Supervised independence is not independence. It is like treating a child as a child.
What would be more grown up is to have autonomy under international guarantee and mature interaction between Kosovo and Serbia on matters such as ethnicity and economy.
Brown should note that the term ethnic cleansing was first applied to the cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo. The fact that there are not many Serbs left there now is thanks to the work of Albanian separatists, destroying the good-will that used to exist between neighbours through threats of violence. When he speaks of the residents of Kosovo he speaks of those who have remained - not of those who have been driven out over the years. He does not take account of those who have moved to Kosovo from Albania in who support the separatist and expansionist cause.
Nor does Brown justify the problems that will arise from such an outragous unprecedented precedent.
Independence as a reward for ethnic cleansing is something that Brown definitely should be asked to explain.
no Riley, the British could give back irish land...as much as you want... that doesn´t change a thing - they have no say about Kosmet. it´s serbian. and nobody can take it away. better to take care about your words, since you could create the impression as if Kosmet is subject of a deal or something like that.
Stevo
i am sorry to confuse you with you kind, what i meant by that was that you remind me of some 'kind' of people who like to imagine a distorted picture about a comment, in other word the propaganda kind of people who fuel other people to think not in a sober way. my comment had no race,religion, or ethnicity attached.
As for the catholics i was pointing out that in my opinion if the kosovars would have been another religion as to say catholic, but i could have said bhudists or other kind, the international community would have intervened. And the uk politicians would have used that as a pretext to something else, eg: we had to help our catholics instead of orthodox.
after reading your links, my view is still that you manipulated the real massage.
"The only reason that we intervened in Kosovo was to help the ethnic Albanians, who happen, as we all know, to be Muslims."
Of course nobody went in to serbia to support the serbian army cleanse the majority kosovars. In the way there could have been jewish cathlic hindu or budhists.
as for your second link, "perceived wider muslim audience" common, are we relying on perception here?
your previous comment "British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that."
This comment is still unjustified into my eyes. and thats why your kind is the kind of person that misleads other kind of people into different kind of things.
as i mentioned before this is a domino effect and no conspiracy, you can delay it or ignore it. but in Europe it is stated clearly what we want and need.
As for my kind, i am the kind that thinks europe is the territory for european countrys. And i think Kosovo has all the rights to independence.
no one cares about Martti Ahtisaari plan no more since he got 40 million dollars and the UK SHOULD TALK they should give ireland their land back its Irish not English then they could have a say.
Wow so out of date. Is this guy kidding. Bush said in Tirana that England is supporting their cause. He is reminding us of just how big of a pawn UK is. Maybe they r hoping this will hold the unilateral declarations at bay for a bit longer while they figure out how to abandon them. Russians not only rejected independence for Kosovo but have signed a decree for pulling out of the arms treaty exactly few weeks after the 4 month negotiating period. So we will see who is more important to Europe. Russia and Serbia with Kosovo as a EU protectorate. Or independent Kosovo and EUs complete loss of the Balkans as well as most of Eastern Europe. EU is not united on this and they know full well the consequences of a rift.
Here:
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030318/debtext/30318-15.htm
is a transcript from a British parliamentary debate where a British Labour Party politician, David Winnick, who supported the 2003 war on Iraq (the bogus WMD's one), is being defensive against potential accusations of a general anti-muslim policy by referring to the religion of Albanians of Kosovo province, because that serves as a political point for him.
Here:
http://clivesoleymp.typepad.com/clive_soley_mp/2006/09/muslim_news.html
Labour Party politician Lord Soley mentions "When the Serbs started on the Kosovo Muslims we did intervene. I was greatly relieved and so were the Muslims – particularly in Kosovo. Tony Blair was declared a hero by Kosovo Muslims." Yes, the muslims were "relieved", as well as the ones in Kosovo - implying, if I need to point it out for you, that there was a perceived wider muslim audience for his government's actions. Another political point by playing the religion trump card in relation to Kosovo.
I stand by what I say. Some British politicians are happy to point out that they are not anti-muslim nor the policies of their government and they have on a number of occasions referred to the muslims (ie. the Albanians) of Kosovo by religion when it has suited them in showing how nice they are for muslim peoples. I would also point out that the web is not the only source for news and you might get yourself hooked up to satellite if not in the UK to get TV programmes from there and witness the occasional variation on the "we fought for the muslims when we bombed Serbia over Kosovo" comment in news and magazine programmes that it is not possible to provide a web link for. Sometimes it isn't all written up on the web for you and sometimes it is. By the way, I did not mention Catholics at all - not relevant to the point I made of Kosovo's muslims as an example of Britains 'friendliness' towards some muslims when addressing questions about foreign policy against muslims in other parts of the world - and you have not completed a coherent sentence in the part when you mention Catholics, so I cannot address whatever point it is you were trying to make. You ambiguity is confusing.
