I read Tokes's interview in romanian and from what I remember is that he said that he knows that transylvania is lost for the hungarian nation, but the kososvo issue can be used in order to get more rights for the hungarians regarding the autonomy of a certain region in transilvania (a sort of cluster, Szekel County - don't know if I spelled correct, which represents like 20-25% of transilvania itself). He was also saying that the aim is to keep the identity of the hungarians.
Now, as a transilvanian 75% romanian 25% german (procents seem to count these days), I can say that the problem is not the idea of autonomy, but how that one is transposed into practice, given the fact that hungarians have to have access to jobs whereever they want in Romania, so the language issue is important cause lack of good knowledge of romanian might cause them problems in securing a job.
(beni, 10 March 2008 20:32)
I usually do not use harsh words, but you are such an ignorant. Transilvania was home of the Dacians since centuries before Christ. It was conquered by the romans in 106 AD and we romanians are the descent of the result (and proud of it) and as one german pastor said, in those times when in most of europe the only sound was that of the frogs, in transilvania people were praying in churches in latin.
I wish all my heart that Transilvania would have been thaken as an example for Kosovo, situation there would have been completley different now. Nobody should compare K-albanians or their situation with our hungarians, do not insult our hungarians.
B92 - there surely must be something wrong with your report, or your translation. Tokes knows very well that the majority in Transylvania are not ethnic Hungarian, but Romanians. He would never have claimed the majority are Hungarian. However, there are three counties deep within Transylvania - rather far from the border - where the majority is Hungarian. These are the so-called Sekler counties (Szekely in Hun., Secui in Ro.), and some people in those counties have indeed called for a restoration of the autonomy they once enjoyed under (communist!) Romanian rule. Here there could be some comparison with Kosovo (though I stress, these counties do not border on Hungary).
Some have called for autonomy for all of Transylvania, but there the parallel would be Vojvodina, not Kosovo, because (as in Vojvodina) the majority is not Hungarian.
Come on, it's quite obvious that they are seeking a "temporary solution" much like the temporary status of the Albanian parts in the quasi puppet Kosovo entity.
You`re not familiar with romanian politics. Tokes is part of the "radical wing". The biggest hungarian party in Romania (part of the government) also claims authonomy for a certain region (well, some sort of "Vojvodina-like"), but they don`t go that far. Actually it`s more propaganda what they do.
Of course time will come for Vojvodina and translivania. These territories were occupied by rumanians and serbs after austro-hungarian empire. These territories will be liberated one day. That time russia was strong and also england and france were against austro-hungary. Now is different.
I actually read the article and apart from the title there is nothing to relate Transylvanian’s aims to Kosovo.
Now Vuk, apart from your assumptions can you please tell us which part we missed?
A temporary solution could be for the next 50 years.
Also that “temporary solution” might be replaced with another “temporally solution”.
Do you believe that after 50 years Transylvanian’s will say… “let’s do what Kosovars did 50 years ago”?
B92, There have been few occasions where the title did not reflect the article itself, this being one of them.
I actually read the article and apart from the title there is nothing to relate Transylvanian’s aims to Kosovo.
Now Vuk, apart from your assumptions can you please tell us which part we missed?
A temporary solution could be for the next 50 years.
Also that “temporary solution” might be replaced with another “temporally solution”.
Do you believe that after 50 years Transylvanian’s will say… “let’s do what Kosovars did 50 years ago”?
B92, There have been few occasions where the title did not reflect the article itself, this being one of them.
Come on, it's quite obvious that they are seeking a "temporary solution" much like the temporary status of the Albanian parts in the quasi puppet Kosovo entity.
Of course time will come for Vojvodina and translivania. These territories were occupied by rumanians and serbs after austro-hungarian empire. These territories will be liberated one day. That time russia was strong and also england and france were against austro-hungary. Now is different.
B92 - there surely must be something wrong with your report, or your translation. Tokes knows very well that the majority in Transylvania are not ethnic Hungarian, but Romanians. He would never have claimed the majority are Hungarian. However, there are three counties deep within Transylvania - rather far from the border - where the majority is Hungarian. These are the so-called Sekler counties (Szekely in Hun., Secui in Ro.), and some people in those counties have indeed called for a restoration of the autonomy they once enjoyed under (communist!) Romanian rule. Here there could be some comparison with Kosovo (though I stress, these counties do not border on Hungary).
Some have called for autonomy for all of Transylvania, but there the parallel would be Vojvodina, not Kosovo, because (as in Vojvodina) the majority is not Hungarian.
