Serbia marks anniversary of Nazi bombing of Belgrade

There are lots of parallels between the NAZI destruction of Yugoslavia in the 40s and NATOs destruction of Yugoslavia in the 90s. They all had the same objective to occupy Serbian lands and destroy Russia, however, as history has shown, we always end up victorious.

RIP to all the innocent victims in these senseless bombings.

We flooded Belgrade streets to protest Stojadinovic's pact with evil Hitler chanting: 'BETTER WAR THAN A PACT'. We paid for that. We did something similar in the 90s bc it was the same team in the West who exchanged Germanic supremacism for Liberal extremism but in the 21st Century we will win without war. Time is on our side, the S.Stream is coming.
(highduke, 6 April 2011 14:35)


It really is like a broken record: how can someone who chooses to live in a hostile NATO state, refusing to live in Serbia, refusing to serve in the military to defend Serbia, use the term "we" when talking of the sacrifices made by Serbia and its heroes. If there's any "we" for you it's the NATO aggressors, the ones whose passport you carry.

Zoran

Do you really believe what you say?

The break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s was very violent and for that I do blame the politicians of the time - Milosevic in particular, but people like Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman too. The NATO interventions were in response to nasty killings - particularly in Bosnia - and the Kosovo intervention was a continuation of the distrust that Milosevic had built up for a considerable period of time. All this was fermented by selfish nationalist ambitions in the Balkans.

Another person with great nationalist ambition was Hitler. In WW2 Serbia was wronged and fought on the right side. However, if you think that the events of the 90s were because Serbia was wronged - rethink. Milosevic could have negotiated peacefully, but chose to use military means, often against civilians. He dragged Serbia quite needlessly into sanctions mainly just to keep himself in power.

I am a great supporter of Serbia and I believe that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. However, I cannot stand by and see the reputation of Serbia undermined by silly comparisons that do not show understanding of the terrible political mess that Milosevic dragged the Serbian people into. It is an insult to use the suffering of Serbian people caused by the incredible wickedness of Hitler as a defence for the inept and selfish politics of Milosevic.

As I said this could have been easily avoided by siding with Hitler or staying neutral...
But no,Serbs thought they alone could stop Hitler(who took whole Europe just because of luck I suppose) and thats why happened what happened...
We had and have the most unable politicians in the world!

We flooded Belgrade streets to protest Stojadinovic's pact with evil Hitler chanting: 'BETTER WAR THAN A PACT'. We paid for that. We did something similar in the 90s bc it was the same team in the West who exchanged Germanic supremacism for Liberal extremism but in the 21st Century we will win without war. Time is on our side, the S.Stream is coming.

highduke

Oh,I see,so you need every day 2 kg of caviar to serve your country...
Listen,nobody goes to the army to enjoy life but to do his duty and to defend his country...
If Serbian soldiers thought like that in WW1 or WW2 there would be no Serbia today.
You reflect the very mood of the young generation of Serbs:
spoiled rotten,uneducated,with no moral principles(respect older people,your country, responsible behaviour),greedy and above all being the biggest generation of cowards who sing patriot songs at parties and weddings but would flee across the border once a single shot would be fired at Serbia...

With "patriots" like you we don`t need any enemies,stay where you are or come to your country and do your duty!

Bob you are wrong as the Serbs had no choice - the Serb population was being targeted from the very start of the wars (and in some places months before the official start).
The west was covertly and overtly supporting the separatists - there was military communications equipment and arms being sold or smuggled to the republics.
Most of the claims about Milosevic were lies.
If Serbs didn't fight for themselves they'd have been totally wiped out because that's what Croats and Muslims wanted and what they were doing from the very start.
Recently a Muslim-Croat woman serving in the Croatian army was arrested for torturing and killing Serbs in 3 camps starting April 1992 in Bosnia. The Croatian army 40,000 was ALREADY in Bosnia within the first month of the war.
It was an open secret that the Croatian army and its officers were in Bosnia throughout the war. They were murdering Serbs
And those camps they operated were very deep inside Bosnia far away from Croatia's borders and actually close to Serbia's western border with Bosnia.
There were many other camps operated by the Croatian army, the Bosnian Muslim army and operated jointly by Bosniaks and Croats at the very beginning of the war.
The mainstream media hid mountains of crimes by the Muslims and Croats against the Serbs.
Further, the Muslims did stage attacks - and this was witnessed by UN officers who were serving in Bosnia during the war. It's in the testimony (if you dig enough) and also some have written books which describe Muslim mortaring their own children in Bosnia but then blaming the UN and Serbs.
The west was full-throttle support of anti-Serb propaganda and blame.

