"If Croatia won't - Serbia might build Holocaust museums"

Yes Jesanovac was a mass murdering camp where Croatian Nazi Ustase horrifically murdered probably more than one million Serbia, Roma and Jewish people but lets also mention Sisak Death Camp to torture and murder Serbian children run by Roman Catholic Nuns under the command of Roman Catholic Bishop Alojzije Stepinac !!!

Also lets not forget to mention the " Croatian Nazi Ustase Murdering Grounds " included all the tiny Serbian hamlets and small towns through out Dalmacija and Bosna - Herzegovina !!!

Finally I mention the reluctance of the Croatian people to denounce and accept the horrific atrocities they commited from 1940's to 1990's but the same like Josip Broz Tito who want to erase this wvil and wickedness from their blood stained consciences !!!

There are places ( not countries ) in the world, where Pictures of Adolf Hitler can be displayed without consquences...

There is even an albanian idiot who's running a Hitler-Café in Kosovo...

Never underestimate the level of Primitivity among some societies!

Make sure before you build the structure that you make sure there aren’t any Albanian bodies buried in the soil from when you brought them back to Serbia in trucks in an attempt to hide the bodies. Oh, in general though, give it a rest already. Everyone in the region is moving forward with their lives while you’re seeing how far back in history you can go to score political points. Serbs are stupid so I guess it works. Won’t be surprised if Vucic begins whining about injustices in 1392 and begins reading witness statements🤣😂🤣

Vucic added that Serbia was "not running away from the story about the suffering of other peoples in the region," and stressed that he was "proud of that." Is it the same Vucic that said for every 1 Serb killed 100 Bosniaks will be killed in the 1990's. Serbia should make a holocaust museum of Serbia's many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II crimes threw the centuries. Lets not forget Serbia's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Serbian_war_crimes_in_the_Bosnian_War http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbian-security-service-participated-in-wartime-crimes--03-06-2018 so recent horrific crimes of the 1990's and so many more. Ya we should all open Serbia/Serbs as perpetrators of holocaust museums in the surrounding country's. Serbia as the main criminal instigator of the region.

@Dragoljub

Approximately 120,000 people were murdered in Jasenovac , not 1 million.

Josip Broz Tito who want to erase this wvil and wickedness from their blood stained consciences !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic)
croatian atrocities from 45 to 90?
I explain you the current difference between France and England comparing to the Balkan. They stopped watching so much into their hatress from the past. If they would not have stopped with that they would be still from time to time in war. They understood that this comparising of atrocities is an endless loop of hate. Here politicians still talk about the horrible things from the past in a way like but the other side.....
As far as I remember there was a monument (whichs architect had to leave the country because of Milosevic) during Tito time build in Jasenovac, in movies Ustasha appeared but he understood that the past must be left behind to avoid killing in the future. But the nationalists in the republics brought up the ghosts from the past.
Bratstvo i jedinstvo did not create fear that lead to another war. It was Tudjman, Milosevic and their fascist friends that came up again with the rethoric from the past and creating fear of the other side.
I think every Ustasha fan should be locked up as any nationalist that leads people with hate speeches into another war.
You can keep up the hate and fear, I am sure you will find adequat people on the other side. I will go there like every year and will have a great time there.

From Dwight: "Approximately 120,000 people were murdered in Jasenovac..."

Says the resident historical revisionist of B92.
(njegos, 23 April 2018 21:57)

Enlighten us please with the real number of victims and the credible and verifiable source of your information.

Just to remind you, your good old nazi camp guard friend with immaculate book keeping abilities should not count as a reliable source due to him being a nazi.

Don't forget Nazi Ukraine stands side by side with Nazi Croatia.

