Girl buried alive in honor killing in Turkey

And you think Turkey is going to join the EU!!!

I am afraid such cases are frequent not only in Turkey but also in other Islamic countries.

The notion of "honour killing" is used byislamists to punish women which do not conform to the way of life in their culture and islamic faith.

Their hate for women comes from the prophets testament"
I looked into hell and i saw only women".They also use the same testament to punish women by forcing them to wear
the veil or the burka and suffer social exclusion.

It suffices to say that Western goverments are as guilty by turning a blind eye
to islamists who are obeying the laws and whims written by
primitives centuries ago and have no relevance to modern world.

What a terrible case! Poor girl and her family.

sj - You should hear some of the attitudes arriving in London among the 'new EU' communities. I am frequently shocked at some of the totally unacceptable racist statements I hear now.

Of course these attititudes unfortunately exist in the domestic community, but some new arrivals take it to a whole new level.

The irony is that multi-ethnicity is embraced by many British people (including me) but there is a very ugly flipside.

And just for the record I am speaking about many different nationalities.

if i was Mr president of Turkey, i would bury alive the girl's parents. What total beasts.
I cant believe how all of balkans were under Turkish rule.

Pyrros,
I could hardly agree more. Do Christian based laws (Let’s be honest here, the Western legal, moral, ethical systems are primarily derived from Christian laws) outweight other laws? Is a Democratically elected government better than one that isn't? Just because some countries are better than other, does that give them the right to impose their own values upon the weaker nation?
It is enormously hilarious to think that merely 100 years ago, the nations that are currently calling for freedoms of other nations' individuals to live prosperous lives, are the very nations that were integral in the slave trades. These are the same nations that ravaged and pillaged all the wealth from Africa, South America and Asia. These are the same nations that have converted small states from self sustaining countries, dedicated to their own people into factories that produce a small variety of export products.
It's funny to listen to the West's attitude, for it has been less than 100 years since women in some of their own countries had rights greater than that of property. Black, Hispanic and Native American are still very much underrepresented in the systems of control, in employment, in quality employment and standards of life in America. Yet it is America that thinks that it has the right to dictate to the rest of the world how to treat it own populations.
America, NATO, EU are not the world police. They were not given that role, nor were they asked to take it on. What they continuously try to do is implement their Western Dictatorships while disguising it as some form of Democracy, which by the way isn't necessarily the best, or appropriate political system for each and every nation. And when one further considers the broken systems of Democracy currently being implemented in these Western bastions of freedom, one has to wonder just how a so-called Democracy has allowed itself to become an electoral dictatorship as easily as it has happened.

Though I personally find what happened to be beyond reproach, it is not my place to judge neither someone else’s belief system nor their societal system.

I bet you religion is being used as a poor excuse, the family used, to justify this atrocity.
As for your comment, sj. There could be plenty of reasons for Turkey not to join the EU, but at least the authorities did not condone the act committed by the father and grandfather, so you can't rule them out for this particular reason.

Leonida,
here is where we strongly disagree!
What happens in he islamic countries IS THEIR BUSINESS.
We may condemn those actions (and i am really devastated just reading this story... a human killed by his own parents), BUT its their business. We can drop connections to them, BUT NOT FORCE them to change.

ONLY GOD is responsible for enlightening nations, not (western) violence.

Ian from Sharia town of Bradford

Please do yourself a favor and read Serge Trifkovic's books. Go search Amazon for reviews.

Once you have some more facts about who you are dealing with and the fog clears your welcome to write about matters you currently have little understanding of.

Leonida,
here is where we strongly disagree!
What happens in he islamic countries IS THEIR BUSINESS.
We may condemn those actions (and i am really devastated just reading this story... a human killed by his own parents), BUT its their business. We can drop connections to them, BUT NOT FORCE them to change.

ONLY GOD is responsible for enlightening nations, not (western) violence.
(Pyrros, 5 February 2010 18:21
Pyrros you misunderstood.I am not implying that westrn goverments should intervene by force or any other means to change the situation with regard to "honour killings".
What i mean is there a lot of
honour killings and other violent acts against women, as we speak,in Western countries.

There were a number of cases involving Turkish/Kurdish women in Germany and UK as well as involving Pakistani women.

What i meant is Western goverments should create the
necessary institutions where by those women threatened can rely upon.

There should also sent a strong message to "honour killings" perpetrators that they will be treated as common criminals.

It my fault that things have been read into this statement that I never intended and I should have been more explicit.
Where image is everything in the west, this is not a good look for Turkey or it ambitions to join the EU.
Unfortunately, multiculturism is a failure and to cover up this failure political correctness was invented. It’s not just in the UK but everywhere.
In fact going back 10 years ago I remember a British politician being honest in his comment (that’s rare for any politician) about multiculturism. He said:
1. In the UK it is a complete failure
2. The real test of this pudding will be when the money starts to run out and see “whether we have a cohesive society”.

A very sad and terrible event and nothing to do with the modern turkey that I know for more than 15 years!
Whether it belongs to EU is another question but it is by far more advanced than roumania, bulgaria or the baltic states, let alone the new one knocking at the door!

Leonida,
sorry to misinterpret you!

And you think Turkey is going to join the EU!!!
(sj, 5 February 2010 13:01)

It is not rare for honour killings to take place in the UK unfortunately, I'm from a city called Bradford and honour killings are frequently in the news. It is very sad that this sort disgusting evil takes place, however does that mean the UK shouldn't be in the EU?

You have basically said that Turkey shouldn't join the EU because of the actions of a very small minority. Thankfully not everyone doesn't think and judge on your level.

