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"Second phase against Serbian operators"

A Kosovo Albanian government agency in Priština has announced the second phase of removing Serbian mobile operators from the province.

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Sreten

pre 13 godina

Blue and gold.
You are the ones that are only using UN 1244 when it suits you.
You want to play by it?
Let's do it.
We'll remove transmitters, you revoke independence declaration.
I'm fine with that and with 1244. Are you?

blue and gold

pre 13 godina

You have to admit (to say the least) that it is not clear at all if Kosovo's laws or Serbian laws should regulate such thing? Dispute is going on at the ICJ, too.

Serbia IS allowing illegal operators on its territorry. It's Albanian cellphone operators that are operating in Kosovo and are not registered or licenced by Serbian authorities. (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
this argument is wrong for the following reasons:
Serbia still claims Kosovo is part of Serbia but what Serbia also claims is that resolution 1244 is still alive and UNMIK should be in charge. I'll repeat, Serbia claims that UNMIK should be in charge of Kosovo as it is stated in 1244. Both cell phone operators in Kosovo (i.e. Vala and Ipko) were approved for operation by the rules set by UNMIK and by UNMIK before independence was declared. Serbia's mobile provider was never approved by UNMIK. Hence why it is illegal, even if you are still claiming Kosovo to be Serbia's or if you still do not believe in Kosovo as a country.
This is why 1244 is useless nowadays because neither side is respecting it. Serbia only uses 1244 when it comes to meetings or conferences or any silly thing like that to 'defend international law' but when it comes to fully respecting 1244 by authorizing their cellphone companies in kosovo etc. they are the last ones to follow it. So you cannot play both sides...you either adhere to 1244 fully or you don't, there is no middle ground. At least the albanians have said goodbye to 1244 and have moved forward.
Sure, Serbia could, also warn illegal operators (not licensed by Serbian authorities) and then what? send an Army to dismantle and remove illegal mobile transmitters? (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
again, this is still false, per 1244 Serbia has no say in kosovo's administration. Kosovo cell phone companies were approved by UNMIK and are in conform with the law and they are not illegal even per Serbia's law because Serbia's law says UNMIK is in charge.
Where different views exist, one should simply enforce own view and impose it on the others?
Is there another way?
Why being aggressive? (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
this is not a matter of difference of opinion; the law is clear. These serbian providers were not approved by UNMIK therefore they are illegal. Unfortunately UNMIK was not able to enforce this law and remove the serbian cell phone providers. Someone has to do it, and it's up to the albanians to do the dirty job that UNMIK could not do.

Biljana

pre 13 godina

Sreten,

Don't expect logical respond on your very logical conclusion.

"Is there another way?
Why being aggressive?"

Yes, there is always another way, but I guess it is easier to use aggression instead of negotiations.

In order to ran some negotiations there must be the existence of some arguments as an explanation why something must be done.
Of course, another side will come out with contra arguments why that particular thing can not be done. There is always argument and contra argument and opposing views as you put it. Of course, you know this and this is not any lecturing to you.

However, arguments coming from the Albanian side would have been very thin when it comes to any issue conserning Province of Kosovo and Metohija and that is the reason why they rather apply mean of force as they always have. At least judging by the far and recent past that turns out to be my view.

So is with @EA and other Albanians posting over here.
What ever they say, or try to say sound as bad excuse, arguments are getting thinner and in the end no much has been left to say except support for aggression.

That is shortly answer on your question "Why being aggressive?" ;)

Let's see what will happen once they loose support from their masters, and that will happen for sure.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"Let's see it again. Ataman, it seems you are the one fighting the mills." (Mirub Jager)

-- Hmm, you seem to have conveniently overlooked the fact that the cell towers were restored by the Serbs. If they weren't, Pristina wouldn't be looking into a "second phase" in removing them again now would they?

Want to try again in identifying who's chasing windmills?

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

EA,

Most of us are waiting for you defense into what Thaci has accomplished for your people, and their communities. Facts please...

Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

Wow! Thaci is pulling out all the stops to make the Serbs feel all inclusive and make them all warm and fuzzy inside.

This will really make them integrate and feel part of the new 'Kosova' Republic where all its polar bears are really happy.

Meanwhile a flying pig wearing white wellington boots has just flown past my office window.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Neutrality means that you are not siding with one of the partners, and that’s why EULEX can’t do anything else than supporting the existing law in Kosovo..."
(cees, 24 May 2010 04:15)

But what is the exisiting law in Kosovo? It's up to UNMIK and to EULEX (as kind of an UNMIK successor) to decide, because Kosovo is under UN administration (and not under Serbian or "Kosovarian"), as we all know, but both sides don't realize.

Tymi

pre 13 godina

The story behind has not really to do with allowing or not allowing Serbian operators to work in the region or not. Since 1999 this issue was not resolved and nobody was claiming. The real issue here is to discriminate EULEX, which for my opinion deserves this. It is up to EULEX, UNMIK and Ivanovic to resolve the issue. I will due to same if somobody consider my home as illegal and pretend to resolve the issues with my neighbour. The ball is on EU because LEX is not functioning.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"Too bad the clowns in Pristina do not have the ability or the guts to interfere north of the Ibar." (Jason)

-- Propaganda? May I introduce a good friend of mine, Mr. Reality. Mr. Reality? Meet Propaganda. I'm sure you two have much to discuss :)

care

pre 13 godina

"The director of the agency in charge of telecommunications, Ekrem Hoxha, said that the agency will be 'asking' the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

Shoot first, ask later.

