EU sees S. Ossetia elections as "illegitimate"

Like Kosovo, recognitions are not a primary matter for SO and Ab. They are both protected by a larger power and there's no one in the West that's actually willing to challenge Russia directly. Elections can be fair and transparent and the EU can call them illegitimate, just as they called the Serbian elections in Kosovo illegitimate. But it's not because it's a sham of democracy. It's because they just don't want THOSE elections to proceed. Elections in SO and Ab are no less (il)legitimate than the Albanian sponsored ones in Kosovo.

Just as illegitimate the €U considers it´s own elections not in favour to the Lisbon treaty.(if the banksters don´t like it, vote again and again until you reach the "right" result).

The anglo-american version of "democrasy" (market-dictatorship,oligachy)by force and IMF imposed on the rest of the world is not by any standard more democratic than any other, even less so.

The ailing western powers are succsessfully check-mated in the Caucasus and there are nothing they can do about it...

Kosova-USA

We are independent since 1991 and this is the 5-th Parliament elections ( + 4 Presidentials ) that we have gone though without Georgians. Our Scythian ancestors have settled on this lands way back 25 centuries i.e. before the Georgian tribes came here from Iraq. This is the 3-rd war that we launch since 1991. The first two we have won without any outside aid.

Though our main forces were concentrated outside Tshinval and it was not going to be a blitzkrieg but a guerilla long lasting war we are forever grateful to our brother Russians to help us so effectively. For centuries we took part in all Russian wars including those in the Balkans and besides our J.Stalin headed Russia during WW2. So on 08.08.08 the Russians just paid us the same coin. God bless Russia !

Like Albanians in the Serbian province the Georgians have settled on our lands in the 20-th century. We were good neighbors but each time they obtained independence ( 1920 and 1990 ) the first thing they made was war against Ossetians. We have to be independent for the time being but as soon as the situation changes we will reunion with the rest of the Ossetians. And you can do nothing about it.
During 18 years we resisted the Georgians whose population is 87 times bigger than that of ours ! But we never hided ourselves behind foreign invaders like you did ! Also I know several Ossetians who ( as Russians ) fought on the Serbian side against Bosniaks and one of them is still living in Serbia with his Serbian wife and his two kids. So no matter if Tadic sends here his embassy or not we are always on the Serbian side. Do remember this.

I am over whelmed by the amount of small minorities in Europe wanting some kind of independence. While the rest of Europe is trying to unite these groups want separation!! All these Albanian minorities in various countries want there own independence of a Albanian state.Why? Why did they leave Albania in the first reason? Looking for a better life in another country maybe? Albanian has a country so if theses Albanians in foreign lands feel so strongly about there national rights and integrity why do they not go back to Albania and help the country become a better state? Better than causing trouble in other nations which where good enough to let them in the first place for a better life. There are huge minorities groups in the USA, Canada,Australia and France and you do not see them all wanting independence!They are happy just to have a chance at a better life.
All this talk about a independent Kosovo that can only survive on foreign help until the western world gets tired of helping a nation that can not sustain itself. Albania can not help as it still can not get its act together and who knows if they ever will! Why do you think the west in Europe will not allow for Serbian passports to be issued to the Albanian Kosovo people? May be because they are tired of all the crime that comes with the new wave of Albanian immigration. Just ask the British about the problems they have with a lot of the new Albanian immigrants. All I suggest is that all the energy placed on the above issues should be directed towards a united compromise of a better life and surrounding for all people in question.

One wonders why various members of the EU bothered to send election monitors to an election the EU considers illegitimate.

Kosova-USA:
> I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story.

About as successful as elections in Kosovo I would imagine.

The Ultra-Mega-Superpower Russia which will rule the world (according some posters here) was so far only able to bring Nicaragua on her side?

Well, very "impressive"...

What happened with the big-mouth announcements that many countries will follow Russia, like Venezuala, Syria, etc. ? Seems like that the comparison between Kosovo (60 countries, including all major industries) and SO/Abkazia (1 banana republik) revealed that real power balance.

