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Friday, 18.03.2011.

10:25

FM talks Kosovo at U.S. college

After the horrid pogrom of Serbs in Kosovo, strength was found to resist the unilateral declaration of Kosovo independence by using solely diplomatic means.

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Roger7

pre 13 godina

roberto said, "he was schooled at our Harvard just to help push his own RADICAL, anti-democratic values"

What a DUMB comment!
This coming from a middle school employee.
Jealousy is not very attractive.
Petty, so shallow.

Jeremic also graduated with a degree in Theoretical Physics from Cambridge.

The fellow is a scholar and a gentleman, much more than I can say for many who post such petty comments here.

lili

pre 13 godina

it is funny to see how much money and how much energy serbs put in the kosovoproblem:they even did destroy yu for this!
Do you really think that you will be able to do now what you were not able to do when you had all powers in yu?Think twince.you destroed yu for that,may be you want to destroy serbia now for kosova?
Accept once that you will never be able to kill us all,and certainly not now that you have spred us all over the world thanks to your repression,so try to get rid of the kosovo problem for your good sake!

norberto

pre 13 godina

oh there you go again roberto. railing like u always do against people that don't agree with u. we keep telling u to be more tolerant but u keep frightening the neighbors with your doomsday talk of censorship and whack jobs.

and of course whack job censors. esply in blgd.

come back inside. mom's cooking dinner and you need to finish packing. remembr we love u very much and we're concerned for ur wellbeing.

sorry again b92, we tried to keep an eye on him but he slipped out of the house again.

cheers,

norberto
fiasco

roberto

pre 13 godina

Apparently i've spawned a whole cottage industry of wack-jobs, which the milosevic press ALways, always facilitates.

they spend all of their "journalistic" energy censoring, "editing," silencing dissidents. but they facilitate every right wing wack-job from here to blgd, and back. way back, deep down under :)

so who to blame -- the wacko's, or those who promote them? think about it.

roberto
frisco

norberto

pre 13 godina

dear b92 readers.

once again my bro roberto has gone off the deep end. i keep telling him 2 chillax but he never listens. he's always 2 tense. even at home. i say "roberto, bubala you need to calm down" but he just goes on and on about how he's right and everyone else is wrong. after a while he tires himself out and cries himself 2 sleep.

he needs to realize what he thinks is a lack of democrcy by the blgd regime is even less in our beloved bosnia or in that "kosova" place he's raving about. ok, he's bff is kurti but there's more to that place than one guy with an awesome collection of books.

don't worry guys, not everyone in his family has this thing for serbs. theyre ok people like everyone else. yeah youve got some bad guys but so does everybody. my brother just cant see that. maybe our trip back to bosnia will help open his eyes 2 the reality he avoids. but he wont wanna leave sarajevo until he hitchhikes to prstna. imagine being in the car with him!

ciao!

norberto,
fiasco

Top

pre 13 godina

"serbia is very, very far from a democratic govt, democratic values, democratic media, etc.
(roberto, 19 March 2011 04:07)

With those high standards, How do you call Kosovo then? The 'Hell on earth', or what? With manipulated elections, criminal and corrupt politicians, kleptocrats comparable only to African kings, a society without any democratic and civil ideals, but only based on clan structures and loyality. A police that investigates only in cases they like...

gjon fusha

pre 13 godina

well as for the Illyrians, my dear k-albanian friend Tung, don´t you feel the need to learn something real about albanian history? I mean, clinging to myths and phantasies is not the way of handling I would expect of a person that is civilized, educated and confident.

(Jovan, 19 March 2011 12:29)

One can easily notice your arrogance Jovan. End matter of fact is not only you but most of Serbians here in this forum.
You accusing Tung for clinging to the myths, but is not all Serbias politics built on myths?
You asking Tung to learn something real about albanians, does this mean he has to read Serbians books?

Jovan

pre 13 godina

@Tung:

you are a dreamer. unfortunately Serbs and Albanians have more on common than I like, but I have to face it.

your eagerness to draw the line between Serbs and Albanians actually only shows your desperate situation.

as for the Illyrians, not "Illyriers", who knows where you got that from, ...well as for the Illyrians, my dear k-albanian friend Tung, don´t you feel the need to learn something real about albanian history? I mean, clinging to myths and phantasies is not the way of handling I would expect of a person that is civilized, educated and confident.

so, that makes me think that you are a kid, a pupil I guess, sitting in front of his computer somewhere in western europe in his parents warm appartment, writing some nonsense in order to make himself feel better.

there´s not much more to say to you...



@sj:

the best think about the k-albanian claims in regard to serbian churches is that they on the one hand accuse the Serbs to have built their churches on top of "their" albanian churches, although these churches are totally orthodox in their style...

and the most stupid thing is that IF these churches are actually albanian churches, then WHY are the Albanians torching them ?

there is no logic in their propaganda, they only cannot admit that.

it´s all just very stupid, just rubbish.

tung is just a mislead kiddie, who doesn´t know what he´s writing about, don´t take him too serious.

roberto

pre 13 godina

-"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence... it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.-

What is "democratic" serbia? those in serbia who hold some kind of democratic values constitute, sadly, a very small % of the citizens, and an even smaller % of the politico's/demagogues. as i've explained many times, you can hold 100 elections in 3 years, and still be as far fr democratic values as ever. as is the case in serbia, and numerous non-democratic countries around the world, putin-russia being but one.

jeremic has NOTHing to do w/ democratic values -- he was schooled at our Harvard just to help push his own RADICAL, anti-democratic values. that means the repression of human rights and minorities inside serbia. that means full frontal attack on neighbors -- specifically bosnia and kosova. weapon of choice: his endlessly inflammatory words. words, for the present...

jeremic's "lecture" tour, as usual, has nothing to do w/either human rights or the truth, and everything to do w/ the continued torture of the people of kosova, the continued false and phony relativization of war guilt, thru, among other means, the marty SMEAR report (that's its offical name.)

