UK ambassador on Kosovo status

Kosovo will never be independent, and is irreversibly blocked, that is a fact Mr. Wordsworth, deal with it. Another fact, your UK government is bankrupt, and you are no longer an emipire but a small island. We don't care what you say, what you think, or what you do, so keep your nose out of our business and worry about something more important, like your afternoon tea.

“Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,” the British envoy in Serbia told daily Blic.


My Godness, he even left me speechless, what a guy!

Truth sometimes hurts mr Jeremic but accept reality better sooner than later so Kosovo and Serbia can benefit EU integrations.

Mr. Wordsworth! Serbia will never give up the "root" of its nation. NATO occupation of kosovo province will end soon.

Wordsworth sounded desperate about Kosovo's status now. He just talked about it on June 5th as reported by B92. In that earlier report he tried to sound threatening by linking Serbia's EU entry to Kosovo recognition. Notice that he has now somewhat backtracked when his implied threats earlier got him nowhere!

The dear old ambassador seems to appear more often on the daily news than "eastenders" does on BBC1.

He speaks like a blue-blooded Englander who still believes that his country rules the waves not realizing it did so by waiving the rules.Fair play and third country rights never entered into equation.

Having bended international law in order to suit their own political agendas mr Wordsworth is telling Serbia to accept the partition of its territory, thus legitimitizing the West's blunder,for the sake of some future membership of a bankrupt club called EU.

One can clearly see the whole process of kosovo recognitions has come to a standstill and the West needs Serbia's help to rekindle it.

My own answer to mr ambassador will be that Serbia cannot trade its sovereignty for some future membership with a bankrupt club called EU.

What a guy! He is a realist.

THANK YOU the UK ambassador.

Some muppets fail to heed the common sense.

"Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,” the British envoy in Serbia told daily Blic.

-- But Kosovo's sovereignty is not, and to continue pushing such claims leads the West not only to dead ends with Belgrade but to unkept promises to Pristina. Moreover, 2/3 of the world would question Kosovo's independence as fact. He can repeat the statement as many times as he likes, but it it doesn't look like a duck or walk like a duck, it ain't no duck.

Rather than thinking a "compromise" means returning Kosovo entirely to Serbia (which as much as I'd like I can't see that happening), why not consider a number of other options that addresses Pristina's indefinitely limited hold on sovereignty and gives some concessions to Belgrade by way of recognizing their continued hold on authority in the Serb municipalities. By constantly refusing any and all negotiations and continuing to hold to this ridiculous notion that Kosovo is a state equal to Serbia and other neighboring countries, Wordworth only looks like another neo-colonialist with a poor degree of rhetoric.

It is only a 'fact' by a minority of UN Member States and certainly not the whole EU. Wordsworth himself is being economical with the so-called 'facts'.

This whole thing about presenting it as an 'inevitability' is rubbish. That's what Hitler and others before believed.

Enough of his blackmail diplospeak.

Wordsworth said that Belgrade "did not have to solve the Kosovo question in order to become a candidate for EU membership".

...but it must recognized kosovo to become an EU ms? That is what he is saying and is clearly the UK's unofficial position, though it doesn't have the guts to say it publicly.

Wordsworth pretends to speak on behalf of the EU when he is only a representative of but the UK government. If the brits are so desperate to have Kosovo independent, then they can subsidize it just like the rest of the SFRY did for decades because it is an economic basket case. But the UK can't as they officially run out of money after this afternoon's budget which will devastate many people's lives. They won't have any money left to sponsor their foreign adventures.

"Frustration frustration. Sounds like someone is having a tantrum." (Zoran)

-- Notice the only people he seems to convince with his limited thinking are the Albanian diaspora.

thanks mr. Wordsworth for telling us the truth!

My own answer to mr ambassador will be that Serbia cannot trade its sovereignty for some future membership with a bankrupt club called EU.
(Leonidas, 22 June 2010 14:38) but how come your country greece did then?are you people more clever than serbs or what?

“Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,” the British envoy in Serbia told daily Blic.
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Frustration frustration. Sounds like someone is having a tantrum.

