Spain produces non-paper aimed at blocking Kosovo's EU bid
Spain has submitted a letter in the form of a non-paper ahead of the adoption of <a href="https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=01&dd=26&nav_id=103354" class="text-link" target= "_blank">EU's enlargement strategy for the Western Balkans.</a>
everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart
(Watcher, 31 January 2018 00:35)
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:22)
could you provide some supporting evidence instead of just accusing someone of fantastic thinking.
(iron knee, 31 January 2018 22:44)
Well, according to the most patriotic of Serbs, Russia and China were not OK with Srbija being ripped apart. Do you need more examples?
I think nobody here gets what I am saying - Kosovo will not be given a green light to EU membership
hell no
but Spain will be given assurances about its own regions
Azir is a disgruntled Serbian who cries for his dead mortal god Tito, real name is Danilo !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 25 January 2018 17:10)
Sorry, did not pay attention, was under impression, it's discovery of Roger7.
I silently disagree with many thing you write - but this one did hit the nail.
There is nothing more destructive here than this person.
See Lenard for instance. I completely disagree with the form he writes (same as Roberto) - but what both do write has much truth inside. Just the form is way to harsh and often unjust.
At least Lenard can take some hits without being offended.
Roberto cannot, he is American and Americans aren't used to political debates.
They can't even think about a situation when the husband is "blue" and the wife is "red".
In my case I do not have much sympathy towards Hungarians and my wife hates Russians. We have many kids "somehow" and still together.
About these trolls: if they would be Albanians (Americans, Croatians, what-not) it would be fine. A good example is "Skenderbeu" from Albania who is straight and 100% non-troll. A nice guy from that part of the world, that is.
How about that imbecile who is here not to explain his political views but to endlessly offend? And as it turns out... he is - indeed - not even Albanian, he is most likely the Serb Danilo.
He did not even know, Emona Market does not sell any alcoholic product. What kind of K-Albanian is he than?
Azir is a disgruntled Serbian who cries for his dead mortal god Tito, real name is Danilo !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 25 January 2018 17:10)
I, too, believe that this one individual is trolling and writing most of the negative comments here. He has been doing this for a number of years. I doubt he is a Tito fan, just a Troll.
He assumes multiple identities including but not limited to Azir, icj1, Avni, Joni, Victory1999, Mildred Green, www, Peter the Rocky Mountains, Count of Kosova, Danilo, and on and on. He often comments several times on a single thread using multiple monikers just to control the dialogue.
He has probably installed programs to mask his IP addresses, including country location. I believe that he does the same immature trolling on the Serbian forum of B92. His insatiable need for attention is rather pathetic and appears to be escalating.
His years of trolling have greatly diminished the credibility and value of any meaningful dialogue on B92.
@ watcher: pandora’s box or no Pandoras box when people strive for freedom there’s no telling what they can do. The Catalonians will as a whole for freedom I guess is not as strong as the will Albanians of Kosova. Hence my comment of power to the people
As far as Catalonia is concerned even the hypocrites in Brussels have warned the Catalonians they would be making a huge mistake if they left Spain and they would not be recognized by the EU aka they would be out on a limb.
(sj, 31 January 2018 08:32)
Talk about hypocritical, why didn't Brussels warn the the Albanians in KiM of the same mistake? I think you know why!
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:22)
Spain is just scared because it doesn’t want to lose its most richest and prosperous area,that is Catalonia. And if it loses Catalonia there are five other countries ready to come out of Spain. Don’t get all giddy Serbs this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with Spain. Freedom to the Catalonians freedom to the Albanians of Kosova. Power to the people
(C, 31 January 2018 00:33)
@ c - No s**t, Sherlock...THATS what we meant by "opening Pandora's box"! THATS why projects like this abortion called "kosova" cannot be accepted by a lot of countries that are in Srbija's situation...You're starting to smell the coffee!
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
(Ari Gold, 30 January 2018 17:21)
What have the Israelis ever done for the Serbs? If I recall, they were on the Albanian side back in 1999. Judging form your past comments and including this one, you appear to have an endearment for the Israelis, hence your pseudo name, Ari Gold. Is your wife/girlfriend Jewish? Are you a convert? Keep your love for Israel but don't ever say that they are helping the Serbs.
Stan, Serbia should man up and admit the crimes. After that are you in a position to speak about good faith mate.
(Illyria, 30 January 2018 17:46)
@ Illyria - If BG did that, would you promise to give back our land you stole?
(Watcher, 30 January 2018 20:46)
Illyria: We have, and all the people that were guilty of any wrongdoing were tried and sentenced. Hence, the reason the Hague Tribunal is done, over, findo.... so, maybe you can list same names for us of people who still need to be prosecuted.
U.S(Camp Bondsteel)the largest U.S military base in Europe will soon leave under agreement with Serbia
(Smart Serb, 31 January 2018 06:35)
Bondsteel is a KFOR base, dear, not a US base. As for the UNSC agreeing with Serbia to repeal UNSCR 1244 and order KFOR to withdraw from Kosovo, good luck with that! Feel free to let us know when that happens lol
everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart
(Watcher, 31 January 2018 00:35)
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
Spain has decided to unify Kosovo and Albania, I guess. By the way you think USA and others will allow this? Spain is a small fish when it comes to make decision in the name of EU, plus is has its own problems when it comes to Catalonia. They tried to stop Catalonia and now the same people have won again there. I guess pulling Catalons by their hair at the polling stations didn't work out.
