going to kick out the five countries who out of principle also refuse to recognize "Kosova"? Remember that if Serbia does not get in because of this then "Kosova" will certainly not get in (remember those five)! In addition, obviously "Kosova" does not recognize Serbia and so what else do you expect of Serbia?

EULEX status neutral?? ohh come on Mr. Classing. EULEX helped transporting these so called kosovo customs and police in the two crossings. which sparked this tension up to now.

Hi icj1! I hope this new incarnation of you doesn't inherit former mistakes concerning Kosovo recognitions or should we continue with our lessons?

sj, I quoted the CIA and figures that came out of Serbia which show 50% illiteracy rate. Do you mean to tell me that 50% of Serbia is populated by Albanians and Roma?
(metrod, 23 November 2011 03:23)


As I said before the CIA fact book even had Estonia ahead of Russia in the economics game.

The CIA prints some of the worst crap on this planet and calls it fact. Look at Kosovo on that site, especially the economy – pure fairy tails. Real growth rate in 2010 was 4%; 22.4% of GDP is industry – what industry? BS? Unemployment is 45%, Prisitna would be jumping for joy if it was 45%; try 80%.

Please no more CIA fantasy.


I will give you just one example here: There is nothing worse then loosing on ICJ from someone you claim to be less educated than you, what does that tell you? Who needs more reading before they take a case foreward?... Do we need to take you to ICJ everyday to prove you wrong or you working a bit harder those days to pass the test which is on December. We are trying to help you but it seems that you (not all Serbian People thou) just dont get it!
(Darania, 23 November 2011 04:54)


First of all it was the US Serbia was against in the ICJ not the Albanian rabble and secondly the ICJ said that it was not illegal to say you are independent and stopped there, but please do take it to the ICJ and ask that they now proclaim that Kosovo is independent – the US would shoot any Albanian who even came close to that institution.

When you do go there post ahead I’m most interested to read about it.