Zagreb: NATO logo morphs into swastika

HAHAHA - they are even denying it? Still glorifying their nazi past, very touching.

> At one point, the NATO logo, which was used as the background, started turning into a swastika, but the general was apparently oblivious to what was happening, as were most of those present in the room, says Jutarnji List.

An inspired piece of hacking on someone's part - very funny ;) But you have got to wonder about that audience..

Pretty ingenious if you ask me, but one must wonder whether this marketing gimmick was to condemn NATO to Croatian audiences, or sell it?

Don't worry, AF, Croatia will emerge from its ultra chauvinist present, like it did from its nazi past. It will take a few more generations, after the current bigots pass, but it will slowly happen. Do your part to help, by encouraging fellow croatians to admit their nazi atrocities.

have you noticed how all Croatian media hides it? The news popped on jutarnji.hr homepage as a huge scandal last night, and it was quickly removed for some reason. vecernji.hr and index.hr don't even have this news as far as i can see. so... is there something B92 can do to show the world what kind of incompetent parasites croatian people pay?

anyhow, this was no hack or anything. just an ordinary animated gif that some incompetent idiot from croatian army found on google images. and since that moron uses IE7, the animated gid did not run animated, but only showed the first frame. the entire thing was caused by incompetence, not a hack or anything like that.

btw, I'm from croatia and really don't like to be called a nazi. sorry, but there really is no nazi stuff going on here, and these comments are pure hatred for whatever reason.

Davor do not be put off by the tone of some comments.
Sadly most Croats that visit this site are of the nationalist variety and hardly ever criticise their country, instead blaming Serbia or the EU for all their problems.

So return often here and show the other side to Croatia that I know exists.

How in the world can this be hacking? You mean to tell me that the military official didn't practice his presentation beforehand? Who wouldn't do that? If he were practicing, he would have caught this so-called virus. If someone else in his staff made the presentation, wouldn't have that person caught it? So, either this was deliberate or this guys is a complete moron to present in front of a dignified audience without checking the presentation beforehand.

davor, do you listen to thompson much? Why not come clean like more and more croats are doing by just admitting and being proud of their views that genocide on the serbs should be fullfilled.

Brilliant job by some hacker! The NATO symbol morphing into a swastika, brilliant.
You know what they say, 'if the shoe fits......'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-muEj_E0PY

"Still glorifying their nazi past, very touching.
(Ratko, 18 October 2009 15:23)"
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Better to have a nazi past than to be locked in a closed-off ultra-chauvinist present with no prospect of emerging from it.

No, Bob. The NATO committed vicious murder in the Balkans. It didn't need to kill innocent people with rockets launched from the sky to eradicate a dictator. But that is America's favorite tactic - shock and awe! Remember what they did to the poor people of Baghdad? The least the NATO could do is change its name. It has nothing to do with the North Atlantic anymore. How about USMC - The US Military Crusade? That's what poor US marines are used for today.

This may represent the mentality of some - but it does not represent the reality of NATO.

NATO was part of an intervention to stop vicious murder in the Balkans.

Their IT system must have some really bad security to allow a "hacker" to get in, find the appropriate PowerPoint file and then replace the background with the animated GIF just before the presentation. Sounds a bit elaborate to me...

bganon I agree with you strange: Sadly most Serbs that visit this site are of the nationalist variety and hardly ever criticize their country, instead blaming everyone else or the man on the moon for all their problems. Some wise cracker turning the NATO symbol in to a swastika what inside info do they have. Is it a omen of things to come stand by some time fictitiousness turns in to reality. Remember this is Europe how many times has it had tyrannical ruler why should it be different in the not so distant future.

Bob,

Please spare us the trite about NATO, we all know the agendas. That vassal organization went to the Balkans to do finish off the dirty work for the "Foreign" politicians and powers who stirred the pot and created the mess in the first place. Had the pot not been stirred, there wouldn't have been so much bloodshed, and things would have been more velvet.

Yes, Bob.
And Axis Powers in WW2 were also here for the same reasons, and supporting exactly the same forces in the Balkans.

hahaha...can't stop laughing. this funny accident could not find better venue to happen and we all know why.
Meanings and coincidences have sometimes very strange ways of coming to light.

Well, if the animation were being accompanied by the speaker uttering something along the lines of: "Remember how we did it the last time around? Well, this alliance, too, offers us...", then I don't see why it would have been deemed scandalous.

Bob the point about NATO intervention and membership for me is that it is essentially killing machine.

The peacenik in me does not like or support that. Nor can I ever excuse the attacks on civilians (whichever nationality) and the cover up of 'collateral damage'. Lets not forget that an environmental catastrophe was caused as well, particularly in vojvodina.