I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story. Am I right?
(Kosova-USA, 1 June 2009 13:52)

It's a very tragic story. The root of the problem is that the Communist Party's apparat was much less interested in keeping the old "union" together or make it a better union than to break it apart and trying to secure their "share" locally. Look at the tragicomical figure like Sapamurat Niyazov alias "Turkmenbashi" and at the entire Caucasian tragedy, without any comical element (except the necktie of that idiot Saakashvili, of course).

And who came as a promising change to the old "apparat" turned to be even worse.

Kosova-USA:
> I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story.

About as successful as elections in Kosovo I would imagine.
(peter, sydney, 1 June 2009 16:14)

My coment has nothing to do with elections, but stricly with recognitions.

Why do you think the west in Europe will not allow for Serbian passports to be issued to the Albanian Kosovo people?

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Because they are NOT serbian citizens, 22 out 27 EU countries recognize Kosova. If they are serb citizens why is Serbia agreeing not to issue passports????? Isn't that discrimination?

Abkhazia and South Ossetia have so far been recognized by Russia and Nicaragua.

I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story. Am I right?

only nicaragua has recognized the georgian provinces ossetia and abkhazia! you never can compare kosovo with these provinces! kosovo is a real internationally recognized state with IMF membership and soon also in the World-Bank! 60 recognitions in just one year that is better than all other ex-yu republics in the 90s this story with ossetia and abkhazia has show the world who really rules the world and this is without any doubt the great country USA whatever you like it or not!

Kosova-USA:
> My coment has nothing to do with elections, but stricly with recognitions.

You mean 'mines is bigger than yours', that sort of thing? I suspect your comment, & 'Berkeley's is more about denying the parallels between the situation in Kosovo & that in South Ossetia than about the number of recognitions.

On a related note, will draw your attention to the comment (#9) made by 'OSSETIAN' above.

Leaving aside questions of factual accuracy in both the cases of Kosovo & South Ossetia, is interesting that 'OSSETIAN' uses the same types of arguments used by those in the K-albanian camp.

ie: harking back to Scythian ancestors & Illyrian, being 'forever grateful to our brother russians', & the K-albanian sycophancy towards the US, etc.

Kind of puts the argument that Kosovo is a 'unique' case which doesn't set a precedent into it's proper context doesn't it.

ps: see 'dan-ch' has just posted a comment while I've been writing this which only goes towards proving my points - ie: sycophancy towards the US etc.. although doubt if he'll she it in quite that light ;)

Ataman

I like some of your posts but very often you try to look out more educated than you really are. So best if before writing something here you look for a reliable source. The short of it is СЛЫШАЛ ЗВОН ДА НЕ ЗНАЮ , ГДЕ ОН … In the Caucasus there are several peoples ( кабардинцы , адыги , черкесы , карачаевцы , балкарцы , ингуши ) claiming that they are of Scythian ( Alanian , Sarmatian ) origin but the official science is on our side.

If you are in a discussion mood please enter one of our forums ( www.iriston.ru ) and ask other Ossetians whatever you want. Today I won’t comment the contradictions you filled your message with but if you say that you know nothing about the Scythians I shall give you some more links to close this hole in your education. You will also be surprised to know that Saakashvili is also an Ossetian with his father still alive and speaking good Ossetian. Like J. Stalin Saak was born from his Georgian mother on December 21 …

Крепись , казак …

Our Scythian ancestors have settled on this lands way back 25 centuries
(OSSETIAN, 1 June 2009 23:28)

Sorry, Ossetian - but the ones who can claim Scythian roots are now in Carpathian basin, not in Caucasus. Ossetians are relative newcomers, speaking Indo-Iranian / Indo-European. Schythians are said to speak agglutinative language. Such language is spoken today by Turks, Hungarians, Mongolians. In the past the earliest account does belong to Sumer, but "proto-Serbs" (Sabirs from Subartu) and Volga-Bulgarians spoke agglutinative language as well.

Georgians (Sakartvellians) are native to Caucasus. There are many "alternative" theories I do not want to discuss, but Ossetian claim to be a "native" to Caucasus is really a novelty.

All this does not make Saakashvili a lesser fool. Okay, his family could live in Caucasus for maybe 8000 years in the row and maybe they were the monkeys who climbed down the tree the first. But maybe THAT particular monkey in his family tree climbed down 5 million years ago in search for better neckties to eat.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia have so far been recognized by Russia and Nicaragua.

