"Parliament must adopt Srebrenica resolution"

Tadić said that the policies of recognizing the suffering of others and respecting the victims of others can gain credibility on the international scene for the way in which national politics are led.
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It's time for everyone involved in these conflicts to apologise to each other. Selective apologies will not go down well while every side committed crimes - this includes NATO, the US, UK, Germany, ethnic Albanians, Bosnian Muslims, Croatians, Serbians and the rest.

Tadic´s regime is rushing faster and faster towards their western masters demands, yesterday €U & the aggression pact NATO, now one of NATO´s high scored propaganda numbers. No matter what, Srebrenica was a carefully sat trap and blinded by rage of NATO & Oric mass-killing of serbians earlier on, the arme walked right into it, but.

"French general Morillon, who commanded the UN force there, charges: "On the night of the Orthodox Christmas, the holy night of January 1993, Nasser Oric led raids on Serb villages. . . . There were heads cut off, abominable massacres committed by the forces of Nasser Oric in all the neighboring villages."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2110

There has never been any reason at all to accept Pentagon & NATO´s versions of events and blatant aggression against their victims, be it in Palestine (by proxy)Iraq Afghanistan and certainly not the Balkans.

This man has no shame.

I believe the Parliament should adopt a resolution stating that it will issue a statement condemning 'the Srebrenica crimes', once a thorough independent investigation has been carried out regarding all events leading up to and surrounding the so called massacre.
There are far too many anomalies and even falsehoods concerning Srebrenica.
There is a good deal of information being held back by the US,UK and other European governments which needs to be put into the public domain.
The sad thing is that few politician and NATO officials wil have the guts to tell the truth.The truth will surface eventually so
I feel that they should remember the old slogan; 'A stitch in time saves nine.'

MB,Ireland

Just when you think he has shamed Serbian people enough already.... come these ridicuouls statements! Tadic it's time for you to step down, you did not, nor do you now, have majority of citizens supporting you.

I believe the crime Tadic is referring to are Oric's murder of innocent Serb civilians and the Hague's crime of releasing Oric after only a two year sentence

Mr. Tadic, Serbia’s parliament must adopt Srebrenica (and I would add, condemning of the atrocities committed by Serbian side in all ex-YU) Resolution not as an obligation of Serbia to the Hague Tribunal, but as a human and natural reasonable act, so it would support genuinely reconciliation among the people who have suffered so much. So don’t hesitate to say it wide-openly, don’t try to color with the demagogy what you are forced to do as an obligation. You should be proud to be the first Serbian official to take such a step, don’t worry about the radicals, they’re only relicts, they can’t do no harm to anyone anymore. So step forward plainly, you are the victorious, just don’t be ashamed, because you’re doing the right way.

And who put this "resolution" together??? And for what purpose??? And what exactly does this "resolution" state??? Tadic expects the Serbian Parliament to adopt a "resolution" which condems only the Serbs for alleged atrocities which the "real stories" and facts behind which have been cleverly hidden by Serbia's enemies. Why not wait until ALL facts are completely unveiled, then make reconciliatory gestures. The West wants Serbia to prematurely admit to Srebrenica atrocities without all the facts.....because "facts" sometimes get in the way of agendas. And why is the President of Serbia rushing to blame his own people for Srebrenica- is it perhaps because he must answer to others, rather than to his own people???

There he goes again. Tadic, please explain to me when Bosnian Muslims apologized to Serbs for Naser Oric's massacres of Serbian civilians, or when the Croats apologized for Jasenovac or Operation Storm?? Au-contraire! Operation Storm is a national holiday in Croatia! They celeberate the genocide of the Serbian population there. And you want to APOLOGIZE to these people??
Please, just keep quiet, you don't speak for me or the Serbian people.

As long as its understood that this is a petty formality & that RS & all occupied Serb lands will have our support with independence, then the declaration isnt so bad. I hope that mention is made of the real number of victims and that genocide cant take place in one tiny area to POWs & that its treated as a massacre.