Bob, I couldn't agree more with what you've written here. They're only a tiny minority but these round-shouldered whiners with their hyperbole and paranoia and permanent victim complex let the rest of the Serbs down.

'Milos', if you knew anything about my age at the time of the aggression & prior or about the state of VJ & VS from '99 until modernization, like the deliberate lack of food & heating for soldiers, you'd understand why NOBODY in Serbia wanted to serve, patriot or not. Western aggression destroyed our economy, making living in the West a kind of repairation for Serbs until the S.Stream brings wealth East. Think first, then troll lest you waste time autstically building strawmen.

'Milos', if you knew anything about my age at the time of the aggression & prior or about the state of VJ & VS from '99 until modernization, like the deliberate lack of food & heating for soldiers, you'd understand why NOBODY in Serbia wanted to serve, patriot or not. Western aggression destroyed our economy, making living in the West a kind of repairation for Serbs until the S.Stream brings wealth East. Think first, then troll lest you waste time autstically building strawmen.
(highduke, 6 April 2011 18:00)

Aw, poor lamb. Was he worried that the barracks might be a bit chilly and the vojski pasulj not as tasty as momma's? Much safer to stay at home in NATO counrty and be a warrior on the internet.

CG - I'm with you all the way. The hypocrites and the cowards should stand up and bve counted like real Serbs or suffer their shame in silence.

Hi Ida

I am not wrong - Milosevic was a very poor politician and I see no reason to even begin to defend his politics. The fact that many Serbs thought that he was somehow defending them against the wicked west was a propaganda tool that he used to good effect. He deliberately made space between Serbia and the rest of the world and used it to his own advantage - where he could have engaged in constructive dialogue he played games and told lies which in the end drove the west to the state where they would believe him no more.

The atrocities of WW2 originated with Hitler.

The atrocities of the 90s originated in those in the Balkans who chose to go down a path of stinking nationalism.

Zoran

Do you really believe what you say?

The break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s was very violent and for that I do blame the politicians of the time - Milosevic in particular, but people like Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman too.
(Bob, 6 April 2011 16:12)
--
I think you should give CNN and BBC a break Bob. If Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman were as bad as Milosevic then why was Serbia singled out? Why was Western (NATO) support provided to Croatians and Bosnian Muslims? It was Germany and the Vatican who first recognised Croatia. Both Croatians and Bosnian Muslims were part of the NAZI structures so support from Germany and the Vatican was no surprise to us. Oh, and the Ustasha who fled to the West were right on the front lines of political support and funding of this Independent Croatia. You just didn't hear about it on CNN and BBC Bob.

I know it is a bitter pill to swallow, especially for the British and Americans, but there are just too many parallels between NATO and the NAZIs. You may have eliminated Hitler but the same old agenda is alive and well.

The atrocities of WW2 originated with Hitler.
The atrocities of the 90s originated in those in the Balkans who chose to go down a path of stinking nationalism.
(Bob, 7 April 2011 06:13)
--
Yes Bob, the roots of that nationalism go back to WW2. It's just that the UK, US and NATO are now supporting those forces who were loyal to the NAZIs back then. In fact, they are in NATO now and blaming Milosevic for everything is just a cheap trick.

You're WRONG again: the elite educated Serbians fled sanctions & unemployment, there was no war in Serbia until briefly '99. I was just in grade school anyway in the early 90s when those sanctions drove us out.

Zoran

Do you really believe what you say?

