Half a million Serbian citizens live in "absolute poverty"

What happened? Vucic every day says Serbia is number one in region 😬
(Avni, 18 October 2018 15:13)

I am pretty sure that half a million of absolutely poor Serbs lifts the bar to European level now.

The region is to small field for Serbia's achievements!

Next stop - world level.

(sj, 18 October 2018 10:28)
(sj, 18 October 2018 11:12)

My prophecy speedily fulfilled.

And we're supposed to believe that he is a commercial banker! Yes, they all have plenty of time to sit at a desk waiting for the next b92 article so that they can post the first response to it! But I do believe that he works at a commercial bank...sweeping the floors! :)
(JS, 18 October 2018 12:02)

Let's be fair. After 25 years working for the bank, most likely he is trusted with managerial responsibilities in bank's mop-an-bucket department. I bet he has reached the master mopper title.

So, although our little sj killed himself investing heavily his fictive fund, his fictive money yielded only half a million of hungry Serbs?! Well, following our little sj's twisted logic, if he invests more aggressively he will be able to include all the Serbs in the "absolute poverty" category. Somehow, more he invests - hungrier the Serbs end up.

Or, perhaps a visit to a shrink could improve our little sj's investment strategies.

Awaiting the fake news posts from the resident Russian trolls explaining why none of these people are actually poor (because they live at home in some fabulous house with their parents), or claiming that there are more poor people in countries like France, Germany, the Netherlands but definitely none in Russia, Venezuela, Syria, or Cuba! :)

What happened? Vucic every day says Serbia is number one in region 😬

(sj, 18 October 2018 10:28)
(sj, 18 October 2018 11:12)

My prophecy speedily fulfilled.

And we're supposed to believe that he is a commercial banker! Yes, they all have plenty of time to sit at a desk waiting for the next b92 article so that they can post the first response to it! But I do believe that he works at a commercial bank...sweeping the floors! :)

SJ so your argument for this is that this news is 10 years and a rerun of an old article. Do you see the stupidity in these. Because somebody said 10 years ago half a million people where poor, you cant Say the same to day? Your concern should be what has the goverment done in these 10 year to eradicate poverty and or how will these look like in 10 years instead of only "Kosovo je Srbija" do those parents who send their children to bed every night at bed care who Kosovo belongs to? Or do the family to the man who took his life over a debt to electric company come back to life og Kosovo becomes Serbia? Istead of wasting time with Something thats not in their control, they should start taking ofthe country and people who i left in Serbia. Kosovo is gone and Today we took the first step in creating an army. And this article will probably not get any attention Even though it is more importent and near Serb everyday life.

Let’s hear it one more time... 😂😂😂

“If Serbia were a part of the European Union, it would be its poorest member.”

🇷🇸 Celebrating Defeats Since 1389 🇷🇸

SJ the delusional make believe “ financial wizard” bye day and floor scrubber by night had us to believe foreigners where tripping over each other making “investments in Serbia” when in reality over 12% of the country is starving !

Greece would live the Serbs in the EU since misery loves company.

Is Greece going to show the Serbs how to cook the books to fraudulently enter the EU as they did?

I think foreigners were Tripping over the hundreds of thousands poor Serbs begging in the streets like their cousins do everyday in Romania 🇷🇴 Gypsy nation.

(Tito reloaded, 18 October 2018 16:28)

But sj doesn't agree with you. For example, we import watermelon from Macedonia. Why? Probably because we're so busy working at better paying jobs that we can afford to pay the Macedonians to pick fruit for us...

Half millions of Serbians live in proverty and this guy Vucic goes to Russia buys old junk Military aquipmen plane and tanks he should stat fitting poor serbs with food. Serbia government should start taking care people because dose not metter how much wapeens you have Army not going to fight hungry with no food empty stomach.

USA Stand with Albanians :

🇷🇸Celebrating defeats since 1389🇷🇸...

We must use caution when we repeat their historical and traditional slogan without permission,Slav Serbs ,having taught generations after generations this fascination with losing but not in the mind of a stubborn Serb peasant ,
could be patented and trade marked ha ha ha 😂!

Can we all just for a day forget everything else and remember in silence that eradicating poverty is OUR major priority? Can we find a common ground at least on this? Can we remember Ardit Gjoklaj 17-years old boy who was killed by the machines while working in a landfill near Tirana and died like and among the trash and nobody besides poor parents and some good youngsters cried for him? Nobody paid for his death. Can somebody translate "kafshate qe s'kaperdihet asht or vlla mjerimi kafshate qe te ngec ne fyt e te ze trishtimi kur sheh ftyra te zbehta e sy t'jeshilta.. if we loose this challenge we better disappear from the earth!!

Awaiting the fake news posts from the resident Russian trolls explaining why none of these people are actually poor (because they live at home in some fabulous house with their parents), or claiming that there are more poor people in countries like France, Germany, the Netherlands but definitely none in Russia, Venezuela, Syria, or Cuba! :)
(JS, 18 October 2018 10:37)

Ramush there is no doubt that Serbia has poverty, but this story is about 10 years old and a rerun. However, what it is amazing is that the US has 102 million living on or below the poverty line and very little is mentioned in the "free" western press of this fact. That millions live off food coupons and of course your famous tent cities.