From another site:
"Serbian President said that already apologized to the citizens of Croatia, and Bosniaks and Albanians for crimes that Serbian name did some members of the Serbian people."

He apologized to the Albanians? I would like to read how an apology for massacring 12,000 people, burning down 150,000 houses, all the infrastructure and expelling 1 million people sounds. All done by the STATE, not "some people."

No 12 year old girl, or woman, or child was killed at Srebrenica only men (and teenagers) of fighting age.

However, that being said, what happened at Srebrenica was very clearly a crime (Although, I personally strongly do NOT believe it to be the commonly understood definition of genocide).

Those people were murdered without trial for the crimes committed by Oric. That is simply wrong and immoral and anyone who supports that is simply a monster.

Tadic is absolutely correct in that we as a people need to acknowledge that this is not proper wartime conduct.

We would not support a single one of our soldiers\volunteers being executed without a fair trial regardless of the charges against him\her.

We need truth and reconciliation, we need for everything to be out in the open and discussed honestly. We need to know what happened to our victims too.

This is the first move tadic has made that i could even tolerate. i will ignore all of his side comments about who why and where, and focus on the move itself, which is long, long overdue. it is about friggin time.

now this move does not in any way get him off the hot seat with: their continuing destabilization of bosnia and propping up of demagogue dodik; continued destabilization and campaign of war by every means but... with the people of Kosovo/a; an absolute unwillingness to cooperate meaningfully w/ the hague in mladic's arrest/extradition (i could care less what serge b says or does not say); the refusal to go after so-called lesser-level "alleged" war criminals, freely roaming the streets of blgd and banja luka, prijedor etc.; and the utter refusal of blgd officials to locate and open "old" mass graves of ethnic albanians on it's actual territory... the list is endless.

but in this ONE particular move i will say that it is a step forward, and let's say "pragmatic."

ciao!

roberto
frisco

(aRta, 10 January 2010 20:07
Go and ask NATO for an apology for they killed 10,000 Albanians in Kosovo – ask Ehud Olmert about that one, he knows.
Go and ask NATO for an apology for the destruction of nearly 120,000 structures in Kosovo – they bombed without care and hiting anything and everything they thought hid Serb troops.
Go and ask your KLA for an apology for the mess in Kosovo. What do you think that the KLA were going to go on a rampage and the Serbia would not send in troops. Ask the Americans what they did during the LA riots of 1992 – “4,000 soldiers and marines arrived from Fort Ord and Camp Pendleton to suppress the crowds and restore order”. What do you think would have happened if order was not restored quickly? The army would have been told to use deadly force.

We could spend the next ten years (or thousand years) investigating, arguing the "facts", accusing, apologizing, weighing, judging and drawing conclusions on the wall, which is all a way of obscuring the only thing we need NOW, which is love, forgiveness and FORGETTING THE PAST ENTIRELY and moving forward from WHAT IS, NOT WHAT WAS, because the past is gone. Period.

All of us should be spending our time wrapping our minds (and hearts) around the long-held truth and healing power of forgive and forget.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE, AND EITHER BE THE WAY OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

Regarding Tadic's proposal for a resolution--let them do it! It's entirely harmless, and they, like all people, will only benefit from learning from their mistakes. And if they want to be the first to walk along that glorious path, more power to them!

I don't understand Tadic, what has he got to do with with Bosnia?? If anyone is to "adopt Srebrenica resolution it would be Bosnia/Republika Srpska.
Tadic using Republika Srpska when required, pass resolution so it looks good in front of US/EU.
I hope he gets the boot at the next elections but probably won't because Serbs from Serbia are deluded with thinking that EU union will bring them wealth.
You will just end up like poor Greece, debts double that of their GDP and on the brink of bankruptcy and getting kicked out of EU!
EU is only good for France and Germany!