I read Tokes's interview in romanian and from what I remember is that he said that he knows that transylvania is lost for the hungarian nation, but the kososvo issue can be used in order to get more rights for the hungarians regarding the autonomy of a certain region in transilvania (a sort of cluster, Szekel County - don't know if I spelled correct, which represents like 20-25% of transilvania itself). He was also saying that the aim is to keep the identity of the hungarians.
Now, as a transilvanian 75% romanian 25% german (procents seem to count these days), I can say that the problem is not the idea of autonomy, but how that one is transposed into practice, given the fact that hungarians have to have access to jobs whereever they want in Romania, so the language issue is important cause lack of good knowledge of romanian might cause them problems in securing a job.
(beni, 10 March 2008 20:32)
I usually do not use harsh words, but you are such an ignorant. Transilvania was home of the Dacians since centuries before Christ. It was conquered by the romans in 106 AD and we romanians are the descent of the result (and proud of it) and as one german pastor said, in those times when in most of europe the only sound was that of the frogs, in transilvania people were praying in churches in latin.
I wish all my heart that Transilvania would have been thaken as an example for Kosovo, situation there would have been completley different now. Nobody should compare K-albanians or their situation with our hungarians, do not insult our hungarians.
You`re not familiar with romanian politics. Tokes is part of the "radical wing". The biggest hungarian party in Romania (part of the government) also claims authonomy for a certain region (well, some sort of "Vojvodina-like"), but they don`t go that far. Actually it`s more propaganda what they do.
I actually read the article and apart from the title there is nothing to relate Transylvanian’s aims to Kosovo.
Now Vuk, apart from your assumptions can you please tell us which part we missed?
A temporary solution could be for the next 50 years.
Also that “temporary solution” might be replaced with another “temporally solution”.
Do you believe that after 50 years Transylvanian’s will say… “let’s do what Kosovars did 50 years ago”?
B92, There have been few occasions where the title did not reflect the article itself, this being one of them.
Of course time will come for Vojvodina and translivania. These territories were occupied by rumanians and serbs after austro-hungarian empire. These territories will be liberated one day. That time russia was strong and also england and france were against austro-hungary. Now is different.
Come on, it's quite obvious that they are seeking a "temporary solution" much like the temporary status of the Albanian parts in the quasi puppet Kosovo entity.
You`re not familiar with romanian politics. Tokes is part of the "radical wing". The biggest hungarian party in Romania (part of the government) also claims authonomy for a certain region (well, some sort of "Vojvodina-like"), but they don`t go that far. Actually it`s more propaganda what they do.
B92 - there surely must be something wrong with your report, or your translation. Tokes knows very well that the majority in Transylvania are not ethnic Hungarian, but Romanians. He would never have claimed the majority are Hungarian. However, there are three counties deep within Transylvania - rather far from the border - where the majority is Hungarian. These are the so-called Sekler counties (Szekely in Hun., Secui in Ro.), and some people in those counties have indeed called for a restoration of the autonomy they once enjoyed under (communist!) Romanian rule. Here there could be some comparison with Kosovo (though I stress, these counties do not border on Hungary).
Some have called for autonomy for all of Transylvania, but there the parallel would be Vojvodina, not Kosovo, because (as in Vojvodina) the majority is not Hungarian.
I read Tokes's interview in romanian and from what I remember is that he said that he knows that transylvania is lost for the hungarian nation, but the kososvo issue can be used in order to get more rights for the hungarians regarding the autonomy of a certain region in transilvania (a sort of cluster, Szekel County - don't know if I spelled correct, which represents like 20-25% of transilvania itself). He was also saying that the aim is to keep the identity of the hungarians.
Now, as a transilvanian 75% romanian 25% german (procents seem to count these days), I can say that the problem is not the idea of autonomy, but how that one is transposed into practice, given the fact that hungarians have to have access to jobs whereever they want in Romania, so the language issue is important cause lack of good knowledge of romanian might cause them problems in securing a job.
(beni, 10 March 2008 20:32)
I usually do not use harsh words, but you are such an ignorant. Transilvania was home of the Dacians since centuries before Christ. It was conquered by the romans in 106 AD and we romanians are the descent of the result (and proud of it) and as one german pastor said, in those times when in most of europe the only sound was that of the frogs, in transilvania people were praying in churches in latin.
I wish all my heart that Transilvania would have been thaken as an example for Kosovo, situation there would have been completley different now. Nobody should compare K-albanians or their situation with our hungarians, do not insult our hungarians.
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