The Americans faced a tiny fraction of the Wehrmacht compared to the Soviets. In fact, the US did little to bring down Nazi Germany and would have probably been beaten in a one-on-one.
"Oh and more USSR troops died than British, US, and French troops combined."
Goran,
The smart thing is not to get killed but to accomplish the military objectives with as little casualties as possible like the Americans did. How many men did the US lose in Europe? About 55,000?
The aim is not to become a dead hero but to destroy the ennemy and survive!!!
Serbia needs a rest from politics. Street names should be changed to non-political and non-controversial names. I suggest the names of great writers and thinkers (Serbian and foreign) should replace those of countries and politicians. Pariska, Fransuka and George Washington Street should be the first to go.
i'm all for it as long as they name a few streets after Count Miloradovic or Sava Vladislavic and so on...
(stariVujadin, 28 September 2009 23:37)
Count Miloradovic absolutely deserves it. His poor soul is probably restless lately because his country of origin became a shame due "Duke" Milo. (What a perversity is for Milo to have such name as "Milo"!). I would give him an other name, but B92 will censor it.
In any case, technically Count Miloradovic was not "Serb" but "Crnogorac". Which of course is the same thing, unless you live from selling genuine Bulgarian cigarettes made in China.
He wants communist "heroes" to be gloried with streets in another country being renamed in their honour?
Communism killed more people than any ideology on earth!Why fascism is banned while communism is not I will never understand.
But alright, here are some suggestions: Holodomor Boulevard, Great Purge Street, Katyn Avenue, Gulag Drive... This Russian ambassador should mind his own business and not tell other countries how to name their bloody streets!!!
hahaha...why dont the russians ask of the poles to name streets after the NKVD officers that executed 10.000 poles in Kattyn and also Latvia,Estonia, Lithuania, Finland and all other countries who had the satisfaction to meet with the russian "liberators"?
Goran
actually i think that when Britain was fighting Hitler alone in 1940, Russia had signed a pact with Hitler and was invading countries same as Hitler.
Dont misunderstand me i like Russians and i like that we Greeks and Serbs have a special relationship with them and i support that, but its ridiculous to glorify soviet regime brutality or believe that they liberated you because they loved you. I am so glad that my country wasen't liberated by these soviet steeling, murdering and raping "liberators"
For all Albanians here i will have to remind you that you co-operated with Italians and Germans to a large extend so its better you stay out WWII issues it is not to your interests.
Kosovo is Serbia!
I am so sick to death of all of these anti-russian commentators. you have some nerve, considering the fact that 6,000,000 Russian soldiers died during WWII. If it wasn't for the Russians, the Axis powers would be ruling us now. The Russians annihilated the Axis forces. The Russians were the first ones to break through the German lines and destroy Germany. The Americans waltzed in a short time later and proclaimed victory. By all means there should be streets bearing the names of the people who liberated us from the nazi occupiers. We owe our very existence to the USSR men who sacrificed themselves in order to free us.
And to all you albanians and other 'pro-kosova' commentors, you can sit there and complain about the brutality and crimes committed by the USSR troops, but by doing so you completely lay down that the USSR troops faught the Axis powers ALONE!
Oh and by the way, what side were the albanians on during the war? heres a hint, 21. Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Skanderbeg.
Oh and more USSR troops died than British, US, and French troops combined.
Gojko, Russia has done more for Serbian then the west.
The only western country that was ever a friend of Serbia was France. But in the 90s they've shown how much they value this and how much they value Charles de Gaulle (the biggest friend of Serbia from France).
The Americans were never our friends at least in the post-WWII world, pre-WWII they were to isol;ationist to be concerned a friend of anyone.
The Germans and Austrians, well no need to talk about them. We know what they thought of us.
The British. Well their leaders would have preferred Austria massacre all the Serbs. But their alliances with France and Russia prevented this.
Now. As regard to your statement. Russia halped us as much as it could during the early 1800s, in 1878 and it's sacrifice in defending us against Austria in WWI was great. And had Gorbachev and Yeltsin weren't so bad for Russia, the 90's would have seen a more active Russia.
Plus in what the ambassador talks of they sacrificed 15,000 troops.
Plus. It's kind of hard for Russia to help Serbia now and then when were seperating by over a thousand kilometer, with hostile or subservient states to higher powers in between.
