The Kosovo assembly has approved by a majority vote a composition called "Europe" by Mehdi Mendiqi, a tune with no lyrics, as Kosovo's national anthem.
Wow, another historian joined the forum.
And to top it up; a linguist.
You see Nikitas, history is a very dangerous place to swim especially when your “version” of history is completely different from everybody elses.
Now Nikitas, please stop teaching us our history.
I like it when “historians” like yourself add nationalities as it pleases them (to “make a point”).
In your case, to hide your religious angle added Jews to your “thoughtful” analysis.
You should know better than that Nikitas.
As a “qualified historian” you should know that during WW2 the number of Jews increased in Albanian regions.
You see Nikitas, this is where the “self proclaimed historians” like yourself make mistakes.
They let their personal biasness cloud their judgment.
It's called open-mindedness! It shows a high level of maturity, it shows that we're beyond the stage of creating a nation-state.
Although we're the majority, we're trying to accommodate everyone else and make them feel at home.
Before you partisans start posting nonsense, note the choice of words I'm using - 'trying' - we haven't achieved it yet but there is a willingness (which is more than you can say about our neighbours!!!)
Why not call it Europe? We're part of it. We don't seem to suffer an identity crisis, we seem to know perfectly well exactly who we are and what are ethnic symbols are. Now we've got a state and there seems to be a tendency to build a nation - of all people who live in it - hence the national symbols. Not too shabby for a Disneyland-type, crime ridden, poor, uneducated, fundamentalist, puppet entity!
Actually it is Kossyfopedio, not even Kosovo, even more kosova. Even the name of the place has no meaning in any neighbouring country, it is just deriving from the Greek word I mentioned above. So save me the language lessons, go learn your own first.
And it is albanians and not Albanians if i want to say it so, and there is nothing you can do about it :)
As for the Greeks. You know, the last time the Greeks fought it was when they drove the Italians back at northern albania, you know, at that time when your fellow albanians open arms to welcome their conquerors (the fascist Italian troops) without firing even one bullet.
I call that full throttle reverse, if you know what I mean :)
Besides, it wasnt Greece that gave the name of her national hero to a nazi SS division during WW2. Remember who that was?
Let me help a bit:
"During World War II, the Axis powers dismembered and occupied Yugoslavia and created a greater Albania by annexing the Serbian region of Kosovo-Metohija by Nazi Germany, Germany formed a Shqiptar "Kosovar" Waffen SS Division, the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS "Skanderbeg" which engaged in a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Orthodox Serbian population of Kosovo. The result was that the Shqiptars, with the help of Germany, were able to virtually exterminate the Serbian and Jews populations of Kosovo, thereby creating an ethnically pure, Nazi German-sponsored Greater Albania or Greater Shqiperia."
Please educate us. When was the last time that Greeks fought?
What is the expression they use for Greek army....”only one gear,... reverse”!
Also please explain to us what does “those people” mean in your sentence.
Also please Nikitas what does “Kossovo-albanians” mean?
Nikitas, the place is called Kosovo(a) and the people you are referring to are called Albanians.
So if you used “Kosovo(a) Albanians” (not “Kossovo-“ and not “albanians") your sentence would actually make sense.
PRN - It might as well be the Disneyland them tune as your "constitution" is meaningless and worthless. you'll only hit the jackpot when you get a seat at the UN. Unfortunately, the odds on that happening are probably a few trillion to one.
(PB, 11 June 2008 18:45)
Dear PB,
I believe you and many of your compatriots are trapped in self-fulfilling prophecy.
A country can independent and soverign even without having a seat at the UN. Look at Switzerland. It didn't joined the UN until 2002.
We have got to consolidate our economy and joing other bodies before we decide to apply for a UN seat.
As far as our constitution is concerned, I can tell you that our constitution is by far more realistic than that of Serbia's.
In our constitution we claim to have control on all the parts of Kosovo, and we do have our (police, and soon army) forces in the entire region, collect taxes, have border checks, have different IDs, passport etc...