I must admit that it is baffling to see how much news in the Serbian press contradict even within a week. Finally, some others have noticed that, too, and made an article. Read here:

EU confuses Serbian leaders who confuse Serbian people

http://waz.euobserver.com/887/30334

I can just recommend all (including B92 journalists) to read it. For the ongoing discussion I simply hint to the last paragraph:

"I am afraid leaders in Belgrade and Pristina do not understand that if they want to move ahead on the European path, it is not important how many countries support you, but whether there is consensus in the EU or not. In other words, you need all EU countries on your side. To stop you or to slow you down, just one member state is sufficient," the diplomat noted."

No further comment.

“Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,”

wow, great diplomacy. i had better negotiating skills in grade 2...

"I am afraid leaders in Belgrade and Pristina do not understand that if they want to move ahead on the European path, it is not important how many countries support you, but whether there is consensus in the EU or not. In other words, you need all EU countries on your side. To stop you or to slow you down, just one member state is sufficient," the diplomat noted."

No further comment.
(JohnC., 22 June 2010 16:14)

Eeeeeeeeexactly. This is what I have been saying all along. Since Serbs in general are not altogether keen on the EU (most definitely not in favour of Kosovo), this is hardly an issue for them, whilst the Kosovars would give half of their organs to get in, this is something that pertains to them especially.

All or nothing. Keine weise, as the Germans would say. If Kosovo cannot convince the five members who don't recognize it, then that's it, no EU.

The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Germany and France, as some like to think.

All or nothing. Keine weise, as the Germans would say. If Kosovo cannot convince the five members who don't recognize it, then that's it, no EU.

The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Germany and France, as some like to think.
(Peter Sudyka, 22 June 2010 16:56)

Eeeeeexactly! If Serbia can not convince 22 EU countries who recognized Kosovo, then that's it, no EU.
The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Spain and Cyprus, as some like to think.

Truth sometimes hurts mr Jeremic but accept reality better sooner than later so Kosovo and Serbia can benefit EU integrations.
(Oso, 22 June 2010 10:49)

So then Georgia has to give up on Ossetia and Abkhazia to become EU member?

"By constantly refusing any and all negotiations and continuing to hold to this ridiculous notion that Kosovo is a state equal to Serbia and other neighboring countries, ..."
(Mike, 22 June 2010 16:31)

I don't know which is more ridiculous; K. as an independent state or K. as part of Serbia. However one metric of "ridiculousness" could be as follows:
Russia's single veto or US, Britain and France's veto(s), not to mention Japan and Germany who although without veto, have a lot of saying in int. affairs.
As per China, rest assure it will never veto K. independence single handed.

All or nothing. Keine weise, as the Germans would say. If Kosovo cannot convince the five members who don't recognize it, then that's it, no EU.

The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Germany and France, as some like to think.
(Peter Sudyka, 22 June 2010 16:56)

Eeeexactly! If Serbia can not convince 22 EU members who recognize Kosovo, then that's it, no EU.
The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Spain and Cyprus, as some like to think. :)

-- Notice the only people he seems to convince with his limited thinking are the Albanian diaspora.
(Mike, 22 June 2010 17:25)
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Wordsworth is obviously saying what they want to hear however detached from reality it is. He seems to be repeating the same script he received in 2008. Fortunately we have all moved on but he obviously has not.

Anyway, one should ask Wordsworth whether "Kosova" will be in the 2012 London Olympics flying their flag like all other independent states. I think we all know the answer to that.

It should actually read the Ambassador for a past empire, Stephen Wordsworth said ……” Its always interesting that this man opens his mouth espousing views as if his comments matter.

It is also interesting to note that prior to this mess in Iraq and Afghanistan the country was calling itself the United Kingdom. However, since its solders began to dying for the stupidity of the US its now Great Britain – what’s great about no one know but its great.

“…..Wordsworth was also quoted as saying that none of the many EU officials he met with recently believe that “Kosovo’s government would accept returning Kosovo" under Serbia’s control”.