The broader point is that what is NATO's purpose anyway, now that the cold war is gone?

Perhaps your argument is that Serbia can gain something from NATO membership. Well, am not sure about that. I will admit that some sectors of the economy potentially could benefit. For example in Croatia there is a very good chance that NATO countries naval fleet based around the Balkans will be serviced by Croatian companies - thats big money, for those companies at least.

Lenard surely you should be defending extreme Serbian nationalists as well, after all you are both pathologically anti EU, you both would accuse your presidents of being some kind of communists - when they are in fact both nationalists. Mesic's record speaks for itself and no amount of right wing criticism of Mesic in Croatia can take away the fact that he was an ardent Croatian nationalist uncompromisingly supporting Croatian independence. As for Tadic his family background is clear, as are his policies - which are not exactly left wing.

If you are to criticise Serbian nationalists (just as you take every opportunity to condemn Serbian policy on Bosnia but not a whisper of condemnation from you about Herceg Bosna, the criminals Boban and Covic or even Tompson, what is he a good patriot??!), surely then you are guilty of the same charge?

Thats why I would welcome somebody normal from Croatia who does not have such a right wing outlook.

Bob,

The point or purpose of western intervention in Kosovo was not on humanitarian grounds regardless of how many times you may wish that had happened. These were cold-hearted political decisions that related to having a military base in Kosovo. Milosevic was only an excuse and the western public opinion is lead through the media which is controlled by governments, even in democracies.

The Kosovo Liberation Army and the CIA were working together to bring about civil unrest with the promise of an internationally recognised state for the Albanians. It had nothing to do with the fear of another Bosnia.

If there is such a thing as high morale ground in the west then why didn’t it intervene in Darfur or Burma?

You also have to remember that it was the western media that vilified the Serbs in 1990s, but it covers very little involving deaths from friendly fire on innocent civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan and has even lost count of the number of US killed in both conflicts, which I imagine in your eyes is an honourable war. The same compliant ‘free press’ does not show coffins containing US soldiers dead arriving back home for burial.

War is dreadful and there is no such thing as an honourable conflict. US troops have committed war crimes in both countries and the vast majority has been swept under the carpet. When on occasions something did appear in the media the only members of the military to be charged were the corporals and privates not the officers. Remember Abu Grahraib.

Once again public opinion is lead by Governments and not by the people on matters of national interests. If you don’t agree with the party line you get ignored, why do you think US had Timothy McVey or the Uni Bomber.

Slobodan Milosevic was a highly intelligent man that knew more about international opinion and politics than all of the current US politicians rolled up together. However, 10 million people cannot fight the world on their own. Had Russia fulfilled its obligations then by repaying $2 billion it owed Serbia with the latest military equipment NATO would not exist today. Read up a gentleman called Strobe Talbot.

Anti-NATO is an excuse for not facing up to the bad things that were done - particularly in Bosnia. Victimizing civilians on that scale is not honourable warfare and not something western public opinion was able to stomach for long.

However, I am sure that posters will continue in their anti-NATO line instead of facing up to the realities of what happened.

The west could not stand for a repeat of what happened in Bosnia to happen again in Kosovo. That is why they intervened.

Basically Milosevic messed up by not having a clue about international opinion.

Many nationalists still make the same mistake.

I think it’s called a Freudian slip on the Croat part!

"Yes, Bob.
And Axis Powers in WW2 were also here for the same reasons, and supporting exactly the same forces in the Balkans."
(Radical, 19 October 2009 07:01)

Yeah, as well as in support of your state, as signed by Dragisa Cvetkovic, who Serbia rehabilitated last year. So, I don't know why are you trying to make other sides look bad based on the WWII "rap" sheet, because you certainly have one of them. You have one for then and certainly one for wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Perhaps you should reexamine your own past, distant and near.

Bob, you're absolutely right.

P.S. I'm not Albanian nor Kosovar, but Bosnian-American.

Hi SJ, concerning your analysis about Milosevic - if you think his ability to keep himself in power so long was a sign of IQ - that is probably true.

But, as for the bases - yes the US will make bases when some idiot gives them the justification for intervention.

Milosevic played to the local audience well - but got it badly wrong internationally.

Bagdon You are well off the point. I was not talking at all about NATO membership - and all military organisations are designed to be killing machines when called into action.

This article is about trying to represent NATO as nazi by morphing into a swastika.

That is a message a lot of posters like because it fits their insular political viewpoint - but the truth is that the real nastiness was vicious and messy civil war and NATO intervened to stop a repeat.

I do not agree with much of the politics - particularly western support for the UDI in Kosovo - but I detest the vicious murders that provoked intervention much more. If the killing starts again I am sure that NATO will be up to the job of stopping it again.