Sreten

pre 13 godina

To EA.

"What is wrong with that? Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law. The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society. "

I'll tell you what is wrong with that.

"That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law."

Who said that it's the Kosovo/a law that should regulate such thing?
Is it bacause you guys said so?
Okey, you've declared independence unilaterally, we know that, and number of countries recognized this declaration, but even more didn't.
And, when you look at the UN you won't see Kosovo, it's still part of Serbia.

You have to admit (to say the least) that it is not clear at all if Kosovo's laws or Serbian laws should regulate such thing? Dispute is going on at the ICJ, too.

To us, Kosovo is part of Serbia, so don't give us "Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?"

Serbia IS allowing illegal operators on its territorry. It's Albanian cellphone operators that are operating in Kosovo and are not registered or licenced by Serbian authorities.

So, now we have two opposing views.

"The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society. "

Sure, Serbia could, also warn illegal operators (not licenced by Serbian authorities) and then what? send an Army to dismantle and remove illegal mobile transmitters?

Perhaps, this would be a "common practice in democratic society" I'll give you that...

But, I would not be in favor of resolving our differences by FORCE.
Where different views exist, one should simply enforce own view and impose it on the others?
Is there another way?
Why being aggressive?

cees

pre 13 godina

I love it when people come with outings related to Don Quichote, because mostly daily they are looking into the mirror and recognize something of themselves.
The necessity of acting by the Kosovan governmental telecom agency is very clear: the Serbian communicator is unlawful, and since 1999 even under UNMIK’s competence an intruder into the legal system of Kosovo. UNMIK is acting under neutrality and therefore every unilateral action by the Serbian side is one, which compete this neutrality. It is the basic failure in Serbia’s asking for neutrality, that the country’s government thinks that neutrality levels a pro-Serbian defending of their sovereignty. Neutrality means that you are not siding with one of the partners, and that’s why EULEX can’t do anything else than supporting the existing law in Kosovo. The ICJ will give a possible direction to come out of this dilemma, but as even Caesar once knew: “Alea iacta est”, so also should know the Serbian people.

sj

pre 13 godina

Ha, ha, ha, its all wind by the Albos to divert attention to teh dreadful living conditions in Kosovo. Even teh internationals are warning the Thaci regime to behave - now that's a change from the past.

Mike

pre 13 godina

If Pristina's pathetic attempt at removing mobile service failed the first time, why on Earth are they attempting this again? Are the running out of ideas?

Here we go again indeed.

Jason

pre 13 godina

Too bad the clowns in Pristina do not have the ability or the guts to interfere north of the Ibar. I guess they just pick on Serbs in the south to divert attention away from their continual failures in the form of the "Kosova" experiment.

higherduke

pre 13 godina

What is interesting here is that the Int. Community has condemned KiM's temporary institutions on this issue. The international tide is slowly starting to turn against the Albanians and after ICJ sides against them, they will be forced to concede on more than just telecommunications.
(highduke, 23 May 2010 15:28)
I think you are falling for usual propagandized rehetoric. The international community was "concerned" about the lack of prior notice, (hence 30 days given this time) not the action itself.
Even Lamberto admitted at the UNSC that these same illegal operators had been told continually since 2003 that they were operating illegally in Kosovo. UNMIK also did the same thing in 2007-disabling the towers.

Peteko

pre 13 godina

Well, I don't see anything wrong to apply for a local license.

Kosovo is a divided economic unit (even if you don't recognize its political status).

It deserve to collect a local fee for the licenses and a local tax for their use.
Instead of playing politics, just negotiate for a low fee and move one.

If you really believe that you will get Kosovo back, then isn't this all temporary solutions in the best interest of the local Serbs?

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Congrats EA.

You have fallen directly into the snake-heads trap. You delusionalism is the only thing keeping Thaci in power. Anywhere else in Europe; He would have been canned long-ago. Name a few things that he had done to bring a sort of "lighter-weight" to "his" people.

I challenge you do defend him in a proper political-argumentative form.

I must add tho, that emotionalism will not give you any points in this matter, neither it will do anything for your people. Goodluck !

Mirub Jager

pre 13 godina

Didn't I call that Don Quixote "Donkey Hoxha" once? Pretty ugly thing what he does say and it will not succeed - but what a donkey, indeed.( Ataman, 23 May 2010 15:53)

He said the same the first time and we all witnessed removal of said antenas. Let's see it again. Ataman, it seems you are the one fighting the mills.

Naim

pre 13 godina

Ivanovic is succeeding..you should encourage your people in this case kosovar serbs to learn how to live in the state of law and regulation that is the time when you succeed and people will listen to you. if you encourage the people to resist and fight no many will do so i am afraid. the regulatory says no ilegall operators should be left reason; criminal activities using the serbian ilegall operators will not be able to be controlled by the kosovan government. serbs in these aseas been offered with free sim cheap calls in order to make it easier for them to communicate and suggest post telekom of kosova should reduce prices more in order for the serbian citizens to be able to communicate better. message to ivanovic; you may succeed in your lawless north mitrovica but you will not succeed in south, that's for sure.

Michael R

pre 13 godina

What some people at this discussion fail to acknowledge is no one is saying Serb Telcom competition is not allowed in Kosova, only that there must be a level playing field. i.e. All licenses fees to operate in Kosova must be paid in full to the Gov't of Kosova before any operation of business is permitted. This is standard business practice in both Europe and the U.S. Freeloading will simply not be tolerated!

