Russian MFA spokeswoman on "delimitation" as Kosovo solution

At least Albanians are not boot lickers like Serbs.
(BLACK EAGLE, 10 August 2018 15:15)

You people have a statue to Clinton on the street named after him with a big American flag flying in the background. The reason for your continued existence long after you should have been assimilated into a higher culture was bootlicking one conquering power to avoid being destroyed by another.

Seriously, posts like these HAVE to be done deliberately just to increase the internet traffic around here.

Zakharova stressed that Russia stands for consistency, and for sovereignty of Serbian territory - but added that her country will respect Serbia's decisions.

Will it be the decision of the Serbian people regarding the destiny and fate of their country or will it be the will of Vucic and a hand full of remnants of Tito'ism era mentality that will reward siptar's a so called imaginary state kosova greater albania ? so when we talk about population we always hear how the siptar's are over populating and need more territory of Srbija, well Kosovo is Srbija and how about the word of Serbian people of ALL Srbija ? If Vucic gives Kosovo away to siptar's then he will set a precedent that other areas of Srbija also be taken by other ethnic groups and so on and so on until Srbija does not longer exist. Better Serbian people elect a Russian next time for president !!!

"We will not accept the lie that Kosovo was separated from Serbia on the basis of a referendum."

That's the crucial sentence here, because the Russians already know what the western Plan ist for KiM: The western Agent Vuçi organizing a 'Referendum' with a result that is of course manipulated in advance, just as it was with the socalled 'Referendum' in Montenegro.

But chances are low that this will succeed once again.

It looks like the US missed the 'momentum' and now the opportunity is gone.
The Geo-Strategic Stage has changed and not in favour of the US.

Just as in Syria, Kosovo will be another sobering experience for Washington.

Ukraineians are not part of Eastern Orthodox, so it’s ok to kill them, that’s how mother russia wants to kill them , right? I like how Chetnik thinks , lol
(Who, 10 August 2018 16:39

Whoaj,

65% of Ukrainians are associated with some form of Orthodoxy. Open a book or site...... the ignorance of you Albanians is beyond comprehension. Get out of your little dream world as icj1 would say - to quote one of your own!!!

Dragoljub Djurkovic,

Yes we do here they are "over populating" ... it not true simply look at the statistics.

Serbs used to have huge families as well, Albanians have now only caight up to the rest of Europe....
Lets look at Albania, on average each women has 1.6 childrens, while in Serbia its 1.4... hardly to gloat when 2.11 are required to have a population to grow...
Albanian population hit the stagnation point in the 2000's and decline in 2010.... Serbia hit his point in the 1970s.

now lets consider the emigration rate, the Kosovo Albanians and albania albanias are #1 and #2.... which is massive considering they combined population is barely over 4 mil(if even).

There is 0 investments in Kosovo(only incoming money is remittance) and somewhat more in albania... but Serba is massive.
If Serbia can imbrace low taxes and a free market(basically every country that has gone from poor to rich)... Serbs will return and she will rise again.

.. i personally cannot stand tito and everything he stood for... Socalism has been the biggest destructive force in Serbia, im glad they are embracing more capitalism now

LOL! This is getting confusing, she's talking about "delimitation", Vucic about "delineation" and it's all a bit cryptic. What we need to know are the details. If it means giving Albanians a UN seat, sorry, but that won't be acceptable.

West: Kosovo referendum was ok, crimea referendum not
Russia: kosovo referendum was not ok, crimea referendum was ok

It shows what selfish reasons they all have.
(Tito reloaded, 10 August 2018 14:57)
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Actually, it shows lack of understanding in history, on your part. There was no referendum on Kosovo independence, except for one in 1991 that the whole world rejected (except for Albania).

Mapit:

Trepca is the property of the indigenous Albanians....all of TREPCA.

The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !

@Zoran:
So basically you say, if there is a referendum hold and other states do not recognize it...
(Tito reloaded, 10 August 2018 16:29)
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What I am saying is that preceding Crimea's annex to Russia, there was a referendum however, this was not the case for "Kosova"***. There was no referendum immediately preceding the UDI, so what you said about the west being OK with this imaginary referendum never happened. Understand?

"We will not accept the lie that Kosovo was separated from Serbia on the basis of a referendum. We will not have being told, while singling only one thing out, that this is a unique example in Europe. Everything that will be related to twisting the historical memory will also not pass." ENOUGH SAID!! All you Serb hatters sit down and shut up!

Russia as USA, and other great powers do not care to much if at all about smaller countries ???

Oh yea, so USA does not care too much about smaller countries, tell that to all the little countries the USA has murdered in the last 50 years ! And regarding Russia not caring for Srbija, well all I can say is that you ain't seen nothing what you all gonna see this century ! Russia with many patience but will come a moment when enough is enough ! Serbian people would be much better off electing Russian people as civil leaders of Srbija ! If Romania can have a German president then why Srbija can not have Russian president ? Lets elect and make a Russian president of Srbija and then see the USA, England and Germany try to murder Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans and steal Serbian territory to give away to Croatian Nazi Ustase and siptar Islamic terrorist !!!