This means that Thaci et al are a real government – please give me a break and stop this gaga land fantasy. They live hand to mouth from the EU’s coffers and it they wont accept – lets be clear here it’s not the Albanians but the US that still thinks it rules the planet. I suppose McCrystal’s interview in Rolling Stone magazine tells you what the soldier on the frontline thinks about the Ivory tower advisers in Washington – I believe one policy advisor was referred to as a clown. The real purpose behind these statements is not to discredit Obama but that he is surrounded by dead wood that should be cleaning the White House not occupying it.

Oh yes Holbrook got a pasting and that’s because this man’s word in meaningless. McCrystal would really like someone like Dicky in negotiations with the enemy with a reputation that he does not keep his word. Karadjic has destroyed Dicky’s career completely and I have heard that Obama would like to get rid of him.

… to begin the ratification of the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) with Serbia..”

Interesting how quickly the SAA is going to be ratified considering that 6 months ago it was rhetoric like “if Kosovo is not recognised plus Mladic in the Tribunal then no ratification of SAA”. Serbia has not recognised Kosovo nor has it handed over Mladic and the SAA is going to be ratified even by Holland. Where is Doris Pack now??????????? She made several statements along this line, ha, ha, ha.

"I am afraid leaders in Belgrade and Pristina do not understand that if they want to move ahead on the European path, it is not important how many countries support you, but whether there is consensus in the EU or not. In other words, you need all EU countries on your side. To stop you or to slow you down, just one member state is sufficient," the diplomat noted."

No further comment.
(JohnC., 22 June 2010 16:14)

Only true until the Lisbon Treaty comes into force when Enlargement becomes QMV.

Of course I will not ignore the very real possibilities that other means of blocking countries from joining will be used as a form of veto, notably if member states take a subjective view to fulfilling entry criteria even if the Commission's reports are clear. In Brussels is it fudge, fudge and fudge again.

Simpatiku

I am glad we are on the same page. ;) It seems both countries have a problem.

Everything said from a UK diplomate is without surprise and expected. He said nothing that moved the process forward what-so-ever, but by some interpretations, moved it back.

It's amazing that we have democratic nations advocating that compromise is a "dead issue" for Serbia. As the albanians are obviously pleased by these terms their masters have suggested, by no means is this the end of the process. It's a setback for Serbia when democracy and terms for compromise are sabotaged by London, Paris and Washington, but make no mistake, Serbia is in this for the long haul. Are you? Time is on our side for history proves this to be the case. Tick tock tick tock.

I am extremely curious of your reaction Mr Ambassador when Scotland declares independence. ;)

Eeeeeexactly! If Serbia can not convince 22 EU countries who recognized Kosovo, then that's it, no EU.
The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Spain and Cyprus, as some like to think.
(Simpatiku, 22 June 2010 17:29)
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How many times does it have to stated to you that the other 22 countries have no objection to Serbia entering the EU?
Tell me which country has said they will not because of Kosovo?
Even Germany is supporting Serbia in this.

You will be suprised when Majlinda Kelmendi from Pejë/Pec will be there representing Kosova/o. Judo champ.
(Kosova-USA, 22 June 2010 21:32)
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I can assure you there won't be a "Kosova" flag in sight. People who come from illegitimate entities can only compete under the Olympic flag (a bit like UNMIK-Kosovo). So much for Wordsworth's worthless words.

As per China, rest assure it will never veto K. independence single handed.
(miri, 22 June 2010 17:52)
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Sure about that?
China did something not long ago that previously was also unthinkable, presenting an oral argument in Serbia's favour at ICJ.

China wants to be a bigger influence now and this will be just one way to achieve that.
Miri, you are only hoping and looking at today's China realistically.

Anyway, one should ask Wordsworth whether "Kosova" will be in the 2012 London Olympics flying their flag like all other independent states. I think we all know the answer to that.
(Zoran, 22 June 2010 19:06)

You will be suprised when Majlinda Kelmendi from Pejë/Pec will be there representing Kosova/o. Judo champ.