Now. The west is not full of friends. The simple fact is Serbia look to follow Switzerland. [were too far for Russia to be of helpful use, and it's unlikely a government taking the necessary steps for it to be of use would ever win and the west is not a friend].
No Goko. We should keep control of our assets. And if you wont to be friends with the west follow South Korea which is still essentially in control of it's wealth
I am ashamed that some "Serbs" are so unthankful and don`t appreciate the great help Russia has offered us numerous times.
In 1878 Russia played a vital role in establishing Serbian independence from the Turks,in 1914 it went to war to save Serbia from Austrian aggression,in 1944 it liberated Belgrade from the Nazis only to get backstabbed by our treacherous Belgrade elite in 1948.
Millions of Russians died in part to save our a***** and this is the Thank You.
Belgrade,rename those roads IMMEDIATELY!
We finally need to know who our enemy is and who our friend is.
The Western powers are our mortal enemies,they have proven it time and again and whoever claims otherwise after 1914,1941,1999 is just sick in the brain.
We and the Russians are bound by the same slavic blood that runs through our venes,there is no stronger bond in the world than that one.
Russans are the good guys,Westerners are the bad guys,every 5 year old Serb needs to be indocrinated with that.
Everyone that spouts how supposedly Russia "never helped" us cannot be a Serb.
I don't know why Serbs are in love with Russia. They did absolutely nothing for Serbia during the Balkan wars. What an ally? Russia only uses Serbia as a chess piece. Serbia was and always will be on their own unless they continue to sell out to the US and EU.
As for renaming Serbia's streets...... go to he__!
The Soviet Invasion ensured Tito's occupaton in Serbia in 1944 and ensured the Stalinst dictatorship of Broz.It also led to the deaths of thousands of Serbs labelled class enemies by the Communists or merely eliminating royalist enemies.Can we have Krusevac renamed Keserovic the Ravna Gora commander who freed it from the Germans handed it the Russians then executed as a lackey of the occupiers by the murderous Titoist regime?
We can possibly consider renaming a few streets in Belgrade with Russian hero's names - but first, the watch that was openly stolen from my grandfather wrist in 1945, by one of these liberators, must be returned.
(svojgazda, 28 September 2009 15:16)
"The Red Army was a liberator of millions, but as an army of a regime known for massive violation of human rights, the army, too had massive problems" (from current Hungarian history book).
I think, enough said.
In addition:
1) A significant number of crimes was committed by local common criminals. They usually lured some younger and naiver Soviet soldiers, killed them in secret, stole the weapons and the uniform and abused the situation later. My dad came once under fire of these criminals - it was way after the hostilities ended. The criminals in Soviet uniform were Hungarian bandits.
2) A large part of USSR and Russian Federation has nothing to do with Russian ethnics. People who live there are significantly behind the area dominated by Russians. Troops from such areas had usually more problems. Should I say, Chechnya....
Since B92 has cut the rest of my previous post, essentially I'll finish it with the most important part.
The British ambassador sent a note of protest because of this. By thewir logic this is a sign of somekind of historical occupation of Serbia, that never happenned and are basing it on the experience of other states. A very ridicolous thing to do whether it regards Russians or Brits.
Yaroslav - Bobby Sands was a terrorist like Ceku or Thaci. When the Radicals were making that suggestion, the street was named after General Zhdanov, the Russian liberator of Belgrade. All this rather suggests that either Seselj doesn't know his history or he's an idiot.
Typical comments from the anti-Serb albanian camp as usual. I personaly would love to see some streets in Serbia named after Vladimir Putin, the man deserves it.
Team albania look up to a different group of 'heros'.
The truth about the 'liberators', send it to Konuzin:
"Against this horrific background, Stalin and his commanders condoned or even justified rape, not only against Germans but also their allies in Hungary, Romania and Croatia. When the Yugoslav Communist Milovan Djilas protested to Stalin, the dictator exploded: "Can't he understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle?"
Ambassador, you of all people should know two facts:
* This is an issue for municipalities to deal with.
** He should be aware that Russophobes in the government, who he has mentioned, would rather name the streets after the Americans and Brits who bombed Belgrade in 1944 despite Serbs having been anti-fascist (some historians alledge that the capital of fascism in the Balkans, Zagreb, was only lightly bombed because of a deal signed between the NDH and our friends the Brits).
Now. I find some of these comments made by foreign russophobes are ridicolous.