Matthew the ICTY and the ICJ know what the definition of genocide is and they have unanimously stated that the war crimes the Bosnian Serbs committed in Srebrenica were in fact acts of genocide. The Genocide occurred and has been recognized by the world, now it is time for Serbia to accept that ruling and to mark July 11 as Srebrenica Genocide Remembrance Day. I think Tadic made a positive first step but he needs to continue pushing this issue until it passes through parliament.

Matthew the ICTY and the ICJ know what the definition of genocide is and they have unanimously stated that the war crimes the Bosnian Serbs committed in Srebrenica were in fact acts of genocide.
(JusticeForPeace, 11 January 2010 01:03)

this is not true. icty did say that the srebrenica massacre was a genocide, icj did not have a separate investigation in the matter since the conclusion of the icty was not challenged by serbia at the icj trial. it did conclude that there is no proof that there was an attempt to exterminate bosnian muslims as a group in the whole of bosnia and it also cleared serbia of genocide charges, so there is a contradiction between the findings of these 2 courts.

having said that, what happened at srebrenica was a horrible crime and needs to be condemned. i don't understand people who are mentioning oric and crimes of the other side. there is simply no excuse for crimes of the serbian army and all serbs need to condemn them. let others come to term with crimes of their own side. they will have to sooner or later.

They need to vote them out of office but the problem I see that the one you vote out the same ideas come back in no real change GOOD LUCK SERBIA!!

Not all Serbs seek to excuse Srebrenica. There are Serbs living within a short distance (and a short time) of Srebenica whose most telling question was "what was it all about?"

They blamed the 'mafia' attitude and greed. There was no honour in what happened in Srebrenica. Tadic is right to address this - particularly given the attitude of those who will not face up to it, who seek to deny responsibility and who seek to excuse it.

Every murder must be held accountable in its own terms. In all that happened in the war, Srebrenica stands out as an extreme example. Tadic is right - it needs to be specifically addressed in this way.

I agree with Roberto's statement that this is one important step forward for Serbia and its people. Let's hope that this is more then empty rhetoric and that Tadic actually follows up these statements with legislative procedures that will ensure that July 11 is marked as a day to remember the victims of the Srebrenica Genocide.

The legal definition of genocide is the only definition for genocide. What happened to the European Jews during the Holocaust is an extreme example of genocide but what happened in Bosnia is also clearly a case of genocide. There have been other genocides that have been committed since the Holocaust but only the Srebrenica Genocide has been officially proclaimed to be a genocide which means it is the standard by which other cases will be judged in the future. It is indeed a great ruling by the ICTY and ICJ which will allow the region to heal once the Serbs and Bosnian Serbs accept the facts and make the necessary amends. As the saying goes they can run but they can not hide from the facts. It is time for Serbia to officially apologize for the genocide, to proclaim July 11 as a national remembrance day of the Srebrenica Genocide, and to arrest and extradite Mladic (the man most responsible for the genocide) so that justice can be served. I sincerely hope that Tadic puts pressure on the Serbian parliament to fulfill its moral and legal obligations.

Tadić said that the policies of recognizing the suffering of others and respecting the victims of others can gain credibility on the international scene for the way in which national politics are led.

i think this sums it up, really. adopting a srebrenica resolution would open a way for serbia to put pressure on others to condemn their own crimes and clean up their own back yard (except for nato, unfortunately, they are just too powerful and are committing more crimes as we speak). serbia can't do this as long as it doesn't not distance itself from crimes that resulted from policies of the milosevic regime. nationalists are not sophisticated enough to understand this. all crimes need to be condemned, but you can't complain about others as long as you don't distance yourself from crimes of your own side.

so, it's not just a moral obligation, there are political advantages that people should not opverlook.

"Matthew the ICTY and the ICJ know what the definition of genocide is…(JusticeForPeace, 11 January 2010 01:03) "
You are speaking about the "legal" definition while I am speaking of Lemkin's defintion (they guy who actually coined the term), the one that is in common usage (ie what happened to the Jews). I very clearly stated that.