In Serbia's constitution you claim sovereignty when most of UNSC openly oppossed you soverignty over Kosovo, (by recognising Kosovo,)you have no police or army forces in Kosovo, collect no taxes etc...all in all to me Serbia's constitution looks more of a balum-balum constitution...
Constitution, anthem, what next?
You Albanians are trying to force something that cannot be forced.
The more ceremonial stuff you come up with, the more egg you will have to wipe off your face when the dream is over. It will be over, it's just a matter of time.
You see, you have the law against you on this one. This is no small obsticle.
Now if you can come up with how you will get around res 1244 instead of coming up with songs, I will say you have something concrete to discuss.
Wait.
You mean that those people (Kossovo-albanians) "fought" for their "independance", so to be able to call their NATIONAL anthem "Europe"?
Wth??????
How stupid is that?
You can make anything you want just to show the world that your so called independent. BUT IN THE EYES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW KOSOVO IS A FAKE STATE AND A PART OF THE REPUBLIC OF SERBIA whether you agree or not.
OK Serbs, this anthem story is just a joke we are playing to keep calm the so-called "Greater Albania" nightmere hysteria of our western supporters. In this direction Serbia is giving a very big hand, just to say the last, blocking the Kosovo Eurochambres application.
So the Kosovars, whether they like it or not, will have to direct their eyes more and more towards the Motherland, Albania. And of course, the Motherland will take care of its children, even of those who have been prodigal sons.
Thank You Serbia for the great help you're giving in the unification of the Albanian Nation.
Pretty ridiculous that Kosova is stuck with "Europe" as a national anthem to appease a tiny portion of the population that doesn't want to be appeased.
I think if you guys keep it up with the Disneyland jokes they will eventually be funny...
Dane - "this means more Tom & Jerry, where Jerry personalizes Kosovo Albanians. In this situation cleverness is much important... "
We agree that cleverness is very important. Tom and Jerry were Hanna Barbera creations, NOT Walt Disney's!
PRN - It might as well be the Disneyland them tune as your "constitution" is meaningless and worthless. you'll only hit the jackpot when you get a seat at the UN. Unfortunately, the odds on that happening are probably a few trillion to one.
"It would do Serbia some good to head in the same direction"
(Mark (Shqype), 11 June 2008 17:24)
Ouch... In same direction? You want them being bombed into stone age? OMG, no, no, no... they are going the European path.
"as this young, new Balkan country."
(Mark (Shqype), 11 June 2008 17:24)
Certainly in Balkan and certainly many young people, a great potential. The words "great potential" also mean a great burden. As far as "new" and "country" that is по воде вилами написано... :-/
PRN - It might as well be the Disneyland them tune as your "constitution" is meaningless and worthless. you'll only hit the jackpot when you get a seat at the UN. Unfortunately, the odds on that happening are probably a few trillion to one.
(PB, 11 June 2008 18:45)
Dear PB,
I believe you and many of your compatriots are trapped in self-fulfilling prophecy.
A country can independent and soverign even without having a seat at the UN. Look at Switzerland. It didn't joined the UN until 2002.
We have got to consolidate our economy and joing other bodies before we decide to apply for a UN seat.
As far as our constitution is concerned, I can tell you that our constitution is by far more realistic than that of Serbia's.
In our constitution we claim to have control on all the parts of Kosovo, and we do have our (police, and soon army) forces in the entire region, collect taxes, have border checks, have different IDs, passport etc...
In Serbia's constitution you claim sovereignty when most of UNSC openly oppossed you soverignty over Kosovo, (by recognising Kosovo,)you have no police or army forces in Kosovo, collect no taxes etc...all in all to me Serbia's constitution looks more of a balum-balum constitution...
Please educate us. When was the last time that Greeks fought?
What is the expression they use for Greek army....”only one gear,... reverse”!
Also please explain to us what does “those people” mean in your sentence.
