If they would have burned the flag of the Republic of Kosova, then we wouldn't care. In fact Kosova ALbanians wouldn't care either ;)
(Tirana)
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LOL.... Which is why they burnt the Albanian one.
Serbia's Ambassador in Tirana Miroljub Zarić was quoted as saying that he unofficially learned that some of the participants in the protest were detained, and also that there had been no official condemnation of the incident from Albanian authorities.
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What about you ambasador, did you condemn the burning of our flag by your people, how ironic....
Ivan "The Terrible" risks 1 to 4 years of prison.His lawyer is negotiating with the judges a 2 years sentence and extradition.Just for your information he's still in the women's prison wile wating the verdict.This is a very rare case, if not a unic case that a "man" is incarcerated with the women.That's so weird.Ivan was a wolf before the "burning" spectacle, but now he's just a litle baby goat,scared and terrified.What goes around comes around.
Isn't it more constructive to do something else, like roast some marshmellows with some scouts, or put on a puppet show for someone's children, or take a nice walk at sunrise/sunset, or grow a moustache, or have a cold beer with your friends, or anything except burning flags? God, how pathetic.
Both the Serbian hooligans and their Albanian parrots.
To get back at albanians serbs should steal their land, burn their mosques and harass their people.
After all, what you do to me I should do to you.
(Mikael C, 14 October 2010 21:58)
Great, and then Albanians can murder about 10,000 of Serbs and rape a few thousand women and expel about 1 million.
Kosova Albanians, are ALBANIANS living in Kosova. You serbs should understand that. It's just like Republika Srpska Serbs are still SERBS, even though they live outside official Serb borders. K_Albanians were discriminated back then because they were Albanian, now you attack them by burning the Albanian flag. What do you expect? We here in Tirana are supposed to just turn the other cheek? If they would have burned the flag of the Republic of Kosova, then we wouldn't care. In fact Kosova ALbanians wouldn't care either ;)
Nice comment Davide, but unfortunately the EU with its multi-tiered system, and the US with its arrogant attitude towards other nations, actually help to feed the belief that certain nationalities are better than others.
Ironically, the very nations who claim to be so morally right are the ones fuelling nationalism with their attitudes and international adventures.
Hei guys! Don't you realize that we (Serbians, Albanians, Italians etc..) are much more similar than different? Don't you see that there is much more difference from a stupid person to an intelligent one, than to an Albanian to a Serbian? Shouldn't we stop with the cliches and the stereotypes? We are giving too much space to these piromanic-idiots. The more we talk about this, the more they are happy. Being born in Serbia or in Albania or anywhere else, is just a matter of case. There is no vitue or merit in it! Nationalism make people myopic. I know that this is an obvious statement but sometimes it is good to remember it. Peace and Love to all of you!
Oh please, Berisha a Serbian agent? You are just coming up with excuses for the fact that Albania cannot get its act together and get rid of traits like corruption, crime and clan-ism.
To winston and quasistate: you are internationals who cannot get a mediocre job in the administration of your own countries but have the arrogance and ignorance to go and patronise those you can! Who are you to tell me if I should have a "K and an underline" in front of my nationality?! Or you think its cool to use it, like you know better?! You have sad lifes, work in Prishtina for 5, 6 or even 10 years, come and go and buy your assistant a cheap perfume at Duty Free! Cannot get anything better wherever you come from? I am sorry for you!
(Deti Jon, 14 October 2010 18:35)
Ouch....that hurts. Personally, I've always felt welcome in Kosovo....and the perfurme isn't that cheap.
Just to inform you guys, Ivan The Terrible was transfered to the women's prison in order to avoid any possible (probable)attempt to his live by albanians.( as you know there are unfortunatly around 2500 albanians in italian jails).Anyway, the "tough" Ivan Bogdanov is not that tough after all.He said that he was drunk and the anger was against his team.Well, he must have mistaken the albanian flag with the serbian one.
Well...tirana police headquarters did condemn the flag burning in front of serbian embassy in tirana...i wonder if police headquarters in tirana quilifies as ''albanian authorities'' or not...
Today is the first day I visit the site of B92. Both Serbs and Albanians have been bombarded by bad news that makes one against the other. Is fortunate to have an invention like the Internet and media such as B92, which allows comments. Today I felt good after reading the comments from pro-Serbs and pro-Albanians, most moderate and logical, away from the extremism that separated us for hundreds of years. The other thing that touched me is the mechanism of thinking, which is similar, but don't forget, even the crazy things we do are similar. Today I can say that I can communicate better with a Serb, rather than an Italian, German or English.
I should say that I am an Albanian, but in this comment I will say that I am from Balkans.
Sorry to burst all your bubbles, can't much agree with anyone here, Serb or Albanian, flag-burners or anti-burning pontificators.
Flags are pieces of material with pretty (sometimes) designs on them, under which people are sent, by their rulers, to kill others or be killed.
The burning of a few cotton rags on both occasions are surely the least problematic of the dramatic events the last few days.
(DimTuc, 14 October 2010 18:35)
I have to agree. By becoming enraged over the burning of a flag, people empower those doing the act itself. As distasteful as it may be to you, do not play into it. Ignore it. It is simply a piece of cloth, as you say, and not worth all this time and energy fighting about it. If no one got upset then the act itself loses its meaning and power.
This is stupid. Apparently in the Balkans the stupid and ignorant continue to be the proudest and most nationalistic. This shouldn't have happened. A very idiotic move.
it's not cool
when the Serbian hooligans burned the Albanian flag in Italy, some Albanians here said they would never do something like that.
well unfortunately Some thugs burn a Serbian flag in Tirana.
What is this obsession with the fire anyway? Why suddenly this epidemic pyromania?
