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Next Serbian steps on Kosovo

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Besa bese

pre 17 godina

You guys seem to forget the basic stuff. The US is not simply granting independance to Albanians just because they're asking for it, otherwiese every body could do so, Transnistria, Basks, whatever... The fact is that this is a new branch of International Law which is called remedial secession, a kind of soft law deemed to become hard law as usual. No one could say for instance that Spanish gvt expelled Basques from their homes, or that US gvt was treating its Hispanos as second class citizens, what actually happened to us while we were living in Prishtina as Albanians. At the end of the day there's a continuity in the State, this Serbian gvt is no less responsible that Slobo's gvt regarding International Law, am I right? So the point now for Serbs is to calm down the stuff and accept the mistakes done by others because we live in an internationalised system which involves respect of continuity of rights and obligations of the States. It's a bit like this famous Rousseau book "Le contrat social", I mean, this contrat social has been broken by years of discriminative policits towards Albanians in Kosovo. I still remember all our Serb friends eating with us in our garden, listening to Serbian music and dancing all night long, all together. This in some respect was showing that most Albos were supporting their (Belgrade) gvt but when discrimination arrives you break up this contrat social that ties the gvt to its population. If we want to push a bit further the comparison, we could even argue that Albanians have the right to the Tyrannicide like Hobes has stated it in his famous Leviathan, once we have agreed that we are ready to give some of our personnal soverignty to a superior power (Belgrade for the Albanians in KS) and this power uses this soverignty to humiliate you and kill members of your family without even respecting any single law of war (which could have helped the return of peace), at that moment you can kill the tyran whom you've given part of your soverignty. This is simply what is happening right now, we Albanians are killing the tyran.

Greyle

pre 17 godina

What I'd like to know is why the EU and NATO should have any say in what happens with Serbia and Kosovo when Serbia belongs to neither one of those organizations?

Who are they to tell a country that it has to grant independence to a minority on it's own sovereign territory? Afterall, the Albanians may be 90% of the population in Kosovo, but they are the minority in Serbia of which Kosovo is a province.

If the Cubans in Florida or Mexicans in California decided they wanted independence of which they are clearly the majority there, would the US willing grant them it? Would they tolerate other countries or organizations dictating what they should do?

What if those same majorities took up arms against the police and civilians and started to drive them out; would the US tolerate that? Of course not, they would go in with the army and round up all the terrorists.

That's exactly what Serbia tried to do but was punished by NATO (US) because it is the US' desire to try and appease the muslims. However you cannot ever satisfy them because they will always want more. What's happening in Serbia now with the muslims, is what will happen in the future for France, Germany, UK and other European countries with large muslim populations. They will always ask for more and if you keep giving it; they will continue to ask for it. If it's not givin to them, they will then try to take it by force like what's happened in Kosova.

What happens in Kosova can and most likely happen in other countries in the very near future. I wonder if those countries will be so quick and willing to allow partition of their own territories like they are for Serbia's?

lowe

pre 17 godina

"For all those preaching the need to follow and not to break international laws and codes, i have only one question: where was the international law and order when needed in Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Vukovar? How come there was no anarchy in the world, as an answer to all the actions taken by the Serbian forces, ones that were obviously against international laws, declarations etc?
(me, 29 December 2007 00:48)"

me,

2 wrongs don't make a right. Assuming that Serbia under Milosevic did indeed break international law in the 1990s (which they have so far not been indicted by the World Court), it doesn't follow that the West is therefore now entitled to do the same. If the West does break international law now, they lose the very credibiity and moral high ground that were invoked back in 1999 as justification for attacking the Serbians, and which they still claim for themselves today.

me

pre 17 godina

For all those preaching the need to follow and not to break international laws and codes, i have only one question: where was the international law and order when needed in Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Vukovar? How come there was no anarchy in the world, as an answer to all the actions taken by the Serbian forces, ones that were obviously against international laws, declarations etc?

Harry Cummins

pre 17 godina

From the looks of it, Mr. Montgomery is the type of person that sees patriotism if an American waves an American flag and nationalism if a Serbian waves a Serbian flag. He appears to hold Serbia to a double standard compared to other countries for some reason.

Brian

pre 17 godina

Ahtisaari's plan never even mentions Serbia having a role in Kosovo. They just talk about Kosovo Serbs. Serbia's views on Kosovo have been completely ignored. It is like the west wants to ignore the fact that Kosovo was ever part of Serbia. What kind of person waits this long to write that Serbia is not being paid attention to here? It has been obvious from the beginning.

This whole idea of somehow Albanians taking over North Mitrovica is ludicrous. I can imagine Albanian police invading North Mitrovica and what? Arresting and jailing Oliver Ivanovic? I would like to see that! Partition is going to be hard and be forever. Serbs in Kosovo are citizens of Serbia. End of story.