Isn't the government saying that economy grows and workers need to be imported?
Or is it growing and some rich are living on the back of the labours? Do not forget minimum salaries are below chinas plus many people have not even social security.
Low salaries comparing to other countries would not be a problem if it is enough to pay your bills and buy food from it. How many retired people would starve without support from their children?
Flat tax is one of the crimes against labour with low income. Considering value added tax they pay in percentage more tax than people like Miskovic. And he would not have that much money without so many people working for low money for him.
Before somebody screams about bad communist idea. There are western states that have this kind of tax system to keep the social peace.

@js: sj seems to me a little bit wirred. But honestly I am not sure how much of the people posting here were more than 3 weeks per year in the region in the last 10 years.
Our watermelons grow on our ground like many other fruits, maybe sj has no place to grow fruits himself or he has no idea about that. At lesst he knows what is written in certain newspapers. :)

"The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism, not that I am a Communist or believe in it - its a nice theory but you can never put it into practice. Once it fell the lunatics in the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive, and if you’re looking for social justice or justice of any kind that depends on how much money you have. And it gets worse every year. The west was a haven but not today."

Your obsession with and hatred toward "the West" knows no limits. It is not possible to have a dialogue with someone in this condition.

Things are actually moving at a much faster pace in Kosova’s favor under the Trump years! Thank you Serbia for supporting Trump! We loved the Trump shirts that were made that seslj made his goons wear:)

Regarding Austria, their weapons will be kindly appreciated when they begin selling them and donating them to the Kosovar ARMY. The nice part about starting out small with a 5000 man army will be the ability to outfit them with the BEST weapons the world has to offer and training. From there, they will take that knowledge the West has provided in training and tactics, then become trainers for the enlargement of the Armed Forces in the future. Serbia has nothing to fear though because they want peace with their neighbors and would never invade or start trouble in Kosova, right?

Jokes on you Serbia. While you “wait” for the right time to invade, Kosovars will be preparing, training and building up their Armed Forces. Future generations of Serbs will not be willing to die for Kosova because they will not identify with it... However, everyone knows Kosovar Albanians are willing to put heir lives on the line for their homeland.

Greetings from Chicago fellow Albanians🤝

This is a very old story - about 10 years ago.

Today we took the first step in creating an army. And this article will probably not get any attention Even though it is more importent and near Serb everyday life.
(OMG SERIOSLY, 18 October 2018 14:35)

To create an army you have to get agreement of all peoples living in Kosovo otherwise nothing. Even if you want to change the constitution you need all peoples living in Kosovo to agree.

There are no jobs in Kosovo but you want to create an army and they talk about poverty in Serbia while Kosova prospers. Is it a full moon today?

B92,

Please re-read what you wrote and all the reactions.


What was written:

500K Serb citizens and among them 400K Serb children live in absolute poverty.

Do the math, please. Obviously, if a child is in absolute poverty - so it child's family. From the article we see, there are 100K adults in Serbia who live in absolute poverty: 500 - 400 = 100.

The minority of children are in orphanages. Serbian orphanage is no fun - but that is something else.

Same about adults in elderly homes or under special care.

A better wording would be: 'roughly 45000 Serbian families live in absolute poverty'.


How many children these families do have?

The same math gives us at least nine, as there are 400000 children in question.

The math of this barely adds. The only logical conclusion I do see if we state:

'The majority of Serbian Rom population lives in absolute poverty'.

Which is essentially correct.


The article misses much more.

As Sken 1444 many times wrote here: the food prices in the region are higher, than in the West. The conditions of regular people are much worse. Everyone and their dog dreams how to immigrate.

This is not restricted to Serbia.

From certain point of vew - everyone in the region lives in poverty.

(Tito reloaded, 19 October 2018 13:08)

I was there for family reasons but I found out what I needed to know in the first 2 months. I have since kept in contact with family members and they keep me up to date.
Government come and go but at least this lot are producing some results unlike the ones in the past.
The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism, not that I am a Communist or believe in it - its a nice theory but you can never put it into practice. Once it fell the lunatics in the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive, and if you’re looking for social justice or justice of any kind that depends on how much money you have. And it gets worse every year. The west was a haven but not today.

Miss Yugoslavia yet? I bet you all do, things were much better for everyone!

(Honcho, 20 October 2018 23:32)

Sadly, the 102 million is on the mark.
Teachers in Oklahoma went on strike on 4 April 2018 to call for better funding of education and salaries. Teachers in Kentucky and Arizona followed.

These teachers are so drastically underpaid they are forced to donate plasma, work multiple jobs, and go to food pantries to provide for their families. They live on $33,000 per year.

US now has an abundance of jobs at either $7.50 ($15,600 yearly) or $12.50 an hour ($26,000. These are working poor rates. They barely earn enough to cover rent, utilities, cloths and food. Last year I drove through middle America and I can tell you that good food is not cheap, but crap is. US household debt is enormous due people borrowing because household savings were wiped out after the GFC in 2008. Today, 75% of fulltime workers live from pay-day to pay-day.

Proper official Stats on poverty are like stats on unemployment and if you believe that the US has only 4% unemployed then the tooth fairy lives on the moon. You only have to “work” one hour per week and your not unemployed. You stop looking for work and you are off government records.