RKS

pre 13 godina

I'm glad Telecommunications Regulatory Authority (TRA) has decided to give them a 30 day warning. They'll have to cut those towers down again and again and again. It's absolutely no problem, takes a few hours to bring down 20 hours. It takes weeks to repair them. It takes Kosovo Police (KP) hours to arrests, detain, release, and write fines to the criminals.

Let's see how long they can play this game.

EA

pre 13 godina

Here we are again.

Second phase of action against Serbian operators to begin... removing Serbian mobile operators from the "province".

What is wrong with that? Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law. The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society.

Hoxha said that the second phase “will enable a voluntary removal of antennas” and warned that RAT will remove the transmitters itself if they are not taken down by the Serbian operators.

Here we are again with the

"Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić called the action a serious violation of contemporary norms of humanity."

To me looks like a criminal/perpatrator claiming his human rights are violated at a time that he likes feel free to violate others peoples rights.

and to prove that the

"Serbian Kosovo Ministry State Secretary Oliver Ivanović said that the Kosovo government will not be successful in its intentions of removing all the Serbian mobile operators in "the province..."

So it is not about "human rights" it is about "who is really in charge of Kosovo/a".

Ivanović said that such "unilateral moves" are endangering the lives of Serb in Kosovo.

That is absolutely NOSENSE. Serbia doesn't even want to talk to Kosovo/a authority. Why should the Kosovo/a authority be bothered to talk to Serbia?

He also said that "it is an effort to take away attention from the fact that there are 350,000 unemployed persons in Kosovo and that there are no plans for solving such problems."

From this statement it is crystal clear how much Serbia "cares" about unemployment in Kosovo/a. It shows how willing Serbia is to offer employment to 350.000 Kosovo/a's residents in Serbia itself. By the way can anyone tell me what is the unemployment rate in Serbia? Do you need a visa to work in Serbia?))

and prove that the Serbian ministers are "always right" read that

“Focus is also being taken away from the corruption and the EULEX investigations of the Transport and Telecommunications Ministry,”

The Serbian minister don't want to let the judiciary to do their job but "put undue pressure" onto the national and international institutions. And we are talking about "the rule of law" here. One thing I know for certain that Limaj has made himself fully available to the prosecution like he did in the Hague. But Serbia is DESPERATE FOR HEADLINES to incriminise the Albanians and especially the Kosovo/a's government. No one should be immune from the law even Tadic and until Limaj is prove guilty he is innocent in a democratic society.

winston

pre 13 godina

Ivanovic hit it on the nose - the thugs in Pristina are constantly trying to divert attention from their failures as representatives of the Albanian population. They have done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of ordinary citizen, so they take these thug actions (forcefully removing competitors equipment and threats) to pretend they are doing something. Anyone can see through this, and these feeble attempts by the thugs in Pristina will only tarnish their image further, if that is possible. The Albanian citizens in Kosovo will not prosper at all by these criminal actions from Thaqi, his fellow thugs, and RAT (appropriate name).

Ataman

pre 13 godina

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters"

Didn't I call that Don Quixote "Donkey Hoxha" once? Pretty ugly thing what he does say and it will not succeed - but what a donkey, indeed.

BH_NYC

pre 13 godina

'He also said that it is an effort to take away attention from the fact that there are 350,000 unemployed persons in Kosovo and that there are no plans for solving such problems'

You play the main part of that problem. Removing illegal activity is the right direction towards solving this problem.

highduke

pre 13 godina

What is interesting here is that the Int. Community has condemned KiM's temporary institutions on this issue. The international tide is slowly starting to turn against the Albanians and after ICJ sides against them, they will be forced to concede on more than just telecommunications.

highduke

pre 13 godina

What is interesting here is that the Int. Community has condemned KiM's temporary institutions on this issue. The international tide is slowly starting to turn against the Albanians and after ICJ sides against them, they will be forced to concede on more than just telecommunications.

BH_NYC

pre 13 godina

'He also said that it is an effort to take away attention from the fact that there are 350,000 unemployed persons in Kosovo and that there are no plans for solving such problems'

You play the main part of that problem. Removing illegal activity is the right direction towards solving this problem.

winston

pre 13 godina

Ivanovic hit it on the nose - the thugs in Pristina are constantly trying to divert attention from their failures as representatives of the Albanian population. They have done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of ordinary citizen, so they take these thug actions (forcefully removing competitors equipment and threats) to pretend they are doing something. Anyone can see through this, and these feeble attempts by the thugs in Pristina will only tarnish their image further, if that is possible. The Albanian citizens in Kosovo will not prosper at all by these criminal actions from Thaqi, his fellow thugs, and RAT (appropriate name).

Jason

pre 13 godina

Too bad the clowns in Pristina do not have the ability or the guts to interfere north of the Ibar. I guess they just pick on Serbs in the south to divert attention away from their continual failures in the form of the "Kosova" experiment.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters"

Didn't I call that Don Quixote "Donkey Hoxha" once? Pretty ugly thing what he does say and it will not succeed - but what a donkey, indeed.

RKS

pre 13 godina

I'm glad Telecommunications Regulatory Authority (TRA) has decided to give them a 30 day warning. They'll have to cut those towers down again and again and again. It's absolutely no problem, takes a few hours to bring down 20 hours. It takes weeks to repair them. It takes Kosovo Police (KP) hours to arrests, detain, release, and write fines to the criminals.

Let's see how long they can play this game.

EA

pre 13 godina

Here we are again.

Second phase of action against Serbian operators to begin... removing Serbian mobile operators from the "province".