It is so pathetic; first those crack heads in Genoa and now those stupid kids of my hometown burning flags. And now what? Who won? Don’t people have more important things to do? The truth is that I was expecting the Serbian officials to apologize to Albania the same way they did to Italy. It looks like they saying; “it is not good what we did to Italy” but “it’s OK to burn Albanian flags”??? I mean, what do you guys think, am I wrong? Anyway, it looks like the reconciliation between Serbian and Albanian people still a utopia. It won’t be like this forever, so why not start now for the sake of future generations? I used to live next to the Yugoslavian embassy before the 1990.Almost every day I would sit there under a tree and wait to see a beautiful Yugoslavian girl pass by. I don’t know if she worked there or was only someone’s wife, but she was nice and would smile every time that I say something to her. I used to say words like: Kako ti si lepa! O srce moje,ludo srce.It was dangerous to do that because there were Enver Hoxha’s security people everywhere. But I didn’t care. We are people and we are the same everywhere. That’s my point. I liked that girl and it did not matter if she was Serbian, Montenegrin or God knows what. This is the kind of things I like to remember and not the morons, half illiterate bums burning flags. Peace and Love.Paqe-Mir
The protest was held bacause the albanians were upset that their gonverment didn't protest to serbian gonverment, after the humiliation of our flag.So people reacted by calling "Berisha is a serbian lapdog" and burn the serbian flag.Anyway this demonstration was small one ,only 200 people.
But the solidarity among albanians was high.
In my home town were 90% of population is orthodox, people were waving albanian flag everywhere,recalling our heroes who fought against turks and greeks for Albanian independence.On Sunday the football fans will wave albanian flag instead the local team flag.
All albanians in Facebook put albanian flag in their profile.
(Mirel from Albania, 14 October 2010 15:33)
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Berisha is a serb agent in dicuise, hes married a serb woman, its been 20 years since the fall of communism
and Albania still is not living to its potential, becuase of this sick corrupt serb agent dictator,
who else would like to see Albania not doing well other than a serbia? everybody else does not care.
not even Albanians which leave and immigrate form this dictatorship.
The best time to take this enemy of the state out was in thr 97 anarchy, he needs to go out, and install the Zog monarchy for god sake and join EU.
Even Montenegro and Fyrom,
got Visa free travel before us, why are Albanians still sleeping,
The potential exsists as one the natural rich country per square kilometer in europe, get rid of the leech parasite Berisha first.
The number of Albanian apologetics on this site is ever increasing and ever amusing. This particular time I am choosing "illirian from Vushitrn" as the winner in the competion: Nickname of the century!
The sheer lack of knowledge or shall we say the ignorance of it among Albanian populace is criminal. You people need help, and immediately.
(TITO, 14 October 2010 18:42)
Geez, look who is talking. So you consider what happened in Genoa the beakon of world's civilization, human wisdom and knowledge headed by Serbia's best..... which did not reflect ignorance and utter criminal behaviour? I don;t want to go back to mass grave digging for which without a doubt your "kind" holds the gold medal in the Balkans and beyond...
TO kufr: you didn't catch an important point, protesters in Tirana held a banner which said "Kosovo is Albania", and these protesters are from Tirana.
To winston and quasistate: you are internationals who cannot get a mediocre job in the administration of your own countries but have the arrogance and ignorance to go and patronise those you can! Who are you to tell me if I should have a "K and an underline" in front of my nationality?! Or you think its cool to use it, like you know better?! You have sad lifes, work in Prishtina for 5, 6 or even 10 years, come and go and buy your assistant a cheap perfume at Duty Free! Cannot get anything better wherever you come from? I am sorry for you!
Someone here asked shouldnt K-Albanians burn a Serbian flag, well thats not the way we roll, once we light up smth thats Serbian, it will echo as it did in 2004.
The number of Albanian apologetics on this site is ever increasing and ever amusing. This particular time I am choosing "illirian from Vushitrn" as the winner in the competion: Nickname of the century!
The sheer lack of knowledge or shall we say the ignorance of it among Albanian populace is criminal. You people need help, and immediately.
And now, Mirel, Serbs, Greeks, Macedonians, Montenegrens, and maybe even some Turks, will have to boldly fight against the Albanian oppressors, and fight for their independence. It all depends on what side of the fence you are on, isn't it? As for the flag burning in Genoa, it was done by thugs trying to create trouble and a response, thanks to this small group of Albanians with a match, the hooligans succeded.
Serbia will never succeed to get rid from arrogant, ultra orthodox destructive people like these fans. The canker of the serbian society started during 80, developed during 90's and finally cemented after that the Jeremic become foreign min. Another fact are your cynical comments in B92 forums (kate, ratko, top, canadian serb etc.).
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri)
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These specific posters you have mentioned have posted facts after facts WITH evidence, unlike you and your emotional discombulated ranting.
And they wonder why they are not welcome in Croatia. Extreme right wind groups funded by Russia? No thank you Croatia's future is in the West. So long.
Burning the Serbian flag in protest to what the hooligan thugs did in Genoa is ridiculous, although expected from some Albanians that do not have the ability to think. Not only did the hooligans achieve their goal of putting Serbia in a bad light, but they have managed to suck some macho Albanians into their garbage. BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
(winston, 14 October)
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the burning of the Serbian flag. A brutish act following another brutish one.
As for Tirana allowing our flag to be flown in Kosova you must understand its their flag too just like the Serbs in RS fly the Serbian flag.
This really typifies the Serbian double-standards in their pathetic and 'constructive' policies towards the region. The Serbian government hasn't even bothered to comment about the disgraceful burning of the Albanian flag in Genoa and the Serbian ambassador now expects Albania to condemn the Albanian youths who are simply making a patriotic gesture and reacting to that evil provocation by Serbian thugs in Italy. I am convinced that the Serbian ambassador belongs to that same group of thugs too!
@ Winston: Because the flag of the state of Albania is the flag of all Albanians indipendently from where they are living and it represents them all. Difficuilt to catch?
(Drita)
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So in other words; Ultra-Nationalism/
The K Albanians never wave their own flag, I can't even remember what it looks like, since that thrilling K Albanian flag competition. Instead they wave the flag of their neighboring Albania. If the Albanians here cannot figure out that the thugs in Genoa directed the burning towards Pristina, well then, I have nothing to say.
you called hooligan who burned th Albanin flag in Genova.