Also please Nikitas what does “Kossovo-albanians” mean?
Nikitas, the place is called Kosovo(a) and the people you are referring to are called Albanians.
So if you used “Kosovo(a) Albanians” (not “Kossovo-“ and not “albanians") your sentence would actually make sense.
Pretty ridiculous that Kosova is stuck with "Europe" as a national anthem to appease a tiny portion of the population that doesn't want to be appeased.
I think if you guys keep it up with the Disneyland jokes they will eventually be funny...
Wow, another historian joined the forum.
And to top it up; a linguist.
You see Nikitas, history is a very dangerous place to swim especially when your “version” of history is completely different from everybody elses.
Now Nikitas, please stop teaching us our history.
I like it when “historians” like yourself add nationalities as it pleases them (to “make a point”).
In your case, to hide your religious angle added Jews to your “thoughtful” analysis.
You should know better than that Nikitas.
As a “qualified historian” you should know that during WW2 the number of Jews increased in Albanian regions.
You see Nikitas, this is where the “self proclaimed historians” like yourself make mistakes.
They let their personal biasness cloud their judgment.
OK Serbs, this anthem story is just a joke we are playing to keep calm the so-called "Greater Albania" nightmere hysteria of our western supporters. In this direction Serbia is giving a very big hand, just to say the last, blocking the Kosovo Eurochambres application.
So the Kosovars, whether they like it or not, will have to direct their eyes more and more towards the Motherland, Albania. And of course, the Motherland will take care of its children, even of those who have been prodigal sons.
Thank You Serbia for the great help you're giving in the unification of the Albanian Nation.
It's called open-mindedness! It shows a high level of maturity, it shows that we're beyond the stage of creating a nation-state.
Although we're the majority, we're trying to accommodate everyone else and make them feel at home.
Before you partisans start posting nonsense, note the choice of words I'm using - 'trying' - we haven't achieved it yet but there is a willingness (which is more than you can say about our neighbours!!!)
Why not call it Europe? We're part of it. We don't seem to suffer an identity crisis, we seem to know perfectly well exactly who we are and what are ethnic symbols are. Now we've got a state and there seems to be a tendency to build a nation - of all people who live in it - hence the national symbols. Not too shabby for a Disneyland-type, crime ridden, poor, uneducated, fundamentalist, puppet entity!
You can make anything you want just to show the world that your so called independent. BUT IN THE EYES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW KOSOVO IS A FAKE STATE AND A PART OF THE REPUBLIC OF SERBIA whether you agree or not.
Dane - "this means more Tom & Jerry, where Jerry personalizes Kosovo Albanians. In this situation cleverness is much important... "
We agree that cleverness is very important. Tom and Jerry were Hanna Barbera creations, NOT Walt Disney's!
PRN - It might as well be the Disneyland them tune as your "constitution" is meaningless and worthless. you'll only hit the jackpot when you get a seat at the UN. Unfortunately, the odds on that happening are probably a few trillion to one.
Actually it is Kossyfopedio, not even Kosovo, even more kosova. Even the name of the place has no meaning in any neighbouring country, it is just deriving from the Greek word I mentioned above. So save me the language lessons, go learn your own first.
And it is albanians and not Albanians if i want to say it so, and there is nothing you can do about it :)
As for the Greeks. You know, the last time the Greeks fought it was when they drove the Italians back at northern albania, you know, at that time when your fellow albanians open arms to welcome their conquerors (the fascist Italian troops) without firing even one bullet.
I call that full throttle reverse, if you know what I mean :)
Besides, it wasnt Greece that gave the name of her national hero to a nazi SS division during WW2. Remember who that was?