Brocke Boucharde

pre 17 godina

If NATO and the US attempt to push Serbia out of Kosovo and to back Kosovar autonomy, then Putin or Medvedev should take the opportunity to send a big new message to Bush and the Globalists: "You will not see a repeat of 1999." Russia should back Serbia's armed forces if they have to secure Kosovo. Russia should also be shipping S-300 (and preferably S-400) AA systems into Serbia as fast as possible. Russia could also threaten to cut off natural gas supplies to Europe. It is time for Russia to support its Slav brothers and create a Slavic Monroe Doctrine for the Balkans: "Outsiders like NATO and the US will be slapped down if they invade Serbia again."

Hello to brave Serbian brothers & sisters.
--4th Generation US Citizen

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: The Loser(s) of the illegal declaration of Kosovo

Dear Ambassador Montgomery,

The greatest losers of the illegal unilateral recognition of Kosovo will not be the Serbs, but the EU, UN, US , in fact th entire international rule of law and order.

The reaction of Serbia is supported by all parties, not only DSS and Kostunica. Serbia is united and this is shown with the passing of the intial draft of Kosovo and Metohojia, the integral part of Serbia.

The illegal unilateral declaration of independnace will result in the following:


(1) Closer Economic and Military relations between Serbia and Russia which may include Russian bases. Gazprom is close to finalizing the sale of the largest NIS based oil company.

(2) Trade sanctions on Kosovo

(3) Split of EU

(4) Further dissolving of the UN as the international body of law since 1945

(5) The complete disintegration of international order and law-in other words, anarchy.

(6) Freezing of the Nato Partnership of Peace Program

(7) Further disintigration of Southeastern European Policy with Greece and Rumania as well as Cyprus

The question to you is how the EU has forgotten what Hitler seized power in Czechoslovakia, raping the country and allowing the country to split!! Prime Minister Benes of Czechoslovakia must be turning in his grave as Runstedt watched him sign away his country. The EU will not see any Serbia leaders sign away Kosovo!!

Bob Petrovich

pre 17 godina

It is refreshing to see that Ambassador Montgomery is fully aware of the fact that there is six EU members who do not support American scheme to chop off a chunk of UN member state and proclaim illegal terrorist statelet on that territory.

Having support of "Over 20 member-states" out of 27 is irrelevant. 27/27 is needed.

Gloating because of 74% support shows poor judgment, when it comes from a career diplomat.

America can do anything, but can not MAKE it become legal, even America has experience with supporting of self-styled statelets. It usually sours in the end.

South Vietnam comes to mind, not only because of the politics of heroin, present in South East Asia and Kosovo.

AlbaRock

pre 17 godina

I don`t understand the serb side are they not smart enough to lead by themselves but waiting analysis from someone else?!!! don`t they understand that they lost Kosova since 1999... serbs are wasting their time and energy in something that is forgoten, without looking forward. do the serbs really think that Kosova and Serbia will be one contry again after 1 milion people have been forced to live their homes and over 10 thausand people been killed more than 2000 thausand are still missing possible in serbia mass grave where they try to hide the krime that they commit. Because of all this the world can`t deny the independence of Kosova it`s not that the world is suporting Albanians. It is a fact that no one in the planet earth will deny.

Jovan

pre 17 godina

just saw Nick´s recommendation..

thanks, buddy, but, I leave it to the Albanians here to refer to pseudo-news... like some antiquarian assumptions in the encyclopedia brittanica..in it´s edition from 1911... :)

let´s be serious again,...
so, don´t worry, my portfolio is quite broad, by the way... that site you mentioned...

is linking up news-articles from all over the world, I cannot see koha ditore providing such a service...

the bottomline is: keep cool, nick... all will be fine, Serbia will give you broad autonomy and you will live in peace and prosperity.

last but not least, my dear friend,

is this a source serious enough for your?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22966948-7583,00.html

read it thouroughly, something like that is appearing more and more!
enjoy!

Cvele

pre 17 godina

KS
'One day, soon hopefully, Kosova will be independent and so on.'

Maybe never. U need a new UN resolution, everything else is a joke. You will remain Serbian citizens on the international stage. No matter what US or anyone says.

Anthony

pre 17 godina

I cannot again seem to draw a correlation between what happened at the treaty of Versailles and what continues to happen in the Balkans. We the western world continues to shoulder the sole responsibility on the wars in the former Yugoslavia on the shoulders of the Serbian people. The radical party would not have a leg to stand on if only the west had embraced Serbia after these wars, many of which needed no western intervention.

22 months in the province of Kosovo working both with Serb and ethnic - Albanian alike leads me to believe that Kosovo should legally and morally remain part of the Serbian state. The ethnic Albs are unfit to govern themselves successfully, and are even more ill equipped to protect the rights, property, and lives of the Serb population in the province. Furthermore, KFOR and the UN have showed their unwillingness to cooperate with the sovereign government in Belgrade as put for in 1244.

The property issues alone must keep Kosovo in the hand of Serbia, privatization must stop, all the homes destroyed, occupied, or sold under duress after KFOR was deployed and did nothing to stop it must be returned to the hands of their rightful owners.


