A bipolar foreign policy will not work this time, mainly because the region is firmly fixed towards a EU path, and if voters believe that their country is being left out due to their politicians acting bipolar, they will just vote for politicians that have a pro-Western strategy. And yes, you could totally have a situation where even Kosovo and Albania catch up and join EU while Serbia is left behind. At that point it’s much more likely that Serbian voters will vote for pro-EU parties than join China, Russia, or some other fantasy like that.
That’s what I’m saying, it’s a transitional strategy (...)
(Decisions, 27 February 2018 15:55)
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You don't understand, do you? This is not now, nor has it ever been a "transitional" Serbian strategy. This is an alpha and omega of our national survival, a durable, permanent historical fixture we have been stuck with ever since we moved to the Balkans circa 600 AD. The bipolar Serbian foreign policy is NOT a choice, certainly not a POPULAR choice. It is a sheer necessity of national survival, a dire predicament placed on us by (a) our beloved Anglosaxon "allies" (b) our eternal Holy Roman Empire adversaries (c) The Russians (d) The OTTOMANS (not the Turks) and (e) Wall Street. Virtually every one of our 30 or so rulers since the early Middle Ages had to contend with competing spheres of influence over Serbia. Every time our foreign policy tilts into imbalance (real or imagined) between these five behemoths, threats are being waged against Serbs. Our people know this. They are aware of the fact that we have no other choice. See, Serbs are not as dumb as our European friends would have you believe.
As for EU accepting Albania and Kosovo before it accepts Serbia, I would find this entertaining to watch. The very next morning, 100% of the Serbian population would vote in droves to join China, and EU would end up with an open and unguarded 1200-mile border with the PRC. Wanna see this happen, Europe? Sure. Go ahead, punks. Make our day. And year. And millennium.
Those that choose to cut off their nose to spite their face always end up regretting it and are then relegated to the rubbish heap of losers.
(Mildred Green, 27 February 2018 11:10)
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If you call the European Union in its current embodiment and incarnation "a heap of winners", what with its constant, never-ending bickering, backstabbing, real-politik, cynicism, hypocrisy, corruption, nepotism, islamic fundamentalism, right-wing extremism, cold war paranoia, political correctness and opacity, spinelessness, sycophancy, cluelessness, structural bias against South and East Europe and abject lack of any discernible cultural or historical identity, tradition, mission and vision, then yes...perhaps remaining on the "heap of losers" might not be the worst thing that could happen to the Serbian people. Mind you, we have been called worse in 1914 and 1941 and yet, we are still here, and have every intention of staying indefinitely.
Serbian foreign policy is not a matter of "spiting" anyone. As I explained before, this was something imposed on us against our will and preference. But then, I would not expect our EU "friends" to understand something so simple, so easily. It requires a certain amount of intellectual and cerebral weight-lifting, doesn't it?
That’s what I’m saying, it’s a transitional strategy, but when time comes you’ll have to explain to your own voters why you pursued EU so adamantly, and all of a sudden there’s no actual accession happening. At that point other countries in the region will have started to join, and Serbian political actors that want EU accession, even at the cost of losing Kosovo, will start winning elections as well. The West will make sure to fund their campaigns much more than Russia can fund the anti-EU parties.
All West Balkan countries should forget EU is not going to happen not now neither tomorrow not in 100 years or 1000 years. The European dream is already gone and the one who still believes in fairy tales must be a pretty dumb. All countries in the region should change their policy towards EU and stick to their old potential alleys and look for their interests.
Nope. We ain't gonna. We will continue doing our thing to confuse our E(U)nemies. There is nothing wrong with pursuing mutually contradictory foreign policy goals if your survival depends on being schizo and if you are forced at gunpoint to do a double-play. Not our first choice, mind you, but we can play this game with the best of them.
(DEDA CVETKO, 27 February 2018 08:11)
We shall see, hee, hee, hee!
Those that choose to cut off their nose to spite their face always end up regretting it and are then relegated to the rubbish heap of losers.
"First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas?"
- Because we may not love EU but we certainly love the EU's accession funds. Why do you think Bulgarians and Romanians joined EU? Because they loved being molested by the alien empire 2,000 miles away?
"Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian?"
- For exactly the same reason Germans and Dutch are pro-Russian when it comes to buying the Russian natural gas. It is called "national interest".
"The two don’t mix."
Says who? Vladimir Putin has more admirers in Western Europe than Merkel, May, Macron, Pope, Erdogan and Osama Bin Ladin COMBINED. The French and British communists were the biggest Stalinists in the universe. The Russian democracy is no different than Swedish or Belgian - it's just that it is much more effective and much less sclerotic. Russia has been an integral part of the West since at least the early 1600s. Just ask Hitler.
"So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU."
- Nope. We ain't gonna. We will continue doing our thing to confuse our E(U)nemies. There is nothing wrong with pursuing mutually contradictory foreign policy goals if your survival depends on being schizo and if you are forced at gunpoint to do a double-play. Not our first choice, mind you, but we can play this game with the best of them.
If you are an enemy of Albanians, you kind of are angering their EU allies though, and they can stall or block your EU path. So playing “Switzerland” with EU doesn’t work because within EU there are Albanian allies that can and will use a veto if needed. Neutrality is a transitional strategy, but when decision time comes, its either recognition or no EU.