The break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s was very violent and for that I do blame the politicians of the time - Milosevic in particular, but people like Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman too. The NATO interventions were in response to nasty killings - particularly in Bosnia - and the Kosovo intervention was a continuation of the distrust that Milosevic had built up for a considerable period of time. All this was fermented by selfish nationalist ambitions in the Balkans.

Another person with great nationalist ambition was Hitler. In WW2 Serbia was wronged and fought on the right side. However, if you think that the events of the 90s were because Serbia was wronged - rethink. Milosevic could have negotiated peacefully, but chose to use military means, often against civilians. He dragged Serbia quite needlessly into sanctions mainly just to keep himself in power.

I am a great supporter of Serbia and I believe that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. However, I cannot stand by and see the reputation of Serbia undermined by silly comparisons that do not show understanding of the terrible political mess that Milosevic dragged the Serbian people into. It is an insult to use the suffering of Serbian people caused by the incredible wickedness of Hitler as a defence for the inept and selfish politics of Milosevic.
(Bob, 6 April 2011 16:12)

The question is do you know what you are talking about?

First of all, Slobodan Milosevic was not a nationalist, a pure Communist who only seeks power. Milosevic could care less about the Krajina Serbs, Montenegrin Serbs, Bosnian. What we cared about is to keep Yugolsavia together as a sovereign entity.

If Milosevic was a nationalist, then he would have not watched Krajina be engulfed by Croatia. However, as a politician, he firmly warned both Babic and Martic after them to negotiate a peace settlement that was offered to them by Tudjman.

Milosevic as a politician negotiated for peace at the Athens accord with Prime Minister of Greece at the time Mitsoutakis for peace. Karadjic finally agreed to the Vance-Owen plan but it was voted down by the Bosnian parliament.

Milsevic many times tried to negotiate peace in Kosovo, he allowed the OSCE mission in and pulled the police out on numerous occasions.

To try to equate Milosevic to some Nazi is proposterous; as Draza Mihailovic received an unfair Communist show trial by Tito's Communists. Slobodan Milosevic was centre stage in a show trial run by the new world order.

As I said this could have been easily avoided by siding with Hitler or staying neutral...
But no,Serbs thought they alone could stop Hitler(who took whole Europe just because of luck I suppose) and thats why happened what happened...
We had and have the most unable politicians in the world!

We flooded Belgrade streets to protest Stojadinovic's pact with evil Hitler chanting: 'BETTER WAR THAN A PACT'. We paid for that. We did something similar in the 90s bc it was the same team in the West who exchanged Germanic supremacism for Liberal extremism but in the 21st Century we will win without war. Time is on our side, the S.Stream is coming.

There are lots of parallels between the NAZI destruction of Yugoslavia in the 40s and NATOs destruction of Yugoslavia in the 90s. They all had the same objective to occupy Serbian lands and destroy Russia, however, as history has shown, we always end up victorious.

RIP to all the innocent victims in these senseless bombings.

Bob you are wrong as the Serbs had no choice - the Serb population was being targeted from the very start of the wars (and in some places months before the official start).
The west was covertly and overtly supporting the separatists - there was military communications equipment and arms being sold or smuggled to the republics.
Most of the claims about Milosevic were lies.
If Serbs didn't fight for themselves they'd have been totally wiped out because that's what Croats and Muslims wanted and what they were doing from the very start.
Recently a Muslim-Croat woman serving in the Croatian army was arrested for torturing and killing Serbs in 3 camps starting April 1992 in Bosnia. The Croatian army 40,000 was ALREADY in Bosnia within the first month of the war.
It was an open secret that the Croatian army and its officers were in Bosnia throughout the war. They were murdering Serbs
And those camps they operated were very deep inside Bosnia far away from Croatia's borders and actually close to Serbia's western border with Bosnia.
There were many other camps operated by the Croatian army, the Bosnian Muslim army and operated jointly by Bosniaks and Croats at the very beginning of the war.
The mainstream media hid mountains of crimes by the Muslims and Croats against the Serbs.
Further, the Muslims did stage attacks - and this was witnessed by UN officers who were serving in Bosnia during the war. It's in the testimony (if you dig enough) and also some have written books which describe Muslim mortaring their own children in Bosnia but then blaming the UN and Serbs.
The west was full-throttle support of anti-Serb propaganda and blame.