At this time of Christmas I continue to pray for the people of Kosovo that peace may be with them. I especially pray for my eastern brethren, I am a Catholic, that the blessing of the Christ child may protect them and their families as well as their Churches this season.

uncletonny

pre 17 godina

Thing is that american open their history books and thy know who is right and who is wrong.But the mythology in america is not on the history books,only in their hollywood movies.

Nick KS

pre 17 godina

Jovan,

If you are not happy with B92 then perhaps you should focus all your efforts in reading the "unselective" and "patriotic"

www.Serbianna.com.

Which is in fact so patriotic that it changes all references to "Kosovo Albanians" in AFP and Reuters news to "Muslim Terrorist Kosovo Albanians".

You have gotten so used to censoring and state controlled media that you can’t live with it now.

You are stuck in 1912 and believe that anything Serbian propaganda sends out the world will buy. The world has changed a lot since then Jovan and people will be more convinced to side with the Serbian camp by reading B92 than some cheap radical news agency who still promotes XII century ideas.

Furthermore, B92 is not as pro US-American imperialism propaganda channel as you like to think. I have seen many cases where important news articles from influential newspapers and new agencies were not published at all in B92 and less relevant articles took their place.

Wim Roffel

pre 17 godina

I have the feeling that mr. Montgomery's definition of the "Security Council becom[ing] flexible enough to reflect the world today" is that it will be an institute that rubber stamps US decisions.

There comes a day when the US will have to recognize China's superior power. That is the day that it will start to regret the way it is now badgering countries around without ant respect for international law or reasonable arguments.

And sorry, mr. Montgomery, it is the US that has been obstructive regarding Kosovo: by appointing partial diplomats as "mediators" and by adopting an ethnic cleansing plan (written by Ahtisaari) as a fair solution.

With a more flexible approach from the US Kosovo might well have been independent by now... under conditions that both sides see as reasonable.

legaleye

pre 17 godina

Wow. what profound piece of analysis. We don't know what Kostunica is going to do? Wow, that never occurred to me. However, there is one insight that the former ambassador is correct about and that is that the United States is answering all of the perplexing questions from their own perspective on the whole Kosovo question and not at all from the Serbian standpoint. That has been endemic with American Diplomacy and Intelligence since the end of the cold War. They never bother to open a history book to try and understand the people and culture their engaging. Hence, they truly believed Iraq's would greet them with flowers as liberators. The arrogance American diplomats and Intelligent officers exhibited during the Cold War was often excused in the adversarial nature of duel superpowers, but now we see that their arrogance was really ignorance. But then of course you do have diplomats like Mr. Montgomery that has a keen sense of the obvious.

KS

pre 17 godina

This is ridiculous, this matter is done already. Kosova will never be in your (Serbian) reach..the end. Be friends, join EU..move on. Reporting on the "kosovo issue" has become a nuisance to read, Russia said this, Condi said that..who cares. One day, soon hopefully, Kosova will be independent and so on.

Jovan

pre 17 godina

jesus!

once again B92 degrades itself as a propaganda-channel for US-american imperialism...

Mr.Montgomery is throwing out some a,b,c,d,e,f...and whatever points...and B92 eagerly publishes that.
( I wonder if someone asked him at all )

what is B92 aim, actually?

very interesting, indeed.

the readers with some brain left, will certainly know what to think of that kind of selective journalism!

by the way..,

who is Mr.Montgomery?

Jovan

pre 17 godina

jesus!

once again B92 degrades itself as a propaganda-channel for US-american imperialism...

Mr.Montgomery is throwing out some a,b,c,d,e,f...and whatever points...and B92 eagerly publishes that.
( I wonder if someone asked him at all )

what is B92 aim, actually?

very interesting, indeed.

the readers with some brain left, will certainly know what to think of that kind of selective journalism!

by the way..,

who is Mr.Montgomery?

Brian

pre 17 godina

Ahtisaari's plan never even mentions Serbia having a role in Kosovo. They just talk about Kosovo Serbs. Serbia's views on Kosovo have been completely ignored. It is like the west wants to ignore the fact that Kosovo was ever part of Serbia. What kind of person waits this long to write that Serbia is not being paid attention to here? It has been obvious from the beginning.

This whole idea of somehow Albanians taking over North Mitrovica is ludicrous. I can imagine Albanian police invading North Mitrovica and what? Arresting and jailing Oliver Ivanovic? I would like to see that! Partition is going to be hard and be forever. Serbs in Kosovo are citizens of Serbia. End of story.

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: The Loser(s) of the illegal declaration of Kosovo

Dear Ambassador Montgomery,

The greatest losers of the illegal unilateral recognition of Kosovo will not be the Serbs, but the EU, UN, US , in fact th entire international rule of law and order.

The reaction of Serbia is supported by all parties, not only DSS and Kostunica. Serbia is united and this is shown with the passing of the intial draft of Kosovo and Metohojia, the integral part of Serbia.

The illegal unilateral declaration of independnace will result in the following:


(1) Closer Economic and Military relations between Serbia and Russia which may include Russian bases. Gazprom is close to finalizing the sale of the largest NIS based oil company.