Now that Yugoslavia fell apart, Serbia is small and landlocked. Serbia's value to Russia, aside from claiming at least some friends, is relatively low. One thing is that Serbia is planning to become a EU member, and when that happens, it would have the ability to block some EU decisions, although this is not as easy as it may seem (such obstructionism comes at a cost). Serbia also has a number of fiercely pro-Russian Serbian nationalists, some of whom went as far as to fight in Syria with Russian troops. EU is not stupid to let Serbia to joy in the union without making some agreements.
1) Serbia immediately should stop relationship with Russia.
2)Serbia must recognize Kosovo as independent state.
If Serbia agrees they absolutely become part of EU.
Well,there's finally some good news! That means a welcome reprieve of at least 27 years before they "let" Serbia in. By then Serbia will,at present growth rates,be wealthier than most of those countries already members and probably won't be the slightest bit interested in joining.
First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas? Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian? The two don’t mix. So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU.
(Decisions, 26 February 2018 19:30)
@ decisions - Lol,albanians now using all kinds of handle names to make it sound good...lol!
Well, BG policy is the the BEST way forward for a Christian country, or for any country for that fact....FRIENDS with ALL, Enemies with NONE! How more fairer can you get then that? Bravo Vucice!
Albs - you put your faith in USA, guns & bombs, Srbija puts its faith in GOD, not Moscow or Washington!
I beg to differ as always. The argoment that Europe doesnt want us because of our muslim asses is precisely Rama's theory and source of the "global leader" greatest paranoia. Thats why he got his son blessed from the pope despite sons mother muslim huge ass. Invited the pope and made saints a bunch of fashist priests, organized concert in vatican for the vllah mother Tereza, etc etc. Weak argoment since Germany France and UK are on their way to become muslim countries very soon and it will take less than a decade.You have covered muslims and mosques in cities and villages everywhere in europe. Why would they cry about some harmless azirs in tirana sarajeva or shkupi?
First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas? Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian? The two don’t mix. So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU.
Romania it's the only country that bans the prostitution totally (reasons of morality), BUT it's on first place in "exports" of prostitutes, more than Russia and Ukraine.
Net salary/ wage it’s about 250 euro (per month)
A lot of people earn minimum wage, which is less than EUR 200 per MONTH. And the prices are at least similar with West EU countries.
As a Danish proverb states: “The old lie has more friends than the new truth.”
Why is Serbia such a rich country compared with Romania ?
- The careful management of the economy
- devolved democracy makes people responsible for their fate and not state dependent
- Make people responsible for themselves and not reliant on the government
- Instead money is spent on infrastructure, medical facilities, education, etc., which benefit everybody, not the aristocracy/ oligarchy, etc.
EU is jocking with us and we still believe their fairy tales. They don't like third world Western Balkan countries for many reasons. Partly countries like Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Macedonia have large Muslim population which means 0 chances to join in their club and the same way goes for Serbia as Russia's closest ally. It's time to let the Russians, Chinese and Turks to invest in the Balkans and confront EU. I see possible war in horizon and no hope.
Screw EU!!!
(BLACK EAGLE, 26 February 2018 12:45)
@ black pigeon - lol, you're finally getting it! Srbija is not your problem, EU is...and the US to shortly sell you out also...
I still pray that we don't do what Ukraine has done.
We should continue the way we always have and prove to be rich once again.
Continue the strong relationship with Russia. The EU is not advancing any other Balkan nations. We're only going to lose freedoms.
It's a club I don't want to be a member of, especially when they said 10 years ago we would join soon. I'm all for the reforms in the political and judicial sphere as that's positive, but I'm not all for the other prerequesites.
1. Sign the Biding Agreement with Kosovo and enter EU.
2. Not sign the Biding Agreement with Kosovo and wait till Kosovo enters EU.
This will take a little longer of course, 20-25 years but it's inevitable.
who says the serbian people want to join ever ? nobody..the EU is dead like america as we all see....the eats is the way to go...west is collapsing big time,,,look at all the investments from china alone in serbia and thousands and thousands of jobs.serbs should be concentrating on having bigger families,,,more kids make a young future for serbia and serbs in the region and world wide,..its simple logic...not hard to understand...
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece [link]
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
(adrian_bucharest, 26 February 2018 09:57)
When you have virtually no unemployment - like in Czech Republic or Hungary - then minimum wage is only theoretical. You won't find any worker for the 'minimum wage'. It's impossible. Forget it! So currently 'minimum wage' is meaningless in these countries. Maybe in Romania it means a lot.
Serbia might become ready by 2025, but due to vetoes within the EU over not recognizing Kosovo it will not advance. There is no way around recognition. Serbia wants to join EU including Kosovo territory and population. That obviously wouldn’t work since most of EU doesn’t recognize Serbia the way that Serbia recognizes itself through its deluded constitution.
EU is jocking with us and we still believe their fairy tales. They don't like third world Western Balkan countries for many reasons. Partly countries like Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Macedonia have large Muslim population which means 0 chances to join in their club and the same way goes for Serbia as Russia's closest ally. It's time to let the Russians, Chinese and Turks to invest in the Balkans and confront EU. I see possible war in horizon and no hope.