i find if funny and ironic when the nationalists say "we've talked about serbian war crimes for the last 20 years, bla bla bla." who is "we"? certainly not YOU all. serbian-led war crimes were denied before, during and after they occurred, esp.ly by the diaspora, while the serb orthodox church was claiming "bad things happen on all sides..." meanwhile blessing the worst terrorists who were slaughtering and raping 1000s of civilians.

serbia is very, very far from a democratic govt, democratic values, democratic media, etc. and those inside serbia who fight, courageously, day and night! in support of humanistic, democratic values -- i mean sonia and natasa but also so many of their colleagues -- are completely silenced and marginalized in the milosevic press.

oh my god, have i mentioned that before? i am so sorry. but you continue to silence the dissident intellectuals that could help lead the country at least in a less un-democratic direction, and i will NEVER cease to point that out. in fact it is exactly our job and responsibility to point that out, explicitly.

can't wait, next week in pristina, then onto my beloved sarajevo, then to visit frnd's and colleagues in serbia. fun comes in odd packages :))

Shalom.


roberto
frisco

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan, 18 March 2011 16:04)
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That's something they already know. He is only telling them what they don't know and should know.

cees

pre 13 godina

He could have some success in North-America, because what do they know about the wars on the Balkans.
Though we also admit that this 'pogrom' was wrong it is a minor thing compared to what happened to the Kosovo Albanians during the nineties. Is it really the only way of Serbian handling of their recent past? Even Tadic seems to think so, when he stated that he only can apologize, if both sides will do it. Does really no one in Serbia knows how life in Kosovo for the Albanians was after Milosevic ended the autonomy of the province in 1989?
It's a shame that just a few in this country seem to admit what happened and they are obviously not a part of this government and certainly not from the opposition where Mladic still is a 'hero'.

miri

pre 13 godina

-- Knowing what passes on this site for "your" side of the story - and one only needs to scroll down on this thread alone - I'd say it's best the youth of the world are spared your historical memories.
(Mike, 18 March 2011 21:10)

I wasn't talking about the world, I was talking about Russia. The world already knows our side of the story..

My statement was pure rhetoric since we all know whose side Russia is no matter what we say. The fact that US listens to both sides and stands beside K-Albanians makes our case much stronger, don't you think ?


Plus what is best for others to hear, is just your opinion. Are you afraid of little competition?

sj

pre 13 godina

(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 15:20

Not the Illyrians again. Please can we have a decent discussion without your Albanian fantasy coming into it. You’re Illyrian as much as I am Chinese.
Where is your evidence that Albanians have occupied that region for thousands of years? There is not even graffiti on a cave wall. In fact the Turks were only there for 600 years and they have left more evidence of their occupation than the Albos.
My particular favorite is the one where the Serbian Churches are actually built on the sites of Albanian Catholic Church sites. But the fact the Catholic Albos are very small in number with the vast majority being Moslems is just a minor detail that needs more work.
However I am interested to hear how is Kosovo going to be self sufficient considering you’re independent? Here some news for you; if you take handouts from the EU to survive then you have nothing, so we all need as good laugh and wait for your next posting.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Ivan - really, your spiteful comments are now becoming ridiculous. The US led a major bombing campaign against Serbia and then led the effort to try to secure independence for a part of its territory and the most that has happened is one night of violence during which the US embassy was attacked. There have been no terrorist attacks by Serbs against the US. On the other hand, the US has found itself facing several plots from Kosovo Albanians. If we want to play this game, who comes across as more moderate now then? Really, hatred has an interesting way of making people also sound stupid.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans"
FREEDOM

Iv'e asked albanians on this forum many time before but without getting any answer (for obvious reasons).

If you were in the balkans long before everyone else where is your proof? Surely any civilization leaves some kind of trace behind. However, I guess the so called illyrians were invisible. They lived in invisible houses and used invisible tools. Of course they weren't invisible, they never existed. Illyrians are as real as Superman and Santa Clause. Albanians make a lot of lies only to justify stealing Serbian land. Kosovo is Serbian. All our monasteries and churches are proof of that. Yes, roof! Something albanains know nothing about.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"If only Russia would allow K-Albanian authorities to go around Russian colleges and preach their side of the story." (miri)

-- Knowing what passes on this site for "your" side of the story - and one only needs to scroll down on this thread alone - I'd say it's best the youth of the world are spared your historical memories.

John

pre 13 godina

@sj

First of all, we Albanians/Illyriers have nothing, but really nothing, in common with Serbs.

Your history lies in the Russian steps!

There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans.

You have no sense of history only what the Serb propagande is telling you and you copy this.


You think that Kosova is not independent but can you convince that Serbia is in control than?


Tung
(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 15:20)

I love the way you have to make up you're history because you dont have any, and then disclaim anything that says otherwise (The majority does) as Serbian propoganda, With that kind of Mindset I can see how Kosovo is the way it is.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan)
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The students would love to be apart of that. This kind of freedom can only be found in Serbia. :)

stari

pre 13 godina

it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan, 18 March 2011 16:04)
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I doubt that very much but he was certainly talking about crimes committed by KiM Albanians. It is about time the world learns about them.

dardanian

pre 13 godina

hello mr vuk u are to late read the factbook and see the truth not your myth propaganda build fom fake history stolen from yllirian albanian not from slavic siberian rusian refugee TUNG

miri

pre 13 godina

One question I would have asked if I was there.


Why do you Mr. Jeremic, lie in public about the purpose of the Belgrade-Pristina talks?

You have been clearly told by EU and have accepted a UNGA resolution that these talks will never be about status but will only be about technical issues.

If you so easily for you to lie about something that anyone can see, what keeps you from lying about anything that you say?

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

@sj

First of all, we Albanians/Illyriers have nothing, but really nothing, in common with Serbs.

Your history lies in the Russian steps!