(2) Trade sanctions on Kosovo

(3) Split of EU

(4) Further dissolving of the UN as the international body of law since 1945

(5) The complete disintegration of international order and law-in other words, anarchy.

(6) Freezing of the Nato Partnership of Peace Program

(7) Further disintigration of Southeastern European Policy with Greece and Rumania as well as Cyprus

The question to you is how the EU has forgotten what Hitler seized power in Czechoslovakia, raping the country and allowing the country to split!! Prime Minister Benes of Czechoslovakia must be turning in his grave as Runstedt watched him sign away his country. The EU will not see any Serbia leaders sign away Kosovo!!

Brocke Boucharde

pre 17 godina

If NATO and the US attempt to push Serbia out of Kosovo and to back Kosovar autonomy, then Putin or Medvedev should take the opportunity to send a big new message to Bush and the Globalists: "You will not see a repeat of 1999." Russia should back Serbia's armed forces if they have to secure Kosovo. Russia should also be shipping S-300 (and preferably S-400) AA systems into Serbia as fast as possible. Russia could also threaten to cut off natural gas supplies to Europe. It is time for Russia to support its Slav brothers and create a Slavic Monroe Doctrine for the Balkans: "Outsiders like NATO and the US will be slapped down if they invade Serbia again."

Hello to brave Serbian brothers & sisters.
--4th Generation US Citizen

Anthony

pre 17 godina

I cannot again seem to draw a correlation between what happened at the treaty of Versailles and what continues to happen in the Balkans. We the western world continues to shoulder the sole responsibility on the wars in the former Yugoslavia on the shoulders of the Serbian people. The radical party would not have a leg to stand on if only the west had embraced Serbia after these wars, many of which needed no western intervention.

22 months in the province of Kosovo working both with Serb and ethnic - Albanian alike leads me to believe that Kosovo should legally and morally remain part of the Serbian state. The ethnic Albs are unfit to govern themselves successfully, and are even more ill equipped to protect the rights, property, and lives of the Serb population in the province. Furthermore, KFOR and the UN have showed their unwillingness to cooperate with the sovereign government in Belgrade as put for in 1244.

The property issues alone must keep Kosovo in the hand of Serbia, privatization must stop, all the homes destroyed, occupied, or sold under duress after KFOR was deployed and did nothing to stop it must be returned to the hands of their rightful owners.


At this time of Christmas I continue to pray for the people of Kosovo that peace may be with them. I especially pray for my eastern brethren, I am a Catholic, that the blessing of the Christ child may protect them and their families as well as their Churches this season.

Bob Petrovich

pre 17 godina

It is refreshing to see that Ambassador Montgomery is fully aware of the fact that there is six EU members who do not support American scheme to chop off a chunk of UN member state and proclaim illegal terrorist statelet on that territory.

Having support of "Over 20 member-states" out of 27 is irrelevant. 27/27 is needed.

Gloating because of 74% support shows poor judgment, when it comes from a career diplomat.

America can do anything, but can not MAKE it become legal, even America has experience with supporting of self-styled statelets. It usually sours in the end.

South Vietnam comes to mind, not only because of the politics of heroin, present in South East Asia and Kosovo.

legaleye

pre 17 godina

Wow. what profound piece of analysis. We don't know what Kostunica is going to do? Wow, that never occurred to me. However, there is one insight that the former ambassador is correct about and that is that the United States is answering all of the perplexing questions from their own perspective on the whole Kosovo question and not at all from the Serbian standpoint. That has been endemic with American Diplomacy and Intelligence since the end of the cold War. They never bother to open a history book to try and understand the people and culture their engaging. Hence, they truly believed Iraq's would greet them with flowers as liberators. The arrogance American diplomats and Intelligent officers exhibited during the Cold War was often excused in the adversarial nature of duel superpowers, but now we see that their arrogance was really ignorance. But then of course you do have diplomats like Mr. Montgomery that has a keen sense of the obvious.

Cvele

pre 17 godina

KS
'One day, soon hopefully, Kosova will be independent and so on.'

Maybe never. U need a new UN resolution, everything else is a joke. You will remain Serbian citizens on the international stage. No matter what US or anyone says.

Wim Roffel

pre 17 godina

I have the feeling that mr. Montgomery's definition of the "Security Council becom[ing] flexible enough to reflect the world today" is that it will be an institute that rubber stamps US decisions.

There comes a day when the US will have to recognize China's superior power. That is the day that it will start to regret the way it is now badgering countries around without ant respect for international law or reasonable arguments.

And sorry, mr. Montgomery, it is the US that has been obstructive regarding Kosovo: by appointing partial diplomats as "mediators" and by adopting an ethnic cleansing plan (written by Ahtisaari) as a fair solution.

With a more flexible approach from the US Kosovo might well have been independent by now... under conditions that both sides see as reasonable.