After that you called albanians who burned the serbian flag in Tirana. I think that they(people that burned the flag in Tirana) are also hooligans and does not reflect albanian people, similarly with hooligans in Genova does not reflect serbian people.
I'm albanian from Albania and if someone has somthing against Kosovo let him burn the Kosovo flag(that is different from Albania flag).
(Saimir, 14 October 2010 14:34) "
Please read my post more carefully before you start shooting off the mouth. I stated "these Albanians" ie. I was referring to those who burned the Serbian flag. Obviously I was not referring to all Albanians.
@ Winston: Because the flag of the state of Albania is the flag of all Albanians indipendently from where they are living and it represents them all. Difficuilt to catch?
"BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
(winston, "
Are you saying that Serbs dont take their flag in bosnia and montenegro? Stop acting all naive. Plus the thing about the serbs in geneva was that they had premeditated their criminal acts by already bringing a flag they thought of burning.
And even if Kosovars put up the Albanian flag, German French Uk and American, Why only burn the Albanian???
I know that you know ;)
Serbia will never succeed to get rid from arrogant, ultra orthodox destructive people like these fans. The canker of the serbian society started during 80, developed during 90's and finally cemented after that the Jeremic become foreign min. Another fact are your cynical comments in B92 forums (kate, ratko, top, canadian serb etc.).
The protest was held bacause the albanians were upset that their gonverment didn't protest to serbian gonverment, after the humiliation of our flag.So people reacted by calling "Berisha is a serbian lapdog" and burn the serbian flag.Anyway this demonstration was small one ,only 200 people.
But the solidarity among albanians was high.
In my home town were 90% of population is orthodox, people were waving albanian flag everywhere,recalling our heroes who fought against turks and greeks for Albanian independence.On Sunday the football fans will wave albanian flag instead the local team flag.
All albanians in Facebook put albanian flag in their profile.
Just a helpful hint to you proud protectors of the Albanian flag, the Serbian flag is red, white and blue, but it is the one without the little stars in the upper left hand corner. You wouldn't want to make that mistake.
How embarrassingly pathetic! Even more so than the idiotic hooligans who burned their flag.
(kate, 14 October 2010 12:22)
Yesterday you were making excuses for Serbs that rioted in Italy (I believe your exact words were: "what did people expect?") but coincidentally it appears that today you have found your moral compass. Nice.
How anyone can compare the hooligans in Italy to this is beyond me. This group burned the flag at a demonstration, not at an international soccer match! This group did not put families and spectators in danger like those Serbian thugs! Best of all this flag burning protest wont make headlines all over the world like the Serbs in ski masks did.....must be part of that giant conspiracy you guys constantly talk about....
Be careful Albanian protestors - I remember watching some fool in Pakistan once light an American flag, and set himself on fire too. Better have the fire department stand by in Tirana, if you want to burn something in protest.
Burning the Serbian flag in protest to what the hooligan thugs did in Genoa is ridiculous, although expected from some Albanians that do not have the ability to think. Not only did the hooligans achieve their goal of putting Serbia in a bad light, but they have managed to suck some macho Albanians into their garbage. BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
you called hooligan who burned th Albanin flag in Genova.
After that you called albanians who burned the serbian flag in Tirana. I think that they(people that burned the flag in Tirana) are also hooligans and does not reflect albanian people, similarly with hooligans in Genova does not reflect serbian people.
I'm albanian from Albania and if someone has somthing against Kosovo let him burn the Kosovo flag(that is different from Albania flag).
I feel ashamed as an Albanian for the burning of a flag (in this case Serbian flag)as much as I felt disgust and anger for what Serbian hooligans did in Genoa. Ignorance has no nationality and no religion and some of the members in B92 forums don't consider (or do not want to consider it)this fact
By the way Mr. Zaric, why no Serbian authority officially condemned the fact that some Serbian hooligans burned in front of whole world the Albanian flag?
What?! It would logical if albanians in Pristina burned a Serbian flag. Anyone who did not understand that the flag burning in Genoa was directed at Pristina must be amazingly stupid.
I feel ashamed as an Albanian for the burning of a flag (in this case Serbian flag)as much as I felt disgust and anger for what Serbian hooligans did in Genoa. Ignorance has no nationality and no religion and some of the members in B92 forums don't consider (or do not want to consider it)this fact
How embarrassingly pathetic! Even more so than the idiotic hooligans who burned their flag.
(kate, 14 October 2010 12:22)
Yesterday you were making excuses for Serbs that rioted in Italy (I believe your exact words were: "what did people expect?") but coincidentally it appears that today you have found your moral compass. Nice.
How anyone can compare the hooligans in Italy to this is beyond me. This group burned the flag at a demonstration, not at an international soccer match! This group did not put families and spectators in danger like those Serbian thugs! Best of all this flag burning protest wont make headlines all over the world like the Serbs in ski masks did.....must be part of that giant conspiracy you guys constantly talk about....
The protest was held bacause the albanians were upset that their gonverment didn't protest to serbian gonverment, after the humiliation of our flag.So people reacted by calling "Berisha is a serbian lapdog" and burn the serbian flag.Anyway this demonstration was small one ,only 200 people.
But the solidarity among albanians was high.
In my home town were 90% of population is orthodox, people were waving albanian flag everywhere,recalling our heroes who fought against turks and greeks for Albanian independence.On Sunday the football fans will wave albanian flag instead the local team flag.
All albanians in Facebook put albanian flag in their profile.
Burning the Serbian flag in protest to what the hooligan thugs did in Genoa is ridiculous, although expected from some Albanians that do not have the ability to think. Not only did the hooligans achieve their goal of putting Serbia in a bad light, but they have managed to suck some macho Albanians into their garbage. BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
(winston, 14 October)
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the burning of the Serbian flag. A brutish act following another brutish one.
As for Tirana allowing our flag to be flown in Kosova you must understand its their flag too just like the Serbs in RS fly the Serbian flag.
What is this obsession with the fire anyway? Why suddenly this epidemic pyromania?
