Parties, citizens mark October 5

I wonder how many Serbs will go in the streets holding pictures of Mr Milosevic and cry? Even now the late president is seen as a true patriot!

"I wonder how many Serbs will go in the streets holding pictures of Mr Milosevic and cry?"

About one-fifth of those who will go to Novo Groblje to lay a wreath at Djindjic's grave and commemorate the uprising. Show a little optimism here Victor.

«About one-fifth of those who will go to Novo Groblje... »

I don't agree. I would say that about 1/3 would manifest somehow, Mike! Show a bit more realism, please!

Smile,

If you call the description of sad realities in Serbia "demonizing" than this demonizing of the current Serbia is still valid. Seven years after that fake event Serbia in many ways is still the same. Milosevic got replaced by Kostunica, who is everything but a democrat. The minorities on Southern Serbia and in Vojvodina are still treated as second class citizens. If I were a Serbian citizen I would be very depressed today by constating the growing gap in the last 7 years between the democratic, economic advances of some of the neighboring counties and
Serbia.

october 5 must have hurt serb haters as much as it did milosevic, didn't it. their one eternal excuse for demonizing the whole nation was gone. happy anniversary.

Happy anniversary! I just hope that you manage to leave Milosevic's mentality behind too.

"Milosevic got replaced by Kostunica, who is everything but a democrat. The minorities on Southern Serbia and in Vojvodina are still treated as second class citizens."

I don't care what kostunica is or isn't, i care about a democratic process that is proper in serbia today. no rigged ballots, no propaganda hysteria in the media. this means that serbia has come a long way. second class citizens, minorities?, that is malicious or/and ill informed to say the least. there is an osce mission in this country monitoring very closely the goingson as far as minorities go, to name one org, and i kidly ask you to show me one report that suggests anything of the second class citizens kind. second class attempt at propaganda against this country more like it. south-there's even multiehtnic police there to accommodate the minority. i don't suppose its something our officers who were victims in terrorist attacks there like, but they accept it cos thats the law. and i praise them for that.
if someone hides behind theminority badge and works against this country's very existence that is another matter. it is then criminal behaviour and has nothing to do with rights of anyone but the state to defend itself.
states have rights too you know.
i am a patriot as well as a democrat and am proud of our multiculturalism in serbia. and of our freedom and progress since 2000

If this is not ironic it is tragic. On this day people rose to oust a mad man and said no to him, only to replace him with people who still follow the same old failed policies in the region.

«I think my assessment is slightly more realistic than yours».

I think that Victor's assessment is more realistic. Sorry Mike, but you're too much conservative.

Little has changed because 1/3 of the Serbian public still votes for Seselj's Radicals and Milosevic's Socialists. (those that caused the wars of the 90s)

Had Serbia learnt anything then both parties today would have been made illegal like Hitler's Nazi party in Germany after the end of WW2.

One-third of those who will commemorate the uprising? OK. Sounds good to me, Victor. Want to haggle on one-fourth? It's a nice compromise between my initial one-fifth and your one-third. Either way, more people will be, and are, happy to see Milosevic gone than otherwise. I think my assessment is slightly more realistic than yours.

In fact, even better folks. Seeing as how this site is frequented by diaspora and people who don't live in Serbia (but claim to have better knowledge than thoses who do live there), check out the comment (if you can read Serbian) to get a better idea of what people think, and more importantly, where people stand on this issue, 7 years on http://www.b92.net/info/komentari.php?nav_id=266475#hrono

Ok Jason (or Victor), please provide me reliable facts and figures that show that the majority of public sentiment in Serbia is still in favor of Milosevic and the SPS over those of the democratic parties. Show me where there were actual rallies taking place in Serbia in defiance of the October 5 uprising and a call for the return of the harsh policies of Milosevic. It's one thing to say I'm wrong. It's quite another to show that I'm wrong. If you can show that I'm truly wrong, I'll happily recant my earlier statements.

It is a lie that Kostunica won the election. He got 48% of the votes, so there had to be a second round, and they violated democratic procedures. Heck, he wouldn't have gotten 20% if the west did not put tens of millions of dollars of investment into the opposition. B92 will probably block this post, as they were at the forefront of the american led champaign to rid the country of Milosevic, who was a good president.