Harry Cummins

pre 17 godina

From the looks of it, Mr. Montgomery is the type of person that sees patriotism if an American waves an American flag and nationalism if a Serbian waves a Serbian flag. He appears to hold Serbia to a double standard compared to other countries for some reason.

KS

pre 17 godina

This is ridiculous, this matter is done already. Kosova will never be in your (Serbian) reach..the end. Be friends, join EU..move on. Reporting on the "kosovo issue" has become a nuisance to read, Russia said this, Condi said that..who cares. One day, soon hopefully, Kosova will be independent and so on.

Nick KS

pre 17 godina

Jovan,

If you are not happy with B92 then perhaps you should focus all your efforts in reading the "unselective" and "patriotic"

www.Serbianna.com.

Which is in fact so patriotic that it changes all references to "Kosovo Albanians" in AFP and Reuters news to "Muslim Terrorist Kosovo Albanians".

You have gotten so used to censoring and state controlled media that you can’t live with it now.

You are stuck in 1912 and believe that anything Serbian propaganda sends out the world will buy. The world has changed a lot since then Jovan and people will be more convinced to side with the Serbian camp by reading B92 than some cheap radical news agency who still promotes XII century ideas.

Furthermore, B92 is not as pro US-American imperialism propaganda channel as you like to think. I have seen many cases where important news articles from influential newspapers and new agencies were not published at all in B92 and less relevant articles took their place.

Besa bese

pre 17 godina

You guys seem to forget the basic stuff. The US is not simply granting independance to Albanians just because they're asking for it, otherwiese every body could do so, Transnistria, Basks, whatever... The fact is that this is a new branch of International Law which is called remedial secession, a kind of soft law deemed to become hard law as usual. No one could say for instance that Spanish gvt expelled Basques from their homes, or that US gvt was treating its Hispanos as second class citizens, what actually happened to us while we were living in Prishtina as Albanians. At the end of the day there's a continuity in the State, this Serbian gvt is no less responsible that Slobo's gvt regarding International Law, am I right? So the point now for Serbs is to calm down the stuff and accept the mistakes done by others because we live in an internationalised system which involves respect of continuity of rights and obligations of the States. It's a bit like this famous Rousseau book "Le contrat social", I mean, this contrat social has been broken by years of discriminative policits towards Albanians in Kosovo. I still remember all our Serb friends eating with us in our garden, listening to Serbian music and dancing all night long, all together. This in some respect was showing that most Albos were supporting their (Belgrade) gvt but when discrimination arrives you break up this contrat social that ties the gvt to its population. If we want to push a bit further the comparison, we could even argue that Albanians have the right to the Tyrannicide like Hobes has stated it in his famous Leviathan, once we have agreed that we are ready to give some of our personnal soverignty to a superior power (Belgrade for the Albanians in KS) and this power uses this soverignty to humiliate you and kill members of your family without even respecting any single law of war (which could have helped the return of peace), at that moment you can kill the tyran whom you've given part of your soverignty. This is simply what is happening right now, we Albanians are killing the tyran.

lowe

pre 17 godina

"For all those preaching the need to follow and not to break international laws and codes, i have only one question: where was the international law and order when needed in Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Vukovar? How come there was no anarchy in the world, as an answer to all the actions taken by the Serbian forces, ones that were obviously against international laws, declarations etc?
(me, 29 December 2007 00:48)"

me,

2 wrongs don't make a right. Assuming that Serbia under Milosevic did indeed break international law in the 1990s (which they have so far not been indicted by the World Court), it doesn't follow that the West is therefore now entitled to do the same. If the West does break international law now, they lose the very credibiity and moral high ground that were invoked back in 1999 as justification for attacking the Serbians, and which they still claim for themselves today.

Jovan

pre 17 godina

just saw Nick´s recommendation..

thanks, buddy, but, I leave it to the Albanians here to refer to pseudo-news... like some antiquarian assumptions in the encyclopedia brittanica..in it´s edition from 1911... :)

let´s be serious again,...
so, don´t worry, my portfolio is quite broad, by the way... that site you mentioned...

is linking up news-articles from all over the world, I cannot see koha ditore providing such a service...

the bottomline is: keep cool, nick... all will be fine, Serbia will give you broad autonomy and you will live in peace and prosperity.

last but not least, my dear friend,

is this a source serious enough for your?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22966948-7583,00.html

read it thouroughly, something like that is appearing more and more!
enjoy!

uncletonny

pre 17 godina

Thing is that american open their history books and thy know who is right and who is wrong.But the mythology in america is not on the history books,only in their hollywood movies.

AlbaRock

pre 17 godina

I don`t understand the serb side are they not smart enough to lead by themselves but waiting analysis from someone else?!!! don`t they understand that they lost Kosova since 1999... serbs are wasting their time and energy in something that is forgoten, without looking forward. do the serbs really think that Kosova and Serbia will be one contry again after 1 milion people have been forced to live their homes and over 10 thausand people been killed more than 2000 thausand are still missing possible in serbia mass grave where they try to hide the krime that they commit. Because of all this the world can`t deny the independence of Kosova it`s not that the world is suporting Albanians. It is a fact that no one in the planet earth will deny.

me

pre 17 godina

For all those preaching the need to follow and not to break international laws and codes, i have only one question: where was the international law and order when needed in Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Vukovar? How come there was no anarchy in the world, as an answer to all the actions taken by the Serbian forces, ones that were obviously against international laws, declarations etc?