. Oh, in general though, give it a rest already. Everyone in the region is moving forward with their lives while you’re seeing how far back in history you can go to score political points
========================
Is that so?
Why are you Albanians always moaning about Racak and other imaginary massacres? They aren't even real.
How about the "genocide" of Srebrenica. Every year commemoration is being held. Are you going to tell them to give it a rest too?
Just as many Serbs were killed in and around Srebrenica as Muslims but somehow Muslims lives matter more.
How's that for political scoring?
I guess you want to tell the Jews to forget about WW2 as well or they don't have to because their numbers were greater? If it's about the numbers then tell the Bosniaks to put a sock in it when it comes to Srebrenica.
Bottom line, you don't get to tell anyone how they are going to remember their dead and for how long.

From Dwight: "Approximately 120,000 people were murdered in Jasenovac..."

Says the resident historical revisionist of B92.

You can keep up the hate and fear, I am sure you will find adequat people on the other side. I will go there like every year and will have a great time there.
(Tito reloaded, 23 April 2018 19:02)

Tito, you're trying to paint this beautiful picture of Yugoslavia under Josip Broz and it couldn't be further from the truth. The way dictatorships work my friend is by brainwashing people to believe in a philosophy that's unattainable. They had you believing in this utopia under the guise of Bratsvo Jedinstvo, but it never truly existed. There was more corruption and underhanded dealing when Tito ran the country than any other time in recent history. Hate and fear?!?! Ask someone who didn't belong to the Communist party buddy, then you'll see how far your Bratstvo Jedinstvo goes. Everyone was too afraid to speak up against Tito because they didn't want to be sent and beaten in jail. He was an evil man who ruled with an iron fist, and no one was going to go against him.

Oh funny Vucic wants to build "Holocaust" museums in another country... Shouldn't Serbia lead by example and build memorials to all of the victims they caused since its existence? Shouldn't Batajnica be turned into a memorial to Albanians the murderous Serbian State killed, maimed, expelled, robbed and raped from 1878 until 1999?
It is insulting to the real victims of Jasenovac that Vucic who called for killings of innocent civilians like Bosniaks dare to speak in their name.
Jasenovac was a crime against humanity no doubt about it. There is no need to compare it to Holocaust, especially coming from the mouth of Vucic.

"...They were your allies during WWII, not the Serbs. You, your Croat friends and the Nazis all had the same goal of eliminating the Serbs. Unfortunately for you Tom, some of us know your history better than you do. Or maybe you just don't want to admit it."
(njegos, 25 April 2018 00:42)

njegosh,

Using your analogy, Dobrica Ćosić and his definition of Serbhood is very reliable and trustworthy starting position how to treat and deal with Serbs - which you utterly rejected every time I mentioned it not so long ago - which in return, proves Ćosić to be spot-on.

Unfortunately for you, everybody knows the history of Serbs exactly as you Serbs came across.

And believe me, Albanians repeat one thing to their children and grandchildren: Never trust a Serb, not even when he cries.

When you Serbs change so that you can be trusted - we will let you know. Untill then, blame Dobrica Ćosić for having a blip of honesty.

From Tom L'Orizi: "And believe me, Albanians repeat one thing to their children and grandchildren: Never trust a Serb..."

LOL! You're not really going to bring up the word 'trust' are you Tom? 'Trust' doesn't exist in the Albanian vernacular and you know it. One doesn't have to look any further than the Albanian's repeated attempt to renege on their word on the Brussels agreement. Five years ago, your leaders agreed to establish the ZSO. Remember?? Then, a week ago, they said they would establish the ZSO in 4 months. Remember?? And now, your 'trustworthy' leaders say they will implement the ZSO when Kosovo is accepted into the EU. What's next Tom? Tell us, what do Albanian mothers and grandmothers teach their children about Albanian men? Please answer Tom.

Serbia already had an excellent Holocaust museum, called the Museum of Genocide, curated by my late friend Dr. Milan Bulajic. It was closed due to policies of the regime of Boris Tadic. If you can find all the photographs and documentary evidence he collected and displayed, you'll have a ready made Holocaust Museum.

...Tell us, what do Albanian mothers and grandmothers teach their children about Albanian men? Please answer Tom.
(njegos, 25 April 2018 20:21)

njegosh,

All deserved superlatives - what else?!!!