"Still glorifying their nazi past, very touching.
(Ratko, 18 October 2009 15:23)"
---

Better to have a nazi past than to be locked in a closed-off ultra-chauvinist present with no prospect of emerging from it.

This may represent the mentality of some - but it does not represent the reality of NATO.

NATO was part of an intervention to stop vicious murder in the Balkans.

HAHAHA - they are even denying it? Still glorifying their nazi past, very touching.

have you noticed how all Croatian media hides it? The news popped on jutarnji.hr homepage as a huge scandal last night, and it was quickly removed for some reason. vecernji.hr and index.hr don't even have this news as far as i can see. so... is there something B92 can do to show the world what kind of incompetent parasites croatian people pay?

anyhow, this was no hack or anything. just an ordinary animated gif that some incompetent idiot from croatian army found on google images. and since that moron uses IE7, the animated gid did not run animated, but only showed the first frame. the entire thing was caused by incompetence, not a hack or anything like that.

btw, I'm from croatia and really don't like to be called a nazi. sorry, but there really is no nazi stuff going on here, and these comments are pure hatred for whatever reason.

davor, do you listen to thompson much? Why not come clean like more and more croats are doing by just admitting and being proud of their views that genocide on the serbs should be fullfilled.

bganon I agree with you strange: Sadly most Serbs that visit this site are of the nationalist variety and hardly ever criticize their country, instead blaming everyone else or the man on the moon for all their problems. Some wise cracker turning the NATO symbol in to a swastika what inside info do they have. Is it a omen of things to come stand by some time fictitiousness turns in to reality. Remember this is Europe how many times has it had tyrannical ruler why should it be different in the not so distant future.

Don't worry, AF, Croatia will emerge from its ultra chauvinist present, like it did from its nazi past. It will take a few more generations, after the current bigots pass, but it will slowly happen. Do your part to help, by encouraging fellow croatians to admit their nazi atrocities.

Pretty ingenious if you ask me, but one must wonder whether this marketing gimmick was to condemn NATO to Croatian audiences, or sell it?

Davor do not be put off by the tone of some comments.
Sadly most Croats that visit this site are of the nationalist variety and hardly ever criticise their country, instead blaming Serbia or the EU for all their problems.

So return often here and show the other side to Croatia that I know exists.

Anti-NATO is an excuse for not facing up to the bad things that were done - particularly in Bosnia. Victimizing civilians on that scale is not honourable warfare and not something western public opinion was able to stomach for long.

However, I am sure that posters will continue in their anti-NATO line instead of facing up to the realities of what happened.

The west could not stand for a repeat of what happened in Bosnia to happen again in Kosovo. That is why they intervened.

Basically Milosevic messed up by not having a clue about international opinion.

Many nationalists still make the same mistake.

Bagdon You are well off the point. I was not talking at all about NATO membership - and all military organisations are designed to be killing machines when called into action.

This article is about trying to represent NATO as nazi by morphing into a swastika.

That is a message a lot of posters like because it fits their insular political viewpoint - but the truth is that the real nastiness was vicious and messy civil war and NATO intervened to stop a repeat.

I do not agree with much of the politics - particularly western support for the UDI in Kosovo - but I detest the vicious murders that provoked intervention much more. If the killing starts again I am sure that NATO will be up to the job of stopping it again.

How in the world can this be hacking? You mean to tell me that the military official didn't practice his presentation beforehand? Who wouldn't do that? If he were practicing, he would have caught this so-called virus. If someone else in his staff made the presentation, wouldn't have that person caught it? So, either this was deliberate or this guys is a complete moron to present in front of a dignified audience without checking the presentation beforehand.

Brilliant job by some hacker! The NATO symbol morphing into a swastika, brilliant.
You know what they say, 'if the shoe fits......'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-muEj_E0PY

No, Bob. The NATO committed vicious murder in the Balkans. It didn't need to kill innocent people with rockets launched from the sky to eradicate a dictator. But that is America's favorite tactic - shock and awe! Remember what they did to the poor people of Baghdad? The least the NATO could do is change its name. It has nothing to do with the North Atlantic anymore. How about USMC - The US Military Crusade? That's what poor US marines are used for today.

"Yes, Bob.
And Axis Powers in WW2 were also here for the same reasons, and supporting exactly the same forces in the Balkans."
(Radical, 19 October 2009 07:01)

Yeah, as well as in support of your state, as signed by Dragisa Cvetkovic, who Serbia rehabilitated last year. So, I don't know why are you trying to make other sides look bad based on the WWII "rap" sheet, because you certainly have one of them. You have one for then and certainly one for wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Perhaps you should reexamine your own past, distant and near.

Bob, you're absolutely right.