There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans.

You have no sense of history only what the Serb propagande is telling you and you copy this.


You think that Kosova is not independent but can you convince that Serbia is in control than?


Tung

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Does that mean that "....because there is no alternative to compromise, which can only be reached through negotiations and that dialogue is the only way to peace in Kosovo..." Serbia eventually will recognise Kosovo independence?
(EA, 18 March 2011 11:01)
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Did you not read the article? Here, let me help. Jeremic said the following:

"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence by using only peaceful and diplomatic resources and it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.

Clear now EA? I hope that answers your question. No recognition, no UN seat and no international legitimacy. It will end up being more than autonomy, less than independence. The best "Kosova" can hope for is some special status within the EU. That's it and no unification with Albania either.

Come back to reality my friends.

sj

pre 13 godina

(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 10:41)

Now I have heard everything. If you so revere Catholics why did you expel them from Kosovo? You guys are a joke to say the least. First it was “we have been here for thousands of years” then it was “we are Illyrians” then when all that was exposed as Albanians BS its now “Serbs built their Churches on the ruins of Albanian Catholic Churches.
This is a result of a people that have little to no culture of their own so they try and put a “mask” on another culture and take ownership.

(EA, 18 March 2011 11:01)

It’s all diplomatic talk and nothing else, mate. This statement is not to be taken too literally – it’s what the west wants to hear so you say it but do what’s best for you.
Surely there is an Albanian out there that has had some experience at this level in Government that could comment?

Zoran

pre 13 godina

That is the highest form hipocracy I have ever read. Not worth commenting this, more.
(c.o., 18 March 2011 11:28)
--
We've been discussing Serbian crimes for the past 20 years. Now it's time to reveal crimes committed by KiM Albanians, Bosnian Muslims and Croatians. It seems some don't like the taste of their own medicine.

EA

pre 13 godina

"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence... it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.

Does that mean that "....because there is no alternative to compromise, which can only be reached through negotiations and that dialogue is the only way to peace in Kosovo..." Serbia eventually will recognise Kosovo independence? ....and that because "...the talks between Belgrade and Priština... are a good start and "the results will not be lacking if both sides show good will and honestly try to find solutions, which will lead to a mutually acceptable compromise"?.

Liberale

pre 13 godina

Learning history from a Serb, please Vuk?

Your and Serbias double standards are well documented.
You talk about pogrom, Kosovo talks about genocides, you talk about "horrific claims" we talk about actual mass graves filled with hundreds of innocent people supported by the then Serb public.
You talk about 35 churches (that support hate towards non Serbs), we talk about a whole history.

I am sure he gets the ultra ethnic nationalist of Serbias blood boiling, but just like all other Serbs he is a nobody when it comes to real debates with out the inferiority complex.

As the only means for Serbs to "feel" in power is stalling and hoping like the rest here. More of gone with the wind than any plan.

c.o.

pre 13 godina

A masterpiece of a one-sided statement by Jeremic, as if nothing else happened. Is this what you regard under "reconsilation"? Demonizing the others and blanking out the own crimes? That is the highest form hipocracy I have ever read. Not worth commenting this, more.

highduke

pre 13 godina

Diplomatic means are only successful bc we have RUS behind us. In the 90s our diplomacy had no leverage and that is why we used war to defend ourselves back then. Now we can use diplomacy to do what we failed to accomplish in the 90s.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

Liberale!

Your Albanian history is fictitious.

Still fictitious in today's world. The only time i hear or read about Albania, is when an Albanian criminal, rapist or drug dealer gets caught.

That is the your "whole history"

So please leave Serbian history alone as there are no parrallels between Serbs and Albanians.

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

Mr Jeremic

Did you also told these students that Serbia was the agressor in this latest Balkan war?

Did you told them that the churches in Decan and Peje are build on Albanian Katholic churches.

What your are telling in these school is propaganda!

Tung

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

Liberale!

Your Albanian history is fictitious.

Still fictitious in today's world. The only time i hear or read about Albania, is when an Albanian criminal, rapist or drug dealer gets caught.

That is the your "whole history"

So please leave Serbian history alone as there are no parrallels between Serbs and Albanians.

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

Mr Jeremic

Did you also told these students that Serbia was the agressor in this latest Balkan war?

Did you told them that the churches in Decan and Peje are build on Albanian Katholic churches.

What your are telling in these school is propaganda!

Tung

Zoran

pre 13 godina

That is the highest form hipocracy I have ever read. Not worth commenting this, more.
(c.o., 18 March 2011 11:28)
--
We've been discussing Serbian crimes for the past 20 years. Now it's time to reveal crimes committed by KiM Albanians, Bosnian Muslims and Croatians. It seems some don't like the taste of their own medicine.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Does that mean that "....because there is no alternative to compromise, which can only be reached through negotiations and that dialogue is the only way to peace in Kosovo..." Serbia eventually will recognise Kosovo independence?
(EA, 18 March 2011 11:01)
--
Did you not read the article? Here, let me help. Jeremic said the following:

"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence by using only peaceful and diplomatic resources and it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.

Clear now EA? I hope that answers your question. No recognition, no UN seat and no international legitimacy. It will end up being more than autonomy, less than independence. The best "Kosova" can hope for is some special status within the EU. That's it and no unification with Albania either.

Come back to reality my friends.

John

pre 13 godina

@sj

First of all, we Albanians/Illyriers have nothing, but really nothing, in common with Serbs.

Your history lies in the Russian steps!

There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans.

You have no sense of history only what the Serb propagande is telling you and you copy this.


You think that Kosova is not independent but can you convince that Serbia is in control than?