Peggy - You are absolutely right. This misrepresentation by a small group of people who just happen to write in the same way, all lower case, and make the same spelling errors is really becoming boring and embarrassingly transparent.

Statement by British Ambassador to Belgrade Stephen Wordsworth
"Kosovo independence is a fact"
That's not the true now or ever is going to be without changing
UN resolution 1244.Neither you or your Government have authority or power to change that.Kosovo borders are in Serbian hands now and will remain indefinitely

serbia must go on and forget kosovo anyway we lost kosova in 1999 so why are we still talkin nonsense...

serbia must go on and forget kosovo anyway we lost kosova in 1999 so why are we still talkin nonsense...
(beograd, 24 June 2010 00:00)
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Can you please present yourself truthfully instead of signing with beograd when clearly you are Albanian.

Just writing KosovA gives you away. Think about it next time you want to misrepresent yourself.

"I don't know which is more ridiculous; K. as an independent state or K. as part of Serbia." (miri)

-- Both seem pretty "ridiculous" right about now, and considering this argument has been going on for two years, I can bet we'll be here a year from now still trying to find an optimal middleground to both of these untenable situations.

"However one metric of "ridiculousness" could be as follows: Russia's single veto or US, Britain and France's veto(s), not to mention Japan and Germany who although without veto, have a lot of saying in int. affairs."

-- Well you know it only takes one veto to make or break the party and it looks like it's down to Russia or the US keeping things interesting. The rest are merely spectators. France isn't going to go out of its way if the US is playing first violin. As for Japan, when was the last time they went out of their way for Kosovo?

"As per China, rest assure it will never veto K. independence single handed."

-- Probably not, but like France they don't need to since Russia's got it.

'Scotland benefits well from being part of the UK'

Ian UK

It's a pity that England does not benefit from being part of the UK but is simply a milk cow and scapegoat for Britain's other nations.

It isn't necessary for you to tell anyone what you think, Ian UK. One can surmise it just by reading any UK Government policy statement or document on just about anything.

and i agree with him, i think serbs need to wake up and smell the truth out there,, saying that 80% of serb population know that anyway.

How many times does it have to stated to you that the other 22 countries have no objection to Serbia entering the EU?
Tell me which country has said they will not because of Kosovo?
Even Germany is supporting Serbia in this.
(Peggy, 22 June 2010 23:21)

Peggy
Nobody has nothing against countries entering EU. However they have stated many times that Kosovo is not the condition for progress of Serbia toward EU and not for Serbia entering EU. They said already they do not want to inherit second Cyprus issues.
Condition is good neighbour relations and for 22 members of EU Kosovo is neighbour of Serbia.

Frustration frustration. Sounds like someone is having a tantrum.
(Zoran, 22 June 2010 14:42)

Yeh Jeremic seems proper frustrated, just look at him repeating the same thing every week just because things aren't going his way.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=06&dd=22&nav_id=67955
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Anyway, one should ask Wordsworth whether "Kosova" will be in the 2012 London Olympics flying their flag like all other independent states. I think we all know the answer to that.
(Zoran, 22 June 2010 19:06)

Yeh well I hope Serbia enjoys competing with all them independent states and UN members at the Olympics like Puerto Rico, Hong Kong, Aruba, American Samoa, Bermuda, UK Virgin Isles, US Virgin Isles, Cook Islands and the Netherlands Antilles etc.

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I am extremely curious of your reaction Mr Ambassador when Scotland declares independence. ;)
(Milan, 22 June 2010 22:23)

Less than 20% of Scots want independence. The last two PMs were Scottish, Scotland benefits well from being part of the UK. Also the SNP couldn't even get a majority in the Scottish Parliament and they only got 6 seats in the general election. Lib-Dems and Labour are much bigger in Scotland.

I can assure you there won't be a "Kosova" flag in sight. People who come from illegitimate entities can only compete under the Olympic flag (a bit like UNMIK-Kosovo). So much for Wordsworth's worthless words.
(Zoran, 23 June 2010 11:17

What a fortune teller :)

Truth sometimes hurts mr Jeremic but accept reality better sooner than later so Kosovo and Serbia can benefit EU integrations.

“Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,” the British envoy in Serbia told daily Blic.


My Godness, he even left me speechless, what a guy!

Mr. Wordsworth! Serbia will never give up the "root" of its nation. NATO occupation of kosovo province will end soon.

thanks mr. Wordsworth for telling us the truth!

Kosovo will never be independent, and is irreversibly blocked, that is a fact Mr. Wordsworth, deal with it. Another fact, your UK government is bankrupt, and you are no longer an emipire but a small island. We don't care what you say, what you think, or what you do, so keep your nose out of our business and worry about something more important, like your afternoon tea.

THANK YOU the UK ambassador.

Some muppets fail to heed the common sense.

It is only a 'fact' by a minority of UN Member States and certainly not the whole EU. Wordsworth himself is being economical with the so-called 'facts'.

This whole thing about presenting it as an 'inevitability' is rubbish. That's what Hitler and others before believed.

Enough of his blackmail diplospeak.

Wordsworth said that Belgrade "did not have to solve the Kosovo question in order to become a candidate for EU membership".

...but it must recognized kosovo to become an EU ms? That is what he is saying and is clearly the UK's unofficial position, though it doesn't have the guts to say it publicly.

Wordsworth pretends to speak on behalf of the EU when he is only a representative of but the UK government. If the brits are so desperate to have Kosovo independent, then they can subsidize it just like the rest of the SFRY did for decades because it is an economic basket case. But the UK can't as they officially run out of money after this afternoon's budget which will devastate many people's lives. They won't have any money left to sponsor their foreign adventures.

Wordsworth sounded desperate about Kosovo's status now. He just talked about it on June 5th as reported by B92. In that earlier report he tried to sound threatening by linking Serbia's EU entry to Kosovo recognition. Notice that he has now somewhat backtracked when his implied threats earlier got him nowhere!

What a guy! He is a realist.

“Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,” the British envoy in Serbia told daily Blic.
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Frustration frustration. Sounds like someone is having a tantrum.

Truth sometimes hurts mr Jeremic but accept reality better sooner than later so Kosovo and Serbia can benefit EU integrations.
(Oso, 22 June 2010 10:49)

So then Georgia has to give up on Ossetia and Abkhazia to become EU member?

The dear old ambassador seems to appear more often on the daily news than "eastenders" does on BBC1.

He speaks like a blue-blooded Englander who still believes that his country rules the waves not realizing it did so by waiving the rules.Fair play and third country rights never entered into equation.

Having bended international law in order to suit their own political agendas mr Wordsworth is telling Serbia to accept the partition of its territory, thus legitimitizing the West's blunder,for the sake of some future membership of a bankrupt club called EU.

One can clearly see the whole process of kosovo recognitions has come to a standstill and the West needs Serbia's help to rekindle it.

My own answer to mr ambassador will be that Serbia cannot trade its sovereignty for some future membership with a bankrupt club called EU.

My own answer to mr ambassador will be that Serbia cannot trade its sovereignty for some future membership with a bankrupt club called EU.
(Leonidas, 22 June 2010 14:38) but how come your country greece did then?are you people more clever than serbs or what?

"I am afraid leaders in Belgrade and Pristina do not understand that if they want to move ahead on the European path, it is not important how many countries support you, but whether there is consensus in the EU or not. In other words, you need all EU countries on your side. To stop you or to slow you down, just one member state is sufficient," the diplomat noted."

No further comment.
(JohnC., 22 June 2010 16:14)

Eeeeeeeeexactly. This is what I have been saying all along. Since Serbs in general are not altogether keen on the EU (most definitely not in favour of Kosovo), this is hardly an issue for them, whilst the Kosovars would give half of their organs to get in, this is something that pertains to them especially.

All or nothing. Keine weise, as the Germans would say. If Kosovo cannot convince the five members who don't recognize it, then that's it, no EU.

The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Germany and France, as some like to think.