It is so pathetic; first those crack heads in Genoa and now those stupid kids of my hometown burning flags. And now what? Who won? Don’t people have more important things to do? The truth is that I was expecting the Serbian officials to apologize to Albania the same way they did to Italy. It looks like they saying; “it is not good what we did to Italy” but “it’s OK to burn Albanian flags”??? I mean, what do you guys think, am I wrong? Anyway, it looks like the reconciliation between Serbian and Albanian people still a utopia. It won’t be like this forever, so why not start now for the sake of future generations? I used to live next to the Yugoslavian embassy before the 1990.Almost every day I would sit there under a tree and wait to see a beautiful Yugoslavian girl pass by. I don’t know if she worked there or was only someone’s wife, but she was nice and would smile every time that I say something to her. I used to say words like: Kako ti si lepa! O srce moje,ludo srce.It was dangerous to do that because there were Enver Hoxha’s security people everywhere. But I didn’t care. We are people and we are the same everywhere. That’s my point. I liked that girl and it did not matter if she was Serbian, Montenegrin or God knows what. This is the kind of things I like to remember and not the morons, half illiterate bums burning flags. Peace and Love.Paqe-Mir
By the way Mr. Zaric, why no Serbian authority officially condemned the fact that some Serbian hooligans burned in front of whole world the Albanian flag?
@ Winston: Because the flag of the state of Albania is the flag of all Albanians indipendently from where they are living and it represents them all. Difficuilt to catch?
Serbia will never succeed to get rid from arrogant, ultra orthodox destructive people like these fans. The canker of the serbian society started during 80, developed during 90's and finally cemented after that the Jeremic become foreign min. Another fact are your cynical comments in B92 forums (kate, ratko, top, canadian serb etc.).
The number of Albanian apologetics on this site is ever increasing and ever amusing. This particular time I am choosing "illirian from Vushitrn" as the winner in the competion: Nickname of the century!
The sheer lack of knowledge or shall we say the ignorance of it among Albanian populace is criminal. You people need help, and immediately.
(TITO, 14 October 2010 18:42)
Geez, look who is talking. So you consider what happened in Genoa the beakon of world's civilization, human wisdom and knowledge headed by Serbia's best..... which did not reflect ignorance and utter criminal behaviour? I don;t want to go back to mass grave digging for which without a doubt your "kind" holds the gold medal in the Balkans and beyond...
What?! It would logical if albanians in Pristina burned a Serbian flag. Anyone who did not understand that the flag burning in Genoa was directed at Pristina must be amazingly stupid.
This really typifies the Serbian double-standards in their pathetic and 'constructive' policies towards the region. The Serbian government hasn't even bothered to comment about the disgraceful burning of the Albanian flag in Genoa and the Serbian ambassador now expects Albania to condemn the Albanian youths who are simply making a patriotic gesture and reacting to that evil provocation by Serbian thugs in Italy. I am convinced that the Serbian ambassador belongs to that same group of thugs too!
Burning the Serbian flag in protest to what the hooligan thugs did in Genoa is ridiculous, although expected from some Albanians that do not have the ability to think. Not only did the hooligans achieve their goal of putting Serbia in a bad light, but they have managed to suck some macho Albanians into their garbage. BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
Hei guys! Don't you realize that we (Serbians, Albanians, Italians etc..) are much more similar than different? Don't you see that there is much more difference from a stupid person to an intelligent one, than to an Albanian to a Serbian? Shouldn't we stop with the cliches and the stereotypes? We are giving too much space to these piromanic-idiots. The more we talk about this, the more they are happy. Being born in Serbia or in Albania or anywhere else, is just a matter of case. There is no vitue or merit in it! Nationalism make people myopic. I know that this is an obvious statement but sometimes it is good to remember it. Peace and Love to all of you!
Serbia will never succeed to get rid from arrogant, ultra orthodox destructive people like these fans. The canker of the serbian society started during 80, developed during 90's and finally cemented after that the Jeremic become foreign min. Another fact are your cynical comments in B92 forums (kate, ratko, top, canadian serb etc.).
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri)
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These specific posters you have mentioned have posted facts after facts WITH evidence, unlike you and your emotional discombulated ranting.
"BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
(winston, "
Are you saying that Serbs dont take their flag in bosnia and montenegro? Stop acting all naive. Plus the thing about the serbs in geneva was that they had premeditated their criminal acts by already bringing a flag they thought of burning.
And even if Kosovars put up the Albanian flag, German French Uk and American, Why only burn the Albanian???
I know that you know ;)
you called hooligan who burned th Albanin flag in Genova.
After that you called albanians who burned the serbian flag in Tirana. I think that they(people that burned the flag in Tirana) are also hooligans and does not reflect albanian people, similarly with hooligans in Genova does not reflect serbian people.
I'm albanian from Albania and if someone has somthing against Kosovo let him burn the Kosovo flag(that is different from Albania flag).
And they wonder why they are not welcome in Croatia. Extreme right wind groups funded by Russia? No thank you Croatia's future is in the West. So long.
Be careful Albanian protestors - I remember watching some fool in Pakistan once light an American flag, and set himself on fire too. Better have the fire department stand by in Tirana, if you want to burn something in protest.
Kosova Albanians, are ALBANIANS living in Kosova. You serbs should understand that. It's just like Republika Srpska Serbs are still SERBS, even though they live outside official Serb borders. K_Albanians were discriminated back then because they were Albanian, now you attack them by burning the Albanian flag. What do you expect? We here in Tirana are supposed to just turn the other cheek? If they would have burned the flag of the Republic of Kosova, then we wouldn't care. In fact Kosova ALbanians wouldn't care either ;)
@ Winston: Because the flag of the state of Albania is the flag of all Albanians indipendently from where they are living and it represents them all. Difficuilt to catch?
(Drita)
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So in other words; Ultra-Nationalism/
The number of Albanian apologetics on this site is ever increasing and ever amusing. This particular time I am choosing "illirian from Vushitrn" as the winner in the competion: Nickname of the century!
The sheer lack of knowledge or shall we say the ignorance of it among Albanian populace is criminal. You people need help, and immediately.