1. We weren't occupied by Russia. The USSR was essentially non-present in Yugoslavia during and after the war, especially after the 1948 split with the USSR.
2. Even if we were. Some respect would need to be paid for the 15,000 USSR troops who died fighting against fascism in Serbia.
3. Their is a difference between a Russian troop during the war and post-war occupation. Anyone who can't recognize this is the moral equivalent of a collaborater.
4. Read the article. He is specifically talking about specific individuals who died specifically in Serbia in recognized acts of bravery. He isn't proposing anything else.
5. And several times since 1999 the Radicals have proposed that the street going in front of the British embassy be renamed to honour Bobby Sands (IRA political prisoner elected to the British parliament, his realease was refusaed by Thatcher and he died in a hunger strike
We can possibly consider renaming a few streets in Belgrade with Russian hero's names - but first, the watch that was openly stolen from my grandfather wrist in 1945, by one of these liberators, must be returned.
The price you pay to have a great "democracy" like Russia be on your side..... I think we are looking into the next USSR Russia, Serbia(Kosovo not included) and i cant even guess the next country maybe Moldavia
yes of course why not, for exp.STALIN ROAD OR LENIN STREET or PUTIN RANGE PARK other wise russia will recognise kosovo independece. what a joke is the realetionship bettwen serbia and russia.
Wake up Mr. Russian Ambassador!! I think there are hell of a lot other things to be busy with for Serbia than streetnames!! Maybe it's an idea to focus on other useful things to help Serbia!
Wake up Mr. Russian Ambassador!! I think there are hell of a lot other things to be busy with for Serbia than streetnames!! Maybe it's an idea to focus on other useful things to help Serbia!
We can possibly consider renaming a few streets in Belgrade with Russian hero's names - but first, the watch that was openly stolen from my grandfather wrist in 1945, by one of these liberators, must be returned.
yes of course why not, for exp.STALIN ROAD OR LENIN STREET or PUTIN RANGE PARK other wise russia will recognise kosovo independece. what a joke is the realetionship bettwen serbia and russia.
Typical comments from the anti-Serb albanian camp as usual. I personaly would love to see some streets in Serbia named after Vladimir Putin, the man deserves it.
Team albania look up to a different group of 'heros'.
The truth about the 'liberators', send it to Konuzin:
"Against this horrific background, Stalin and his commanders condoned or even justified rape, not only against Germans but also their allies in Hungary, Romania and Croatia. When the Yugoslav Communist Milovan Djilas protested to Stalin, the dictator exploded: "Can't he understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle?"
Ambassador, you of all people should know two facts:
* This is an issue for municipalities to deal with.
** He should be aware that Russophobes in the government, who he has mentioned, would rather name the streets after the Americans and Brits who bombed Belgrade in 1944 despite Serbs having been anti-fascist (some historians alledge that the capital of fascism in the Balkans, Zagreb, was only lightly bombed because of a deal signed between the NDH and our friends the Brits).
Now. I find some of these comments made by foreign russophobes are ridicolous.
1. We weren't occupied by Russia. The USSR was essentially non-present in Yugoslavia during and after the war, especially after the 1948 split with the USSR.
2. Even if we were. Some respect would need to be paid for the 15,000 USSR troops who died fighting against fascism in Serbia.
3. Their is a difference between a Russian troop during the war and post-war occupation. Anyone who can't recognize this is the moral equivalent of a collaborater.
4. Read the article. He is specifically talking about specific individuals who died specifically in Serbia in recognized acts of bravery. He isn't proposing anything else.
5. And several times since 1999 the Radicals have proposed that the street going in front of the British embassy be renamed to honour Bobby Sands (IRA political prisoner elected to the British parliament, his realease was refusaed by Thatcher and he died in a hunger strike
The price you pay to have a great "democracy" like Russia be on your side..... I think we are looking into the next USSR Russia, Serbia(Kosovo not included) and i cant even guess the next country maybe Moldavia
Yaroslav - Bobby Sands was a terrorist like Ceku or Thaci. When the Radicals were making that suggestion, the street was named after General Zhdanov, the Russian liberator of Belgrade. All this rather suggests that either Seselj doesn't know his history or he's an idiot.
I don't know why Serbs are in love with Russia. They did absolutely nothing for Serbia during the Balkan wars. What an ally? Russia only uses Serbia as a chess piece. Serbia was and always will be on their own unless they continue to sell out to the US and EU.