Dear Sj i only showed some official statistics of Eurostat
in march it come salary statistic for january and we will have with only 10% less average salary than Czech Republic who have gross 1100 euro
Romania it was always much better than in official statistics in terms of minimum salary , average salary , average pension . Romania is poor but is better than in statistics in special the ones until 2018
In Romania for minimum salary we even don`t know the difference betwen gross and net because nobody pay under gross
People from Serbia can`t compare because Serbia not have gdp per capita + no gdp grow and they think that everything is as in Serbia
I don`t know why but Serbia is in a horrible situacion where people are used as slaves worse than in Romania even Bulgaria is more progressive than Serbia
I might be crazy with me things , but Serbia is a country beated by God , if you live in Serbia you have no hope for a better . In Serbia if there is an indexaction of 10% even for salaries of doctors people think is to much and they are amazed and impressed and go and kiss Vucic on forehead
Romania is better than Serbia because Serbian elite destroyed its own country ,
I still think Serbia will get better because it have potential
Yet another EU spokeshole does a tour of the provinces telling the local tribal head what they want to hear. The dates are simply an illusion as we know Brussels can shift its rock solid condition for joining the EU at any time and in any way.
As for Romania, it is still corrupt as $%"k, but on the plus side much better than Bulgaria. If they had to follow the same 'rules' as current prospective members are expected to, they wouldn't be joining by 2025 either.
Trans-Europe Express – One year on, more of the same in Romania
By Bogdan Neagu | EURACTIV.ro
Feb 23, 2018
"Pristina is forgetting that the Brussels agreement was signed by then Prime Minister of Kosovo Hashim Thaci, then High Representative of the European Union Catherine Ashton, and myself. It clearly defines what needs to be done and what the powers are"
Opps looks like Ivica is putting the pressure on the EU LOL. I said the Serbs are brilliant despite having such huge odds against us. We have out manoeuvred them again.
The Brussels Agreement was signed by all and if the Albos want to change it now and Brussels quietly supports such action, then Belgrade can tear it up and all the mud sticks on the EU and Pristina.
For those that don't understand what the final and legally binding document will look like, its called the Brussels Agreement with cover pages, as a preamble, and pages at the end to deal with explanatory notes.
That’s why the Albanians want to change things now. They finally realise they have been taken to the cleaners.
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece [link]
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
(adrian_bucharest, 26 February 2018 09:57)
Look stop talking BS. Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary are ten times better than Romania - I have been to all of these countries. Try going to some of these places instead of reading crap written on websites.
All these dates have nothing to do with what the EU wants. If it could afford to accept all these countries into the EU it would do so tomorrow.
The real problem is due to Brexit. There are very few paying into the EU fund and many with their hands out. Brussels talks about paying 1% extra into the fund, but that is not going to fix things. The Dutch have already said they will not pay the extra.
I only use Croatia as an example not to criticize. It pays 1 billion euros into the fund and takes out 3 billion. That is the problem.
Dates like 2025 are BS. It’s the EU hoping that by that date the economy will improve in Europe and change for the better. For those that live in fantasy land. Italy, France, Belgium and others have huge economic problems since youth unemployment is 1 in 3 young people.
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Minimum_wage_statistics
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
Well,there's finally some good news! That means a welcome reprieve of at least 27 years before they "let" Serbia in. By then Serbia will,at present growth rates,be wealthier than most of those countries already members and probably won't be the slightest bit interested in joining.
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece [link]
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
(adrian_bucharest, 26 February 2018 09:57)
Look stop talking BS. Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary are ten times better than Romania - I have been to all of these countries. Try going to some of these places instead of reading crap written on websites.
EU is jocking with us and we still believe their fairy tales. They don't like third world Western Balkan countries for many reasons. Partly countries like Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Macedonia have large Muslim population which means 0 chances to join in their club and the same way goes for Serbia as Russia's closest ally. It's time to let the Russians, Chinese and Turks to invest in the Balkans and confront EU. I see possible war in horizon and no hope.
Screw EU!!!
(BLACK EAGLE, 26 February 2018 12:45)
@ black pigeon - lol, you're finally getting it! Srbija is not your problem, EU is...and the US to shortly sell you out also...
First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas? Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian? The two don’t mix. So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU.
(Decisions, 26 February 2018 19:30)
@ decisions - Lol,albanians now using all kinds of handle names to make it sound good...lol!
Well, BG policy is the the BEST way forward for a Christian country, or for any country for that fact....FRIENDS with ALL, Enemies with NONE! How more fairer can you get then that? Bravo Vucice!
Albs - you put your faith in USA, guns & bombs, Srbija puts its faith in GOD, not Moscow or Washington!
EU is jocking with us and we still believe their fairy tales. They don't like third world Western Balkan countries for many reasons. Partly countries like Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Macedonia have large Muslim population which means 0 chances to join in their club and the same way goes for Serbia as Russia's closest ally. It's time to let the Russians, Chinese and Turks to invest in the Balkans and confront EU. I see possible war in horizon and no hope.
All these dates have nothing to do with what the EU wants. If it could afford to accept all these countries into the EU it would do so tomorrow.