Zoran

Do you really believe what you say?

The break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s was very violent and for that I do blame the politicians of the time - Milosevic in particular, but people like Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman too. The NATO interventions were in response to nasty killings - particularly in Bosnia - and the Kosovo intervention was a continuation of the distrust that Milosevic had built up for a considerable period of time. All this was fermented by selfish nationalist ambitions in the Balkans.

Another person with great nationalist ambition was Hitler. In WW2 Serbia was wronged and fought on the right side. However, if you think that the events of the 90s were because Serbia was wronged - rethink. Milosevic could have negotiated peacefully, but chose to use military means, often against civilians. He dragged Serbia quite needlessly into sanctions mainly just to keep himself in power.

I am a great supporter of Serbia and I believe that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. However, I cannot stand by and see the reputation of Serbia undermined by silly comparisons that do not show understanding of the terrible political mess that Milosevic dragged the Serbian people into. It is an insult to use the suffering of Serbian people caused by the incredible wickedness of Hitler as a defence for the inept and selfish politics of Milosevic.

'Milos', if you knew anything about my age at the time of the aggression & prior or about the state of VJ & VS from '99 until modernization, like the deliberate lack of food & heating for soldiers, you'd understand why NOBODY in Serbia wanted to serve, patriot or not. Western aggression destroyed our economy, making living in the West a kind of repairation for Serbs until the S.Stream brings wealth East. Think first, then troll lest you waste time autstically building strawmen.

Zoran

Do you really believe what you say?

The break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s was very violent and for that I do blame the politicians of the time - Milosevic in particular, but people like Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman too.
(Bob, 6 April 2011 16:12)
--
I think you should give CNN and BBC a break Bob. If Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman were as bad as Milosevic then why was Serbia singled out? Why was Western (NATO) support provided to Croatians and Bosnian Muslims? It was Germany and the Vatican who first recognised Croatia. Both Croatians and Bosnian Muslims were part of the NAZI structures so support from Germany and the Vatican was no surprise to us. Oh, and the Ustasha who fled to the West were right on the front lines of political support and funding of this Independent Croatia. You just didn't hear about it on CNN and BBC Bob.

I know it is a bitter pill to swallow, especially for the British and Americans, but there are just too many parallels between NATO and the NAZIs. You may have eliminated Hitler but the same old agenda is alive and well.

Bob, I couldn't agree more with what you've written here. They're only a tiny minority but these round-shouldered whiners with their hyperbole and paranoia and permanent victim complex let the rest of the Serbs down.

highduke

Oh,I see,so you need every day 2 kg of caviar to serve your country...
Listen,nobody goes to the army to enjoy life but to do his duty and to defend his country...
If Serbian soldiers thought like that in WW1 or WW2 there would be no Serbia today.
You reflect the very mood of the young generation of Serbs:
spoiled rotten,uneducated,with no moral principles(respect older people,your country, responsible behaviour),greedy and above all being the biggest generation of cowards who sing patriot songs at parties and weddings but would flee across the border once a single shot would be fired at Serbia...

With "patriots" like you we don`t need any enemies,stay where you are or come to your country and do your duty!

Hi Ida

I am not wrong - Milosevic was a very poor politician and I see no reason to even begin to defend his politics. The fact that many Serbs thought that he was somehow defending them against the wicked west was a propaganda tool that he used to good effect. He deliberately made space between Serbia and the rest of the world and used it to his own advantage - where he could have engaged in constructive dialogue he played games and told lies which in the end drove the west to the state where they would believe him no more.

The atrocities of WW2 originated with Hitler.

The atrocities of the 90s originated in those in the Balkans who chose to go down a path of stinking nationalism.