"Frustration frustration. Sounds like someone is having a tantrum." (Zoran)

-- Notice the only people he seems to convince with his limited thinking are the Albanian diaspora.

"Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,” the British envoy in Serbia told daily Blic.

-- But Kosovo's sovereignty is not, and to continue pushing such claims leads the West not only to dead ends with Belgrade but to unkept promises to Pristina. Moreover, 2/3 of the world would question Kosovo's independence as fact. He can repeat the statement as many times as he likes, but it it doesn't look like a duck or walk like a duck, it ain't no duck.

Rather than thinking a "compromise" means returning Kosovo entirely to Serbia (which as much as I'd like I can't see that happening), why not consider a number of other options that addresses Pristina's indefinitely limited hold on sovereignty and gives some concessions to Belgrade by way of recognizing their continued hold on authority in the Serb municipalities. By constantly refusing any and all negotiations and continuing to hold to this ridiculous notion that Kosovo is a state equal to Serbia and other neighboring countries, Wordworth only looks like another neo-colonialist with a poor degree of rhetoric.

Eeeeeexactly! If Serbia can not convince 22 EU countries who recognized Kosovo, then that's it, no EU.
The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Spain and Cyprus, as some like to think.
(Simpatiku, 22 June 2010 17:29)
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How many times does it have to stated to you that the other 22 countries have no objection to Serbia entering the EU?
Tell me which country has said they will not because of Kosovo?
Even Germany is supporting Serbia in this.

“Kosovo’s independence is a fact, whether someone likes it or not,”

wow, great diplomacy. i had better negotiating skills in grade 2...

"By constantly refusing any and all negotiations and continuing to hold to this ridiculous notion that Kosovo is a state equal to Serbia and other neighboring countries, ..."
(Mike, 22 June 2010 16:31)

I don't know which is more ridiculous; K. as an independent state or K. as part of Serbia. However one metric of "ridiculousness" could be as follows:
Russia's single veto or US, Britain and France's veto(s), not to mention Japan and Germany who although without veto, have a lot of saying in int. affairs.
As per China, rest assure it will never veto K. independence single handed.

As per China, rest assure it will never veto K. independence single handed.
(miri, 22 June 2010 17:52)
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Sure about that?
China did something not long ago that previously was also unthinkable, presenting an oral argument in Serbia's favour at ICJ.

China wants to be a bigger influence now and this will be just one way to achieve that.
Miri, you are only hoping and looking at today's China realistically.

I can assure you there won't be a "Kosova" flag in sight. People who come from illegitimate entities can only compete under the Olympic flag (a bit like UNMIK-Kosovo). So much for Wordsworth's worthless words.
(Zoran, 23 June 2010 11:17

What a fortune teller :)

serbia must go on and forget kosovo anyway we lost kosova in 1999 so why are we still talkin nonsense...

"I am afraid leaders in Belgrade and Pristina do not understand that if they want to move ahead on the European path, it is not important how many countries support you, but whether there is consensus in the EU or not. In other words, you need all EU countries on your side. To stop you or to slow you down, just one member state is sufficient," the diplomat noted."

No further comment.
(JohnC., 22 June 2010 16:14)

Only true until the Lisbon Treaty comes into force when Enlargement becomes QMV.

Of course I will not ignore the very real possibilities that other means of blocking countries from joining will be used as a form of veto, notably if member states take a subjective view to fulfilling entry criteria even if the Commission's reports are clear. In Brussels is it fudge, fudge and fudge again.

Anyway, one should ask Wordsworth whether "Kosova" will be in the 2012 London Olympics flying their flag like all other independent states. I think we all know the answer to that.
(Zoran, 22 June 2010 19:06)

You will be suprised when Majlinda Kelmendi from Pejë/Pec will be there representing Kosova/o. Judo champ.