The K Albanians never wave their own flag, I can't even remember what it looks like, since that thrilling K Albanian flag competition. Instead they wave the flag of their neighboring Albania. If the Albanians here cannot figure out that the thugs in Genoa directed the burning towards Pristina, well then, I have nothing to say.
TO kufr: you didn't catch an important point, protesters in Tirana held a banner which said "Kosovo is Albania", and these protesters are from Tirana.
To winston and quasistate: you are internationals who cannot get a mediocre job in the administration of your own countries but have the arrogance and ignorance to go and patronise those you can! Who are you to tell me if I should have a "K and an underline" in front of my nationality?! Or you think its cool to use it, like you know better?! You have sad lifes, work in Prishtina for 5, 6 or even 10 years, come and go and buy your assistant a cheap perfume at Duty Free! Cannot get anything better wherever you come from? I am sorry for you!
Just to inform you guys, Ivan The Terrible was transfered to the women's prison in order to avoid any possible (probable)attempt to his live by albanians.( as you know there are unfortunatly around 2500 albanians in italian jails).Anyway, the "tough" Ivan Bogdanov is not that tough after all.He said that he was drunk and the anger was against his team.Well, he must have mistaken the albanian flag with the serbian one.
Oh please, Berisha a Serbian agent? You are just coming up with excuses for the fact that Albania cannot get its act together and get rid of traits like corruption, crime and clan-ism.
you called hooligan who burned th Albanin flag in Genova.
After that you called albanians who burned the serbian flag in Tirana. I think that they(people that burned the flag in Tirana) are also hooligans and does not reflect albanian people, similarly with hooligans in Genova does not reflect serbian people.
I'm albanian from Albania and if someone has somthing against Kosovo let him burn the Kosovo flag(that is different from Albania flag).
(Saimir, 14 October 2010 14:34) "
Please read my post more carefully before you start shooting off the mouth. I stated "these Albanians" ie. I was referring to those who burned the Serbian flag. Obviously I was not referring to all Albanians.
And now, Mirel, Serbs, Greeks, Macedonians, Montenegrens, and maybe even some Turks, will have to boldly fight against the Albanian oppressors, and fight for their independence. It all depends on what side of the fence you are on, isn't it? As for the flag burning in Genoa, it was done by thugs trying to create trouble and a response, thanks to this small group of Albanians with a match, the hooligans succeded.
Someone here asked shouldnt K-Albanians burn a Serbian flag, well thats not the way we roll, once we light up smth thats Serbian, it will echo as it did in 2004.
Today is the first day I visit the site of B92. Both Serbs and Albanians have been bombarded by bad news that makes one against the other. Is fortunate to have an invention like the Internet and media such as B92, which allows comments. Today I felt good after reading the comments from pro-Serbs and pro-Albanians, most moderate and logical, away from the extremism that separated us for hundreds of years. The other thing that touched me is the mechanism of thinking, which is similar, but don't forget, even the crazy things we do are similar. Today I can say that I can communicate better with a Serb, rather than an Italian, German or English.
I should say that I am an Albanian, but in this comment I will say that I am from Balkans.
To get back at albanians serbs should steal their land, burn their mosques and harass their people.
After all, what you do to me I should do to you.
(Mikael C, 14 October 2010 21:58)
Great, and then Albanians can murder about 10,000 of Serbs and rape a few thousand women and expel about 1 million.
Sorry to burst all your bubbles, can't much agree with anyone here, Serb or Albanian, flag-burners or anti-burning pontificators.
Flags are pieces of material with pretty (sometimes) designs on them, under which people are sent, by their rulers, to kill others or be killed.
The burning of a few cotton rags on both occasions are surely the least problematic of the dramatic events the last few days.
(DimTuc, 14 October 2010 18:35)
I have to agree. By becoming enraged over the burning of a flag, people empower those doing the act itself. As distasteful as it may be to you, do not play into it. Ignore it. It is simply a piece of cloth, as you say, and not worth all this time and energy fighting about it. If no one got upset then the act itself loses its meaning and power.
Nice comment Davide, but unfortunately the EU with its multi-tiered system, and the US with its arrogant attitude towards other nations, actually help to feed the belief that certain nationalities are better than others.
Ironically, the very nations who claim to be so morally right are the ones fuelling nationalism with their attitudes and international adventures.
This is stupid. Apparently in the Balkans the stupid and ignorant continue to be the proudest and most nationalistic. This shouldn't have happened. A very idiotic move.
To winston and quasistate: you are internationals who cannot get a mediocre job in the administration of your own countries but have the arrogance and ignorance to go and patronise those you can! Who are you to tell me if I should have a "K and an underline" in front of my nationality?! Or you think its cool to use it, like you know better?! You have sad lifes, work in Prishtina for 5, 6 or even 10 years, come and go and buy your assistant a cheap perfume at Duty Free! Cannot get anything better wherever you come from? I am sorry for you!
(Deti Jon, 14 October 2010 18:35)
Ouch....that hurts. Personally, I've always felt welcome in Kosovo....and the perfurme isn't that cheap.
Just a helpful hint to you proud protectors of the Albanian flag, the Serbian flag is red, white and blue, but it is the one without the little stars in the upper left hand corner. You wouldn't want to make that mistake.
Isn't it more constructive to do something else, like roast some marshmellows with some scouts, or put on a puppet show for someone's children, or take a nice walk at sunrise/sunset, or grow a moustache, or have a cold beer with your friends, or anything except burning flags? God, how pathetic.
Both the Serbian hooligans and their Albanian parrots.
The protest was held bacause the albanians were upset that their gonverment didn't protest to serbian gonverment, after the humiliation of our flag.So people reacted by calling "Berisha is a serbian lapdog" and burn the serbian flag.Anyway this demonstration was small one ,only 200 people.
But the solidarity among albanians was high.
In my home town were 90% of population is orthodox, people were waving albanian flag everywhere,recalling our heroes who fought against turks and greeks for Albanian independence.On Sunday the football fans will wave albanian flag instead the local team flag.
All albanians in Facebook put albanian flag in their profile.