(JS, 22 October 2018 03:36)

Yep working for $12.50 an hour is living high on the hog. The operative words are “as long as you work hard to manage it”.

That’s working two or three jobs. Maybe you are right I could be out of step here since I find working more than one job very odd and don’t count that as a good life.

(Tito reloaded, 18 October 2018 19:48)

My little Albo I spent 6 months in Serbia in 2015. So I’d say I am qualified to say a few things about that country.
I know for a fact that Serbia also at times imports potatoes from Bulgaria and milk simply because the number of Serbian farmers are falling and the Government has only recently started to provide assistance for young people to stay in villages rather than leave for the cities. That’s why I know people like JS does not live in Serbia.
I do know what is written in certain newspapers because I can read which I cant say the same for you.

@sj: wow 6 months in 2015. I am impressed. Since January 2015 I spend around 35 months in serbia and quiet a lot before.

As you may know we live in a world were trade over borders is a normal thing. Importing food from other countries does not say anything about if peoole in country is rich or poor.
You know there are many parameters. Like costs/unit, median income instead of average income, social system, infrastructure,...
I dislike the government a lot but at least infrastructure projects are on the way.
The social fairness on the other side is a topic they avoid, like it is not on there agenda.

(JS, 18 October 2018 12:02)

Let's be fair. After 25 years working for the bank, most likely he is trusted with managerial responsibilities in bank's mop-an-bucket department. I bet he has reached the master mopper title.
(Tom L'Orizi, 18 October 2018 12:53)

Two of our leading clowns LOL. One who prophesies and lives in Serbia tilling grandpa’s lands, but no one knows what prophies he is on about, and our resident fictive Italian Albo who constantly looks for big words in a dictionary to impress everyone about its intelligence. But when you scratch the surface not one has a clue what they are talking about; not a blessed clue.
Yep I sweep the floors with a mop and clean desks. Hey not everyone can earn the big bucks LOL.

So, although our little sj killed himself investing heavily his fictive fund, his fictive money yielded only half a million of hungry Serbs?! Well, following our little sj's twisted logic, if he invests more aggressively he will be able to include all the Serbs in the "absolute poverty" category. Somehow, more he invests - hungrier the Serbs end up.

Or, perhaps a visit to a shrink could improve our little sj's investment strategies.
(Tom L'Orizi, 18 October 2018 12:33)

This is a fine example of when you can’t debate with facts you revert to this gibberish.
Well don’t oh big bro of icj1 who is the undisputed king of gibberish – it must run in the family. Well at least you have your cousin JS, who lives in Serbia, to help you along LOL.

It never occurred to me but are you are that wrinting this stuff makes you look very clownish? Maybe you didn't.

(Azir, 18 October 2018 16:31)

Abdul as long as they don’t beg in Kosova where riches and wealth abound since 1999, but wait what did that man say to the NYT?
“I swear to God, if it wasn’t for all those who have laid down their lives for this, I would say let’s go back to the way it was before. “We had a better life then; we had more opportunities.”
What? Albos had a better life then and more opportunity.

Then “For as long as we are stuck in this ghetto, we will have problems,” Arben Berisha, the chairman of the Arsenal supporters club in Kosovo.
Yeah its freedom LOL.

In Romania minimum salary in 2020 550 euro and they will grow the pensions more than double link in English . In 2018 average pensions 1250 lei => 270 euro

As for the poverty from Serbia , real poverty is in Albania and Ukraine at least Serbia gouverment collect 40%


https://www.rferl.org/a/romanian-government-approves-plan-more-than-double-state-pensions-2022/29537355.html

" Romania's government has approved a plan to more than double state pensions

Under the plan approved on October 10, pension-related spending would rise steeply to 142 billion lei ($35 billion) by 2022, from about 62 billion lei this year. "

Your obsession with and hatred toward "the West" knows no limits. It is not possible to have a dialogue with someone in this condition.
(JS, 19 October 2018 19:35)


No wrong again. Once the opposition disappeared people got screwed. That’s why you have an overabundance of jobs at the $7.50 and $12.50 in the US. Every time these poor people ask for an increase out comers this cry “we can’t afford it” LOL.
In the US the last time wage earners got a real wage rise was in the 1980s. That’s my point.

Ataman,
You are correct, if you are a greedy foreigner, not wiling to contribute for all that America has allowed you to benefit, you will soon be found out, as you have discovered.

Your obsession with and hatred toward "the West" knows no limits. It is not possible to have a dialogue with someone in this condition.
(JS, 19 October 2018 19:35)
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Yeah, I know it's impossible for you to have a discussion with someone who has the facts to argue with.
You call presenting the facts as hatred. It's not, it's just the truth.
There are many who live well in the west and there are many who are on the streets, just like in the east.

Honcho,

"...regarding salaries, corporate BS and other "niceties" of the life in the States SJ is largely correct. This is why I am not there."

By the looks of things, corporate life in Serbia is just as corrupt. Considering that businessmen bought state industries for a little bit of nothing, turned around and sold the tools for more than they paid for the company, and immediately closed the business, I wouldn't be surprised if corporate culture here is worse than in the States.

"Don't get me wrong: the life in the States is much better, than in this part of the Europe... as long as you work hard to manage it."