Leonida,
here is where we strongly disagree!
What happens in he islamic countries IS THEIR BUSINESS.
We may condemn those actions (and i am really devastated just reading this story... a human killed by his own parents), BUT its their business. We can drop connections to them, BUT NOT FORCE them to change.

ONLY GOD is responsible for enlightening nations, not (western) violence.

if i was Mr president of Turkey, i would bury alive the girl's parents. What total beasts.
I cant believe how all of balkans were under Turkish rule.

I bet you religion is being used as a poor excuse, the family used, to justify this atrocity.
As for your comment, sj. There could be plenty of reasons for Turkey not to join the EU, but at least the authorities did not condone the act committed by the father and grandfather, so you can't rule them out for this particular reason.

And you think Turkey is going to join the EU!!!

Pyrros,
I could hardly agree more. Do Christian based laws (Let’s be honest here, the Western legal, moral, ethical systems are primarily derived from Christian laws) outweight other laws? Is a Democratically elected government better than one that isn't? Just because some countries are better than other, does that give them the right to impose their own values upon the weaker nation?
It is enormously hilarious to think that merely 100 years ago, the nations that are currently calling for freedoms of other nations' individuals to live prosperous lives, are the very nations that were integral in the slave trades. These are the same nations that ravaged and pillaged all the wealth from Africa, South America and Asia. These are the same nations that have converted small states from self sustaining countries, dedicated to their own people into factories that produce a small variety of export products.
It's funny to listen to the West's attitude, for it has been less than 100 years since women in some of their own countries had rights greater than that of property. Black, Hispanic and Native American are still very much underrepresented in the systems of control, in employment, in quality employment and standards of life in America. Yet it is America that thinks that it has the right to dictate to the rest of the world how to treat it own populations.
America, NATO, EU are not the world police. They were not given that role, nor were they asked to take it on. What they continuously try to do is implement their Western Dictatorships while disguising it as some form of Democracy, which by the way isn't necessarily the best, or appropriate political system for each and every nation. And when one further considers the broken systems of Democracy currently being implemented in these Western bastions of freedom, one has to wonder just how a so-called Democracy has allowed itself to become an electoral dictatorship as easily as it has happened.

Though I personally find what happened to be beyond reproach, it is not my place to judge neither someone else’s belief system nor their societal system.

And you think Turkey is going to join the EU!!!
(sj, 5 February 2010 13:01)

It is not rare for honour killings to take place in the UK unfortunately, I'm from a city called Bradford and honour killings are frequently in the news. It is very sad that this sort disgusting evil takes place, however does that mean the UK shouldn't be in the EU?

You have basically said that Turkey shouldn't join the EU because of the actions of a very small minority. Thankfully not everyone doesn't think and judge on your level.

I am afraid such cases are frequent not only in Turkey but also in other Islamic countries.

The notion of "honour killing" is used byislamists to punish women which do not conform to the way of life in their culture and islamic faith.

Their hate for women comes from the prophets testament"
I looked into hell and i saw only women".They also use the same testament to punish women by forcing them to wear
the veil or the burka and suffer social exclusion.

It suffices to say that Western goverments are as guilty by turning a blind eye
to islamists who are obeying the laws and whims written by
primitives centuries ago and have no relevance to modern world.

What a terrible case! Poor girl and her family.

sj - You should hear some of the attitudes arriving in London among the 'new EU' communities. I am frequently shocked at some of the totally unacceptable racist statements I hear now.

Of course these attititudes unfortunately exist in the domestic community, but some new arrivals take it to a whole new level.

The irony is that multi-ethnicity is embraced by many British people (including me) but there is a very ugly flipside.

And just for the record I am speaking about many different nationalities.

Leonida,
here is where we strongly disagree!
What happens in he islamic countries IS THEIR BUSINESS.
We may condemn those actions (and i am really devastated just reading this story... a human killed by his own parents), BUT its their business. We can drop connections to them, BUT NOT FORCE them to change.

ONLY GOD is responsible for enlightening nations, not (western) violence.
(Pyrros, 5 February 2010 18:21
Pyrros you misunderstood.I am not implying that westrn goverments should intervene by force or any other means to change the situation with regard to "honour killings".
What i mean is there a lot of
honour killings and other violent acts against women, as we speak,in Western countries.

There were a number of cases involving Turkish/Kurdish women in Germany and UK as well as involving Pakistani women.

What i meant is Western goverments should create the
necessary institutions where by those women threatened can rely upon.

There should also sent a strong message to "honour killings" perpetrators that they will be treated as common criminals.

A very sad and terrible event and nothing to do with the modern turkey that I know for more than 15 years!
Whether it belongs to EU is another question but it is by far more advanced than roumania, bulgaria or the baltic states, let alone the new one knocking at the door!

Ian from Sharia town of Bradford

Please do yourself a favor and read Serge Trifkovic's books. Go search Amazon for reviews.

Once you have some more facts about who you are dealing with and the fog clears your welcome to write about matters you currently have little understanding of.

Leonida,
sorry to misinterpret you!

It my fault that things have been read into this statement that I never intended and I should have been more explicit.
Where image is everything in the west, this is not a good look for Turkey or it ambitions to join the EU.
Unfortunately, multiculturism is a failure and to cover up this failure political correctness was invented. It’s not just in the UK but everywhere.
In fact going back 10 years ago I remember a British politician being honest in his comment (that’s rare for any politician) about multiculturism. He said:
1. In the UK it is a complete failure
2. The real test of this pudding will be when the money starts to run out and see “whether we have a cohesive society”.