As for your comment of confusing my "own kind", my "kind" is the human race. What kind is your kind?
Mr Brown is just reiterating that the solution must be through the UN irrespective of what ever that is at the time. Like Lowe states the Ahtisaari plan is dead since the Russians have been clear all the time so when teh Un gets onto Ahtisaari 'Lite +' i.e. "supervised autonomy" and respecting sovereignity then I guess Mr Brown can suggest a result he is pleased with and they can all give each otehr a pat on the back!
The compromise is clearly being forged in the UN that will take the form of administrational elements and protections of minorities contained in ahtisaari but respecting Serbia's sovereignity.
Supervised independence! Not a bad idea. It means independence just the same... in a near future. As long as the people from Kosovo get the independence they desserve for all those years of fear and violence by the Milosevic's terrorist regime.
Supervised Independece best ever solution for K-Serbs. Any other solution is worst for them.
UK, keep on doing the good work. Int. community needs countires like USA, UK Germany, France who are willing to stand against the state terror countries.
Serbian politics supporters. Stop putting fuel to fire. Dont suggest to Serbian people to live like under Serbian regime/isolation. Stop reminding them of the terror tthey have brought to balkans.
Yourselves are enjoying fine lives in West.
stevo
next time you write conspiricys like "British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that." please add a link couse you are confusing yourself and your own kind.
doing this for the muslims, becouse if kosovars were majority catholic Nato would have not intervened, please man be serious, dont shoot words like bullets, those days are over!
He's a bit out of date. The latest drafts of the resolution don't lead to the implementation of the 'A' Plan.
Sadly the UK is willing to follow whatever the US tells them to follow (at least for the time being). Even if they are a little behind with the thinking, but then Mr Brown's cabinet have had a lot of reading to catch up on.
precisely what i mean, all the European heads are confirming the support for independence and here they are scrutinized one by one from the serb side,
Kate and all you who wonder about international community, this is the international community, internationals, not your slavik brother russia only. Sometimes you mention china with its veto power, but you are far away from even them. I remember last week, the word was here that mr brown was going to change his foreign policy and you had hoped a little more from him, but that was all.
I will ask again which politician do you take seriously enough to come out and tell you the truth? The UN head, Nato, EU, Australia,east asia, Middle east, America? Canada? Or just good old brother russia who is getting a good reputation on the backs of the serbs? Give in to independence and haggle the international community for land and support till the teeth because russia will do it before you. And we kosovo needs strong neighbors.
Gordon's doing 'Saint Tony' a favour. I'm sure Mr Blair wouldn't want his street in Pec or cul-de-sac in Novo Brdo to come under threat.
Brown is at best a Scottish pen pusher, or, at worst, a weak man who cannot interfere with Blair's legacy for fear of splitting his party.
We were a big nation when we had North Sea Gas. Sadly we're gonna have to do business with the Ruskies soon. Blair said, towards the end of his reign, that Russia was wrong to use its abundance of natural resources to bully other nations. And theres me thinking that the was in Iraq was all about oil.
sorry Brown but Pax Britannia ended long time ago. The Russians have already declared Ahtisaari's proposals dead in the UNSC. He now learns the hard way on the consequences of insulting the Russians. It is more productive for you to look for some alternative.
If you see video of him, he even has the same rehearsed, exaggerated hand gestures as Blair! He should stop waving his thespian hands around for a moment ad explain why the word 'supervised' is used by him in the context of this article and is it the same kind of ineffective 'supervision' that Brown's British armed forces have been participating in Kosovo province for the past 8 years?
This is dirty politics at its best: America wants a long-term rent-free military base with Bondsteel, and the British want to 'magnanimously' give away Serbian land for goodwill to muslims whatever their nationality in the hope of perhaps placating the minority of extremists who blow up trains and buses in London and try to incinerate Glasgow airport recently. In past years, British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that. Presumably, the British want to illegally hive off Kosovo from Serbia in the vain hope that any minority extremists will ignore what the British are doing in Iraq and change their minds away from causing any deadly mischief?