Mr. Tadic, Serbia’s parliament must adopt Srebrenica (and I would add, condemning of the atrocities committed by Serbian side in all ex-YU) Resolution not as an obligation of Serbia to the Hague Tribunal, but as a human and natural reasonable act, so it would support genuinely reconciliation among the people who have suffered so much. So don’t hesitate to say it wide-openly, don’t try to color with the demagogy what you are forced to do as an obligation. You should be proud to be the first Serbian official to take such a step, don’t worry about the radicals, they’re only relicts, they can’t do no harm to anyone anymore. So step forward plainly, you are the victorious, just don’t be ashamed, because you’re doing the right way.

Just when you think he has shamed Serbian people enough already.... come these ridicuouls statements! Tadic it's time for you to step down, you did not, nor do you now, have majority of citizens supporting you.

Tadic´s regime is rushing faster and faster towards their western masters demands, yesterday €U & the aggression pact NATO, now one of NATO´s high scored propaganda numbers. No matter what, Srebrenica was a carefully sat trap and blinded by rage of NATO & Oric mass-killing of serbians earlier on, the arme walked right into it, but.

"French general Morillon, who commanded the UN force there, charges: "On the night of the Orthodox Christmas, the holy night of January 1993, Nasser Oric led raids on Serb villages. . . . There were heads cut off, abominable massacres committed by the forces of Nasser Oric in all the neighboring villages."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2110

There has never been any reason at all to accept Pentagon & NATO´s versions of events and blatant aggression against their victims, be it in Palestine (by proxy)Iraq Afghanistan and certainly not the Balkans.

This is the first move tadic has made that i could even tolerate. i will ignore all of his side comments about who why and where, and focus on the move itself, which is long, long overdue. it is about friggin time.

now this move does not in any way get him off the hot seat with: their continuing destabilization of bosnia and propping up of demagogue dodik; continued destabilization and campaign of war by every means but... with the people of Kosovo/a; an absolute unwillingness to cooperate meaningfully w/ the hague in mladic's arrest/extradition (i could care less what serge b says or does not say); the refusal to go after so-called lesser-level "alleged" war criminals, freely roaming the streets of blgd and banja luka, prijedor etc.; and the utter refusal of blgd officials to locate and open "old" mass graves of ethnic albanians on it's actual territory... the list is endless.

but in this ONE particular move i will say that it is a step forward, and let's say "pragmatic."

ciao!

roberto
frisco

This man has no shame.

From another site:
"Serbian President said that already apologized to the citizens of Croatia, and Bosniaks and Albanians for crimes that Serbian name did some members of the Serbian people."

He apologized to the Albanians? I would like to read how an apology for massacring 12,000 people, burning down 150,000 houses, all the infrastructure and expelling 1 million people sounds. All done by the STATE, not "some people."

And who put this "resolution" together??? And for what purpose??? And what exactly does this "resolution" state??? Tadic expects the Serbian Parliament to adopt a "resolution" which condems only the Serbs for alleged atrocities which the "real stories" and facts behind which have been cleverly hidden by Serbia's enemies. Why not wait until ALL facts are completely unveiled, then make reconciliatory gestures. The West wants Serbia to prematurely admit to Srebrenica atrocities without all the facts.....because "facts" sometimes get in the way of agendas. And why is the President of Serbia rushing to blame his own people for Srebrenica- is it perhaps because he must answer to others, rather than to his own people???

I believe the Parliament should adopt a resolution stating that it will issue a statement condemning 'the Srebrenica crimes', once a thorough independent investigation has been carried out regarding all events leading up to and surrounding the so called massacre.
There are far too many anomalies and even falsehoods concerning Srebrenica.
There is a good deal of information being held back by the US,UK and other European governments which needs to be put into the public domain.
The sad thing is that few politician and NATO officials wil have the guts to tell the truth.The truth will surface eventually so
I feel that they should remember the old slogan; 'A stitch in time saves nine.'