What is wrong with that? Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law. The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society.

Hoxha said that the second phase “will enable a voluntary removal of antennas” and warned that RAT will remove the transmitters itself if they are not taken down by the Serbian operators.

Here we are again with the

"Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić called the action a serious violation of contemporary norms of humanity."

To me looks like a criminal/perpatrator claiming his human rights are violated at a time that he likes feel free to violate others peoples rights.

and to prove that the

"Serbian Kosovo Ministry State Secretary Oliver Ivanović said that the Kosovo government will not be successful in its intentions of removing all the Serbian mobile operators in "the province..."

So it is not about "human rights" it is about "who is really in charge of Kosovo/a".

Ivanović said that such "unilateral moves" are endangering the lives of Serb in Kosovo.

That is absolutely NOSENSE. Serbia doesn't even want to talk to Kosovo/a authority. Why should the Kosovo/a authority be bothered to talk to Serbia?

He also said that "it is an effort to take away attention from the fact that there are 350,000 unemployed persons in Kosovo and that there are no plans for solving such problems."

From this statement it is crystal clear how much Serbia "cares" about unemployment in Kosovo/a. It shows how willing Serbia is to offer employment to 350.000 Kosovo/a's residents in Serbia itself. By the way can anyone tell me what is the unemployment rate in Serbia? Do you need a visa to work in Serbia?))

and prove that the Serbian ministers are "always right" read that

“Focus is also being taken away from the corruption and the EULEX investigations of the Transport and Telecommunications Ministry,”

The Serbian minister don't want to let the judiciary to do their job but "put undue pressure" onto the national and international institutions. And we are talking about "the rule of law" here. One thing I know for certain that Limaj has made himself fully available to the prosecution like he did in the Hague. But Serbia is DESPERATE FOR HEADLINES to incriminise the Albanians and especially the Kosovo/a's government. No one should be immune from the law even Tadic and until Limaj is prove guilty he is innocent in a democratic society.

Naim

pre 13 godina

Ivanovic is succeeding..you should encourage your people in this case kosovar serbs to learn how to live in the state of law and regulation that is the time when you succeed and people will listen to you. if you encourage the people to resist and fight no many will do so i am afraid. the regulatory says no ilegall operators should be left reason; criminal activities using the serbian ilegall operators will not be able to be controlled by the kosovan government. serbs in these aseas been offered with free sim cheap calls in order to make it easier for them to communicate and suggest post telekom of kosova should reduce prices more in order for the serbian citizens to be able to communicate better. message to ivanovic; you may succeed in your lawless north mitrovica but you will not succeed in south, that's for sure.

Michael R

pre 13 godina

What some people at this discussion fail to acknowledge is no one is saying Serb Telcom competition is not allowed in Kosova, only that there must be a level playing field. i.e. All licenses fees to operate in Kosova must be paid in full to the Gov't of Kosova before any operation of business is permitted. This is standard business practice in both Europe and the U.S. Freeloading will simply not be tolerated!

Mike

pre 13 godina

If Pristina's pathetic attempt at removing mobile service failed the first time, why on Earth are they attempting this again? Are the running out of ideas?

Here we go again indeed.

Mirub Jager

pre 13 godina

Didn't I call that Don Quixote "Donkey Hoxha" once? Pretty ugly thing what he does say and it will not succeed - but what a donkey, indeed.( Ataman, 23 May 2010 15:53)

He said the same the first time and we all witnessed removal of said antenas. Let's see it again. Ataman, it seems you are the one fighting the mills.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Congrats EA.

You have fallen directly into the snake-heads trap. You delusionalism is the only thing keeping Thaci in power. Anywhere else in Europe; He would have been canned long-ago. Name a few things that he had done to bring a sort of "lighter-weight" to "his" people.

I challenge you do defend him in a proper political-argumentative form.

I must add tho, that emotionalism will not give you any points in this matter, neither it will do anything for your people. Goodluck !

Peteko

pre 13 godina

Well, I don't see anything wrong to apply for a local license.

Kosovo is a divided economic unit (even if you don't recognize its political status).

It deserve to collect a local fee for the licenses and a local tax for their use.
Instead of playing politics, just negotiate for a low fee and move one.

If you really believe that you will get Kosovo back, then isn't this all temporary solutions in the best interest of the local Serbs?

higherduke

pre 13 godina

What is interesting here is that the Int. Community has condemned KiM's temporary institutions on this issue. The international tide is slowly starting to turn against the Albanians and after ICJ sides against them, they will be forced to concede on more than just telecommunications.
(highduke, 23 May 2010 15:28)
I think you are falling for usual propagandized rehetoric. The international community was "concerned" about the lack of prior notice, (hence 30 days given this time) not the action itself.
Even Lamberto admitted at the UNSC that these same illegal operators had been told continually since 2003 that they were operating illegally in Kosovo. UNMIK also did the same thing in 2007-disabling the towers.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"Too bad the clowns in Pristina do not have the ability or the guts to interfere north of the Ibar." (Jason)

-- Propaganda? May I introduce a good friend of mine, Mr. Reality. Mr. Reality? Meet Propaganda. I'm sure you two have much to discuss :)

Sreten

pre 13 godina

To EA.

"What is wrong with that? Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law. The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society. "

I'll tell you what is wrong with that.

"That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law."

Who said that it's the Kosovo/a law that should regulate such thing?
Is it bacause you guys said so?
Okey, you've declared independence unilaterally, we know that, and number of countries recognized this declaration, but even more didn't.
And, when you look at the UN you won't see Kosovo, it's still part of Serbia.