Tung
(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 15:20)

I love the way you have to make up you're history because you dont have any, and then disclaim anything that says otherwise (The majority does) as Serbian propoganda, With that kind of Mindset I can see how Kosovo is the way it is.

highduke

pre 13 godina

Diplomatic means are only successful bc we have RUS behind us. In the 90s our diplomacy had no leverage and that is why we used war to defend ourselves back then. Now we can use diplomacy to do what we failed to accomplish in the 90s.

sj

pre 13 godina

(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 10:41)

Now I have heard everything. If you so revere Catholics why did you expel them from Kosovo? You guys are a joke to say the least. First it was “we have been here for thousands of years” then it was “we are Illyrians” then when all that was exposed as Albanians BS its now “Serbs built their Churches on the ruins of Albanian Catholic Churches.
This is a result of a people that have little to no culture of their own so they try and put a “mask” on another culture and take ownership.

(EA, 18 March 2011 11:01)

It’s all diplomatic talk and nothing else, mate. This statement is not to be taken too literally – it’s what the west wants to hear so you say it but do what’s best for you.
Surely there is an Albanian out there that has had some experience at this level in Government that could comment?

Liberale

pre 13 godina

Learning history from a Serb, please Vuk?

Your and Serbias double standards are well documented.
You talk about pogrom, Kosovo talks about genocides, you talk about "horrific claims" we talk about actual mass graves filled with hundreds of innocent people supported by the then Serb public.
You talk about 35 churches (that support hate towards non Serbs), we talk about a whole history.

I am sure he gets the ultra ethnic nationalist of Serbias blood boiling, but just like all other Serbs he is a nobody when it comes to real debates with out the inferiority complex.

As the only means for Serbs to "feel" in power is stalling and hoping like the rest here. More of gone with the wind than any plan.

c.o.

pre 13 godina

A masterpiece of a one-sided statement by Jeremic, as if nothing else happened. Is this what you regard under "reconsilation"? Demonizing the others and blanking out the own crimes? That is the highest form hipocracy I have ever read. Not worth commenting this, more.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan, 18 March 2011 16:04)
--
I doubt that very much but he was certainly talking about crimes committed by KiM Albanians. It is about time the world learns about them.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"If only Russia would allow K-Albanian authorities to go around Russian colleges and preach their side of the story." (miri)

-- Knowing what passes on this site for "your" side of the story - and one only needs to scroll down on this thread alone - I'd say it's best the youth of the world are spared your historical memories.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Ivan - really, your spiteful comments are now becoming ridiculous. The US led a major bombing campaign against Serbia and then led the effort to try to secure independence for a part of its territory and the most that has happened is one night of violence during which the US embassy was attacked. There have been no terrorist attacks by Serbs against the US. On the other hand, the US has found itself facing several plots from Kosovo Albanians. If we want to play this game, who comes across as more moderate now then? Really, hatred has an interesting way of making people also sound stupid.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans"
FREEDOM

Iv'e asked albanians on this forum many time before but without getting any answer (for obvious reasons).

If you were in the balkans long before everyone else where is your proof? Surely any civilization leaves some kind of trace behind. However, I guess the so called illyrians were invisible. They lived in invisible houses and used invisible tools. Of course they weren't invisible, they never existed. Illyrians are as real as Superman and Santa Clause. Albanians make a lot of lies only to justify stealing Serbian land. Kosovo is Serbian. All our monasteries and churches are proof of that. Yes, roof! Something albanains know nothing about.

miri

pre 13 godina

One question I would have asked if I was there.


Why do you Mr. Jeremic, lie in public about the purpose of the Belgrade-Pristina talks?

You have been clearly told by EU and have accepted a UNGA resolution that these talks will never be about status but will only be about technical issues.

If you so easily for you to lie about something that anyone can see, what keeps you from lying about anything that you say?

stari

pre 13 godina

it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...

EA

pre 13 godina

"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence... it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.

Does that mean that "....because there is no alternative to compromise, which can only be reached through negotiations and that dialogue is the only way to peace in Kosovo..." Serbia eventually will recognise Kosovo independence? ....and that because "...the talks between Belgrade and Priština... are a good start and "the results will not be lacking if both sides show good will and honestly try to find solutions, which will lead to a mutually acceptable compromise"?.

sj

pre 13 godina

(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 15:20

Not the Illyrians again. Please can we have a decent discussion without your Albanian fantasy coming into it. You’re Illyrian as much as I am Chinese.
Where is your evidence that Albanians have occupied that region for thousands of years? There is not even graffiti on a cave wall. In fact the Turks were only there for 600 years and they have left more evidence of their occupation than the Albos.
My particular favorite is the one where the Serbian Churches are actually built on the sites of Albanian Catholic Church sites. But the fact the Catholic Albos are very small in number with the vast majority being Moslems is just a minor detail that needs more work.
However I am interested to hear how is Kosovo going to be self sufficient considering you’re independent? Here some news for you; if you take handouts from the EU to survive then you have nothing, so we all need as good laugh and wait for your next posting.

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

@sj

First of all, we Albanians/Illyriers have nothing, but really nothing, in common with Serbs.

Your history lies in the Russian steps!

There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans.

You have no sense of history only what the Serb propagande is telling you and you copy this.


You think that Kosova is not independent but can you convince that Serbia is in control than?


Tung

norberto

pre 13 godina

dear b92 readers.

once again my bro roberto has gone off the deep end. i keep telling him 2 chillax but he never listens. he's always 2 tense. even at home. i say "roberto, bubala you need to calm down" but he just goes on and on about how he's right and everyone else is wrong. after a while he tires himself out and cries himself 2 sleep.

he needs to realize what he thinks is a lack of democrcy by the blgd regime is even less in our beloved bosnia or in that "kosova" place he's raving about. ok, he's bff is kurti but there's more to that place than one guy with an awesome collection of books.

don't worry guys, not everyone in his family has this thing for serbs. theyre ok people like everyone else. yeah youve got some bad guys but so does everybody. my brother just cant see that. maybe our trip back to bosnia will help open his eyes 2 the reality he avoids. but he wont wanna leave sarajevo until he hitchhikes to prstna. imagine being in the car with him!

ciao!

norberto,
fiasco

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan, 18 March 2011 16:04)
======================

That's something they already know. He is only telling them what they don't know and should know.