MB,Ireland

As long as its understood that this is a petty formality & that RS & all occupied Serb lands will have our support with independence, then the declaration isnt so bad. I hope that mention is made of the real number of victims and that genocide cant take place in one tiny area to POWs & that its treated as a massacre.

I believe the crime Tadic is referring to are Oric's murder of innocent Serb civilians and the Hague's crime of releasing Oric after only a two year sentence

There he goes again. Tadic, please explain to me when Bosnian Muslims apologized to Serbs for Naser Oric's massacres of Serbian civilians, or when the Croats apologized for Jasenovac or Operation Storm?? Au-contraire! Operation Storm is a national holiday in Croatia! They celeberate the genocide of the Serbian population there. And you want to APOLOGIZE to these people??
Please, just keep quiet, you don't speak for me or the Serbian people.

Tadić said that the policies of recognizing the suffering of others and respecting the victims of others can gain credibility on the international scene for the way in which national politics are led.
--
It's time for everyone involved in these conflicts to apologise to each other. Selective apologies will not go down well while every side committed crimes - this includes NATO, the US, UK, Germany, ethnic Albanians, Bosnian Muslims, Croatians, Serbians and the rest.

No 12 year old girl, or woman, or child was killed at Srebrenica only men (and teenagers) of fighting age.

However, that being said, what happened at Srebrenica was very clearly a crime (Although, I personally strongly do NOT believe it to be the commonly understood definition of genocide).

Those people were murdered without trial for the crimes committed by Oric. That is simply wrong and immoral and anyone who supports that is simply a monster.

Tadic is absolutely correct in that we as a people need to acknowledge that this is not proper wartime conduct.

We would not support a single one of our soldiers\volunteers being executed without a fair trial regardless of the charges against him\her.

We need truth and reconciliation, we need for everything to be out in the open and discussed honestly. We need to know what happened to our victims too.

They need to vote them out of office but the problem I see that the one you vote out the same ideas come back in no real change GOOD LUCK SERBIA!!

Matthew the ICTY and the ICJ know what the definition of genocide is and they have unanimously stated that the war crimes the Bosnian Serbs committed in Srebrenica were in fact acts of genocide. The Genocide occurred and has been recognized by the world, now it is time for Serbia to accept that ruling and to mark July 11 as Srebrenica Genocide Remembrance Day. I think Tadic made a positive first step but he needs to continue pushing this issue until it passes through parliament.

We could spend the next ten years (or thousand years) investigating, arguing the "facts", accusing, apologizing, weighing, judging and drawing conclusions on the wall, which is all a way of obscuring the only thing we need NOW, which is love, forgiveness and FORGETTING THE PAST ENTIRELY and moving forward from WHAT IS, NOT WHAT WAS, because the past is gone. Period.

All of us should be spending our time wrapping our minds (and hearts) around the long-held truth and healing power of forgive and forget.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE, AND EITHER BE THE WAY OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!

Regarding Tadic's proposal for a resolution--let them do it! It's entirely harmless, and they, like all people, will only benefit from learning from their mistakes. And if they want to be the first to walk along that glorious path, more power to them!

I don't understand Tadic, what has he got to do with with Bosnia?? If anyone is to "adopt Srebrenica resolution it would be Bosnia/Republika Srpska.
Tadic using Republika Srpska when required, pass resolution so it looks good in front of US/EU.
I hope he gets the boot at the next elections but probably won't because Serbs from Serbia are deluded with thinking that EU union will bring them wealth.
You will just end up like poor Greece, debts double that of their GDP and on the brink of bankruptcy and getting kicked out of EU!
EU is only good for France and Germany!