Supervised independence! Not a bad idea. It means independence just the same... in a near future. As long as the people from Kosovo get the independence they desserve for all those years of fear and violence by the Milosevic's terrorist regime.
He's a bit out of date. The latest drafts of the resolution don't lead to the implementation of the 'A' Plan.
Sadly the UK is willing to follow whatever the US tells them to follow (at least for the time being). Even if they are a little behind with the thinking, but then Mr Brown's cabinet have had a lot of reading to catch up on.
stevo
next time you write conspiricys like "British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that." please add a link couse you are confusing yourself and your own kind.
doing this for the muslims, becouse if kosovars were majority catholic Nato would have not intervened, please man be serious, dont shoot words like bullets, those days are over!
sorry Brown but Pax Britannia ended long time ago. The Russians have already declared Ahtisaari's proposals dead in the UNSC. He now learns the hard way on the consequences of insulting the Russians. It is more productive for you to look for some alternative.
precisely what i mean, all the European heads are confirming the support for independence and here they are scrutinized one by one from the serb side,
Kate and all you who wonder about international community, this is the international community, internationals, not your slavik brother russia only. Sometimes you mention china with its veto power, but you are far away from even them. I remember last week, the word was here that mr brown was going to change his foreign policy and you had hoped a little more from him, but that was all.
I will ask again which politician do you take seriously enough to come out and tell you the truth? The UN head, Nato, EU, Australia,east asia, Middle east, America? Canada? Or just good old brother russia who is getting a good reputation on the backs of the serbs? Give in to independence and haggle the international community for land and support till the teeth because russia will do it before you. And we kosovo needs strong neighbors.
If you see video of him, he even has the same rehearsed, exaggerated hand gestures as Blair! He should stop waving his thespian hands around for a moment ad explain why the word 'supervised' is used by him in the context of this article and is it the same kind of ineffective 'supervision' that Brown's British armed forces have been participating in Kosovo province for the past 8 years?
This is dirty politics at its best: America wants a long-term rent-free military base with Bondsteel, and the British want to 'magnanimously' give away Serbian land for goodwill to muslims whatever their nationality in the hope of perhaps placating the minority of extremists who blow up trains and buses in London and try to incinerate Glasgow airport recently. In past years, British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that. Presumably, the British want to illegally hive off Kosovo from Serbia in the vain hope that any minority extremists will ignore what the British are doing in Iraq and change their minds away from causing any deadly mischief?
Here:
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030318/debtext/30318-15.htm
is a transcript from a British parliamentary debate where a British Labour Party politician, David Winnick, who supported the 2003 war on Iraq (the bogus WMD's one), is being defensive against potential accusations of a general anti-muslim policy by referring to the religion of Albanians of Kosovo province, because that serves as a political point for him.
Here:
http://clivesoleymp.typepad.com/clive_soley_mp/2006/09/muslim_news.html
Labour Party politician Lord Soley mentions "When the Serbs started on the Kosovo Muslims we did intervene. I was greatly relieved and so were the Muslims – particularly in Kosovo. Tony Blair was declared a hero by Kosovo Muslims." Yes, the muslims were "relieved", as well as the ones in Kosovo - implying, if I need to point it out for you, that there was a perceived wider muslim audience for his government's actions. Another political point by playing the religion trump card in relation to Kosovo.
I stand by what I say. Some British politicians are happy to point out that they are not anti-muslim nor the policies of their government and they have on a number of occasions referred to the muslims (ie. the Albanians) of Kosovo by religion when it has suited them in showing how nice they are for muslim peoples. I would also point out that the web is not the only source for news and you might get yourself hooked up to satellite if not in the UK to get TV programmes from there and witness the occasional variation on the "we fought for the muslims when we bombed Serbia over Kosovo" comment in news and magazine programmes that it is not possible to provide a web link for. Sometimes it isn't all written up on the web for you and sometimes it is. By the way, I did not mention Catholics at all - not relevant to the point I made of Kosovo's muslims as an example of Britains 'friendliness' towards some muslims when addressing questions about foreign policy against muslims in other parts of the world - and you have not completed a coherent sentence in the part when you mention Catholics, so I cannot address whatever point it is you were trying to make. You ambiguity is confusing.
As for your comment of confusing my "own kind", my "kind" is the human race. What kind is your kind?
Supervised Independece best ever solution for K-Serbs. Any other solution is worst for them.
UK, keep on doing the good work. Int. community needs countires like USA, UK Germany, France who are willing to stand against the state terror countries.