Russia as USA, and other great powers do not care to much if at all about smaller countries. They have geopolitical interests that stand above our national interests in the Balkans. We must use them aa they use us. There is no love, there is no brotherhood. This was shown in 1913 for albanians ans 1999 for serbs.

At least Albanians are not boot lickers like Serbs.
To bad for the Serbian Madam belly dancer with no honour and dignity.

@Zoran:
So basically you say, if there is a referendum hold and other states do not recognize it, it was not a referendum. You can be sure in the meantime the west recognize that one if needed.
Why I have the impression that some referendums you would except even if only one state would recognize it and others not. Let's say Bosnian Serbs want to join serbia, make a referendum and only russia accepts that? Now starts a war Russia wins it for serbs in bosnia, I guess that than this would be ok with you. And you would argue that there was a referendum.

Dragolub

Ukraineians are not part of Eastern Orthodox, so it’s ok to kill them, that’s how mother russia wants to kill them , right? I like how Chetnik thinks , lol
(Who, 10 August 2018 16:39)

One segment of the Ukrainian population is Roman Catholic and they were Nazi puppets with Hitler 1939 - 1945 and they are with Hitler today ! These Roman Catholic Ukrainians are a poison to Russia just like the Croatian Nazi Ustasa is poison to Srbija ! Nazi Roman Catholic Empire wants to murder off all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe, Thank God Tzar Vlade will never permit that to happen !!!

... There was no referendum on Kosovo independence, except for one in 1991 that the whole world rejected (except for Albania).
(Zoran, 10 August 2018 15:38)

So, if one follows your line of thinking (or lack-of-thinking), the next referendum in Serbia is worthless if the whole world rejects it!!?

Only if you could kindly remind us when did the whole world held the referendum to reject the Kosova referendum of 1991 and also when did Albania held the referendum to not have a referendum on Kosova's referendum?

It is always funny when western, russians or balkan politicians talk about Kosovo or Crimea. Each of them would never suggest the same solution for both issues.
West: Kosovo referendum was ok, crimea referendum not
Russia: kosovo referendum was not ok, crimea referendum was ok

It shows what selfish reasons they all have.

Dragolub

Ukraineians are not part of Eastern Orthodox, so it’s ok to kill them, that’s how mother russia wants to kill them , right? I like how Chetnik thinks , lol

The support for the Albanians regarding Kosovo has never been this poor.

Here is what an analys, who have supported Kosovo as a state wrote in the news about the US stance;

”"This is a change from previous policy, which unequivocally supported Kosovo's sovereignty and territorial integrity, as defined in its constitution and (not incidentally) drawn in its flag," Serwer wrote on his website.”


”Whoaj.”

(Chi, 10 August 2018 17:12)

??? 🤣🤣😂 Is there a name like that ?

Thank God Tzar Vlade will never permit that to happen !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 10 August 2018 23:18

Tzar vlade it’s temporarily . USA thank God has a good memory , and will get you serbs sooner or later .
(Who, 11 August 2018 01:39)

@ Whoaj - pure Albanian name;))
USA memory is very, very short! They will sell you if they own you and will buy you if they don’t!
Srbija found this out already and you albies are about to... enjoy the show ;)

@ Whoaj - pure Albanian name;))
USA memory is very, very short! They will sell you if they own you and will buy you if they don’t!
Srbija found this out already and you albies are about to... enjoy the show ;)
(Watcher, 11 August 2018 17:01)

Don't listen to Jimy (with one 'm'). He ain't real.

Tzar vlade it’s temporarily . USA thank God has a good memory , and will get you serbs sooner or later .
(Who, 11 August 2018 01:39)

Yea go ahead USA, England and Germany keep playing these hate and insult games with Russia, Tzar Stalin was too good and great of a human being after World War Two because he should of incinerated the Nazi Roman Catholic Empire as soon as he got his hands on nuclear power !!!

And nobody will have more money or better healthcare if Kosovo is back under Belgrade influence.
(Tito reloaded, 10 August 2018 20:53)
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You miss the point entirely. Yes, part of it is the fact that Kosovo is very important to Serbs (not just the Serbs in Serbia) as it's our Jerusalem, but also part of it is the fact that once they manage to get Kosovo taken away from Serbia what else can be take away?
Bit by bit parts of Serbia can be broken away on the same basis as Kosovo. Start a war, cry war crimes and get your "reward".
When the same thing happens, will you again say that Serbia dosn't stand to benefit by fighting for the next peace of land and let it go?
Do you not see the bigger picture here?

Albanians don’t really care about North Kosovo, but it’s good leverage to have when negotiating for Presevo Valley. Just keep it moving without all this drama, nobody cares about it. All we care about is what the new map looks like.

@ Tito reloaded

"How much states accepted that referendum in Crimea? What if there would have been a war that prolonged the time from referendum to the independency?

But thank you for the show case, you also just accept the border changes that you like. Who says yes to Crimea not beeing part of Ukraine anymore, must also support Kosovo, Republika Srpska, Catalonia, North Ireland,... same is valid the other way around.
Kosovo is like a heavy chain around the neck when you try to swim. It does not help anybody in the rest of serbia. What benefit has somebody in Belgrad, Novi Sad, Cacak,... from having Kosovo under the control of politicians in Belgrade? There are more important problems that people have here. And nobody will have more money or better healthcare if Kosovo is back under Belgrade influence."

and...