You have to admit (to say the least) that it is not clear at all if Kosovo's laws or Serbian laws should regulate such thing? Dispute is going on at the ICJ, too.

To us, Kosovo is part of Serbia, so don't give us "Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?"

Serbia IS allowing illegal operators on its territorry. It's Albanian cellphone operators that are operating in Kosovo and are not registered or licenced by Serbian authorities.

So, now we have two opposing views.

"The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society. "

Sure, Serbia could, also warn illegal operators (not licenced by Serbian authorities) and then what? send an Army to dismantle and remove illegal mobile transmitters?

Perhaps, this would be a "common practice in democratic society" I'll give you that...

But, I would not be in favor of resolving our differences by FORCE.
Where different views exist, one should simply enforce own view and impose it on the others?
Is there another way?
Why being aggressive?

sj

pre 13 godina

Ha, ha, ha, its all wind by the Albos to divert attention to teh dreadful living conditions in Kosovo. Even teh internationals are warning the Thaci regime to behave - now that's a change from the past.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

Wow! Thaci is pulling out all the stops to make the Serbs feel all inclusive and make them all warm and fuzzy inside.

This will really make them integrate and feel part of the new 'Kosova' Republic where all its polar bears are really happy.

Meanwhile a flying pig wearing white wellington boots has just flown past my office window.

cees

pre 13 godina

I love it when people come with outings related to Don Quichote, because mostly daily they are looking into the mirror and recognize something of themselves.
The necessity of acting by the Kosovan governmental telecom agency is very clear: the Serbian communicator is unlawful, and since 1999 even under UNMIK’s competence an intruder into the legal system of Kosovo. UNMIK is acting under neutrality and therefore every unilateral action by the Serbian side is one, which compete this neutrality. It is the basic failure in Serbia’s asking for neutrality, that the country’s government thinks that neutrality levels a pro-Serbian defending of their sovereignty. Neutrality means that you are not siding with one of the partners, and that’s why EULEX can’t do anything else than supporting the existing law in Kosovo. The ICJ will give a possible direction to come out of this dilemma, but as even Caesar once knew: “Alea iacta est”, so also should know the Serbian people.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"Let's see it again. Ataman, it seems you are the one fighting the mills." (Mirub Jager)

-- Hmm, you seem to have conveniently overlooked the fact that the cell towers were restored by the Serbs. If they weren't, Pristina wouldn't be looking into a "second phase" in removing them again now would they?

Want to try again in identifying who's chasing windmills?

Tymi

pre 13 godina

The story behind has not really to do with allowing or not allowing Serbian operators to work in the region or not. Since 1999 this issue was not resolved and nobody was claiming. The real issue here is to discriminate EULEX, which for my opinion deserves this. It is up to EULEX, UNMIK and Ivanovic to resolve the issue. I will due to same if somobody consider my home as illegal and pretend to resolve the issues with my neighbour. The ball is on EU because LEX is not functioning.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Neutrality means that you are not siding with one of the partners, and that’s why EULEX can’t do anything else than supporting the existing law in Kosovo..."
(cees, 24 May 2010 04:15)

But what is the exisiting law in Kosovo? It's up to UNMIK and to EULEX (as kind of an UNMIK successor) to decide, because Kosovo is under UN administration (and not under Serbian or "Kosovarian"), as we all know, but both sides don't realize.

care

pre 13 godina

"The director of the agency in charge of telecommunications, Ekrem Hoxha, said that the agency will be 'asking' the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

Shoot first, ask later.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

EA,

Most of us are waiting for you defense into what Thaci has accomplished for your people, and their communities. Facts please...

blue and gold

pre 13 godina

You have to admit (to say the least) that it is not clear at all if Kosovo's laws or Serbian laws should regulate such thing? Dispute is going on at the ICJ, too.

Serbia IS allowing illegal operators on its territorry. It's Albanian cellphone operators that are operating in Kosovo and are not registered or licenced by Serbian authorities. (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
this argument is wrong for the following reasons:
Serbia still claims Kosovo is part of Serbia but what Serbia also claims is that resolution 1244 is still alive and UNMIK should be in charge. I'll repeat, Serbia claims that UNMIK should be in charge of Kosovo as it is stated in 1244. Both cell phone operators in Kosovo (i.e. Vala and Ipko) were approved for operation by the rules set by UNMIK and by UNMIK before independence was declared. Serbia's mobile provider was never approved by UNMIK. Hence why it is illegal, even if you are still claiming Kosovo to be Serbia's or if you still do not believe in Kosovo as a country.
This is why 1244 is useless nowadays because neither side is respecting it. Serbia only uses 1244 when it comes to meetings or conferences or any silly thing like that to 'defend international law' but when it comes to fully respecting 1244 by authorizing their cellphone companies in kosovo etc. they are the last ones to follow it. So you cannot play both sides...you either adhere to 1244 fully or you don't, there is no middle ground. At least the albanians have said goodbye to 1244 and have moved forward.
Sure, Serbia could, also warn illegal operators (not licensed by Serbian authorities) and then what? send an Army to dismantle and remove illegal mobile transmitters? (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
again, this is still false, per 1244 Serbia has no say in kosovo's administration. Kosovo cell phone companies were approved by UNMIK and are in conform with the law and they are not illegal even per Serbia's law because Serbia's law says UNMIK is in charge.
Where different views exist, one should simply enforce own view and impose it on the others?
Is there another way?
Why being aggressive? (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
this is not a matter of difference of opinion; the law is clear. These serbian providers were not approved by UNMIK therefore they are illegal. Unfortunately UNMIK was not able to enforce this law and remove the serbian cell phone providers. Someone has to do it, and it's up to the albanians to do the dirty job that UNMIK could not do.