(Avni, 30 January 2018 20:18)
Love to see Kosovo trying to unify with Albania. There is more of a chance of Iceland unifying with Albania than that happening. You people are so full of yourselves its not funny.
Its not just Spain but other EU countries are not for Kosovo joining the EU. As far as Catalonia is concerned even the hypocrites in Brussels have warned the Catalonians they would be making a huge mistake if they left Spain and they would not be recognized by the EU aka they would be out on a limb.
"Spain uses common sense"
You will find that Cyprus,Greece,Romania and even Slovakia will veto any chance of this fake state entering any E.U organisations under the illegal way it has declared itself.
U.S(Camp Bondsteel)the largest U.S military base in Europe will soon leave under agreement with Serbia.
They hate Albanian's but love Global Strategic positions by way of invasion. More bases more world dominance.
Say NO to KOSOVO*👍
The pressure is ultimately on Serbia's politicians. Will they have the balls to see through and make happen the inevitable.
(T, 30 January 2018 11:38)
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The only thing that is inevitable is the collapse of EU so why should Serbia pay such a hefty price for a temporary membership in a club which by all accounts has shown how little they think of them?
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018
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As far as I'm concerned none. Can't speak for the idiots out there who think they are insulting someone by calling them a gypsy. They are only showing their own worth and disgracing themselves.
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
(Ari Gold, 30 January 2018 17:21)
@ Ari Gold - Typically. I agree with your comment...however, this "unilateral Independence" crap is not only a Serbian problem, but a Global problem. Unfortunatly, everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart, but when it came into their house, they all suddenly "support" Srbija...
Spain is just scared because it doesn’t want to lose its most richest and prosperous area,that is Catalonia. And if it loses Catalonia there are five other countries ready to come out of Spain. Don’t get all giddy Serbs this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with Spain. Freedom to the Catalonians freedom to the Albanians of Kosova. Power to the people
We have more than we need. More than 2 x lesser population than the Netherlands and 2 x larger territory.
(Ivana, 30 January 2018 16:48)
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Maybe to you it's just a piece of land but to most Serbs it's a lot more than that.
Would you expect Israel to give up Jerusalem?
Besides, if Serbia agrees to let Kosovo go, where does it all end? Will Bosnia allow RS to secede and say it's just a piece of land? This is a beginning of a mess which would only add to FYROM having to hand over their territory and also Montenegro.
Do you think Albanians will stop there? There is always Presevo to grab seeing how easy it is to convince people that once you become a majority in any region it's all yours.
Bottom line, you can't reward bad behaviour. It'll only keep getting worse.
Again Adrian I totally agree, it's like some curse upon the whole Balkans, sirotinja against sirotinja ! The situation in the Balkans pretty much a curse upon the whole of Europe, after a whole life time of trying to figure it out I am left with out any words to actually describe WHY ! Every time I went over to your country Romania was nice, beautiful land ! I like the rural life, Romania is so nice especially the rural areas ! Hope some day your people like mine find a solution to the Balkan economy, actually I pray for ALL the innocence of the Balkans !!!
Spain has decided to unify Kosovo and Albania, I guess. By the way you think USA and others will allow this? Spain is a small fish when it comes to make decision in the name of EU, plus is has its own problems when it comes to Catalonia. They tried to stop Catalonia and now the same people have won again there. I guess pulling Catalons by their hair at the polling stations didn't work out.
Dont worry Spain will be pushed in line
(Sam, 30 January 2018 14:07)
I wish you had been here in Brussel to hear for yourself what EU thinks about Albanians.
Troublemakers and criminals are the nice words one hear.
Last week in NYC, Thaci made a fool out of himself. He was running around trying to get delegations to speak with him, but no one had neither time nor anything to speak to him about. The Kosovo independent saga is all over.
Serbia is working in silence and time is on their side. Stay tuned.
Dragoljiub you know you are right about one thing here in BALKAN doesn`t matter what nationality we were , we hate each other , we think we are the best , you see we kill each other and West prosper using our work force and our natural resources
You see Dragoljiub what is happening is a fact that in balkan people spread hate ! and turn against each other
but in the case of Serbia the Croats opened the Pandora Box
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
Why are you guys arguing about this and trying to predict future in the comments? Just wait and see. I'm okay with whatever they decide at the end. It's not that the EU ever improved life quality in any East European country. I was in Bulgaria a few years ago and I can tell you that they're poorer than Serbia. I love Bulgarians, such a lovely people, but the EU didn't do anything for them. And besides that, Serbia would be better off without Kosovo. Kosovo is not just a territory, it's 900,000 Albanians too. I can't imagine them living in Serbia and being a political force, like in FYRM. That would be good for them but very bad for Serbia. No thanks. We have more than we need. More than 2 x lesser population than the Netherlands and 2 x larger territory.
Region => Covasna , Harghita they create most big troubles
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 15:49)
Adrian now your talking sense, I gave you a positive on the comment !
Adrian please in the future don't torture us here on B92 with economics and money issues, we don't hate you Balkan Brother we only hate when you bring up the economy to remind us all how grim and sad the money situation is for ALL of the Balkan poor !!!
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018
So what, You are a Rom ??