Let me help a bit:
"During World War II, the Axis powers dismembered and occupied Yugoslavia and created a greater Albania by annexing the Serbian region of Kosovo-Metohija by Nazi Germany, Germany formed a Shqiptar "Kosovar" Waffen SS Division, the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS "Skanderbeg" which engaged in a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Orthodox Serbian population of Kosovo. The result was that the Shqiptars, with the help of Germany, were able to virtually exterminate the Serbian and Jews populations of Kosovo, thereby creating an ethnically pure, Nazi German-sponsored Greater Albania or Greater Shqiperia."
Wait.
You mean that those people (Kossovo-albanians) "fought" for their "independance", so to be able to call their NATIONAL anthem "Europe"?
Wth??????
How stupid is that?
"It would do Serbia some good to head in the same direction"
(Mark (Shqype), 11 June 2008 17:24)
Ouch... In same direction? You want them being bombed into stone age? OMG, no, no, no... they are going the European path.
"as this young, new Balkan country."
(Mark (Shqype), 11 June 2008 17:24)
Certainly in Balkan and certainly many young people, a great potential. The words "great potential" also mean a great burden. As far as "new" and "country" that is по воде вилами написано... :-/
Constitution, anthem, what next?
You Albanians are trying to force something that cannot be forced.
The more ceremonial stuff you come up with, the more egg you will have to wipe off your face when the dream is over. It will be over, it's just a matter of time.
You see, you have the law against you on this one. This is no small obsticle.
Now if you can come up with how you will get around res 1244 instead of coming up with songs, I will say you have something concrete to discuss.
Actually it is Kossyfopedio, not even Kosovo, even more kosova. Even the name of the place has no meaning in any neighbouring country, it is just deriving from the Greek word I mentioned above. So save me the language lessons, go learn your own first.
And it is albanians and not Albanians if i want to say it so, and there is nothing you can do about it :)
As for the Greeks. You know, the last time the Greeks fought it was when they drove the Italians back at northern albania, you know, at that time when your fellow albanians open arms to welcome their conquerors (the fascist Italian troops) without firing even one bullet.
I call that full throttle reverse, if you know what I mean :)
Besides, it wasnt Greece that gave the name of her national hero to a nazi SS division during WW2. Remember who that was?
Let me help a bit:
"During World War II, the Axis powers dismembered and occupied Yugoslavia and created a greater Albania by annexing the Serbian region of Kosovo-Metohija by Nazi Germany, Germany formed a Shqiptar "Kosovar" Waffen SS Division, the 21st Waffen Gebirgs Division der SS "Skanderbeg" which engaged in a policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Orthodox Serbian population of Kosovo. The result was that the Shqiptars, with the help of Germany, were able to virtually exterminate the Serbian and Jews populations of Kosovo, thereby creating an ethnically pure, Nazi German-sponsored Greater Albania or Greater Shqiperia."
"It would do Serbia some good to head in the same direction"
(Mark (Shqype), 11 June 2008 17:24)
Ouch... In same direction? You want them being bombed into stone age? OMG, no, no, no... they are going the European path.
"as this young, new Balkan country."
(Mark (Shqype), 11 June 2008 17:24)
Certainly in Balkan and certainly many young people, a great potential. The words "great potential" also mean a great burden. As far as "new" and "country" that is по воде вилами написано... :-/
You can make anything you want just to show the world that your so called independent. BUT IN THE EYES OF INTERNATIONAL LAW KOSOVO IS A FAKE STATE AND A PART OF THE REPUBLIC OF SERBIA whether you agree or not.
Wait.
You mean that those people (Kossovo-albanians) "fought" for their "independance", so to be able to call their NATIONAL anthem "Europe"?
Wth??????
How stupid is that?
Dane - "this means more Tom & Jerry, where Jerry personalizes Kosovo Albanians. In this situation cleverness is much important... "
We agree that cleverness is very important. Tom and Jerry were Hanna Barbera creations, NOT Walt Disney's!
PRN - It might as well be the Disneyland them tune as your "constitution" is meaningless and worthless. you'll only hit the jackpot when you get a seat at the UN. Unfortunately, the odds on that happening are probably a few trillion to one.