Frustration frustration. Sounds like someone is having a tantrum.
(Zoran, 22 June 2010 14:42)

Yeh Jeremic seems proper frustrated, just look at him repeating the same thing every week just because things aren't going his way.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=06&dd=22&nav_id=67955
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Anyway, one should ask Wordsworth whether "Kosova" will be in the 2012 London Olympics flying their flag like all other independent states. I think we all know the answer to that.
(Zoran, 22 June 2010 19:06)

Yeh well I hope Serbia enjoys competing with all them independent states and UN members at the Olympics like Puerto Rico, Hong Kong, Aruba, American Samoa, Bermuda, UK Virgin Isles, US Virgin Isles, Cook Islands and the Netherlands Antilles etc.

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I am extremely curious of your reaction Mr Ambassador when Scotland declares independence. ;)
(Milan, 22 June 2010 22:23)

Less than 20% of Scots want independence. The last two PMs were Scottish, Scotland benefits well from being part of the UK. Also the SNP couldn't even get a majority in the Scottish Parliament and they only got 6 seats in the general election. Lib-Dems and Labour are much bigger in Scotland.

All or nothing. Keine weise, as the Germans would say. If Kosovo cannot convince the five members who don't recognize it, then that's it, no EU.

The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Germany and France, as some like to think.
(Peter Sudyka, 22 June 2010 16:56)

Eeeexactly! If Serbia can not convince 22 EU members who recognize Kosovo, then that's it, no EU.
The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Spain and Cyprus, as some like to think. :)

and i agree with him, i think serbs need to wake up and smell the truth out there,, saying that 80% of serb population know that anyway.

All or nothing. Keine weise, as the Germans would say. If Kosovo cannot convince the five members who don't recognize it, then that's it, no EU.

The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Germany and France, as some like to think.
(Peter Sudyka, 22 June 2010 16:56)

Eeeeeexactly! If Serbia can not convince 22 EU countries who recognized Kosovo, then that's it, no EU.
The EU is a union, everyone's vote counts, not just Spain and Cyprus, as some like to think.

-- Notice the only people he seems to convince with his limited thinking are the Albanian diaspora.
(Mike, 22 June 2010 17:25)
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Wordsworth is obviously saying what they want to hear however detached from reality it is. He seems to be repeating the same script he received in 2008. Fortunately we have all moved on but he obviously has not.

Anyway, one should ask Wordsworth whether "Kosova" will be in the 2012 London Olympics flying their flag like all other independent states. I think we all know the answer to that.

How many times does it have to stated to you that the other 22 countries have no objection to Serbia entering the EU?
Tell me which country has said they will not because of Kosovo?
Even Germany is supporting Serbia in this.
(Peggy, 22 June 2010 23:21)

Peggy
Nobody has nothing against countries entering EU. However they have stated many times that Kosovo is not the condition for progress of Serbia toward EU and not for Serbia entering EU. They said already they do not want to inherit second Cyprus issues.
Condition is good neighbour relations and for 22 members of EU Kosovo is neighbour of Serbia.

I must admit that it is baffling to see how much news in the Serbian press contradict even within a week. Finally, some others have noticed that, too, and made an article. Read here:

EU confuses Serbian leaders who confuse Serbian people

http://waz.euobserver.com/887/30334

I can just recommend all (including B92 journalists) to read it. For the ongoing discussion I simply hint to the last paragraph:

"I am afraid leaders in Belgrade and Pristina do not understand that if they want to move ahead on the European path, it is not important how many countries support you, but whether there is consensus in the EU or not. In other words, you need all EU countries on your side. To stop you or to slow you down, just one member state is sufficient," the diplomat noted."

No further comment.

Simpatiku

I am glad we are on the same page. ;) It seems both countries have a problem.

Everything said from a UK diplomate is without surprise and expected. He said nothing that moved the process forward what-so-ever, but by some interpretations, moved it back.

It's amazing that we have democratic nations advocating that compromise is a "dead issue" for Serbia. As the albanians are obviously pleased by these terms their masters have suggested, by no means is this the end of the process. It's a setback for Serbia when democracy and terms for compromise are sabotaged by London, Paris and Washington, but make no mistake, Serbia is in this for the long haul. Are you? Time is on our side for history proves this to be the case. Tick tock tick tock.