"The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !
(Azir)
like to serbian nationalist I recommend you in such actions to be in the first row too. Maybe you all can meet on a field and slaughter each other. The less of you the better for the rest of the population. Just let the people in peace that just want to have a normal life.
You and your brothers in mind from albania, bosnia, croatia, kosovo, serbia,.. are the true cancer in the region."

I agree with you 100%. I couldn't have said it better myself.

The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !
(Azir, 10 August 2018 23:28)
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I strongly recommend lobotomy.

Well fake Italiano I'm just pointing out that treaties are not worth much unless you have something of value to trade with and Kosova has nothing to trade with unless its criminals and drugs - perhaps I am wrong LOL.
(sj, 13 August 2018 13:40)

Last year, Serbia sold goods to Kosova worth €418 millions.

Well, if we apply your twisted logics, since according to you Kosovo has nothing of value, completely stopping the trade with Serbia will not harm Serbia's economy at all since Kosova anyway has nothing of value to start with!?

If you have ever been right, it must have been either unintentional or accidental - which makes you a proper staunch Serb as per Dobrica Ćosić, bless him.

@ Jovan

Why do you think that the US cares so much about Kosovo? Or Syria? It's not realistic. If the US wanted to kick Assad out of office so strongly then it would have taken enough military action to do so. But although most Americans would like to see a ruthless dictator removed from office, a worse outcome could have been the result. A person always has to look ahead.

Too much focus is placed on Trepca, but there are countries out there that don't have a Trepca and they do just fine. Besides, even if you lose one economic resource, a merger with Albania will help even out the loss because you become a 5+ million market instead of less than 2 million depending on Trepca.

Thank God Tzar Vlade will never permit that to happen !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 10 August 2018 23:18

Tzar vlade it’s temporarily . USA thank God has a good memory , and will get you serbs sooner or later .

The only way you can connect is if it joins with Albania otherwise bilateral treatise are BS. They are worthless pieces of paper. Meaningless. What has Kosovo to trade with since it has no manufacturing, industry, tourism or anything. If relatives did not work in s*** jobs in the EU and did not send money back to Kosovo the people would starve.
The treaties are all show.
(sj, 13 August 2018 11:37)

If treaties at "all show" - as you wishfully think - why you're frothing and foaming then!?

The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !
(Azir)
like to serbian nationalist I recommend you in such actions to be in the first row too. Maybe you all can meet on a field and slaughter each other. The less of you the better for the rest of the population. Just let the people in peace that just want to have a normal life.
You and your brothers in mind from albania, bosnia, croatia, kosovo, serbia,.. are the true cancer in the region.

There was no referendum on Kosovo independence, except for one in 1991 that the whole world rejected (except for Albania).
(Zoran, 10 August 2018 15:38)

Only if you could kindly remind us when did the whole world held the referendum to reject the Kosova referendum of 1991
(Tom L'Orizi, 11 August 2018 19:22)

It looks like our dear friend Zoran confused the 1991 referendum in Kosovo with the 2014 referendum in Crimea, because it was the 2014 referendum in Crimea that was determined by the UN as having no validity.

If you want to prevent “ Greater Albania “ simply unobstruct Kosova’s path as an independent nation into the UN.
(Azir, 12 August 2018 04:22)
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Do you really think that anyone is going to allow you to join Albania for ANY reason?
We can obstruct all we like and you won't be able to move forward until you come to your senses.

Peggy, the merger with Albania has already happened, the bilateral treaties between the two are so connective that you can hardly find similar treaties anywhere between two countries. Even between two states in a federation like US or Brazil you can’t find such deals.
(Mapit, 13 August 2018 10:36)

The only way you can connect is if it joins with Albania otherwise bilateral treatise are BS. They are worthless pieces of paper. Meaningless. What has Kosovo to trade with since it has no manufacturing, industry, tourism or anything. If relatives did not work in s*** jobs in the EU and did not send money back to Kosovo the people would starve.
The treaties are all show.

Do you really think that anyone is going to allow you to join Albania for ANY reason? We can obstruct all we like and you won't be able to move forward until you come to your senses.
(Peggy, 13 August 2018 05:07)

So if, for example, Kosovo and Albania stop conducting customs controls at their border, you will move from Australia to the border between Kosovo and Albania to conduct customs control in order not to allow Albania and Kosovo to become one country lol

What I am saying is that preceding Crimea's annex to Russia, there was a referendum however, this was not the case for "Kosova"***. There was no referendum immediately preceding the UDI, so what you said about the west being OK with this imaginary referendum never happened. Understand?
(Zoran)
Fact is Kosovo is practically independend from Serbia and it is supported by the west.
How much states accepted that referendum in Crimea? What if there would have been a war that prolonged the time from referendum to the independency?