Serbian politics supporters. Stop putting fuel to fire. Dont suggest to Serbian people to live like under Serbian regime/isolation. Stop reminding them of the terror tthey have brought to balkans.
Yourselves are enjoying fine lives in West.
Mr Brown is just reiterating that the solution must be through the UN irrespective of what ever that is at the time. Like Lowe states the Ahtisaari plan is dead since the Russians have been clear all the time so when teh Un gets onto Ahtisaari 'Lite +' i.e. "supervised autonomy" and respecting sovereignity then I guess Mr Brown can suggest a result he is pleased with and they can all give each otehr a pat on the back!
The compromise is clearly being forged in the UN that will take the form of administrational elements and protections of minorities contained in ahtisaari but respecting Serbia's sovereignity.
no one cares about Martti Ahtisaari plan no more since he got 40 million dollars and the UK SHOULD TALK they should give ireland their land back its Irish not English then they could have a say.
Stevo
i am sorry to confuse you with you kind, what i meant by that was that you remind me of some 'kind' of people who like to imagine a distorted picture about a comment, in other word the propaganda kind of people who fuel other people to think not in a sober way. my comment had no race,religion, or ethnicity attached.
As for the catholics i was pointing out that in my opinion if the kosovars would have been another religion as to say catholic, but i could have said bhudists or other kind, the international community would have intervened. And the uk politicians would have used that as a pretext to something else, eg: we had to help our catholics instead of orthodox.
after reading your links, my view is still that you manipulated the real massage.
"The only reason that we intervened in Kosovo was to help the ethnic Albanians, who happen, as we all know, to be Muslims."
Of course nobody went in to serbia to support the serbian army cleanse the majority kosovars. In the way there could have been jewish cathlic hindu or budhists.
as for your second link, "perceived wider muslim audience" common, are we relying on perception here?
your previous comment "British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that."
This comment is still unjustified into my eyes. and thats why your kind is the kind of person that misleads other kind of people into different kind of things.
as i mentioned before this is a domino effect and no conspiracy, you can delay it or ignore it. but in Europe it is stated clearly what we want and need.
As for my kind, i am the kind that thinks europe is the territory for european countrys. And i think Kosovo has all the rights to independence.
Gordon's doing 'Saint Tony' a favour. I'm sure Mr Blair wouldn't want his street in Pec or cul-de-sac in Novo Brdo to come under threat.
Brown is at best a Scottish pen pusher, or, at worst, a weak man who cannot interfere with Blair's legacy for fear of splitting his party.
We were a big nation when we had North Sea Gas. Sadly we're gonna have to do business with the Ruskies soon. Blair said, towards the end of his reign, that Russia was wrong to use its abundance of natural resources to bully other nations. And theres me thinking that the was in Iraq was all about oil.
Wow so out of date. Is this guy kidding. Bush said in Tirana that England is supporting their cause. He is reminding us of just how big of a pawn UK is. Maybe they r hoping this will hold the unilateral declarations at bay for a bit longer while they figure out how to abandon them. Russians not only rejected independence for Kosovo but have signed a decree for pulling out of the arms treaty exactly few weeks after the 4 month negotiating period. So we will see who is more important to Europe. Russia and Serbia with Kosovo as a EU protectorate. Or independent Kosovo and EUs complete loss of the Balkans as well as most of Eastern Europe. EU is not united on this and they know full well the consequences of a rift.
Supervised independence is not independence. It is like treating a child as a child.
What would be more grown up is to have autonomy under international guarantee and mature interaction between Kosovo and Serbia on matters such as ethnicity and economy.
Brown should note that the term ethnic cleansing was first applied to the cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo. The fact that there are not many Serbs left there now is thanks to the work of Albanian separatists, destroying the good-will that used to exist between neighbours through threats of violence. When he speaks of the residents of Kosovo he speaks of those who have remained - not of those who have been driven out over the years. He does not take account of those who have moved to Kosovo from Albania in who support the separatist and expansionist cause.
Nor does Brown justify the problems that will arise from such an outragous unprecedented precedent.
Independence as a reward for ethnic cleansing is something that Brown definitely should be asked to explain.
no Riley, the British could give back irish land...as much as you want... that doesn´t change a thing - they have no say about Kosmet. it´s serbian. and nobody can take it away. better to take care about your words, since you could create the impression as if Kosmet is subject of a deal or something like that.