As for renaming Serbia's streets...... go to he__!
I am ashamed that some "Serbs" are so unthankful and don`t appreciate the great help Russia has offered us numerous times.
In 1878 Russia played a vital role in establishing Serbian independence from the Turks,in 1914 it went to war to save Serbia from Austrian aggression,in 1944 it liberated Belgrade from the Nazis only to get backstabbed by our treacherous Belgrade elite in 1948.
Millions of Russians died in part to save our a***** and this is the Thank You.
Belgrade,rename those roads IMMEDIATELY!
We finally need to know who our enemy is and who our friend is.
The Western powers are our mortal enemies,they have proven it time and again and whoever claims otherwise after 1914,1941,1999 is just sick in the brain.
We and the Russians are bound by the same slavic blood that runs through our venes,there is no stronger bond in the world than that one.
Russans are the good guys,Westerners are the bad guys,every 5 year old Serb needs to be indocrinated with that.
Everyone that spouts how supposedly Russia "never helped" us cannot be a Serb.
I am so sick to death of all of these anti-russian commentators. you have some nerve, considering the fact that 6,000,000 Russian soldiers died during WWII. If it wasn't for the Russians, the Axis powers would be ruling us now. The Russians annihilated the Axis forces. The Russians were the first ones to break through the German lines and destroy Germany. The Americans waltzed in a short time later and proclaimed victory. By all means there should be streets bearing the names of the people who liberated us from the nazi occupiers. We owe our very existence to the USSR men who sacrificed themselves in order to free us.
And to all you albanians and other 'pro-kosova' commentors, you can sit there and complain about the brutality and crimes committed by the USSR troops, but by doing so you completely lay down that the USSR troops faught the Axis powers ALONE!
Oh and by the way, what side were the albanians on during the war? heres a hint, 21. Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Skanderbeg.
Oh and more USSR troops died than British, US, and French troops combined.
Since B92 has cut the rest of my previous post, essentially I'll finish it with the most important part.
The British ambassador sent a note of protest because of this. By thewir logic this is a sign of somekind of historical occupation of Serbia, that never happenned and are basing it on the experience of other states. A very ridicolous thing to do whether it regards Russians or Brits.
The Soviet Invasion ensured Tito's occupaton in Serbia in 1944 and ensured the Stalinst dictatorship of Broz.It also led to the deaths of thousands of Serbs labelled class enemies by the Communists or merely eliminating royalist enemies.Can we have Krusevac renamed Keserovic the Ravna Gora commander who freed it from the Germans handed it the Russians then executed as a lackey of the occupiers by the murderous Titoist regime?
Gojko, Russia has done more for Serbian then the west.
The only western country that was ever a friend of Serbia was France. But in the 90s they've shown how much they value this and how much they value Charles de Gaulle (the biggest friend of Serbia from France).
The Americans were never our friends at least in the post-WWII world, pre-WWII they were to isol;ationist to be concerned a friend of anyone.
The Germans and Austrians, well no need to talk about them. We know what they thought of us.
The British. Well their leaders would have preferred Austria massacre all the Serbs. But their alliances with France and Russia prevented this.
Now. As regard to your statement. Russia halped us as much as it could during the early 1800s, in 1878 and it's sacrifice in defending us against Austria in WWI was great. And had Gorbachev and Yeltsin weren't so bad for Russia, the 90's would have seen a more active Russia.
Plus in what the ambassador talks of they sacrificed 15,000 troops.
Plus. It's kind of hard for Russia to help Serbia now and then when were seperating by over a thousand kilometer, with hostile or subservient states to higher powers in between.
Now. The west is not full of friends. The simple fact is Serbia look to follow Switzerland. [were too far for Russia to be of helpful use, and it's unlikely a government taking the necessary steps for it to be of use would ever win and the west is not a friend].
No Goko. We should keep control of our assets. And if you wont to be friends with the west follow South Korea which is still essentially in control of it's wealth
The Americans faced a tiny fraction of the Wehrmacht compared to the Soviets. In fact, the US did little to bring down Nazi Germany and would have probably been beaten in a one-on-one.
We can possibly consider renaming a few streets in Belgrade with Russian hero's names - but first, the watch that was openly stolen from my grandfather wrist in 1945, by one of these liberators, must be returned.