But thank you for the show case, you also just accept the border changes that you like. Who says yes to Crimea not beeing part of Ukraine anymore, must also support Kosovo, Republika Srpska, Catalonia, North Ireland,... same is valid the other way around.
Kosovo is like a heavy chain around the neck when you try to swim. It does not help anybody in the rest of serbia. What benefit has somebody in Belgrad, Novi Sad, Cacak,... from having Kosovo under the control of politicians in Belgrade? There are more important problems that people have here. And nobody will have more money or better healthcare if Kosovo is back under Belgrade influence.

Map it:

As I said before the natural resources belong to the indigenous Shqiptare Kosovars .

The West conditioned independence on the agreement that union with Albania wasn’t to happen.

Greater Albania is the night mare of Slavs especially Serbs .

But they ignorantly cry to Russia 🇷🇺 and China 🇨🇳 to veto UN membership therefore UNION with Albania is the only option,

Serbs claim they are against “Greater Albania” but there actions indicate the opposite.

Hint for Serbs -

If you want to prevent “ Greater Albania “ simply unobstruct Kosova’s path as an independent nation into the UN.

Peggy, the merger with Albania has already happened, the bilateral treaties between the two are so connective that you can hardly find similar treaties anywhere between two countries. Even between two states in a federation like US or Brazil you can’t find such deals.

(Tom L'Orizi, 13 August 2018 17:09)

Fictive Italian Albo, let’s look at Kosovo’s finances. Last year it had growth rate of about 4%, but in 2018 it is projected to reach 4.8%. On face value this looks fantastic until you dig a little deeper and find out that the growth rate is all tied to Albanians working in the EU and sending back money to relations so in essence if this were to stop there would be starvation.
So, Kosovo has little to nothing, but if I am wrong please list all of Kosovo’s industries that create this largess. What does it produce? Who does it sell to?
Now as far as Serbian exports are concerned, these are all food stuff, but I strongly suggest that you guys go and buy from the EU if you can get it cheaper, or even better buy from the motherland Albania, chop, chop.
This imaginary Kosova must be a fantastic place, but unfortunately it does not match reality much like your writing.

Do you really think that anyone is going to allow you to join Albania for ANY reason? We can obstruct all we like and you won't be able to move forward until you come to your senses.
(Peggy, 13 August 2018 05:07)

So if, for example, Kosovo and Albania stop conducting customs controls at their border, you will move from Australia to the border between Kosovo and Albania to conduct customs control in order not to allow Albania and Kosovo to become one country lol
(icj1, 14 August 2018 03:54)

This doesn't contribute anything to a sensible discussion but only makes the whole thing insulting to people who want to have serious discussion.
(Peggy, 15 August 2018 14:07)

Well, dear, you said that you will obstruct Kosovo joining Albania so I wanted to understand how exactly you will achieve that in practice. The practical solutions for achieving your proposals are certainly a sensible discussion and I'm not sure why you think that the practical implementation of your proposals would be insulting to anybody!

Honestly I think Serbia realizes that whether Kosovo and Albania merge or not, they de-facto run as one country, so it's not like the official merger changes anything. These two countries should merge, it makes logical sense, but why not exchange border towns first so that there's more cohesion in internal politics for both Serbia and Albania+Kosovo going forward.

If treaties at "all show" - as you wishfully think - why you're frothing and foaming then!?
(Tom L'Orizi, 13 August 2018 12:39)

Well fake Italiano I'm just pointing out that treaties are not worth much unless you have something of value to trade with and Kosova has nothing to trade with unless its criminals and drugs - perhaps I am wrong LOL.

Actually treaties govern fundamental aspects in their own specific fields and they are useful on a daily basis. What does remittance income have to do with the fact that Albania and Kosovo have merged key aspects of their operations and are de-facto acting as a unified state? I could also say that Serbia is nothing without Russia’s backing, but that wasn’t the topic.

@peggy:
Jerusalem? I am not a friend of this crazy guys with long beards and black dresses that believe in ghosts. Jerusalem arguments in many conflicts brought already too much suffering to humans.
Bigger picture: if Kosovo stays Kosovo Albanians will be in a few generations majority in serbia. I do not care but it is funny that nationalists want this, what will end in their biggest fear. ;)

Actually treaties govern fundamental aspects in their own specific fields and they are useful on a daily basis. What does remittance income have to do with the fact that Albania and Kosovo have merged key aspects of their operations and are de-facto acting as a unified state? I could also say that Serbia is nothing without Russia’s backing, but that wasn’t the topic.
(Mapit, 13 August 2018 13:54)

I know what treatise are and their function, but they are useless between Kosovo and Albania since Kosovo is actually governed by the EU and US. Its more for show than any real purpose. Remittance show the wealth of Kosovo and that is has nothing.

So if, for example, Kosovo and Albania stop conducting customs controls at their border, you will move from Australia to the border between Kosovo and Albania to conduct customs control in order not to allow Albania and Kosovo to become one country lol
(icj1, 14 August 2018 03:54)
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B92 moderator, do you really give comments like this same status as sane ones therefore allow them to get through?
This doesn't contribute anything to a sensible discussion but only makes the whole thing insulting to people who want to have serious discussion.
Are you a serious site or a tabloid?