My neighbour is a Rom ,and many Rom live peacefully in Serbia. Many mix marriages of Rom and Serbs in Serbia. I have no problems with Rom people .We have many very beautiful, gorgeous or handsome looking Rom people in Serbia, especially Singers and actors .
I have a problem ,that you do not understand, that it is NOT how much money you make ,it is the cost of living that counts.
What is the point of making double salary like Romania compared to Serbia, But paying triple the cost of living (food,property and etc).
Many Romanians are crossing border into Serbia to buy Serb products .
For people from here the Romanian politic for Balkan
1) Romania is pro America we always were pro Usa and puppets of Usa + the people love Usa
2) We don`t accept Kosovo independence not because we would love Serbia but because we have Hungaryans in Transylvania and they want to be independent to , they even created flags , we have problems in Transylvania . Romania will never recognise Kosovo
3) About Vlachs from Serbia nobody care about them
4) As political relation with countries from Balkan we are very good friends with VUCIC and with Bulgarian prime minister with Hungary we have no ties , with Moldova we fight in words with Moldova president
We have a lot of scandals with Hungaryans from Transylvania they beated Romanians , they not sold at supermarket to Romanians , they broke Romanian flags + they want to create a terorism atentat at national day of Romania
That Hungaryan region is so poor it even not managed to get a highway even if they had always alliance with the party from power
Hungaryans had became someting very very very anoying
to not be confused this Hungaryans with Cluj Napoca a developed city from Romania full of Hungaryans and Gipsy someting more bad than Bucharest as how are the people
Region => Covasna , Harghita they create most big troubles
Dont worry Spain will be pushed in line
(Sam, 30 January 2018 14:07)
@ Sam - or more & more will fall in line with Spain! Trend now is against situations like "kosova"! Countries see more and more internal disturbances and are realizing they are at risk too...you'll see, they will support Spains stance! Not USA, of course...their goal is dividing and then selling weapons to the differing parties...gotta keep the economy rolling, ya' know!
Once Kosovo becomes fully recognised as independent, Albanians wont even want join the EU. The average Albanian cares more about unification, than joining a group of people who split their lands in to little pieces. Plus EU border security is so weak that Albanians have been living working and travelling all over the EU with out membership for decades and that won’t stop or change in the near future.
Watcher
the way the EU works is conscious gets agreeded no matter what and spain is all but isolated on this but in saying that not one country in the EU block cares for Kosovo or will block it as Serbia and Kosovo will still be left hanging with the problem they have with each other
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 13:32)
Actually it is not or ever been a problem the Roma people, we sane Serb's actually love Cigane, they are part of us and we are part of them, they have suffered and died side by side in the Balkans for generations ! We sane Serb's do have a problem with Nazi puppets who have done and are doing terrible things to Eastern Orthodox Christianity in all of Europe in the name of Hitler ! You are such a boring person Adrian, I see you only think about money which unfortunately the majority of the poor and innocent Romanian people will never have much of ! Adrian better you think of God more than you think of money !!! !
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 13:32)
Adrian, nobody has a problem with you being Roma/Gypsy!!! The problem is your attempt at posting economic issues in this forum that are, at best, confusing and nonsensical. If you must post, let us know what the political tide is like in Romania with respect to the Balkans - that could possibly be a bit interesting. There you go, you asked!!!
That's right, Kosovo is not a state and should therefore not enjoy consideration for membership of the EU.
However, for Serbia to be become a full fledged memeber it needs to reconsider the current status of Kosovo, i.o.w. let go and acknowledge its independence.
Since that is not likely to happen any time soon both countries will not be considered for inclusion.
The pressure is ultimately on Serbia's politicians. Will they have the balls to see through and make happen the inevitable.
Dont worry Spain will be pushed in line
(Sam, 30 January 2018 14:07)
I wish you had been here in Brussel to hear for yourself what EU thinks about Albanians.
Troublemakers and criminals are the nice words one hear.
Last week in NYC, Thaci made a fool out of himself. He was running around trying to get delegations to speak with him, but no one had neither time nor anything to speak to him about. The Kosovo independent saga is all over.
Serbia is working in silence and time is on their side. Stay tuned.
Dont worry Spain will be pushed in line
(Sam, 30 January 2018 14:07)
@ Sam - or more & more will fall in line with Spain! Trend now is against situations like "kosova"! Countries see more and more internal disturbances and are realizing they are at risk too...you'll see, they will support Spains stance! Not USA, of course...their goal is dividing and then selling weapons to the differing parties...gotta keep the economy rolling, ya' know!
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 13:32)
Actually it is not or ever been a problem the Roma people, we sane Serb's actually love Cigane, they are part of us and we are part of them, they have suffered and died side by side in the Balkans for generations ! We sane Serb's do have a problem with Nazi puppets who have done and are doing terrible things to Eastern Orthodox Christianity in all of Europe in the name of Hitler ! You are such a boring person Adrian, I see you only think about money which unfortunately the majority of the poor and innocent Romanian people will never have much of ! Adrian better you think of God more than you think of money !!! !
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 13:32)
Adrian, nobody has a problem with you being Roma/Gypsy!!! The problem is your attempt at posting economic issues in this forum that are, at best, confusing and nonsensical. If you must post, let us know what the political tide is like in Romania with respect to the Balkans - that could possibly be a bit interesting. There you go, you asked!!!