If you see video of him, he even has the same rehearsed, exaggerated hand gestures as Blair! He should stop waving his thespian hands around for a moment ad explain why the word 'supervised' is used by him in the context of this article and is it the same kind of ineffective 'supervision' that Brown's British armed forces have been participating in Kosovo province for the past 8 years?
This is dirty politics at its best: America wants a long-term rent-free military base with Bondsteel, and the British want to 'magnanimously' give away Serbian land for goodwill to muslims whatever their nationality in the hope of perhaps placating the minority of extremists who blow up trains and buses in London and try to incinerate Glasgow airport recently. In past years, British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that. Presumably, the British want to illegally hive off Kosovo from Serbia in the vain hope that any minority extremists will ignore what the British are doing in Iraq and change their minds away from causing any deadly mischief?
sorry Brown but Pax Britannia ended long time ago. The Russians have already declared Ahtisaari's proposals dead in the UNSC. He now learns the hard way on the consequences of insulting the Russians. It is more productive for you to look for some alternative.
He's a bit out of date. The latest drafts of the resolution don't lead to the implementation of the 'A' Plan.
Sadly the UK is willing to follow whatever the US tells them to follow (at least for the time being). Even if they are a little behind with the thinking, but then Mr Brown's cabinet have had a lot of reading to catch up on.
Gordon's doing 'Saint Tony' a favour. I'm sure Mr Blair wouldn't want his street in Pec or cul-de-sac in Novo Brdo to come under threat.
Brown is at best a Scottish pen pusher, or, at worst, a weak man who cannot interfere with Blair's legacy for fear of splitting his party.
We were a big nation when we had North Sea Gas. Sadly we're gonna have to do business with the Ruskies soon. Blair said, towards the end of his reign, that Russia was wrong to use its abundance of natural resources to bully other nations. And theres me thinking that the was in Iraq was all about oil.
Mr Brown is just reiterating that the solution must be through the UN irrespective of what ever that is at the time. Like Lowe states the Ahtisaari plan is dead since the Russians have been clear all the time so when teh Un gets onto Ahtisaari 'Lite +' i.e. "supervised autonomy" and respecting sovereignity then I guess Mr Brown can suggest a result he is pleased with and they can all give each otehr a pat on the back!
The compromise is clearly being forged in the UN that will take the form of administrational elements and protections of minorities contained in ahtisaari but respecting Serbia's sovereignity.
no one cares about Martti Ahtisaari plan no more since he got 40 million dollars and the UK SHOULD TALK they should give ireland their land back its Irish not English then they could have a say.
Supervised independence! Not a bad idea. It means independence just the same... in a near future. As long as the people from Kosovo get the independence they desserve for all those years of fear and violence by the Milosevic's terrorist regime.
Wow so out of date. Is this guy kidding. Bush said in Tirana that England is supporting their cause. He is reminding us of just how big of a pawn UK is. Maybe they r hoping this will hold the unilateral declarations at bay for a bit longer while they figure out how to abandon them. Russians not only rejected independence for Kosovo but have signed a decree for pulling out of the arms treaty exactly few weeks after the 4 month negotiating period. So we will see who is more important to Europe. Russia and Serbia with Kosovo as a EU protectorate. Or independent Kosovo and EUs complete loss of the Balkans as well as most of Eastern Europe. EU is not united on this and they know full well the consequences of a rift.
precisely what i mean, all the European heads are confirming the support for independence and here they are scrutinized one by one from the serb side,
Kate and all you who wonder about international community, this is the international community, internationals, not your slavik brother russia only. Sometimes you mention china with its veto power, but you are far away from even them. I remember last week, the word was here that mr brown was going to change his foreign policy and you had hoped a little more from him, but that was all.
I will ask again which politician do you take seriously enough to come out and tell you the truth? The UN head, Nato, EU, Australia,east asia, Middle east, America? Canada? Or just good old brother russia who is getting a good reputation on the backs of the serbs? Give in to independence and haggle the international community for land and support till the teeth because russia will do it before you. And we kosovo needs strong neighbors.
Supervised Independece best ever solution for K-Serbs. Any other solution is worst for them.
UK, keep on doing the good work. Int. community needs countires like USA, UK Germany, France who are willing to stand against the state terror countries.
Serbian politics supporters. Stop putting fuel to fire. Dont suggest to Serbian people to live like under Serbian regime/isolation. Stop reminding them of the terror tthey have brought to balkans.
Yourselves are enjoying fine lives in West.