Jovan

pre 13 godina

@Tung:

you are a dreamer. unfortunately Serbs and Albanians have more on common than I like, but I have to face it.

your eagerness to draw the line between Serbs and Albanians actually only shows your desperate situation.

as for the Illyrians, not "Illyriers", who knows where you got that from, ...well as for the Illyrians, my dear k-albanian friend Tung, don´t you feel the need to learn something real about albanian history? I mean, clinging to myths and phantasies is not the way of handling I would expect of a person that is civilized, educated and confident.

so, that makes me think that you are a kid, a pupil I guess, sitting in front of his computer somewhere in western europe in his parents warm appartment, writing some nonsense in order to make himself feel better.

there´s not much more to say to you...



@sj:

the best think about the k-albanian claims in regard to serbian churches is that they on the one hand accuse the Serbs to have built their churches on top of "their" albanian churches, although these churches are totally orthodox in their style...

and the most stupid thing is that IF these churches are actually albanian churches, then WHY are the Albanians torching them ?

there is no logic in their propaganda, they only cannot admit that.

it´s all just very stupid, just rubbish.

tung is just a mislead kiddie, who doesn´t know what he´s writing about, don´t take him too serious.

Top

pre 13 godina

"serbia is very, very far from a democratic govt, democratic values, democratic media, etc.
(roberto, 19 March 2011 04:07)

With those high standards, How do you call Kosovo then? The 'Hell on earth', or what? With manipulated elections, criminal and corrupt politicians, kleptocrats comparable only to African kings, a society without any democratic and civil ideals, but only based on clan structures and loyality. A police that investigates only in cases they like...

norberto

pre 13 godina

oh there you go again roberto. railing like u always do against people that don't agree with u. we keep telling u to be more tolerant but u keep frightening the neighbors with your doomsday talk of censorship and whack jobs.

and of course whack job censors. esply in blgd.

come back inside. mom's cooking dinner and you need to finish packing. remembr we love u very much and we're concerned for ur wellbeing.

sorry again b92, we tried to keep an eye on him but he slipped out of the house again.

cheers,

norberto
fiasco

Roger7

pre 13 godina

roberto said, "he was schooled at our Harvard just to help push his own RADICAL, anti-democratic values"

What a DUMB comment!
This coming from a middle school employee.
Jealousy is not very attractive.
Petty, so shallow.

Jeremic also graduated with a degree in Theoretical Physics from Cambridge.

The fellow is a scholar and a gentleman, much more than I can say for many who post such petty comments here.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan)
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The students would love to be apart of that. This kind of freedom can only be found in Serbia. :)

miri

pre 13 godina

-- Knowing what passes on this site for "your" side of the story - and one only needs to scroll down on this thread alone - I'd say it's best the youth of the world are spared your historical memories.
(Mike, 18 March 2011 21:10)

I wasn't talking about the world, I was talking about Russia. The world already knows our side of the story..

My statement was pure rhetoric since we all know whose side Russia is no matter what we say. The fact that US listens to both sides and stands beside K-Albanians makes our case much stronger, don't you think ?


Plus what is best for others to hear, is just your opinion. Are you afraid of little competition?

roberto

pre 13 godina

-"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence... it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.-

What is "democratic" serbia? those in serbia who hold some kind of democratic values constitute, sadly, a very small % of the citizens, and an even smaller % of the politico's/demagogues. as i've explained many times, you can hold 100 elections in 3 years, and still be as far fr democratic values as ever. as is the case in serbia, and numerous non-democratic countries around the world, putin-russia being but one.

jeremic has NOTHing to do w/ democratic values -- he was schooled at our Harvard just to help push his own RADICAL, anti-democratic values. that means the repression of human rights and minorities inside serbia. that means full frontal attack on neighbors -- specifically bosnia and kosova. weapon of choice: his endlessly inflammatory words. words, for the present...

jeremic's "lecture" tour, as usual, has nothing to do w/either human rights or the truth, and everything to do w/ the continued torture of the people of kosova, the continued false and phony relativization of war guilt, thru, among other means, the marty SMEAR report (that's its offical name.)

i find if funny and ironic when the nationalists say "we've talked about serbian war crimes for the last 20 years, bla bla bla." who is "we"? certainly not YOU all. serbian-led war crimes were denied before, during and after they occurred, esp.ly by the diaspora, while the serb orthodox church was claiming "bad things happen on all sides..." meanwhile blessing the worst terrorists who were slaughtering and raping 1000s of civilians.

serbia is very, very far from a democratic govt, democratic values, democratic media, etc. and those inside serbia who fight, courageously, day and night! in support of humanistic, democratic values -- i mean sonia and natasa but also so many of their colleagues -- are completely silenced and marginalized in the milosevic press.

oh my god, have i mentioned that before? i am so sorry. but you continue to silence the dissident intellectuals that could help lead the country at least in a less un-democratic direction, and i will NEVER cease to point that out. in fact it is exactly our job and responsibility to point that out, explicitly.

can't wait, next week in pristina, then onto my beloved sarajevo, then to visit frnd's and colleagues in serbia. fun comes in odd packages :))

Shalom.


roberto
frisco

dardanian

pre 13 godina

hello mr vuk u are to late read the factbook and see the truth not your myth propaganda build fom fake history stolen from yllirian albanian not from slavic siberian rusian refugee TUNG

gjon fusha

pre 13 godina

well as for the Illyrians, my dear k-albanian friend Tung, don´t you feel the need to learn something real about albanian history? I mean, clinging to myths and phantasies is not the way of handling I would expect of a person that is civilized, educated and confident.