Biljana

pre 13 godina

Sreten,

Don't expect logical respond on your very logical conclusion.

"Is there another way?
Why being aggressive?"

Yes, there is always another way, but I guess it is easier to use aggression instead of negotiations.

In order to ran some negotiations there must be the existence of some arguments as an explanation why something must be done.
Of course, another side will come out with contra arguments why that particular thing can not be done. There is always argument and contra argument and opposing views as you put it. Of course, you know this and this is not any lecturing to you.

However, arguments coming from the Albanian side would have been very thin when it comes to any issue conserning Province of Kosovo and Metohija and that is the reason why they rather apply mean of force as they always have. At least judging by the far and recent past that turns out to be my view.

So is with @EA and other Albanians posting over here.
What ever they say, or try to say sound as bad excuse, arguments are getting thinner and in the end no much has been left to say except support for aggression.

That is shortly answer on your question "Why being aggressive?" ;)

Let's see what will happen once they loose support from their masters, and that will happen for sure.

Sreten

pre 13 godina

Blue and gold.
You are the ones that are only using UN 1244 when it suits you.
You want to play by it?
Let's do it.
We'll remove transmitters, you revoke independence declaration.
I'm fine with that and with 1244. Are you?

Ataman

pre 13 godina

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters"

Didn't I call that Don Quixote "Donkey Hoxha" once? Pretty ugly thing what he does say and it will not succeed - but what a donkey, indeed.

highduke

pre 13 godina

What is interesting here is that the Int. Community has condemned KiM's temporary institutions on this issue. The international tide is slowly starting to turn against the Albanians and after ICJ sides against them, they will be forced to concede on more than just telecommunications.

winston

pre 13 godina

Ivanovic hit it on the nose - the thugs in Pristina are constantly trying to divert attention from their failures as representatives of the Albanian population. They have done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of ordinary citizen, so they take these thug actions (forcefully removing competitors equipment and threats) to pretend they are doing something. Anyone can see through this, and these feeble attempts by the thugs in Pristina will only tarnish their image further, if that is possible. The Albanian citizens in Kosovo will not prosper at all by these criminal actions from Thaqi, his fellow thugs, and RAT (appropriate name).

EA

pre 13 godina

Here we are again.

Second phase of action against Serbian operators to begin... removing Serbian mobile operators from the "province".

What is wrong with that? Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law. The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society.

Hoxha said that the second phase “will enable a voluntary removal of antennas” and warned that RAT will remove the transmitters itself if they are not taken down by the Serbian operators.

Here we are again with the

"Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić called the action a serious violation of contemporary norms of humanity."

To me looks like a criminal/perpatrator claiming his human rights are violated at a time that he likes feel free to violate others peoples rights.

and to prove that the

"Serbian Kosovo Ministry State Secretary Oliver Ivanović said that the Kosovo government will not be successful in its intentions of removing all the Serbian mobile operators in "the province..."

So it is not about "human rights" it is about "who is really in charge of Kosovo/a".

Ivanović said that such "unilateral moves" are endangering the lives of Serb in Kosovo.

That is absolutely NOSENSE. Serbia doesn't even want to talk to Kosovo/a authority. Why should the Kosovo/a authority be bothered to talk to Serbia?

He also said that "it is an effort to take away attention from the fact that there are 350,000 unemployed persons in Kosovo and that there are no plans for solving such problems."

From this statement it is crystal clear how much Serbia "cares" about unemployment in Kosovo/a. It shows how willing Serbia is to offer employment to 350.000 Kosovo/a's residents in Serbia itself. By the way can anyone tell me what is the unemployment rate in Serbia? Do you need a visa to work in Serbia?))

and prove that the Serbian ministers are "always right" read that

“Focus is also being taken away from the corruption and the EULEX investigations of the Transport and Telecommunications Ministry,”

The Serbian minister don't want to let the judiciary to do their job but "put undue pressure" onto the national and international institutions. And we are talking about "the rule of law" here. One thing I know for certain that Limaj has made himself fully available to the prosecution like he did in the Hague. But Serbia is DESPERATE FOR HEADLINES to incriminise the Albanians and especially the Kosovo/a's government. No one should be immune from the law even Tadic and until Limaj is prove guilty he is innocent in a democratic society.

BH_NYC

pre 13 godina

'He also said that it is an effort to take away attention from the fact that there are 350,000 unemployed persons in Kosovo and that there are no plans for solving such problems'

You play the main part of that problem. Removing illegal activity is the right direction towards solving this problem.

RKS

pre 13 godina

I'm glad Telecommunications Regulatory Authority (TRA) has decided to give them a 30 day warning. They'll have to cut those towers down again and again and again. It's absolutely no problem, takes a few hours to bring down 20 hours. It takes weeks to repair them. It takes Kosovo Police (KP) hours to arrests, detain, release, and write fines to the criminals.

Let's see how long they can play this game.

Michael R

pre 13 godina

What some people at this discussion fail to acknowledge is no one is saying Serb Telcom competition is not allowed in Kosova, only that there must be a level playing field. i.e. All licenses fees to operate in Kosova must be paid in full to the Gov't of Kosova before any operation of business is permitted. This is standard business practice in both Europe and the U.S. Freeloading will simply not be tolerated!