Everyone knows this except sj.

"The best deal is to be American outside of America...All my Dollars have better value to be spent somewhere else."

Because of the strength of the dollar.

"One more downside for JS: this fact is known for some more Americans...Lucky you if they do not have any political influence...One more hint: if you go to any bar in Southern Serbia infested be these parasites - I am not there. Last time I visited a bar was maybe few decades ago... for a few minutes. But you can see these expat "experts" everywhere in Belgrade, Moscow, Berlin, etc."

I don't go to bars and I don't live in a city, so I don't know. I haven't met any on the street when I was in town.

Half millions of Serbians live in proverty and this guy Vucic goes to Russia buys old junk Military aquipmen plane and tanks he should stat fitting poor serbs with food
(Bob, 21 October 2018 08:07)

Please do the math. I can't say much about military, but "500K Serbs living in poverty" is a very interesting topic.

As it was mentioned, 400K out of them are children.

That means, we are talking about roughly 40000 families. Correct?

100 = 500 - 400, so there are 100K adults affected. Deduct elderly in special homes, mentally ill, homeless and so on - you will get propably 40K adult couples.

These 40K adult couples have 400K children. Even if you deduct children in orphanages, homeless, etc - you will still have 9 kids / family.

This is obvious, who in Serbia has 9 kids in family: Roms and some Albanians. You can remove Albanians because even if they have no income, their relatives worldwide help them, they do not live in poverty.

Remains: 40,000 Rom families with 9+ kids in family.

You can give them as much food as you like - that is not a solution.
Try to give them jobs they ready to take (good luck!) and provide them housing while not upsetting the neighbors (good luck!)

Both were tried in Serbia and all it's neighbors and nearly all experiments failed.


You may visit Shutka in Skopje.

"Yeah, I know it's impossible for you to have a discussion with someone who has the facts to argue with." (Peggy, 22 October 2018 03:05)

"The hourly rate that would satisfy the criterion that working in the US is far better starts at $25 and up” (sj, 20 August 2018 12:05)

"The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism...Once it fell the lunatics in the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive..." (sj, 19 October 2018 13:27)

Are you referring to these kinds of "facts"?

"There are many who live well in the west and there are many who are on the streets, just like in the east." (Peggy, 22 October 2018 03:05)

There is a reason why you statement is exceedingly vague...

In the US the last time wage earners got a real wage rise was in the 1980s. That’s my point.
(sj, 20 October 2018 00:22)

This is correct. Few days ago I did read the message of the president of our company to the employees and I got furious. She is a completely бездарная пизда - who advanced in the corporate hierarchy most likely due the body part I just did mention.

No profit share for employees - event that the company is doing OK.

I would fire her in any minute - and rather appoint the cat of my neighbor (less damage + more brains).

But hey, I am in unique situation (no taxes paid, not a single Cent contributed to U.S. medical and food industry) and I am enjoying that I don't even need to be in the U.S.

Would I be under different circumstances - my life would be not sustainable. But as far as today - I am fine.

Can't wait until I retire, every time I think about U.S. corporate culture I vomit.

To JS ans SJ.

Apologies, neither of you has to deal with U.S. corporate (non)culture, this is my ordeal since early 90-s.

In many things I do not agree with either of you - but regarding salaries, corporate BS and other "niceties" of the life in the States SJ is largely correct. This is why I am not there.

Don't get me wrong: the life in the States is much better, than in this part of the Europe... as long as you work hard to manage it.

The best deal is to be American outside of America. Somehow, by some stupidity it is encouraged. You do not need to ask me twice - I am happy to be outside of it and as long as I don't need to go there I am not forcing it. All my Dollars have better value to be spent somewhere else.

One downside: you have to be extremely lucky to get into that situation.

One more downside for JS: this fact is known for some more Americans. Many of them are tricky, but not particularly gifted people. You can see them as American "expats" all over Serbia, Ukraine, Russia, etc.
They try to stay where they are - at any price.

Lucky you if they do not have any political influence. If that's not the case - they poison everything around them. The expat Brits aren't much better either.

One more hint: if you go to any bar in Southern Serbia infested be these parasites - I am not there. Last time I visited a bar was maybe few decades ago... for a few minutes. But you can see these expat "experts" everywhere in Belgrade, Moscow, Berlin, etc.

Honcho,

I can't comment on corporate America because I have always worked for small businesses that are rooted in rural communities, what sociologists would call "sectarian Protestant" communities. My experience has been quite positive. At times, I had negative feelings toward the owners but having become a business owner myself the financial risks, obligations, worries, and time required to keep everything running smoothly...there is a significant price to pay to increase earnings.

what it is amazing is that the US has 102 million living on or below the poverty line and very little is mentioned in the "free" western press of this fact. That millions live off food coupons and of course your famous tent cities.
(sj, 18 October 2018 11:12)

Sorry, the number of 102 million is absolutely incorrect.
It is correct that people live much worse than what would be possible.
It is correct that the corporate life is horrific.
It is correct that there is a lot of bubble and that marketing + half-literate managers have way to much to say.

The roots of the ruined corporate culture are in 19th century and that sucks in 21st.

Will America re-invent itself or not probably not my business, I hope to retire.