Mapit:

Trepca is the property of the indigenous Albanians....all of TREPCA.

The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !

At least Albanians are not boot lickers like Serbs.
To bad for the Serbian Madam belly dancer with no honour and dignity.

Zakharova stressed that Russia stands for consistency, and for sovereignty of Serbian territory - but added that her country will respect Serbia's decisions.

Will it be the decision of the Serbian people regarding the destiny and fate of their country or will it be the will of Vucic and a hand full of remnants of Tito'ism era mentality that will reward siptar's a so called imaginary state kosova greater albania ? so when we talk about population we always hear how the siptar's are over populating and need more territory of Srbija, well Kosovo is Srbija and how about the word of Serbian people of ALL Srbija ? If Vucic gives Kosovo away to siptar's then he will set a precedent that other areas of Srbija also be taken by other ethnic groups and so on and so on until Srbija does not longer exist. Better Serbian people elect a Russian next time for president !!!

Dragolub

Ukraineians are not part of Eastern Orthodox, so it’s ok to kill them, that’s how mother russia wants to kill them , right? I like how Chetnik thinks , lol

Russia as USA, and other great powers do not care to much if at all about smaller countries ???

Oh yea, so USA does not care too much about smaller countries, tell that to all the little countries the USA has murdered in the last 50 years ! And regarding Russia not caring for Srbija, well all I can say is that you ain't seen nothing what you all gonna see this century ! Russia with many patience but will come a moment when enough is enough ! Serbian people would be much better off electing Russian people as civil leaders of Srbija ! If Romania can have a German president then why Srbija can not have Russian president ? Lets elect and make a Russian president of Srbija and then see the USA, England and Germany try to murder Slavic Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans and steal Serbian territory to give away to Croatian Nazi Ustase and siptar Islamic terrorist !!!

"We will not accept the lie that Kosovo was separated from Serbia on the basis of a referendum."

That's the crucial sentence here, because the Russians already know what the western Plan ist for KiM: The western Agent Vuçi organizing a 'Referendum' with a result that is of course manipulated in advance, just as it was with the socalled 'Referendum' in Montenegro.

But chances are low that this will succeed once again.

It looks like the US missed the 'momentum' and now the opportunity is gone.
The Geo-Strategic Stage has changed and not in favour of the US.

Just as in Syria, Kosovo will be another sobering experience for Washington.

Albanians don’t really care about North Kosovo, but it’s good leverage to have when negotiating for Presevo Valley. Just keep it moving without all this drama, nobody cares about it. All we care about is what the new map looks like.

Russia as USA, and other great powers do not care to much if at all about smaller countries. They have geopolitical interests that stand above our national interests in the Balkans. We must use them aa they use us. There is no love, there is no brotherhood. This was shown in 1913 for albanians ans 1999 for serbs.

Ukraineians are not part of Eastern Orthodox, so it’s ok to kill them, that’s how mother russia wants to kill them , right? I like how Chetnik thinks , lol
(Who, 10 August 2018 16:39

Whoaj,

65% of Ukrainians are associated with some form of Orthodoxy. Open a book or site...... the ignorance of you Albanians is beyond comprehension. Get out of your little dream world as icj1 would say - to quote one of your own!!!

Tzar vlade it’s temporarily . USA thank God has a good memory , and will get you serbs sooner or later .
(Who, 11 August 2018 01:39)

Yea go ahead USA, England and Germany keep playing these hate and insult games with Russia, Tzar Stalin was too good and great of a human being after World War Two because he should of incinerated the Nazi Roman Catholic Empire as soon as he got his hands on nuclear power !!!

West: Kosovo referendum was ok, crimea referendum not
Russia: kosovo referendum was not ok, crimea referendum was ok

It shows what selfish reasons they all have.
(Tito reloaded, 10 August 2018 14:57)
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Actually, it shows lack of understanding in history, on your part. There was no referendum on Kosovo independence, except for one in 1991 that the whole world rejected (except for Albania).

Thank God Tzar Vlade will never permit that to happen !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 10 August 2018 23:18

Tzar vlade it’s temporarily . USA thank God has a good memory , and will get you serbs sooner or later .

The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !
(Azir)
like to serbian nationalist I recommend you in such actions to be in the first row too. Maybe you all can meet on a field and slaughter each other. The less of you the better for the rest of the population. Just let the people in peace that just want to have a normal life.
You and your brothers in mind from albania, bosnia, croatia, kosovo, serbia,.. are the true cancer in the region.

LOL! This is getting confusing, she's talking about "delimitation", Vucic about "delineation" and it's all a bit cryptic. What we need to know are the details. If it means giving Albanians a UN seat, sorry, but that won't be acceptable.

"We will not accept the lie that Kosovo was separated from Serbia on the basis of a referendum. We will not have being told, while singling only one thing out, that this is a unique example in Europe. Everything that will be related to twisting the historical memory will also not pass." ENOUGH SAID!! All you Serb hatters sit down and shut up!

Dragoljub Djurkovic,

Yes we do here they are "over populating" ... it not true simply look at the statistics.