(svojgazda, 28 September 2009 15:16)
"The Red Army was a liberator of millions, but as an army of a regime known for massive violation of human rights, the army, too had massive problems" (from current Hungarian history book).
I think, enough said.
In addition:
1) A significant number of crimes was committed by local common criminals. They usually lured some younger and naiver Soviet soldiers, killed them in secret, stole the weapons and the uniform and abused the situation later. My dad came once under fire of these criminals - it was way after the hostilities ended. The criminals in Soviet uniform were Hungarian bandits.
2) A large part of USSR and Russian Federation has nothing to do with Russian ethnics. People who live there are significantly behind the area dominated by Russians. Troops from such areas had usually more problems. Should I say, Chechnya....
hahaha...why dont the russians ask of the poles to name streets after the NKVD officers that executed 10.000 poles in Kattyn and also Latvia,Estonia, Lithuania, Finland and all other countries who had the satisfaction to meet with the russian "liberators"?
Goran
actually i think that when Britain was fighting Hitler alone in 1940, Russia had signed a pact with Hitler and was invading countries same as Hitler.
Dont misunderstand me i like Russians and i like that we Greeks and Serbs have a special relationship with them and i support that, but its ridiculous to glorify soviet regime brutality or believe that they liberated you because they loved you. I am so glad that my country wasen't liberated by these soviet steeling, murdering and raping "liberators"
For all Albanians here i will have to remind you that you co-operated with Italians and Germans to a large extend so its better you stay out WWII issues it is not to your interests.
Kosovo is Serbia!
He wants communist "heroes" to be gloried with streets in another country being renamed in their honour?
Communism killed more people than any ideology on earth!Why fascism is banned while communism is not I will never understand.
But alright, here are some suggestions: Holodomor Boulevard, Great Purge Street, Katyn Avenue, Gulag Drive... This Russian ambassador should mind his own business and not tell other countries how to name their bloody streets!!!
Serbia needs a rest from politics. Street names should be changed to non-political and non-controversial names. I suggest the names of great writers and thinkers (Serbian and foreign) should replace those of countries and politicians. Pariska, Fransuka and George Washington Street should be the first to go.
"Oh and more USSR troops died than British, US, and French troops combined."
Goran,
The smart thing is not to get killed but to accomplish the military objectives with as little casualties as possible like the Americans did. How many men did the US lose in Europe? About 55,000?
The aim is not to become a dead hero but to destroy the ennemy and survive!!!
i'm all for it as long as they name a few streets after Count Miloradovic or Sava Vladislavic and so on...
(stariVujadin, 28 September 2009 23:37)
Count Miloradovic absolutely deserves it. His poor soul is probably restless lately because his country of origin became a shame due "Duke" Milo. (What a perversity is for Milo to have such name as "Milo"!). I would give him an other name, but B92 will censor it.
In any case, technically Count Miloradovic was not "Serb" but "Crnogorac". Which of course is the same thing, unless you live from selling genuine Bulgarian cigarettes made in China.
yes of course why not, for exp.STALIN ROAD OR LENIN STREET or PUTIN RANGE PARK other wise russia will recognise kosovo independece. what a joke is the realetionship bettwen serbia and russia.
The price you pay to have a great "democracy" like Russia be on your side..... I think we are looking into the next USSR Russia, Serbia(Kosovo not included) and i cant even guess the next country maybe Moldavia
Typical comments from the anti-Serb albanian camp as usual. I personaly would love to see some streets in Serbia named after Vladimir Putin, the man deserves it.
Team albania look up to a different group of 'heros'.
The truth about the 'liberators', send it to Konuzin:
"Against this horrific background, Stalin and his commanders condoned or even justified rape, not only against Germans but also their allies in Hungary, Romania and Croatia. When the Yugoslav Communist Milovan Djilas protested to Stalin, the dictator exploded: "Can't he understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle?"
Ambassador, you of all people should know two facts:
* This is an issue for municipalities to deal with.
** He should be aware that Russophobes in the government, who he has mentioned, would rather name the streets after the Americans and Brits who bombed Belgrade in 1944 despite Serbs having been anti-fascist (some historians alledge that the capital of fascism in the Balkans, Zagreb, was only lightly bombed because of a deal signed between the NDH and our friends the Brits).
Now. I find some of these comments made by foreign russophobes are ridicolous.
1. We weren't occupied by Russia. The USSR was essentially non-present in Yugoslavia during and after the war, especially after the 1948 split with the USSR.