Awaiting the fake news posts from the resident Russian trolls explaining why none of these people are actually poor (because they live at home in some fabulous house with their parents), or claiming that there are more poor people in countries like France, Germany, the Netherlands but definitely none in Russia, Venezuela, Syria, or Cuba! :)
(JS, 18 October 2018 10:37)

Ramush there is no doubt that Serbia has poverty, but this story is about 10 years old and a rerun. However, what it is amazing is that the US has 102 million living on or below the poverty line and very little is mentioned in the "free" western press of this fact. That millions live off food coupons and of course your famous tent cities.

This is a very old story - about 10 years ago.

(JS, 18 October 2018 12:02)

Let's be fair. After 25 years working for the bank, most likely he is trusted with managerial responsibilities in bank's mop-an-bucket department. I bet he has reached the master mopper title.
(Tom L'Orizi, 18 October 2018 12:53)

Two of our leading clowns LOL. One who prophesies and lives in Serbia tilling grandpa’s lands, but no one knows what prophies he is on about, and our resident fictive Italian Albo who constantly looks for big words in a dictionary to impress everyone about its intelligence. But when you scratch the surface not one has a clue what they are talking about; not a blessed clue.
Yep I sweep the floors with a mop and clean desks. Hey not everyone can earn the big bucks LOL.

So, although our little sj killed himself investing heavily his fictive fund, his fictive money yielded only half a million of hungry Serbs?! Well, following our little sj's twisted logic, if he invests more aggressively he will be able to include all the Serbs in the "absolute poverty" category. Somehow, more he invests - hungrier the Serbs end up.

Or, perhaps a visit to a shrink could improve our little sj's investment strategies.
(Tom L'Orizi, 18 October 2018 12:33)

This is a fine example of when you can’t debate with facts you revert to this gibberish.
Well don’t oh big bro of icj1 who is the undisputed king of gibberish – it must run in the family. Well at least you have your cousin JS, who lives in Serbia, to help you along LOL.

It never occurred to me but are you are that wrinting this stuff makes you look very clownish? Maybe you didn't.

Awaiting the fake news posts from the resident Russian trolls explaining why none of these people are actually poor (because they live at home in some fabulous house with their parents), or claiming that there are more poor people in countries like France, Germany, the Netherlands but definitely none in Russia, Venezuela, Syria, or Cuba! :)

Today we took the first step in creating an army. And this article will probably not get any attention Even though it is more importent and near Serb everyday life.
(OMG SERIOSLY, 18 October 2018 14:35)

To create an army you have to get agreement of all peoples living in Kosovo otherwise nothing. Even if you want to change the constitution you need all peoples living in Kosovo to agree.

There are no jobs in Kosovo but you want to create an army and they talk about poverty in Serbia while Kosova prospers. Is it a full moon today?

Can we all just for a day forget everything else and remember in silence that eradicating poverty is OUR major priority? Can we find a common ground at least on this? Can we remember Ardit Gjoklaj 17-years old boy who was killed by the machines while working in a landfill near Tirana and died like and among the trash and nobody besides poor parents and some good youngsters cried for him? Nobody paid for his death. Can somebody translate "kafshate qe s'kaperdihet asht or vlla mjerimi kafshate qe te ngec ne fyt e te ze trishtimi kur sheh ftyra te zbehta e sy t'jeshilta.. if we loose this challenge we better disappear from the earth!!

In Romania minimum salary in 2020 550 euro and they will grow the pensions more than double link in English . In 2018 average pensions 1250 lei => 270 euro

As for the poverty from Serbia , real poverty is in Albania and Ukraine at least Serbia gouverment collect 40%


https://www.rferl.org/a/romanian-government-approves-plan-more-than-double-state-pensions-2022/29537355.html

" Romania's government has approved a plan to more than double state pensions

Under the plan approved on October 10, pension-related spending would rise steeply to 142 billion lei ($35 billion) by 2022, from about 62 billion lei this year. "

(Azir, 18 October 2018 16:31)

Abdul as long as they don’t beg in Kosova where riches and wealth abound since 1999, but wait what did that man say to the NYT?
“I swear to God, if it wasn’t for all those who have laid down their lives for this, I would say let’s go back to the way it was before. “We had a better life then; we had more opportunities.”
What? Albos had a better life then and more opportunity.

Then “For as long as we are stuck in this ghetto, we will have problems,” Arben Berisha, the chairman of the Arsenal supporters club in Kosovo.
Yeah its freedom LOL.

(sj, 18 October 2018 10:28)
(sj, 18 October 2018 11:12)

My prophecy speedily fulfilled.

And we're supposed to believe that he is a commercial banker! Yes, they all have plenty of time to sit at a desk waiting for the next b92 article so that they can post the first response to it! But I do believe that he works at a commercial bank...sweeping the floors! :)

Miss Yugoslavia yet? I bet you all do, things were much better for everyone!

Your obsession with and hatred toward "the West" knows no limits. It is not possible to have a dialogue with someone in this condition.
(JS, 19 October 2018 19:35)


No wrong again. Once the opposition disappeared people got screwed. That’s why you have an overabundance of jobs at the $7.50 and $12.50 in the US. Every time these poor people ask for an increase out comers this cry “we can’t afford it” LOL.
In the US the last time wage earners got a real wage rise was in the 1980s. That’s my point.