Greyle

pre 17 godina

What I'd like to know is why the EU and NATO should have any say in what happens with Serbia and Kosovo when Serbia belongs to neither one of those organizations?

Who are they to tell a country that it has to grant independence to a minority on it's own sovereign territory? Afterall, the Albanians may be 90% of the population in Kosovo, but they are the minority in Serbia of which Kosovo is a province.

If the Cubans in Florida or Mexicans in California decided they wanted independence of which they are clearly the majority there, would the US willing grant them it? Would they tolerate other countries or organizations dictating what they should do?

What if those same majorities took up arms against the police and civilians and started to drive them out; would the US tolerate that? Of course not, they would go in with the army and round up all the terrorists.

That's exactly what Serbia tried to do but was punished by NATO (US) because it is the US' desire to try and appease the muslims. However you cannot ever satisfy them because they will always want more. What's happening in Serbia now with the muslims, is what will happen in the future for France, Germany, UK and other European countries with large muslim populations. They will always ask for more and if you keep giving it; they will continue to ask for it. If it's not givin to them, they will then try to take it by force like what's happened in Kosova.

What happens in Kosova can and most likely happen in other countries in the very near future. I wonder if those countries will be so quick and willing to allow partition of their own territories like they are for Serbia's?

KS

pre 17 godina

This is ridiculous, this matter is done already. Kosova will never be in your (Serbian) reach..the end. Be friends, join EU..move on. Reporting on the "kosovo issue" has become a nuisance to read, Russia said this, Condi said that..who cares. One day, soon hopefully, Kosova will be independent and so on.

Nick KS

pre 17 godina

Jovan,

If you are not happy with B92 then perhaps you should focus all your efforts in reading the "unselective" and "patriotic"

www.Serbianna.com.

Which is in fact so patriotic that it changes all references to "Kosovo Albanians" in AFP and Reuters news to "Muslim Terrorist Kosovo Albanians".

You have gotten so used to censoring and state controlled media that you can’t live with it now.

You are stuck in 1912 and believe that anything Serbian propaganda sends out the world will buy. The world has changed a lot since then Jovan and people will be more convinced to side with the Serbian camp by reading B92 than some cheap radical news agency who still promotes XII century ideas.

Furthermore, B92 is not as pro US-American imperialism propaganda channel as you like to think. I have seen many cases where important news articles from influential newspapers and new agencies were not published at all in B92 and less relevant articles took their place.

AlbaRock

pre 17 godina

I don`t understand the serb side are they not smart enough to lead by themselves but waiting analysis from someone else?!!! don`t they understand that they lost Kosova since 1999... serbs are wasting their time and energy in something that is forgoten, without looking forward. do the serbs really think that Kosova and Serbia will be one contry again after 1 milion people have been forced to live their homes and over 10 thausand people been killed more than 2000 thausand are still missing possible in serbia mass grave where they try to hide the krime that they commit. Because of all this the world can`t deny the independence of Kosova it`s not that the world is suporting Albanians. It is a fact that no one in the planet earth will deny.

me

pre 17 godina

For all those preaching the need to follow and not to break international laws and codes, i have only one question: where was the international law and order when needed in Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Vukovar? How come there was no anarchy in the world, as an answer to all the actions taken by the Serbian forces, ones that were obviously against international laws, declarations etc?

Jovan

pre 17 godina

jesus!

once again B92 degrades itself as a propaganda-channel for US-american imperialism...

Mr.Montgomery is throwing out some a,b,c,d,e,f...and whatever points...and B92 eagerly publishes that.
( I wonder if someone asked him at all )

what is B92 aim, actually?

very interesting, indeed.

the readers with some brain left, will certainly know what to think of that kind of selective journalism!

by the way..,

who is Mr.Montgomery?

Wim Roffel

pre 17 godina

I have the feeling that mr. Montgomery's definition of the "Security Council becom[ing] flexible enough to reflect the world today" is that it will be an institute that rubber stamps US decisions.

There comes a day when the US will have to recognize China's superior power. That is the day that it will start to regret the way it is now badgering countries around without ant respect for international law or reasonable arguments.

And sorry, mr. Montgomery, it is the US that has been obstructive regarding Kosovo: by appointing partial diplomats as "mediators" and by adopting an ethnic cleansing plan (written by Ahtisaari) as a fair solution.

With a more flexible approach from the US Kosovo might well have been independent by now... under conditions that both sides see as reasonable.

Anthony

pre 17 godina

I cannot again seem to draw a correlation between what happened at the treaty of Versailles and what continues to happen in the Balkans. We the western world continues to shoulder the sole responsibility on the wars in the former Yugoslavia on the shoulders of the Serbian people. The radical party would not have a leg to stand on if only the west had embraced Serbia after these wars, many of which needed no western intervention.