(Mirel from Albania, 14 October 2010 15:33)
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Berisha is a serb agent in dicuise, hes married a serb woman, its been 20 years since the fall of communism
and Albania still is not living to its potential, becuase of this sick corrupt serb agent dictator,
who else would like to see Albania not doing well other than a serbia? everybody else does not care.
not even Albanians which leave and immigrate form this dictatorship.
The best time to take this enemy of the state out was in thr 97 anarchy, he needs to go out, and install the Zog monarchy for god sake and join EU.
Even Montenegro and Fyrom,
got Visa free travel before us, why are Albanians still sleeping,
The potential exsists as one the natural rich country per square kilometer in europe, get rid of the leech parasite Berisha first.
it's not cool
when the Serbian hooligans burned the Albanian flag in Italy, some Albanians here said they would never do something like that.
well unfortunately Some thugs burn a Serbian flag in Tirana.
Well...tirana police headquarters did condemn the flag burning in front of serbian embassy in tirana...i wonder if police headquarters in tirana quilifies as ''albanian authorities'' or not...
Ivan "The Terrible" risks 1 to 4 years of prison.His lawyer is negotiating with the judges a 2 years sentence and extradition.Just for your information he's still in the women's prison wile wating the verdict.This is a very rare case, if not a unic case that a "man" is incarcerated with the women.That's so weird.Ivan was a wolf before the "burning" spectacle, but now he's just a litle baby goat,scared and terrified.What goes around comes around.
Serbia's Ambassador in Tirana Miroljub Zarić was quoted as saying that he unofficially learned that some of the participants in the protest were detained, and also that there had been no official condemnation of the incident from Albanian authorities.
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What about you ambasador, did you condemn the burning of our flag by your people, how ironic....
If they would have burned the flag of the Republic of Kosova, then we wouldn't care. In fact Kosova ALbanians wouldn't care either ;)
(Tirana)
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LOL.... Which is why they burnt the Albanian one.
Burning the Serbian flag in protest to what the hooligan thugs did in Genoa is ridiculous, although expected from some Albanians that do not have the ability to think. Not only did the hooligans achieve their goal of putting Serbia in a bad light, but they have managed to suck some macho Albanians into their garbage. BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
The number of Albanian apologetics on this site is ever increasing and ever amusing. This particular time I am choosing "illirian from Vushitrn" as the winner in the competion: Nickname of the century!
The sheer lack of knowledge or shall we say the ignorance of it among Albanian populace is criminal. You people need help, and immediately.
What?! It would logical if albanians in Pristina burned a Serbian flag. Anyone who did not understand that the flag burning in Genoa was directed at Pristina must be amazingly stupid.
Be careful Albanian protestors - I remember watching some fool in Pakistan once light an American flag, and set himself on fire too. Better have the fire department stand by in Tirana, if you want to burn something in protest.
And they wonder why they are not welcome in Croatia. Extreme right wind groups funded by Russia? No thank you Croatia's future is in the West. So long.
Just a helpful hint to you proud protectors of the Albanian flag, the Serbian flag is red, white and blue, but it is the one without the little stars in the upper left hand corner. You wouldn't want to make that mistake.
you called hooligan who burned th Albanin flag in Genova.
After that you called albanians who burned the serbian flag in Tirana. I think that they(people that burned the flag in Tirana) are also hooligans and does not reflect albanian people, similarly with hooligans in Genova does not reflect serbian people.
I'm albanian from Albania and if someone has somthing against Kosovo let him burn the Kosovo flag(that is different from Albania flag).
The protest was held bacause the albanians were upset that their gonverment didn't protest to serbian gonverment, after the humiliation of our flag.So people reacted by calling "Berisha is a serbian lapdog" and burn the serbian flag.Anyway this demonstration was small one ,only 200 people.
But the solidarity among albanians was high.
In my home town were 90% of population is orthodox, people were waving albanian flag everywhere,recalling our heroes who fought against turks and greeks for Albanian independence.On Sunday the football fans will wave albanian flag instead the local team flag.
All albanians in Facebook put albanian flag in their profile.
(Mirel from Albania, 14 October 2010 15:33)
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Berisha is a serb agent in dicuise, hes married a serb woman, its been 20 years since the fall of communism
and Albania still is not living to its potential, becuase of this sick corrupt serb agent dictator,
who else would like to see Albania not doing well other than a serbia? everybody else does not care.
not even Albanians which leave and immigrate form this dictatorship.
The best time to take this enemy of the state out was in thr 97 anarchy, he needs to go out, and install the Zog monarchy for god sake and join EU.
Even Montenegro and Fyrom,
got Visa free travel before us, why are Albanians still sleeping,
The potential exsists as one the natural rich country per square kilometer in europe, get rid of the leech parasite Berisha first.
Serbia will never succeed to get rid from arrogant, ultra orthodox destructive people like these fans. The canker of the serbian society started during 80, developed during 90's and finally cemented after that the Jeremic become foreign min. Another fact are your cynical comments in B92 forums (kate, ratko, top, canadian serb etc.).
@ Winston: Because the flag of the state of Albania is the flag of all Albanians indipendently from where they are living and it represents them all. Difficuilt to catch?
(Drita)
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So in other words; Ultra-Nationalism/
The K Albanians never wave their own flag, I can't even remember what it looks like, since that thrilling K Albanian flag competition. Instead they wave the flag of their neighboring Albania. If the Albanians here cannot figure out that the thugs in Genoa directed the burning towards Pristina, well then, I have nothing to say.
Serbia will never succeed to get rid from arrogant, ultra orthodox destructive people like these fans. The canker of the serbian society started during 80, developed during 90's and finally cemented after that the Jeremic become foreign min. Another fact are your cynical comments in B92 forums (kate, ratko, top, canadian serb etc.).
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri)
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These specific posters you have mentioned have posted facts after facts WITH evidence, unlike you and your emotional discombulated ranting.
The protest was held bacause the albanians were upset that their gonverment didn't protest to serbian gonverment, after the humiliation of our flag.So people reacted by calling "Berisha is a serbian lapdog" and burn the serbian flag.Anyway this demonstration was small one ,only 200 people.