2. Even if we were. Some respect would need to be paid for the 15,000 USSR troops who died fighting against fascism in Serbia.
3. Their is a difference between a Russian troop during the war and post-war occupation. Anyone who can't recognize this is the moral equivalent of a collaborater.
4. Read the article. He is specifically talking about specific individuals who died specifically in Serbia in recognized acts of bravery. He isn't proposing anything else.
5. And several times since 1999 the Radicals have proposed that the street going in front of the British embassy be renamed to honour Bobby Sands (IRA political prisoner elected to the British parliament, his realease was refusaed by Thatcher and he died in a hunger strike
I don't know why Serbs are in love with Russia. They did absolutely nothing for Serbia during the Balkan wars. What an ally? Russia only uses Serbia as a chess piece. Serbia was and always will be on their own unless they continue to sell out to the US and EU.
As for renaming Serbia's streets...... go to he__!
We can possibly consider renaming a few streets in Belgrade with Russian hero's names - but first, the watch that was openly stolen from my grandfather wrist in 1945, by one of these liberators, must be returned.
Wake up Mr. Russian Ambassador!! I think there are hell of a lot other things to be busy with for Serbia than streetnames!! Maybe it's an idea to focus on other useful things to help Serbia!
He wants communist "heroes" to be gloried with streets in another country being renamed in their honour?
Communism killed more people than any ideology on earth!Why fascism is banned while communism is not I will never understand.
But alright, here are some suggestions: Holodomor Boulevard, Great Purge Street, Katyn Avenue, Gulag Drive... This Russian ambassador should mind his own business and not tell other countries how to name their bloody streets!!!
Yaroslav - Bobby Sands was a terrorist like Ceku or Thaci. When the Radicals were making that suggestion, the street was named after General Zhdanov, the Russian liberator of Belgrade. All this rather suggests that either Seselj doesn't know his history or he's an idiot.
We can possibly consider renaming a few streets in Belgrade with Russian hero's names - but first, the watch that was openly stolen from my grandfather wrist in 1945, by one of these liberators, must be returned.
(svojgazda, 28 September 2009 15:16)
"The Red Army was a liberator of millions, but as an army of a regime known for massive violation of human rights, the army, too had massive problems" (from current Hungarian history book).
I think, enough said.
In addition:
1) A significant number of crimes was committed by local common criminals. They usually lured some younger and naiver Soviet soldiers, killed them in secret, stole the weapons and the uniform and abused the situation later. My dad came once under fire of these criminals - it was way after the hostilities ended. The criminals in Soviet uniform were Hungarian bandits.
2) A large part of USSR and Russian Federation has nothing to do with Russian ethnics. People who live there are significantly behind the area dominated by Russians. Troops from such areas had usually more problems. Should I say, Chechnya....
"Oh and more USSR troops died than British, US, and French troops combined."
Goran,
The smart thing is not to get killed but to accomplish the military objectives with as little casualties as possible like the Americans did. How many men did the US lose in Europe? About 55,000?
The aim is not to become a dead hero but to destroy the ennemy and survive!!!
I am ashamed that some "Serbs" are so unthankful and don`t appreciate the great help Russia has offered us numerous times.
In 1878 Russia played a vital role in establishing Serbian independence from the Turks,in 1914 it went to war to save Serbia from Austrian aggression,in 1944 it liberated Belgrade from the Nazis only to get backstabbed by our treacherous Belgrade elite in 1948.
Millions of Russians died in part to save our a***** and this is the Thank You.
Belgrade,rename those roads IMMEDIATELY!
We finally need to know who our enemy is and who our friend is.
The Western powers are our mortal enemies,they have proven it time and again and whoever claims otherwise after 1914,1941,1999 is just sick in the brain.
We and the Russians are bound by the same slavic blood that runs through our venes,there is no stronger bond in the world than that one.
Russans are the good guys,Westerners are the bad guys,every 5 year old Serb needs to be indocrinated with that.
Everyone that spouts how supposedly Russia "never helped" us cannot be a Serb.
Since B92 has cut the rest of my previous post, essentially I'll finish it with the most important part.
The British ambassador sent a note of protest because of this. By thewir logic this is a sign of somekind of historical occupation of Serbia, that never happenned and are basing it on the experience of other states. A very ridicolous thing to do whether it regards Russians or Brits.