Serbia MUST build these memorial museums !
The Croatian leadership and too many of its citizens, never will.

njegosh,

All deserved superlatives - what else?!!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 25 April 2018 22:25)
===…==
Like what? Most arrogant. craziest, most unreliable, shiftiest?
(Peggy, 26 April 2018 02:10)

Peggy,

No, those you mentioned are set aside to describe Serbs.

Sorry for being blatantly honest.

Sorry for being blatantly honest.
(Tom L'Orizi, 26 April 2018 19:48)

—-

Perhaps you and so many others on this site should realize that insulting an entire ethnic group is not honesty, it is blatant bigotry.
Consequently, we agree that you are one “sorry” individual.

Jasenovac was a crime against humanity no doubt about it. There is no need to compare it to Holocaust, especially coming from the mouth of Vucic.
(Niko)
It is not needed to compare it to the Holocaust, it was part of it. Jewish people got killed there during the Holocaust. Maybe the killing of serbs there is called genozid on serbs, but the killing of jewish people there was by any definition part of the Holocaust.
And yes I agree Vucic in general should shut up, he lost the right to say anything politically already in the 90s, and with his mindset it is obvious what he would have been during ww2 if he would have been catholic.

Tell us, what do Albanian mothers and grandmothers teach their children about Albanian men? Please answer Tom.
(njegos, 25 April 2018 20:21)

njegosh,

All deserved superlatives - what else?!!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 25 April 2018 22:25)
=======================
Like what? Most arrogant. craziest, most unreliable, shiftiest?

From Tom L'orizi: "Enlighten us please with the real number of victims and the credible and verifiable source of your information.

Just to remind you, your good old nazi camp guard friend with immaculate book keeping abilities should not count as a reliable source due to him being a nazi."

I've enlightened you and provided verifiable sources that your revisionist buddy Dwight couldn't refute. And now you're asking me to do it again. And I'm not sure why you discount the testimony of Nazi officers. They were your allies during WWII, not the Serbs. You, your Croat friends and the Nazis all had the same goal of eliminating the Serbs. Unfortunately for you Tom, some of us know your history better than you do. Or maybe you just don't want to admit it.

Tito, I'll agree, to disagree! This conversation is too complex to discuss via back-and-forth banter in a forum.
(ChiTown)
agreed. :)

Milan Bulajic was a great man and historian. Why did Tadić not support his work? It is shameful (sramota).
And Russell Gordon is a great man too. I remember you both with tremendous admiration !

"Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic says his country could build museums dedicated to Holocaust victims"

That's a good idea since Serbia was the first place in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation.

@ChiTown
Do not worry, I know it was not all perfectly in Yugoslavia.
But health insurance, pensions at least the people got. Now there is a lost generation that has problems to collect years to get a retirement money at all, many have to work without beeing registered. Sorry but corruption is today still higher than it was unter Titos time.
You can be brainwashed with any ideology. Is it capitalism, nationalism,... Starting from the middle 80s nationalism brainwashing started and what was the outcome? War. Brainwashing during communism never went anyhow close to a civil war.
Ideology we are all friends vs. we above the others. What sounds more reasonable?
The society in a real communist state has to except that they will not be leading with technologies or with money, for this the system of greed (capitslism) works better, but they have other richnesses like social equality (of course never perfect but much better).

@ Tito reloaded - I think that if Jugoslavia could have survived another 20-30 years more than it did, the generation in place would have considered themselves "Jugoslavs" and would have survived attempts at breaking up that country...sadly, we'll never know!
(Watcher, 24 April 2018 16:14)

Watcher, Yugoslavia was already changing and moving in the direction of Democracy in the late 80's. Unfortunately, I think this didn't suit the US/West for obvious reasons, so they started supporting the break away groups to create the environment we saw in the 90's - this didn't prove difficult because of the history in the Balkans. Had this not happened, I think the country would be on par with any powerhouse in Europe today - and, you know that wasn't going to happen because of the powers that be. Just an opinion....