(Jovan, 19 March 2011 12:29)

One can easily notice your arrogance Jovan. End matter of fact is not only you but most of Serbians here in this forum.
You accusing Tung for clinging to the myths, but is not all Serbias politics built on myths?
You asking Tung to learn something real about albanians, does this mean he has to read Serbians books?

cees

pre 13 godina

He could have some success in North-America, because what do they know about the wars on the Balkans.
Though we also admit that this 'pogrom' was wrong it is a minor thing compared to what happened to the Kosovo Albanians during the nineties. Is it really the only way of Serbian handling of their recent past? Even Tadic seems to think so, when he stated that he only can apologize, if both sides will do it. Does really no one in Serbia knows how life in Kosovo for the Albanians was after Milosevic ended the autonomy of the province in 1989?
It's a shame that just a few in this country seem to admit what happened and they are obviously not a part of this government and certainly not from the opposition where Mladic still is a 'hero'.

lili

pre 13 godina

it is funny to see how much money and how much energy serbs put in the kosovoproblem:they even did destroy yu for this!
Do you really think that you will be able to do now what you were not able to do when you had all powers in yu?Think twince.you destroed yu for that,may be you want to destroy serbia now for kosova?
Accept once that you will never be able to kill us all,and certainly not now that you have spred us all over the world thanks to your repression,so try to get rid of the kosovo problem for your good sake!

roberto

pre 13 godina

Apparently i've spawned a whole cottage industry of wack-jobs, which the milosevic press ALways, always facilitates.

they spend all of their "journalistic" energy censoring, "editing," silencing dissidents. but they facilitate every right wing wack-job from here to blgd, and back. way back, deep down under :)

so who to blame -- the wacko's, or those who promote them? think about it.

roberto
frisco

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

Mr Jeremic

Did you also told these students that Serbia was the agressor in this latest Balkan war?

Did you told them that the churches in Decan and Peje are build on Albanian Katholic churches.

What your are telling in these school is propaganda!

Tung

Liberale

pre 13 godina

Learning history from a Serb, please Vuk?

Your and Serbias double standards are well documented.
You talk about pogrom, Kosovo talks about genocides, you talk about "horrific claims" we talk about actual mass graves filled with hundreds of innocent people supported by the then Serb public.
You talk about 35 churches (that support hate towards non Serbs), we talk about a whole history.

I am sure he gets the ultra ethnic nationalist of Serbias blood boiling, but just like all other Serbs he is a nobody when it comes to real debates with out the inferiority complex.

As the only means for Serbs to "feel" in power is stalling and hoping like the rest here. More of gone with the wind than any plan.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 13 godina

Liberale!

Your Albanian history is fictitious.

Still fictitious in today's world. The only time i hear or read about Albania, is when an Albanian criminal, rapist or drug dealer gets caught.

That is the your "whole history"

So please leave Serbian history alone as there are no parrallels between Serbs and Albanians.

c.o.

pre 13 godina

A masterpiece of a one-sided statement by Jeremic, as if nothing else happened. Is this what you regard under "reconsilation"? Demonizing the others and blanking out the own crimes? That is the highest form hipocracy I have ever read. Not worth commenting this, more.

FREEDOM

pre 13 godina

@sj

First of all, we Albanians/Illyriers have nothing, but really nothing, in common with Serbs.

Your history lies in the Russian steps!

There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans.

You have no sense of history only what the Serb propagande is telling you and you copy this.


You think that Kosova is not independent but can you convince that Serbia is in control than?


Tung

EA

pre 13 godina

"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence... it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.

Does that mean that "....because there is no alternative to compromise, which can only be reached through negotiations and that dialogue is the only way to peace in Kosovo..." Serbia eventually will recognise Kosovo independence? ....and that because "...the talks between Belgrade and Priština... are a good start and "the results will not be lacking if both sides show good will and honestly try to find solutions, which will lead to a mutually acceptable compromise"?.

highduke

pre 13 godina

Diplomatic means are only successful bc we have RUS behind us. In the 90s our diplomacy had no leverage and that is why we used war to defend ourselves back then. Now we can use diplomacy to do what we failed to accomplish in the 90s.

miri

pre 13 godina

One question I would have asked if I was there.


Why do you Mr. Jeremic, lie in public about the purpose of the Belgrade-Pristina talks?

You have been clearly told by EU and have accepted a UNGA resolution that these talks will never be about status but will only be about technical issues.

If you so easily for you to lie about something that anyone can see, what keeps you from lying about anything that you say?

Zoran

pre 13 godina

That is the highest form hipocracy I have ever read. Not worth commenting this, more.
(c.o., 18 March 2011 11:28)
--
We've been discussing Serbian crimes for the past 20 years. Now it's time to reveal crimes committed by KiM Albanians, Bosnian Muslims and Croatians. It seems some don't like the taste of their own medicine.

roberto

pre 13 godina

-"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence... it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.-

What is "democratic" serbia? those in serbia who hold some kind of democratic values constitute, sadly, a very small % of the citizens, and an even smaller % of the politico's/demagogues. as i've explained many times, you can hold 100 elections in 3 years, and still be as far fr democratic values as ever. as is the case in serbia, and numerous non-democratic countries around the world, putin-russia being but one.

jeremic has NOTHing to do w/ democratic values -- he was schooled at our Harvard just to help push his own RADICAL, anti-democratic values. that means the repression of human rights and minorities inside serbia. that means full frontal attack on neighbors -- specifically bosnia and kosova. weapon of choice: his endlessly inflammatory words. words, for the present...

jeremic's "lecture" tour, as usual, has nothing to do w/either human rights or the truth, and everything to do w/ the continued torture of the people of kosova, the continued false and phony relativization of war guilt, thru, among other means, the marty SMEAR report (that's its offical name.)

i find if funny and ironic when the nationalists say "we've talked about serbian war crimes for the last 20 years, bla bla bla." who is "we"? certainly not YOU all. serbian-led war crimes were denied before, during and after they occurred, esp.ly by the diaspora, while the serb orthodox church was claiming "bad things happen on all sides..." meanwhile blessing the worst terrorists who were slaughtering and raping 1000s of civilians.