But the solidarity among albanians was high.
In my home town were 90% of population is orthodox, people were waving albanian flag everywhere,recalling our heroes who fought against turks and greeks for Albanian independence.On Sunday the football fans will wave albanian flag instead the local team flag.
All albanians in Facebook put albanian flag in their profile.
TO kufr: you didn't catch an important point, protesters in Tirana held a banner which said "Kosovo is Albania", and these protesters are from Tirana.
To winston and quasistate: you are internationals who cannot get a mediocre job in the administration of your own countries but have the arrogance and ignorance to go and patronise those you can! Who are you to tell me if I should have a "K and an underline" in front of my nationality?! Or you think its cool to use it, like you know better?! You have sad lifes, work in Prishtina for 5, 6 or even 10 years, come and go and buy your assistant a cheap perfume at Duty Free! Cannot get anything better wherever you come from? I am sorry for you!
This really typifies the Serbian double-standards in their pathetic and 'constructive' policies towards the region. The Serbian government hasn't even bothered to comment about the disgraceful burning of the Albanian flag in Genoa and the Serbian ambassador now expects Albania to condemn the Albanian youths who are simply making a patriotic gesture and reacting to that evil provocation by Serbian thugs in Italy. I am convinced that the Serbian ambassador belongs to that same group of thugs too!
The number of Albanian apologetics on this site is ever increasing and ever amusing. This particular time I am choosing "illirian from Vushitrn" as the winner in the competion: Nickname of the century!
The sheer lack of knowledge or shall we say the ignorance of it among Albanian populace is criminal. You people need help, and immediately.
(TITO, 14 October 2010 18:42)
Geez, look who is talking. So you consider what happened in Genoa the beakon of world's civilization, human wisdom and knowledge headed by Serbia's best..... which did not reflect ignorance and utter criminal behaviour? I don;t want to go back to mass grave digging for which without a doubt your "kind" holds the gold medal in the Balkans and beyond...
you called hooligan who burned th Albanin flag in Genova.
After that you called albanians who burned the serbian flag in Tirana. I think that they(people that burned the flag in Tirana) are also hooligans and does not reflect albanian people, similarly with hooligans in Genova does not reflect serbian people.
I'm albanian from Albania and if someone has somthing against Kosovo let him burn the Kosovo flag(that is different from Albania flag).
(Saimir, 14 October 2010 14:34) "
Please read my post more carefully before you start shooting off the mouth. I stated "these Albanians" ie. I was referring to those who burned the Serbian flag. Obviously I was not referring to all Albanians.
@ Winston: Because the flag of the state of Albania is the flag of all Albanians indipendently from where they are living and it represents them all. Difficuilt to catch?
it's not cool
when the Serbian hooligans burned the Albanian flag in Italy, some Albanians here said they would never do something like that.
well unfortunately Some thugs burn a Serbian flag in Tirana.
By the way Mr. Zaric, why no Serbian authority officially condemned the fact that some Serbian hooligans burned in front of whole world the Albanian flag?
How embarrassingly pathetic! Even more so than the idiotic hooligans who burned their flag.
(kate, 14 October 2010 12:22)
Yesterday you were making excuses for Serbs that rioted in Italy (I believe your exact words were: "what did people expect?") but coincidentally it appears that today you have found your moral compass. Nice.
How anyone can compare the hooligans in Italy to this is beyond me. This group burned the flag at a demonstration, not at an international soccer match! This group did not put families and spectators in danger like those Serbian thugs! Best of all this flag burning protest wont make headlines all over the world like the Serbs in ski masks did.....must be part of that giant conspiracy you guys constantly talk about....
Nice comment Davide, but unfortunately the EU with its multi-tiered system, and the US with its arrogant attitude towards other nations, actually help to feed the belief that certain nationalities are better than others.
Ironically, the very nations who claim to be so morally right are the ones fuelling nationalism with their attitudes and international adventures.
Someone here asked shouldnt K-Albanians burn a Serbian flag, well thats not the way we roll, once we light up smth thats Serbian, it will echo as it did in 2004.
Just to inform you guys, Ivan The Terrible was transfered to the women's prison in order to avoid any possible (probable)attempt to his live by albanians.( as you know there are unfortunatly around 2500 albanians in italian jails).Anyway, the "tough" Ivan Bogdanov is not that tough after all.He said that he was drunk and the anger was against his team.Well, he must have mistaken the albanian flag with the serbian one.
Burning the Serbian flag in protest to what the hooligan thugs did in Genoa is ridiculous, although expected from some Albanians that do not have the ability to think. Not only did the hooligans achieve their goal of putting Serbia in a bad light, but they have managed to suck some macho Albanians into their garbage. BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
(winston, 14 October)
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the burning of the Serbian flag. A brutish act following another brutish one.
As for Tirana allowing our flag to be flown in Kosova you must understand its their flag too just like the Serbs in RS fly the Serbian flag.
"BTW, I think the burning of the Albanian flag was aimed more at Kosovo Albanians, not at Tirana, because the K_Albanians use someone else's flag, and not their own. Why does Tirana allow that?
(winston, "
Are you saying that Serbs dont take their flag in bosnia and montenegro? Stop acting all naive. Plus the thing about the serbs in geneva was that they had premeditated their criminal acts by already bringing a flag they thought of burning.
And even if Kosovars put up the Albanian flag, German French Uk and American, Why only burn the Albanian???
I know that you know ;)
Isn't it more constructive to do something else, like roast some marshmellows with some scouts, or put on a puppet show for someone's children, or take a nice walk at sunrise/sunset, or grow a moustache, or have a cold beer with your friends, or anything except burning flags? God, how pathetic.
Both the Serbian hooligans and their Albanian parrots.
I feel ashamed as an Albanian for the burning of a flag (in this case Serbian flag)as much as I felt disgust and anger for what Serbian hooligans did in Genoa. Ignorance has no nationality and no religion and some of the members in B92 forums don't consider (or do not want to consider it)this fact
Oh please, Berisha a Serbian agent? You are just coming up with excuses for the fact that Albania cannot get its act together and get rid of traits like corruption, crime and clan-ism.