I wonder how many Serbs will go in the streets holding pictures of Mr Milosevic and cry? Even now the late president is seen as a true patriot!

Smile,

If you call the description of sad realities in Serbia "demonizing" than this demonizing of the current Serbia is still valid. Seven years after that fake event Serbia in many ways is still the same. Milosevic got replaced by Kostunica, who is everything but a democrat. The minorities on Southern Serbia and in Vojvodina are still treated as second class citizens. If I were a Serbian citizen I would be very depressed today by constating the growing gap in the last 7 years between the democratic, economic advances of some of the neighboring counties and
Serbia.

Happy anniversary! I just hope that you manage to leave Milosevic's mentality behind too.

«About one-fifth of those who will go to Novo Groblje... »

I don't agree. I would say that about 1/3 would manifest somehow, Mike! Show a bit more realism, please!

If this is not ironic it is tragic. On this day people rose to oust a mad man and said no to him, only to replace him with people who still follow the same old failed policies in the region.

october 5 must have hurt serb haters as much as it did milosevic, didn't it. their one eternal excuse for demonizing the whole nation was gone. happy anniversary.

"I wonder how many Serbs will go in the streets holding pictures of Mr Milosevic and cry?"

About one-fifth of those who will go to Novo Groblje to lay a wreath at Djindjic's grave and commemorate the uprising. Show a little optimism here Victor.

"Milosevic got replaced by Kostunica, who is everything but a democrat. The minorities on Southern Serbia and in Vojvodina are still treated as second class citizens."

I don't care what kostunica is or isn't, i care about a democratic process that is proper in serbia today. no rigged ballots, no propaganda hysteria in the media. this means that serbia has come a long way. second class citizens, minorities?, that is malicious or/and ill informed to say the least. there is an osce mission in this country monitoring very closely the goingson as far as minorities go, to name one org, and i kidly ask you to show me one report that suggests anything of the second class citizens kind. second class attempt at propaganda against this country more like it. south-there's even multiehtnic police there to accommodate the minority. i don't suppose its something our officers who were victims in terrorist attacks there like, but they accept it cos thats the law. and i praise them for that.
if someone hides behind theminority badge and works against this country's very existence that is another matter. it is then criminal behaviour and has nothing to do with rights of anyone but the state to defend itself.
states have rights too you know.
i am a patriot as well as a democrat and am proud of our multiculturalism in serbia. and of our freedom and progress since 2000

One-third of those who will commemorate the uprising? OK. Sounds good to me, Victor. Want to haggle on one-fourth? It's a nice compromise between my initial one-fifth and your one-third. Either way, more people will be, and are, happy to see Milosevic gone than otherwise. I think my assessment is slightly more realistic than yours.

In fact, even better folks. Seeing as how this site is frequented by diaspora and people who don't live in Serbia (but claim to have better knowledge than thoses who do live there), check out the comment (if you can read Serbian) to get a better idea of what people think, and more importantly, where people stand on this issue, 7 years on http://www.b92.net/info/komentari.php?nav_id=266475#hrono

«I think my assessment is slightly more realistic than yours».

I think that Victor's assessment is more realistic. Sorry Mike, but you're too much conservative.

Little has changed because 1/3 of the Serbian public still votes for Seselj's Radicals and Milosevic's Socialists. (those that caused the wars of the 90s)

Had Serbia learnt anything then both parties today would have been made illegal like Hitler's Nazi party in Germany after the end of WW2.

Ok Jason (or Victor), please provide me reliable facts and figures that show that the majority of public sentiment in Serbia is still in favor of Milosevic and the SPS over those of the democratic parties. Show me where there were actual rallies taking place in Serbia in defiance of the October 5 uprising and a call for the return of the harsh policies of Milosevic. It's one thing to say I'm wrong. It's quite another to show that I'm wrong. If you can show that I'm truly wrong, I'll happily recant my earlier statements.

It is a lie that Kostunica won the election. He got 48% of the votes, so there had to be a second round, and they violated democratic procedures. Heck, he wouldn't have gotten 20% if the west did not put tens of millions of dollars of investment into the opposition. B92 will probably block this post, as they were at the forefront of the american led champaign to rid the country of Milosevic, who was a good president.