Spain has decided to unify Kosovo and Albania, I guess. By the way you think USA and others will allow this? Spain is a small fish when it comes to make decision in the name of EU, plus is has its own problems when it comes to Catalonia. They tried to stop Catalonia and now the same people have won again there. I guess pulling Catalons by their hair at the polling stations didn't work out.
(Avni, 30 January 2018 20:18)
Love to see Kosovo trying to unify with Albania. There is more of a chance of Iceland unifying with Albania than that happening. You people are so full of yourselves its not funny.
Its not just Spain but other EU countries are not for Kosovo joining the EU. As far as Catalonia is concerned even the hypocrites in Brussels have warned the Catalonians they would be making a huge mistake if they left Spain and they would not be recognized by the EU aka they would be out on a limb.
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018
So what, You are a Rom ??
My neighbour is a Rom ,and many Rom live peacefully in Serbia. Many mix marriages of Rom and Serbs in Serbia. I have no problems with Rom people .We have many very beautiful, gorgeous or handsome looking Rom people in Serbia, especially Singers and actors .
I have a problem ,that you do not understand, that it is NOT how much money you make ,it is the cost of living that counts.
What is the point of making double salary like Romania compared to Serbia, But paying triple the cost of living (food,property and etc).
Many Romanians are crossing border into Serbia to buy Serb products .
We have more than we need. More than 2 x lesser population than the Netherlands and 2 x larger territory.
(Ivana, 30 January 2018 16:48)
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Maybe to you it's just a piece of land but to most Serbs it's a lot more than that.
Would you expect Israel to give up Jerusalem?
Besides, if Serbia agrees to let Kosovo go, where does it all end? Will Bosnia allow RS to secede and say it's just a piece of land? This is a beginning of a mess which would only add to FYROM having to hand over their territory and also Montenegro.
Do you think Albanians will stop there? There is always Presevo to grab seeing how easy it is to convince people that once you become a majority in any region it's all yours.
Bottom line, you can't reward bad behaviour. It'll only keep getting worse.
The pressure is ultimately on Serbia's politicians. Will they have the balls to see through and make happen the inevitable.
(T, 30 January 2018 11:38)
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The only thing that is inevitable is the collapse of EU so why should Serbia pay such a hefty price for a temporary membership in a club which by all accounts has shown how little they think of them?
"Spain uses common sense"
You will find that Cyprus,Greece,Romania and even Slovakia will veto any chance of this fake state entering any E.U organisations under the illegal way it has declared itself.
U.S(Camp Bondsteel)the largest U.S military base in Europe will soon leave under agreement with Serbia.
They hate Albanian's but love Global Strategic positions by way of invasion. More bases more world dominance.
Say NO to KOSOVO*👍
Region => Covasna , Harghita they create most big troubles
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 15:49)
Adrian now your talking sense, I gave you a positive on the comment !
Adrian please in the future don't torture us here on B92 with economics and money issues, we don't hate you Balkan Brother we only hate when you bring up the economy to remind us all how grim and sad the money situation is for ALL of the Balkan poor !!!
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
(Ari Gold, 30 January 2018 17:21)
@ Ari Gold - Typically. I agree with your comment...however, this "unilateral Independence" crap is not only a Serbian problem, but a Global problem. Unfortunatly, everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart, but when it came into their house, they all suddenly "support" Srbija...
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018
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As far as I'm concerned none. Can't speak for the idiots out there who think they are insulting someone by calling them a gypsy. They are only showing their own worth and disgracing themselves.
Why are you guys arguing about this and trying to predict future in the comments? Just wait and see. I'm okay with whatever they decide at the end. It's not that the EU ever improved life quality in any East European country. I was in Bulgaria a few years ago and I can tell you that they're poorer than Serbia. I love Bulgarians, such a lovely people, but the EU didn't do anything for them. And besides that, Serbia would be better off without Kosovo. Kosovo is not just a territory, it's 900,000 Albanians too. I can't imagine them living in Serbia and being a political force, like in FYRM. That would be good for them but very bad for Serbia. No thanks. We have more than we need. More than 2 x lesser population than the Netherlands and 2 x larger territory.
Stan, Serbia should man up and admit the crimes. After that are you in a position to speak about good faith mate.
(Illyria, 30 January 2018 17:46)
@ Illyria - If BG did that, would you promise to give back our land you stole?
(Watcher, 30 January 2018 20:46)
Illyria: We have, and all the people that were guilty of any wrongdoing were tried and sentenced. Hence, the reason the Hague Tribunal is done, over, findo.... so, maybe you can list same names for us of people who still need to be prosecuted.
Spain is just scared because it doesn’t want to lose its most richest and prosperous area,that is Catalonia. And if it loses Catalonia there are five other countries ready to come out of Spain. Don’t get all giddy Serbs this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with Spain. Freedom to the Catalonians freedom to the Albanians of Kosova. Power to the people
(C, 31 January 2018 00:33)
@ c - No s**t, Sherlock...THATS what we meant by "opening Pandora's box"! THATS why projects like this abortion called "kosova" cannot be accepted by a lot of countries that are in Srbija's situation...You're starting to smell the coffee!
That's right, Kosovo is not a state and should therefore not enjoy consideration for membership of the EU.
However, for Serbia to be become a full fledged memeber it needs to reconsider the current status of Kosovo, i.o.w. let go and acknowledge its independence.
Since that is not likely to happen any time soon both countries will not be considered for inclusion.