I am extremely curious of your reaction Mr Ambassador when Scotland declares independence. ;)

You will be suprised when Majlinda Kelmendi from Pejë/Pec will be there representing Kosova/o. Judo champ.
(Kosova-USA, 22 June 2010 21:32)
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I can assure you there won't be a "Kosova" flag in sight. People who come from illegitimate entities can only compete under the Olympic flag (a bit like UNMIK-Kosovo). So much for Wordsworth's worthless words.

Statement by British Ambassador to Belgrade Stephen Wordsworth
"Kosovo independence is a fact"
That's not the true now or ever is going to be without changing
UN resolution 1244.Neither you or your Government have authority or power to change that.Kosovo borders are in Serbian hands now and will remain indefinitely

It should actually read the Ambassador for a past empire, Stephen Wordsworth said ……” Its always interesting that this man opens his mouth espousing views as if his comments matter.

It is also interesting to note that prior to this mess in Iraq and Afghanistan the country was calling itself the United Kingdom. However, since its solders began to dying for the stupidity of the US its now Great Britain – what’s great about no one know but its great.

“…..Wordsworth was also quoted as saying that none of the many EU officials he met with recently believe that “Kosovo’s government would accept returning Kosovo" under Serbia’s control”.

This means that Thaci et al are a real government – please give me a break and stop this gaga land fantasy. They live hand to mouth from the EU’s coffers and it they wont accept – lets be clear here it’s not the Albanians but the US that still thinks it rules the planet. I suppose McCrystal’s interview in Rolling Stone magazine tells you what the soldier on the frontline thinks about the Ivory tower advisers in Washington – I believe one policy advisor was referred to as a clown. The real purpose behind these statements is not to discredit Obama but that he is surrounded by dead wood that should be cleaning the White House not occupying it.

Oh yes Holbrook got a pasting and that’s because this man’s word in meaningless. McCrystal would really like someone like Dicky in negotiations with the enemy with a reputation that he does not keep his word. Karadjic has destroyed Dicky’s career completely and I have heard that Obama would like to get rid of him.

… to begin the ratification of the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) with Serbia..”

Interesting how quickly the SAA is going to be ratified considering that 6 months ago it was rhetoric like “if Kosovo is not recognised plus Mladic in the Tribunal then no ratification of SAA”. Serbia has not recognised Kosovo nor has it handed over Mladic and the SAA is going to be ratified even by Holland. Where is Doris Pack now??????????? She made several statements along this line, ha, ha, ha.

"I don't know which is more ridiculous; K. as an independent state or K. as part of Serbia." (miri)

-- Both seem pretty "ridiculous" right about now, and considering this argument has been going on for two years, I can bet we'll be here a year from now still trying to find an optimal middleground to both of these untenable situations.

"However one metric of "ridiculousness" could be as follows: Russia's single veto or US, Britain and France's veto(s), not to mention Japan and Germany who although without veto, have a lot of saying in int. affairs."

-- Well you know it only takes one veto to make or break the party and it looks like it's down to Russia or the US keeping things interesting. The rest are merely spectators. France isn't going to go out of its way if the US is playing first violin. As for Japan, when was the last time they went out of their way for Kosovo?

"As per China, rest assure it will never veto K. independence single handed."

-- Probably not, but like France they don't need to since Russia's got it.

'Scotland benefits well from being part of the UK'

Ian UK

It's a pity that England does not benefit from being part of the UK but is simply a milk cow and scapegoat for Britain's other nations.

It isn't necessary for you to tell anyone what you think, Ian UK. One can surmise it just by reading any UK Government policy statement or document on just about anything.

serbia must go on and forget kosovo anyway we lost kosova in 1999 so why are we still talkin nonsense...
(beograd, 24 June 2010 00:00)
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Can you please present yourself truthfully instead of signing with beograd when clearly you are Albanian.

Just writing KosovA gives you away. Think about it next time you want to misrepresent yourself.

Peggy - You are absolutely right. This misrepresentation by a small group of people who just happen to write in the same way, all lower case, and make the same spelling errors is really becoming boring and embarrassingly transparent.