(aRta, 10 January 2010 20:07
Go and ask NATO for an apology for they killed 10,000 Albanians in Kosovo – ask Ehud Olmert about that one, he knows.
Go and ask NATO for an apology for the destruction of nearly 120,000 structures in Kosovo – they bombed without care and hiting anything and everything they thought hid Serb troops.
Go and ask your KLA for an apology for the mess in Kosovo. What do you think that the KLA were going to go on a rampage and the Serbia would not send in troops. Ask the Americans what they did during the LA riots of 1992 – “4,000 soldiers and marines arrived from Fort Ord and Camp Pendleton to suppress the crowds and restore order”. What do you think would have happened if order was not restored quickly? The army would have been told to use deadly force.

I agree with Roberto's statement that this is one important step forward for Serbia and its people. Let's hope that this is more then empty rhetoric and that Tadic actually follows up these statements with legislative procedures that will ensure that July 11 is marked as a day to remember the victims of the Srebrenica Genocide.

Not all Serbs seek to excuse Srebrenica. There are Serbs living within a short distance (and a short time) of Srebenica whose most telling question was "what was it all about?"

They blamed the 'mafia' attitude and greed. There was no honour in what happened in Srebrenica. Tadic is right to address this - particularly given the attitude of those who will not face up to it, who seek to deny responsibility and who seek to excuse it.

Every murder must be held accountable in its own terms. In all that happened in the war, Srebrenica stands out as an extreme example. Tadic is right - it needs to be specifically addressed in this way.

Tadić said that the policies of recognizing the suffering of others and respecting the victims of others can gain credibility on the international scene for the way in which national politics are led.

i think this sums it up, really. adopting a srebrenica resolution would open a way for serbia to put pressure on others to condemn their own crimes and clean up their own back yard (except for nato, unfortunately, they are just too powerful and are committing more crimes as we speak). serbia can't do this as long as it doesn't not distance itself from crimes that resulted from policies of the milosevic regime. nationalists are not sophisticated enough to understand this. all crimes need to be condemned, but you can't complain about others as long as you don't distance yourself from crimes of your own side.

so, it's not just a moral obligation, there are political advantages that people should not opverlook.

Matthew the ICTY and the ICJ know what the definition of genocide is and they have unanimously stated that the war crimes the Bosnian Serbs committed in Srebrenica were in fact acts of genocide.
(JusticeForPeace, 11 January 2010 01:03)

this is not true. icty did say that the srebrenica massacre was a genocide, icj did not have a separate investigation in the matter since the conclusion of the icty was not challenged by serbia at the icj trial. it did conclude that there is no proof that there was an attempt to exterminate bosnian muslims as a group in the whole of bosnia and it also cleared serbia of genocide charges, so there is a contradiction between the findings of these 2 courts.

having said that, what happened at srebrenica was a horrible crime and needs to be condemned. i don't understand people who are mentioning oric and crimes of the other side. there is simply no excuse for crimes of the serbian army and all serbs need to condemn them. let others come to term with crimes of their own side. they will have to sooner or later.

"Matthew the ICTY and the ICJ know what the definition of genocide is…(JusticeForPeace, 11 January 2010 01:03) "
You are speaking about the "legal" definition while I am speaking of Lemkin's defintion (they guy who actually coined the term), the one that is in common usage (ie what happened to the Jews). I very clearly stated that.

The legal definition of genocide is the only definition for genocide. What happened to the European Jews during the Holocaust is an extreme example of genocide but what happened in Bosnia is also clearly a case of genocide. There have been other genocides that have been committed since the Holocaust but only the Srebrenica Genocide has been officially proclaimed to be a genocide which means it is the standard by which other cases will be judged in the future. It is indeed a great ruling by the ICTY and ICJ which will allow the region to heal once the Serbs and Bosnian Serbs accept the facts and make the necessary amends. As the saying goes they can run but they can not hide from the facts. It is time for Serbia to officially apologize for the genocide, to proclaim July 11 as a national remembrance day of the Srebrenica Genocide, and to arrest and extradite Mladic (the man most responsible for the genocide) so that justice can be served. I sincerely hope that Tadic puts pressure on the Serbian parliament to fulfill its moral and legal obligations.