The pressure is ultimately on Serbia's politicians. Will they have the balls to see through and make happen the inevitable.
For people from here the Romanian politic for Balkan
1) Romania is pro America we always were pro Usa and puppets of Usa + the people love Usa
2) We don`t accept Kosovo independence not because we would love Serbia but because we have Hungaryans in Transylvania and they want to be independent to , they even created flags , we have problems in Transylvania . Romania will never recognise Kosovo
3) About Vlachs from Serbia nobody care about them
4) As political relation with countries from Balkan we are very good friends with VUCIC and with Bulgarian prime minister with Hungary we have no ties , with Moldova we fight in words with Moldova president
We have a lot of scandals with Hungaryans from Transylvania they beated Romanians , they not sold at supermarket to Romanians , they broke Romanian flags + they want to create a terorism atentat at national day of Romania
That Hungaryan region is so poor it even not managed to get a highway even if they had always alliance with the party from power
Hungaryans had became someting very very very anoying
to not be confused this Hungaryans with Cluj Napoca a developed city from Romania full of Hungaryans and Gipsy someting more bad than Bucharest as how are the people
Region => Covasna , Harghita they create most big troubles
Dragoljiub you know you are right about one thing here in BALKAN doesn`t matter what nationality we were , we hate each other , we think we are the best , you see we kill each other and West prosper using our work force and our natural resources
You see Dragoljiub what is happening is a fact that in balkan people spread hate ! and turn against each other
but in the case of Serbia the Croats opened the Pandora Box
Again Adrian I totally agree, it's like some curse upon the whole Balkans, sirotinja against sirotinja ! The situation in the Balkans pretty much a curse upon the whole of Europe, after a whole life time of trying to figure it out I am left with out any words to actually describe WHY ! Every time I went over to your country Romania was nice, beautiful land ! I like the rural life, Romania is so nice especially the rural areas ! Hope some day your people like mine find a solution to the Balkan economy, actually I pray for ALL the innocence of the Balkans !!!
As far as Catalonia is concerned even the hypocrites in Brussels have warned the Catalonians they would be making a huge mistake if they left Spain and they would not be recognized by the EU aka they would be out on a limb.
(sj, 31 January 2018 08:32)
Talk about hypocritical, why didn't Brussels warn the the Albanians in KiM of the same mistake? I think you know why!
Once Kosovo becomes fully recognised as independent, Albanians wont even want join the EU. The average Albanian cares more about unification, than joining a group of people who split their lands in to little pieces. Plus EU border security is so weak that Albanians have been living working and travelling all over the EU with out membership for decades and that won’t stop or change in the near future.
Spain has decided to unify Kosovo and Albania, I guess. By the way you think USA and others will allow this? Spain is a small fish when it comes to make decision in the name of EU, plus is has its own problems when it comes to Catalonia. They tried to stop Catalonia and now the same people have won again there. I guess pulling Catalons by their hair at the polling stations didn't work out.
Spain is just scared because it doesn’t want to lose its most richest and prosperous area,that is Catalonia. And if it loses Catalonia there are five other countries ready to come out of Spain. Don’t get all giddy Serbs this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with Spain. Freedom to the Catalonians freedom to the Albanians of Kosova. Power to the people
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:22)
Azir is a disgruntled Serbian who cries for his dead mortal god Tito, real name is Danilo !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 25 January 2018 17:10)
I, too, believe that this one individual is trolling and writing most of the negative comments here. He has been doing this for a number of years. I doubt he is a Tito fan, just a Troll.
He assumes multiple identities including but not limited to Azir, icj1, Avni, Joni, Victory1999, Mildred Green, www, Peter the Rocky Mountains, Count of Kosova, Danilo, and on and on. He often comments several times on a single thread using multiple monikers just to control the dialogue.
He has probably installed programs to mask his IP addresses, including country location. I believe that he does the same immature trolling on the Serbian forum of B92. His insatiable need for attention is rather pathetic and appears to be escalating.
His years of trolling have greatly diminished the credibility and value of any meaningful dialogue on B92.
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
(Ari Gold, 30 January 2018 17:21)
What have the Israelis ever done for the Serbs? If I recall, they were on the Albanian side back in 1999. Judging form your past comments and including this one, you appear to have an endearment for the Israelis, hence your pseudo name, Ari Gold. Is your wife/girlfriend Jewish? Are you a convert? Keep your love for Israel but don't ever say that they are helping the Serbs.
Watcher
the way the EU works is conscious gets agreeded no matter what and spain is all but isolated on this but in saying that not one country in the EU block cares for Kosovo or will block it as Serbia and Kosovo will still be left hanging with the problem they have with each other
@ watcher: pandora’s box or no Pandoras box when people strive for freedom there’s no telling what they can do. The Catalonians will as a whole for freedom I guess is not as strong as the will Albanians of Kosova. Hence my comment of power to the people
Azir is a disgruntled Serbian who cries for his dead mortal god Tito, real name is Danilo !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 25 January 2018 17:10)
Sorry, did not pay attention, was under impression, it's discovery of Roger7.
I silently disagree with many thing you write - but this one did hit the nail.
There is nothing more destructive here than this person.
See Lenard for instance. I completely disagree with the form he writes (same as Roberto) - but what both do write has much truth inside. Just the form is way to harsh and often unjust.
At least Lenard can take some hits without being offended.
Roberto cannot, he is American and Americans aren't used to political debates.