The real problem is due to Brexit. There are very few paying into the EU fund and many with their hands out. Brussels talks about paying 1% extra into the fund, but that is not going to fix things. The Dutch have already said they will not pay the extra.
I only use Croatia as an example not to criticize. It pays 1 billion euros into the fund and takes out 3 billion. That is the problem.
Dates like 2025 are BS. It’s the EU hoping that by that date the economy will improve in Europe and change for the better. For those that live in fantasy land. Italy, France, Belgium and others have huge economic problems since youth unemployment is 1 in 3 young people.
who says the serbian people want to join ever ? nobody..the EU is dead like america as we all see....the eats is the way to go...west is collapsing big time,,,look at all the investments from china alone in serbia and thousands and thousands of jobs.serbs should be concentrating on having bigger families,,,more kids make a young future for serbia and serbs in the region and world wide,..its simple logic...not hard to understand...
Romania it's the only country that bans the prostitution totally (reasons of morality), BUT it's on first place in "exports" of prostitutes, more than Russia and Ukraine.
Net salary/ wage it’s about 250 euro (per month)
A lot of people earn minimum wage, which is less than EUR 200 per MONTH. And the prices are at least similar with West EU countries.
As a Danish proverb states: “The old lie has more friends than the new truth.”
Why is Serbia such a rich country compared with Romania ?
- The careful management of the economy
- devolved democracy makes people responsible for their fate and not state dependent
- Make people responsible for themselves and not reliant on the government
- Instead money is spent on infrastructure, medical facilities, education, etc., which benefit everybody, not the aristocracy/ oligarchy, etc.
I beg to differ as always. The argoment that Europe doesnt want us because of our muslim asses is precisely Rama's theory and source of the "global leader" greatest paranoia. Thats why he got his son blessed from the pope despite sons mother muslim huge ass. Invited the pope and made saints a bunch of fashist priests, organized concert in vatican for the vllah mother Tereza, etc etc. Weak argoment since Germany France and UK are on their way to become muslim countries very soon and it will take less than a decade.You have covered muslims and mosques in cities and villages everywhere in europe. Why would they cry about some harmless azirs in tirana sarajeva or shkupi?
"Pristina is forgetting that the Brussels agreement was signed by then Prime Minister of Kosovo Hashim Thaci, then High Representative of the European Union Catherine Ashton, and myself. It clearly defines what needs to be done and what the powers are"
Opps looks like Ivica is putting the pressure on the EU LOL. I said the Serbs are brilliant despite having such huge odds against us. We have out manoeuvred them again.
The Brussels Agreement was signed by all and if the Albos want to change it now and Brussels quietly supports such action, then Belgrade can tear it up and all the mud sticks on the EU and Pristina.
For those that don't understand what the final and legally binding document will look like, its called the Brussels Agreement with cover pages, as a preamble, and pages at the end to deal with explanatory notes.
That’s why the Albanians want to change things now. They finally realise they have been taken to the cleaners.
All West Balkan countries should forget EU is not going to happen not now neither tomorrow not in 100 years or 1000 years. The European dream is already gone and the one who still believes in fairy tales must be a pretty dumb. All countries in the region should change their policy towards EU and stick to their old potential alleys and look for their interests.
Yet another EU spokeshole does a tour of the provinces telling the local tribal head what they want to hear. The dates are simply an illusion as we know Brussels can shift its rock solid condition for joining the EU at any time and in any way.
As for Romania, it is still corrupt as $%"k, but on the plus side much better than Bulgaria. If they had to follow the same 'rules' as current prospective members are expected to, they wouldn't be joining by 2025 either.
Trans-Europe Express – One year on, more of the same in Romania
By Bogdan Neagu | EURACTIV.ro
Feb 23, 2018
Serbia might become ready by 2025, but due to vetoes within the EU over not recognizing Kosovo it will not advance. There is no way around recognition. Serbia wants to join EU including Kosovo territory and population. That obviously wouldn’t work since most of EU doesn’t recognize Serbia the way that Serbia recognizes itself through its deluded constitution.
I still pray that we don't do what Ukraine has done.
We should continue the way we always have and prove to be rich once again.
Continue the strong relationship with Russia. The EU is not advancing any other Balkan nations. We're only going to lose freedoms.
It's a club I don't want to be a member of, especially when they said 10 years ago we would join soon. I'm all for the reforms in the political and judicial sphere as that's positive, but I'm not all for the other prerequesites.
"First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas?"
- Because we may not love EU but we certainly love the EU's accession funds. Why do you think Bulgarians and Romanians joined EU? Because they loved being molested by the alien empire 2,000 miles away?
"Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian?"
- For exactly the same reason Germans and Dutch are pro-Russian when it comes to buying the Russian natural gas. It is called "national interest".
"The two don’t mix."
Says who? Vladimir Putin has more admirers in Western Europe than Merkel, May, Macron, Pope, Erdogan and Osama Bin Ladin COMBINED. The French and British communists were the biggest Stalinists in the universe. The Russian democracy is no different than Swedish or Belgian - it's just that it is much more effective and much less sclerotic. Russia has been an integral part of the West since at least the early 1600s. Just ask Hitler.