@ChiTown
Do not worry, I know it was not all perfectly in Yugoslavia.
But health insurance, pensions at least the people got. Now there is a lost generation that has problems to collect years to get a retirement money at all, many have to work without beeing registered. Sorry but corruption is today still higher than it was unter Titos time.
You can be brainwashed with any ideology. Is it capitalism, nationalism,... Starting from the middle 80s nationalism brainwashing started and what was the outcome? War. Brainwashing during communism never went anyhow close to a civil war.
Ideology we are all friends vs. we above the others. What sounds more reasonable?
The society in a real communist state has to except that they will not be leading with technologies or with money, for this the system of greed (capitslism) works better, but they have other richnesses like social equality (of course never perfect but much better).
(Tito reloaded, 24 April 2018 13:18)

@ Tito reloaded - I think that if Jugoslavia could have survived another 20-30 years more than it did, the generation in place would have considered themselves "Jugoslavs" and would have survived attempts at breaking up that country...sadly, we'll never know!

@ChiTown
Do not worry, I know it was not all perfectly in Yugoslavia.
But health insurance, pensions at least the people got. Now there is a lost generation that has problems to collect years to get a retirement money at all, many have to work without beeing registered. Sorry but corruption is today still higher than it was unter Titos time.
You can be brainwashed with any ideology. Is it capitalism, nationalism,... Starting from the middle 80s nationalism brainwashing started and what was the outcome? War. Brainwashing during communism never went anyhow close to a civil war.
Ideology we are all friends vs. we above the others. What sounds more reasonable?
The society in a real communist state has to except that they will not be leading with technologies or with money, for this the system of greed (capitslism) works better, but they have other richnesses like social equality (of course never perfect but much better).
(Tito reloaded, 24 April 2018 13:18)

Tito, I'll agree, to disagree! This conversation is too complex to discuss via back-and-forth banter in a forum.

Enlighten us please with the real number of victims and the credible and verifiable source of your information.
(Tom L'Orizi, 24 April 2018 17:15)

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Well according to the counting scheme repetitively used by Tom and his ilk, the ptecise number of "more than" some rounded integer such as 300 000 is a recognizable mathematic convention.

Ti ne znade mreti kraj slomljenog maca,
Na poljima rodnim, braneci ih casno.

Kitio si cvecem svakog osvajaca,Pevajuc’ mu himne, bestidno I glasno.
Slobodu si vecno, zakržljala raso,Cek’o da donesu tudji bajoneti,

Po gorama svojim tudja stada pas’o,Jer dostojno ne znaš za Slobodu mreti.

Pokaži mi redom Viteze tvog roda,Sto balcakom s ruku slomiše ti lance,
Gde je Karadjordje tvojega naroda,Pokaži mi tvoje termopilske klance.

S tudjinskom si kamom puzio po blatu,S krvološtvom zvera, pogane hijene,
Da bi mucki udar s ledja dao Bratu,I ubio porod u utrobi žene.

Još bezbrojna groblja zatravio nisi,A krvavu kamu u nedrima skrivaš,
Sa vešala starih novi konop visi,U sumraku uma novog gazdu snivaš.

Branio si zemlju od nejaci naše,Iz kolevke pio krv nevine dece,
Pod znamenje srama uz ime ustaše,Stavio si Hrista, Slobodu I Svece.

U bezumlju gledaš ko će nove kame,Oštrije I ljuce opet da ti skuje,Ciju li ceš pušku obesit’ o rame,Ko najbolje ume da ti komanduje.

Jovan Ducic

icj1,
Stop with your Ustaša propaganda. The Jews of Serbia were murdered by Nazi occupiers and created mobile gas ovens to murder Jews because the Serbs, unlike the Croats, refused to cooperate with the Nazis. In fact, en masse, the Serbs did the opposite of most Croats : they came into the streets to yell "Bolje Grob, Nego Rob" (better grave than slave). For that they were mercilessly bombed by Hitler who had a fit after hearing about Serb defiance.
You fool no one.