Jason

pre 13 godina

Too bad the clowns in Pristina do not have the ability or the guts to interfere north of the Ibar. I guess they just pick on Serbs in the south to divert attention away from their continual failures in the form of the "Kosova" experiment.

Mike

pre 13 godina

If Pristina's pathetic attempt at removing mobile service failed the first time, why on Earth are they attempting this again? Are the running out of ideas?

Here we go again indeed.

Peteko

pre 13 godina

Well, I don't see anything wrong to apply for a local license.

Kosovo is a divided economic unit (even if you don't recognize its political status).

It deserve to collect a local fee for the licenses and a local tax for their use.
Instead of playing politics, just negotiate for a low fee and move one.

If you really believe that you will get Kosovo back, then isn't this all temporary solutions in the best interest of the local Serbs?

Naim

pre 13 godina

Ivanovic is succeeding..you should encourage your people in this case kosovar serbs to learn how to live in the state of law and regulation that is the time when you succeed and people will listen to you. if you encourage the people to resist and fight no many will do so i am afraid. the regulatory says no ilegall operators should be left reason; criminal activities using the serbian ilegall operators will not be able to be controlled by the kosovan government. serbs in these aseas been offered with free sim cheap calls in order to make it easier for them to communicate and suggest post telekom of kosova should reduce prices more in order for the serbian citizens to be able to communicate better. message to ivanovic; you may succeed in your lawless north mitrovica but you will not succeed in south, that's for sure.

Mirub Jager

pre 13 godina

Didn't I call that Don Quixote "Donkey Hoxha" once? Pretty ugly thing what he does say and it will not succeed - but what a donkey, indeed.( Ataman, 23 May 2010 15:53)

He said the same the first time and we all witnessed removal of said antenas. Let's see it again. Ataman, it seems you are the one fighting the mills.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Congrats EA.

You have fallen directly into the snake-heads trap. You delusionalism is the only thing keeping Thaci in power. Anywhere else in Europe; He would have been canned long-ago. Name a few things that he had done to bring a sort of "lighter-weight" to "his" people.

I challenge you do defend him in a proper political-argumentative form.

I must add tho, that emotionalism will not give you any points in this matter, neither it will do anything for your people. Goodluck !

higherduke

pre 13 godina

What is interesting here is that the Int. Community has condemned KiM's temporary institutions on this issue. The international tide is slowly starting to turn against the Albanians and after ICJ sides against them, they will be forced to concede on more than just telecommunications.
(highduke, 23 May 2010 15:28)
I think you are falling for usual propagandized rehetoric. The international community was "concerned" about the lack of prior notice, (hence 30 days given this time) not the action itself.
Even Lamberto admitted at the UNSC that these same illegal operators had been told continually since 2003 that they were operating illegally in Kosovo. UNMIK also did the same thing in 2007-disabling the towers.

sj

pre 13 godina

Ha, ha, ha, its all wind by the Albos to divert attention to teh dreadful living conditions in Kosovo. Even teh internationals are warning the Thaci regime to behave - now that's a change from the past.

cees

pre 13 godina

I love it when people come with outings related to Don Quichote, because mostly daily they are looking into the mirror and recognize something of themselves.
The necessity of acting by the Kosovan governmental telecom agency is very clear: the Serbian communicator is unlawful, and since 1999 even under UNMIK’s competence an intruder into the legal system of Kosovo. UNMIK is acting under neutrality and therefore every unilateral action by the Serbian side is one, which compete this neutrality. It is the basic failure in Serbia’s asking for neutrality, that the country’s government thinks that neutrality levels a pro-Serbian defending of their sovereignty. Neutrality means that you are not siding with one of the partners, and that’s why EULEX can’t do anything else than supporting the existing law in Kosovo. The ICJ will give a possible direction to come out of this dilemma, but as even Caesar once knew: “Alea iacta est”, so also should know the Serbian people.

Sreten

pre 13 godina

To EA.

"What is wrong with that? Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?

"Agency Director Ekrem Hoxha said that the agency will be asking the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law. The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society. "

I'll tell you what is wrong with that.

"That is absolutely in conform with the Kosovo/a law."

Who said that it's the Kosovo/a law that should regulate such thing?
Is it bacause you guys said so?
Okey, you've declared independence unilaterally, we know that, and number of countries recognized this declaration, but even more didn't.
And, when you look at the UN you won't see Kosovo, it's still part of Serbia.

You have to admit (to say the least) that it is not clear at all if Kosovo's laws or Serbian laws should regulate such thing? Dispute is going on at the ICJ, too.

To us, Kosovo is part of Serbia, so don't give us "Would Serbia allow illegal operators let's say in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja?"

Serbia IS allowing illegal operators on its territorry. It's Albanian cellphone operators that are operating in Kosovo and are not registered or licenced by Serbian authorities.

So, now we have two opposing views.

"The perpetrators are warned of their illegal actions. That is a commont practise in a democratic society. "

Sure, Serbia could, also warn illegal operators (not licenced by Serbian authorities) and then what? send an Army to dismantle and remove illegal mobile transmitters?

Perhaps, this would be a "common practice in democratic society" I'll give you that...

But, I would not be in favor of resolving our differences by FORCE.
Where different views exist, one should simply enforce own view and impose it on the others?
Is there another way?
Why being aggressive?