OK Serbs, this anthem story is just a joke we are playing to keep calm the so-called "Greater Albania" nightmere hysteria of our western supporters. In this direction Serbia is giving a very big hand, just to say the last, blocking the Kosovo Eurochambres application.
So the Kosovars, whether they like it or not, will have to direct their eyes more and more towards the Motherland, Albania. And of course, the Motherland will take care of its children, even of those who have been prodigal sons.
Thank You Serbia for the great help you're giving in the unification of the Albanian Nation.
Constitution, anthem, what next?
You Albanians are trying to force something that cannot be forced.
The more ceremonial stuff you come up with, the more egg you will have to wipe off your face when the dream is over. It will be over, it's just a matter of time.
You see, you have the law against you on this one. This is no small obsticle.
Now if you can come up with how you will get around res 1244 instead of coming up with songs, I will say you have something concrete to discuss.
Pretty ridiculous that Kosova is stuck with "Europe" as a national anthem to appease a tiny portion of the population that doesn't want to be appeased.
I think if you guys keep it up with the Disneyland jokes they will eventually be funny...
PRN - It might as well be the Disneyland them tune as your "constitution" is meaningless and worthless. you'll only hit the jackpot when you get a seat at the UN. Unfortunately, the odds on that happening are probably a few trillion to one.
(PB, 11 June 2008 18:45)
Dear PB,
I believe you and many of your compatriots are trapped in self-fulfilling prophecy.
A country can independent and soverign even without having a seat at the UN. Look at Switzerland. It didn't joined the UN until 2002.
We have got to consolidate our economy and joing other bodies before we decide to apply for a UN seat.
As far as our constitution is concerned, I can tell you that our constitution is by far more realistic than that of Serbia's.
In our constitution we claim to have control on all the parts of Kosovo, and we do have our (police, and soon army) forces in the entire region, collect taxes, have border checks, have different IDs, passport etc...
In Serbia's constitution you claim sovereignty when most of UNSC openly oppossed you soverignty over Kosovo, (by recognising Kosovo,)you have no police or army forces in Kosovo, collect no taxes etc...all in all to me Serbia's constitution looks more of a balum-balum constitution...
Please educate us. When was the last time that Greeks fought?
What is the expression they use for Greek army....”only one gear,... reverse”!
Also please explain to us what does “those people” mean in your sentence.
Also please Nikitas what does “Kossovo-albanians” mean?
Nikitas, the place is called Kosovo(a) and the people you are referring to are called Albanians.
So if you used “Kosovo(a) Albanians” (not “Kossovo-“ and not “albanians") your sentence would actually make sense.
It's called open-mindedness! It shows a high level of maturity, it shows that we're beyond the stage of creating a nation-state.
Although we're the majority, we're trying to accommodate everyone else and make them feel at home.
Before you partisans start posting nonsense, note the choice of words I'm using - 'trying' - we haven't achieved it yet but there is a willingness (which is more than you can say about our neighbours!!!)
Why not call it Europe? We're part of it. We don't seem to suffer an identity crisis, we seem to know perfectly well exactly who we are and what are ethnic symbols are. Now we've got a state and there seems to be a tendency to build a nation - of all people who live in it - hence the national symbols. Not too shabby for a Disneyland-type, crime ridden, poor, uneducated, fundamentalist, puppet entity!
Wow, another historian joined the forum.
And to top it up; a linguist.
You see Nikitas, history is a very dangerous place to swim especially when your “version” of history is completely different from everybody elses.
Now Nikitas, please stop teaching us our history.
I like it when “historians” like yourself add nationalities as it pleases them (to “make a point”).
In your case, to hide your religious angle added Jews to your “thoughtful” analysis.
You should know better than that Nikitas.
As a “qualified historian” you should know that during WW2 the number of Jews increased in Albanian regions.
You see Nikitas, this is where the “self proclaimed historians” like yourself make mistakes.
They let their personal biasness cloud their judgment.
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