Make sure before you build the structure that you make sure there aren’t any Albanian bodies buried in the soil from when you brought them back to Serbia in trucks in an attempt to hide the bodies. Oh, in general though, give it a rest already. Everyone in the region is moving forward with their lives while you’re seeing how far back in history you can go to score political points. Serbs are stupid so I guess it works. Won’t be surprised if Vucic begins whining about injustices in 1392 and begins reading witness statements🤣😂🤣

Vucic added that Serbia was "not running away from the story about the suffering of other peoples in the region," and stressed that he was "proud of that." Is it the same Vucic that said for every 1 Serb killed 100 Bosniaks will be killed in the 1990's. Serbia should make a holocaust museum of Serbia's many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetnik_war_crimes_in_World_War_II crimes threw the centuries. Lets not forget Serbia's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Serbian_war_crimes_in_the_Bosnian_War http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbian-security-service-participated-in-wartime-crimes--03-06-2018 so recent horrific crimes of the 1990's and so many more. Ya we should all open Serbia/Serbs as perpetrators of holocaust museums in the surrounding country's. Serbia as the main criminal instigator of the region.

@Dragoljub

Approximately 120,000 people were murdered in Jasenovac , not 1 million.

Yes Jesanovac was a mass murdering camp where Croatian Nazi Ustase horrifically murdered probably more than one million Serbia, Roma and Jewish people but lets also mention Sisak Death Camp to torture and murder Serbian children run by Roman Catholic Nuns under the command of Roman Catholic Bishop Alojzije Stepinac !!!

Also lets not forget to mention the " Croatian Nazi Ustase Murdering Grounds " included all the tiny Serbian hamlets and small towns through out Dalmacija and Bosna - Herzegovina !!!

Finally I mention the reluctance of the Croatian people to denounce and accept the horrific atrocities they commited from 1940's to 1990's but the same like Josip Broz Tito who want to erase this wvil and wickedness from their blood stained consciences !!!

. Oh, in general though, give it a rest already. Everyone in the region is moving forward with their lives while you’re seeing how far back in history you can go to score political points
========================
Is that so?
Why are you Albanians always moaning about Racak and other imaginary massacres? They aren't even real.
How about the "genocide" of Srebrenica. Every year commemoration is being held. Are you going to tell them to give it a rest too?
Just as many Serbs were killed in and around Srebrenica as Muslims but somehow Muslims lives matter more.
How's that for political scoring?
I guess you want to tell the Jews to forget about WW2 as well or they don't have to because their numbers were greater? If it's about the numbers then tell the Bosniaks to put a sock in it when it comes to Srebrenica.
Bottom line, you don't get to tell anyone how they are going to remember their dead and for how long.

Josip Broz Tito who want to erase this wvil and wickedness from their blood stained consciences !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic)
croatian atrocities from 45 to 90?
I explain you the current difference between France and England comparing to the Balkan. They stopped watching so much into their hatress from the past. If they would not have stopped with that they would be still from time to time in war. They understood that this comparising of atrocities is an endless loop of hate. Here politicians still talk about the horrible things from the past in a way like but the other side.....
As far as I remember there was a monument (whichs architect had to leave the country because of Milosevic) during Tito time build in Jasenovac, in movies Ustasha appeared but he understood that the past must be left behind to avoid killing in the future. But the nationalists in the republics brought up the ghosts from the past.
Bratstvo i jedinstvo did not create fear that lead to another war. It was Tudjman, Milosevic and their fascist friends that came up again with the rethoric from the past and creating fear of the other side.
I think every Ustasha fan should be locked up as any nationalist that leads people with hate speeches into another war.
You can keep up the hate and fear, I am sure you will find adequat people on the other side. I will go there like every year and will have a great time there.

Don't forget Nazi Ukraine stands side by side with Nazi Croatia.

...Tell us, what do Albanian mothers and grandmothers teach their children about Albanian men? Please answer Tom.
(njegos, 25 April 2018 20:21)

njegosh,

All deserved superlatives - what else?!!!