"So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU."
- Nope. We ain't gonna. We will continue doing our thing to confuse our E(U)nemies. There is nothing wrong with pursuing mutually contradictory foreign policy goals if your survival depends on being schizo and if you are forced at gunpoint to do a double-play. Not our first choice, mind you, but we can play this game with the best of them.
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece [link]
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
(adrian_bucharest, 26 February 2018 09:57)
When you have virtually no unemployment - like in Czech Republic or Hungary - then minimum wage is only theoretical. You won't find any worker for the 'minimum wage'. It's impossible. Forget it! So currently 'minimum wage' is meaningless in these countries. Maybe in Romania it means a lot.
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Minimum_wage_statistics
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
1. Sign the Biding Agreement with Kosovo and enter EU.
2. Not sign the Biding Agreement with Kosovo and wait till Kosovo enters EU.
This will take a little longer of course, 20-25 years but it's inevitable.
That’s what I’m saying, it’s a transitional strategy (...)
(Decisions, 27 February 2018 15:55)
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You don't understand, do you? This is not now, nor has it ever been a "transitional" Serbian strategy. This is an alpha and omega of our national survival, a durable, permanent historical fixture we have been stuck with ever since we moved to the Balkans circa 600 AD. The bipolar Serbian foreign policy is NOT a choice, certainly not a POPULAR choice. It is a sheer necessity of national survival, a dire predicament placed on us by (a) our beloved Anglosaxon "allies" (b) our eternal Holy Roman Empire adversaries (c) The Russians (d) The OTTOMANS (not the Turks) and (e) Wall Street. Virtually every one of our 30 or so rulers since the early Middle Ages had to contend with competing spheres of influence over Serbia. Every time our foreign policy tilts into imbalance (real or imagined) between these five behemoths, threats are being waged against Serbs. Our people know this. They are aware of the fact that we have no other choice. See, Serbs are not as dumb as our European friends would have you believe.
As for EU accepting Albania and Kosovo before it accepts Serbia, I would find this entertaining to watch. The very next morning, 100% of the Serbian population would vote in droves to join China, and EU would end up with an open and unguarded 1200-mile border with the PRC. Wanna see this happen, Europe? Sure. Go ahead, punks. Make our day. And year. And millennium.
Those that choose to cut off their nose to spite their face always end up regretting it and are then relegated to the rubbish heap of losers.
(Mildred Green, 27 February 2018 11:10)
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If you call the European Union in its current embodiment and incarnation "a heap of winners", what with its constant, never-ending bickering, backstabbing, real-politik, cynicism, hypocrisy, corruption, nepotism, islamic fundamentalism, right-wing extremism, cold war paranoia, political correctness and opacity, spinelessness, sycophancy, cluelessness, structural bias against South and East Europe and abject lack of any discernible cultural or historical identity, tradition, mission and vision, then yes...perhaps remaining on the "heap of losers" might not be the worst thing that could happen to the Serbian people. Mind you, we have been called worse in 1914 and 1941 and yet, we are still here, and have every intention of staying indefinitely.
Serbian foreign policy is not a matter of "spiting" anyone. As I explained before, this was something imposed on us against our will and preference. But then, I would not expect our EU "friends" to understand something so simple, so easily. It requires a certain amount of intellectual and cerebral weight-lifting, doesn't it?
Dear Sj i only showed some official statistics of Eurostat
in march it come salary statistic for january and we will have with only 10% less average salary than Czech Republic who have gross 1100 euro
Romania it was always much better than in official statistics in terms of minimum salary , average salary , average pension . Romania is poor but is better than in statistics in special the ones until 2018
In Romania for minimum salary we even don`t know the difference betwen gross and net because nobody pay under gross
People from Serbia can`t compare because Serbia not have gdp per capita + no gdp grow and they think that everything is as in Serbia
I don`t know why but Serbia is in a horrible situacion where people are used as slaves worse than in Romania even Bulgaria is more progressive than Serbia
I might be crazy with me things , but Serbia is a country beated by God , if you live in Serbia you have no hope for a better . In Serbia if there is an indexaction of 10% even for salaries of doctors people think is to much and they are amazed and impressed and go and kiss Vucic on forehead
Romania is better than Serbia because Serbian elite destroyed its own country ,
I still think Serbia will get better because it have potential
Now that Yugoslavia fell apart, Serbia is small and landlocked. Serbia's value to Russia, aside from claiming at least some friends, is relatively low. One thing is that Serbia is planning to become a EU member, and when that happens, it would have the ability to block some EU decisions, although this is not as easy as it may seem (such obstructionism comes at a cost). Serbia also has a number of fiercely pro-Russian Serbian nationalists, some of whom went as far as to fight in Syria with Russian troops. EU is not stupid to let Serbia to joy in the union without making some agreements.
1) Serbia immediately should stop relationship with Russia.
2)Serbia must recognize Kosovo as independent state.
If Serbia agrees they absolutely become part of EU.
First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas? Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian? The two don’t mix. So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU.
Nope. We ain't gonna. We will continue doing our thing to confuse our E(U)nemies. There is nothing wrong with pursuing mutually contradictory foreign policy goals if your survival depends on being schizo and if you are forced at gunpoint to do a double-play. Not our first choice, mind you, but we can play this game with the best of them.