(Tito reloaded, 18 October 2018 19:48)

My little Albo I spent 6 months in Serbia in 2015. So I’d say I am qualified to say a few things about that country.
I know for a fact that Serbia also at times imports potatoes from Bulgaria and milk simply because the number of Serbian farmers are falling and the Government has only recently started to provide assistance for young people to stay in villages rather than leave for the cities. That’s why I know people like JS does not live in Serbia.
I do know what is written in certain newspapers because I can read which I cant say the same for you.

SJ the delusional make believe “ financial wizard” bye day and floor scrubber by night had us to believe foreigners where tripping over each other making “investments in Serbia” when in reality over 12% of the country is starving !

Greece would live the Serbs in the EU since misery loves company.

Is Greece going to show the Serbs how to cook the books to fraudulently enter the EU as they did?

I think foreigners were Tripping over the hundreds of thousands poor Serbs begging in the streets like their cousins do everyday in Romania 🇷🇴 Gypsy nation.

(Tito reloaded, 19 October 2018 13:08)

I was there for family reasons but I found out what I needed to know in the first 2 months. I have since kept in contact with family members and they keep me up to date.
Government come and go but at least this lot are producing some results unlike the ones in the past.
The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism, not that I am a Communist or believe in it - its a nice theory but you can never put it into practice. Once it fell the lunatics in the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive, and if you’re looking for social justice or justice of any kind that depends on how much money you have. And it gets worse every year. The west was a haven but not today.

USA Stand with Albanians :

🇷🇸Celebrating defeats since 1389🇷🇸...

We must use caution when we repeat their historical and traditional slogan without permission,Slav Serbs ,having taught generations after generations this fascination with losing but not in the mind of a stubborn Serb peasant ,
could be patented and trade marked ha ha ha 😂!

So, although our little sj killed himself investing heavily his fictive fund, his fictive money yielded only half a million of hungry Serbs?! Well, following our little sj's twisted logic, if he invests more aggressively he will be able to include all the Serbs in the "absolute poverty" category. Somehow, more he invests - hungrier the Serbs end up.

Or, perhaps a visit to a shrink could improve our little sj's investment strategies.

(sj, 18 October 2018 10:28)
(sj, 18 October 2018 11:12)

My prophecy speedily fulfilled.

And we're supposed to believe that he is a commercial banker! Yes, they all have plenty of time to sit at a desk waiting for the next b92 article so that they can post the first response to it! But I do believe that he works at a commercial bank...sweeping the floors! :)
(JS, 18 October 2018 12:02)

Let's be fair. After 25 years working for the bank, most likely he is trusted with managerial responsibilities in bank's mop-an-bucket department. I bet he has reached the master mopper title.

@js: sj seems to me a little bit wirred. But honestly I am not sure how much of the people posting here were more than 3 weeks per year in the region in the last 10 years.
Our watermelons grow on our ground like many other fruits, maybe sj has no place to grow fruits himself or he has no idea about that. At lesst he knows what is written in certain newspapers. :)

Let’s hear it one more time... 😂😂😂

“If Serbia were a part of the European Union, it would be its poorest member.”

🇷🇸 Celebrating Defeats Since 1389 🇷🇸

Isn't the government saying that economy grows and workers need to be imported?
Or is it growing and some rich are living on the back of the labours? Do not forget minimum salaries are below chinas plus many people have not even social security.
Low salaries comparing to other countries would not be a problem if it is enough to pay your bills and buy food from it. How many retired people would starve without support from their children?
Flat tax is one of the crimes against labour with low income. Considering value added tax they pay in percentage more tax than people like Miskovic. And he would not have that much money without so many people working for low money for him.
Before somebody screams about bad communist idea. There are western states that have this kind of tax system to keep the social peace.

In the US the last time wage earners got a real wage rise was in the 1980s. That’s my point.
(sj, 20 October 2018 00:22)

This is correct. Few days ago I did read the message of the president of our company to the employees and I got furious. She is a completely бездарная пизда - who advanced in the corporate hierarchy most likely due the body part I just did mention.

No profit share for employees - event that the company is doing OK.

I would fire her in any minute - and rather appoint the cat of my neighbor (less damage + more brains).

But hey, I am in unique situation (no taxes paid, not a single Cent contributed to U.S. medical and food industry) and I am enjoying that I don't even need to be in the U.S.

Would I be under different circumstances - my life would be not sustainable. But as far as today - I am fine.

Can't wait until I retire, every time I think about U.S. corporate culture I vomit.

What happened? Vucic every day says Serbia is number one in region 😬
(Avni, 18 October 2018 15:13)

I am pretty sure that half a million of absolutely poor Serbs lifts the bar to European level now.

The region is to small field for Serbia's achievements!

Next stop - world level.

(Tito reloaded, 18 October 2018 16:28)

But sj doesn't agree with you. For example, we import watermelon from Macedonia. Why? Probably because we're so busy working at better paying jobs that we can afford to pay the Macedonians to pick fruit for us...

B92,

Please re-read what you wrote and all the reactions.


What was written:

500K Serb citizens and among them 400K Serb children live in absolute poverty.