Serbs used to have huge families as well, Albanians have now only caight up to the rest of Europe....
Lets look at Albania, on average each women has 1.6 childrens, while in Serbia its 1.4... hardly to gloat when 2.11 are required to have a population to grow...
Albanian population hit the stagnation point in the 2000's and decline in 2010.... Serbia hit his point in the 1970s.

now lets consider the emigration rate, the Kosovo Albanians and albania albanias are #1 and #2.... which is massive considering they combined population is barely over 4 mil(if even).

There is 0 investments in Kosovo(only incoming money is remittance) and somewhat more in albania... but Serba is massive.
If Serbia can imbrace low taxes and a free market(basically every country that has gone from poor to rich)... Serbs will return and she will rise again.

.. i personally cannot stand tito and everything he stood for... Socalism has been the biggest destructive force in Serbia, im glad they are embracing more capitalism now

At least Albanians are not boot lickers like Serbs.
(BLACK EAGLE, 10 August 2018 15:15)

You people have a statue to Clinton on the street named after him with a big American flag flying in the background. The reason for your continued existence long after you should have been assimilated into a higher culture was bootlicking one conquering power to avoid being destroyed by another.

Seriously, posts like these HAVE to be done deliberately just to increase the internet traffic around here.

@Zoran:
So basically you say, if there is a referendum hold and other states do not recognize it...
(Tito reloaded, 10 August 2018 16:29)
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What I am saying is that preceding Crimea's annex to Russia, there was a referendum however, this was not the case for "Kosova"***. There was no referendum immediately preceding the UDI, so what you said about the west being OK with this imaginary referendum never happened. Understand?

The support for the Albanians regarding Kosovo has never been this poor.

Here is what an analys, who have supported Kosovo as a state wrote in the news about the US stance;

”"This is a change from previous policy, which unequivocally supported Kosovo's sovereignty and territorial integrity, as defined in its constitution and (not incidentally) drawn in its flag," Serwer wrote on his website.”


”Whoaj.”

(Chi, 10 August 2018 17:12)

??? 🤣🤣😂 Is there a name like that ?

What I am saying is that preceding Crimea's annex to Russia, there was a referendum however, this was not the case for "Kosova"***. There was no referendum immediately preceding the UDI, so what you said about the west being OK with this imaginary referendum never happened. Understand?
(Zoran)
Fact is Kosovo is practically independend from Serbia and it is supported by the west.
How much states accepted that referendum in Crimea? What if there would have been a war that prolonged the time from referendum to the independency?

But thank you for the show case, you also just accept the border changes that you like. Who says yes to Crimea not beeing part of Ukraine anymore, must also support Kosovo, Republika Srpska, Catalonia, North Ireland,... same is valid the other way around.
Kosovo is like a heavy chain around the neck when you try to swim. It does not help anybody in the rest of serbia. What benefit has somebody in Belgrad, Novi Sad, Cacak,... from having Kosovo under the control of politicians in Belgrade? There are more important problems that people have here. And nobody will have more money or better healthcare if Kosovo is back under Belgrade influence.

@ Jovan

Why do you think that the US cares so much about Kosovo? Or Syria? It's not realistic. If the US wanted to kick Assad out of office so strongly then it would have taken enough military action to do so. But although most Americans would like to see a ruthless dictator removed from office, a worse outcome could have been the result. A person always has to look ahead.

It is always funny when western, russians or balkan politicians talk about Kosovo or Crimea. Each of them would never suggest the same solution for both issues.
West: Kosovo referendum was ok, crimea referendum not
Russia: kosovo referendum was not ok, crimea referendum was ok

It shows what selfish reasons they all have.

Thank God Tzar Vlade will never permit that to happen !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 10 August 2018 23:18

Tzar vlade it’s temporarily . USA thank God has a good memory , and will get you serbs sooner or later .
(Who, 11 August 2018 01:39)

@ Whoaj - pure Albanian name;))
USA memory is very, very short! They will sell you if they own you and will buy you if they don’t!
Srbija found this out already and you albies are about to... enjoy the show ;)

... There was no referendum on Kosovo independence, except for one in 1991 that the whole world rejected (except for Albania).
(Zoran, 10 August 2018 15:38)

So, if one follows your line of thinking (or lack-of-thinking), the next referendum in Serbia is worthless if the whole world rejects it!!?

Only if you could kindly remind us when did the whole world held the referendum to reject the Kosova referendum of 1991 and also when did Albania held the referendum to not have a referendum on Kosova's referendum?

@Zoran:
So basically you say, if there is a referendum hold and other states do not recognize it, it was not a referendum. You can be sure in the meantime the west recognize that one if needed.
Why I have the impression that some referendums you would except even if only one state would recognize it and others not. Let's say Bosnian Serbs want to join serbia, make a referendum and only russia accepts that? Now starts a war Russia wins it for serbs in bosnia, I guess that than this would be ok with you. And you would argue that there was a referendum.

@ Tito reloaded

"How much states accepted that referendum in Crimea? What if there would have been a war that prolonged the time from referendum to the independency?