From Dwight: "Approximately 120,000 people were murdered in Jasenovac..."

Says the resident historical revisionist of B92.

You can keep up the hate and fear, I am sure you will find adequat people on the other side. I will go there like every year and will have a great time there.
(Tito reloaded, 23 April 2018 19:02)

Tito, you're trying to paint this beautiful picture of Yugoslavia under Josip Broz and it couldn't be further from the truth. The way dictatorships work my friend is by brainwashing people to believe in a philosophy that's unattainable. They had you believing in this utopia under the guise of Bratsvo Jedinstvo, but it never truly existed. There was more corruption and underhanded dealing when Tito ran the country than any other time in recent history. Hate and fear?!?! Ask someone who didn't belong to the Communist party buddy, then you'll see how far your Bratstvo Jedinstvo goes. Everyone was too afraid to speak up against Tito because they didn't want to be sent and beaten in jail. He was an evil man who ruled with an iron fist, and no one was going to go against him.

There are places ( not countries ) in the world, where Pictures of Adolf Hitler can be displayed without consquences...

There is even an albanian idiot who's running a Hitler-Café in Kosovo...

Never underestimate the level of Primitivity among some societies!

Oh funny Vucic wants to build "Holocaust" museums in another country... Shouldn't Serbia lead by example and build memorials to all of the victims they caused since its existence? Shouldn't Batajnica be turned into a memorial to Albanians the murderous Serbian State killed, maimed, expelled, robbed and raped from 1878 until 1999?
It is insulting to the real victims of Jasenovac that Vucic who called for killings of innocent civilians like Bosniaks dare to speak in their name.
Jasenovac was a crime against humanity no doubt about it. There is no need to compare it to Holocaust, especially coming from the mouth of Vucic.

njegosh,

All deserved superlatives - what else?!!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 25 April 2018 22:25)
===…==
Like what? Most arrogant. craziest, most unreliable, shiftiest?
(Peggy, 26 April 2018 02:10)

Peggy,

No, those you mentioned are set aside to describe Serbs.

Sorry for being blatantly honest.

"...They were your allies during WWII, not the Serbs. You, your Croat friends and the Nazis all had the same goal of eliminating the Serbs. Unfortunately for you Tom, some of us know your history better than you do. Or maybe you just don't want to admit it."
(njegos, 25 April 2018 00:42)

njegosh,

Using your analogy, Dobrica Ćosić and his definition of Serbhood is very reliable and trustworthy starting position how to treat and deal with Serbs - which you utterly rejected every time I mentioned it not so long ago - which in return, proves Ćosić to be spot-on.

Unfortunately for you, everybody knows the history of Serbs exactly as you Serbs came across.

And believe me, Albanians repeat one thing to their children and grandchildren: Never trust a Serb, not even when he cries.

When you Serbs change so that you can be trusted - we will let you know. Untill then, blame Dobrica Ćosić for having a blip of honesty.

From Tom L'Orizi: "And believe me, Albanians repeat one thing to their children and grandchildren: Never trust a Serb..."

LOL! You're not really going to bring up the word 'trust' are you Tom? 'Trust' doesn't exist in the Albanian vernacular and you know it. One doesn't have to look any further than the Albanian's repeated attempt to renege on their word on the Brussels agreement. Five years ago, your leaders agreed to establish the ZSO. Remember?? Then, a week ago, they said they would establish the ZSO in 4 months. Remember?? And now, your 'trustworthy' leaders say they will implement the ZSO when Kosovo is accepted into the EU. What's next Tom? Tell us, what do Albanian mothers and grandmothers teach their children about Albanian men? Please answer Tom.

From Dwight: "Approximately 120,000 people were murdered in Jasenovac..."

Says the resident historical revisionist of B92.
(njegos, 23 April 2018 21:57)

Enlighten us please with the real number of victims and the credible and verifiable source of your information.

Just to remind you, your good old nazi camp guard friend with immaculate book keeping abilities should not count as a reliable source due to him being a nazi.