Do the math, please. Obviously, if a child is in absolute poverty - so it child's family. From the article we see, there are 100K adults in Serbia who live in absolute poverty: 500 - 400 = 100.

The minority of children are in orphanages. Serbian orphanage is no fun - but that is something else.

Same about adults in elderly homes or under special care.

A better wording would be: 'roughly 45000 Serbian families live in absolute poverty'.


How many children these families do have?

The same math gives us at least nine, as there are 400000 children in question.

The math of this barely adds. The only logical conclusion I do see if we state:

'The majority of Serbian Rom population lives in absolute poverty'.

Which is essentially correct.


The article misses much more.

As Sken 1444 many times wrote here: the food prices in the region are higher, than in the West. The conditions of regular people are much worse. Everyone and their dog dreams how to immigrate.

This is not restricted to Serbia.

From certain point of vew - everyone in the region lives in poverty.

To JS ans SJ.

Apologies, neither of you has to deal with U.S. corporate (non)culture, this is my ordeal since early 90-s.

In many things I do not agree with either of you - but regarding salaries, corporate BS and other "niceties" of the life in the States SJ is largely correct. This is why I am not there.

Don't get me wrong: the life in the States is much better, than in this part of the Europe... as long as you work hard to manage it.

The best deal is to be American outside of America. Somehow, by some stupidity it is encouraged. You do not need to ask me twice - I am happy to be outside of it and as long as I don't need to go there I am not forcing it. All my Dollars have better value to be spent somewhere else.

One downside: you have to be extremely lucky to get into that situation.

One more downside for JS: this fact is known for some more Americans. Many of them are tricky, but not particularly gifted people. You can see them as American "expats" all over Serbia, Ukraine, Russia, etc.
They try to stay where they are - at any price.

Lucky you if they do not have any political influence. If that's not the case - they poison everything around them. The expat Brits aren't much better either.

One more hint: if you go to any bar in Southern Serbia infested be these parasites - I am not there. Last time I visited a bar was maybe few decades ago... for a few minutes. But you can see these expat "experts" everywhere in Belgrade, Moscow, Berlin, etc.

Half millions of Serbians live in proverty and this guy Vucic goes to Russia buys old junk Military aquipmen plane and tanks he should stat fitting poor serbs with food
(Bob, 21 October 2018 08:07)

Please do the math. I can't say much about military, but "500K Serbs living in poverty" is a very interesting topic.

As it was mentioned, 400K out of them are children.

That means, we are talking about roughly 40000 families. Correct?

100 = 500 - 400, so there are 100K adults affected. Deduct elderly in special homes, mentally ill, homeless and so on - you will get propably 40K adult couples.

These 40K adult couples have 400K children. Even if you deduct children in orphanages, homeless, etc - you will still have 9 kids / family.

This is obvious, who in Serbia has 9 kids in family: Roms and some Albanians. You can remove Albanians because even if they have no income, their relatives worldwide help them, they do not live in poverty.

Remains: 40,000 Rom families with 9+ kids in family.

You can give them as much food as you like - that is not a solution.
Try to give them jobs they ready to take (good luck!) and provide them housing while not upsetting the neighbors (good luck!)

Both were tried in Serbia and all it's neighbors and nearly all experiments failed.


You may visit Shutka in Skopje.

(Honcho, 20 October 2018 23:32)

Sadly, the 102 million is on the mark.
Teachers in Oklahoma went on strike on 4 April 2018 to call for better funding of education and salaries. Teachers in Kentucky and Arizona followed.

These teachers are so drastically underpaid they are forced to donate plasma, work multiple jobs, and go to food pantries to provide for their families. They live on $33,000 per year.

US now has an abundance of jobs at either $7.50 ($15,600 yearly) or $12.50 an hour ($26,000. These are working poor rates. They barely earn enough to cover rent, utilities, cloths and food. Last year I drove through middle America and I can tell you that good food is not cheap, but crap is. US household debt is enormous due people borrowing because household savings were wiped out after the GFC in 2008. Today, 75% of fulltime workers live from pay-day to pay-day.

Proper official Stats on poverty are like stats on unemployment and if you believe that the US has only 4% unemployed then the tooth fairy lives on the moon. You only have to “work” one hour per week and your not unemployed. You stop looking for work and you are off government records.

(JS, 22 October 2018 03:36)

Yep working for $12.50 an hour is living high on the hog. The operative words are “as long as you work hard to manage it”.

That’s working two or three jobs. Maybe you are right I could be out of step here since I find working more than one job very odd and don’t count that as a good life.

What happened? Vucic every day says Serbia is number one in region 😬

what it is amazing is that the US has 102 million living on or below the poverty line and very little is mentioned in the "free" western press of this fact. That millions live off food coupons and of course your famous tent cities.
(sj, 18 October 2018 11:12)

Sorry, the number of 102 million is absolutely incorrect.
It is correct that people live much worse than what would be possible.
It is correct that the corporate life is horrific.
It is correct that there is a lot of bubble and that marketing + half-literate managers have way to much to say.

The roots of the ruined corporate culture are in 19th century and that sucks in 21st.

Will America re-invent itself or not probably not my business, I hope to retire.