But thank you for the show case, you also just accept the border changes that you like. Who says yes to Crimea not beeing part of Ukraine anymore, must also support Kosovo, Republika Srpska, Catalonia, North Ireland,... same is valid the other way around.
Kosovo is like a heavy chain around the neck when you try to swim. It does not help anybody in the rest of serbia. What benefit has somebody in Belgrad, Novi Sad, Cacak,... from having Kosovo under the control of politicians in Belgrade? There are more important problems that people have here. And nobody will have more money or better healthcare if Kosovo is back under Belgrade influence."

and...

"The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !
(Azir)
like to serbian nationalist I recommend you in such actions to be in the first row too. Maybe you all can meet on a field and slaughter each other. The less of you the better for the rest of the population. Just let the people in peace that just want to have a normal life.
You and your brothers in mind from albania, bosnia, croatia, kosovo, serbia,.. are the true cancer in the region."

I agree with you 100%. I couldn't have said it better myself.

There was no referendum on Kosovo independence, except for one in 1991 that the whole world rejected (except for Albania).
(Zoran, 10 August 2018 15:38)

Only if you could kindly remind us when did the whole world held the referendum to reject the Kosova referendum of 1991
(Tom L'Orizi, 11 August 2018 19:22)

It looks like our dear friend Zoran confused the 1991 referendum in Kosovo with the 2014 referendum in Crimea, because it was the 2014 referendum in Crimea that was determined by the UN as having no validity.

Dragolub

Ukraineians are not part of Eastern Orthodox, so it’s ok to kill them, that’s how mother russia wants to kill them , right? I like how Chetnik thinks , lol
(Who, 10 August 2018 16:39)

One segment of the Ukrainian population is Roman Catholic and they were Nazi puppets with Hitler 1939 - 1945 and they are with Hitler today ! These Roman Catholic Ukrainians are a poison to Russia just like the Croatian Nazi Ustasa is poison to Srbija ! Nazi Roman Catholic Empire wants to murder off all Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Europe, Thank God Tzar Vlade will never permit that to happen !!!

Too much focus is placed on Trepca, but there are countries out there that don't have a Trepca and they do just fine. Besides, even if you lose one economic resource, a merger with Albania will help even out the loss because you become a 5+ million market instead of less than 2 million depending on Trepca.

The North is part of Kosova and I strongly recommend Oluja !
(Azir, 10 August 2018 23:28)
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I strongly recommend lobotomy.

Map it:

As I said before the natural resources belong to the indigenous Shqiptare Kosovars .

The West conditioned independence on the agreement that union with Albania wasn’t to happen.

Greater Albania is the night mare of Slavs especially Serbs .

But they ignorantly cry to Russia 🇷🇺 and China 🇨🇳 to veto UN membership therefore UNION with Albania is the only option,

Serbs claim they are against “Greater Albania” but there actions indicate the opposite.

Hint for Serbs -

If you want to prevent “ Greater Albania “ simply unobstruct Kosova’s path as an independent nation into the UN.

@ Whoaj - pure Albanian name;))
USA memory is very, very short! They will sell you if they own you and will buy you if they don’t!
Srbija found this out already and you albies are about to... enjoy the show ;)
(Watcher, 11 August 2018 17:01)

Don't listen to Jimy (with one 'm'). He ain't real.

Peggy, the merger with Albania has already happened, the bilateral treaties between the two are so connective that you can hardly find similar treaties anywhere between two countries. Even between two states in a federation like US or Brazil you can’t find such deals.

Actually treaties govern fundamental aspects in their own specific fields and they are useful on a daily basis. What does remittance income have to do with the fact that Albania and Kosovo have merged key aspects of their operations and are de-facto acting as a unified state? I could also say that Serbia is nothing without Russia’s backing, but that wasn’t the topic.
(Mapit, 13 August 2018 13:54)

I know what treatise are and their function, but they are useless between Kosovo and Albania since Kosovo is actually governed by the EU and US. Its more for show than any real purpose. Remittance show the wealth of Kosovo and that is has nothing.

(Tom L'Orizi, 13 August 2018 17:09)

Fictive Italian Albo, let’s look at Kosovo’s finances. Last year it had growth rate of about 4%, but in 2018 it is projected to reach 4.8%. On face value this looks fantastic until you dig a little deeper and find out that the growth rate is all tied to Albanians working in the EU and sending back money to relations so in essence if this were to stop there would be starvation.
So, Kosovo has little to nothing, but if I am wrong please list all of Kosovo’s industries that create this largess. What does it produce? Who does it sell to?
Now as far as Serbian exports are concerned, these are all food stuff, but I strongly suggest that you guys go and buy from the EU if you can get it cheaper, or even better buy from the motherland Albania, chop, chop.
This imaginary Kosova must be a fantastic place, but unfortunately it does not match reality much like your writing.

And nobody will have more money or better healthcare if Kosovo is back under Belgrade influence.
(Tito reloaded, 10 August 2018 20:53)
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You miss the point entirely. Yes, part of it is the fact that Kosovo is very important to Serbs (not just the Serbs in Serbia) as it's our Jerusalem, but also part of it is the fact that once they manage to get Kosovo taken away from Serbia what else can be take away?
Bit by bit parts of Serbia can be broken away on the same basis as Kosovo. Start a war, cry war crimes and get your "reward".
When the same thing happens, will you again say that Serbia dosn't stand to benefit by fighting for the next peace of land and let it go?
Do you not see the bigger picture here?