serbia is very, very far from a democratic govt, democratic values, democratic media, etc. and those inside serbia who fight, courageously, day and night! in support of humanistic, democratic values -- i mean sonia and natasa but also so many of their colleagues -- are completely silenced and marginalized in the milosevic press.

oh my god, have i mentioned that before? i am so sorry. but you continue to silence the dissident intellectuals that could help lead the country at least in a less un-democratic direction, and i will NEVER cease to point that out. in fact it is exactly our job and responsibility to point that out, explicitly.

can't wait, next week in pristina, then onto my beloved sarajevo, then to visit frnd's and colleagues in serbia. fun comes in odd packages :))

Shalom.


roberto
frisco

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Does that mean that "....because there is no alternative to compromise, which can only be reached through negotiations and that dialogue is the only way to peace in Kosovo..." Serbia eventually will recognise Kosovo independence?
(EA, 18 March 2011 11:01)
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Did you not read the article? Here, let me help. Jeremic said the following:

"The democratic Serbia opposes Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence by using only peaceful and diplomatic resources and it will never, under any circumstances, recognize the secession, whether directly or indirectly," Jeremić noted.

Clear now EA? I hope that answers your question. No recognition, no UN seat and no international legitimacy. It will end up being more than autonomy, less than independence. The best "Kosova" can hope for is some special status within the EU. That's it and no unification with Albania either.

Come back to reality my friends.

dardanian

pre 13 godina

hello mr vuk u are to late read the factbook and see the truth not your myth propaganda build fom fake history stolen from yllirian albanian not from slavic siberian rusian refugee TUNG

sj

pre 13 godina

(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 10:41)

Now I have heard everything. If you so revere Catholics why did you expel them from Kosovo? You guys are a joke to say the least. First it was “we have been here for thousands of years” then it was “we are Illyrians” then when all that was exposed as Albanians BS its now “Serbs built their Churches on the ruins of Albanian Catholic Churches.
This is a result of a people that have little to no culture of their own so they try and put a “mask” on another culture and take ownership.

(EA, 18 March 2011 11:01)

It’s all diplomatic talk and nothing else, mate. This statement is not to be taken too literally – it’s what the west wants to hear so you say it but do what’s best for you.
Surely there is an Albanian out there that has had some experience at this level in Government that could comment?

roberto

pre 13 godina

Apparently i've spawned a whole cottage industry of wack-jobs, which the milosevic press ALways, always facilitates.

they spend all of their "journalistic" energy censoring, "editing," silencing dissidents. but they facilitate every right wing wack-job from here to blgd, and back. way back, deep down under :)

so who to blame -- the wacko's, or those who promote them? think about it.

roberto
frisco

miri

pre 13 godina

-- Knowing what passes on this site for "your" side of the story - and one only needs to scroll down on this thread alone - I'd say it's best the youth of the world are spared your historical memories.
(Mike, 18 March 2011 21:10)

I wasn't talking about the world, I was talking about Russia. The world already knows our side of the story..

My statement was pure rhetoric since we all know whose side Russia is no matter what we say. The fact that US listens to both sides and stands beside K-Albanians makes our case much stronger, don't you think ?


Plus what is best for others to hear, is just your opinion. Are you afraid of little competition?

gjon fusha

pre 13 godina

well as for the Illyrians, my dear k-albanian friend Tung, don´t you feel the need to learn something real about albanian history? I mean, clinging to myths and phantasies is not the way of handling I would expect of a person that is civilized, educated and confident.

(Jovan, 19 March 2011 12:29)

One can easily notice your arrogance Jovan. End matter of fact is not only you but most of Serbians here in this forum.
You accusing Tung for clinging to the myths, but is not all Serbias politics built on myths?
You asking Tung to learn something real about albanians, does this mean he has to read Serbians books?

lili

pre 13 godina

it is funny to see how much money and how much energy serbs put in the kosovoproblem:they even did destroy yu for this!
Do you really think that you will be able to do now what you were not able to do when you had all powers in yu?Think twince.you destroed yu for that,may be you want to destroy serbia now for kosova?
Accept once that you will never be able to kill us all,and certainly not now that you have spred us all over the world thanks to your repression,so try to get rid of the kosovo problem for your good sake!

John

pre 13 godina

@sj

First of all, we Albanians/Illyriers have nothing, but really nothing, in common with Serbs.

Your history lies in the Russian steps!

There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans.

You have no sense of history only what the Serb propagande is telling you and you copy this.


You think that Kosova is not independent but can you convince that Serbia is in control than?


Tung
(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 15:20)

I love the way you have to make up you're history because you dont have any, and then disclaim anything that says otherwise (The majority does) as Serbian propoganda, With that kind of Mindset I can see how Kosovo is the way it is.

cees

pre 13 godina

He could have some success in North-America, because what do they know about the wars on the Balkans.
Though we also admit that this 'pogrom' was wrong it is a minor thing compared to what happened to the Kosovo Albanians during the nineties. Is it really the only way of Serbian handling of their recent past? Even Tadic seems to think so, when he stated that he only can apologize, if both sides will do it. Does really no one in Serbia knows how life in Kosovo for the Albanians was after Milosevic ended the autonomy of the province in 1989?
It's a shame that just a few in this country seem to admit what happened and they are obviously not a part of this government and certainly not from the opposition where Mladic still is a 'hero'.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan, 18 March 2011 16:04)
--
I doubt that very much but he was certainly talking about crimes committed by KiM Albanians. It is about time the world learns about them.