'Milos', if you knew anything about my age at the time of the aggression & prior or about the state of VJ & VS from '99 until modernization, like the deliberate lack of food & heating for soldiers, you'd understand why NOBODY in Serbia wanted to serve, patriot or not. Western aggression destroyed our economy, making living in the West a kind of repairation for Serbs until the S.Stream brings wealth East. Think first, then troll lest you waste time autstically building strawmen.
(highduke, 6 April 2011 18:00)

Aw, poor lamb. Was he worried that the barracks might be a bit chilly and the vojski pasulj not as tasty as momma's? Much safer to stay at home in NATO counrty and be a warrior on the internet.

CG - I'm with you all the way. The hypocrites and the cowards should stand up and bve counted like real Serbs or suffer their shame in silence.

The atrocities of WW2 originated with Hitler.
The atrocities of the 90s originated in those in the Balkans who chose to go down a path of stinking nationalism.
(Bob, 7 April 2011 06:13)
--
Yes Bob, the roots of that nationalism go back to WW2. It's just that the UK, US and NATO are now supporting those forces who were loyal to the NAZIs back then. In fact, they are in NATO now and blaming Milosevic for everything is just a cheap trick.

We flooded Belgrade streets to protest Stojadinovic's pact with evil Hitler chanting: 'BETTER WAR THAN A PACT'. We paid for that. We did something similar in the 90s bc it was the same team in the West who exchanged Germanic supremacism for Liberal extremism but in the 21st Century we will win without war. Time is on our side, the S.Stream is coming.
(highduke, 6 April 2011 14:35)


It really is like a broken record: how can someone who chooses to live in a hostile NATO state, refusing to live in Serbia, refusing to serve in the military to defend Serbia, use the term "we" when talking of the sacrifices made by Serbia and its heroes. If there's any "we" for you it's the NATO aggressors, the ones whose passport you carry.

You're WRONG again: the elite educated Serbians fled sanctions & unemployment, there was no war in Serbia until briefly '99. I was just in grade school anyway in the early 90s when those sanctions drove us out.

Zoran

Do you really believe what you say?

The break up of Yugoslavia in the 90s was very violent and for that I do blame the politicians of the time - Milosevic in particular, but people like Mesic, Izetbegovic and Tudjman too. The NATO interventions were in response to nasty killings - particularly in Bosnia - and the Kosovo intervention was a continuation of the distrust that Milosevic had built up for a considerable period of time. All this was fermented by selfish nationalist ambitions in the Balkans.

Another person with great nationalist ambition was Hitler. In WW2 Serbia was wronged and fought on the right side. However, if you think that the events of the 90s were because Serbia was wronged - rethink. Milosevic could have negotiated peacefully, but chose to use military means, often against civilians. He dragged Serbia quite needlessly into sanctions mainly just to keep himself in power.

I am a great supporter of Serbia and I believe that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. However, I cannot stand by and see the reputation of Serbia undermined by silly comparisons that do not show understanding of the terrible political mess that Milosevic dragged the Serbian people into. It is an insult to use the suffering of Serbian people caused by the incredible wickedness of Hitler as a defence for the inept and selfish politics of Milosevic.
(Bob, 6 April 2011 16:12)

The question is do you know what you are talking about?

First of all, Slobodan Milosevic was not a nationalist, a pure Communist who only seeks power. Milosevic could care less about the Krajina Serbs, Montenegrin Serbs, Bosnian. What we cared about is to keep Yugolsavia together as a sovereign entity.

If Milosevic was a nationalist, then he would have not watched Krajina be engulfed by Croatia. However, as a politician, he firmly warned both Babic and Martic after them to negotiate a peace settlement that was offered to them by Tudjman.

Milosevic as a politician negotiated for peace at the Athens accord with Prime Minister of Greece at the time Mitsoutakis for peace. Karadjic finally agreed to the Vance-Owen plan but it was voted down by the Bosnian parliament.

Milsevic many times tried to negotiate peace in Kosovo, he allowed the OSCE mission in and pulled the police out on numerous occasions.

To try to equate Milosevic to some Nazi is proposterous; as Draza Mihailovic received an unfair Communist show trial by Tito's Communists. Slobodan Milosevic was centre stage in a show trial run by the new world order.