They can't even think about a situation when the husband is "blue" and the wife is "red".
In my case I do not have much sympathy towards Hungarians and my wife hates Russians. We have many kids "somehow" and still together.
About these trolls: if they would be Albanians (Americans, Croatians, what-not) it would be fine. A good example is "Skenderbeu" from Albania who is straight and 100% non-troll. A nice guy from that part of the world, that is.
How about that imbecile who is here not to explain his political views but to endlessly offend? And as it turns out... he is - indeed - not even Albanian, he is most likely the Serb Danilo.
He did not even know, Emona Market does not sell any alcoholic product. What kind of K-Albanian is he than?
U.S(Camp Bondsteel)the largest U.S military base in Europe will soon leave under agreement with Serbia
(Smart Serb, 31 January 2018 06:35)
Bondsteel is a KFOR base, dear, not a US base. As for the UNSC agreeing with Serbia to repeal UNSCR 1244 and order KFOR to withdraw from Kosovo, good luck with that! Feel free to let us know when that happens lol
everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart
(Watcher, 31 January 2018 00:35)
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
I think nobody here gets what I am saying - Kosovo will not be given a green light to EU membership
hell no
but Spain will be given assurances about its own regions
everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart
(Watcher, 31 January 2018 00:35)
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:22)
could you provide some supporting evidence instead of just accusing someone of fantastic thinking.
(iron knee, 31 January 2018 22:44)
Well, according to the most patriotic of Serbs, Russia and China were not OK with Srbija being ripped apart. Do you need more examples?
That's right, Kosovo is not a state and should therefore not enjoy consideration for membership of the EU.
However, for Serbia to be become a full fledged memeber it needs to reconsider the current status of Kosovo, i.o.w. let go and acknowledge its independence.
Since that is not likely to happen any time soon both countries will not be considered for inclusion.
The pressure is ultimately on Serbia's politicians. Will they have the balls to see through and make happen the inevitable.
Once Kosovo becomes fully recognised as independent, Albanians wont even want join the EU. The average Albanian cares more about unification, than joining a group of people who split their lands in to little pieces. Plus EU border security is so weak that Albanians have been living working and travelling all over the EU with out membership for decades and that won’t stop or change in the near future.
Spain has decided to unify Kosovo and Albania, I guess. By the way you think USA and others will allow this? Spain is a small fish when it comes to make decision in the name of EU, plus is has its own problems when it comes to Catalonia. They tried to stop Catalonia and now the same people have won again there. I guess pulling Catalons by their hair at the polling stations didn't work out.
Spain is just scared because it doesn’t want to lose its most richest and prosperous area,that is Catalonia. And if it loses Catalonia there are five other countries ready to come out of Spain. Don’t get all giddy Serbs this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with Spain. Freedom to the Catalonians freedom to the Albanians of Kosova. Power to the people
Why are you guys arguing about this and trying to predict future in the comments? Just wait and see. I'm okay with whatever they decide at the end. It's not that the EU ever improved life quality in any East European country. I was in Bulgaria a few years ago and I can tell you that they're poorer than Serbia. I love Bulgarians, such a lovely people, but the EU didn't do anything for them. And besides that, Serbia would be better off without Kosovo. Kosovo is not just a territory, it's 900,000 Albanians too. I can't imagine them living in Serbia and being a political force, like in FYRM. That would be good for them but very bad for Serbia. No thanks. We have more than we need. More than 2 x lesser population than the Netherlands and 2 x larger territory.
U.S(Camp Bondsteel)the largest U.S military base in Europe will soon leave under agreement with Serbia
(Smart Serb, 31 January 2018 06:35)
Bondsteel is a KFOR base, dear, not a US base. As for the UNSC agreeing with Serbia to repeal UNSCR 1244 and order KFOR to withdraw from Kosovo, good luck with that! Feel free to let us know when that happens lol
everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart
(Watcher, 31 January 2018 00:35)
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
Dont worry Spain will be pushed in line
(Sam, 30 January 2018 14:07)
I wish you had been here in Brussel to hear for yourself what EU thinks about Albanians.
Troublemakers and criminals are the nice words one hear.
Last week in NYC, Thaci made a fool out of himself. He was running around trying to get delegations to speak with him, but no one had neither time nor anything to speak to him about. The Kosovo independent saga is all over.
Serbia is working in silence and time is on their side. Stay tuned.
Watcher
the way the EU works is conscious gets agreeded no matter what and spain is all but isolated on this but in saying that not one country in the EU block cares for Kosovo or will block it as Serbia and Kosovo will still be left hanging with the problem they have with each other
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 13:32)
Actually it is not or ever been a problem the Roma people, we sane Serb's actually love Cigane, they are part of us and we are part of them, they have suffered and died side by side in the Balkans for generations ! We sane Serb's do have a problem with Nazi puppets who have done and are doing terrible things to Eastern Orthodox Christianity in all of Europe in the name of Hitler ! You are such a boring person Adrian, I see you only think about money which unfortunately the majority of the poor and innocent Romanian people will never have much of ! Adrian better you think of God more than you think of money !!! !
Region => Covasna , Harghita they create most big troubles
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 15:49)
Adrian now your talking sense, I gave you a positive on the comment !
Adrian please in the future don't torture us here on B92 with economics and money issues, we don't hate you Balkan Brother we only hate when you bring up the economy to remind us all how grim and sad the money situation is for ALL of the Balkan poor !!!