I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story. Am I right?

The Ultra-Mega-Superpower Russia which will rule the world (according some posters here) was so far only able to bring Nicaragua on her side?

Well, very "impressive"...

What happened with the big-mouth announcements that many countries will follow Russia, like Venezuala, Syria, etc. ? Seems like that the comparison between Kosovo (60 countries, including all major industries) and SO/Abkazia (1 banana republik) revealed that real power balance.

Why do you think the west in Europe will not allow for Serbian passports to be issued to the Albanian Kosovo people?

--

Because they are NOT serbian citizens, 22 out 27 EU countries recognize Kosova. If they are serb citizens why is Serbia agreeing not to issue passports????? Isn't that discrimination?

Kosova-USA:
> I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story.

About as successful as elections in Kosovo I would imagine.
(peter, sydney, 1 June 2009 16:14)

My coment has nothing to do with elections, but stricly with recognitions.

Kosova-USA

We are independent since 1991 and this is the 5-th Parliament elections ( + 4 Presidentials ) that we have gone though without Georgians. Our Scythian ancestors have settled on this lands way back 25 centuries i.e. before the Georgian tribes came here from Iraq. This is the 3-rd war that we launch since 1991. The first two we have won without any outside aid.

Though our main forces were concentrated outside Tshinval and it was not going to be a blitzkrieg but a guerilla long lasting war we are forever grateful to our brother Russians to help us so effectively. For centuries we took part in all Russian wars including those in the Balkans and besides our J.Stalin headed Russia during WW2. So on 08.08.08 the Russians just paid us the same coin. God bless Russia !

Like Albanians in the Serbian province the Georgians have settled on our lands in the 20-th century. We were good neighbors but each time they obtained independence ( 1920 and 1990 ) the first thing they made was war against Ossetians. We have to be independent for the time being but as soon as the situation changes we will reunion with the rest of the Ossetians. And you can do nothing about it.
During 18 years we resisted the Georgians whose population is 87 times bigger than that of ours ! But we never hided ourselves behind foreign invaders like you did ! Also I know several Ossetians who ( as Russians ) fought on the Serbian side against Bosniaks and one of them is still living in Serbia with his Serbian wife and his two kids. So no matter if Tadic sends here his embassy or not we are always on the Serbian side. Do remember this.

only nicaragua has recognized the georgian provinces ossetia and abkhazia! you never can compare kosovo with these provinces! kosovo is a real internationally recognized state with IMF membership and soon also in the World-Bank! 60 recognitions in just one year that is better than all other ex-yu republics in the 90s this story with ossetia and abkhazia has show the world who really rules the world and this is without any doubt the great country USA whatever you like it or not!

Like Kosovo, recognitions are not a primary matter for SO and Ab. They are both protected by a larger power and there's no one in the West that's actually willing to challenge Russia directly. Elections can be fair and transparent and the EU can call them illegitimate, just as they called the Serbian elections in Kosovo illegitimate. But it's not because it's a sham of democracy. It's because they just don't want THOSE elections to proceed. Elections in SO and Ab are no less (il)legitimate than the Albanian sponsored ones in Kosovo.

One wonders why various members of the EU bothered to send election monitors to an election the EU considers illegitimate.

Kosova-USA:
> I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story.

About as successful as elections in Kosovo I would imagine.

Our Scythian ancestors have settled on this lands way back 25 centuries
(OSSETIAN, 1 June 2009 23:28)

Sorry, Ossetian - but the ones who can claim Scythian roots are now in Carpathian basin, not in Caucasus. Ossetians are relative newcomers, speaking Indo-Iranian / Indo-European. Schythians are said to speak agglutinative language. Such language is spoken today by Turks, Hungarians, Mongolians. In the past the earliest account does belong to Sumer, but "proto-Serbs" (Sabirs from Subartu) and Volga-Bulgarians spoke agglutinative language as well.

Georgians (Sakartvellians) are native to Caucasus. There are many "alternative" theories I do not want to discuss, but Ossetian claim to be a "native" to Caucasus is really a novelty.