From Tom L'orizi: "Enlighten us please with the real number of victims and the credible and verifiable source of your information.

Just to remind you, your good old nazi camp guard friend with immaculate book keeping abilities should not count as a reliable source due to him being a nazi."

I've enlightened you and provided verifiable sources that your revisionist buddy Dwight couldn't refute. And now you're asking me to do it again. And I'm not sure why you discount the testimony of Nazi officers. They were your allies during WWII, not the Serbs. You, your Croat friends and the Nazis all had the same goal of eliminating the Serbs. Unfortunately for you Tom, some of us know your history better than you do. Or maybe you just don't want to admit it.

@ChiTown
Do not worry, I know it was not all perfectly in Yugoslavia.
But health insurance, pensions at least the people got. Now there is a lost generation that has problems to collect years to get a retirement money at all, many have to work without beeing registered. Sorry but corruption is today still higher than it was unter Titos time.
You can be brainwashed with any ideology. Is it capitalism, nationalism,... Starting from the middle 80s nationalism brainwashing started and what was the outcome? War. Brainwashing during communism never went anyhow close to a civil war.
Ideology we are all friends vs. we above the others. What sounds more reasonable?
The society in a real communist state has to except that they will not be leading with technologies or with money, for this the system of greed (capitslism) works better, but they have other richnesses like social equality (of course never perfect but much better).
(Tito reloaded, 24 April 2018 13:18)

@ Tito reloaded - I think that if Jugoslavia could have survived another 20-30 years more than it did, the generation in place would have considered themselves "Jugoslavs" and would have survived attempts at breaking up that country...sadly, we'll never know!

Tell us, what do Albanian mothers and grandmothers teach their children about Albanian men? Please answer Tom.
(njegos, 25 April 2018 20:21)

njegosh,

All deserved superlatives - what else?!!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 25 April 2018 22:25)
=======================
Like what? Most arrogant. craziest, most unreliable, shiftiest?

Sorry for being blatantly honest.
(Tom L'Orizi, 26 April 2018 19:48)

—-

Perhaps you and so many others on this site should realize that insulting an entire ethnic group is not honesty, it is blatant bigotry.
Consequently, we agree that you are one “sorry” individual.

"Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic says his country could build museums dedicated to Holocaust victims"

That's a good idea since Serbia was the first place in the Balkans to be declared judenfrei during WW2 with the help of Serbia's Government of National Salvation.

@ChiTown
Do not worry, I know it was not all perfectly in Yugoslavia.
But health insurance, pensions at least the people got. Now there is a lost generation that has problems to collect years to get a retirement money at all, many have to work without beeing registered. Sorry but corruption is today still higher than it was unter Titos time.
You can be brainwashed with any ideology. Is it capitalism, nationalism,... Starting from the middle 80s nationalism brainwashing started and what was the outcome? War. Brainwashing during communism never went anyhow close to a civil war.
Ideology we are all friends vs. we above the others. What sounds more reasonable?
The society in a real communist state has to except that they will not be leading with technologies or with money, for this the system of greed (capitslism) works better, but they have other richnesses like social equality (of course never perfect but much better).

Jasenovac was a crime against humanity no doubt about it. There is no need to compare it to Holocaust, especially coming from the mouth of Vucic.
(Niko)
It is not needed to compare it to the Holocaust, it was part of it. Jewish people got killed there during the Holocaust. Maybe the killing of serbs there is called genozid on serbs, but the killing of jewish people there was by any definition part of the Holocaust.
And yes I agree Vucic in general should shut up, he lost the right to say anything politically already in the 90s, and with his mindset it is obvious what he would have been during ww2 if he would have been catholic.

@ Tito reloaded - I think that if Jugoslavia could have survived another 20-30 years more than it did, the generation in place would have considered themselves "Jugoslavs" and would have survived attempts at breaking up that country...sadly, we'll never know!
(Watcher, 24 April 2018 16:14)

Watcher, Yugoslavia was already changing and moving in the direction of Democracy in the late 80's. Unfortunately, I think this didn't suit the US/West for obvious reasons, so they started supporting the break away groups to create the environment we saw in the 90's - this didn't prove difficult because of the history in the Balkans. Had this not happened, I think the country would be on par with any powerhouse in Europe today - and, you know that wasn't going to happen because of the powers that be. Just an opinion....