Dont worry Spain will be pushed in line
(Sam, 30 January 2018 14:07)
@ Sam - or more & more will fall in line with Spain! Trend now is against situations like "kosova"! Countries see more and more internal disturbances and are realizing they are at risk too...you'll see, they will support Spains stance! Not USA, of course...their goal is dividing and then selling weapons to the differing parties...gotta keep the economy rolling, ya' know!
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018
So what, You are a Rom ??
My neighbour is a Rom ,and many Rom live peacefully in Serbia. Many mix marriages of Rom and Serbs in Serbia. I have no problems with Rom people .We have many very beautiful, gorgeous or handsome looking Rom people in Serbia, especially Singers and actors .
I have a problem ,that you do not understand, that it is NOT how much money you make ,it is the cost of living that counts.
What is the point of making double salary like Romania compared to Serbia, But paying triple the cost of living (food,property and etc).
Many Romanians are crossing border into Serbia to buy Serb products .
For people from here the Romanian politic for Balkan
1) Romania is pro America we always were pro Usa and puppets of Usa + the people love Usa
2) We don`t accept Kosovo independence not because we would love Serbia but because we have Hungaryans in Transylvania and they want to be independent to , they even created flags , we have problems in Transylvania . Romania will never recognise Kosovo
3) About Vlachs from Serbia nobody care about them
4) As political relation with countries from Balkan we are very good friends with VUCIC and with Bulgarian prime minister with Hungary we have no ties , with Moldova we fight in words with Moldova president
We have a lot of scandals with Hungaryans from Transylvania they beated Romanians , they not sold at supermarket to Romanians , they broke Romanian flags + they want to create a terorism atentat at national day of Romania
That Hungaryan region is so poor it even not managed to get a highway even if they had always alliance with the party from power
Hungaryans had became someting very very very anoying
to not be confused this Hungaryans with Cluj Napoca a developed city from Romania full of Hungaryans and Gipsy someting more bad than Bucharest as how are the people
Region => Covasna , Harghita they create most big troubles
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
Dragoljiub you know you are right about one thing here in BALKAN doesn`t matter what nationality we were , we hate each other , we think we are the best , you see we kill each other and West prosper using our work force and our natural resources
You see Dragoljiub what is happening is a fact that in balkan people spread hate ! and turn against each other
but in the case of Serbia the Croats opened the Pandora Box
"Spain uses common sense"
You will find that Cyprus,Greece,Romania and even Slovakia will veto any chance of this fake state entering any E.U organisations under the illegal way it has declared itself.
U.S(Camp Bondsteel)the largest U.S military base in Europe will soon leave under agreement with Serbia.
They hate Albanian's but love Global Strategic positions by way of invasion. More bases more world dominance.
Say NO to KOSOVO*👍
@ watcher: pandora’s box or no Pandoras box when people strive for freedom there’s no telling what they can do. The Catalonians will as a whole for freedom I guess is not as strong as the will Albanians of Kosova. Hence my comment of power to the people
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018
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As far as I'm concerned none. Can't speak for the idiots out there who think they are insulting someone by calling them a gypsy. They are only showing their own worth and disgracing themselves.
The pressure is ultimately on Serbia's politicians. Will they have the balls to see through and make happen the inevitable.
(T, 30 January 2018 11:38)
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The only thing that is inevitable is the collapse of EU so why should Serbia pay such a hefty price for a temporary membership in a club which by all accounts has shown how little they think of them?
Spain has decided to unify Kosovo and Albania, I guess. By the way you think USA and others will allow this? Spain is a small fish when it comes to make decision in the name of EU, plus is has its own problems when it comes to Catalonia. They tried to stop Catalonia and now the same people have won again there. I guess pulling Catalons by their hair at the polling stations didn't work out.
(Avni, 30 January 2018 20:18)
Love to see Kosovo trying to unify with Albania. There is more of a chance of Iceland unifying with Albania than that happening. You people are so full of yourselves its not funny.
Its not just Spain but other EU countries are not for Kosovo joining the EU. As far as Catalonia is concerned even the hypocrites in Brussels have warned the Catalonians they would be making a huge mistake if they left Spain and they would not be recognized by the EU aka they would be out on a limb.
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
(Ari Gold, 30 January 2018 17:21)
What have the Israelis ever done for the Serbs? If I recall, they were on the Albanian side back in 1999. Judging form your past comments and including this one, you appear to have an endearment for the Israelis, hence your pseudo name, Ari Gold. Is your wife/girlfriend Jewish? Are you a convert? Keep your love for Israel but don't ever say that they are helping the Serbs.
I am a gipsy from Romania , i would like to ask the people what is the problem if i am gipsy ? why they say gipsy ?
Actualy i am a ROM
(adrian_bucharest, 30 January 2018 13:32)
Adrian, nobody has a problem with you being Roma/Gypsy!!! The problem is your attempt at posting economic issues in this forum that are, at best, confusing and nonsensical. If you must post, let us know what the political tide is like in Romania with respect to the Balkans - that could possibly be a bit interesting. There you go, you asked!!!
Again Adrian I totally agree, it's like some curse upon the whole Balkans, sirotinja against sirotinja ! The situation in the Balkans pretty much a curse upon the whole of Europe, after a whole life time of trying to figure it out I am left with out any words to actually describe WHY ! Every time I went over to your country Romania was nice, beautiful land ! I like the rural life, Romania is so nice especially the rural areas ! Hope some day your people like mine find a solution to the Balkan economy, actually I pray for ALL the innocence of the Balkans !!!