sj

pre 13 godina

(FREEDOM, 18 March 2011 15:20

Not the Illyrians again. Please can we have a decent discussion without your Albanian fantasy coming into it. You’re Illyrian as much as I am Chinese.
Where is your evidence that Albanians have occupied that region for thousands of years? There is not even graffiti on a cave wall. In fact the Turks were only there for 600 years and they have left more evidence of their occupation than the Albos.
My particular favorite is the one where the Serbian Churches are actually built on the sites of Albanian Catholic Church sites. But the fact the Catholic Albos are very small in number with the vast majority being Moslems is just a minor detail that needs more work.
However I am interested to hear how is Kosovo going to be self sufficient considering you’re independent? Here some news for you; if you take handouts from the EU to survive then you have nothing, so we all need as good laugh and wait for your next posting.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan)
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The students would love to be apart of that. This kind of freedom can only be found in Serbia. :)

Mike

pre 13 godina

"If only Russia would allow K-Albanian authorities to go around Russian colleges and preach their side of the story." (miri)

-- Knowing what passes on this site for "your" side of the story - and one only needs to scroll down on this thread alone - I'd say it's best the youth of the world are spared your historical memories.

MikeC

pre 13 godina

"There where the Illyrians/Albanians were already thousands of year in the Balkans"
FREEDOM

Iv'e asked albanians on this forum many time before but without getting any answer (for obvious reasons).

If you were in the balkans long before everyone else where is your proof? Surely any civilization leaves some kind of trace behind. However, I guess the so called illyrians were invisible. They lived in invisible houses and used invisible tools. Of course they weren't invisible, they never existed. Illyrians are as real as Superman and Santa Clause. Albanians make a lot of lies only to justify stealing Serbian land. Kosovo is Serbian. All our monasteries and churches are proof of that. Yes, roof! Something albanains know nothing about.

stari

pre 13 godina

it would appear that b92 has turned into kosovo. originally it started as the 'cradle' of serbian free press and now has turned into a place where albanians outnumber the serbs on their own ground and spew their xenophobic hate with the 'moderators' turning a blind eye...

Jim

pre 13 godina

Ivan - really, your spiteful comments are now becoming ridiculous. The US led a major bombing campaign against Serbia and then led the effort to try to secure independence for a part of its territory and the most that has happened is one night of violence during which the US embassy was attacked. There have been no terrorist attacks by Serbs against the US. On the other hand, the US has found itself facing several plots from Kosovo Albanians. If we want to play this game, who comes across as more moderate now then? Really, hatred has an interesting way of making people also sound stupid.

norberto

pre 13 godina

dear b92 readers.

once again my bro roberto has gone off the deep end. i keep telling him 2 chillax but he never listens. he's always 2 tense. even at home. i say "roberto, bubala you need to calm down" but he just goes on and on about how he's right and everyone else is wrong. after a while he tires himself out and cries himself 2 sleep.

he needs to realize what he thinks is a lack of democrcy by the blgd regime is even less in our beloved bosnia or in that "kosova" place he's raving about. ok, he's bff is kurti but there's more to that place than one guy with an awesome collection of books.

don't worry guys, not everyone in his family has this thing for serbs. theyre ok people like everyone else. yeah youve got some bad guys but so does everybody. my brother just cant see that. maybe our trip back to bosnia will help open his eyes 2 the reality he avoids. but he wont wanna leave sarajevo until he hitchhikes to prstna. imagine being in the car with him!

ciao!

norberto,
fiasco

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Did Jeremic even bother to tell those students how Serbs burned US embassy?
(ivan, 18 March 2011 16:04)
======================

That's something they already know. He is only telling them what they don't know and should know.

Jovan

pre 13 godina

@Tung:

you are a dreamer. unfortunately Serbs and Albanians have more on common than I like, but I have to face it.

your eagerness to draw the line between Serbs and Albanians actually only shows your desperate situation.

as for the Illyrians, not "Illyriers", who knows where you got that from, ...well as for the Illyrians, my dear k-albanian friend Tung, don´t you feel the need to learn something real about albanian history? I mean, clinging to myths and phantasies is not the way of handling I would expect of a person that is civilized, educated and confident.

so, that makes me think that you are a kid, a pupil I guess, sitting in front of his computer somewhere in western europe in his parents warm appartment, writing some nonsense in order to make himself feel better.

there´s not much more to say to you...



@sj:

the best think about the k-albanian claims in regard to serbian churches is that they on the one hand accuse the Serbs to have built their churches on top of "their" albanian churches, although these churches are totally orthodox in their style...

and the most stupid thing is that IF these churches are actually albanian churches, then WHY are the Albanians torching them ?

there is no logic in their propaganda, they only cannot admit that.

it´s all just very stupid, just rubbish.

tung is just a mislead kiddie, who doesn´t know what he´s writing about, don´t take him too serious.

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pre 13 godina

"serbia is very, very far from a democratic govt, democratic values, democratic media, etc.
(roberto, 19 March 2011 04:07)

With those high standards, How do you call Kosovo then? The 'Hell on earth', or what? With manipulated elections, criminal and corrupt politicians, kleptocrats comparable only to African kings, a society without any democratic and civil ideals, but only based on clan structures and loyality. A police that investigates only in cases they like...

norberto

pre 13 godina

oh there you go again roberto. railing like u always do against people that don't agree with u. we keep telling u to be more tolerant but u keep frightening the neighbors with your doomsday talk of censorship and whack jobs.

and of course whack job censors. esply in blgd.

come back inside. mom's cooking dinner and you need to finish packing. remembr we love u very much and we're concerned for ur wellbeing.

sorry again b92, we tried to keep an eye on him but he slipped out of the house again.

cheers,

norberto
fiasco

Roger7

pre 13 godina

roberto said, "he was schooled at our Harvard just to help push his own RADICAL, anti-democratic values"

What a DUMB comment!
This coming from a middle school employee.
Jealousy is not very attractive.
Petty, so shallow.

Jeremic also graduated with a degree in Theoretical Physics from Cambridge.

The fellow is a scholar and a gentleman, much more than I can say for many who post such petty comments here.