(DEDA CVETKO, 27 February 2018 08:11)
We shall see, hee, hee, hee!
Those that choose to cut off their nose to spite their face always end up regretting it and are then relegated to the rubbish heap of losers.
If you are an enemy of Albanians, you kind of are angering their EU allies though, and they can stall or block your EU path. So playing “Switzerland” with EU doesn’t work because within EU there are Albanian allies that can and will use a veto if needed. Neutrality is a transitional strategy, but when decision time comes, its either recognition or no EU.
That’s what I’m saying, it’s a transitional strategy, but when time comes you’ll have to explain to your own voters why you pursued EU so adamantly, and all of a sudden there’s no actual accession happening. At that point other countries in the region will have started to join, and Serbian political actors that want EU accession, even at the cost of losing Kosovo, will start winning elections as well. The West will make sure to fund their campaigns much more than Russia can fund the anti-EU parties.
A bipolar foreign policy will not work this time, mainly because the region is firmly fixed towards a EU path, and if voters believe that their country is being left out due to their politicians acting bipolar, they will just vote for politicians that have a pro-Western strategy. And yes, you could totally have a situation where even Kosovo and Albania catch up and join EU while Serbia is left behind. At that point it’s much more likely that Serbian voters will vote for pro-EU parties than join China, Russia, or some other fantasy like that.
Dear Sj i only showed some official statistics of Eurostat
in march it come salary statistic for january and we will have with only 10% less average salary than Czech Republic who have gross 1100 euro
Romania it was always much better than in official statistics in terms of minimum salary , average salary , average pension . Romania is poor but is better than in statistics in special the ones until 2018
In Romania for minimum salary we even don`t know the difference betwen gross and net because nobody pay under gross
People from Serbia can`t compare because Serbia not have gdp per capita + no gdp grow and they think that everything is as in Serbia
I don`t know why but Serbia is in a horrible situacion where people are used as slaves worse than in Romania even Bulgaria is more progressive than Serbia
I might be crazy with me things , but Serbia is a country beated by God , if you live in Serbia you have no hope for a better . In Serbia if there is an indexaction of 10% even for salaries of doctors people think is to much and they are amazed and impressed and go and kiss Vucic on forehead
Romania is better than Serbia because Serbian elite destroyed its own country ,
I still think Serbia will get better because it have potential
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Minimum_wage_statistics
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
Now that Yugoslavia fell apart, Serbia is small and landlocked. Serbia's value to Russia, aside from claiming at least some friends, is relatively low. One thing is that Serbia is planning to become a EU member, and when that happens, it would have the ability to block some EU decisions, although this is not as easy as it may seem (such obstructionism comes at a cost). Serbia also has a number of fiercely pro-Russian Serbian nationalists, some of whom went as far as to fight in Syria with Russian troops. EU is not stupid to let Serbia to joy in the union without making some agreements.
1) Serbia immediately should stop relationship with Russia.
2)Serbia must recognize Kosovo as independent state.
If Serbia agrees they absolutely become part of EU.
"Pristina is forgetting that the Brussels agreement was signed by then Prime Minister of Kosovo Hashim Thaci, then High Representative of the European Union Catherine Ashton, and myself. It clearly defines what needs to be done and what the powers are"
Opps looks like Ivica is putting the pressure on the EU LOL. I said the Serbs are brilliant despite having such huge odds against us. We have out manoeuvred them again.
The Brussels Agreement was signed by all and if the Albos want to change it now and Brussels quietly supports such action, then Belgrade can tear it up and all the mud sticks on the EU and Pristina.
For those that don't understand what the final and legally binding document will look like, its called the Brussels Agreement with cover pages, as a preamble, and pages at the end to deal with explanatory notes.
That’s why the Albanians want to change things now. They finally realise they have been taken to the cleaners.
EU is jocking with us and we still believe their fairy tales. They don't like third world Western Balkan countries for many reasons. Partly countries like Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Macedonia have large Muslim population which means 0 chances to join in their club and the same way goes for Serbia as Russia's closest ally. It's time to let the Russians, Chinese and Turks to invest in the Balkans and confront EU. I see possible war in horizon and no hope.
All these dates have nothing to do with what the EU wants. If it could afford to accept all these countries into the EU it would do so tomorrow.
The real problem is due to Brexit. There are very few paying into the EU fund and many with their hands out. Brussels talks about paying 1% extra into the fund, but that is not going to fix things. The Dutch have already said they will not pay the extra.
I only use Croatia as an example not to criticize. It pays 1 billion euros into the fund and takes out 3 billion. That is the problem.
Dates like 2025 are BS. It’s the EU hoping that by that date the economy will improve in Europe and change for the better. For those that live in fantasy land. Italy, France, Belgium and others have huge economic problems since youth unemployment is 1 in 3 young people.
Serbia might become ready by 2025, but due to vetoes within the EU over not recognizing Kosovo it will not advance. There is no way around recognition. Serbia wants to join EU including Kosovo territory and population. That obviously wouldn’t work since most of EU doesn’t recognize Serbia the way that Serbia recognizes itself through its deluded constitution.