Peggy, the merger with Albania has already happened, the bilateral treaties between the two are so connective that you can hardly find similar treaties anywhere between two countries. Even between two states in a federation like US or Brazil you can’t find such deals.
(Mapit, 13 August 2018 10:36)

The only way you can connect is if it joins with Albania otherwise bilateral treatise are BS. They are worthless pieces of paper. Meaningless. What has Kosovo to trade with since it has no manufacturing, industry, tourism or anything. If relatives did not work in s*** jobs in the EU and did not send money back to Kosovo the people would starve.
The treaties are all show.

If treaties at "all show" - as you wishfully think - why you're frothing and foaming then!?
(Tom L'Orizi, 13 August 2018 12:39)

Well fake Italiano I'm just pointing out that treaties are not worth much unless you have something of value to trade with and Kosova has nothing to trade with unless its criminals and drugs - perhaps I am wrong LOL.

Honestly I think Serbia realizes that whether Kosovo and Albania merge or not, they de-facto run as one country, so it's not like the official merger changes anything. These two countries should merge, it makes logical sense, but why not exchange border towns first so that there's more cohesion in internal politics for both Serbia and Albania+Kosovo going forward.

If you want to prevent “ Greater Albania “ simply unobstruct Kosova’s path as an independent nation into the UN.
(Azir, 12 August 2018 04:22)
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Do you really think that anyone is going to allow you to join Albania for ANY reason?
We can obstruct all we like and you won't be able to move forward until you come to your senses.

So if, for example, Kosovo and Albania stop conducting customs controls at their border, you will move from Australia to the border between Kosovo and Albania to conduct customs control in order not to allow Albania and Kosovo to become one country lol
(icj1, 14 August 2018 03:54)
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B92 moderator, do you really give comments like this same status as sane ones therefore allow them to get through?
This doesn't contribute anything to a sensible discussion but only makes the whole thing insulting to people who want to have serious discussion.
Are you a serious site or a tabloid?

The only way you can connect is if it joins with Albania otherwise bilateral treatise are BS. They are worthless pieces of paper. Meaningless. What has Kosovo to trade with since it has no manufacturing, industry, tourism or anything. If relatives did not work in s*** jobs in the EU and did not send money back to Kosovo the people would starve.
The treaties are all show.
(sj, 13 August 2018 11:37)

If treaties at "all show" - as you wishfully think - why you're frothing and foaming then!?

@peggy:
Jerusalem? I am not a friend of this crazy guys with long beards and black dresses that believe in ghosts. Jerusalem arguments in many conflicts brought already too much suffering to humans.
Bigger picture: if Kosovo stays Kosovo Albanians will be in a few generations majority in serbia. I do not care but it is funny that nationalists want this, what will end in their biggest fear. ;)

Do you really think that anyone is going to allow you to join Albania for ANY reason? We can obstruct all we like and you won't be able to move forward until you come to your senses.
(Peggy, 13 August 2018 05:07)

So if, for example, Kosovo and Albania stop conducting customs controls at their border, you will move from Australia to the border between Kosovo and Albania to conduct customs control in order not to allow Albania and Kosovo to become one country lol

Do you really think that anyone is going to allow you to join Albania for ANY reason? We can obstruct all we like and you won't be able to move forward until you come to your senses.
(Peggy, 13 August 2018 05:07)

So if, for example, Kosovo and Albania stop conducting customs controls at their border, you will move from Australia to the border between Kosovo and Albania to conduct customs control in order not to allow Albania and Kosovo to become one country lol
(icj1, 14 August 2018 03:54)

This doesn't contribute anything to a sensible discussion but only makes the whole thing insulting to people who want to have serious discussion.
(Peggy, 15 August 2018 14:07)

Well, dear, you said that you will obstruct Kosovo joining Albania so I wanted to understand how exactly you will achieve that in practice. The practical solutions for achieving your proposals are certainly a sensible discussion and I'm not sure why you think that the practical implementation of your proposals would be insulting to anybody!

Actually treaties govern fundamental aspects in their own specific fields and they are useful on a daily basis. What does remittance income have to do with the fact that Albania and Kosovo have merged key aspects of their operations and are de-facto acting as a unified state? I could also say that Serbia is nothing without Russia’s backing, but that wasn’t the topic.

Well fake Italiano I'm just pointing out that treaties are not worth much unless you have something of value to trade with and Kosova has nothing to trade with unless its criminals and drugs - perhaps I am wrong LOL.
(sj, 13 August 2018 13:40)

Last year, Serbia sold goods to Kosova worth €418 millions.

Well, if we apply your twisted logics, since according to you Kosovo has nothing of value, completely stopping the trade with Serbia will not harm Serbia's economy at all since Kosova anyway has nothing of value to start with!?

If you have ever been right, it must have been either unintentional or accidental - which makes you a proper staunch Serb as per Dobrica Ćosić, bless him.