The Soviet Invasion ensured Tito's occupaton in Serbia in 1944 and ensured the Stalinst dictatorship of Broz.It also led to the deaths of thousands of Serbs labelled class enemies by the Communists or merely eliminating royalist enemies.Can we have Krusevac renamed Keserovic the Ravna Gora commander who freed it from the Germans handed it the Russians then executed as a lackey of the occupiers by the murderous Titoist regime?
Gojko, Russia has done more for Serbian then the west.
The only western country that was ever a friend of Serbia was France. But in the 90s they've shown how much they value this and how much they value Charles de Gaulle (the biggest friend of Serbia from France).
The Americans were never our friends at least in the post-WWII world, pre-WWII they were to isol;ationist to be concerned a friend of anyone.
The Germans and Austrians, well no need to talk about them. We know what they thought of us.
The British. Well their leaders would have preferred Austria massacre all the Serbs. But their alliances with France and Russia prevented this.
Now. As regard to your statement. Russia halped us as much as it could during the early 1800s, in 1878 and it's sacrifice in defending us against Austria in WWI was great. And had Gorbachev and Yeltsin weren't so bad for Russia, the 90's would have seen a more active Russia.
Plus in what the ambassador talks of they sacrificed 15,000 troops.
Plus. It's kind of hard for Russia to help Serbia now and then when were seperating by over a thousand kilometer, with hostile or subservient states to higher powers in between.
Now. The west is not full of friends. The simple fact is Serbia look to follow Switzerland. [were too far for Russia to be of helpful use, and it's unlikely a government taking the necessary steps for it to be of use would ever win and the west is not a friend].
No Goko. We should keep control of our assets. And if you wont to be friends with the west follow South Korea which is still essentially in control of it's wealth
i'm all for it as long as they name a few streets after Count Miloradovic or Sava Vladislavic and so on...
(stariVujadin, 28 September 2009 23:37)
Count Miloradovic absolutely deserves it. His poor soul is probably restless lately because his country of origin became a shame due "Duke" Milo. (What a perversity is for Milo to have such name as "Milo"!). I would give him an other name, but B92 will censor it.
In any case, technically Count Miloradovic was not "Serb" but "Crnogorac". Which of course is the same thing, unless you live from selling genuine Bulgarian cigarettes made in China.
Serbia needs a rest from politics. Street names should be changed to non-political and non-controversial names. I suggest the names of great writers and thinkers (Serbian and foreign) should replace those of countries and politicians. Pariska, Fransuka and George Washington Street should be the first to go.
I am so sick to death of all of these anti-russian commentators. you have some nerve, considering the fact that 6,000,000 Russian soldiers died during WWII. If it wasn't for the Russians, the Axis powers would be ruling us now. The Russians annihilated the Axis forces. The Russians were the first ones to break through the German lines and destroy Germany. The Americans waltzed in a short time later and proclaimed victory. By all means there should be streets bearing the names of the people who liberated us from the nazi occupiers. We owe our very existence to the USSR men who sacrificed themselves in order to free us.
And to all you albanians and other 'pro-kosova' commentors, you can sit there and complain about the brutality and crimes committed by the USSR troops, but by doing so you completely lay down that the USSR troops faught the Axis powers ALONE!
Oh and by the way, what side were the albanians on during the war? heres a hint, 21. Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Skanderbeg.
Oh and more USSR troops died than British, US, and French troops combined.
hahaha...why dont the russians ask of the poles to name streets after the NKVD officers that executed 10.000 poles in Kattyn and also Latvia,Estonia, Lithuania, Finland and all other countries who had the satisfaction to meet with the russian "liberators"?
Goran
actually i think that when Britain was fighting Hitler alone in 1940, Russia had signed a pact with Hitler and was invading countries same as Hitler.
Dont misunderstand me i like Russians and i like that we Greeks and Serbs have a special relationship with them and i support that, but its ridiculous to glorify soviet regime brutality or believe that they liberated you because they loved you. I am so glad that my country wasen't liberated by these soviet steeling, murdering and raping "liberators"
For all Albanians here i will have to remind you that you co-operated with Italians and Germans to a large extend so its better you stay out WWII issues it is not to your interests.
Kosovo is Serbia!
The Americans faced a tiny fraction of the Wehrmacht compared to the Soviets. In fact, the US did little to bring down Nazi Germany and would have probably been beaten in a one-on-one.
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