Stevo
i am sorry to confuse you with you kind, what i meant by that was that you remind me of some 'kind' of people who like to imagine a distorted picture about a comment, in other word the propaganda kind of people who fuel other people to think not in a sober way. my comment had no race,religion, or ethnicity attached.
As for the catholics i was pointing out that in my opinion if the kosovars would have been another religion as to say catholic, but i could have said bhudists or other kind, the international community would have intervened. And the uk politicians would have used that as a pretext to something else, eg: we had to help our catholics instead of orthodox.
after reading your links, my view is still that you manipulated the real massage.
"The only reason that we intervened in Kosovo was to help the ethnic Albanians, who happen, as we all know, to be Muslims."
Of course nobody went in to serbia to support the serbian army cleanse the majority kosovars. In the way there could have been jewish cathlic hindu or budhists.
as for your second link, "perceived wider muslim audience" common, are we relying on perception here?
your previous comment "British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that."
This comment is still unjustified into my eyes. and thats why your kind is the kind of person that misleads other kind of people into different kind of things.
as i mentioned before this is a domino effect and no conspiracy, you can delay it or ignore it. but in Europe it is stated clearly what we want and need.
As for my kind, i am the kind that thinks europe is the territory for european countrys. And i think Kosovo has all the rights to independence.
stevo
next time you write conspiricys like "British politicians have said, by way of justification, that they went to war in Kosovo for the muslims and that muslims everywhere should recognize that." please add a link couse you are confusing yourself and your own kind.
doing this for the muslims, becouse if kosovars were majority catholic Nato would have not intervened, please man be serious, dont shoot words like bullets, those days are over!
Here:
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030318/debtext/30318-15.htm
is a transcript from a British parliamentary debate where a British Labour Party politician, David Winnick, who supported the 2003 war on Iraq (the bogus WMD's one), is being defensive against potential accusations of a general anti-muslim policy by referring to the religion of Albanians of Kosovo province, because that serves as a political point for him.
Here:
http://clivesoleymp.typepad.com/clive_soley_mp/2006/09/muslim_news.html
Labour Party politician Lord Soley mentions "When the Serbs started on the Kosovo Muslims we did intervene. I was greatly relieved and so were the Muslims – particularly in Kosovo. Tony Blair was declared a hero by Kosovo Muslims." Yes, the muslims were "relieved", as well as the ones in Kosovo - implying, if I need to point it out for you, that there was a perceived wider muslim audience for his government's actions. Another political point by playing the religion trump card in relation to Kosovo.
I stand by what I say. Some British politicians are happy to point out that they are not anti-muslim nor the policies of their government and they have on a number of occasions referred to the muslims (ie. the Albanians) of Kosovo by religion when it has suited them in showing how nice they are for muslim peoples. I would also point out that the web is not the only source for news and you might get yourself hooked up to satellite if not in the UK to get TV programmes from there and witness the occasional variation on the "we fought for the muslims when we bombed Serbia over Kosovo" comment in news and magazine programmes that it is not possible to provide a web link for. Sometimes it isn't all written up on the web for you and sometimes it is. By the way, I did not mention Catholics at all - not relevant to the point I made of Kosovo's muslims as an example of Britains 'friendliness' towards some muslims when addressing questions about foreign policy against muslims in other parts of the world - and you have not completed a coherent sentence in the part when you mention Catholics, so I cannot address whatever point it is you were trying to make. You ambiguity is confusing.
As for your comment of confusing my "own kind", my "kind" is the human race. What kind is your kind?
no Riley, the British could give back irish land...as much as you want... that doesn´t change a thing - they have no say about Kosmet. it´s serbian. and nobody can take it away. better to take care about your words, since you could create the impression as if Kosmet is subject of a deal or something like that.
Supervised independence is not independence. It is like treating a child as a child.
What would be more grown up is to have autonomy under international guarantee and mature interaction between Kosovo and Serbia on matters such as ethnicity and economy.
Brown should note that the term ethnic cleansing was first applied to the cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo. The fact that there are not many Serbs left there now is thanks to the work of Albanian separatists, destroying the good-will that used to exist between neighbours through threats of violence. When he speaks of the residents of Kosovo he speaks of those who have remained - not of those who have been driven out over the years. He does not take account of those who have moved to Kosovo from Albania in who support the separatist and expansionist cause.
Nor does Brown justify the problems that will arise from such an outragous unprecedented precedent.
Independence as a reward for ethnic cleansing is something that Brown definitely should be asked to explain.
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