All this does not make Saakashvili a lesser fool. Okay, his family could live in Caucasus for maybe 8000 years in the row and maybe they were the monkeys who climbed down the tree the first. But maybe THAT particular monkey in his family tree climbed down 5 million years ago in search for better neckties to eat.

Just as illegitimate the €U considers it´s own elections not in favour to the Lisbon treaty.(if the banksters don´t like it, vote again and again until you reach the "right" result).

The anglo-american version of "democrasy" (market-dictatorship,oligachy)by force and IMF imposed on the rest of the world is not by any standard more democratic than any other, even less so.

The ailing western powers are succsessfully check-mated in the Caucasus and there are nothing they can do about it...

I know for a fact that some of the posters on this site will call the bove a very succesfull story. Am I right?
(Kosova-USA, 1 June 2009 13:52)

It's a very tragic story. The root of the problem is that the Communist Party's apparat was much less interested in keeping the old "union" together or make it a better union than to break it apart and trying to secure their "share" locally. Look at the tragicomical figure like Sapamurat Niyazov alias "Turkmenbashi" and at the entire Caucasian tragedy, without any comical element (except the necktie of that idiot Saakashvili, of course).

And who came as a promising change to the old "apparat" turned to be even worse.

I am over whelmed by the amount of small minorities in Europe wanting some kind of independence. While the rest of Europe is trying to unite these groups want separation!! All these Albanian minorities in various countries want there own independence of a Albanian state.Why? Why did they leave Albania in the first reason? Looking for a better life in another country maybe? Albanian has a country so if theses Albanians in foreign lands feel so strongly about there national rights and integrity why do they not go back to Albania and help the country become a better state? Better than causing trouble in other nations which where good enough to let them in the first place for a better life. There are huge minorities groups in the USA, Canada,Australia and France and you do not see them all wanting independence!They are happy just to have a chance at a better life.
All this talk about a independent Kosovo that can only survive on foreign help until the western world gets tired of helping a nation that can not sustain itself. Albania can not help as it still can not get its act together and who knows if they ever will! Why do you think the west in Europe will not allow for Serbian passports to be issued to the Albanian Kosovo people? May be because they are tired of all the crime that comes with the new wave of Albanian immigration. Just ask the British about the problems they have with a lot of the new Albanian immigrants. All I suggest is that all the energy placed on the above issues should be directed towards a united compromise of a better life and surrounding for all people in question.

Kosova-USA:
> My coment has nothing to do with elections, but stricly with recognitions.

You mean 'mines is bigger than yours', that sort of thing? I suspect your comment, & 'Berkeley's is more about denying the parallels between the situation in Kosovo & that in South Ossetia than about the number of recognitions.

On a related note, will draw your attention to the comment (#9) made by 'OSSETIAN' above.

Leaving aside questions of factual accuracy in both the cases of Kosovo & South Ossetia, is interesting that 'OSSETIAN' uses the same types of arguments used by those in the K-albanian camp.

ie: harking back to Scythian ancestors & Illyrian, being 'forever grateful to our brother russians', & the K-albanian sycophancy towards the US, etc.

Kind of puts the argument that Kosovo is a 'unique' case which doesn't set a precedent into it's proper context doesn't it.

ps: see 'dan-ch' has just posted a comment while I've been writing this which only goes towards proving my points - ie: sycophancy towards the US etc.. although doubt if he'll she it in quite that light ;)

Ataman

I like some of your posts but very often you try to look out more educated than you really are. So best if before writing something here you look for a reliable source. The short of it is СЛЫШАЛ ЗВОН ДА НЕ ЗНАЮ , ГДЕ ОН … In the Caucasus there are several peoples ( кабардинцы , адыги , черкесы , карачаевцы , балкарцы , ингуши ) claiming that they are of Scythian ( Alanian , Sarmatian ) origin but the official science is on our side.

If you are in a discussion mood please enter one of our forums ( www.iriston.ru ) and ask other Ossetians whatever you want. Today I won’t comment the contradictions you filled your message with but if you say that you know nothing about the Scythians I shall give you some more links to close this hole in your education. You will also be surprised to know that Saakashvili is also an Ossetian with his father still alive and speaking good Ossetian. Like J. Stalin Saak was born from his Georgian mother on December 21 …

Крепись , казак …