Serbia MUST build these memorial museums !
The Croatian leadership and too many of its citizens, never will.

@ChiTown
Do not worry, I know it was not all perfectly in Yugoslavia.
But health insurance, pensions at least the people got. Now there is a lost generation that has problems to collect years to get a retirement money at all, many have to work without beeing registered. Sorry but corruption is today still higher than it was unter Titos time.
You can be brainwashed with any ideology. Is it capitalism, nationalism,... Starting from the middle 80s nationalism brainwashing started and what was the outcome? War. Brainwashing during communism never went anyhow close to a civil war.
Ideology we are all friends vs. we above the others. What sounds more reasonable?
The society in a real communist state has to except that they will not be leading with technologies or with money, for this the system of greed (capitslism) works better, but they have other richnesses like social equality (of course never perfect but much better).
(Tito reloaded, 24 April 2018 13:18)

Tito, I'll agree, to disagree! This conversation is too complex to discuss via back-and-forth banter in a forum.

Enlighten us please with the real number of victims and the credible and verifiable source of your information.
(Tom L'Orizi, 24 April 2018 17:15)

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Well according to the counting scheme repetitively used by Tom and his ilk, the ptecise number of "more than" some rounded integer such as 300 000 is a recognizable mathematic convention.

Serbia already had an excellent Holocaust museum, called the Museum of Genocide, curated by my late friend Dr. Milan Bulajic. It was closed due to policies of the regime of Boris Tadic. If you can find all the photographs and documentary evidence he collected and displayed, you'll have a ready made Holocaust Museum.

Ti ne znade mreti kraj slomljenog maca,
Na poljima rodnim, braneci ih casno.

Kitio si cvecem svakog osvajaca,Pevajuc’ mu himne, bestidno I glasno.
Slobodu si vecno, zakržljala raso,Cek’o da donesu tudji bajoneti,

Po gorama svojim tudja stada pas’o,Jer dostojno ne znaš za Slobodu mreti.

Pokaži mi redom Viteze tvog roda,Sto balcakom s ruku slomiše ti lance,
Gde je Karadjordje tvojega naroda,Pokaži mi tvoje termopilske klance.

S tudjinskom si kamom puzio po blatu,S krvološtvom zvera, pogane hijene,
Da bi mucki udar s ledja dao Bratu,I ubio porod u utrobi žene.

Još bezbrojna groblja zatravio nisi,A krvavu kamu u nedrima skrivaš,
Sa vešala starih novi konop visi,U sumraku uma novog gazdu snivaš.

Branio si zemlju od nejaci naše,Iz kolevke pio krv nevine dece,
Pod znamenje srama uz ime ustaše,Stavio si Hrista, Slobodu I Svece.

U bezumlju gledaš ko će nove kame,Oštrije I ljuce opet da ti skuje,Ciju li ceš pušku obesit’ o rame,Ko najbolje ume da ti komanduje.

Jovan Ducic

Tito, I'll agree, to disagree! This conversation is too complex to discuss via back-and-forth banter in a forum.
(ChiTown)
agreed. :)

Milan Bulajic was a great man and historian. Why did Tadić not support his work? It is shameful (sramota).
And Russell Gordon is a great man too. I remember you both with tremendous admiration !

icj1,
Stop with your Ustaša propaganda. The Jews of Serbia were murdered by Nazi occupiers and created mobile gas ovens to murder Jews because the Serbs, unlike the Croats, refused to cooperate with the Nazis. In fact, en masse, the Serbs did the opposite of most Croats : they came into the streets to yell "Bolje Grob, Nego Rob" (better grave than slave). For that they were mercilessly bombed by Hitler who had a fit after hearing about Serb defiance.
You fool no one.