If you are an enemy of Albanians, you kind of are angering their EU allies though, and they can stall or block your EU path. So playing “Switzerland” with EU doesn’t work because within EU there are Albanian allies that can and will use a veto if needed. Neutrality is a transitional strategy, but when decision time comes, its either recognition or no EU.
1. Sign the Biding Agreement with Kosovo and enter EU.
2. Not sign the Biding Agreement with Kosovo and wait till Kosovo enters EU.
This will take a little longer of course, 20-25 years but it's inevitable.
EU is jocking with us and we still believe their fairy tales. They don't like third world Western Balkan countries for many reasons. Partly countries like Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia and Macedonia have large Muslim population which means 0 chances to join in their club and the same way goes for Serbia as Russia's closest ally. It's time to let the Russians, Chinese and Turks to invest in the Balkans and confront EU. I see possible war in horizon and no hope.
Screw EU!!!
(BLACK EAGLE, 26 February 2018 12:45)
@ black pigeon - lol, you're finally getting it! Srbija is not your problem, EU is...and the US to shortly sell you out also...
Nope. We ain't gonna. We will continue doing our thing to confuse our E(U)nemies. There is nothing wrong with pursuing mutually contradictory foreign policy goals if your survival depends on being schizo and if you are forced at gunpoint to do a double-play. Not our first choice, mind you, but we can play this game with the best of them.
(DEDA CVETKO, 27 February 2018 08:11)
We shall see, hee, hee, hee!
Those that choose to cut off their nose to spite their face always end up regretting it and are then relegated to the rubbish heap of losers.
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece [link]
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
(adrian_bucharest, 26 February 2018 09:57)
Look stop talking BS. Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary are ten times better than Romania - I have been to all of these countries. Try going to some of these places instead of reading crap written on websites.
Yet another EU spokeshole does a tour of the provinces telling the local tribal head what they want to hear. The dates are simply an illusion as we know Brussels can shift its rock solid condition for joining the EU at any time and in any way.
As for Romania, it is still corrupt as $%"k, but on the plus side much better than Bulgaria. If they had to follow the same 'rules' as current prospective members are expected to, they wouldn't be joining by 2025 either.
Trans-Europe Express – One year on, more of the same in Romania
By Bogdan Neagu | EURACTIV.ro
Feb 23, 2018
I still pray that we don't do what Ukraine has done.
We should continue the way we always have and prove to be rich once again.
Continue the strong relationship with Russia. The EU is not advancing any other Balkan nations. We're only going to lose freedoms.
It's a club I don't want to be a member of, especially when they said 10 years ago we would join soon. I'm all for the reforms in the political and judicial sphere as that's positive, but I'm not all for the other prerequesites.
First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas? Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian? The two don’t mix. So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU.
A bipolar foreign policy will not work this time, mainly because the region is firmly fixed towards a EU path, and if voters believe that their country is being left out due to their politicians acting bipolar, they will just vote for politicians that have a pro-Western strategy. And yes, you could totally have a situation where even Kosovo and Albania catch up and join EU while Serbia is left behind. At that point it’s much more likely that Serbian voters will vote for pro-EU parties than join China, Russia, or some other fantasy like that.
who says the serbian people want to join ever ? nobody..the EU is dead like america as we all see....the eats is the way to go...west is collapsing big time,,,look at all the investments from china alone in serbia and thousands and thousands of jobs.serbs should be concentrating on having bigger families,,,more kids make a young future for serbia and serbs in the region and world wide,..its simple logic...not hard to understand...
Romania it's the only country that bans the prostitution totally (reasons of morality), BUT it's on first place in "exports" of prostitutes, more than Russia and Ukraine.
Net salary/ wage it’s about 250 euro (per month)
A lot of people earn minimum wage, which is less than EUR 200 per MONTH. And the prices are at least similar with West EU countries.
As a Danish proverb states: “The old lie has more friends than the new truth.”
Why is Serbia such a rich country compared with Romania ?
- The careful management of the economy
- devolved democracy makes people responsible for their fate and not state dependent
- Make people responsible for themselves and not reliant on the government
- Instead money is spent on infrastructure, medical facilities, education, etc., which benefit everybody, not the aristocracy/ oligarchy, etc.
I beg to differ as always. The argoment that Europe doesnt want us because of our muslim asses is precisely Rama's theory and source of the "global leader" greatest paranoia. Thats why he got his son blessed from the pope despite sons mother muslim huge ass. Invited the pope and made saints a bunch of fashist priests, organized concert in vatican for the vllah mother Tereza, etc etc. Weak argoment since Germany France and UK are on their way to become muslim countries very soon and it will take less than a decade.You have covered muslims and mosques in cities and villages everywhere in europe. Why would they cry about some harmless azirs in tirana sarajeva or shkupi?
First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas? Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian? The two don’t mix. So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU.
(Decisions, 26 February 2018 19:30)
@ decisions - Lol,albanians now using all kinds of handle names to make it sound good...lol!
Well, BG policy is the the BEST way forward for a Christian country, or for any country for that fact....FRIENDS with ALL, Enemies with NONE! How more fairer can you get then that? Bravo Vucice!
Albs - you put your faith in USA, guns & bombs, Srbija puts its faith in GOD, not Moscow or Washington!