To get back at albanians serbs should steal their land, burn their mosques and harass their people.
After all, what you do to me I should do to you.
(Mikael C, 14 October 2010 21:58)
Great, and then Albanians can murder about 10,000 of Serbs and rape a few thousand women and expel about 1 million.
Serbia's Ambassador in Tirana Miroljub Zarić was quoted as saying that he unofficially learned that some of the participants in the protest were detained, and also that there had been no official condemnation of the incident from Albanian authorities.
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What about you ambasador, did you condemn the burning of our flag by your people, how ironic....
And now, Mirel, Serbs, Greeks, Macedonians, Montenegrens, and maybe even some Turks, will have to boldly fight against the Albanian oppressors, and fight for their independence. It all depends on what side of the fence you are on, isn't it? As for the flag burning in Genoa, it was done by thugs trying to create trouble and a response, thanks to this small group of Albanians with a match, the hooligans succeded.
Well...tirana police headquarters did condemn the flag burning in front of serbian embassy in tirana...i wonder if police headquarters in tirana quilifies as ''albanian authorities'' or not...
To winston and quasistate: you are internationals who cannot get a mediocre job in the administration of your own countries but have the arrogance and ignorance to go and patronise those you can! Who are you to tell me if I should have a "K and an underline" in front of my nationality?! Or you think its cool to use it, like you know better?! You have sad lifes, work in Prishtina for 5, 6 or even 10 years, come and go and buy your assistant a cheap perfume at Duty Free! Cannot get anything better wherever you come from? I am sorry for you!
(Deti Jon, 14 October 2010 18:35)
Ouch....that hurts. Personally, I've always felt welcome in Kosovo....and the perfurme isn't that cheap.
Kosova Albanians, are ALBANIANS living in Kosova. You serbs should understand that. It's just like Republika Srpska Serbs are still SERBS, even though they live outside official Serb borders. K_Albanians were discriminated back then because they were Albanian, now you attack them by burning the Albanian flag. What do you expect? We here in Tirana are supposed to just turn the other cheek? If they would have burned the flag of the Republic of Kosova, then we wouldn't care. In fact Kosova ALbanians wouldn't care either ;)
Hei guys! Don't you realize that we (Serbians, Albanians, Italians etc..) are much more similar than different? Don't you see that there is much more difference from a stupid person to an intelligent one, than to an Albanian to a Serbian? Shouldn't we stop with the cliches and the stereotypes? We are giving too much space to these piromanic-idiots. The more we talk about this, the more they are happy. Being born in Serbia or in Albania or anywhere else, is just a matter of case. There is no vitue or merit in it! Nationalism make people myopic. I know that this is an obvious statement but sometimes it is good to remember it. Peace and Love to all of you!
What is this obsession with the fire anyway? Why suddenly this epidemic pyromania?
It is so pathetic; first those crack heads in Genoa and now those stupid kids of my hometown burning flags. And now what? Who won? Don’t people have more important things to do? The truth is that I was expecting the Serbian officials to apologize to Albania the same way they did to Italy. It looks like they saying; “it is not good what we did to Italy” but “it’s OK to burn Albanian flags”??? I mean, what do you guys think, am I wrong? Anyway, it looks like the reconciliation between Serbian and Albanian people still a utopia. It won’t be like this forever, so why not start now for the sake of future generations? I used to live next to the Yugoslavian embassy before the 1990.Almost every day I would sit there under a tree and wait to see a beautiful Yugoslavian girl pass by. I don’t know if she worked there or was only someone’s wife, but she was nice and would smile every time that I say something to her. I used to say words like: Kako ti si lepa! O srce moje,ludo srce.It was dangerous to do that because there were Enver Hoxha’s security people everywhere. But I didn’t care. We are people and we are the same everywhere. That’s my point. I liked that girl and it did not matter if she was Serbian, Montenegrin or God knows what. This is the kind of things I like to remember and not the morons, half illiterate bums burning flags. Peace and Love.Paqe-Mir
This is stupid. Apparently in the Balkans the stupid and ignorant continue to be the proudest and most nationalistic. This shouldn't have happened. A very idiotic move.
Today is the first day I visit the site of B92. Both Serbs and Albanians have been bombarded by bad news that makes one against the other. Is fortunate to have an invention like the Internet and media such as B92, which allows comments. Today I felt good after reading the comments from pro-Serbs and pro-Albanians, most moderate and logical, away from the extremism that separated us for hundreds of years. The other thing that touched me is the mechanism of thinking, which is similar, but don't forget, even the crazy things we do are similar. Today I can say that I can communicate better with a Serb, rather than an Italian, German or English.
I should say that I am an Albanian, but in this comment I will say that I am from Balkans.
Sorry to burst all your bubbles, can't much agree with anyone here, Serb or Albanian, flag-burners or anti-burning pontificators.
Flags are pieces of material with pretty (sometimes) designs on them, under which people are sent, by their rulers, to kill others or be killed.
The burning of a few cotton rags on both occasions are surely the least problematic of the dramatic events the last few days.
(DimTuc, 14 October 2010 18:35)
I have to agree. By becoming enraged over the burning of a flag, people empower those doing the act itself. As distasteful as it may be to you, do not play into it. Ignore it. It is simply a piece of cloth, as you say, and not worth all this time and energy fighting about it. If no one got upset then the act itself loses its meaning and power.
Ivan "The Terrible" risks 1 to 4 years of prison.His lawyer is negotiating with the judges a 2 years sentence and extradition.Just for your information he's still in the women's prison wile wating the verdict.This is a very rare case, if not a unic case that a "man" is incarcerated with the women.That's so weird.Ivan was a wolf before the "burning" spectacle, but now he's just a litle baby goat,scared and terrified.What goes around comes around.
If they would have burned the flag of the Republic of Kosova, then we wouldn't care. In fact Kosova ALbanians wouldn't care either ;)
(Tirana)
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LOL.... Which is why they burnt the Albanian one.
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