22 months in the province of Kosovo working both with Serb and ethnic - Albanian alike leads me to believe that Kosovo should legally and morally remain part of the Serbian state. The ethnic Albs are unfit to govern themselves successfully, and are even more ill equipped to protect the rights, property, and lives of the Serb population in the province. Furthermore, KFOR and the UN have showed their unwillingness to cooperate with the sovereign government in Belgrade as put for in 1244.

The property issues alone must keep Kosovo in the hand of Serbia, privatization must stop, all the homes destroyed, occupied, or sold under duress after KFOR was deployed and did nothing to stop it must be returned to the hands of their rightful owners.


At this time of Christmas I continue to pray for the people of Kosovo that peace may be with them. I especially pray for my eastern brethren, I am a Catholic, that the blessing of the Christ child may protect them and their families as well as their Churches this season.

uncletonny

pre 17 godina

Thing is that american open their history books and thy know who is right and who is wrong.But the mythology in america is not on the history books,only in their hollywood movies.

Cvele

pre 17 godina

KS
'One day, soon hopefully, Kosova will be independent and so on.'

Maybe never. U need a new UN resolution, everything else is a joke. You will remain Serbian citizens on the international stage. No matter what US or anyone says.

Bob Petrovich

pre 17 godina

It is refreshing to see that Ambassador Montgomery is fully aware of the fact that there is six EU members who do not support American scheme to chop off a chunk of UN member state and proclaim illegal terrorist statelet on that territory.

Having support of "Over 20 member-states" out of 27 is irrelevant. 27/27 is needed.

Gloating because of 74% support shows poor judgment, when it comes from a career diplomat.

America can do anything, but can not MAKE it become legal, even America has experience with supporting of self-styled statelets. It usually sours in the end.

South Vietnam comes to mind, not only because of the politics of heroin, present in South East Asia and Kosovo.

Brian

pre 17 godina

Ahtisaari's plan never even mentions Serbia having a role in Kosovo. They just talk about Kosovo Serbs. Serbia's views on Kosovo have been completely ignored. It is like the west wants to ignore the fact that Kosovo was ever part of Serbia. What kind of person waits this long to write that Serbia is not being paid attention to here? It has been obvious from the beginning.

This whole idea of somehow Albanians taking over North Mitrovica is ludicrous. I can imagine Albanian police invading North Mitrovica and what? Arresting and jailing Oliver Ivanovic? I would like to see that! Partition is going to be hard and be forever. Serbs in Kosovo are citizens of Serbia. End of story.

Greyle

pre 17 godina

What I'd like to know is why the EU and NATO should have any say in what happens with Serbia and Kosovo when Serbia belongs to neither one of those organizations?

Who are they to tell a country that it has to grant independence to a minority on it's own sovereign territory? Afterall, the Albanians may be 90% of the population in Kosovo, but they are the minority in Serbia of which Kosovo is a province.

If the Cubans in Florida or Mexicans in California decided they wanted independence of which they are clearly the majority there, would the US willing grant them it? Would they tolerate other countries or organizations dictating what they should do?

What if those same majorities took up arms against the police and civilians and started to drive them out; would the US tolerate that? Of course not, they would go in with the army and round up all the terrorists.

That's exactly what Serbia tried to do but was punished by NATO (US) because it is the US' desire to try and appease the muslims. However you cannot ever satisfy them because they will always want more. What's happening in Serbia now with the muslims, is what will happen in the future for France, Germany, UK and other European countries with large muslim populations. They will always ask for more and if you keep giving it; they will continue to ask for it. If it's not givin to them, they will then try to take it by force like what's happened in Kosova.

What happens in Kosova can and most likely happen in other countries in the very near future. I wonder if those countries will be so quick and willing to allow partition of their own territories like they are for Serbia's?

legaleye

pre 17 godina

Wow. what profound piece of analysis. We don't know what Kostunica is going to do? Wow, that never occurred to me. However, there is one insight that the former ambassador is correct about and that is that the United States is answering all of the perplexing questions from their own perspective on the whole Kosovo question and not at all from the Serbian standpoint. That has been endemic with American Diplomacy and Intelligence since the end of the cold War. They never bother to open a history book to try and understand the people and culture their engaging. Hence, they truly believed Iraq's would greet them with flowers as liberators. The arrogance American diplomats and Intelligent officers exhibited during the Cold War was often excused in the adversarial nature of duel superpowers, but now we see that their arrogance was really ignorance. But then of course you do have diplomats like Mr. Montgomery that has a keen sense of the obvious.