Top

pre 13 godina

"Neutrality means that you are not siding with one of the partners, and that’s why EULEX can’t do anything else than supporting the existing law in Kosovo..."
(cees, 24 May 2010 04:15)

But what is the exisiting law in Kosovo? It's up to UNMIK and to EULEX (as kind of an UNMIK successor) to decide, because Kosovo is under UN administration (and not under Serbian or "Kosovarian"), as we all know, but both sides don't realize.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"Too bad the clowns in Pristina do not have the ability or the guts to interfere north of the Ibar." (Jason)

-- Propaganda? May I introduce a good friend of mine, Mr. Reality. Mr. Reality? Meet Propaganda. I'm sure you two have much to discuss :)

Niall O'Doherty

pre 13 godina

Wow! Thaci is pulling out all the stops to make the Serbs feel all inclusive and make them all warm and fuzzy inside.

This will really make them integrate and feel part of the new 'Kosova' Republic where all its polar bears are really happy.

Meanwhile a flying pig wearing white wellington boots has just flown past my office window.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"Let's see it again. Ataman, it seems you are the one fighting the mills." (Mirub Jager)

-- Hmm, you seem to have conveniently overlooked the fact that the cell towers were restored by the Serbs. If they weren't, Pristina wouldn't be looking into a "second phase" in removing them again now would they?

Want to try again in identifying who's chasing windmills?

blue and gold

pre 13 godina

You have to admit (to say the least) that it is not clear at all if Kosovo's laws or Serbian laws should regulate such thing? Dispute is going on at the ICJ, too.

Serbia IS allowing illegal operators on its territorry. It's Albanian cellphone operators that are operating in Kosovo and are not registered or licenced by Serbian authorities. (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
this argument is wrong for the following reasons:
Serbia still claims Kosovo is part of Serbia but what Serbia also claims is that resolution 1244 is still alive and UNMIK should be in charge. I'll repeat, Serbia claims that UNMIK should be in charge of Kosovo as it is stated in 1244. Both cell phone operators in Kosovo (i.e. Vala and Ipko) were approved for operation by the rules set by UNMIK and by UNMIK before independence was declared. Serbia's mobile provider was never approved by UNMIK. Hence why it is illegal, even if you are still claiming Kosovo to be Serbia's or if you still do not believe in Kosovo as a country.
This is why 1244 is useless nowadays because neither side is respecting it. Serbia only uses 1244 when it comes to meetings or conferences or any silly thing like that to 'defend international law' but when it comes to fully respecting 1244 by authorizing their cellphone companies in kosovo etc. they are the last ones to follow it. So you cannot play both sides...you either adhere to 1244 fully or you don't, there is no middle ground. At least the albanians have said goodbye to 1244 and have moved forward.
Sure, Serbia could, also warn illegal operators (not licensed by Serbian authorities) and then what? send an Army to dismantle and remove illegal mobile transmitters? (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
again, this is still false, per 1244 Serbia has no say in kosovo's administration. Kosovo cell phone companies were approved by UNMIK and are in conform with the law and they are not illegal even per Serbia's law because Serbia's law says UNMIK is in charge.
Where different views exist, one should simply enforce own view and impose it on the others?
Is there another way?
Why being aggressive? (Sreten, 24 May 2010 05:20)
this is not a matter of difference of opinion; the law is clear. These serbian providers were not approved by UNMIK therefore they are illegal. Unfortunately UNMIK was not able to enforce this law and remove the serbian cell phone providers. Someone has to do it, and it's up to the albanians to do the dirty job that UNMIK could not do.

care

pre 13 godina

"The director of the agency in charge of telecommunications, Ekrem Hoxha, said that the agency will be 'asking' the municipalities of Gračanica, Štrpce, Leposavić, Prizren and Peć to remove Serbian mobile transmitters."

Shoot first, ask later.

Tymi

pre 13 godina

The story behind has not really to do with allowing or not allowing Serbian operators to work in the region or not. Since 1999 this issue was not resolved and nobody was claiming. The real issue here is to discriminate EULEX, which for my opinion deserves this. It is up to EULEX, UNMIK and Ivanovic to resolve the issue. I will due to same if somobody consider my home as illegal and pretend to resolve the issues with my neighbour. The ball is on EU because LEX is not functioning.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

EA,

Most of us are waiting for you defense into what Thaci has accomplished for your people, and their communities. Facts please...

Sreten

pre 13 godina

Blue and gold.
You are the ones that are only using UN 1244 when it suits you.
You want to play by it?
Let's do it.
We'll remove transmitters, you revoke independence declaration.
I'm fine with that and with 1244. Are you?

Biljana

pre 13 godina

Sreten,

Don't expect logical respond on your very logical conclusion.

"Is there another way?
Why being aggressive?"

Yes, there is always another way, but I guess it is easier to use aggression instead of negotiations.

In order to ran some negotiations there must be the existence of some arguments as an explanation why something must be done.
Of course, another side will come out with contra arguments why that particular thing can not be done. There is always argument and contra argument and opposing views as you put it. Of course, you know this and this is not any lecturing to you.

However, arguments coming from the Albanian side would have been very thin when it comes to any issue conserning Province of Kosovo and Metohija and that is the reason why they rather apply mean of force as they always have. At least judging by the far and recent past that turns out to be my view.

So is with @EA and other Albanians posting over here.
What ever they say, or try to say sound as bad excuse, arguments are getting thinner and in the end no much has been left to say except support for aggression.

That is shortly answer on your question "Why being aggressive?" ;)

Let's see what will happen once they loose support from their masters, and that will happen for sure.