P.S. I'm not Albanian nor Kosovar, but Bosnian-American.

Bob,

Please spare us the trite about NATO, we all know the agendas. That vassal organization went to the Balkans to do finish off the dirty work for the "Foreign" politicians and powers who stirred the pot and created the mess in the first place. Had the pot not been stirred, there wouldn't have been so much bloodshed, and things would have been more velvet.

> At one point, the NATO logo, which was used as the background, started turning into a swastika, but the general was apparently oblivious to what was happening, as were most of those present in the room, says Jutarnji List.

An inspired piece of hacking on someone's part - very funny ;) But you have got to wonder about that audience..

I think it’s called a Freudian slip on the Croat part!

Well, if the animation were being accompanied by the speaker uttering something along the lines of: "Remember how we did it the last time around? Well, this alliance, too, offers us...", then I don't see why it would have been deemed scandalous.

hahaha...can't stop laughing. this funny accident could not find better venue to happen and we all know why.
Meanings and coincidences have sometimes very strange ways of coming to light.

Bob,

The point or purpose of western intervention in Kosovo was not on humanitarian grounds regardless of how many times you may wish that had happened. These were cold-hearted political decisions that related to having a military base in Kosovo. Milosevic was only an excuse and the western public opinion is lead through the media which is controlled by governments, even in democracies.

The Kosovo Liberation Army and the CIA were working together to bring about civil unrest with the promise of an internationally recognised state for the Albanians. It had nothing to do with the fear of another Bosnia.

If there is such a thing as high morale ground in the west then why didn’t it intervene in Darfur or Burma?

You also have to remember that it was the western media that vilified the Serbs in 1990s, but it covers very little involving deaths from friendly fire on innocent civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan and has even lost count of the number of US killed in both conflicts, which I imagine in your eyes is an honourable war. The same compliant ‘free press’ does not show coffins containing US soldiers dead arriving back home for burial.

War is dreadful and there is no such thing as an honourable conflict. US troops have committed war crimes in both countries and the vast majority has been swept under the carpet. When on occasions something did appear in the media the only members of the military to be charged were the corporals and privates not the officers. Remember Abu Grahraib.

Once again public opinion is lead by Governments and not by the people on matters of national interests. If you don’t agree with the party line you get ignored, why do you think US had Timothy McVey or the Uni Bomber.

Slobodan Milosevic was a highly intelligent man that knew more about international opinion and politics than all of the current US politicians rolled up together. However, 10 million people cannot fight the world on their own. Had Russia fulfilled its obligations then by repaying $2 billion it owed Serbia with the latest military equipment NATO would not exist today. Read up a gentleman called Strobe Talbot.

Their IT system must have some really bad security to allow a "hacker" to get in, find the appropriate PowerPoint file and then replace the background with the animated GIF just before the presentation. Sounds a bit elaborate to me...

Yes, Bob.
And Axis Powers in WW2 were also here for the same reasons, and supporting exactly the same forces in the Balkans.

Bob the point about NATO intervention and membership for me is that it is essentially killing machine.

The peacenik in me does not like or support that. Nor can I ever excuse the attacks on civilians (whichever nationality) and the cover up of 'collateral damage'. Lets not forget that an environmental catastrophe was caused as well, particularly in vojvodina.

The broader point is that what is NATO's purpose anyway, now that the cold war is gone?

Perhaps your argument is that Serbia can gain something from NATO membership. Well, am not sure about that. I will admit that some sectors of the economy potentially could benefit. For example in Croatia there is a very good chance that NATO countries naval fleet based around the Balkans will be serviced by Croatian companies - thats big money, for those companies at least.

Lenard surely you should be defending extreme Serbian nationalists as well, after all you are both pathologically anti EU, you both would accuse your presidents of being some kind of communists - when they are in fact both nationalists. Mesic's record speaks for itself and no amount of right wing criticism of Mesic in Croatia can take away the fact that he was an ardent Croatian nationalist uncompromisingly supporting Croatian independence. As for Tadic his family background is clear, as are his policies - which are not exactly left wing.

If you are to criticise Serbian nationalists (just as you take every opportunity to condemn Serbian policy on Bosnia but not a whisper of condemnation from you about Herceg Bosna, the criminals Boban and Covic or even Tompson, what is he a good patriot??!), surely then you are guilty of the same charge?

Thats why I would welcome somebody normal from Croatia who does not have such a right wing outlook.

Hi SJ, concerning your analysis about Milosevic - if you think his ability to keep himself in power so long was a sign of IQ - that is probably true.

But, as for the bases - yes the US will make bases when some idiot gives them the justification for intervention.

Milosevic played to the local audience well - but got it badly wrong internationally.