Jovan

pre 17 godina

just saw Nick´s recommendation..

thanks, buddy, but, I leave it to the Albanians here to refer to pseudo-news... like some antiquarian assumptions in the encyclopedia brittanica..in it´s edition from 1911... :)

let´s be serious again,...
so, don´t worry, my portfolio is quite broad, by the way... that site you mentioned...

is linking up news-articles from all over the world, I cannot see koha ditore providing such a service...

the bottomline is: keep cool, nick... all will be fine, Serbia will give you broad autonomy and you will live in peace and prosperity.

last but not least, my dear friend,

is this a source serious enough for your?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22966948-7583,00.html

read it thouroughly, something like that is appearing more and more!
enjoy!

konstantin gregovic

pre 17 godina

RE: The Loser(s) of the illegal declaration of Kosovo

Dear Ambassador Montgomery,

The greatest losers of the illegal unilateral recognition of Kosovo will not be the Serbs, but the EU, UN, US , in fact th entire international rule of law and order.

The reaction of Serbia is supported by all parties, not only DSS and Kostunica. Serbia is united and this is shown with the passing of the intial draft of Kosovo and Metohojia, the integral part of Serbia.

The illegal unilateral declaration of independnace will result in the following:


(1) Closer Economic and Military relations between Serbia and Russia which may include Russian bases. Gazprom is close to finalizing the sale of the largest NIS based oil company.

(2) Trade sanctions on Kosovo

(3) Split of EU

(4) Further dissolving of the UN as the international body of law since 1945

(5) The complete disintegration of international order and law-in other words, anarchy.

(6) Freezing of the Nato Partnership of Peace Program

(7) Further disintigration of Southeastern European Policy with Greece and Rumania as well as Cyprus

The question to you is how the EU has forgotten what Hitler seized power in Czechoslovakia, raping the country and allowing the country to split!! Prime Minister Benes of Czechoslovakia must be turning in his grave as Runstedt watched him sign away his country. The EU will not see any Serbia leaders sign away Kosovo!!

Brocke Boucharde

pre 17 godina

If NATO and the US attempt to push Serbia out of Kosovo and to back Kosovar autonomy, then Putin or Medvedev should take the opportunity to send a big new message to Bush and the Globalists: "You will not see a repeat of 1999." Russia should back Serbia's armed forces if they have to secure Kosovo. Russia should also be shipping S-300 (and preferably S-400) AA systems into Serbia as fast as possible. Russia could also threaten to cut off natural gas supplies to Europe. It is time for Russia to support its Slav brothers and create a Slavic Monroe Doctrine for the Balkans: "Outsiders like NATO and the US will be slapped down if they invade Serbia again."

Hello to brave Serbian brothers & sisters.
--4th Generation US Citizen

Harry Cummins

pre 17 godina

From the looks of it, Mr. Montgomery is the type of person that sees patriotism if an American waves an American flag and nationalism if a Serbian waves a Serbian flag. He appears to hold Serbia to a double standard compared to other countries for some reason.

lowe

pre 17 godina

"For all those preaching the need to follow and not to break international laws and codes, i have only one question: where was the international law and order when needed in Srebrenica, Sarajevo and Vukovar? How come there was no anarchy in the world, as an answer to all the actions taken by the Serbian forces, ones that were obviously against international laws, declarations etc?
(me, 29 December 2007 00:48)"

me,

2 wrongs don't make a right. Assuming that Serbia under Milosevic did indeed break international law in the 1990s (which they have so far not been indicted by the World Court), it doesn't follow that the West is therefore now entitled to do the same. If the West does break international law now, they lose the very credibiity and moral high ground that were invoked back in 1999 as justification for attacking the Serbians, and which they still claim for themselves today.

Besa bese

pre 17 godina

You guys seem to forget the basic stuff. The US is not simply granting independance to Albanians just because they're asking for it, otherwiese every body could do so, Transnistria, Basks, whatever... The fact is that this is a new branch of International Law which is called remedial secession, a kind of soft law deemed to become hard law as usual. No one could say for instance that Spanish gvt expelled Basques from their homes, or that US gvt was treating its Hispanos as second class citizens, what actually happened to us while we were living in Prishtina as Albanians. At the end of the day there's a continuity in the State, this Serbian gvt is no less responsible that Slobo's gvt regarding International Law, am I right? So the point now for Serbs is to calm down the stuff and accept the mistakes done by others because we live in an internationalised system which involves respect of continuity of rights and obligations of the States. It's a bit like this famous Rousseau book "Le contrat social", I mean, this contrat social has been broken by years of discriminative policits towards Albanians in Kosovo. I still remember all our Serb friends eating with us in our garden, listening to Serbian music and dancing all night long, all together. This in some respect was showing that most Albos were supporting their (Belgrade) gvt but when discrimination arrives you break up this contrat social that ties the gvt to its population. If we want to push a bit further the comparison, we could even argue that Albanians have the right to the Tyrannicide like Hobes has stated it in his famous Leviathan, once we have agreed that we are ready to give some of our personnal soverignty to a superior power (Belgrade for the Albanians in KS) and this power uses this soverignty to humiliate you and kill members of your family without even respecting any single law of war (which could have helped the return of peace), at that moment you can kill the tyran whom you've given part of your soverignty. This is simply what is happening right now, we Albanians are killing the tyran.