That’s what I’m saying, it’s a transitional strategy, but when time comes you’ll have to explain to your own voters why you pursued EU so adamantly, and all of a sudden there’s no actual accession happening. At that point other countries in the region will have started to join, and Serbian political actors that want EU accession, even at the cost of losing Kosovo, will start winning elections as well. The West will make sure to fund their campaigns much more than Russia can fund the anti-EU parties.
That’s what I’m saying, it’s a transitional strategy (...)
(Decisions, 27 February 2018 15:55)
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You don't understand, do you? This is not now, nor has it ever been a "transitional" Serbian strategy. This is an alpha and omega of our national survival, a durable, permanent historical fixture we have been stuck with ever since we moved to the Balkans circa 600 AD. The bipolar Serbian foreign policy is NOT a choice, certainly not a POPULAR choice. It is a sheer necessity of national survival, a dire predicament placed on us by (a) our beloved Anglosaxon "allies" (b) our eternal Holy Roman Empire adversaries (c) The Russians (d) The OTTOMANS (not the Turks) and (e) Wall Street. Virtually every one of our 30 or so rulers since the early Middle Ages had to contend with competing spheres of influence over Serbia. Every time our foreign policy tilts into imbalance (real or imagined) between these five behemoths, threats are being waged against Serbs. Our people know this. They are aware of the fact that we have no other choice. See, Serbs are not as dumb as our European friends would have you believe.
As for EU accepting Albania and Kosovo before it accepts Serbia, I would find this entertaining to watch. The very next morning, 100% of the Serbian population would vote in droves to join China, and EU would end up with an open and unguarded 1200-mile border with the PRC. Wanna see this happen, Europe? Sure. Go ahead, punks. Make our day. And year. And millennium.
Well,there's finally some good news! That means a welcome reprieve of at least 27 years before they "let" Serbia in. By then Serbia will,at present growth rates,be wealthier than most of those countries already members and probably won't be the slightest bit interested in joining.
All West Balkan countries should forget EU is not going to happen not now neither tomorrow not in 100 years or 1000 years. The European dream is already gone and the one who still believes in fairy tales must be a pretty dumb. All countries in the region should change their policy towards EU and stick to their old potential alleys and look for their interests.
Those that choose to cut off their nose to spite their face always end up regretting it and are then relegated to the rubbish heap of losers.
(Mildred Green, 27 February 2018 11:10)
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If you call the European Union in its current embodiment and incarnation "a heap of winners", what with its constant, never-ending bickering, backstabbing, real-politik, cynicism, hypocrisy, corruption, nepotism, islamic fundamentalism, right-wing extremism, cold war paranoia, political correctness and opacity, spinelessness, sycophancy, cluelessness, structural bias against South and East Europe and abject lack of any discernible cultural or historical identity, tradition, mission and vision, then yes...perhaps remaining on the "heap of losers" might not be the worst thing that could happen to the Serbian people. Mind you, we have been called worse in 1914 and 1941 and yet, we are still here, and have every intention of staying indefinitely.
Serbian foreign policy is not a matter of "spiting" anyone. As I explained before, this was something imposed on us against our will and preference. But then, I would not expect our EU "friends" to understand something so simple, so easily. It requires a certain amount of intellectual and cerebral weight-lifting, doesn't it?
Our minimum salary have purchashing power more than the following membbers of Union European Bulgaria ,Latvia ,Lithuania ,Czech Republic , Estonia ,Croatia , Slovakia ,Hungary ,Portugla . and is equal with Greece [link]
In this rythm in 2019 we overtake Greece , Poland is not far away to Romania
(adrian_bucharest, 26 February 2018 09:57)
When you have virtually no unemployment - like in Czech Republic or Hungary - then minimum wage is only theoretical. You won't find any worker for the 'minimum wage'. It's impossible. Forget it! So currently 'minimum wage' is meaningless in these countries. Maybe in Romania it means a lot.
"First of, if you don’t like EU, why vote for political parties that pursue EU accession agendas?"
- Because we may not love EU but we certainly love the EU's accession funds. Why do you think Bulgarians and Romanians joined EU? Because they loved being molested by the alien empire 2,000 miles away?
"Also, if you like EU standards in political/judicial sphere, then how can you be pro-Russian?"
- For exactly the same reason Germans and Dutch are pro-Russian when it comes to buying the Russian natural gas. It is called "national interest".
"The two don’t mix."
Says who? Vladimir Putin has more admirers in Western Europe than Merkel, May, Macron, Pope, Erdogan and Osama Bin Ladin COMBINED. The French and British communists were the biggest Stalinists in the universe. The Russian democracy is no different than Swedish or Belgian - it's just that it is much more effective and much less sclerotic. Russia has been an integral part of the West since at least the early 1600s. Just ask Hitler.
"So either vote for pro-Russian parties that are against joining EU, or ditch Russia and join the EU."
- Nope. We ain't gonna. We will continue doing our thing to confuse our E(U)nemies. There is nothing wrong with pursuing mutually contradictory foreign policy goals if your survival depends on being schizo and if you are forced at gunpoint to do a double-play. Not our first choice, mind you, but we can play this game with the best of them.
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