We have more than we need. More than 2 x lesser population than the Netherlands and 2 x larger territory.
(Ivana, 30 January 2018 16:48)
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Maybe to you it's just a piece of land but to most Serbs it's a lot more than that.
Would you expect Israel to give up Jerusalem?
Besides, if Serbia agrees to let Kosovo go, where does it all end? Will Bosnia allow RS to secede and say it's just a piece of land? This is a beginning of a mess which would only add to FYROM having to hand over their territory and also Montenegro.
Do you think Albanians will stop there? There is always Presevo to grab seeing how easy it is to convince people that once you become a majority in any region it's all yours.
Bottom line, you can't reward bad behaviour. It'll only keep getting worse.
Tired of Russians, Greeks, Israelis and now Spainards acting like bigger Serbs than the Serbian government itself. A wake up call is needed in Belgrade.
(Ari Gold, 30 January 2018 17:21)
@ Ari Gold - Typically. I agree with your comment...however, this "unilateral Independence" crap is not only a Serbian problem, but a Global problem. Unfortunatly, everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart, but when it came into their house, they all suddenly "support" Srbija...
Stan, Serbia should man up and admit the crimes. After that are you in a position to speak about good faith mate.
(Illyria, 30 January 2018 17:46)
@ Illyria - If BG did that, would you promise to give back our land you stole?
(Watcher, 30 January 2018 20:46)
Illyria: We have, and all the people that were guilty of any wrongdoing were tried and sentenced. Hence, the reason the Hague Tribunal is done, over, findo.... so, maybe you can list same names for us of people who still need to be prosecuted.
As far as Catalonia is concerned even the hypocrites in Brussels have warned the Catalonians they would be making a huge mistake if they left Spain and they would not be recognized by the EU aka they would be out on a limb.
(sj, 31 January 2018 08:32)
Talk about hypocritical, why didn't Brussels warn the the Albanians in KiM of the same mistake? I think you know why!
Azir is a disgruntled Serbian who cries for his dead mortal god Tito, real name is Danilo !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 25 January 2018 17:10)
I, too, believe that this one individual is trolling and writing most of the negative comments here. He has been doing this for a number of years. I doubt he is a Tito fan, just a Troll.
He assumes multiple identities including but not limited to Azir, icj1, Avni, Joni, Victory1999, Mildred Green, www, Peter the Rocky Mountains, Count of Kosova, Danilo, and on and on. He often comments several times on a single thread using multiple monikers just to control the dialogue.
He has probably installed programs to mask his IP addresses, including country location. I believe that he does the same immature trolling on the Serbian forum of B92. His insatiable need for attention is rather pathetic and appears to be escalating.
His years of trolling have greatly diminished the credibility and value of any meaningful dialogue on B92.
Spain is just scared because it doesn’t want to lose its most richest and prosperous area,that is Catalonia. And if it loses Catalonia there are five other countries ready to come out of Spain. Don’t get all giddy Serbs this has nothing to do with you and everything to do with Spain. Freedom to the Catalonians freedom to the Albanians of Kosova. Power to the people
(C, 31 January 2018 00:33)
@ c - No s**t, Sherlock...THATS what we meant by "opening Pandora's box"! THATS why projects like this abortion called "kosova" cannot be accepted by a lot of countries that are in Srbija's situation...You're starting to smell the coffee!
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:22)
Azir is a disgruntled Serbian who cries for his dead mortal god Tito, real name is Danilo !!!
(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 25 January 2018 17:10)
Sorry, did not pay attention, was under impression, it's discovery of Roger7.
I silently disagree with many thing you write - but this one did hit the nail.
There is nothing more destructive here than this person.
See Lenard for instance. I completely disagree with the form he writes (same as Roberto) - but what both do write has much truth inside. Just the form is way to harsh and often unjust.
At least Lenard can take some hits without being offended.
Roberto cannot, he is American and Americans aren't used to political debates.
They can't even think about a situation when the husband is "blue" and the wife is "red".
In my case I do not have much sympathy towards Hungarians and my wife hates Russians. We have many kids "somehow" and still together.
About these trolls: if they would be Albanians (Americans, Croatians, what-not) it would be fine. A good example is "Skenderbeu" from Albania who is straight and 100% non-troll. A nice guy from that part of the world, that is.
How about that imbecile who is here not to explain his political views but to endlessly offend? And as it turns out... he is - indeed - not even Albanian, he is most likely the Serb Danilo.
He did not even know, Emona Market does not sell any alcoholic product. What kind of K-Albanian is he than?
I think nobody here gets what I am saying - Kosovo will not be given a green light to EU membership
hell no
but Spain will be given assurances about its own regions
everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart
(Watcher, 31 January 2018 00:35)
No, dear, that's not true! Not everybody was OK with Srbija being ripped apart. What you wrote is just a Serb-hating fantasy of yours that you confuse with reality.
(icj1, 31 January 2018 13:22)
could you provide some supporting evidence instead of just accusing someone of fantastic thinking.
(iron knee, 31 January 2018 22:44)
Well, according to the most patriotic of Serbs, Russia and China were not OK with Srbija being ripped apart. Do you need more examples?
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