Your obsession with and hatred toward "the West" knows no limits. It is not possible to have a dialogue with someone in this condition.
(JS, 19 October 2018 19:35)
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Yeah, I know it's impossible for you to have a discussion with someone who has the facts to argue with.
You call presenting the facts as hatred. It's not, it's just the truth.
There are many who live well in the west and there are many who are on the streets, just like in the east.

"Yeah, I know it's impossible for you to have a discussion with someone who has the facts to argue with." (Peggy, 22 October 2018 03:05)

"The hourly rate that would satisfy the criterion that working in the US is far better starts at $25 and up” (sj, 20 August 2018 12:05)

"The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism...Once it fell the lunatics in the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive..." (sj, 19 October 2018 13:27)

Are you referring to these kinds of "facts"?

"There are many who live well in the west and there are many who are on the streets, just like in the east." (Peggy, 22 October 2018 03:05)

There is a reason why you statement is exceedingly vague...

SJ so your argument for this is that this news is 10 years and a rerun of an old article. Do you see the stupidity in these. Because somebody said 10 years ago half a million people where poor, you cant Say the same to day? Your concern should be what has the goverment done in these 10 year to eradicate poverty and or how will these look like in 10 years instead of only "Kosovo je Srbija" do those parents who send their children to bed every night at bed care who Kosovo belongs to? Or do the family to the man who took his life over a debt to electric company come back to life og Kosovo becomes Serbia? Istead of wasting time with Something thats not in their control, they should start taking ofthe country and people who i left in Serbia. Kosovo is gone and Today we took the first step in creating an army. And this article will probably not get any attention Even though it is more importent and near Serb everyday life.

"The greatest tragedy was the fall of Communism, not that I am a Communist or believe in it - its a nice theory but you can never put it into practice. Once it fell the lunatics in the US took over and today we have people working for a pittance just to survive, and if you’re looking for social justice or justice of any kind that depends on how much money you have. And it gets worse every year. The west was a haven but not today."

Your obsession with and hatred toward "the West" knows no limits. It is not possible to have a dialogue with someone in this condition.

Things are actually moving at a much faster pace in Kosova’s favor under the Trump years! Thank you Serbia for supporting Trump! We loved the Trump shirts that were made that seslj made his goons wear:)

Regarding Austria, their weapons will be kindly appreciated when they begin selling them and donating them to the Kosovar ARMY. The nice part about starting out small with a 5000 man army will be the ability to outfit them with the BEST weapons the world has to offer and training. From there, they will take that knowledge the West has provided in training and tactics, then become trainers for the enlargement of the Armed Forces in the future. Serbia has nothing to fear though because they want peace with their neighbors and would never invade or start trouble in Kosova, right?

Jokes on you Serbia. While you “wait” for the right time to invade, Kosovars will be preparing, training and building up their Armed Forces. Future generations of Serbs will not be willing to die for Kosova because they will not identify with it... However, everyone knows Kosovar Albanians are willing to put heir lives on the line for their homeland.

Greetings from Chicago fellow Albanians🤝

@sj: wow 6 months in 2015. I am impressed. Since January 2015 I spend around 35 months in serbia and quiet a lot before.

As you may know we live in a world were trade over borders is a normal thing. Importing food from other countries does not say anything about if peoole in country is rich or poor.
You know there are many parameters. Like costs/unit, median income instead of average income, social system, infrastructure,...
I dislike the government a lot but at least infrastructure projects are on the way.
The social fairness on the other side is a topic they avoid, like it is not on there agenda.

Half millions of Serbians live in proverty and this guy Vucic goes to Russia buys old junk Military aquipmen plane and tanks he should stat fitting poor serbs with food. Serbia government should start taking care people because dose not metter how much wapeens you have Army not going to fight hungry with no food empty stomach.

Ataman,
You are correct, if you are a greedy foreigner, not wiling to contribute for all that America has allowed you to benefit, you will soon be found out, as you have discovered.

Honcho,

I can't comment on corporate America because I have always worked for small businesses that are rooted in rural communities, what sociologists would call "sectarian Protestant" communities. My experience has been quite positive. At times, I had negative feelings toward the owners but having become a business owner myself the financial risks, obligations, worries, and time required to keep everything running smoothly...there is a significant price to pay to increase earnings.

Honcho,

"...regarding salaries, corporate BS and other "niceties" of the life in the States SJ is largely correct. This is why I am not there."

By the looks of things, corporate life in Serbia is just as corrupt. Considering that businessmen bought state industries for a little bit of nothing, turned around and sold the tools for more than they paid for the company, and immediately closed the business, I wouldn't be surprised if corporate culture here is worse than in the States.

"Don't get me wrong: the life in the States is much better, than in this part of the Europe... as long as you work hard to manage it."

Everyone knows this except sj.

"The best deal is to be American outside of America...All my Dollars have better value to be spent somewhere else."

Because of the strength of the dollar.

"One more downside for JS: this fact is known for some more Americans...Lucky you if they do not have any political influence...One more hint: if you go to any bar in Southern Serbia infested be these parasites - I am not there. Last time I visited a bar was maybe few decades ago... for a few minutes. But you can see these expat "experts" everywhere in Belgrade, Moscow, Berlin, etc."

I don't go to bars and I don't live in a city, so I don't know. I haven't met any on the street when I was in town.